Aug. 17, 2001, 4:21 a.m. CST
Problems with the actors...? I don't think so. Everyone just finally realized that the script sucks and they're looking for an excuse to blow the whole thing off (or is that just my wishful thinking roaming free?).
Aug. 17, 2001, 4:35 a.m. CST
If what I've read at Dark Horizons is true, Paramount needs to hold off for awhile and get their act together. Develop the script and don't rely so much on replicating earlier episodes and movies. Everyone at Star Trek needs to just slow down. THey were cranking things out left and right for many years there and the quality suffered toward the end ("Voyager," "Insurrection"). Everyone at Paamount needs to take a breath and let Star Trek rest for awhile. "Enterprise" will go on, of course, but let "Nemesis" or whatever they're going to call it sit and rest; allow it to age and perfect like a fine wine. Instead of fermentation, the film will need script development.
Aug. 17, 2001, 4:54 a.m. CST
by cameron fry
bring back Shatner!!!!
Aug. 17, 2001, 4:55 a.m. CST
by Jor-El's son
they should have stopped after The Search for Stock
Aug. 17, 2001, 4:56 a.m. CST
Hold your Horses Paramount. Get a decent script for starters, then bring in some fresh talent to helm this project. Don't rush this for God's sake, and get rid of that cock-licking Berman fella, that dude blows.
Aug. 17, 2001, 5 a.m. CST
Ok, I admit that Voyager sucked. The characters are what should make a Trek series and it majorly lacked the character strengh that its predecessors had. Say what you will about Berman and whoever else is in charge, but all that I care about is watching a good Trek series and movie. I like the original series, but anyone who thinks that every Trek series and movie since then has to be exactly the same... Well... SCREW YOU! He almost ruined The Next Gen... it only got better when he was no longer expressing whatever vision he had. The Next Generation is the best Star Trek series and First Contact is EASILY one of the better Trek movies. So stop replying in talk back with other, half asses opinions saying that First Contact and The Next Gen Sucked. Go watch Andromeda or something.
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:03 a.m. CST
Maybe Paramount should go back to TOS and "mine" another episode. That worked pretty well for Wrath of Khan. Howzabout Star Trek 10: Horta Hears a Who?
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:30 a.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
I saw Insurrection twice in the cinema. Not because I _really_ liked it, but because I had to make sure on the second viewing that it really was as bad as I thought on the first viewing. And the reason I didn't like it both times.. The story didn't matter! The characters were there; The Enterprise was there; Jerry Goldsmith was there.. but the Trek was missing. I just couldn't bring myself to care about the fate of a bunch of plastic-surgery obsessed aliens, even if their leader was played by F. Murray Abraham who did such a fantastic job in "Amadeus". The story was lost on me because while it may have worked as an episode of Star Trek, where you know the characters will be back next week.. as a movie, it just didn't cut. Nothing _really_ happened. And that's the feeling I got when I read the script review of Trek X on DarkHorizons. Even if the main bad guys are Romulans, they're not the Romulans from TNG. The main "bad-guy" is someone who just seems to have been penned in so Picard has a sparring partner. If this is to be the final Next Gen movie, then it should be about the Q-Continuum. I know Q himself is getting on in years, but so is Data, and he's in the next picture. Perhaps there could be a problem in the Continuum that's causing all the Q to die or something.. anything to bring back a bad-guy we actually care about, and not another paperback hack job of a story.
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:34 a.m. CST
Well, well, well, after reading the review on Dark Horizons I must admit that this is good news. The longer that movie doesn't get made the better chance that the script gets tweaked. It would be nice if they made the next movie because they had a story to tell and not because they needed to make some money off of a trek flick. And I'm not going to start up a big discussion on this but everyone has been saying First Contact was the best Trek movie but I totally disagree. It was uneven and the resolution lacked the gravity that the set up demanded. Besides the whole side story on Earth with Cochrane was way too light hearted in comparison to what was happening on the Enterprise. It wasn't bad, but it could have been much better! Wraith of Kahn and Undiscovered Country are the best Trek movies to date and I don't see anything that could possably change that. Anyway, I'm half way through the script for Enterprise and I'm halfway interested. As much as I hate to say it, the show may be watchable. Not nearly as good as Farscape of course, but maybe as good as Andromeda. And yeah! I like Andromeda!!! I don't have to read Faulkner and Satre all the time! Sometimes I just want to be entertained by something that is fun for fun's sake! Besides, the Purple Girl played by Laura Bertram (sp?) is REALLY cute! I dig chicks with nice tails. Zubalove OUT!
