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Singer/Actress Aaliyah Killed In Plane Crash
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
It's hard enough to write a piece like this when you have a whole career to look back on and discuss, but what do you say when someone was only 22 years old, when they were just getting started?
It's been widely reported now that R&B performer Aaliyah, who appeared in ROMEO MUST DIE as well as the upcoming QUEEN OF THE DAMNED, was killed Saturday when a small plane crashed just after takeoff in the Bahamas. Seven others were also killed in the crash, and one person survived with serious injuries.
Aaliyah was scheduled to star in THE MATRIX RELOADED as Zee, one of the major new characters. It's a genuine tragedy that just as she was starting to gain real momentum as an entertainer, her life has been cut short, and the sympathy of the full AICN staff goes out to her friends and family tonight.
"Moriarty" out.
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So young, so beautiful, so much talent... all gone...
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This is just awful news. I did not know a lot about this actress, but enough to know I admired her work, and to see it cut so short, so soon, is just an awful tragedy. Folks, life is dreadfully short, please enjoy your life to the fullest.
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It's always tragic to hear about news like this. She had so much to give.
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on another note, much like the post I put on BtVS before, how would this affect the Queen of the Damned Production?
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This is such a tragedy. She was so gifted. Damn.
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That's the first thing I thought of when I read this. Him and Stevie Ray Vaughan and who knows how many others. When will people learn--pop stars and small planes DO NOT MIX. Meanwhile, I bet Saddam Hussein lives to be 100. Shit. . .
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Seriously though, this kind of thing is always such a huge shock. We can only hope that THE MATRIX: RELOADED will serve as a testament to a still-blossoming young talent.
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I DO NOT WHAT MORE TO SAY THIS IS A VERY SAD DAY
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Aug 26, 2001 2:50:43 AM CDT
I AM DEVESTATED SHE WAS SO BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED 22 I CANT BELI
by jon-e-blaze
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Aug 26, 2001 3:11:15 AM CDT
I just read about this a thread about a matrix reloaded prequal
by banziboy
It was just wierd, and while I was reading it on my computer was but none other than FreeBird by LYNARD SKYNARD , spooky hu?
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Her family needs our thoughts and prayers right now. I lost my 21 year old brother to a car accident a few years ago. Take it from me, nothing will take the pain and loss away from her family. Nothing. Tragic indeed. This is terrible.
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I can't beleive it! I've admired her since '95 when I got her first album. Her voice was beautiful. She was beautiful.
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At first when i read this i was speechless. This couldn't be true. Sadly it is. This is a great loss and its so sad. Nothing but respect to the people she leaves behind and Much, MUCH respect to Aaliyah. She will be missed.
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While I always liked her music, I seriously thought she was going to ruin Romeo Must Die, being a singer first and all. Well, the movie did suck, even on Li's part, but I did leave the theatre saying she was the best part in the movie, I only hope Queen of the Damned-and if she filmed her Matrix scenes- are a fitting testimony.
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I wasn't a fan of hers, not her film(s) nor her music. But, she was somehow .. different. So she will be missed. tt out. (tt wonders if there's a "Dead-Babes-Ring" on Bomis ...)
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The worst part of this is that I just watched "Romeo Must Die" recently, and I mentioned to my friends that she was easily the best thing in it aside from Jet Li. "Someone give this woman a better movie," I said -- and then I heard she was slated to appear in the MATRIX follow-ups. And now this. I need a drink.
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...you should see the Yahoo News message board posts concerning her death. I never realized how civilized the Talk Backs were till I started reading those. Anyway, yes, this is terrible news. She was lovely, wasn't she?
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Why does this SHIT happen ????
I'm shocked.No other"hypercommercialized" young female artist, had that unique taste for
a diffrent,weird,dark,special way of approaching their art,whether it was acting,singing or writing.
I'll truly miss her.
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I became aware of the young lady because of Romeo Must Die and she did very well for her first movie. I was and still am looking forward to Queen of the Damned and the Matrix sequels. While she was here her star burned bright, and she was only 22. Damn.
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One of the few RnB recording artists that I actually respected, and with an album out and roles in the two of the highest profile movies in memory...just when her career was getting momentum: isn't it always the way? Twenty-two years old. I still can't believe it. Condolences to friends and relatives
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I remember I was lying in bed, and my brother told me when I was half asleep that this beautiful singer has died. I was in shock. Then I came down, went online, and read about it. This is terrible news, and my thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends. This has to equally be hard to her many fans. I've liked Aaliyah's song "Are you that Somebody?" from the Dr. Dolittle soundtrack. That's actually one of my favorite songs. When I play it now, I won't be in the same good mood I am in as I used to. On one more note, I remember flipping through the channels a couple of weeks ago, when she was telling Boy George at MTV's 20th birthday gala that she was a fan and one of the first albums she had ever bought was "Karma Chameleon". That was the last time I saw her. God bless, and RIP Aaliyah. I'll miss you. -
she put in a great performance, and her scenes with Jet were pretty nice. God Bless.
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Thought I'd inject a semi-funny quasi-joke. Nonetheless, her death is a tragedy, even if Romeo Must Die sucked, even considering the fact that I can't name any of her songs or listen to any new music or anything close to that genre.
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This came to me as just the biggest shock...see, me, with my bout of insomnia last night, i was still awake the minute Yahoo posted the news. But i was in high spirits...i had been watching SNL, talking to a friend online, when i went to Yahoo to check on a classified, and see this printed in the news section...i think i had my jaw dropped in disbelief about 30 seconds before i actually read it. Only thing i could compare it to was being in sixth grade, getting a phone call from a friend, telling me Brandon Lee had died....and it being March 31st, i thought it was some cruel joke...and it wasnt......personally, i wasnt the biggest fan of her music, but i did respect the fact that she was one of those seemingly few recent R&B singers that had the gumption to take risks with her music, and top it off with the fact that she had a great voice....what made it worse was just the fact that she was only getting started as an actress....as has been said before in this TB, she was the best part about Romeo Must Die, and even though i remain skeptical about Queen of the Damned doing what it's supposed to do, The Matrix Reloaded would've sent her career into overdrive...and unfortunately, it seems that's always the way with young actors who are on the verge of greatness. My sincere condolences to her family, and the families of all those on board....and as a final note, i think it's now safe to say this, considering the frighteningly high amount of crashes ive heard about these damn things in the last 2 years, the biggest ones being this, and JFK Jr.....SMALL/PRIVATE PLANES ARE DEATHTRAPS....In need of some cheering up, but Revolution is still my name...
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This world is really an unfair place sometimes:(
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Aaliyah...for those of you unfamiliar with her music, you should know she was not just another r+b pop tart. She was not a Brandy. (She chose Romeo Must Die, not a UPN sitcom, as her acting vehicle.) She was very much on the next level. Her music and her videos were darker...her latest video for "We Need A Resolution", could be downright creepy if caught alone at 3:00 AM. Her lyrics were always just a little bit more adult and introspective than her peers. Just a shame. I looked forward to watching her evolve musically, and I looked forward to seeing her play warrior woman Zee. My thoughts to her friends, and family, especially her mother, who seemed to be very very close with her daughter. --For the record, one of the first things I thought when I heard the news...I wondered if MTV2 had planned to be playing her "Try Again" that night (it was playing about 1 minute before I heard the news)...and I couldn't help but remember an interview with Britney Spears' mother, of all people, who had expressed a lot of concern for all the plane rides her daughter was taking due to her career. Sad to see her concern was not unwarranted.
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What was that song of hers, where she really hit it big? That "been a long time, shouldn't leave you" or something. Man, I hate R&B with a vengeance usually, but that was a good song. She was one in a million, Aaliyah. She could teach about 100 artists off the top of my head a thing or two about image and attitude, based on what (little, admittedly) I've seen of her. She seemed to be a real sweetheart with a different , David Bowie-like style. A plane crash... God. Imagine. What a way to go out. Moment in Mourning, I suppose. And I agree, if you ever feel like TalkBacks are evolutionary freakshows, hop on down to a Yahoo message board. Not just the Aaliyah one, but sure as hell not excluding it.
