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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Okay, here's the deal. Miramax did a coast-to-coast sneak tonight for JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, and we're getting buried under an avalanche of reviews. I'm going to start posting as many as I can, in the order received, as soon as I get back from dinner. There's a maximum size to how big an AICN article can be, and I'll keep posting them until I run out of room on this particular form. After that, we're full up. Go have your baby Jesus in someone else's barn.
First up, a glimpse into... The Infinite.
Hey, Harry. The Infinite here, world's only two-time undefeated iRCW champion
and wrestling's Last Boyscout (which goes to show my taste in movies) here. Just
got back from JASBSB, and hoping my proximity to the theater lets me get in an
early review for people who are waiting in line, hoping to see the best Keven
Smith movie ever, with hard-earned money in their pocket. You see, as a true
good guy, I feel it is my duty to warn these people...
Do not, under any circumstances, leave to go the bathroom. If you do, you'll
miss something. Doesn't matter what, it's all good. This is Kevin Smith's
funniest movie to date. It realizes that it's just one long joke, and so it does
what it's meant to do. And it does it damn well. This is the movie everyone's
been waiting for... a single movie that ties Dogma, Chasing Amy, Mallrats, and
Clerks together I don't think the crowd went more than thirty seconds without a
laugh. Unless there was cheesecake on the screen. Which there was from time to
time. Give the movie an emmy nod for costuming. When you see it, you'll know
what I mean.
Without giving away spoilers, it's hard to tell people just how damn funny this movie is. Let me just say this: If you walked out of South Park, don't bother with JASBSB. If you've ever seen a Kevin Smith movie, go see this. If you hate Kevin Smith, but have ever posted anything in AICN's talkback, go see this movie. If you're a stoner, go see this movie. Then turn yourself in to the cops. Drugs are bad, kids. Take your vitamins.
The only downsides of the movie: It's length (The movie's about 90 minutes...
personally, I like my movies longer... there had to be more jokes to put in
there somewhere), and the fact that it is, quite probably, the last Jay and
Silent Bob movie. But let's hope Smith keeps doing comedy, because he mails
every joke and pegs every satire in the film. I count it as well worth my eight
bucks (fifteen after soda and popcorn) to go see. Hopefully, everyone else will
too. Snoogans.
Then "L" popped in with a few observations:
Just saw a sneak peak of J&SB in Washington, DC. Here is my quick take on
the movie. It was funny, but not hilarious. Good, but not great. As everyone
knows right by now the movie is about Jay and Silent Bob's trip to Hollwood
to stop the making of the Blunt Man & Chronic movie so all the talk backers
won't say nasty things about them on the net. Its a funny enough concept, but
the problem with the movie is it takes Jay & Silent Bob to long to actually
get to Hollywood. Once they do, the movies pace really picks up.
Unfortunately, there is only a half hour left of the movie at this point.
Along the way they get involved in a silly diamond caper involving 4 female
thieves and a monkey. I won't go into further detail, but this part of the
movie really drags. The funniest moments are all the cameos (3 of the stars
of American Pie 2 have cameos) involving the stars of the past View Askew
movies and especially the Good Will Hunting 2 scene with Matt Damon and Ben
Affleck.
I know this is his last View Askew movie and that is a good thing because
Kevin Smith seems a little bored with the concept. Jay and Silent Bob worked
great in such movies as Clerks and Chasing Amy for the simple fact that they
weren't the main characters in the movie. They appeared every once in while
as comic relief to great effect. In Dogma and this movie they were given more
screen time and as the old saying goes, you can have to much of a good thing.
Oh well. The movie was still enjoyable. I will look forward to seeing what
Kevin Smith will do now that he is going into new territory. I can't wait to
see what he will do with Fletch. Heres to hoping that Jason Lee is cast as
Fletch. So to wrap this up, J&SB is fun, but Kevin Smith has yet to make a
movie better then Chasing Amy.
You can call me L
Mr. Light chimed in with:
Hey Harry, call me Mister Light if ya need to. Long time reader, first time
poster. I'm a big fan! Saw the advanced screening of JAY AND SILENT BOB
STRIKE BACK today, don't know if you're interested in a review for a movie
coming out a week from now but here goes...
First of all I'm a huge Kevin Smith fan. I think CLERKS and DOGMA are the
best ones, AMY is good if a little melodramatic for my tastes, MALLRATS is
the weakest but still very enjoyable. I'd have to put JAYBOB above AMY,
though quality wise it isn't, but it's more entertaining that's for sure. I
suppose no movie lives up to hype, and I was expecting a little more from the
film even though I think was great. As it was, it was 'Kevin Smith does a
Road Film' and I was hoping for a lot more View Askew crossovers, which were
criminally underdone but still the best bits of the movie. I was
particularly hoping for *a lot* more Dante and Randall, and a lot more Jason
Lee, as Bankie and Brodie. Oh well.
So: great very funny road movie starring Jay and Silent Bob (do they warrant
a movie themselves? It's iffy but they carry it off). All the cameos are
great, all the jokes are funny, etc, etc. The jewel thief chicks were very
hot and very funny (FAITH! and Shannon Elizabeth is charming for the first
time I've ever seen). I dunno if I buy a Jay-Elizabeth romance though... The
Hollywood stuff was good as well, though the movie parodies were too blatant
for my tastes, it didn't feel like Kevin Smith. Especially that whacked-out
lightsaber fight- where did that come from?!
It's a real shame this is the final View Askew film because it didn't resolve much of anything from all the previous movies as I'd hoped, and it didn't feature the previous characters nearly as much as I'd like. But it's
probably the best Road Movie I've seen outside of Blues Brothers (not the
greatest genre in the world), and it IS Kevin Smith. So it's highly recommended, regardless of its faults. And for the record it was 97 minutes
before they went to plain vanilla credits.
And our last reviewer of Round One is a guy called... Bastion.
Hey Harry, I'm writing in with yet another Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
review. I've read your site for a few years now, and I've finally been given
a sneak preview of a movie of interest. If ya use this here review, just call
me Bastion.
So I read in the paper this morning that J&SBSB is getting a sneak peak at
three, count 'em, three, local theaters. This being Delaware, where the most
exciting thing we have goin' on is being near New Jersey, I was quick to the
theater to reserve 2 two tickets for a friend and I. Wasn't necessary, as the
theater was hardly full around the 7:30 showtime. I'll break the movie down
into parts.
Visuals
I think, as many do, that this is Smith's glossiest film yet in terms
of visual finesse. We have a dynamic camera in many parts, and for the
kinetic energy of Jay, this works very well. The costumes are all there,
although this is no Amadeus. It's good to see the familiar locals of the New
Jersey films, like the Quick Stop, etc. The familiar faces help as well.
There area ton of neat sight gags (like Jay and Silent Bob running through
the Miramax lot, where there is apparently a Daredevil movie being filmed as
well). To keep this short, the J&SBSB is easy on the eyes, especially with
those hot girls in there. It mixes the styles of all of Smith's previous
films into a cohesive whole that just looks great and works very well.
Audio
The music in this film was great. Smith's selection of tunes is up
there with Ritchie in many ways; the music is so very awesome and so very
appropriate. And the song that closes the film is fuckin' hilarious. I've
never seen an entire audience stay for the whole of the credits. While not as
refined as music in, say, a Wes Anderson flick, Smith's taste works well,
probably because the music he and Jason Mewes listened to growing up and
doing the crazy shit J&SB do is what's in the film. The bass riffs and
assorted sound effects work well, and keep the film light and speedy.
The Rest
Well, I'm getting long winded here, so let's just wrap this thing up.
The movie was a joy. I knew it was gonna be funny, but it was pretty much
nonstop. It had so many in jokes from the Smith-, comic book-, Star Wars-,
and internet subcultures that it simply demands to be viewed again. While
some of Smith's films may be better overall, J&SBSB is the most energetic and
consistent in the humor department.
~Bastion
Ahhhh... a damn fine meal with good friends, a wee bit of a movie with my girlfriend before she falls asleep, and the whole time, you've been filling the e-mail inbox with even more glimpses at J&SBSB. Let's run through a few more, shall we?
First up, there's Daedalus:
Hey Harry. I just got back from a sneak preview of Jay & Silent Bob Strike
Back and I’m chiming in with my review.
I am a Kevin Smith fan (and that might be a factor in why I like this movie
so much). I did a KS marathon before going to the theater so that I could
catch all the references possible, and that ended up working greatly to my
benefit.
This movie is unbelievably funny. The only time I wasn’t laughing was when I
was catching my breath between jokes, and I was barely given enough time to
do that. There is so much stuff to process here that J&SBSB warrants an
extra viewing because no human being could possibly catch all of the jokes,
references and cameos.
A word on the cameos. Anybody who wants to trash this movie will likely say
the following: “Smith is just trotting people he knows in front of the
camera just to show that he has connections in Hollywood. Bitch bitch bitch,
whine whine whine, etc.” I personally had a very good time playing “spot the
cameo”. KS even knows when to make fun of himself a bit on this subject (no
spoilers in this review, but it’s printed in big colorful letters).
Back to the humor. The reason why this movie is so funny is that 90% of the
jokes are in-jokes. If Smith didn’t refer to his other movies so much,
J&SBSB would not be nearly as funny as it is. My suggestion is that before
one goes to this movie, they should have all of Smith’s films fresh in
memory. It makes the movie so much more enjoyable. KS also knows just the
right time to make fun of himself.
Another piece of advice for viewers: stay until the end of the credits.
Trust me. The laughs don’t stop until the lights come up.
Call me Daedalus.
Then the Bad Lieutenant pulled us over and did something nasty on the side of the car...
First off let me say I am in the minority as I liked Mallrats the best
out of all of Kevin Smith's films. Clerks was alright, but quite amateurish.