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:40 a.m. CST
The mere idea of pushing on and producing this film with the scrip they have in hand is proof enough Paramount doesn't care about quality. It would be more beneficial, indeed shrewd, to delay, let Stewart make X-Men 2 (which will probably be a better film anyway) and revise the script. This of course won't happen. Why?_____________________ Because we're to the point where we could have the cast reading out of the New York phone book and have millions of Trekers go pay to see it with the full knowledge they'd be disappointed. I won't see this unless I can walk in for free.
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:41 a.m. CST
by Ken Luxury-yacht
I don't know if it's because it's Friday afternoon, or the long lazy lunch hour (!!!) I've just had down the pub, or the fact that I'm going on holiday tomorrow, but the thought that ST10 might not get made this year, well frankly, I don't give a good God Damn. The script review over at DH made it sound frighteningly bad... not that the last film was any good. Oh like I said, I don't care. Bring on Oceans 11 I say!!!
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:45 a.m. CST
Paramount. Maybe it's time to staunch the Hemorrage of cashflow that is the "Star Trek" franchise. Recent episodes have shown that you are rapidly losing the mandate of the fanbase that you are relying on for your very livelihood. They are trying to tell you something, if you can't deliver, neither will they. The franchise is losing its legs. Time to put it to rest and wait for new blood to come along and re-conceptualize the whole enchilada
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:56 a.m. CST
Like any succesful sports franchise who brings back their old superstars to influence today's team it's time for Star Trek to seek help from the folks who got them there. DC Fontana is actually theonly writer I remember from the original series but there of course are others. Either that or pull a Scooby-Doo and invite web reporters to the set in return for their silence to squash negative buzz.
Aug. 17, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST
There. That should piss some of you off. But you deserve to be pissed if you think that Farscape is better!!!
Aug. 17, 2001, 6:01 a.m. CST
Better they don't make it. Not like this.
Aug. 17, 2001, 6:41 a.m. CST
by Listen Up
...just let it die. It's too late to let TNG die gracefully (Insurrection saw to that) but it's not too late to go out with a shred of dignity. Please Paramount guys, let it go, wait 10 or 15 years and try it again with some new blood. Berman can't live forever, I can wait.
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:03 a.m. CST
In other words, let's not f-up the tradition of the even-numbered Treks being the best films in the series. The more prep time for the next film, the better. I consider it a fond memory that I've seen every Trek movie when it came out in the theater. The Trek movies for me are what I am most nostalgic on. It was obvious that Insurrection was a mistake. I would prefer if Paramont wrap up the Next Gen cast movies with a quality Star Trek 10. Thereafter we deserve to finally see the Starfleet Academy Star Trek movie with the young versions of the Classic Trek cast.
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:12 a.m. CST
Love the way Paramount keeps pumping out this inane crap. It's kind of comforting to know that tons of cash is being poured into this soap-in-space franchise.Year after stinking year.You can rely on it, ya know? Like having a s***y hangover after every New Years Eve. About as interesting and innovative as Dawson Creek:The Movie. I feel sorry for Paddy Stewart, this Picard thing must be hanging around his neck like a millstone now. He's the only cast-member who can actually act
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:32 a.m. CST
I'm sick of studios paying these ego maniacs enough money for five life times for a few months work. Screw TNG. Make a DS9 movie. It would be much cheaper. Just get back the actors who want to come back, including supporting cast from DS9. I'd rather see Garak, Nog, and Weyoun (well another one), than Troi, Data, and Geordi. I don't need to see Data singing yet again. And for the love of god, don't put another battle in a nebula. Berman, if you MUST copy a previous Trek battle, do "Sacrifice of Angels." That was the best space battle since Jedi. BermanBraga may want DS9 to disappear, but someday quality will win. You can shove Voyager all you want, it won't make me like it. How many people would rather see a cameo from Garak than Janeway?
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:35 a.m. CST
I remain surprised at how many people hold up ST VI as a great film - and therefore grant Meyer the trifecta of II-IV-VI. I thought the crucial difference between II and VI was the intelligence/cleverness it took to get out of situations. II - "by the book, days would seem like hours" and the like worked for me. In VI, let's see...Oh wait, we can track Kirk and McCoy on the planet 'cause we put a device in them that no one would think to scan for/check/etc. Let's find those missing boots! Oh wait, Scotty hears them randomly tapping in a locker somewhere. How the heck do we track a ship with a cloaking device? Oh wait, no one's ever thought these things "gotta have a tailpipe." With every kinda-lame solution presented by Meyer to the problems kinda-clevery designed by Meyer, well, I thought the movie suffered each time.