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In the Matrix 'prequel' thread earlier in AICN, I was accused of being cruel/insensitive/a jerk, etc. after posting re: Aaliyah's death. So I wanted to respond, if I may be allowed. To all those who suddenly think I'm sociopathic and/or psychopathic for posting about Aaliyah in the manner I did: I meant no disrespect to the memory of the actress/singer. I certainly wish that she will rest in peace. When I read the news, the immediate association in my mind was to "Romeo Must Die" and the Matrix sequels. Since she's in II and III, I thought, she must factor (to some major degree)into the story, and thus, how are the Matrix sequels going to manage w/o her? I did not think what I was writing was "bashing." If anything, I am guilty of being insensitive, and for that I apologize. It is insensitive to talk about the compromises that must be made, movie-wise, when someone passes away, so sadly and senselessly as Aaliyah's death. To which: again, I apologize. I did not mean to offend. Rest In Peace, Aaliyah.
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See guys, anyone at anytime. We all talk about how a meteorite could fall out of the sky--boom!--and that's it. But how often do we maintain that urgency in our lives? Sometimes the highwinds and stormy waters take you where they will, but you've always got controls of the sails. P.S. Sometimes it's the stars that fall from the sky that we mourn. Stevie Ray Vaughn was the first that really hit me personally. I think it happened right around this time of year, too....
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Reading the rest of the talkbacks, I noticed no one acknowledged the deaths of the seven others to die in the crash. Yes, losing Aaliyah is losing a talent, but there are many relatives stunned and crying today, in addition to the fans of Aaliyah. Certainly, their families deserve our thoughts and sympathy this Sunday. Rest In Peace To All.
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When I woke up this morning the first thing i expected to see on my television when i was flipping through the stations was your ususal sunday morning television fodder your church shows,cartoons that people rarely watch and some sports of some type, but this morning i just happened to come upon cnn for some reason and on it,to my shock was a picture of My favorite songstress in the world Aaliyah,and underneath it read the heading" Young Singer Killed" At that moment i prayed to god i was still dreaming,but to my dismay i was fully awake and felt a shock go through my entire system.She was so young and so talented and in a world full of christina,brittany's n'syncs and mandy moore's(who im wondering why the grim reaper choose Aaliyah instead of them)was a breath of fresh air.I fell in love with her the first time i saw her in her first video back and forth back in 93 and to this day "age aint nothin but a number" and "one in a million" remain some of my favorite albums,and when i found out that she was going to be in The Matrix Reloaded and the Matrix 3,I felt proud as hell for the girl cause her credit was long overdue.hell i even bought two copies of her new albums because one of them came with a dvd with some of her videos.and i can tell you when QUeen of the damned comes out i will be one of the firsts in line to go see that(but even if she was still alive,that was gonna happen)but in closing the world has lost a beautiful person with abeautiful voice and she will be sorely missed
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When I woke up this morning the first thing i expected to see on my television when i was flipping through the stations was your ususal sunday morning television fodder your church shows,cartoons that people rarely watch and some sports of some type, but this morning i just happened to come upon cnn for some reason and on it,to my shock was a picture of My favorite songstress in the world Aaliyah,and underneath it read the heading" Young Singer Killed" At that moment i prayed to god i was still dreaming,but to my dismay i was fully awake and felt a shock go through my entire system.She was so young and so talented and in a world full of christina,brittany's n'syncs and mandy moore's(who im wondering why the grim reaper choose Aaliyah instead of them)was a breath of fresh air.I fell in love with her the first time i saw her in her first video back and forth back in 93 and to this day "age aint nothin but a number" and "one in a million" remain some of my favorite albums,and when i found out that she was going to be in The Matrix Reloaded and the Matrix 3,I felt proud as hell for the girl cause her credit was long overdue.hell i even bought two copies of her new albums because one of them came with a dvd with some of her videos.and i can tell you when QUeen of the damned comes out i will be one of the firsts in line to go see that(but even if she was still alive,that was gonna happen)but in closing the world has lost a beautiful person with abeautiful voice and she will be sorely missed
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Aug 26, 2001 8:23:09 AM CDT
I've seriously without a case have goosebumps right now that is
by foreskin_jones
I had the pleasure of meeting her at a Tower Records in Manhattan when she came inside the store to buy something. She was not diva like in anyway and was a very nice person and very beautiful in person. She talked about her new album and what it's going to bring to her career with so much enthusiasm and "The Matrix" sequels that we she was so pumped up to do. This is really sad and unexpected just goes to show you to really enjoy your life while you can because you honestly never know. She was going places and may she rest in peace wherever she may be today. She was really very unique.
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...I recently lost a friend at the age of 21. We all like to think that somehow we are special and that we will live to be 80, but we aren't and we might not...so make every day count. Try to. And even if we do make it to 80, life is short, and it passes us by like a falling star -- make it count. And if you love someone, tell them today. You might not get the chance tomorrow.
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This a very depressing day. I saw you on the set of the Matrix Reloaded. You had an incredible presence to be so young. I always imagined you growing old and having a flock of beautiful kids able to take over Hollywood. It always sucks to see people/places/things with so much potential taken from us.
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What was her real name?
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Aug 26, 2001 9:17:38 AM CDT
I am so angry! Why does take those who are doing so much good fr
by blue devil
I've admired Aaliyah since '93 and I was so proud of her when she performed the Anastasia song on the Oscars. In a world full of hoochies and hos, it was nice to see a classy African-American woman making a positive impact on the world. Aaliyah was sophisticated, intelligent, and showed rare depth. Of all the young singers out right now, Aaliyah was the only one I truly wanted to meet. Now, I'll never have the chance. I miss her so much already and I don't understand why this had to happen.
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Aug 26, 2001 9:21:06 AM CDT
I am so angry! Why does God take those who are doing so much goo
by blue devil
Okay, so I messed up the subject on my last post- that just shows how distraught I am. I'm left wondering what she did that caused her to be taken from us. She was a good girl and was doing good things. She was the highlight of 'Romeo Must Die' and created a character of depth and warmth. She could have accomplished so much had God just let her live. I really don't understand.
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I have a been a casual fan ever since that first video she did for that eddie murphy movie, Doolittle or Nutty Professor?). Cant recall the title but it had the babies laughing sample, her holding a hawk, and that guy Timbaland(?). I've never gotten tired of that song and video. I saw her on BET last week giving away a Cadillac or something. She seemed like the most down to earth person. I couldn't wait till Queen of the Damned and the Matrix sequels. I hope enough films in the can to keep her parts intact. I'm rambling a little so I just wanted send my condolences to her family and the other people who were killed. You will be missed.
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Aug 26, 2001 9:27:31 AM CDT
ROCTIV YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT YAHOO MESSAGE BOARD I CANT BE
by jon-e-blaze
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Aug 26, 2001 9:30:57 AM CDT
Man, I was having such a good wekend...just came back from seein
by terry_1978
It's cool to see a lot of people who are "non-fans" of Aaliyah giving their condolences on her death. I guess I'm one of the few regulars in here who actually listens to a lot of her stuff, and I commend everybody for taking the high road as opposed to those a-holes who didn't listen to her stuff and post how much they don't care about this news and how she sucked and what not.
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Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty... oh, you know the rest. Maybe in 5-10 years Lil Kim could play her role in a made for Lifetime movie. But, seriously, in Romeo Must Die she showed true potential as a lead (supporting) actress! A hell of a lot more than that tramp Maria Scarey does! Too bad she didn't get to see the brightest of her star shine. Tonight, I will say a prayer for her. Rest in peace.
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If I was famous I wouldn't go near a plane.
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Damn shame that airplanes aren't safer than that. Warmest sympathies to the families of the victims.
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Add Aaliyah to the number of actors and music stars who die in such a tragic way (you would think someone might notice this pattern?). While like most of these TB's, I'm not one of her music followers or seen her acting. However, what I have seen of her, she more talanted than 90% of the R+B singers out there today. Even as a gay man, I can appreciate her beauty and the sexual energy she gave off. I was shocked beyond belief, when I turned the TV on this morning. Her loss, and those of the others, will resonate for time unending. However (and while I do not want to play Monday Morning Quarterback), if it determind that this tradgey could have been averted because of stupid assed lugaged issue, then what does this say for Aaliyah and her fellow riders? Ego's are big in music, but why must one or two people play Russian Roulette with everyone else's life for just a few outfits or whaterver? Death exists in the memory of others, which is why its not an end.
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This is horrible news, it's a tragic day for the entertainment world. She had just released her new album and was about to kick her movie career into high gear when this happened. This is just too sad. I hope that she is in a better place now.