Chasing Amy was self-indulgent tripe and Dogma lacked any and all courage of
its convictions. But I do love Jay and Silent Bob so I was really looking
forward to this film. I was hoping the preview was so bad because all the
good jokes were too dirty for the trailer--I was dead wrong.
There is really nothing too good about this movie. It feels tired 10
minutes in. The jokes are flat and obvious. Kevin Smith writes that internet
geeks don't get laid. Wow, that's a real original thought--is it supposed to
be funny? It's amazing how bothered Smith is by fanboys on the internet. And
Chris Rock making racist jokes about stupid white boys--I don't know who
wrote thiseither way it is lazy and completely unfunny. It
was second rate black comedian humor (think Simpsons-"Black guys drive like
this...white guys drive like this") Will Ferrell is wasted and got nary a
laugh. The bullshit Charlie's Angels rip stops the movie cold. No one in the
theatre was laughing, and the actresses were trying way too hard, especially
Ali Larter, who seems to be picking worse and worse rolls after a good
showing in Final Destination.
All in all the movie was a huge disappointment, with hardly any weed
humor and a boring, stupid action sub-plot. Surprising considering how good
the Jay and Silent Bob comic was. Why Smith did not just adapt this is beyond
me. And he is so obviously jealous of Paul Thomas Anderson--jealous of his
budgets and the fact his "ultra-personal" script for Magnolia got nominated
for an Oscar. Smith could have made a balls out down and dirty drug filled
raunch fest but instead he gives us this safe nonsense. Once Smith put a
disclaimer on Dogma he really has shown what a complete ass he is, not even
taking into account all his bold statements that he seems to have to retract
constantly. Jay and Silent Bob is further proof of how Smith takes it way too
safe.
--Bad Lieutenant
The Stolen Recognizer was on the spot in Toronto, and sent in a fairly hefty look at the flick:
Greetings, Program.
I'm transmitting from a stolen Recognizer, having just returned from
Toronto's Advance Sneak of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. I wanted to
extend my thoughts on the film... though at this point many people will
likely have already had the chance to see it. And in fact, I suspect (and
to save you time, will *conclude*) that most people will have already made
up their minds to see it. With respect to recommending (or not) this movie,
*If you like Kevin Smith's films, see it*. *If you don't like Kevin Smith's
films, see it only if you want to build up a powerful inner rage*. And *if
you don't know Kevin Smith's films, rent "Clerks", "Mallrats", "Chasing Amy"
and maybe "Dogma" before you see "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back".
---WHAT THE MOVIE IS
Ostensibly, this is the last "View Askew" (ie. Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing
Amy, Dogma (kinda) and JSB) film... and it's clear that Kevin Smith had no
intention of maturing as a filmmaker in this enterprise. This is fortunate,
as we're spared the pretension that has innundated all but the lightest of
popcorn flicks in the past 8 months. What we get, instead of a
well-considered polemic about the thoughtless criticism of honest artistic
efforts (and perhaps, conversely, thoughtless acceptance of crappy schlock)
is some tension-relieving stupidity and the man Jay saying "Fuck" from the
first 45 seconds of the movie until it stops resounding in our heads hours
later.
I've been a fan of Smith since I saw Clerks, and I'm a pop-culture addict,
and I read AICN Talkback, and so I feel that I was in Smith's targeting
reticle, as it were, for this movie's humour. It was funny, largely. There
are times when Jay makes you cringe more than he makes you laugh... there
were times when this movie made me roll my eyes more than it made me give up
the props.
---STUFF THAT WASN'T SO GREAT
The sticking point for me was the movie's reliance on celebrity cameos to
elicit laughs. Where Mallrats derived its strength from things like Jay and
Silent Bob's meticulous planning of shenanigans (And we dance on the ruins
of the stupid stage!), JSBSB would ask us to laugh at (UNNAMED DIRECTOR)
simply appearing in the movie, acting distracted by (UNNAMED PROPS). The
problem is that we *know* that Kevin Smith is famous now. If we saw Kevin
or Jason Mewes on the street, we'd likely react to them the way we'd react
to someone like (UNNAMED SUCCESSOR TO LENNY BRUCE'S COMIC SOCIAL CRITICISM)
or (UNNAMED SPELLING/STAR STARLET). So it's not always terribly funny to
find out that Kevin Smith can convince these famous people to be in his
movie. It's occasionally effective, most noticeably when they take the piss
out of their "celebrity image". But that's not much of a sacrifice when
their own recent films haven't been particularly successful or audacious.
We'd make fun of them too.
Also, hot as Shannon Elizabeth was, I didn't feel like she was doing much
more than recite stock "romantic interest" verbiage. Reminiscent of Heather
Graham's performance as Felicity Shagwell... very pretty, but you feel that
they had little idea of what was going on comedically or dramatically. But
again, let me repeat the proviso that this movie was not made with such
things as "artistic ambition" in mind. Elizabeth was quite good in her
character's role as a (JOB THAT HER CHARACTER DID)... just, her stuff with
Jay never really came off the page. You could tell that the actress was
having fun, though.
---STUFF THAT WAS SO GREAT
Yo, Mewes carries a whole film on his shoulders. He was essentially the
star of Dogma too, wherein Fiorentino (like Shannon Elizabeth in JSBSB) was
in a slightly different movie than the one Kevin Smith was directing.
Except this part is the positives, so let's just say that even when Mewes is
bad, he's good. He's Jay! If you don't like Jay, you should be watching
Magnolia.
Also, Kevin Smith did something egregiously difficult: he made me enjoy
watching Will Ferrell. Ordinarily I find him hard to take... the "Swimming
Cheerleader" routine on SNL was horrifying to me, and though "Celebrity
Jeopardy" remains one of my favourite SNL skits in recent memory, I owe that
to the work of Darrell Hammond and Jimmy Fallon more than to Ferrell, who
didn't do anything remotely resembling an Alex Trebek impression. Still, in
his role as The Marshall, he's pretty sharp in this film... his reactions
are effective and his lunacy is in the right milieu for it to shine.
"Gay Jokes" -- this is a touchy topic, since you know this movie will be
rife with humour related to the subject of homosexuality and, subtextually,
homophobia. It's immaturely handled, though that's its prerogative (and
it's certainly no excuse). One must realize that, as Jay almost acts as
this movie's narrative voice, the movie's not going to be "My So-Called
Life" or "Chasing Amy". Still, since I hope that people will ground
themselves in Smith films before seeing this, hopefully they'll realize that
the man's got a grip on reality and is making no attempt to ridicule a group
based on their sexual preferences. A disclaimer in the copious credits will
attest to this.
Finally, this movie was a fun game of "Where's Waldo" with respect to
celebrity hunts and View Askew references.
---CONCLUSION
The Advance Screening was not as densely packed as I'd anticipated. To all
appearances, it was largely Smith Diehards. That said, there was continuous
laughter from the audience (though my own was a bit more sparse), with some
applause. It's a movie for Smith Diehards. They have served their master
well, and will be rewarded.
If you'll excuse me, I have a lightcycle race to disrupt. Hoist the jolly
roger, matey.
Stolen Recognizer
Look out! Here comes Boinks!!
Hey Harry!
This is my first movie review, so please forgive me if this sounds extremely
stupid.
I caught one of the many sneak preview screenings of "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back" tonight. Honestly, I have never laughed so hard in my entire life. I am a long time Kevin Smith fan, and, laugh for laugh, this is his funniest yet. The cameos were terrific, the comedy was in peak condition, and the slapstick was at it's slappiest.
I don't want to give too much away for those who havn't been reading spoilers on this film, but I must say that no one should get up to go to the bathroom at all...DON'T EVEN BLINK! Every frame of this film is pure comedy.
At the end, realizing that the film was the last of Kevin's wonderful Jersey
series, which are almost a genre unto themselves by now, almost brought a
tear to my eyes. If I hadn't been laughing so hard, that is.
A word of advice: Stay until the credits are completely finished rolling.
You'll be pleasantly surprised. I for one will see this movie again, and again, and again.
That's about it.
Sincerley,
Boinks.
In an e-mail titled "Hand Me That Robot, Sparky," Ghostchamber piped up to add in his feelings on the film...
Hey Harry,
Sorry about the subject line, it was just a ploy to get you to read
this email. That's horribly pathetic of me, but I was hoping to nab at your
curiosity. Anyway, just got back from a sneak preview of Jay & Silent Bob
Strike Back and figured I'd chime in with my review.
Basically, the plot everyone should know by now. The peas in a pod
find out through an old friend named Brody that there's a movie being made
based on the popular Bluntman & Chronic comic book series. Of course, Jay &
Bob are angered by this because they don't think they're getting any money
out of it, seeing as how they hadn't heard anything prior. So, they head
off on a road trip to Hollywood to seek out Banky Edwards, the owner of the
franchise (Holden sold his rights to Banky).
The simple plot serves as sort of a vessel for a plethora of the most
immature humor that can be attained in modern cinema. And, I tell you, I
loved every minute of it. It seems to be crafted for the Kevin Smith
fanboys, which may not ensure a huge commercial success but will at least
deliver what it is supposed to.
I love the fact that Kevin can touch up on more serious topics, like
from Dogma and Chasing Amy. I also love that he can take a step back to his
roots and make one of the silliest comedies to hit the screens this year.
The audience seemed to agree, as the laughter was roaring almost constantly.
It's the same group of actors (kinda feels the Aronofsky or P.T.
Anderson effect), reprising roles from the previous films (Jason Lee
doubling as Banky and Brody, Ben Affleck for Holden and himself). It was
nice to revisit Dante and Randall's bickerings in Quick Stop, as well as
Brody and his comic books.