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:37 a.m. CST
Definitely. It should give them enough time to come up with a better script then what they have now. If you have heard about what was in that script, then you know if they filmed it, it would have been even worse than INSURRECTION. Paramount should do the right thing and bench this project today, not wait ten days.
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:55 a.m. CST
That paramount will get their asses in gear, get a much better script and let Jonathan Frakes direct. I am not holding my breath however...
Aug. 17, 2001, 8:04 a.m. CST
by Miss Aura
Aug. 17, 2001, 8:34 a.m. CST
Aug. 17, 2001, 8:53 a.m. CST
by Southern Crane
Aug. 17, 2001, 9 a.m. CST
It's an even numbered Trek film, so there's a better than average chance it'll be watchable.
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:07 a.m. CST
Hopefully this movie will be delayed until someone with the sense to see the mistakes of the past movies can be brought on. What I've always felt is the problem with the last few Star Trek movies is that the characters are not being written as real, likable people. Instead of the bickering, and the sense of camaraderie that the classic cast had, where if felt like attending a family reunion of people who care about each other, and know each other inside and out, the Next Gen movies have been a series of dialogue with no personality, serving only to move the bare bones plot along, and obvious jokes. The dynamics a real group of people who have spent fifteen years living and working together are missing. Where the classic films had scenes like Spock trying to have a fun camping trip by-the-book, McCoy annoyed with him, and a bemused Kirk trying not to get involved, the Next Gen films have slapstick and other obvious attempts to drag a response from the crowd. Troi is drunk. LAUGH NOW!! Data can be used as a floatation device in the event of a water landing. LAUGH NOW!! Picard reads off his cue card that he's sure this isn't the last ship to bear the name Enterprise. APPLAUD NOW!!
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:27 a.m. CST
by B A Fett
That gives them a year to write a better script, and take there time to make a good movie. Please, no more Insurrections.
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:31 a.m. CST
Enterprise just might be something special. I am so excited. Lets have Rick bogged down with trying to get Star Trek X launched. It will give Enterprise the chance flourish under the guidence of new blood.
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:35 a.m. CST
Trek isn't about any single character (well, maybe Kirk). It certainly isn't about Picard or Worf or Crusher. Wait a few months. Polish the script into something GREAT. Then assemble the cast and anyone who holds out for more money can f*ck off. Come up with a great script and if Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner refuse to be in the movie unless there is script changes, then tell them to go f*ck themselves. Write in a new captain or center the story around Riker. This is TNG's last movie anyway. Why not center it on some new characters? Don't rush some bad script just so you can overpay worn-out whiny actors to make a final appearence in a bad movie.
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:47 a.m. CST
Or Number One will turn ST:N into Number Two...
Aug. 17, 2001, 9:51 a.m. CST
If they are planning on shooting the piece of shit that I read here a few days ago, this is the best news fathomable!
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:02 a.m. CST
I am going with the majority on this and say move on, it's over TNG. Why bother making if under these circumstances. DS9 was a great series especially towards the end and there was much left open that can be used in a film. Just let TNG die with whatever grace it has and move on to something else. Even better, why does the focus "have" to be on the TNG chars, why not make a film based on the Romulans, Vulcans, Klingons, etc with star trek regulars making guest appearances. just my opinion.
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:04 a.m. CST
Chances are, they'll probably push it into production, just for pride's sake... but let's face it. It's not worth it if the fan base isn't behind it (and these recent script reports have seen to that, for better or worst). But if there is someone from Paramount that just happens to be monitoring this site: please. Just this once, don't pull the trigger. Star Trek X can wait.