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I read about this last night and I still fills me up with sadness as I wake up this morning, so very sad. All I can really say is what a waste of beauty and talent. I know that she's in heaven singing with the angels as we speak, R.I.P. beautiful Aaliyah. :( ColinLR, I am one of those that lashed out at you last night for your unsensitive comments you made about Aaliya's death. Now I see that you saw the error of your ways and posted a aplology and for that I commend you. In a place so dark and twisted as "AIC Talkback" I never thought I'd see the day when sombody had the balls to post and apology for hurtful comments they might have made. Wow there's actually good still left in the world, amazing.
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Wow, I am proud to be a mamber of the talk back community today, 1 off color joke on the whole board. I think this thing has grown up. Allyiah (sp -5) and Timbaland put on some great tracks, especially that song from teh Doctor Doolittle soundtrack with the babby "cooing", that song always makes me smile. Its really sad that she was taken away so youn, 22, hell I'm 22, I don't have that much talent and I'll probably live fourty more years, fair, i think not, God's fault, I think not. Prayers go out to the other 7 people on the plane's families at this time.
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A few people have mentioned the fact that nobody is talking about the other 6 passengers that died or the passenger that survived. Their families and loved ones will miss them as much, or more, as Aaliyah's, but Aaliyah's family will have to deal with the extra comfort, or curse (depending on how they look at it), of all of the mourning fans that will want to partake in the reality of her tragic death. They say there is a price to fame, and it is at times like this that it is felt most keenly.
On Aaliyah as an artist, I had seen, and liked, her in "Romeo Must Die", but I had never bothered to listen to any of her music. Until I read, in her memorial, that she had sung "Journey to the Past", I had not realised how good of a singer she was. I loved that song, and now I have to content myself with the fact that I'll only have her short body of work to enjoy.
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No one expects someone so young to die. What made it hit harder was that she had been in on my mind lately with the release of her new album which I had been waiting for since I bought her 2nd one way back in '96. This was a girl who was destined to be big and whose first hit album was released when she was 15. She had sexiness working for her but you could see the sweetness in her character also. When I heard in an interview that she wanted to pursue an acting career, I was sceptical. For some reason Madonna's "so-called" acting always comes to mind when I hear of singers becoming actors. But Romeo Must Die showed Aaliyah was a natural. There was no stiffness in her performance and she could let her emotions be seen by the camera in spades. I remember in Ebert's review him saying the same thing. Queen Of The Damned was rushed into production and it puzzles me why they would try to combine two novels (it and The Vampire Lestat) into one film. So, my hopes are low - but at least with Aaliyah in it, there is one good thing about it. She will be missed by me and all her other fans. Rest in peace.
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When you are a fan of someone, to you they feel like a part of your life. You didn't know them, of course, but their music or other talent touched you in some way. Then, when that person is taken away, it almost feels like someone you knew died. I am sure people at this TB don't mean to be insensitive to the others that have died, or think that Aaliyah is somehow more important because she was beautiful or talented. Rather, they are expressing their grief over losing someone they felt a bond with. I, too, felt shock when I heard the news. So young! I was not a big fan of her's, but she seemed like a very nice, classy girl, destined for so much more in her life. Just from seeing her on TV, and in Romeo Must Die, I felt this little part of me start to grieve. I do also grieve for the others who died; just, they are more distant from me, therefore I have a hard time feeling personally about their deaths. And that's natural. We see death everyday on the news, how many people watching feel each death as something personal? Death is a part of life, but when you lose a loved-one, or someone you know, or someone you admire, you feel it deeper than with someone you did not know. ***** I am sure I am mucking up my point... My point is, people are talking about Aaliyah and not the others because they felt some sort of bond with her. It doesn't mean that it is any less tragic that the other people died. Just that she is the one that touched them in some way. I am sorry for everyone who died in this accident. May they all rest in peace, and may all of their families find comfort.
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I wasn't a huge fan of hers but I thought she was a good singer and actor and she definitely was on her way to becoming a legend. Godspeed and take your place with the Angels.
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...and all these people disrespect a dead person and nothing happens. That's fucking balanced. Yes, she's just another person who died in the world but her fans knew something of her, saw her face, and that brings an emotional attachment, it's human nature. This fucking site is the worst collection of negative fucks who have ever lived
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I'm not entirely sure why I find this news so sad, while I might read about another plane crash and not let it bother me (terrible tragedies occur every minute, everywhere, after all, you can't let them all affect you). I wasn't a huge fan of hers, not of her music at any rate. I hated "Romeo Must Die" but I agree with other talk backers that she did a fine job in the film. She was beautiful and charismatic. It is sad, indeed.
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I'm not here to rant as usual, I'm here to acknowledge the lady's career. It's tragic that she passed at such a young age and at a time when her career was at crossroads (with her singing and acting gigs). A couple of weeks ago, I finally got my DVD for Romeo Must Die and enjoyed her part and am ,like everybody else, looking forward to her stuff in The Matrix sequals and Queen of the Damned (I don't own any of her CDs, but will try them out). We'll all miss you, kiddo.
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Listen, kid, you may think you are funny with your bullshit, but the fact is that yes, any person's death should be considered a tragedy, especially if it was a young woman in the beginning of her life and with everything to live for. Nothing personal against you, I am sure you have a LOT of issues of your own to deal with, but somebody had to call you about your crap. Just grow up and try to behave like a human being.
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Aug 26, 2001 12:24:30 PM CDT
Enemy Agent: "Not every young persons death should be considered
by llghtst0rmer
That's true, Agent. Your own would be quite a welcome event. Asshole.
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I'm the furthest thing from a fan of contemporary R&B, but I really thought she was the greatest. She was like the last bastion of cool in a landscape that has otherwise totally fucking dried up. Good fucking God.
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I'll say up front this is my first AICN post and I'm not some huge Aaliyah fan. But my heart goes out to all the people who died in that plane crash as well. And hopes to the seriously injured one becoming healthy. But my main point is Yahoo is full of some dumb racist assholes who have yet to even gave a reason for their existance on this planet. They are the people who deserve to go down in flames in this world. I mean, it's one thing to not care for everybody and only care for some (or to care for everybody), but another to not care at all. Death is what we all face in life and those shits are gonna get what they deserve when they face it and lose. I don't care what race she was, she was a human being who was taken away too early (not because she was a "great musician/actor/songstress") but because she had a life to live like the rest of us. Sit and complain or praise about what she gave the world all you want. Just think about what it would be like to die at the age of 22.
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Aug 26, 2001 1:20:56 PM CDT
Great, now we have to wait and see what other two celebrities ar
by darthsnoogans
I don't mean to sound callous about it, but celebrities always seem to die in threes. Anyway, that kind of untimely death always sucks (what is it about talented musicians and light aircraft crashes?), but what really angered me was the radio station I was listening to that announced it. Apparently, eight other people died in the crash but this radio station thought it unimportant enough to relegate it to a side note at the end of the story. By the way, doesn't she have a young kid? Does anyone know if the kid was aboard that plane?
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I don't know what type of person you are, but there is nothing funny about death, particularly a tragedy. Therefore, let me remind you and anyone else who sees comedy in what people write about someone who dies that it's not funny, is pretty fucking sick and nothing you can "lighten up" about. You know, having a sense of humor is one thing, but as far as I'm concerned, that's irrelevant and non-applicable at an occurence such as the one that we've heard about in the last 24 hours. There are certainly many times where people NEED to be serious and treat things with respect and this certainly is one of them. -
Celeberity deaths do seem to come in threes. Most noteably Robert Mitchum, Walter Kronkite, and James Stuart in a matter of days of each other. Wow, morbid curosity aside I hope the trend is broken here.
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A fantastic person and role model for youths and adults alike is gone. She seemed to have taken a big bite out of what life had to offer and will be remembered fondly.
I am equally moved by the decorum and well-wishes of my fellow AICN posters...this whole tragedy makes me think of what John Lennon said - "Life is what happens while you are busy making plans".
Aaliyah LIVED, as should all of us.
My prayers and sympathies are with her family and friends, as well as the others involved in and touched by this tragedy.