My one problem is that I feel Kevin Smith's direction lacks visual
appeal. This didn't really hinder my opinion of the film, because it is a
GREAT comedy. However, I still think he needs to work on setting up shots
that can grab the eye. His writing is dead-on-fantastic (as always), and
the comedy is perfectly timed and executed. Jason Mewes is fantastic as
usual, and Kevin's over-the-top facial expressions as Silent Bob make for
some serious gut-laughter. I just wish it was a bit more to look at.
Kevin still remains one of my favorite filmmakers, though. Besides,
does anyone really go to a comedy for eye-candy? I certainly didn't, I just
notice these things. It's great fun, and does exactly what it should.
But hey, what do I know? I liked Magnolia. :)
-Ghostchamber
Any self-respecting stoner knows the great stoner characters in film history, and if you don't know our next reviewer, Slater, then you need to go to the video store immediately. I'd tell you what film he was in... but I'm sooooo wasted...
I don't know if you need another J&SBSB review, but I don't really care either. Living in the barren State of Kansas, the Utter Asshole of America, I never get a chance to send in scoops or news, and I'm not about to pass up the shallow boner I'll get from seeing my name in print just because you're deluged with reviews. Besides--I want to see all the insults that the little Talkback fucks dredge up for me.
No spoilers, either.
To put in bluntly (and sweet buttered Christ, you'd better believe that there's no pun intended there), this is more than the funniest movie of the year. It's also more than the BEST movie I've seen this entire year. This is the best comedy of the last decade, and quite possibly the funniest movie I've
ever seen in my life. Funnier than Blazing Saddles, Caddyshack, Ghostbusters, Dumb and Dumber, Some Like It Hot, South Park, Groundhog Day, The 'Burbs,
Breakfast Club, Spaceballs and Airplane. The only movie which comes even remotely close to "Jay and Silent Bob"'s laugh ratio is "Monty Python and the
Holy Grail."
Strong words? You bet your sweet ass. And let me say right now, straight off the bat, that most of the aforementioned are definitely BETTER movies, many of them with smarter scripts, better direction, better acting, etc. You're not going to find the socio-political ideologies of Python here, or the daring, boundary-pushing comedic techniques of classic Brooks, Allen or Zucker here. But, let's face it--if you go into a comedy expecting any of those things,
you're probably an anal-retentive fuck to begin with. You have my pity, and my mocking laughter.
Nah, all you'll find in "Jay and Silent Bob" is laughs. A shitload of them. I drove all the way across this goddamn state to find a theater with a
sneak preview (indoor plumbing would have been nice also, you sister-slurping shitheads), and I drove the entire way back with a huge grin plastered across my
face. At this moment, four or so hours after the film ended, my face is literally aching from smiling too much. It's been years since I've been able to say that.
Is the movie perfect? No, of course not. There's one or two jokes that are painfully awkward, and a lot of casual viewers aren't going to get all of the
references to past flicks. So be it. As it stands, the film is funny for almost two solid hours, with fantastic performances from every single actor, a few of the best cameos I've ever seen before, a huge chunk of brilliant and subtle satire mixed in with the prediliction for dick and fart jokes, and the single best movie-going experience I've had since "Fight Club".
And, basically, the reason I'm writing this review in the first place is that I'm hoping it gets printed and I'm hoping that Kevin Smith is reading this right now. If so, then Kevin: Thank you so much--not only for this film, but for all of the joy and inspiration that a struggling young writer with a heavy appreciation for the word "fuck" has gotten from your work over the last decade. Thanks.
Slater
HOLY SHIT!! WHAT'S THAT THING ON MY SHOULDER!?? Oh... jeez... maybe I shouldn't have smacked him. Looks like he's wearing... a top hat... on a bug... and what's this in his hand? Oh, crap, it's a review from Jiminy Cricket...
Hey Harry. I'm here with a look at Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, one of what I'm sure is a slew of such reviews that you're getting tonight. Ah, that was beautiful. This movie is simply a continuous series of scenes putting Jay and Silent Bob into various situations as we get to watch how they respond. I would start listing them, but that would totally spoil the movie. What's amazing is that this is all the movie needs to be fantatically fun, because the two characters are just so strong and distinct in the way they do things that they always respond in the right way, and, as they say, hilarity ensues. You might almost say it's a one joke movie, because there's Jay yapping away in that way that only Jason Mewes can do, and Silent Bob doing his great facial reactions, with the occasional verbal outburst of something fabulously funny in
they way that only Kevin Smith can do. It ought to be predictable, it ought to never work, but it totally does. Plus, we get to have a little reunion with almost every character that has ever been in a Kevin Smith film, which is simply amazing that he continues to be able to get them all to keep coming back. And, of course, there's the "guess the cameo" game that we get to play
throughout the film. Just make sure you applaud when Mark Hammil appears.
There's only a couple of things I'd be a little critical about. The first is that I don't know how a non-Kevin Smith fan would react to it. With this being the 4th Kevin Smith film that I saw today, I suppose I can safely say that I'm a fan (as was most of the audience), so I don't quite know if it would be nearly as funny if you haven't seen his other films, because they're just so many references to them. Plus, I imagine it would be a little confusing to see Jason Lee and Ben Affleck both play two different characters, which was so cool to see for those of who got it, but might not work for the rest of the world. You can totally tell that Kevin Smith made this film for his fans, which is great because sometimes it seems like a lot of filmmakers nowadays don't respect their fans as much as they should (coughlucascoughspielberg). If you're already a Kevin Smith fan, there's no way you won't like this movie, but if you're not, I'm not convinved it will make you one. Anyhoo, my other little problem is that there was simply not enough Jason Lee. I love Jason Lee. He has such great attitude with everything he says that he belongs for all time in Kevin Smith films, but he also has some ability to make all his characters different in a way that I really don't understand but absolutely adore. He needed to be around more. Now, I suppose I can accept that with so many characters who we needed to see a bit in this movie, we can only get each one for so long. Still, he's great when he is there, and damn if everyone else isn't too.
I'm your Con, I'm your Science. Yes, I'm...
Jiminy Cricket
p.s. Make sure you stay through the credits, because the song that's played is...well...it's just perfect, and because there's a nice little touch at the very end, as View Askew comes to a close.
The Eternal Marlowe is also on the case:
But what the hell.
Call me The Eternal Marlowe.
When an artist with an established following says he's doing "One for the
fans," you'll sometimes find that he has little understanding of who those fans are or little regard for their taste. Such exercises are often lazy rehashes of the artist's own better work, Kevin Smith has made this movie for his fans, and, thank Alanis, it turns out that he has quite a bit of repsect for our intelligence, wit, and love for movies, his and everybody else's.
Though there are some moments you suspect represent the seventy-eighth or
senventy-ninth take of a piece of tricky dialogue, Jason Mewes acquits himself pretty admirably in this movie, and it's a good thing, too, because if he tanks, all the Hollywood in-jokes and cameos in the world won't save the film. For me, he worked, so I thoroughly enjoyed it. He mugs, yes, but he also emotes and tries very hard to bring some growth to the Jay character. Smith's script also forced the character to change, even if just a little.
My favorite comedies are often box-office bombs because I admire movies in which everyone involved will do anything it takes to get a luagh, highbrow humor, lowbrow humor, whatever. Mel Brooks used to make movies like that, movies that mixed obvious "see it coming from a mile off" schtick played with utter abandon to surprise "what in the world were they smoking" ninety degree turns. Later, he got lost in the wilderness of parody, unable, it seems until late to find his way back to that merciless barrage of wit and foolishness that got him his start. As a more recent example, _Hudson Hawk_ comes to mind, a movie almost universally reviled by everyone but me and about five of my friends who all own copies, e-mail each other when me make fresh 'discoveries' and laugh until we hurt ourselves. Now I know that I'm probably not doing Brother Smith's cause much good with that particular comparison, but It's meant as a hearty compliment.
This movie drags a little in places, and some of the scenes start off a little clunkingly, but that's more of an unavoidable offshoot of the film's focus on just the two main characters. If you've only got two people to work with, and one of them isn't supposed to talk, you end up with a few awkward moments where a character ends a scene with "Let's go!" immediately followed by the same character saying, "Here we are!" What helps here is the sharp eye Smith last demonstrated in _Chasing Amy_ for the reasons people do the things they do, the human perception that he shows us in the first scene, where the two heroes meet under throughly random circumstances, or just how sad Holden McNeill looks in his ratty little loft sans Amy, sans Banky, Sans fat Bluntman and Chronic payday, sans everything. Mr. Smith's dick and fart jokes are only the the fills and the flourishes in his music. It's these little moments of humans being humans that is the real bass line.
All this I read about this being his last trip into the Askiewniverse saddens me. I want to live in a world with a Hooper X in it, where he might even get his own movie someday, just as I hope Brother Tarantino will do a modern dress remake of Yojimbo with Smauel L. Jackson's Jules Winfield in the Toshiro Mifune role. These are movies I long to see but almost certainly never will. If he feels he's got to move on, then Godspeed, Mr. Smith, and thank you for one last trip to the secret Stash.
All is forgiven.
The Eternal Marlowe
The Thoroughly Modern Genevieve has a crush on Paul Dini. Poor, poor, girl... I had to run her review just out of sympathy for her "condition."
Hi there!
Well, I heard from a very hush hush inside source (ok, an usher who goes to
my school and has a crush on my best friend) that there was a sneak preview
of this newest Kevin Smith film that’s been getting a ton of ‘net press.
Being the caring, understanding, loving, selfless, and stunningly beautiful
(wait a minute—that doesn’t follow the theme! Ah well…) baby sister I am, I
happened to know that all three of my older brothers are big fans of Mr.
Smith. So, obligingly, I notified them and then tagged along for the ride to
Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back. I went mostly because it was bound to be way
funnier than the last movie I saw, “Dying To Dance” (which, I’d like to add,
I watched with a group of ballerinas who during the course of the movie ate
two whole pies, four bags of jumbo potato chips, two large bowls of popcorn,
and about four large pizzas) and, well, because I heard there was a cameo
from Paul Dini, and I love Paul Dini (you’d understand if you saw the size
of my Batman collection--let’s just say that I single handedly support
Sweden through the purchase of easily assembled bookcases).