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:08 a.m. CST
I agree completely with those who say "wait". If the Dark Horizons story is even partially correct, this script they are working with is REALLY bad. Could be why Dorn was balking was he didn't want to see Worf return to the Enterprise just to be the butt of some lame joke ala 'Insurrection'. Besides, DS9 left us with Worf as an ambassador for Kronos working with Martok. I also agree that it isn't necessary to bring back EVERYONE from the NG cast for a movie. It would really be smarter to get a good story together first and like the story dictate who's in it. This could actually be a way to utilize anyone from any of the shows in the picture, possibly making it better. Years ago, right before the release of "Star Trek III", a friend got ahold of the script...we read it thinking "This HAS to be a joke...a planet is created solely for the dramatic purpose of bringing Spock back to life? The biggest action sequence is Scotty backing the family car outta the garage? (Oops, I mean stealing the Enterprise). This is so bad it CAN'T be real!! But alas, it was... "Nemesis" sounds just as bad...as someone pointed out on the other talkback on this subject, the inmates are running the asylum. If lansing & the powers that be really want to inject some life back into this franchise, they'd be better off comissioning some scripts from non-Trek (ie: no Berman & crew) and letting the story dictate who's in it. The actually is a GREAT story right under their noses RIGHT NOW. It's got action, drama, the whole cast (except Worf...for good reason) & it plays up to all the character's strengths (not jus making various ones the punchlines for lame humor). It even has a great tie-in to the original series. It's called 'The Gorn Crisis" from WIldstorm comics. It would be WAY cool to see a planet of those big lizards that Kirk fought in "Arena". Go & read it and then tell 'Paramount' what you think...
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:16 a.m. CST
is better than the best of TNG has his head up his ass. What color is the sky in your world? On another note, I know who it is that is making demands- Gates McFadden. She left the show because she didn't think she was getting enough screen time, and she has been bitching every single movie, threatening not to sign on. I really dont care if she is there or not. Put the Doctor from Voyager on the Enterprise, which is the flagship of the Federation. Robert Picardo would love to do it, and frankly, I would rather see him than Crusher. I have always disliked Troi- I say get rid of her too. Since a big part of the movie has something to do with her and Riker getting married, I say that is all the more reason to dump her. Its a dumb idea, and maybe that will make them go back to the drawing board. The only ones that they need are Picard, Data, Riker, and Worf. Maybe Geordi. MAYBE.
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:24 a.m. CST
Don't put the word "classic" and the camp scene from Star Trek V in the same paragraph. That was uncomfortably bad. Nothing in the NG movies has approached that.
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:39 a.m. CST
perhaps it is better that is piece poo poo get panned until they can come up with something decent. i was really hoping that 10 would be a vindication of the vile trek 9, but after reading the treatment for the script...jeez, i dunnooooooooo....
Aug. 17, 2001, 10:51 a.m. CST
please be good!
Aug. 17, 2001, 11:10 a.m. CST
Janeway? why have her in the movie at all? why do berman and company do everything possible to push voyager down our throats and completely ignore characters from DS9? was voyager more popular thand ds9? I highly doubt it. Ds9 was a far superior show. The characters and stories were a hundred times better. but all you EVER hear about is voyager this, voyager that. UGGH!! enought already. Is there anyone out there who thinks voyager is actually better and would rather see some of the crew in the new movie instead of DS9 cast members? i doubt it.
Aug. 17, 2001, 11:13 a.m. CST
That's Fan Boy Anonymous for all you Trekkie zealots. You and the Star Wars fan boys need to get together and get some collective help. I enjoy Trek as much as the next Sci-Fi fan but as some of you realize yourselves the franchise has been mired down in mediocrity for sometime now. I would much rather see them NOT make this movie as is and wait until they come up with a product that is not just recycled crap. Am I wrong in wanting quality from two of the greatest Sci-Fi franchises ever? And to all you Fan Boys who think that the recycled new shows of a bland watered down Trek that has no direction or meaning is even in the same league as Farscape you need to get out of your parents basements and see the light of day. Change is good and the old needs to step down gracefully and make way for the new. Farscape has story arcs that span seasons, aliens that aren't just human actors with funky noses slapped on to make them look different, and writers that actually aren't three monkeys locked in a room. PS: to all you fanboys who are spitting on my mothers grave and frothing like mad dogs because some one dared to express an opinion that doesn't mesh with their quasi-religion called Trekdom...Say hi to your mom she was great last night.
