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A Review Of The Latest Cut Of Rob Zombie’s HILLBILLYWEEN And A Rant On Screenings!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.

There’s a review down below, but this first guy wanted to send a review and was frustrated by one of the quirks of the test screening process. I tried sending a lot of people to this one, and several of them were turned away for various reasons. What was this guy’s story? Check it out...

Harry,

Originally, this was to be my first review submission to your website (of which I have been an avid fan and reader for years), it is now a rant (I am fairly certain it won’t make it on the site, it’s more of a cathartic excresise for me)

Typically when I am asked by a person with a clipboard at the local theater “do you want to see a free movie?”, it is usually some lame Ben Stiller comedy where he is with a girl too pretty for him, but damn it she falls for him anyway.

So you can imagine my surprise and delight when I got a flyer for and advanced screening of “ROB ZOMBIES: HALLOWEEN” I almost peed my big boy pants.

Submitting a review to Aint it Cool News with the possibility of seeing my moniker on your site next to yours, mirajeff, Capone, moriarty…. It was to be one of the crowning achievements in my geek life (to date they are 1. Marrying my wife 2. the birth of my son, 3. meeting Bruce Campbell at Comic-con )

I was 10 when the original Halloween came out. I remember it vividly for 2 reasons- first, my birthday was 3 days after its release (thus making the holiday “my holiday”), and secondly, the local twin cinemas(former Jerry Lewis Twin Cinemas) had the coolest lobby decorations for Halloween. There was even controversy over the working guillotine in the lobby that was secured behind only a velvet rope.

I made it my mission to sneak into see Halloween back then, and succeeded. To date it is still one of my favorite horror movies of all time. I still get chills watching it.

Fast forward to last night in lovely Chatsworth CA , where I was in line with my fellow geek buddy eagerly waiting to get in to see if Mr. Zombie did it up good. I have no hard fast rule when it comes to remakes, other than “make it good, make it your own”.

Everything was perfect up until I heard those 6 little words. “You are not our target demographic’.

The woman who spoke those words to me never asked my age (okay I am 38, but look 30… no really) or bothered to inquire anything about me. She looked me up and down and advised me “You are not our target demographic” It was a swift kick in the man sack

I get that studios want feedback from test audiences and they want a diversity of people, but there were people visibly in their 40’s getting in (the flyer was for 17-34 year olds), as well as a group of teenage girls who, by the way, actually stated in the presence of Movie Woman “God, I don’t even like horror films” “I probably won’t be able to even look at the screen” “Why are we even seeing this?”. They made all of these statements right in front of Movie Woman and were still given a wristband and let into the movie. I equate that to a record company calling me for my opinion on a Country album- I don’t listen to it, don’t own any country albums why would you give a shit what I think.

I inquired with Movie Woman exactly how I am not their target audience; her reply was “We need more girls in the theater”. At the time she was saying this, there were about 200 people still waiting to get in, and at best 25 were female.

Basically what it came down to is Movie Woman had a clipboard and literally was just “checking the boxes” when it came to letting people in. You would think for any film, you might want a little more information on your test audience than just a visual once over. I can only imagine the feedback the teen girls were able to provide Movie Woman- “Um .. like it was totally, like, scary and stuff… I dunno really… I like had my face in my hands the whole time… didn’t they like make this movie before…. I would have totally had Lindsey lohan play the babysitter, and instead of killing people, maybe she could have like given Mikey a makeover like she got in Mean Girls and like they could be roommates and have cool adventures”

My point is, I have worked for companies where it is just the “check the box” attitude and you almost never get the quality results you require. Studios spend millions to make movies; shouldn’t they have a better system for “target audiences” than just literally looking at someone? Isn’t this the same system that said “Ace Ventura: Pet Detective” sucked (I’m sure you can list more movies they’ve missed on than I can, that was the biggie that came to mind)

I can’t imagine Rob Zombie typing away at this screenplay and wondering if teenage girls will dig it. He is gunning for the fences on this one and trying to make the kind of movie that guys like me will watch and say “fuck yeah” when all is said and done. Your site is my source for reviews when it comes to movies. I may not agree 100% of the time, but your sites batting average is better than most. I am the guy in the office and with my friends who people look to for advice on movies like this.