My thoughts:
I’m afraid I’m not usually a big fan of movies that involve a lot of
swearing, drug jokes, and potty humor—I know, I know, tsk, tsk, Miss
Dillmount—but my feeling is that when I want tons of swearing, drug jokes,
and some of the dirtiest humor I’ll ever hear, I’ll just take my earplugs
out at school. This movie, though, was different. It had tons of those
types of jokes—but they were funny! And they didn’t get on my nerves like
they normally do, helped by the fact that the film didn’t rely solely on
potty humor (coughcoughScaryMoviecoughcough) for laughs and knew when they
were getting tired (coughcoughSNLcoughcough). PLUS, the previews didn’t
give away the whole movie or the funniest jokes—woohoo! I don’t know who
cut the trailers, but some film marketers should be taking notes. A lot of
the inside “Clerk” type jokes went over my head since I haven’t seen the
other Kevin Smith movies, but I managed to pick up on most of them. The
poking fun at Hollywood was hilarious Plus, Mark Hamill uses his Joker
voice—yeay! I almost cheered in the theater then and there (pathetic, I
know).
Any problems? The pre-movie trailers were pathetic--only two! One for Iron
Monkey which I couldn't decipher--was it supposed to be a joke, or to be
taken seriously?, and another that was so bland I've already forgotten it.
With the actual movie? Not really. One or two jokes fell flat for me, but
the rest of the audience was cracking up. I was extremely happy to see the
two of the most annoying young actors in Hollywood get their hineys whooped,
yet alas, Freddie Prinze Jr. was not among them (curses! I had to sit
through Head Over Heels and I demand retribution!).
To summarize: Jay And Silent Bob is no Casablanca, but then again, I fell
asleep during Casablanca and managed to stay awake during the entire
duration of this movie. Out of a possible ten, I’d give it a nine, and
that’s only ‘cause I’m a tough scorer :).
Have a nice day!
- Thoroughly Modern Genevieve
P.S. I forgot, The Others was the last movie I saw with a group of friends,
not “Dying to Dance.” My verdict? Definitely scary (I screamed twice and
totally freaked out the poor guy sitting next to me), but no classic like
Sixth Sense, or, perhaps the best horror film of all time, Wait Until Dark.
Then again, Sixth Sense didn’t give me any nightmares, and I had two after
seeing The Others...
Slash0723 fired off a quickie...
Just came back from the sneak preview of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and I gotta tell you that it was the movie I was waiting all summer for. All the cameos (especially of a certain dog and some meddling kids) and well thought out humor makes this the summer flick we really needed.
Jay and Silent Bob find out that Bluntman and Chronic (their comic book alter egos) are being turned into a movie and are hellbent on getting money for their likenesses, so they head out to Hollywood. On the way there, they meet up with gorgeous animal activists (Shannon Elizabeth, Eliza Dushku, Ali Larter), a wildlife agent (Will Ferrell), and some other cameos that I'd rather not disclose (Just go out and watch it. You'll love it).
The furor that GLAAD has made about it being offensive must be to muster up free publicity, because I saw it as being one thing: JUST A MOVIE!! I support the gay community but this move was not locical in anyway, shape or form. Getting back to the flick, the scene that cracked everyone up in the theater was the Movie Poop-Shoot scene and the responses that the making of the movie brought about (remind anyone of a certain place?). All the subtle humor from the other Askew flicks make the rounds and plenty are well hidden. Keep an eagle's eye out for them all.
There wasn't a thing that felt wrong about this movie. It was filled with laughs from beginning to end and if you're View Askew fan, REJOICE!! If this is the last Jay & Silent Bob flick, then it ends with a bang.
Call me Slash0723
... as did Boo Boo Kitty Fuck...
Just got back from a sneak preview showing of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back in Fullerton, CA. I have to say that the film was funny as hell. The film is about Jay and Silent Bob's likeness being portrayed in a film, Bluntman and Chronic. That doesn't seem to bother them, but being made fun of on the internet does. They get pissed off at being called ball-lickers and cocksuckers. So they decide to go to Hollywood to ruin the movie. They are basically ribbing all those that go to websites like this and other similar to it to critique and criticize films.
Those that have not seen any of the other View Askew films will probably not get the film, but get a few general laughs. However, if you have seen all the previous View Askew films, you will not be disappointed. This film is chock full of cameos from all the films, and even from people that you would never expect to be in the film. And everyone seems to have a good time at poking fun at themselves, especially Ben Affleck, Wes Craven and of course Mark Hamill (who's cameo is the best out of all of them. He had some great lines - "That will teach you to mess with a Jedi master").
Overall, I thought the film was awesome. You will probably have to see the film twice to get all the View Askew in-jokes as they pop out a mile a minute. Unfortunately, the rest of the audience might have as good a time not being in on all the jokes.
3 1/2 out of 4.
... a guy named BobCan...
Mori, Harry, and the rest of the AICN Crew, I don't care what you call him, just don't call me late for dinner HA! ok sorry bad joke there, anyways, Saw jay and Silent Bob tonight at the Warren Theatre in Wichita, and just to let you know I found out about this sneak yesterday afternoon and drove 5 hours across Kansas to see this flick, talk about dedication to see a movie, was it worth a 5 hour drive, I believe it was. J&SBSB is by far the slickest, cleanest looking and yet foulest movie I believe Kev has put out and I enjoyed every second of it. DON NOT Go to the bathroom I did and I regretted the minute or so I was in there. To break it down, the acting was good but nothing real outstanding, a couple of thoughts, Jeff Anderson( Randel) looked like he buffed up a little, I didn't recognize Renee Humphrey at first, has it really been that long since 'Rats? And Joey Lauren looks like she has put on a few pounds (not that there is anything wrong with that).
Call me Bob Can
... and a dude called cartOOn.
Yo, Harry,
I just got back from a preview of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, and I thought I'd share my opinion of it with you. Let me first say that the film is one of the funniest I've seen in quite some time, but those who aren't fans of all the other New Jersey films may be left cold during much of the picture. Simply put, this is a film made for Askewniverse fans, period. If you haven't seen the first four films (Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, and Dogma), rent them, now, before you see this one--because this movie is riddled with inside jokes that only true fans will understand. It would also help to be a fan of genre movies in general (especially Miramax films). If you meet with all the above criteria, this film should knock you out. Helpful hint, make sure you stay for the credits, because there are a few jokes in-store for you guys as well.
Anyhow, if you use this, the name is cart00n. Later!
That's gonna close it out for this whole Saturday cavalcade of reviews. I would say that by this point, you've heard everything you're going to hear about the film. See it if you're interested. Don't see it if you're not. I laughed my ass off. Some people didn't. What more is there to say?
Kev... Miramax... if buzz was what you wanted, then tonight paid off in spades.
"Moriarty" out.
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Aug 18, 2001 8:06:20 PM CDT
The one reason I no longer take KS seriously...SPOILER!!!!!!
by filmstudent_415
Banky and Hooper X. Nuff said.
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not to sound like a kiss ass but the movie was fucking awesome. Kevin compted me some tickets to his charity screening tonight. so i went i a got to sit behind the two greatest minds of out time, mewes and smith. Both are really great guys so go see them on august 24
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Saw it at a sold out theater, and the people were just eating everything up. They'd laugh when they saw what a situation was leading up to, and then they'd laugh again when what they predicted would happen (and laughed at) actually happened? Why? Because, in this movie, even when you see the joke coming, Jay puts a spin on it that makes it fucking hilarious.
I'll be going back to see it when it opens, because I know I missed a ton of jokes when we all were laughing.
This is the funniest View Askew movie yet (though I'd still show Chasing Amy to anyone who asked me to show them Smith's "best film").
*Mini-Spoiler*
One of my favorite lines in the movie was just a dinky little phrase at the end, did you guys all laugh like hell at this?
Will Farrel's Park Ranger: Well, just try not to steal any more monkeys you two.
Jay: Fuck you!
Will: Fair enough.
For some reason this just made me laugh like a banshee, and everyone else in the theater was cracking up with me. So many great little wouldn't-even-be-funny-if-it-wasn't-Jay-saying-it lines in this movie, I know I missed a ton! I'm bringing all my friends to see this one the 24th! -
Went to see the sneak preview tonite, and for some reason the print was all screwed up about 40 minutes in.
It was upside down and the audio was in reverse... i dont know if anyone else had that problem... if they have... let me know im not the only one that didnt get to see all of J&SBSB
did get two free passes for one ticket though.. go back on friday to see it again hopefully :)
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and all I can say is that everyone who thought this movie was gonna suck can eat a bowl of dicks. And if you do think this movie sucks after seeing it, then you're either a liar or a complete idiot.
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I just saw the sneak here in Madtown, Packerland. The theater was about 55-60% full, and everybody stayed until the very end of the credits. I agree, the main song during the credits rocked! I can't wait to download it. I can also tell you that the whole audience cracked at least hmmm...30-50 times or even more whenever a funny part came up. There were so many variations of laughter in the crowd, that I couldn't believe we all were at a movie and not a standup comic joint. Sure, the movie didn't make sense to me, but I got the funny and crazy parts. I can tell you that Shannon Elizabeth played her best part yet, for what I know. I have only seen her in the Pie movies, but here she fits the part of a dorky guy's dream perfectly. I like how she plays Jay's love interest with innocence. The last half hour was insane!! Look out George Lucas, Mark Hamill may make a sequel starring as the saber-wielding cockcrusher(buster..whatever!) Excellent! All of the cameos worked for me, except Carrie Fischer. But all in all, a good movie that talks back smack to the talkbackers. Funnier than a blue hell. It's too bad I am trapped in Cheeseland, otherwise I would come to Hollywood and start writing movie scripts. You are one lucky guy Kevin to be this successful! Check out verbaldart.com in about a month, since I am starting to construct it. I aim to be verbal about everything and anything. I might go see the flick again, otherwise I will wait for the DVD.