Aug. 17, 2001, 11:19 a.m. CST
Ah, who cares about what (most of) the rest of you guys think, I want Star Trek 11 and 12 with the Next Generation cast! I'd say end it after 10 too, except I want to see the ultimate Q movie, with Q and female Q and Corbin Bernsen Q and Amanda Q and Mr. Mxyzptlk Q! (Okay, Mr. Mxyzptlk's actually a Superman character, but, doing Google searches, I find that I'm not the only guy in the world who suspects that that guy's actually a Q, since they can travel to any universe, why not the DC Multiverse?) And I don't want it to be Star Trek 11 either, 'cause Q's too cool to be wasted on an odd numbered Trek film. I suppose if the Next Generation crew doesn't want to do any more movies, they could use the Voyager crew and expand the Q, Q, and Janeway love triangle thingie.__________________________________Steve Brandon Brandons@ca.inter.net
Aug. 17, 2001, 11:33 a.m. CST
Star Trek has been a major staple in television and movie history. There has been no other sci-fi universe that has approached five television series and nine movies over a span of 33 or so years. The only sci-fi universe I think that comes close to this is obviously Star Wars having only 5 films being made (6 in another 4 years) in about 24 years. ***Now, I like all of the Star Trek series. I really didn't watch any television eps of TOS, but the movies were great. I understand the history that Kirk and the gang went through. TNG was a series that had the most variety of them all. Whoa. Where else can you find an episode called "Justice" with a culture that executes people who damage flower gardens compared to the episode conveying the ultimate sense of family and history in "The Inner Light?" Tell me!!!! Damn good series. Now, DS9 was also a very good series that had lots of fresh variety. The location of the station was set on the outskirts of Federation territory near a wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant. The bloody Cardies, the peaceful and ancient Bajoran homeworld, the terrible Dominion, and the blood thirsty Klingons had gigantic story arcs in the show. Sure these races were focused on more towards the end of the show, but there were other episodes that focused on character development in the face of adversity. I still think Emissary is one of the best DS9 episodes ever because it has this tension, grit, character adversity, and broadness of grandeur. I liked the finale of DS9, and I wish they would make a movie with Sisko and Company. Voyager is the series that has the least strength. For instance, it was set in the Delta Quadrant. This separated the show from the familiarity we all have with the Alpha Quad. We had to rely on the show producing new and fascinating alien races, while bringing back a familiar face here and there. I guess where the show failed was when the series ignored the Maquis and Voyager crew conflicts. These conflicts started to dwindle in the first season!!! I loved seeing Chakotay and Janeway go at it, disagreeing about how things should get done. This arc should have been carried on into the 3 or 4 season. No wonder why Beltran was pissed. He knew that this would have made the series more fun for him and others. Anyway....Paramount, please take the time to develop a first-class swan song for TNG. About the plot of X: I say the story should focus mostly on the Romulans, but include Spock, Sela, the Klingons, Cardassions, and people from DS9 and Voyager. Just include enough people from all of these groups for a story that encompasses the true passion of what Gene wanted: a brighter and kinder future where human(beings) will learn to appreciate life while exploring the inner and outer workings of existence. For example, have a story about all of the Alpha peoples work together to solve a problem that could destroy the galaxy. Include a mysterious and powerful race, the Iconians, who would come back from another part of the Milky Way (Beta Quad) demanding that they get their "empire" back. By introducing this old resident species who arrives with mysterious power and demands unfounded, everyone associated with the Alpha Quad will have to join together to fight this invasion (or misunderstanding). The Iconians can come back to reclaim their empire through their portal technology (a new portal allowing for starships to pass through) after centuries have past. ***And for all of you whining and complaining about Star Trek's current state...go cry somewhere where people will feel sorry for you. I enjoy watching any Star Trek that is thrown at me, even if it does need a little fanfare inspiration to make it better. Fredrick Douglas once said "Without struggle there is no progress." I agree.
Aug. 17, 2001, 12:01 p.m. CST
I figured out a loophole in the Odd Numbered Curse that will ensure that all future Star Trek films are as cool as First Contact. Do 'em like the Pokemon films! Have a 20 minute short sucky odd-numbered film (i.e. "Picard-Chu's Vacation": Picard goes to a secret island full of Starfleet captains) followed by a 1 hour 40 minute kick-ass even-numbered film (i.e. Q gives everyone in the universe Q abilities; Picard tries to ruin everyone's fun. Borg are involved, somehow.) Say, does the "odd=bad, even=good" curse affect any other movie franchises?__________________________________ Steve Brandon Kiyone_Mabi@galaxypolice.com
Aug. 17, 2001, 1:14 p.m. CST
by The Mole
At its best Trek is about characters and good stories and is accessible to a wider audience than Trekkers and sci-fi fans. Too much recent Trek has relied on trite sci-fi concepts (e.g: time travel and technobabble) and an immersion in its own mythology (post TOS) which limits its appeal. If there is to be another film it should present a truly dramatic story which develops at least one of the main characters. The film Sink the Bismark (based on actual events in World War II) has always struck me as a good model for a Trek film. In the film Kenneth More plays a veteran captain who reluctantly accepts a desk job in the British Admiralty's operations room and is intimately, though remotely, involved in the Royal Navy's desparate hunt for, and ultimate sinking of, the fearsome Nazi battleship Bismark. Squadrons of British ships are involved in the chase and ensuing battles and at one point More's son, a naval airman, is posted missing, feared dead. An especially dramatic moment is the destruction of HMS Hood, pride of the Royal Navy and symbol of British naval supremacy, in a huge explosion. Think of it...Picard in the Kenneth More role...a new and seemingly invincible enemy vessel threatening the security of the Federation...the familiar crew members scattered amongst Star Fleet vessels engaged in the pursuit (finally awarded the promotions they deserve)...the Enterprise with Riker at the helm destroyed by a single lucky shot!...Picard's key role in forging the strategy that allows Star Fleet to win the day... I'm not saying this would be to everyone's taste and it would be better to devise something wholly original but if you watch Sink the Bismark with this in mind you may agree that it suggests a way of providing the action, plot, and character that I for one desire in a Trek story.