But none of that matters. It’s 2007 and the best system the have to cull a “target audience” is “check the box”, which is why studios will continue to put out half ass movies and not be overly concerned with quality.

Pixar is the only studio that comes to mind that actually seems to put quality first. They don’t put it ahead of profits, because they know that if they put out the quality the profits will come. The rest seem to just want to fling shit at the walls and see what sticks.

Well, I am about out of steam… not that you will use this, but I do feel a bit better and bit less bitter…

You can call me irrelevant elephant

Awwww... you’re not irrelevant. You’re just old.

As am I. It’s weird realizing that you’re no longer part of the “most desirable demo,” isn’t it?

Here’s the review, and it seems to be an even-handed, fiar look at the film as it stands right now:

Moriarty,

I saw Rob Zombie's Halloween last night at a screening in Chatsworth, Ca. and wanted to share my thoughts before it gets cut down to an R rating.

(Light Spoilers Ahead)

It is impossible to judge this film on it's own, as I'm sure Zombie knows, so I won't try. The film is basically the same as the previous NY screening (as described), with the exception of no rape scene. I'm not sure what said scene entailed, but it must have disturbed enough people that it was removed. The successful points of the film inevitably mirror the failings: Yes, the casting of the leads is great (Malcolm McDowell, Tyler Mane, Scout Taylor-Compton, etc.), however, the film is cameo HEAVY! Beyond Zombie's usual suspects, he has cast so many horror/sci-fi icons and just film personalities, that it takes you out of the story each time one pops up. I'm not spoiling here... it's on IMDB... two words: Clint Howard.

The film is very erratic in it's pacing. Where the best moments are the quiet, character-developing scenes between Michael and Dr. Loomis or Michael and Ismael Cruz(Danny Trejo), which add pathos to Michael and are actually kind of sad, the scenes involving Michael's family are over the top and continue to explore Zombie's fascination with "Redneckdom". The good characters just aren't given breathing space, so when it happens, you just don't care that all three teen sex scenes end in them being ripped to shreds. There is virtually no suspense or atmosphere in the film. As one of the previous reviewers pointed out: you ALWAYS know where Michael is and what he is about to do. On the other hand the film is beautifully shot, with some really fresh angles and lighting.

Lastly, the violence is brutal and unrelenting. Michael is in no way subtle in his killing. I'm a grown man, and even I was getting overwhelmed by the carnage. I have to go back to the original for a moment. One of the great things about the 1978 film(forgetting the sequels a moment), is that the killings (apart from the dead guy in the field) were all isolated to the teens in the story. This not only launched a genre, but it also made the goings on seem like a dream world within the town of Haddonfield. Where this monster is walking around doing these horrific things, but only this small group is affected by it. That is not the case here where everyone in Michael's general vicinity gets murdered in a real "action-packed" way(I don't know if this showing included the newly-shot scenes).

Bottom line, the film will make money because it's coming out at the end of summer, though opening in October would have helped the lack of atmosphere. Rob Zombie has proven that he can be a great filmmaker, but as it was pointed out in a previous story, he should have reinvented the genre, rather than unnecessarily reinventing a classic.