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Bluntman & Chronic is the worst comic I ever read. Jay and Silent Bob are stupid characters. A couple of stoners who spout dumb-ass catch-phrases like a third rate 'Cheech and Chong' or 'Bill and Ted'. Fuck Jay and Silent Bob. Fuck them up their stupid asses.
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...This movie fucking rocked! Kevin Smith has done it again, and in my opinion done it better than ever before! WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD!!!From the opening (Jay & Bob's first meeting had me almost falling out of my seat), all the way till the end this move, unlike so many other so called "comedies" this year hits on every single joke. The Scooby Doo sequence had me laughing so hard I cried! Now if only WB makes a Scooby movie like that! Daredevil's cameo was awesome, same with Paul Dini. Jason Biggs I thought had the funniest cameo though ("No matter what I do it always comes back to that fucking pie!"). This flick was just so full of great humor I without a doubt will be viewing it again come next Friday. AND everyone else should too! Let's give Kevin his biggest box office take yet! And the talk-backers stuff? Oh man was that great, GO SEE IT!
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Kevin Smith is fucking god! His boyfriend will win a fucking Oscar for this film! Awesome special effects! Shannon Elizabeth can suck my dick any time! I haven't actually seen the movie, but I just thought I'd make a few of the same comments that will soon pile up as all the "reviews" come in. Miramax fucked up big time with the sneak preview. The entire audience for Kevin's home movie saw it tonight which will pretty much wipe out the opening weekend gross.
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Funniest movie of the year, hands down. Great job, Smith! When the little sign that says applause pops up with Mark Hamill, applaud. TRUST ME. And what can people tell me about this "XM"? Does it go great on crackers? Why is David Bowie so scary? And why do I want an orangutang so badly? Why, because consumer research shows that people love monkeys! BONNGGGGGGG! This has been a Moment with the Coalition for the Liberation of Indemned Tree-Dwellers. Youse blew it up! DAMN YOUSE ALL TO HELLL!!!
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Just got back from the sneak... enjoyed the movie overall, but thought it was quite flawed (the entire jewel theives/romance subplot was forced, way too long, and generally unfunny... as if the very sight of four attractive women in leather was in itself funny for almost 20 minutes all by itself) although most of the film-related satire worked. Alas, I am pissed for I failed to catch the Paul Dini and Daredevil cameos. Can someone please point out where they appeared. Although I know what he looks like, Dini is not someone I would be able to pick out of a crowd. And I did not know to watch for Daredevil. Thanks
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...that "Iron Monkey" trailer. That was supposed to be funny, right? Right? Moment!
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Sorry, I had to post that subject. It's a direct quote from my friend as the credits were rolling. The odd part is he's a die hard Sci-Fi fan, well at least we know he's not joking when he said he might have had a mini-stroke this week....but other than that quote, which caused me to laugh about as much as anything in the movie, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is easily the funniest movie of the last two to three years (it's a gimmie to be the funniest thing this year, obviously). I saw it in a almost packed house in Fort Smith, Arkansas, which says a lot, considering the only local advertisement was a small blurb in the local dirtsheet, er, local newspaper. I know I'll be back on Friday, and everyone else that saw it will too (except for the middle aged couples who unexplicably came in and then got up half-way through the movie). Just one random though before I go, did anyone else think Planet of the Clerks would've done a lot better in theaters than Tim Burton's version?
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SCOOBY DOO great. HEIST pretty good. LUKE pretty good, especially the hand cut off. Not again. Ari Larter real nice. The band at the end great, Chris Rock very funny. But a weak script, lots of great talent squandered (George Carlin, Matt Damon, Jon Stewart, Shannon Elizabeth). Some juicy comments about talkbackers hit the nail on the head. And talking of head... Jay brilliant. Check out my detailed review at the greenlightscafe. Random satire like the Zeta Jones heist movie, THE FUGUTIVE. A second draft script rushed into production. Easy to see why it's closing out the summer movies in the final three weeks. Miramax owe him, but don't know what this movie is
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Overall, straight up, very funny
movie for a fan of KS....pretty
young crowd, about 60% of the
room was filled. Shannon E. was
the bright spot....she should
have a long healthy career ahead
of her if there is any justice.
She oozes charisma every second she is on-screen. I, too, was
disappointed at the lack of
Jason Lee...Affleck gets more
screen time in this movie. Is
it true that one of the thieves is
played by KS's wife?? Looked for
billing on the pony-tailed cutie
but she was the only one not shown
during the end credits...if it IS
her, she shouldn't be so modest;
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the lights dimmed, i sat in eager childlike anticipation. it was like christmas from another time, i felt a great innocence as i the credits began, it seems like only yesterday i saw chasing amy (smith's earlier work (my personal fav.)) as i was saying... "jay and silent bob strike back" was beginning and i was eager to disect and savor every shot. throughout this work i was constantly reminded of something MY filme teacher at SMNU used to say about K. Smith, that being his smooth and constant directorial skill often overshadow his feeble atemps intelligent humorous writing. While still one of picks for top ten this year i have to say i was somewhat confused by this epic (mis)adventure of these too new yorkers. first off the love story left me yearning for the compelling depth of that in chasing amy or mallrats. I wanted smith to dive deep into the passion between Jay and Justice. Buy I was left cold. I am sorry to say it was one of the weakest love stories of the year. Shannon Elizebeth may be an attractive lady but she should go back to making comidies like American Pie 2 and Tomcats. She should stay away from the romance genre.
Things I enjoyed: MATT DAMON WAS HILIARIOUS. I was laughing so hard I dropped my notepad. I left the theatures for a few minutes to regain my thoughts.
Things I didn't like: the cursing got a bit tiring. Seriously kevin we don't need to be bombbarded with the f-word. A PG-13 verison of Jay and Silent would hane been a lot more inviting.
In the end I felt there were too many characters and dialouge.
Hopefully the next Jay and Silent Bob movie will realize the mistakes it this one made.
All in all a very very very funny movie. Ultra laughs from the Ultra film guy. So what do i give it on my scale of 1 through 13. A dead on 5 all the way. Keep it up K.S.
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Bluntman and Chronic and their stupid alter egos Jay and Silent Bob only work in small doses, if at all. They don't deserve their own movie. (Like my chick magnet handle by the way? Wampa-One?)
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Anyone else see in the text at the end of the credits that no homosexuals were harmed in the making of this film? HAHAHAHAHAHA take that GLAAD! Fucking awesome. I'm seeing it again.
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I saw this last Wednesday night with a buddy of mine and we both loved it. The whole audience did. The POTA parody is one of the funniest things I've ever seen(take THAT Tim Burton, you thieving bastard!), Shannn and Eliza were foyne! and Susanne the monkey is one of the coolest movie monkeys of all time. 5 stars, baby!
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Aug 18, 2001 9:53:09 PM CDT
If you're a fan of blowjob jokes, this is your cup of tea...
by darthsnoogans
And what a lovely tea party it is! All I can say is GO SEE IT WITH A SHITLOAD OF KEVIN SMITH FANS. Okay, that's not all I can say. For me, this movie salvaged this wretched dog of a piss-poor summer movie season. And in case youse all think I'm exaggerating, I saw Planet of the Apes the night before. It's like having hospital Jello for a main course followed by the sweetest, richest chocolate cake you can imagine. The blandness of Tim Burton's narcolepsy-inducer just made J&SBSB even better.
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Aug 18, 2001 9:54:42 PM CDT
Hate it when i hit "enter" before I finish my comments
by britainsfinest
I saw J&SBSB in a sold out theatre mostly young crowd. Took my Dad who only saw Dogma and parts of Chasing Amy. He liked it even though he didnt get the referenses to the other movies. I cant wait to see it again on the 24th. Just out of curiousity did anyone else laugh at the preveiw of Iron Monkey? The whole crowd just died laughing at the preveiw.
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Aug 18, 2001 10:00:39 PM CDT
Not the funniest of this year. Or this month. That belongs to Ra
by revsam
Unless you are a View Askew fan (not just an enjoyer of Kevin Smith films), I would suggest you spend money on Rat Race first. Although, they won't really go head to head. I just thought it would be nice to point out: Rat Race= Very, Very, Very Funny, whereas JSBSB= Very funny.
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You can never have too many monkeys in your film, even during the trailers. Although I'm a little disappointed at the lack of monkey masturbation/feces flinging jokes in the movie.
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Just saw a sneak preview of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back in Saint Louis. Wasn't sure I was in the right theater until the movie started. I'm not sure why but there were many youngins in the theater that looked about 12 years old plus some old bitch who looked to be at least 85 in a wheelchair who was holding her ears through the first 15 minutes of the movie. Now to the review. This movie was funny as hell. I have always enjoyed Kevin Smith's work, but I laughed harder at this movie than any of his prior works. Not his best film, but in my opinion his funniest. Many cameos, as probably already noted, by Mark Hammil, Carrie Fisher, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Gus Van Sant, Shannen Doherty, Wes Craven, Judd Hirsch, Chris Rock, and others. Usually a film loaded with cameos is trying to spice up a movie which really sucks, but the cameos in JASBSB only add to an already hilarious film that was blessed with the greatest comedy duo of the summer. To be honest this is the only film I saw this summer which did not dissapoint me: a la the last 20 minutes of A.I. I laughed from the very first frame til the very last. The only thing that upsets me is the fact that i can't see this movie again until next weekend.