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i hate music like hers, HATE IT, but i almost boght her album last week, held it in my hands. not sure what it is about her, but she seemed different than the rest. and she was by far the best thing in romeo must die, hands down. her career was only beginning. god knows what he's doing though. maybe i should get that album. -
First off, Enemy Agent, get a clue and a life...ANYBODY who dies in a fucking small plane crash, it's a sad state of affairs...the thing is, there just happened to be someone who is more widely known on board. It sucks that way, but i understand how easy it is to forget the other 7 people on board, because we dont know them at all, when at least we know and appreciate the celebrity's work. And even if you DONT like her work, you dont have the right to strip everyone else of their right to pay their respects. I mean, personally, i despise N*SYNC, but if they all of a sudden crashed their plane into the middle of the ocean, while musically, i'd say good riddance, lives cut short are still lives cut short, and thats still something to mourn. And second, on the other end of the spectrum, you have these people who are taking this TOO serious. The only way to deal with death is to explore it, and unless we're allowed to do that in each our own way, we might as well be sitting in rubber rooms drooling on our straitjackets. And quite frankly, since, to paraphrase Maynard Keenan, "all we know is what she's sold us", none of us have the right to be taking this TOO deeply....i mourn the poor girl, what she's done, and what might have been, but despite that fact, i guarantee you, i'll still sleep well tonight, just like i did last night.
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This is truly disheartening news. She will be missed, to say the least. The words tragedy will be used frequently, as in the case of other young performers who've passed on before their time. We can only think of what might have been...
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...another Pdiddy tribute song on the way...can't wait
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Here were the others who died with Aaliyah:-----------------------------------Scott Gallin, 34
Keith Wallace, 49
Eric Foreman, 29
Douglas Kratz, 28
Gina Smith, 29
Christopher Maldonado, 32
L. Marael(the pilot)-----------------------------My condololescenes to them and their families as well.
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God didn't take away life, but gave life. I pray that she and the others knew that. Also for her family too. It is very sad and it is nice to see some maturity for a change.
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I was never a fan, and I know next to nothing about her, but I still let out a gasp when I read this headline. It's a shame.
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neosverax, it's good of you to give recognition to all the lives lost in this tragedy. (Some people comment on celebrities and small planes not mixing. Well, don't think you're safer in a small plane if you're not a celebrity. Small plane crashes without celebrities just don't get recognition beyond the local news.)
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It's a real shame that Aaliyah didn't get a chance to realize her potential. She really looked like a crowd pleaser and seemed to be making good choices with her career.
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Rest in Peace and Go with God Aailayah and friends.
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people die every day ,but more importantly does this mean matrix is going to be way behind on its release date ?
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The reports say that her people wanted to load an excessive amount of baggage on the plane, so it's her own fault and good riddence to her.
She would have fucked up the Matrix sequel anyway.
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Aug 26, 2001 5:19:18 PM CDT
It's funny how everyone on here either hated her music, or wasn'
by terry_1978
If someone that was a number one target for AICN talkbackers like Freddie Prinze were to leave this earth, everybody on this thing, including reviewers and talkback regulars, would be feeling some major ass guilt for weeks on end.
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Aug 26, 2001 5:58:23 PM CDT
Freddie Prinze, Nsync, Britney, Christina, and Mandy Moore.....
by the founder
are human beings as well, but it's distasteful for some of you to make a reference as to how they are still here and Aaliyah is unfairly taken. Sure FPJ is untalented in my opinion, but I don't wish him dead, just out of the entertainment business. Just like Aaliyah, and the pop stars I mentioned aboved I wasn't a fan of their music, but a song of theirs caught my interest(maybe not Mandy Moore's)but I will say that Aaliyah style and music was unique from the other young stars that does mainstream pop, and she didn't recieve no near the amount of media publicty then the stars I mentioned above, but that is a good thing in my opinion. I will say that at least Aaliyah became well known do to her music, and not do to her looks or corperate marketing, and she didn't have endorsements deals up the ass or commercials, and though she had a few hit songs, she didn't sale a ton of cd's either, but as someone said something about her just caught your attention, and honestly did appear to have some thing different from her peers. Some of you knocked her, but evidently she had something for Warners to want to cast her in the Matrix, considering her peers like Britney or Christina were way more sucessful and popular then she ever was. I think she was going to be one of the few music stars that makes it as an actor. To my knowledge she didn't have any kids, well at least I never heard that she did. Someone's already mentioned it, but I saw a little of that interview with Briteny's mother voicing her concern with her daughter doing a lot of flying, and it does make you think of the safty of small planes. People keep mentioning about how Aaliyah and the other passsengers didn't want to part with their luggage, and took the risk to fly anyway. I think it's more to it than the plane being overweight, come on an experianced pilot tells them it's risky flying like this, but they do it anyway, and not to mention that the pilot himself knows this is dangerous, but he's going to risk his life because they wanted their baggage? I know two charter pilots, and believe me they wouldn't attempt to make a risky flight. I spoke to one of them and he said that it was proberly a mechanical problem, becuase no pilot, no matter how inexperianced they may be knows the seriousness of flying a plane that's beyond it's weight capacity. I truly wish she was still alive. R.I.P Aaliyah, and the other passengers as well who lost their lives.
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Wow... a lot of you people are truly sick. People die everyday? None of us liked her music anyway? She wanted all that extra baggage so it's her fault? Yes, people do die everyday, but I think we can all agree that Aaliyah was at least more talented than most of the other garbage out there for mass teen consumption. She was at the beginning of what could have been a long and fruitful career and her life was taken from her. I don't care what you say, that is quite sad. When talent is snuffed out before it has a chance to blossom, everyone loses in some small way. Call it stupid or sentimental, but it's what I believe. My condolences go out to the families of those who died in the crash.
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I really liked Aaliyah. She had a strength and truth that I saw in others I have met and she showed it on screen with honesty. I first noticed her on the Anastasia soundtrack, the song Journey to the Past. It was a hip hop remake of track two and her rendition rocked!! It filled my head with images of a story that I wanted to write and will one day actually do, about perseverance and hope and struggle with new friends at and by my side.
"Heart don't fail me now. Courage don't desert me. Don't turn back now that we're here. People always say, life is full of choices. No one ever mentions fear. Or how a road can seem so long. How the world can seem so vast. Courage see me through. Heart I trusting you. On this journey..."
This is what it's all about. These are words to live by. She took them and made them her own and it showed. God bless you Aaliyah. You were just like a princess. I hope to one day see you on the other side and thank you.
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Aug 26, 2001 6:55:24 PM CDT
Aahliyah's death is sad, but let's have some perspective...
by jonnyquick
and not act like it's the end
of the world, okay? She was a reasonably talented pop singer who depended on the talents of producers, songwriters and angents, as do most today. She wasn't John Lennon, she wasn't Stevie Ray Vaughn, she sure as hell wasn't Buddy Holly (the "young talent" to whom a few people seem to be comparing her). She was a good singer, a decent actress and, from what I understand, a nice young woman. It sucks that she's dead, but no more than that the other people in that plane are dead. And certainly, for the world of music, a great deal less than that John Lennon, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, Janis Joplin, or Sam Cooke died before their time. Grieve, yes. Let your pain go. But don't lie in the process. -
The truth? This is only news on this site because of the Matrix sequels. AICN is not going to ponder it openly just yet, though. The truth? As Dennis Miller said, "looks make the world go 'round", so yes, young, straight males are going to instinctively mourn this more than some frumpy but talented girl. Sorry, not right, but the way it is. The truth? Celebrity status determines the magnitude of the tragedy more than pure talent, which is not to say that the two don't often coincide. The truth? There are a lot of heartless, jaded motherfuckers on this site. You know who you are and you should know that karma is a real bitch. This talkback just confirms my opinion of a substantial amount of posters here who live to be antagonists, not simply movie geek dadaists.
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Wow I still can't believe it. All I can say is make your dreams a reality because as you can see, tomorrow is not promised. Your job sucks? Then do something about it. Aaliyah may be in a better place but her tombstone will forever boast of her accomplishments as well as recant how she lived her life doing what she loved. Can you say the same? Act now!
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According to AP, the Aaliyah crash was due to engine failure. So can we please put the "luggage" snipes to rest? Eight people just died. Some 'em some respect, OK?
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...does anybody else secretly wish it had been Jada Pinkett Smith in that plane instead? I do NOT want to see her in the Matriz sequels. Dear God, where did Will Smith ever find a bride who is more irritating than himself? Oh, you know what would be just GREAT? If the Wachowskis could replace the deceased Aaliyah with Halle Berry! Now that would be something to see. The two least-talented actresses on the face of the planet having one big $100 million ham-off! Berry vs. Pinkett- two beautiful women of color vying for the title of Flattest Performance Ever. Oh, and my condolences.