Bandit Darville

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Rob Zombie will never be a great filmmaker
by MontyPigeon
Jul 13th, 2007
02:37:13 PM
2nd?
by SteffanLongdon
Jul 13th, 2007
02:38:25 PM
Like Totally Awesome
by lost.rules
Jul 13th, 2007
02:40:22 PM
Who gives a fuck about reviews?
by SteffanLongdon
Jul 13th, 2007
02:41:15 PM
Like, Ya know
by lost.rules
Jul 13th, 2007
02:41:34 PM
no first
by bl80
Jul 13th, 2007
02:43:01 PM
First Bitches!!!
by Vaders Catheter
Jul 13th, 2007
02:45:08 PM
Guess not...
by Vaders Catheter
Jul 13th, 2007
02:46:01 PM
I second Devil's Rejects as a fucking great movie
by bongo123
Jul 13th, 2007
02:48:34 PM
Fresh Angles AND Lighting
by EdRyder
Jul 13th, 2007
02:48:50 PM
Irrelevant elephant.
by Gilkuliehe
Jul 13th, 2007
02:48:55 PM
AnimalStructure
by Frijole
Jul 13th, 2007
02:52:33 PM
You must be THIS TALL to watch this movie, sorry.
by Mike_D
Jul 13th, 2007
02:57:25 PM
Halloween 2: Electric Boogaloo
by gottaeat
Jul 13th, 2007
03:02:01 PM
oops
by gottaeat
Jul 13th, 2007
03:04:25 PM
Halloween 3: Plant Boogaloo
by Stuntcock Mike
Jul 13th, 2007
03:08:36 PM
Sorry old man
by dramirezs23
Jul 13th, 2007
03:10:54 PM
WTF is up with MK3 Mori??
by Mike_D
Jul 13th, 2007
03:20:04 PM
Danielle Harris...
by TheRealSeveren
Jul 13th, 2007
03:21:11 PM
What kinda ASS...
by Bedroom Acrobat
Jul 13th, 2007
03:29:52 PM
Devil´s Rejects was a good nihilistic thriller
by CuervoJones
Jul 13th, 2007
03:54:19 PM
Stop tripping over yourselves to apologize for "Rooobb"
by reflecto
Jul 13th, 2007
03:55:21 PM
Anyway Spielberg is the best director alive
by CuervoJones
Jul 13th, 2007
03:59:33 PM
I eagerly await Rob's "unique reimagining" of Suspiria
by reflecto
Jul 13th, 2007
04:01:57 PM
Ive said all along that all the cameos were fuckin dumb
by BitterMan23
Jul 13th, 2007
04:27:30 PM
What COULD have been
by TheBladehelm
Jul 13th, 2007
04:31:25 PM
Swim Fan > Halloween Remake
by TheBloop
Jul 13th, 2007
04:51:43 PM
Excresise = Shitting your pants while working out?
by Cletus Van Damme
Jul 13th, 2007
04:52:37 PM
That kind of stuff happens all the time.
by Psyclops
Jul 13th, 2007
05:42:26 PM
bullshit, useless, garbage,
by El Borak
Jul 13th, 2007
05:55:05 PM
DIMENSION...read this
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Jul 13th, 2007
06:08:05 PM
Lame.
by Nivek666
Jul 13th, 2007
06:10:35 PM
When has "zombie" proven he can be a great filmmaker?
by JackPumpkinhead
Jul 13th, 2007
06:14:15 PM
When in doubt bring up Busta Rhymes
by reflecto
Jul 13th, 2007
06:18:04 PM
btw
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Jul 13th, 2007
06:22:18 PM
(sigh)...I dont even know if I can...
by RockLobster800
Jul 13th, 2007
06:25:32 PM
KEEP MUSICIANS AWAY FROM HALLOWEEN
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Jul 13th, 2007
06:27:50 PM
"Hit" just like the dreadful Freddy vs. Jason
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 13th, 2007
06:47:25 PM
"The series sucks anyway" is not a defense.
by reflecto
Jul 13th, 2007
07:03:56 PM
Reflecto -- it's called opinion.
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 13th, 2007
07:08:39 PM
It's not a question of living in the past
by reflecto
Jul 13th, 2007
07:15:35 PM
These horror remakes are starting to get on my nerves.
by rbatty024
Jul 13th, 2007
07:38:51 PM
rant response
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 13th, 2007
07:48:12 PM
Hack Zombie...
by The White Morgan Freeman
Jul 13th, 2007
07:48:14 PM
For monster2Bpitied....
by Bandit Darville