Aug. 17, 2001, 1:33 p.m. CST
I read a review of the Trek X script at Dark Horizons.com and frankly, the movie sucks sweaty nut-sack. It seems to be slapped together with material from all of the Star Trek movies and put together as a sloppy mess. They even kill off (important TNG character), which is obviously a rip-off of Trek II. This movie would make Trek V look like only the second worst of the series; at least that movie was goofy enough to get a laugh out of it. I think it would be in Paramount's best interests to let Patrick Stewart go complete his little X-Men flick and focus on rewriting that disaster of a script for Trek X. You know, give everyone a little time to get things right and make this a successful project. The cast of TNG deserves a better movie than what's been offered to them, and if stupid Paramount keeps dragging them in the dirt, the Star Trek franchise might certainly suffer. Comon Paramount, flush this crap down the toilet where it belongs and make a REAL movie.
Aug. 17, 2001, 1:52 p.m. CST
I am a Star Trek fan. For the record my favorite Treks were KHAN and UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. I also liked VOYAGE HOME very much. I look forward to Star Trek movies and I was very excited at what I was hearing concerning the new film and the outside talent that was being brought in (Logan, Baird etc) but I have a feeling that the script that was reviewed on DARK HORIZONS was the real thing. But it was highly derivative and focused mostly on Picard and his Romulan clone (that's a lame excuse for a villain) and not one but TWO Datas, plus the other old stuff (genesis-like device, death and ressurection of a major character in THE SAME DAMN MOVIE (!), tired desert planet settings, etc) Paramount deserves all the good credit, if it drydocked the STAR TREK: NEMESIS script that was reviewed on DARK HORIZONS. I do not blame Michael Dorn for not signing on to the Picard/Data, (Picard Romulan/B-6) shitfest that was reviewed on DARK HORIZONS. The Rick Berman, Patrick Stewart, Brent Spiner trio is sucking the life out of this once great franchise and movie series. These three clowns got their wishes on INSURRECTION and look how that turned out: breast jokes, zit jokes, "lock and load," mambo dancing, Gilbert and Sullivan singing, plastic-surgery obsessed villains, brief, shoddily edited space battles with controled by joysticks (!), a bunch of New Age hippies being lead to freedom LOST HORIZONS-style, blah blah blah - need I say more?!! Didn't Paramount look at INSURRECTION'S grosses (the film sputtered til $70 million) and learn anything!?!! Why is Rick Berman still in charge? Why didn't they get another producer? Nicholas Meyer, Ralph Winter, Leonard Nimoy, anyone but not Berman? Either give us a decent, exciting, dramatic and ORIGINAL Star Trek film. As much as I wanted to see STAR TREX X in '02, I'd rather prefer if Paramount shelved a defective product now and make us wait another couple of years for something that does work. Paramount needs a crowd-pleaser, something that will bring in the non-Trekkies, maybe appeal to an action crowd more a la FIRST CONTACT but audiences need an emotional, unpredictable and exciting climax, a final chapter that will honor TNG and its fans, not Brent Spiner warbling "blue skies" over the closing scenes. If I want to hear Spiner sing, I'll rent OUT TO SEA again.
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:01 p.m. CST
until 2003 for the next Trek movie. If they still don't even know WHICH SCRIPT they're going to be filming, how can they build sets and cast supporting characters in time before X-Men 2 starts filming? Sorry to say, but it looks like we won't see this film anytime soon.