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All right, the movie was o.k. I laughed a few times, especially at the incomparable Jason Mewes and the always dependable Will Ferrell. But all the stupid Hollywood humor makes Smith look like a geek, and not in a good way. And thank God for this interweb where we can voice our opinions and say that Kevin Smith's movies eat donkey shit. I know it was "all in good fun," but the end sequence was a little much. A better movie than Dogshit uh Dogma, but not nearly as funny as the previous three films. Just be funny, Kevin. The characters are funny, we don't need a dumb, half-baked plot. have some balls, you're funny. You don't need to make fun of yourself. All the gay jokes did make me laugh and didn't offend anyone.
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This movie probly will not have a great opening weekend, about 20 mill tops, but will have endurance in the box office, due to the good reviews and good word of mouth, a true "sleeper hit" the movie was awesome. I dunno what a kevin smith movie will be like without Jay and Silent Bobh in them, they should at LEAST have cameos or something in the upcoming Kevin SMith flicks.
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To answer the question about cameos: Paul Dini is handling the clapboard on the "Bluntman and Chronic" movie (just before Mark Hamill shows up), and Daredevil and the ninjas are on the movie set outdoors when our heroes are on the bicycle before they do the ET bit.
Also: watch for Kevin's artist collaborator/Marvel Publisher Joe Quesada as the pizza delivery man, Kevin's daughter Harley Quinn as infant Silent Bob, and stay to the very end for another Askewniverse cameo.
And eff the internet, go see the movie. Snoogans!
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The truth is.....this movie is amazing. Every little detail KS set out to cover is covered. God yes, it needed more Jason Lee. He carried Mallrats and Chasing Amy by himself but other than that this flick had everything. You want a spoiler? Here you go, do not see this movie if you aren't a KS fan. It's that easy. You won't find it funny and everything will be way over your head. This was made for us die-hard View Askew fans and Kevin knows that without us there would be no "universe". Kev is a fan-boy that made it big, something that everybody on this site wishes for on a nightly basis. This movie is for us and it's so well done that I'm sure he will give into the years of internet pressure and do just one more Jersey adventure.
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Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back rocked like nothing else this summer. Totally fun, completely hillarious. Jason Mewes proves he can carry a film. Almost every joke worked. It was great. The Planet of the Apes sequence was far more fun than Tim Burton's lame version. And it made a lot more sense. The cameos all ruled. I only wish we got to see Ethan Suplee and Alanis...for some reason I wanted Alanis to appear, even though I am not a fan of her music. I will be back to see when it comes out on Friday, and so should every Kevin Smith fan.
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I hope your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek. If so, funny post. If not, god help you.
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Ok if you've memorized every scene in every Kevin Smith movie, then sure you'll enjoy this. But the entire movie was a long in joke. Outside of the diehards, who would want to see this?
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If you wait until the end, you will see some great disclaimers and thanks, including one to aintitcoolnews.com and all the fans that post there.
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The laughs started simultaneously with the movie starting and didn't stop in the theater until the book closed, so to speak. Knowing it going in, and having it being more obvious now, this film is just for the fans of Kevin Smith's movies. Definitely the most well made, shot, produced, and arguably the funniest, most well written movie of his career, JSBSB is a perfect coda to what is apparently the last in the "View Askewniverse". While it is used very well as a comedic device in the film, it's too bad that Smith has to cover (or feels like he has to cover) those on the Internet with unintelligent opinions (to put it nicely). Unfortunately there are those in this world that have nothing better to do than to flat out bash something simply to see their name where people will read, or to try and piss people off. Constructive criticism is one thing, but if you're gonna flame someone without giving well thought out reasons, then keep your mouth shut. That's kind of a side point that Smith is making, but does so that it doesn't take away from the film. At its heart is the humor that we all know well and love. Great cameos and great dialogue makes this a must see for the Kevin Smith fan. Thanks Kevin for another example of why you do comedy and dialogue better than just about anyone in movies today. Bottom line, no bullshit. And when those retards get going, just do what you did here and strike back by laughing.
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and also one of the best wire-stunt movies ever. It's basically a Chinese Zorro story done in a cartoon-like fashion and if you haven't seen it yet go rent it, it's been on video for years. As for the JASB movie, I thought there was funny stuff in the first 30 and last 30 minutes. The middle dragged and potentially cool scenes suffered from Kevin Smith's border-line inept visual style. Take for instance the girls jumping through the laser-beams. Could've been hilarious and over-the top but instead it's a couple boring shots and goes on too long. It's like the movie was trying too hard and trying not enough at the same time. Still, when it was firing on all cylinders, it was funnier than anything I've seen this year except for Ghost World. Which isn't saying all that much.
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Aug 19, 2001 12:17:09 AM CDT
THIS MOVIE WAS THE BEST DAMN MOVIE I'VE EVER SEEN IN A LONG TIME
by josh_r
THIS MOVIE WAS GREAT MY FRIEND AND I BOTH LAUGHED OUR ASSES OFF, SO DID THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE. I'M GOING TO GO SEE IT AGAIN, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DVD! ALSO LOVED THE DIG AT AIN'T COOL NEWS WITH POOPSHOOT.COM.
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Aug 19, 2001 12:33:17 AM CDT
What pisses me off is that Infinite had to pay $7.00 for a bag o
by uncapie
I mean, what a rip off! For $5.99, I can buy a case of 24 sodas at Smart And Final! As for the popcorn; where's my Jiffypop?! And I want REAL BUTTER, not that forty weight axel grease they pour on it.
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I didn't think I would give much of a shit, but now that they're gone, knowing there are no more Jay and Bob movies coming, I kind of miss them already. I saw the flick tonight at a packed sneak preview full of apparent die-hard Kevin Smith fans. The only drawback, seriously, is that with that kind of audience, the fast-paced dialogue coming up right after a joke was inaudible underneath all of the laughter, mine included. Judging by tonight though, this one hit the nail right on the head. It was hysterical, and laugh for laugh the funniest movie this year (this and Made). This is the summer of shitty action movies and really great comedies. Made, American Pie 2 (surprisingly) and how this. All of the in-jokes were great, especially all of the Affleck-Phantoms references that were previously so abundant on the View Askew DVD commentaries. I disagree with posters who said that talent was squandered in the supporting roles, but I was unfulfilled in the sense that the recurring characters (especially Brodie) had such small parts. I just wanted more, I guess. Was I the only one who felt sad and even nostalgic knowing this is it for the Jersey-verse folks? I guess because I've been a fan since '95. Oh well. And thank you, Kevin Smith, for handing us jerk-off internet movie geeks our asses, a great many of us posters I think needed to actually HEAR the words to realize how fucking nerdy, gratiutious, just plain needless and unfuckingnecessary we are. Here's hopin' for Fleth with Jason Lee - and also for Larry Flash Jenkins, as there is no Fleth without Gummy.
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I wrote "Fleth" instead of "Fletch" ... TWICE. - Have at me.
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I have just ordered by brodie t-shirt from mallrats cos all of the films are fucking cool.
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I'm just wondering. This film looks really good to me, but his films are mostly a niche kinda thing. Be a shame if it didn't at least do $20 million opening weekend when the awful American Pie 2 made twice that during it's opening.
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Yes, it's funny. Laugh 'til you cry, hope you wore your Pull-Ups funny. But the best thing about this movie is that it is unlike anything you've ever seen in your entire life. Kevin Smith and his entourage are the most self-depricating, least image-conscious people in Hollywood. This movie is original in that it's not a comedy, it's a joke. One long, extended wink at the audience. And it works.*** The only thing that struck me as sad is the notion, as I was leaving the theatre, that the next Kevin Smith movie won't have Kevin Smith on-screen. He shows more charisma with each film, and I hope he doesn't completely forego acting for his writing/directing career. That said, BRING ON FLETCH!!
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Easily the most entertaining, un-insulting time at the theatre in God-knows-how-long.
Sneak preview I saw Saturday night was nearly sold out. Mostly 20-something guys (some with female companions but not the majority). A couple of puffy, white 50 year olds from the farthest ring of suburbs sat down next to us and I figured they were either lost or checking out the movie for their kid or grandkid - I dunno because they yammered about how shocked and offended they were constantly before finally leaving when Jay went off about being the ______ commander. Everyone else was rolling the whole time. I had a headache after the movie from laughing so much.
Yeah there are a lot of in-jokes I suppose but I really think that if people aren't completely humorless and have maybe experienced the process of growing up during and going to and enjoying movies the last 25+ years you will see the best movie in (easily) over a year.
Thank you Kevin Smith AND thank you Miramax for realizing that someone might know how to make a good movie (or at least be entertaining) without retarded marketing ideas getting in the way. This is Kevin's movie and it's known from the beginning and all the way through.
The only negative thing to say is that the movie's ending can't really happen in real life (I suppose it could if someone wanted to go to jail for it). Way too many of you internet ^%#$&#ers really do need your asses kicked.
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I managed to catch the sneak preview of J&SB last night, and I swear to everybody is was the most hilarious thing I had seen since Shrek. The whole movie's style of humor is kinda like this, in my opinion.....if somebody combined an episode of the Simpsons with an episode of Animaniacs, and addded a small bit of Clerks the animated seres...that's how the jokes play out in this thing. Smith takes jabs at quite a few people, especially going the "biting the hand that feeds him" route that the Warner Bros. cartoons have always gone for. If you are a common internet poster, go see this flick and I swear to God that you will think twice about blasting ANY celebrities ever again. Also, why did Ali Larter look so good to me in this movie? Must be because I saw her in this and not in that Three Mile Island known as American Outlaws.
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How can she say that? I mean, it's a funny line and all, but it's like Indiana Jones saying to his dad, "at least this is better than the Temple of Doom."
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YOU TUBBY BITCH, JAY AND SILENT BOB RULE!
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Even though we saw a special sneak preview last night...
GO AGAIN!!!