Jul 13th, 2007
07:59:07 PM
s0nicdeathmonkey- about "Tarantino" directing it
by Mike_D
Jul 13th, 2007
08:05:27 PM
Devils Rejects was a wanna be snuff movie.
by JD Lux
Jul 13th, 2007
08:20:39 PM
PS......
by JD Lux
Jul 13th, 2007
08:25:45 PM
I just wanna know what they changed to the end?
by The Dum Guy
Jul 13th, 2007
08:27:25 PM
JD Lux-yeah...
by RockLobster800
Jul 13th, 2007
08:41:24 PM
Last House on the Left
by MrQuick
Jul 13th, 2007
08:54:45 PM
I don't mind the gore so long as they mix it up.
by rbatty024
Jul 13th, 2007
09:10:00 PM
They already remade "Last House..."
by CarmillaVonDoom
Jul 13th, 2007
09:55:25 PM
Hrm... How about Pink Flamingos then
by MrQuick
Jul 13th, 2007
10:21:51 PM
oh well,
by Lornsorrow
Jul 13th, 2007
11:30:14 PM
DEMON DAVE + INSANE CLOWN POSSE = ROB ZOMBIE, FILMMAKER
by Daddylonghead
Jul 13th, 2007
11:51:26 PM
My first job was at Jerry Lewis Twin Cinemas
by Mace Tofu
Jul 13th, 2007
11:53:46 PM
Zombie's fake trailer for Grindhouse said it all...
by Daddylonghead
Jul 13th, 2007
11:57:22 PM
Last House on the Left is already being remade
by TVguy4566
Jul 13th, 2007
11:59:34 PM
inelegant elephant, the fact you can read and write
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
12:03:16 AM
I still think Zombie should have remade Friday the 13th
by TVguy4566
Jul 14th, 2007
12:06:46 AM
Anyone else see the trailer for "Death Sentence"?
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
12:12:54 AM
"reflecto," you're a Genius
by HostileOrganismX
Jul 14th, 2007
03:00:13 AM
Daddylonghead
by The Dum Guy
Jul 14th, 2007
03:11:23 AM
i loved devil's rejects; i do not love rob zombie
by blonde redhead
Jul 14th, 2007
03:43:15 AM
Lame-ass excuses for this POS:
by spud mcspud
Jul 14th, 2007
04:53:01 AM
Typo city
by spud mcspud
Jul 14th, 2007
04:55:31 AM
If Rob Zombie is such a rebel...
by spud mcspud
Jul 14th, 2007
04:57:26 AM
Movie Woman
by jeffrex007
Jul 14th, 2007
06:23:50 AM
Bleeding heart Michael Myers
by Jakes Nel
Jul 14th, 2007
07:46:11 AM
Comparing ROb Zombie to Speilberg
by LORDRANDO
Jul 14th, 2007
08:33:01 AM
I MEANT SPIELBERG
by LORDRANDO
Jul 14th, 2007
08:33:36 AM
The "CHAOS" hilarity...
by SalvatoreGravano
Jul 14th, 2007
08:44:15 AM
AnimalStructure
by ScamsAndFlams
Jul 14th, 2007
08:51:07 AM
Zombie is a phoney ass goth..
by quantize
Jul 14th, 2007
09:31:21 AM
I'm too old for your movie? Well, so's my cash then.
by Uncapie
Jul 14th, 2007
09:58:09 AM
John Carpenter Interview
by R H S C
Jul 14th, 2007
11:23:30 AM
John Carpenter Interview
by R H S C
Jul 14th, 2007
11:32:03 AM
Well said jd lux and others....
by liljuniorbrown
Jul 14th, 2007
11:35:48 AM
"DEVILS' REJECTS" SUCKED, ZOMBIE SUCKS...
by thegreatwhatzit
Jul 14th, 2007
11:41:20 AM
3 words. Fuck. This. Film.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Jul 14th, 2007
11:53:22 AM
PLANT
by Maverickmcclane
Jul 14th, 2007
12:20:26 PM
Fuck
by Maverickmcclane
Jul 14th, 2007
12:28:18 PM
What Does It All Mean....
by Maegnarval
Jul 14th, 2007
12:29:41 PM
Zombie's an ass. Period.
by monsterforge
Jul 14th, 2007
12:32:50 PM
Target Demographic rant: you're missing the point
by The Inspector
Jul 14th, 2007
12:48:17 PM
maybe if you ignore Halloween in TBs...
by RockLobster800
Jul 14th, 2007
01:00:23 PM
The Dum Guy
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
01:00:58 PM
If there was a three-hour movie
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
01:14:10 PM
If there was a three-hour movie
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