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:02 p.m. CST
i know what we can do with braga, the motherf ucker screwing up the star trek franchise; first, drag his worthless ass out of his house or trailer or whatever and beat the shit out of him in the streets; then have worf jack him off until he cums everywhere and force him to lick it up and swallow it all down; then have the whole TNG, Ds9, and Voyager cast pistol-whip his fucking ass with phasers and tricorders then fucking tar and fether his ass and dress him up as Sybok from st V and laugh at his stupid ass and then for shits and giggles, kick his ass again. Then put his ass on a skin strecher machine from insurection and torture his ass until he looks like a fucking viidian. then finally take a borg and have it skull-fuck braga until he bleeds from his ass, then fucking shove a damn warp core up his ass so when he takes a shit he goes fucking transwarp! Okay, I'm cooled off now. That fucking piece of shit...
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:14 p.m. CST
Here's something to chew on..... When AICN reviewed the ST:X script, Moriarity gave it a positive review and hardly anyone notices. A reviewer who submitted a review of the ST:X script to DH trashes it and EVERYONE jumps on the bandwagon of "Let Trek die... blah blah blah". Until a couple of days ago, ST:X had a good buzz, then someone (who sounds like a fanboy who hates Berman and already has a skewed perspective) submits a bad review and everyone is quick to bash the shit out of it. Don't be so quick to judge something unless you yourself have seen the script. ~R
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:40 p.m. CST
Nemesis is one of the worst ideas for a Star Trek plot I've ever read, because everything that's been done before has been done better previously. (Spoilers here, if you haven't read the review of it, so watch out.) Here's how I'd save Paramount from themselves: . . . 1) Remove Berman from immediate association with the franchise until Paramount's BOD can determine his full fitness. He's got Roddenberry-envy issues, and he just doesn't make a quality Star Trek product. "Enterprise" serves his interests-- not the fans-- and that's pitiful. . . . 2) Concentrate on what fans like. We like Star Trek 2, sure... but that ships has flown, so to speak. We like knowing things about the Star Trek universe and seeing those elements come into play. . . . 3) Use elements from Voyager, and resolve issues from Deep Space Nine. Prepare to work in the return of Sisko. we want to see these characters again, even if it's just brief. Plan around the budget, using the actors liberally. Do NOT center on any one actor-- including Picard-- for too long. It's an ensemble piece; treat it as such. . . . 4) Recreate the script, hiring Peter David as writer, or possibly a script consultant. Concentrate on the Romulans, using Sela as an adversary. Tie Sisko's return in with the subterfuge he did in getting the Romulans to side with the Federation in the Dominion War. . . . 5) Exclude Brent Spiner from the script-writing process. Consult about development with everyone in the cast, and offer him a good role with decent dialogue for Data, but don't put script-writing choices in the hands of an actor's vanity. Sorry, but the "Data clone" idea is one of the worst I've ever heard of. . . . 6) Begin building a website to launch the new movie during the filming, and concentrate on hyping the movie by its merits-- the entire Star Trek Universe (of the 24th century) coming to a conflict and different races choosing sides. Instead of yet another sci-fi action-packed third act resolution, let the characters use diplomacy, and Roddenberry's ideas, to win the day and save the universe (one more time).
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:46 p.m. CST
Roddenberry still had a hand in DS9. This goes back to Berman's relationship with Roddenberry, and the tall shadow that Berman can't seem to get out from under.
Aug. 17, 2001, 2:47 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
With the execption of Picard I could care less if any of the TNG crew is in the next film. I say do the next film with Spock going to find Kirk alive and well in the nexus. Returning the favor from when Kirk saved Spock from death.
Aug. 17, 2001, 3:05 p.m. CST
by Jabba Papa
And SCREW YOU 2 !! Please go and watch Twin Peaks : Firewalk With Me. Oxygen to the brain...
Aug. 17, 2001, 7:08 p.m. CST
by Big Rude
I think Votager was a really entertaining series. It had it's bad seasons, but it also had some really good ones. DS9 just seemed really tacky to me with all it's "serious" topics, which never really came off as especially serious to me. God- that show was so unentertaining! The appeal of Voyager for me is that, except when the Borg or Q ARENT the focus of an episode, the stories are usually little one-shots that aren't overwhelmed with "Federation Politics" or other boring crap that Next Gen and DS9 were all about. And the characters were good (in a campy old serial way). As far as a new trek movie- I could care less if they actually ever make another movie. Riker! Ugh... What a putz! hehe- But if they must, I think it'd be good if they take a LONG time to get a good script together, and just try and make a decent Sci-Fi movie... You know that won't happen though...
