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Angel 3.17 FAQ

What’s it called?

“Forgiving.”

Who’s responsible?

Teleplay is credited to Jeffrey Bell (“Billy,” “Quickening”).

What does TV Guide say?

“The series returns after a six-week hiatus, and the search is on for Angel's baby boy. In the last episode, Angel (David Boreanaz) watched helplessly as his son fell victim to an interdimensional kidnapping. The only way to retrieve Connor involves materializing the formless SahJahn (Jack Conley), a demon partial to mass destruction, and making use of his powers. Meanwhile, Gunn and Fred concentrate on finding Wesley, hoping he can explain why he facilitated the abduction. But it won't be easy getting an answer from Wesley: Justine's attempt on his life has left him lying motionless in a park.”

Motionless? In a park?

Very motionless. With his eyes wide open. Wes doesn’t have any lines this week.

What is TV Guide not telling us?

SahJahn has a fourth-act revelation that changes everything. Everything.

The big news?

Wolfram and Hart maintain something called the White Room. Angel gets to visit it. It was perhaps my favorite part of this episode.

Is Holtz really gone?

Yep. He and Connor both spend the episode way offscreen.

Does Cordy come back?

Nope. For a second, I thought I saw her with an urn. But it was just Justine the Vampire Slayer.

Any sign of Fantastico?

The no-crossover rule continues to be adhered to.

What’s great?

The episode begins in chaos and ends in chaos, and there is much interesting material to contend with in between. The storytelling is propulsive and assured, something we don’t always get with “Angel” following Big Events. The bad guys - Sahjahn (who has the best lines this week), the White Room Entity, Lilah and Justine - are sooooo much more interesting than the good guys, and they’re all used to good effect here. And to “happy Angel” I say good riddance: the show’s title character is perhaps 65 times more entertaining in angst mode. His dealings tonight with Linwood Murrow, division president, special projects, underscore this pretty dramatically.

What’s not so great?

Though it's certainly shocking, I’m not sure if the very last scene makes a lot of sense.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?

“I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you! You’re a dead man! Dead! Dead!

Herc’s rating for “Angel” 3.17?

***1/2

The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:

  • ***** better than we deserve
  • **** better than most motion pictures
  • *** actually worth your valuable time
  • ** as horrible as most stuff on TV
  • * makes you quietly pray for bulletins

I am – Hercules!!