01:14:11 PM
I love how Rob claimed the script was fake
by BitterMan23
Jul 14th, 2007
01:58:24 PM
Devil's Rejects was nothing special, sorry
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
02:05:02 PM
And yes - sorry - I do think Roth is better than him
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
02:19:18 PM
boo hoo
by El Borak
Jul 14th, 2007
02:22:20 PM
yeah I don't know why Zombie TBs always turn into
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
02:34:51 PM
Roth is 10 times better a filmmaker than zombie
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
02:35:57 PM
Putting aside the torture or the humor that some hate
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
02:41:37 PM
zombie knows the difference between pathos & sympathy?
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
04:59:28 PM
And no, he's not "some adverts/MTV hip hop music video
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
05:07:23 PM
It doesn't matter how hard he worked if it still sucks
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
05:25:07 PM
OK, Memories-of Murder, who made you the big decision
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
06:11:01 PM
If I'm greatful for anything zombie it's...
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
06:13:20 PM
Memories-of-Murder is a pretty strange screen name
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
06:19:28 PM
If "zombie" did the Hitcher remake...
by JackPumpkinhead
Jul 14th, 2007
06:30:35 PM
By the way, can someone elaborate on "the rape scene"?
by JackPumpkinhead
Jul 14th, 2007
06:34:05 PM
Rob Zombie's movies ARE the same as the TCM remake
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
06:39:12 PM
Go back and look at what I said about where MTV horror
by reflecto
Jul 14th, 2007
06:49:59 PM
You tell us, Memories...
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 14th, 2007
07:09:13 PM
Zombie's a millionaire already...
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 14th, 2007
07:18:40 PM
Roth + Zombie = 0
by thegreatwhatzit
Jul 14th, 2007
07:25:49 PM
Daddylonghead::: on Roth..
by The Dum Guy
Jul 14th, 2007
07:34:33 PM
Yes "Saw" does suck...
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 14th, 2007
07:35:38 PM
Is Memories-Of-Murder really Rob Zombie himself?
by TVguy4566
Jul 14th, 2007
07:42:12 PM
I disagree with Carpenter's quotes a bit
by TVguy4566
Jul 14th, 2007
07:50:42 PM
SoylentMean
by TVguy4566
Jul 14th, 2007
08:06:53 PM
But the Firefly Family are in Halloween
by TVguy4566
Jul 14th, 2007
08:30:36 PM
I thought it was common knowledge...
by RockLobster800
Jul 14th, 2007
08:52:22 PM
wow...that was a messed up message...
by RockLobster800
Jul 14th, 2007
08:59:00 PM
I agree TV Guy! About Scream...
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 14th, 2007
09:04:18 PM
I've always wondered...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 14th, 2007
09:27:56 PM
Proof that Memories-of-Murder is Rob Zombie:
by Daddylonghead
Jul 14th, 2007
09:50:20 PM
Dum Guy -- That already happened in Halloween 5..
by SpongeBobs Pina Colada
Jul 14th, 2007
09:54:10 PM
Rape scenes
by Daddylonghead
Jul 15th, 2007
12:24:58 AM
Maybe people can't imagine women having consensual sex
by Daddylonghead
Jul 15th, 2007
12:33:24 AM
well
by Daddylonghead
Jul 15th, 2007
12:34:09 AM
Devil's Rejects on the level of the original Hills??
by reflecto
Jul 15th, 2007
02:40:37 AM
Daddylonghead:: on rape...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