Go on Friday next week...help make this film huge bank at the box office. Smith fans around the world unite! Make this Kevin's biggest film to date.
Simply put...it deserves it!
Let's help the Viewaskewnivers go out with a sonic boom.
Take your friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, mommy's, daddy's and kiddies.
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Was it just me, or was Alanis Morrisette not in the movie? I dont particularly like the Canadian man-hater, but there was this whole thing about her scenes not being shown to test audiences because they wanted to save it for the real audience. What happened?
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How's that for a blurb they can put on their movie poster or their USA Today ad? But it's true. I agree that non-KS fans have no reason to see this movie - they won't get it. But for the rest of us, it's a great payoff. I missed Paul Dini, and I've even met the man! So now I'm wondering what other juicy bits of goodness I missed. I'll have to go back and see it again. Hats off to you, Kevin, for a fun film experience.
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Can't believe I forgot this! *** You MUST stay through the credits. Try to read as many of them as you can ("Mewes Wrangler! ROFL!). You will be rewarded.
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This whole movie was about Kevin Smith having fun with some of his favorite characters, and tossing some of that fun to himself. One reviewer asked "what was up with that weird lightsaber fight"? I'll tell you, Smith is a big Star Wars fan, and any fan of those movies will tell you, they would love to be in a light saber fight. This is just the movie for Smith to write himself right into one. And the rest of the movie gave me the same impression. (I loved it by the way) During the movie I thought to myself, god, if I were directing a movie I would want to do that. And that's the point, Kevin Smith is just a big kid getting all of his slap-stick fart-joke caricatured characters out of his system and having a lot of fun doing it. Good for Kevin Smith.
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Look closely in the Miramax lot. Believe me, it's there. Oh, because I'm too lazy to post my review up there, lets just say it's definately worth seeing many times, and it's truly depressing that this will be the last time Jay and Silent Bob will be on the big screen.
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Yes, that other jewel thief is in fact Kevin Smith's wife. How he convinced her to wear that jumpsuit is beyond me (maybe no sex for a month?). Did you also catch the cameo of little Harley Quinn? She is an adoable baby. Well, see all of ya in line for this again on the 24th.
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Suck it, Talk Backers! I'm better than first, I'm in the fuckin' article!
Oh, and you guys know that Kevin Smith dedicated the movie to us Talk Backers, right? At the end of the credits, Smith thanks us Aint-It-Cool-News Talk Backers for, "the constant abuse."
My life has meaning now!
Oh, and Kevin, if your reading: fuck those little jizzmasters who dis your films. They deserved to get thier asses beat by Jay and Silent Bob. You rule! -
I saw the sneak preview but didn't have the time to stay to see the end credits after the whole singing and dance scene and there's a scene after the end credits finsih? Ah crap! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HAVE SOME MERCY AND DESCRIBE THE SCENE AND LAST VIEW ASKEW CAMEO TO ME!
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pretty awesome, gotta love the wes craven, gus van sant cameos. the dawson stuff was kickin too, sad to say i'm a fan of that show...
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Aug 19, 2001 12:52:06 PM CDT
A Open Letter to Kevin Smith---PLEASE READ ME, KEVIN!!!
by kentucky colonel
Dear Kevin, I would just like to take a moment of your time and express my feelings of absolute joy and abandon after having seen "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back". I want to thank you for making a movie for me. You see, you understand the fans, the fan-boys, and even the fagboys (and girls) of the world (GLAAD be damned). While it would have been nice to have seen more of the old-school VA crew screentime-wise it was still nonethelss FUCKING-A WONDERFUL to see my silver screen favorites emerging from the onscreen "J&SB" movie, tying up the loose ends. The way you handled Banky was, particularly, one of my favorites. The scenes with Dante and Randall are priceless!! And breaking the fourth wall? Brilliant. Just simply fucking brilliant! What could have been a cameo-mug-shot-cheese-fest instead left me smiling, glowing, giddy, pumped up and wishing I could alter the fabric of space-time, making it NEXT Friday night when again I will see this movie. And again. And again. Jesus Christ, after the show I went out and bought the Mallrats DVD and was gunning for Clerks and the new Dogma DVD's(I didn't have to look far for Chasing Amy, having been in my collection since the day it was released, as it is by far and away my favorite film of yours {if such a thing is possible} but Ye Olden Wal-Mart was out of stock. Guess I'll have to drag my ass to a "real" video store to stock up. I can not say thank you enough for this film, for all your films actually, but hopefully my $7.75 per viewing and $20 for the DVDs ($32 for Clerks) will in some small way convey my thanks AND add to the coffers of young Harley Quinn's college fund (what an inspired bit of casting, by the way). And the final thirty seconds of the film, y'know, after Afroman, well, what a way to lay the Askiewniverse to rest. (I wonder, did you crib that idea from "Fractured Fairy Tales"?) I am NOT blowing smoke up your ass (but would if you asked me to, much in the same vein that "you" (as Bob, of course) were going to blow Jay (or Banky and Holden's situation, you know, with a wink-and-a-smile). I reiterate my position that your new film totally rocked my world and, at the ripe old age of 31, don't feel like I'm turning into my parents because I love your work. Not to say that your work is juvenille, not at all. It's not too uppity for it's own good. It's not a continious series of dick and fart jokes either (although I did enjoy the few scatalogical refrences here and there, especially once and for all repealing the myth that "girl's don't fart". They do). Just fucking hilarious. In relation to the movie itself, specificaly the scenes concerning annonymous bashing of someone over the internet, well, I'm guilty. I think there was not a single Mysterio report from the set that I did not mercilessly harp on for no other reason to be a dick. Well, there was also the shabby content of the first two reports, photos over text, etc... but in fact I was being mean JUST TO BE MEAN. What I wouldn't have given to walk a mile in Mysterio's moccasins, y'know? So I dug that and could totally relate. Nice to see you plug AICN and us Talkbackers during the end credits (which should have played out a little slower...there is no way to take in all of your "thank-yous" in one sitting). The scene in the animal lab...."I know it sucks but what are you going to do?"...my feelings exactly!!! Audience reaction here in Loserville...the theater was packed (and there were 2 other screens in town showing the movie, too). The audience was primed, the laughs flowed effortlessly, there were several outbursts of spontaneous applause (even when not cued ;'} ) and, perhaps best of all, 2/3 of the audience didn't leave the auditorium even after the credits were over. It was like no one wanted it to end, or they were discussing this-or-that aspect of the film. THAT'S A-SPICY MEATBALL!! I've never seen anything like it in a movie theater before. AND IT WAS AWESOME!!! Best wishes for the future, for a $40 Million Opening Weekend Box Office (geeze, I hope your not insulted by a measly $40 Mil opening, but face it...you don't have "DISNEY" attached to the film anywhere, and you know what that means...none of the under-10 set will be turning out with their parents in tow. In a perfect world they'd be lined up around the block.....but no. Not yet anyway you subversive little bitch you!) Again, thanks for making a movie for ME. ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!! Whatever the fuck anyone else has to say, the negative criticisim that I'm sure some groups you know all too well have already or will in the days to come bestow upon you, I say, FUCK THEM. FUCK THEM UP THE MOTHERFUCKING ASS IF THEY CAN'T TAKE A MOTHERFUCKING JOKE, MOTHERFUCKERS! FUCK YEAH!! FAGGOTS!! Know that the Colonel (and fellow Smith, Brian E. Smith to be exact) loved your film and made that personal connection, even if I've only driven through Jersey, never collected comics, and never once smoked marijuana (OK, the last one is a lie, I admit it) I feel just as connected to your universe as the little universe I call Reality in Louisville, KY 40208. Thanks for that, and, for all that is to come. If you would ever like to come for the Kentucky Derby, well, I have plenty of space and connections at Churchill Downs. I can even bestow the honor upon you of a Kentucky Colonel-ship if you are at all interested (ask Harry & Father Geek...they know the deal). I'd love to have you and yours down for The Derby. Fully catered by myself and my hapless but loveable lot of musicians, writers and general freaks of the wannabe industry. But since that will almost surely never happen I do have your movies, MY movies, and "chindon" I say as I lift my glass of bourbon to your future (as usual, Ezra Brooks, 2oz, on ice, rinse and repeat) and wish you 100 years of prosperity. Chindon, indeed! Live long and all that. PS-if indeed you'd like to become a Kentucky Colonel, drop me a simple OK and I can take it from there. You rule. Thanks again.
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"Things I didn't like: the cursing got a bit tiring. Seriously kevin we don't need to be bombbarded with the f-word. A PG-13 verison of Jay and Silent would hane been a lot more inviting" To whom? Ardent admirers of the works of Charles Bowdler? Perhaps the offending bits could be translated into Latin? Kidding aisde, you're asking Mr. Smith to turn a cucumber into a turnip for you. Even if he wanted to do it, even if he managed to do it, the result (with all apologies to the Turnip Alliance Against Defamation) wouldn't be a cucumber anymore.
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I am also one of the many people that saw the sneak peak of ''J&SBSK''. I know most of you would rather lick and massage Kevin Smith's balls, but after that piece of shit movie, I would like to kick KS in the balls. I most be one of only a few people that thought this film sucked ass. Way to go KS, you make a movie for your die hards, but there are only about 10 of them. Also you make a film that if you didn't see Smith's other shit bombs you wouldn't understand, very wise indeed. Wouldn't it have been wise to make a film with some kind of mass appeal? Kevin Smith and Miramax are brilliant, they just destroyed their box office. Smart move, dumb ass. Next weekend ''Jay and Silent Bob'' will be lucky to gross close to $15 million. I predict this crappy movie will bring a total gross of $30 million when it is all said and done. That will bring the total gross of all of Smith's movies to what $50 million (give or take a few mill) LONG LIVE KEVIN SMITH so he can continue to make suck ass movies.