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...when he's clearly one ape that has yet to evolve into a fucking human being.
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Aug 26, 2001 8:51:14 PM CDT
Kids, if you're gonna "take the other side" of the topic, couldn
by llghtst0rmer
I mean, I can't deny he said a few things that I found antagonistic, but at least the guy had a serious point. As much as I wanted to blast the dude for coming off as disrespectful, I can't. He's blunt, but it doesn't seem he's entirely without compassion. He did make me think. So even if some people here are simply going to play the devil's advocate in this talkback just for the sake of doing it, could you all at least be intelligent about it, please? People have lost somebody important to them. Maybe they were simply fans, but I know I'd feel pretty damn hurt to see somebody whose work I have enjoyed pass away. Have some respect, people!
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to everyone I might have steered toward the Yahoo latrines; it wasn't such a good idea. If you do check it out it's best to follow Allucanluv's example and laugh about it, or you'll get very mad. And THANKS to the guy who posted the news about the plane crashing due to engine failure. Although even if it had been the luggage, geez, we've almost ALL done stupid life threatening things as adults, whether it's driving a car while eating, leaving a door unlocked, etc. I can't believe how uncharitable some internet posters have been towards the person they ASSUMED was responsible for the crash (which curiously was usually Aaliyah, rather than the pilot who was in charge of making the final decision).
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Aug 26, 2001 10:39:46 PM CDT
I'm Glad Someone Here Posted The Truth About The Plane, So Some
by the founder
As i've said before, I doubt the crash was do to an overweight plane, with obvious reason being that the pilot knows better than to attempt such a risky flight. The passengers on the flight with Aaliyah were part of the crew for the video shoot, a stylist, and a representative from Virgin records, and I believe someone from a local radio station in Miami, or a reporter, just in case anyone was interested about the other victims. The so called luggage was equipment, and wardrobe for the video shoot. They were their to make a video, not to vacation or load up on material goods, and in case no one here has been to the Bahamas, it not exactly the fashion or eletronic capitol of the world were Aaliyah and crew would have loaded up on tons of cloths or material possesions. Most of the goods travelers get is small souviners, like t-shirts, and hand made crafts, and not stuff like tv,s and jet skies, or 3 or 4 hundred pounds of new cloths. I just heard on tv that they were supposed to leave this morning, but because thay were on a tight schedual, they took an ealier flight back. I saw the pilot on the news who took her over there, and he said they were unable to get in contact with him for the ealier flight, Damn had she but waited to leave when she was supposed to. I guess we do have more control over our own fate then what we like to believe.
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Someone mentioned "the fate of threes" thing concerning celebrity deaths. Earlier Friday, Kathleen Freeman paseed away. To those who are unfamiliar to the name, I'm sure you know the face and voice. She's probably best known as "the penguin" in the Blues Brothers movies. She just recently received a tony nomination for her role on Broadway in "The Full Monty" and recently had small roles in "Nutty Professor 2" and "Shrek". I had a chance to meet her in April, and she was a lovely woman who will be missed dearly. My sincerest condolences go out to the families of Ms. Freeman and Aaliyah. Both were talents that touched millions. R.I.P.
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this is from the aaliyah website:
It was only two weeks ago that Aaliyah completed filming of her "More Than A Woman" video and she was also scheduled to be a presenter at the 2001 MTV awards on Thursday, September 6th in New York City. Aaliyah had already completed the initial shooting for the Matrix II in Los Angeles last month and was scheduled to fly to Australia after the New Year to finish up principal photography for The Matrix II & III.
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I hesitate to add my words, but here it goes: to diminish Aaliyah's talents because "she relied on writers, producers, managers" is a bit easy, don't you think? Meryl Streep, then, is just an actress who relies on the help of directors, agents, managers, writers, makeup artists, etc. Spike Jonze is merely a director who relies on the help of actors, agents, writers, designers, etc. Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra did not write the songs they sang...shall we dismiss their talents as well? Understand, I am not saying Aaliyah was the end all and be all of talent. She was decent in Romeo Must Die. Her casting in The Matrixs would lead me to believe her acting had grown...and would continue to do so. Her music..."Are You That Somebody" was her first truly GOOD song..."Try Again" and "Back In One Piece" were even bigger advances...her latest album from the few songs I've heard showed even more growth. Her life is not more important than any of the others' on the flight...no one is saying that. But I have no *personal* reason to mourn those others. It is sad - all loss is. But I do not feel a hole in my life from their death. Their work never directly became a part of my life. Aaliyah being gone has left a hole in my life. A larger hole than I would have imagined, at that. I would have never counted myself as a huge fan of hers. But she was an artist I admired and respected - I looked forward to watching her grow. It is the silencing of a promising voice that I, and the others, mourn. One last note: As some people have said, Aaliyah was as nice as nice can be. In a business where the young successful ones are often snotty as fuck, it was truly a shock to meet one who was so kind. She had a maturity and a sophistication that many people in the business her age (and older) can only wish to attain. Let's face it - it's always a little sadder to see the nice ones go. My condolences to all those who lives were touched by any of the nine deceased passengers. R.I.P. ------for anyone interested, there is a truly lovely poem on her website www.aaliyah2001.com
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To all the families and friends to those killed in the crash, my condolenses, they are all people and they will be missed, my prayers are with them.
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May these eight souls rest in peace. My condolences to the family's of the victims.
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i wasn'treally a big fan of her music (although did like "try again") but when she was cast as "the queen of the damned" i thought she would be a great akasha. still looking forward to seeing the film, but it's going to have a bit of a sour and melancholy note. and kind of creepy too - those who have read the book would know.
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Aug 27, 2001 1:21:51 AM CDT
God, I was just reading more posts and I have to address ZeroCor
by darth ranik
Man it sounds like you have had a rough go of it. You are one pesimistic dude. Death is not a funny thing in most cases, and everyone does not choose thier own death as you seem to think, if that were so, nobody would die for gods sake. Just being alive garauantees you are going to die, of that we have no choice. Until someone comes along and scientifically prooves we have an afterlife, all we have to rely on is faith. Faith that being dead is not the nothingness that preceeds birth. That we won't fall into a dark oblivion of non-existence. That all we were, all we did in life, all our memories and experiences are lost. All that we truely have in this world is our lives, our souls if you will. It is a sad thing when a person cannot live a full life, when life is cut short, because that may be all there is for us. As far as people choosing thier death, maybe some do in a way, smokers, sky divers, stunt men and women, you get the picture. Sometimes though, shit just happens and your number is up, no fault of your own. Sure, maybe if the Nun at the convent had not been driving down to the food shelter she would never have been crushed by the jacknifing semi-truck, but you certainly can't say she's at fault for being there! That is rediculous! Had she known the consequences for being in a certain place at a certain time, she wouldn't have been there! It's called fate. Sometimes bad shit just happens, for no reason at all bad shit just happens. Bad shit happens to good and bad people alike. Thats what makes the death of a young person so sad. Your way of thinking is called a causallity chain, meaning one action leads to another which leads to another which leads you up to the point of getting killed. Well, I guess you are right but where your logic falls appart is that you think people choose the chain of actions that kill them, but they don't. LIFE IS A CHAIN OF EVENTS LEADING TO YOUR DEATH. You cant get away from it. THERE IS NO RIGHT CHOICE TO MAKE! Thats what make death a tragic thing, and what makes life such a treasure to hang on too and live to its fullest. We are all going to die. There is no getting around that. It is what you do in life that counts.
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Aug 27, 2001 2:49:45 AM CDT
Buddy Holly, John Lennon, And Stevie Ray Vaughan. To All Those C
by the founder
People are comparing them with her, because she died in a tragic manner just as they did. Just like Lennon, Holly, and Vaughan made an impact artistically to the world of music, so did Aaliyah. While her music may have not been to your liking, it apperantly was to someone else. If you were to ask me about Holly, and Vaughan I couldn't tell you anything about them, or what songs they sang. I know a little about Lennon, and I remember a few of his songs, because I remember my mother being sad and listening to his music, and saying how he died before his time. It's not that I didn't like them it's just that they were before my time, and a lot of the younger people can say the same about them, but we knew Aaliyah, because she is a presense in the music industry today. While some of think you that these artists are more talented that Aaliyah ever was it's your opinion, because you are familar with their music. I can't say the same, and you could be right about them making better music, I don't know I haven't listened to their albums. What their music may have been to a lot of people during that era, Aaliyah's is to some of the people in this era. Their's so many different kinds of music and, this music touch people in different ways, and while you may not have enjoyed Aaliyah's music, someone else may find some of her songs inspirational or her music could have helped them get through a crisis in their life. One thing I never did is knock someone's taste in music, if I didn't like it I don't listen to it. I can tell you in my opinion that Nsync's music sucks, and most of us hear proberly agrees, but to someone else it may be pure gold. Who are any of us to tell another person one type of music is better then the other. In 25 years another young singer may die early, and it'll be the same cycle over again, some may mention Aaliyah, and people of today may say the same things some of you are saying about how can someone compare her to Buddy Holly. I don't think no one hear is comparing them with one another, but is just making a reference of how they died before their time, and what impact they left on their fans.