03:17:21 AM
The Inspector, I see your point on the target demo, but
by Uncapie
Jul 15th, 2007
03:17:53 AM
Uncapie...um, yeah...
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
03:46:58 AM
HALLOWE'EN will be great, 'cos Rob Zombie loves horror!
by spud mcspud
Jul 15th, 2007
06:15:11 AM
Alex Proyas...
by spud mcspud
Jul 15th, 2007
06:18:01 AM
AnimalStructure + RZ
by MatDGZ
Jul 15th, 2007
06:21:50 AM
What the hell was that????
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 15th, 2007
06:34:10 AM
Being 42
by Virdon
Jul 15th, 2007
07:15:05 AM
I'll see a Zombie film before a Spielberg film
by Drunken Rage
Jul 15th, 2007
07:20:29 AM
Memories of Murder
by R H S C
Jul 15th, 2007
08:56:59 AM
One other thing:
by R H S C
Jul 15th, 2007
08:58:30 AM
Different ISN'T always better...
by R H S C
Jul 15th, 2007
09:01:26 AM
Why would the studio's choices be only
by TVguy4566
Jul 15th, 2007
09:24:29 AM
By the way
by TVguy4566
Jul 15th, 2007
09:31:05 AM
Memories of Zombie Auteur John Carpenter
by R H S C
Jul 15th, 2007
09:33:48 AM
How about:
by R H S C
Jul 15th, 2007
09:38:40 AM
I agree Dum Guy, but his stand up is great.
by Uncapie
Jul 15th, 2007
10:47:19 AM
Bank account don't mean alot.... at least in some ways.
by The Dum Guy
Jul 15th, 2007
11:09:55 AM
Rob Zombie loves horror, he just can't make any
by reflecto
Jul 15th, 2007
01:05:13 PM
Uncapie: yes and no
by The Inspector
Jul 15th, 2007
02:08:29 PM
Thank you, The Inspector for the 411. Also, Dum Guy
by Uncapie
Jul 15th, 2007
02:21:16 PM
devils reject is fucking great
by slappy jones
Jul 15th, 2007
04:10:12 PM
Memories of Murder? You should change your name to
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 15th, 2007
04:14:25 PM
Rob should have remake something else!
by Violator90
Jul 15th, 2007
05:11:23 PM
"Mammaries and Gerber," lol.
by Daddylonghead
Jul 15th, 2007
06:14:12 PM
Mammaries and Gerber refers to your constant
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 16th, 2007
02:34:55 PM
wow....
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 16th, 2007
03:31:22 PM
not going to lie...
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 16th, 2007
05:16:29 PM
MoM
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 16th, 2007
06:13:06 PM
Mammaries & Gerber see how
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 16th, 2007
07:51:38 PM
I was beginning to think he really was Rob
by reflecto
Jul 16th, 2007
08:12:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he WAS zombie...
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 16th, 2007
08:33:10 PM
inspector- i get what a screening is...
by irrelevntelefant
Jul 16th, 2007
09:48:58 PM
I'm excited about MoM's deteriorating spelling
by Daddylonghead
Jul 17th, 2007
07:30:34 AM
I haven't seen TRANSFORMERS either!
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 17th, 2007
09:00:02 AM
Alas, I have paid and sat through a Michael Bay film.
by Daddylonghead
Jul 17th, 2007
06:08:43 PM
Mammaries and Gerber, the man ass lover returns!
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 18th, 2007
09:16:18 AM
TITS-HATTER-IN-THE-CLOSET ftw
by reflecto
Jul 19th, 2007
05:25:28 AM
I make custom breast-wear!
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 19th, 2007
01:05:47 PM
America wonders: what is Tits-Hatter In the Closet?
by Daddylonghead
Jul 19th, 2007
04:52:33 PM
LAST!
by TORTURE PWN1
Jul 24th, 2007
11:43:01 PM

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