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Aug 19, 2001 2:05:36 PM CDT
Um, did I read someone saying that they would have actually pref
by tequila wyrm
Aint that like saying "Wouldn't farts be so much better if they didn't have hydrogen sulfide and methane?" They wouldn't smell or be flamable anymore! Then where's their entertainment value?!
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I know I spelled Jason's name wrong. Sorry. BTW, ''Jay and Silent Bob'' still bites balls.
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She's at the very, very end of the end credits, playing God. She closes a book saying THE END on it and smiles and dances around.
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Aug 19, 2001 4:11:23 PM CDT
E209, about that Iron Monkey trailer.... aw, you can't even find
by user id indeed!
Where's it gonna end up TODAY??? Hmmm??? The bottom?? The top? Somewhere inbetween? Perhaps on an entirely different site! How exciting! I was gonna say it was funny because it was completely tired and cliched except that it was called "Iron Monkey". When Don LaFontaine said "His name... is 'Iron Monkey'", and it continued in the usual cliched quick-cut manner... that was damned funny. We CAN'T take it seriously! It's called "Iron Monkey"! LaFontaine's grave voice made it even funnier! Ho ho! But.... you won't ever find this post. It's pointless. I'm depressed. Bring me some Pop-tarts and a Geoff Nicholson novel! I am full of the unhappies! This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed!
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I have no idea what that means, but I understand this movie is a fuck you of sorts to asshole guys that write asshole talkbacks. I write asshole talkbacks. I hate robots. Kevin Smith has made one movie that wasn't wretched, it was the one where the junkie guy hits the security guard with a bat - Mall something. The Clerk movie was terrible. The Jesus movie was a festering pile of shit (but he had to EDIT OUT all the good parts, Warrior, his original vision...Fuck you. Shut up. The Jesus movie was shit. Fuck your robot ass.). The Lesbian movie was bad AND THAT HAD HOT LESBIANS IN IT. How do you fuck up a free lunch like a hot lesbian movie? This guy Smith bothers me. Green Arrow is good enough. So he's got that going for him. But this slap-ass should not be allowed anywhere near Fletch. Fletch is near and dear to me and the idea of that goofy fuck Jason Lee or, God forbid, that drunken pretty fuck Benny Boy Affleck sickens me. My thing is, if this guy doesn't like my bitter, angry and non-sensical ramblings, then this shitbird can go fuck himself. I'm the man that been banned fourteen times. The champion of the world. Your hero. See you in Hell.
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I saw this flick at the DC sneak Saturday night. Don't know about the rest of you, but I thought it was hilarious. I admit it was self-indulgent and a non-starter for non-Smith fans, but if you can get past that, ther's absolutely no reason you should laugh yourself senseless.
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If you didn't get a chance to see the sneak preview on Friday night, it's OK, it's hitting the theatres on Friday so you can see it for the first time (and those of us that saw it on Friday can see it again, and again, and again)!
Here I am reminiscing about the movie on Friday. I had dreams about it Saturday night! This movie is TOO damn hilarious not to see! If you are a Kevin Smith fan (and who isn't) this movie is a must must MUST see! After Chasing Amy Kevin Smith became my favorite director by far and now, after seeing this wonderfully funny movie JASBSB I will await with eager anticipation any movies from this fine comedic mind!
There is so much to talk about from the sneak preview but so much can be given away. You'll have to see the movie multiple times to remember every funny thing that happened. Why? Because you'll be laughing so hard that you'll miss dialog and other jokes that were put in there. Have I said this is the funniest movie in the theatre in years?
Well, I'll be signing off now but Kevin, if you're reading (which I hope you are), get going with your next movie already!
A Devoted Kevin Smith Fan,
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When will kevin smith learn how to direct actors. Fan-freeking-tastic writer! but damn, he needs to go back to film school or something.
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J&SBSB was nowhere near Clerks or Chasing Amy in terms of quality and story. I'm glad Smith finished his NJ series, though I have no idea why someone would make 5 movies set in the armpit of North America. I can't wait to see what he does with Fletch.
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I enjoyed the sneak preview and am a fan of Kevin Smith, but... the movie was so self-indulgent.
Yes Kevin we like you. That is why we go to your movies. Do you honestly expect people who don't like you to go see your movies?
There was a "are you a kevin smith fan?" box under the Why did you come to see this movie question. The question was repeated under the "What was the main reason you came to see this movie?" Finally, there was another "Are you a Kevin Smith fan?" question under the Tell us about yourself section. "Tell us about yourself", more like "tell us about us."
Kevin, you've got the big picture deal, the comic books, the Hollywood wife, do you still need our devotion to feel good about yourself? What kind of loser are you making these pictures for? And what kind of loser would worship someone who lacks even the basics is self confidence. Oh yeah, that's right. It's me. It's us.
Good job fatty.
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It seems like the general opinion on the use of cameos has been negative, but I thought they were great. I was especially impressed with Sean Williams Scott Williams Scott Sean (Williams? Too many goddamned names on these young punks).
Anyways, I didn't stop laughing for the entire ten (five?) minutes he was on screen.
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Anywhoo, I also saw the sneak and it was great but unlike most Kevin Smith films it did not require an adverse amount of thought to find it amusing, contrary to most opinions i found Dogma brilliant but of course anyone with a closed mind or anysort of religious respect could not find it funny, but back to JASBSB it was obscenely vulgar and profane, just the way i like my films, I loved every second of it, i do however recommend seeing Smith's collection before viewing this movie it makes much more sense if you do. GO SEE THIS FILM!
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I saw a sneak of J&SBSB and one earlier this summer for MADE. Made was smarter, funnier, played better, and made much better use of cameos. Favreau blows Smith out of the water. Unfortunately, MADE will no doubt make a fraction of what this fuckfest will. C'est la vie.
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I have never really been interested in J&SBSB but have continued to follow the tb's off and on as an amusing diversion. I wandered into this one tonight, more than a little delirious from lack of sleep, and laughed like hell at everyone's comments. JonQ, your comments actually ignited a desire to see this film if I view it from the context you presented. I have always thought of J&SBSB as a comedy, but, now, I realize that there may be more to it than my original perceptions. Thank-you for the fresh presentation on an over-reported movie. I must admit to a certain morbid curiousity in the remarks regarding tb'ers. I just wonder if it shouldn't be called J&SB"TB".____A TB Bee
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Aug 21, 2001 6:02:05 AM CDT
I love how Smith is schooling the Internet Fanboy Bitch Squad wi
by tall_boy
Any bad review by said Fanboy Bitch Squad just comes off as pale and pointless. I think this may be one of the first post-modern efforts to actually criticize this practice, and good for Smith! Can't wait to see this one.
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Regarding "Magnolia-Fan"'s comments elsewhere in this Talkback ("Fuck Jay and Silent Bob! Fuck them up their stupid asses!"), most people seem to have realized that this is just a joke from the movie, down to the user ID "Magnolia-Fan", but I did get a couple of amusing e-mails (at Tenchi@christianemail.com; note the ironic touch of registering the user ID "Magnolia-Fan" with a return address at a Christian e-mail site just to post a message full of "the most foul of the foul words".) from people who, I guess, missed the preview on Saturday night, and thus didn't get that it was just an in-joke for people that have seen the film. By the way, the message was cut-and-pasted straight from MoviePoopShoot.com , the AICN-spoof Website seen in the film which you can actually visit, but you can't post anything there. (No one responded to "Wampa-One", which was the other message from MoviePoopShoot.com that I reposted here.)____________________________
Steve Brandon Kiyone_Mabi@galaxypolice.com -
Kevin Smith heads the most obnoxious "anti-establishment" clique in Hollywood and "Jay And Silent Bob" is an in-joke-y, one-joke film made simply because of a nerdish cluster of devoted Kevin Smith fans who mistake good but massively self-indulgent writing for a great movie. Luckily, this film will hardly resonate with more than a handful of viewers and fade quickly. Worse, it will age badly, even more than his other films. Because, ultimately, who cares?
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Does anyone remember when Kevin Smith's humor worked on more than one level? The comparing scars scene in AMY for example. Yeah, it's a JAWS parody, but only true geeks will get that. But it's still funny. The subject matter is funny. The dialogue is funny. Jason Lee is funny. Plus, there's a dramatic aspect to it concerning Holden's disappointment at Alyssa's orientation. Plus, if you happen to get it, it's a JAWS joke. This is what J&SBSB is lacking. The only parts in the film I found funny were the pop culture/View Askew/comic book/Star Wars jokes. But they're only funny if you're a pop culture/View Askew/comic book/STar Wars guy. The first hour of this movie was excruciating. My audience, including me, only laughed a handful of times. It only gets mildly entertaining once they get to Hollywood, and, yeah, it's lame that he relies on cameos, but to make me laugh, he needed them. GWH2 is the funniest bit. And some of you have missed the boat on some things. 1)Chris Rock is doing a parody of white-hating comics. You didn't get that? Sorry. He is. It is the equilvilant of the Simpsons' "White people drive like this.." segment. It's a joke in iteself.
2) Alanis Morisette is NOT a man-hater. Implying that from the subject matter of her most brutally honest song is as bad as, hmm, let's see, calling Kevin Smith a homophobe based on J&SB. 3) How, really, can any of you like this movie (Harry included) when it SLAMS what you do here. It is brutal to on-line banter. It literally BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF US. Kevin Smith is saying HE DOESN'T LIKE YOU. HE WOULD LIKE TO BEAT MOST OF YOU WITH A BASEBALL BAT. Gee, Kev, thanks. Let me close this by saying I am a Kevin Smith fan. The first three films are a lot of fun. AMY actually had something to say, and, yes, it's self indulgent, because it's a personal story. Any autobiographical piece is going to be self-indulgent. But I'd rather sit through that than this shallow, ham-handed, and, most sinfully, UNFUNNY, excuse for a comedy.
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