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about friggin time!
by cozmicmonkeychow
Apr 15th, 2002
05:08:30 AM
at long last ANGEL is back!!!
by 28
Apr 15th, 2002
06:00:44 AM
Appreciate WB more for being stupid.
by FNORDknt
Apr 15th, 2002
06:21:40 AM
Also seen it
by ginta1971
Apr 15th, 2002
06:25:57 AM
Oh Hell Yeah
by Cardiff Giant
Apr 15th, 2002
07:42:07 AM
Yes damn it YES!
by Led Gopher
Apr 15th, 2002
08:48:21 AM
WE NEED CHARISMA BACK NOW!!!!
by holidill
Apr 15th, 2002
08:51:05 AM
So close but...
by odietamo
Apr 15th, 2002
08:57:00 AM
We're still mentioning Kitty Fantastico !?
by Chilli Kramer
Apr 15th, 2002
09:05:18 AM
The real deal on Charisma Carpenter?
by thewicked
Apr 15th, 2002
09:48:07 AM
Yeehawww
by sunflr
Apr 15th, 2002
09:57:01 AM
Maybe I'm missing something here....
by Mayf78
Apr 15th, 2002
09:57:43 AM
I've got the broad swords! (and hi everybody!)
by Thalya
Apr 15th, 2002
10:06:56 AM
Lemmy
by Mayf78
Apr 15th, 2002
10:10:38 AM
Charisma
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Apr 15th, 2002
10:53:40 AM
Lullaby
by JT Styler
Apr 15th, 2002
11:21:28 AM
Lullaby
by JT Styler
Apr 15th, 2002
11:28:40 AM
Everyone knows, but here's a spoiler...
by Electric_Monk
Apr 15th, 2002
11:51:01 AM
Wolfram & Hart
by DyslexicHeart
Apr 15th, 2002
11:52:23 AM
Angel as a brooder
by Kort Villikon
Apr 15th, 2002
12:07:38 PM
Welcome Back!!!!
by Smugbug
Apr 15th, 2002
12:51:11 PM
the very last scene
by punto
Apr 15th, 2002
12:53:09 PM
"Stop calling me pastries!"
by Ruethifer
Apr 15th, 2002
01:24:52 PM
oops, sorry - that's AMY Acker
by Ruethifer
Apr 15th, 2002
01:26:27 PM
thewicked....
by thewoodpecker
Apr 15th, 2002
02:03:21 PM
Oh man, I hope Sajahn's revelation isn't what I think it
by Drath
Apr 15th, 2002
02:44:29 PM
to Chilli Kramer:
by 93curr
Apr 15th, 2002
03:41:37 PM
The big revelation - SahJahn: Angel, I AM YOUR FATHER. Angel:
by The Human Bullet
Apr 15th, 2002
04:08:07 PM
Actually 93curr, I have been looking into it, and now Chilli K p
by Chilli Kramer
Apr 15th, 2002
04:20:03 PM
Lilah
by SallyHousecoat
Apr 15th, 2002
05:45:07 PM
Hey Odietamo
by ArchDiver
Apr 15th, 2002
08:47:39 PM
Holiday Inn sucks...
by BurlIvesLeftNut
Apr 15th, 2002
09:15:53 PM
Wow. Of course Herc gives an Angel ep. a rating about a point le
by IMAFREAKINGTROLL
Apr 15th, 2002
10:01:30 PM
Last Scene was the best part
by joshuaonenine
Apr 15th, 2002
10:01:45 PM
Angel's been watching too many mafia movies..
by Splifflord
Apr 15th, 2002
10:02:01 PM
OMG It's insanity!!!!
by Sweet_jcs
Apr 15th, 2002
10:05:17 PM
I'm confused
by AaronHayden
Apr 15th, 2002
10:11:18 PM
Good Ep
by The Continental
Apr 15th, 2002
10:12:59 PM
Again I say.. Good Lord, Holy Shit!
by Thalya
Apr 15th, 2002
10:14:32 PM
AHHHHHHHH! CURSE YOU FATE! CURSE BAD JUDGEMENT! WES LIVES!
by kojiro
Apr 15th, 2002
10:19:46 PM
Where Buffy is lacking...
by SecretLotusGem
Apr 15th, 2002
10:26:12 PM
I flitted . . . in a manly way
by jocutus
Apr 15th, 2002
10:33:11 PM
Good evening, Troikateers!
by BurninBullwinkle
Apr 15th, 2002
10:42:03 PM
Burnin' Questions?
by BurninBullwinkle
Apr 15th, 2002
10:50:48 PM
Try all 11 delicious flavors of LEAN POCKETS
by kojiro
Apr 15th, 2002
11:19:24 PM
Angst-ridden Angel
by Goody2shoes
Apr 15th, 2002
11:28:58 PM
X-Ray goofs, etc.
by Miriam
Apr 15th, 2002
11:35:17 PM
"I'll wait in this place were the sun never shines"
by MGTHEDJ
Apr 15th, 2002
11:41:24 PM
I like Fred but...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Apr 16th, 2002
12:01:41 AM
The Angelus in Angel
by Harri310
Apr 16th, 2002
12:07:20 AM
Awesome Episode
by Scud