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Aug 27, 2001 3:03:13 AM CDT
The Poor Man That Survived The Crashed, I'm Sorry I didn't Catch
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I heard the news Sunday morning but did not have time to visit AICN. I am glad. Apparently I missed some rather ugly comments about a talented young performer who, along with 7 others, was suddenly taken from us. I have not listened to her music but enjoyed her performance in RMD and recently read a short interview in which she deeply impressed me with her maturity and the genuine quality of character that was evident even in a few short paragraphs. My deepest condolences to the families of all involved.____I read ZeroCorpse's post and while I disagree with parts, I agree with the overall content. I have seen more dead people than the majority of you people have seen films. Death, as a state, usually does not bother me simply because I have dealt with it so very often. It is generally the circumstances which invoke a response from me for the person involved and their loved ones. In cases where a long illness is involved, I often consider it to be a blessing and a relief. Sudden death as a result of illness, i.e. heart attack, stroke, is more difficult to deal with but people comfort themselves with the adage, "It was their time." Sudden death as a result of violence is the hardest to face and cope with emotionally as there is always an "If only..." expressed. "If only" IS frequently a coincidence which would not result if the person involved had not made the choices which brought them to that point at that time. Sometimes I think about doing something particularly ignorant, (like maybe unbuckling my seatbelt in traffic and twisting around so I may return the bottle to the baby as he is driving me insane with his crying) I think about how many times I have seen a dead parent or a dead baby because of an action extremely similar to the one I am contemplating. This encourages me to take the few extra minutes necessary to pull over and THEN locate the bottle. I had two choices. So far I appeared to have chosen wisely.____I have never understood why the dead are automatically canonized. As long as the deceased is not a Hitler wannabe or the leader of a cult encouraging his followers to have another dixie cup full of fruit punch, he/she becomes immediately loved, popular, generous, etc. When I was a teenager in a small southern town and two girls were killed in a car wreck, I did not instantly move into the "I really liked them despite the fact that I thought they snobs and rude" mode that the majority of the kids did. I simply stated I was sorry they had died and I felt bad for their families, but I had never really cared for them and the way they acted. I was the recipient of quite a few shocked comments. "How can you say that? They are DEAD!" Well, yes, I was aware of that fact, but I did not feel that being a hypocrite about it was the way to go either.____Aaliyah touched many people by opening her heart and rewarding others with the gift of her talents. Dying is a passage; death is the destination. Choosing the path to follow is your decision. Make it count.____Bee
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Wow, she will be missed. In my opinion, in this so-called music generation, she started the R & B/Pop sound that Destiny's Child stole as well as Brittany Spears. I wish we could have seen her in the Matrix sequels.
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Who give a shit? There will be another ghetto skank ready to take her place tomorrow.
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and here i thought that the posts on the yahoo board were immature thanx for proving me wrong jon boy you heartless bastard
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Here was a young girl who seemed to be making all the right choices. Music that meant something rather than mindless pop. Movies that made you seriously want to track her career and root for her success. She truly will be missed. She and her friends died a senseless, horrible death. To all the family and friends who are mourning this tragedy, my deepest sympathies.
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I've been in a daze since Saturday. In my mind, I keep thinking that they made a mistake, she's not really dead. What proof do we have that she's really dead? Then, reality sets in- she's been reported dead, the wires have all carried it, the family accepts it, and here in LA, the radio stations are running tributes to her. I can't believe it. Now I know how people must have felt when Monroe died or Lombard, just this sudden shock. No time to adjust. How will I ever get closure? I never really saw her a last time or got to say my goodbyes. I feel like she's still out there...somewhere. My heart goes out to all the families of those who died, because if I feel this bad, they must be feeling about 1000 times worse. I'm sorry, guys. I keep thinking to myself, "If I could just go back and warn them, tell them what's going to happen." But I can't, and that hurts too. And to ZeroCorpse, I couldn't read your entire post because it sickened me. For the most part, people don't choose to die. If I knew that by pulling into a McDonald's that I would die, I wouldn't pull in. Aaliyah never said to herself, "I'd rather die at 22 being rich and famous than live to be 80 working at Krispy Kreme". That's not fair to her or anyone. With that state of mind, we should all be shut ins and await the inevitable in cowardice. People live lives and do things because they want to. In Aaliyah's case, she was fulfilling her dreams. That's the hard part about all this: it wasn't her fault and it wasn't our fault. Who do we blame? I've tried to blame God, but then I realize that he does things for a reason, and somehow, there's a reason for Aaliyah's death. That's why I'm angry, because I don't see any good reason for the death of such a beautiful young woman, however, I know there is one...I just have to figure it out.
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i liked her songs 'at your best', 'back back forth n forth'
(i think), 'hot like fire', they were really good songs, always got DJs to spin em at parties back in my jr. high days. I'm sorry that she's gone now, but i'm gonna keep my ears open for her music, try to in a way, keep the memory alive -
I think the best times for these talkbacks are when people ACTUALLY LISTEN (well...read) to what others are saying. So much effort is spent on arguing, at this site. I suppose that that would be part of the purpose of these talkbacks, but most of it is to share information, opinion, and experience. We have to ultimately stay within a liberal boundary set by Harry, but other than that, we get to govern ourselves. I hate ignorance and will only argue to keep it off our site. The shining moments that make me proud to be a member of this community are when we actually share our own personal experiences and inspirations. Although, thinking about what I just typed, it seems that we would all be like his classmates using the funeral for a person they didn't like as a bonding ground when we use the talkback for an artist we didn't particularly care for to expound on our own philosophies. The difference being, I suppose, that we truly state when we are not a devoted fan, or have never even heard or seen this artist before. The minds that flow through this virtual riverbed are, for the most part, of the purest content. That's why I love this community. I'm sorry for your loss, Zerocorpse. I'm going to go pick flowers for my mother now.
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DON'T GET IN A SMALL PLANE! How many celebrities have to die in them before people learn they're unsafe? The demands of fame shouldn't be so great that you can't fly safely. This is a tragedy.
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I would just like to say that your points are well spoken unlike some others on this board. And I think that a lot of what you say is true. Life is a series of choices. One choice could good and one bad. Sometimes both choices are good or bad. Who ever knows what lies around the bend. But I do know that if you enjoy life to the fullest, then life is not wasted.
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You were one of those talents that were very true to their career and fans. We love and miss you Aaliyah. You are one in a million. God Bless You...