Apr 16th, 2002
12:19:04 AM
The White Room...
by RenoNevada2000
Apr 16th, 2002
12:35:43 AM
How the ending didn't make sense
by DarkZero
Apr 16th, 2002
01:02:06 AM
Um...why should we believe Sahjhan?
by Thalya
Apr 16th, 2002
01:04:46 AM
ANGEL FUCKIN RULES BABY!!!
by FromHell
Apr 16th, 2002
01:06:03 AM
Grr.. Bad typo, bad!
by Thalya
Apr 16th, 2002
01:12:42 AM
by the way Herc has no idea...
by FromHell
Apr 16th, 2002
01:15:04 AM
And anyone who worries about little details like pillows and X-r
by FromHell
Apr 16th, 2002
01:20:53 AM
Wesley's charmed life.
by Not Gellar's Ass
Apr 16th, 2002
01:23:48 AM
It's OK Thalya
by MGTHEDJ
Apr 16th, 2002
02:00:35 AM
Okay, one more try.....
by AaronHayden
Apr 16th, 2002
02:12:05 AM
AaronHayden, the what the Burger Loa said has already come to pa
by IMAFREAKINGTROLL
Apr 16th, 2002
02:17:46 AM
abilities of Connor?? and Gunn??
by sanjiyan
Apr 16th, 2002
02:22:21 AM
OK, it's official: Angel is 1000 times better than Buffy.
by Sabrina
Apr 16th, 2002
02:27:03 AM
You Haven't Heard The Last Of Me Yet, Bastards!
by KittyFantastico
Apr 16th, 2002
02:33:01 AM
Yes It Is Official: Angel ( )wns Buffy!!!
by BLADE
Apr 16th, 2002
02:43:22 AM
Connor/Sahjon
by King Mob300
Apr 16th, 2002
02:47:53 AM
So, The Gang's All Here....
by EricAlan69
Apr 16th, 2002
02:49:17 AM
P.S......Cordy
by BLADE
Apr 16th, 2002
02:50:01 AM
The end scene was awesome
by 2GOLD
Apr 16th, 2002
02:51:59 AM
Aah, the Troika is back in action!
by Mithril
Apr 16th, 2002
02:52:41 AM
Greek tragedy
by Mithril
Apr 16th, 2002
03:01:01 AM
Charisma Carpenter aka CORDY
by Sinjz
Apr 16th, 2002
03:02:49 AM
Angel going medieval
by Wicked Willow
Apr 16th, 2002
08:49:15 AM
Final Scene, Dramatic Tension and a Pillow....
by HotOne
Apr 16th, 2002
09:50:27 AM
White Room
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 16th, 2002
10:01:05 AM
Bliss?
by Nada Lives
Apr 16th, 2002
10:01:54 AM
White Room
by ArchDiver
Apr 16th, 2002
10:36:13 AM
"Kill her. That's enough for now."
by kojiro
Apr 16th, 2002
10:38:38 AM
Wow! Great ep! But..."sired"?
by Drath
Apr 16th, 2002
10:58:59 AM
The Good Rev Skarekroe
by EricAlan69
Apr 16th, 2002
11:11:09 AM
"...DO I look like I need more skin problems?" - Just ONE great
by Smugbug
Apr 16th, 2002
12:08:52 PM
Stuff
by Thalya
Apr 16th, 2002
01:08:00 PM
The White (Econo) Lodge
by Condorcet
Apr 16th, 2002
02:01:43 PM
Whoooodoggy!!!
by InTheBackRow
Apr 16th, 2002
02:08:53 PM
A think the final scene was Angel acting
by Domi'sInnerChild
Apr 16th, 2002
03:59:14 PM
Domi'sInnerChild:
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Apr 16th, 2002
05:49:22 PM
Angel: The first Geek Tragedy
by BurninBullwinkle
Apr 16th, 2002
06:36:05 PM
Prof Pop....
by Sinjz
Apr 16th, 2002
06:38:55 PM
Greek tragedy
by ArchDiver
Apr 16th, 2002
07:23:32 PM
Ok the Angel-Wes ending
by 2GOLD
Apr 16th, 2002
10:00:38 PM
Geek Tragedy, I love it!
by Thalya
Apr 16th, 2002
10:14:30 PM
"I am from Greece! We invented democracy!"
by BurninBullwinkle
Apr 16th, 2002
10:55:46 PM
Perfect fucking Angel Rating System!
by AngelKicksASS
Apr 16th, 2002
11:18:45 PM
Spike is not possible
by sejin
Apr 16th, 2002
11:57:14 PM
That's some there good TV!
by Shanks 'R' Us
Apr 17th, 2002
05:13:45 AM
smothering vs sucking
by nator
Apr 17th, 2002
12:41:26 PM
To Manuwalde
by Mistah Kurtz
Apr 17th, 2002
09:43:26 PM
Spike et al.
by Mithril
Apr 18th, 2002
05:24:12 AM
oops...
by Mithril
Apr 18th, 2002
05:25:39 AM
I'm still trying to determine of BurninBullwinkle is a race-
by cthulhu4u
Apr 19th, 2002
01:48:00 PM

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