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Thanks for the comments on the board, it is nice to know there are some intelligent thinking individuals out there who can answer and relate to other talkbackers without throwing out a heaping pile of profanity (not that I don't like to cuss once in a while). I thought that we had differing opinions when I read your first post, but after your subsequent posts I realize that we are of much the same opinion. We still differ on one thing though, and that is on "life choices". You believe that Aaliyah died because of her life choices...well, I would say she died because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was living her life, and something bad happended. You, I believe, are rightfully opposed to some people's belief that God has some pre-ordaned time for you to die, that he is some omnipotent executioner. I share your belief in this. If you believe your time to die is set, why bother to live at all? Why bother to accomplish anything? Why achieve anything, if God is just waiting to strike you down at some pre-ordaned time. If it were truely that way, we would have no free will. I believe in a kinder God. Do I think its Gods fault when people die? No. My view about God is this: We live in an imperfect world of our own creation (we chose to sin, and live outside of Gods world). We live in a world where bad things happen, not because God makes them happen, but because we chose to live in a world where random bad things can happen. There is evil in this world, and all the trappings and imperfections that go along with it. God the opposite of evil. He is not about death, and sorrow, he is the happiness and eternal life that is hopefully waiting for us. So as you see I don't believe in an omnipotent executioner. When you say her life choices are the cause of her death, you are essentially elevating our choices to the level of omnipotent executioner, a pre-ordaned set of choices that lead to our death. I could never live my life if I thought every time I was going to get on an airplane I was "choosing a potential way for myself to die". There is risk in almost everything we do, but you can't live life with out risk. You also said that you believe "it was not her choice to die but to live a life which put her in a situation that lead to her death". Are you saying that there is some type of life choices we can make that don't lead to the situation of our inevitable death? That is impossible. Just living your life eventually brings you to your end. I choose to believe that it is a random end, that our choices don't lead us to our death. Death comes in spite of our choices, no matter how conservative they may be. Bad things can happen for no reason. I if I get hit by a bus, I don't want it to be because everything I did up to that point in my life was a choice that lead me to this particular street corner, getting flattened by this particular bus. If you believe you choose a life that will lead to the circumstances of your death, how would you live your life? What kind of choices do you make? Would you drive durring rush hour, would you get on an airplane, would you walk down a steep flight of stairs, would you live in a part of the country that has tornados? I'm just curious. If you look at any action that has even the slightest risk of death are you choosing a lifestyle that leads to your death? Or are you just going to get in that car and hope some random drunk driver doesn't kill you on your way to the grocery store? It's random, my man. The most crazy wild, throw caution to the wind, pot smoking, thrill seeking maniac may very well live to be a hundred years old, and the most cautious, sheltered, protected person on the planet maybe getting struck by lightning at this very moment.
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http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/features/aaliyah.html
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To the person who noticed that celebrity deaths come in 3s...
Nobody bothered to tell CRONKITE that he is dead.
Just thought you might be the first to tell him.
I also am tired of people being hurled up upon pedestals as soon as they stop sucking air and processing food.
There was not a good thing said about this girl until you found out she was decomposing.
Save your fake sympathy.
And while you are at it...go tell someone living that you DO honestly enjoy their work how much you like their art. They will greatly appreciate it.
Y'all people are phonier than the vocal effected pro-tooled voice of this dead angel of yours.
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Aug 27, 2001 7:25:55 PM CDT
If at first you don't succeed...dust your Cessna off and try aga
by boris the blade
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I am editing and reposting a tb I made earlier in support of much of what you said as it initially landed several down from the top in the game that should be known as tb order roulette. I finally decided to relocate it (where it might actually be read) as an example of someone else with a similar viewpoint on death since you seemed to still be drawing a bit of fire your way. Here it goes____I read ZeroCorpse's post and while I disagree with parts, I agree with the overall content. I have seen more dead people than the majority of you people have seen films. Death, as a state, usually does not bother me simply because I have dealt with it so very often. It is generally the circumstance which invokes a response from me for the person involved and their loved ones. In cases where a long illness is involved, I often consider it to be a blessing and a relief. Sudden death as a result of illness, i.e. heart attack, stroke, is more difficult to deal with but people comfort themselves with the adage, "It was their time." Sudden death as a result of violence is the hardest to face and cope with emotionally as there is always an "If only..." expressed. "If only" IS frequently a coincidence which would not result if the person involved had not made the choices which brought them to that point at that time. Sometimes when I consider doing something particularly ignorant, (like maybe unbuckling my seatbelt in traffic and twisting around so I may return the bottle to the baby as he is driving me insane with his crying) I think about how many times I have seen a dead parent or a dead baby because of an action extremely similar to the one I am contemplating. This encourages me to take the few extra minutes necessary to pull over and THEN locate the bottle. I had two choices. So far I appeared to have chosen wisely.____I have never understood why the dead are automatically canonized. As long as the deceased is not a Hitler wannabe or the leader of a cult encouraging his followers to have another dixie cup full of fruit punch, he/she becomes immediately loved, popular, generous, etc. When I was a teenager in a small southern town and two girls were killed in a car wreck, I did not instantly move into the "I really liked them despite the fact that I thought they snobs and rude" mode that the majority of the kids did. I simply stated I was sorry they had died and I felt bad for their families, but I had never really cared for them and the way they acted. I was the recipient of quite a few shocked comments. "How can you say that? They are DEAD!" Well, yes, I was aware of that fact, but I did not feel that being a hypocrite about it was the way to go either.____The portion edited out were my feelings on the plane crash and condolences to the families. People face death differently and those more familiar with it are less likely to react so emotionally. Even people who do not have an overt emotional response feel grief and pain; they just do so silently. I guess you could call them introverted mourners. Well, off to work. Write ZC, write.____Once again condolences to the fans of Aaliyah and the friends and families of all the victims.____Bee
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Aug 28, 2001 1:51:08 AM CDT
It's Good To See That Majority Of The Posts Are Positive!
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I just want to commend all who posted a positive comment, it good to see that people can show emotion, sorrow, and express grief for a person who has died despite the fact that many of us weren't particularly a fan of her music. Someone mentioned that we are all phonies by posting such responses about her, but I see it differently. I think everyone here was honest, and sincere, and people who weren't fans aknowledge that they weren't, but still gave their sympathies. It's not about knowing someone who has passed on all the time, it's just good human nature. I hear stories on the news all the time where something tragic has happened to another person, and I honestly do feel remorse, although I didn't know them. This is one of the traits that make us a decent human. I can't speak for everyone, but I to knew someone who I wasn't fond of, and though I felt it was terriable that they had died, I went on about my life. I didn't show up at their furnel singing praises about them, or telling others how I liked them or whatever, but it's just me I know in my heart that I'm not a phony person to ever do such a thing, and my sympathy for Aaliyah's passing is truly sincere. Someone mentioned that if it was Freddie Prinze the talkback would look the same? Well again I can't speak for everyone, but I do know that I wouldn't post a lie or give off fake sympathy for him. All I could say is it's terriable that he died, but my fealings would still be the same, the guy is a terriable actor. Just like how I feal about Aaliyah's death I felt the same way for JFK jr, and Princess Diana, from what I gathered from the media they all appeared to be good, and likable people. There are some celebrities that have likable appeal to them even though you may not have been a particular fan of their work. If the same thing had happened to someone like Brad Pitt or Janet Jackson, while I may have enjoyed some of their work now and then I wouldn't call my self a fan of theirs, and like Aaliyah my response would be the same. I hope some of you can see the point I'm trying to make.
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All those gold chains dragged a planeful of rap artists into the sea. Somewhere, Darwin is chuckling; I am too.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-bahamascrash.story?coll=chi%2Dnews%2Dhed
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We come together to mourn because we see our own mortality reflected in the death of a beuatiful, talented young person. There is also, for some, a real connection to an artist who creates or reflects things that touch us personally. Everyone here is saying the same thing. Some are kindly reflecting on what they appreciated about this woman. Others are explaining about the fact that their own life experiences have attenuated their response to the death of a celebrity. Others are trying to insulate themselves from the reality by puffing out their chests and laughing loudly or hurling acid at the disturbing and frightening image of their own eventuality. Death is an enemy. It is not a friend who comes to claim us in our old age or a sweet release from unhappiness. Death is an enemy. A thief who robs us of our most valued treasure. We've seen this thief in action again. We can laugh and jibe about the fact that it wasn't us he stole from. We can resign ourself to his period visits to our home or we can simply cry with those who have been victimized. Death is an enemy. We weren't designed to be his prey. That's why we feel so confused.
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That's one of the most thought provoking questions I've ever heard. Very good. I bet no one here in defense of God can truthfully answer your question either. I'm sure they'll say predictable things like, "You are able to question it because he is testing you," which we all know is BS. Anyway, I'm very sad about Aaliyah. She was lovely in both personality and talent.
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that I believe the way to spell cat is c-a-t, will you disagree because that is what most everyone else says is true? If someone who speaks a language other than English is asked to label a picture of a domestic feline, they will used different letters than I do but the result will be the same. We will have both spelled cat. Even if you disagree with something and see it differently than others, it is not necessary to put them down to express yourself. I do agree with the God is testing us BS. That is just how I see it.____Bee
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My question is... how in the world does the fact that we question God indicate that God wouldn't exist? Is the implication that God would never stand for a human being having doubts about Him and therefore make us incapable of doubting? And in response to the question, AllUCanLove is right... we have free will. (Well, depending on who you ask.) We have the will to question anything and everything, including the very God/creator/"force" (not in the Star Wars sense) that gave us that will. There's simply no reason that our questioning would disprove or negate God's existence. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
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Hey man, just thought I'd post again to help you out with what seems to be a certain phobia you have about flying. Let me start off by saying I am a first officer for a airline based in Minneapolis (won't mention the name, but we are the fourth largest airline in the world), so you can safely assume that I know a little bit about aircraft. Let me say again, I am writing this to help you (and others who don't like to fly), not to bust your chops. An airplane is the safest mode of transportation your ever going to find. Do accidents happen? Sure they do, but it is a fact that driving down the freeway is much more dangerous than flying. General aviation aircraft do have a higher accident rate than airliners do, but they are still safer than cars. Another tidbit to chew on, when an aircrafts engine quits a properly loaded two or more engine aircraft should be able to continue flying with one engine inoperative. There are also these appendages on the aircraft called wings. If all your engines quit running (which has never happend in modern recorded history on any airliner that I am aware of...) you still have wings! Airplanes don't plummet out of the sky like rocks when thier engines quit, they glide. Yes people airplanes can glide. They don't plummet, they glide. I have personally had a single engine airplanes engine fail shortly after takeoff because the A&P Mechanic that last serviced it, forgot to tighten the oil plug. It vibrated out, I lost oil, I lost the engine, and I landed safely in a corn field. I didn't plummet into the ground trailing a monsterous fireball behind me. There is only one thing that scares pilots, and thats an inflight fire. An engine fire is nothing, but an inflight cabin fire will send a chill up even the most grizzled veteran pilots spine. So to sum it up airplanes are safe people. Aircraft have triple redundant systems now days. Pilots go through the most meticulous training programs you will ever find, we are an extremely well trained group. I realize that phobias are irrational and nothing I say will probably make a damn bit of difference, but maybe it will help somewhat? I think for most people it's not the flying so much as it is they are not in control, someone else is behind the wheel and that makes people uncomfortable. Oh, and commenting on the crash. It would be irresponsible for me to say I for sure know what caused it, but here is my guess: The aircraft had an engine failure just at rotation. Due to asymetrical thrust and delayed, poor or improper pilot technique the aircraft rolled over and impacted the surface near the end of the runway. Improper loading, weight distribution (C.G.) and temperature (density altitude), may have been contributing factors. Fact is, if the engine failed, they should have been able to continue to climb out (at a reduced rate of climb) and return safely to the airport after engine failure. I think you will see pilot error, along with the above mentioned contributing factors listed when the NTSB report comes out a few months from now.
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I *am* dead. I'm certain of it. He's right.
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Ok, so...entertainers are more valuable than other people? Wtf? Lots of people die tragically every day folks. Open your eyes. Just because she sang doesn't mean she was more important than anyone else. Anytime someone dies this way it's tragic. Btw, stop acting like you knew her.
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I've given a lot of thought to all your posts in this topic board, and while a good deal of what you say is highy valid, I can't completly agree with your view on religion or your no God theory. My brother is highly religious in the christian faith, and I offer similar points that you said in your post. I can't explain, but I believe their's a God, and it's not what I was taught or brainwashed, but this inner fealing that I've gotten more than once. I can't and won't believe that this glorious universe, this Earth, the way it supports life, and how a all things are codependent upon one another. The way things work in harmony, the warmth of the Sun, the complexity of life, the emotion and power of LOVE, how can you not believe. Just think about it, looking past religious beliefs, how did creation come into being? Look how things work, just the way the earth supports life! Contrary to the Big Bang Theory all of this we see around us did not simply exist from nothing. No one can tell me that the Earth, the Sun, this universe came from nothing, and even if the big bang happened, where did this energy, and matter come from? It didn't come from nothing, or maybe it came from something else changing form, like the burning paper? A big explosion from a single mass of matter and energy created Suns, Planets that spurs life, even down to the tiniest insect or how life reproduces, a birth of a baby, the beauty of a red rose is a little to attentive to detail for me. I believe a conscious force that came to be known as God is responsible, but is not what its made out to be by man. I think God created things to be self sufficeint, and put a natural order of evolution into play. I do agree that those in power used religion as a form of control over the populace, and that the Bible, while based off some truth, has too been altered for the convience on control and to impose someone else's moral beliefs on people. I believe that people have a right to worship, and that God may have allowed worship as a means of thankfulness, but in many different interpretations. This is a debate that I have had with my brother, and something that has bothered me about faith. How can people say what religion is the right one
when you have people in different parts of the world that have different beliefs in faith? How can a christian tell a native to a South American tribe for example that the different gods they worship is not right? How can someone say that Buhdism(I know it's not spelled right) that the majoriy of Asians practice isn't right? Does this mean that since they don't practice the Christian or Catholic faith they are going to hell? People grow up with different beliefs, and faiths, and not one is the right one. I think all the different forms of religion somehow connect to the same divine force, and one wasn't meant to be better or more right than the other, but man has used it for what it wasn't intended for. -
I strongly believe in freedom of religon, speech, privacy, etc. and came to the conclusion that god(s) is/are God, no matter what He is named. Even ancient civilizations, from sophisticated to primitive, had a religious system in place and when there was more than one god, a dominant figure took precedence over the other lesser gods. How different is that from God, Jesus, and the disciples?____I believe in God, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, and The Big Bang Theory. How do I reconcile these supposedly contradictory explanations of our creation and existence? Easy. Our "days" are not the same as God's "days. While the earth is millions of years old, perhaps, on God's calendar, it is only August of year 1 or 2. God created the earth translates into The Big Bang Theory. God's creation of man is explained by Darwin. The very existence of the earth and the fact that it can support life is a miracle. To me, it is no coincidence that all the necessary elements were in place and it happened the way it did.____Bee
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I think part of what you said about things being put into motion that lead Aaliyah's death has some truth to it. I hear people go on how it was her time, or that God decided her work here was done. I don't believe that God would strike people down the way its so often said, not while their are people that do so much evil on this world are still walking around. The cause of this crash was the fault of the charter company, for not having a properly trained pilot, and the FAA for not enforcing safty codes, and making sure that these companies that are hauling around human lives have pilots that are supposed to be there. This pilot wasn't even supposed to be flying that plane. How was he allowed to still work when he was arrested 12 days ago for possision of cocaine, and not to mention he had a case dealing with stolen airplane parts. He was new to the job, and maybe he wasn't sure to the seriousness of weight, and when the plane malfunctioned he wasn't properly trained to deal with the sitution and it resulted in his death, and Aaliyah and the other people aboard was victims because of this. Although I hate to say it a small amount of the blame goes to Aaliyah and her record company. She was on a tight schedual, she was shooting two videos back to back for her album, she had to be in Australia next week to start work on the Matrix, and her and the crew finished early and was heading back to the Miami to shoot the second video, and everything was rushed, and they wanted to leave earlier, and this charter company was proberly what was available at the time. I think poor choices were made do to time restraints, and it lead to this situation. We all have made mistakes and acted to hastly do to time restrictions. Just two years ago I was so overloaded with projects, and traveling while attempting to move at the same time that when the reptuable moving company I hired called to cancel and reschedual, but do to my time restraint I called another company that I couldn't check out, and now I live with the choice I made everyday because I lost everthing of value that day just as Aaliyah unfortunatly lost her life.
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Aug 30, 2001 1:16:12 PM CDT
Huneybee that is a great summary and perspective on God, The Big
by the founder
I thank you for it. I believe one day man will find the answer that connects science, god, and religion together, but until then debates over this subject will be endless.
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that we are sitting in an darkened, empty theater? I can pratically hear the echo of our voices as I read.____Bee
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Aug 31, 2001 6:14:32 PM CDT
JonBoy, the only thing Darwin would chuckle about here is the sh
by submersible
Why don't you try actually reading something about the guy?
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Aug 31, 2001 6:15:43 PM CDT
JonBoy, the only thing Darwin would chuckle about here is the sh
by submersible
Why don't you try actually reading something about the guy?
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Both times ;). And kudos to everyone here who paid their respects to the dead without whining that SHE WAS NOBODY SPECIAL, SHE'S JUST A SINGER, IF SHE HAD BEEN SMARTER THE PLANE WOULDN'T HAVE CRASHED, BLAH BLAH, BLAH. If any of you jerks ever lose a loved one, I wonder how you'll feel if anyone says, "Why should we be sorry? After all, the deceased was just a housewife or waitress or what have you, and she killed herself by smoking too many cigarettes or eating too much junk food, or whatever. Good riddance."
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