Aug. 17, 2001, 11:45 p.m. CST
Michael Dorn's true calling was providing the voice for I.M. Weasel. He was born to do it. Star Trek movies were a big deal back in the 80s but so were the Boston Celtics, Duran Duran and break dancing. Can you say diminishing returns? And as for that annoying odd/even Star Trek rule, I didn't think Undiscovered Country or First Contact were any great shakes (not compared to WOK or Voyage Home). Just mildly better than the installments which directly preceded them. Star Trek used to be something really, really great, like when it was just a TV show back in the 60s. Everything else, besides Khan and Voyage Home has been a cure for insomnia. Whenever I caught an episode of TNG, I felt like I was watching a textbook on quantum physics. All other enterprises of this franchise have decreased exponentially in their appeal. There has to be a point when the Trekkie or Trekker looks up from his tricorder and says "It's dead Jim..."
Aug. 18, 2001, 2:12 a.m. CST
Paramount should dump the whole, over-the-hill, flabby, money grabbin next-gen crew and make a kick-ass movie with the Voyager team. Think about it : in Star Trek : Indiscribably Boring or whatever it was called the crew looks tired and emotional .... to the general pop. Voyager is very much what Star Trek is about these days. A great script and cool effects could make the anti-Voyager brigade eat shit .. who's with me ?
Aug. 18, 2001, 11:29 p.m. CST
To HELL with the TNG cast, If Paramount wants a Trek Movie that'll make money. BRING BACK KIRK. The Trek films use to have mass appeal and make a respectible amount of money at the box office... Back when they featured the regular cast. No one except Trekkies give a rat's ass about Picard and co. Even someone like me who is a die-hard SW fan but is still a bit of a Trekkie waits untill the TNG films come on video because I know I'll enjoy them more that way since they're basically just glorified 2-part episodes. The classic films felt like an event (well except for V.) I remember seeing TMP and TWOK as a kid and in both viewings people would cheer the first time each character appeared on screen... And EVERYTIME I saw a classic Trek film in the theater it was a full house. The classic films appealed to a wide audience, heck even my mom who ALWAYS hated Trek enjoyed the movies, in fact she counts STIV as one of her all time favorite films! While the TNG cast where fine on TV they just don't have the larger then life qualities to sustain a feature, the only one who comes close is Patrick Stewert who IS a fine actor. (I highly reccomend his recent made-for-cable film "Safe House"). But even he lacks the magic of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov and I think the DS9 and Voyager casts would be even less interesting on the big screen. What really makes me sick is the majority of Trekkies hate Bill Shatner as Kirk. I got news for those dopes: THERE WOULD BE NO TREK WITHOUT SHATNER. It wouldn't even made it to the air much less become a cult phenomenon. Ask any person with a life to name the Captain of the Enterprise and they'll say "Captain James T. Kirk" without even thinking about it. Then ask them who played him and they'll say "William Shatner" Ask them about Picard and they'll say... Oh that bald guy who was just in X-Men ummm, yeah...uhh what's his name..." The only way I could see them make a very successful TNG movie is if it was epic and told a really interesting and thought-provoking story. Something like TMP but with a bit more oooomph. They just can't do character based films like STIV and STVI did with the orginal cast. I think having romulans as enemies is a good idea. First Contact was the closest TNG film to being a success but it suffered from the Borg being boring. (Not to mention the Borg Queen was cheesier then the cheesiest TOS episode). I found Inssurection to be ammusing and some-what fun but it was just a two-part episode at heart, little more. Generations respersented the worst things Trek can offer, Berman and Braga throwing around techninalbabble with retarded glee and blissful ignorence in an attept to seem deep or intelligent. The only parts of that film I enjoyed where the opening scene with Kirk and the crash of the Enterprise-D's saucer section. WHich brings me to another flaw evident in TNG films... We never get to know or have any connection of feelings for the Enterprise D or E the way we felt about the refited orginal Enterprise. TMP and TWOK had these wonderfully grand sequences establishing the beauty and majestic qualities of the greatest of all starships. in fact it made me love the ship so much as a kid I CRIED when they blew it up in STIII. In contrast when the Enterprise D blew up and crashed all I thought was "Woah, ILM did some really cool effects!". And this is a ship I watched for 8 seasons on TV yet I cared nothing about her. Heck I was more worried about Data's cat! Trek TV isn't looking much better. I was interested in "Enterprise" untill I saw what the ship looked like and saw the promos and now I feel it's gonna be more Berman and Braga BS. I say do a movie with Spock and Scotty rescuing Kirk with the help of Picard and then set Trek on the shelf for 10 years untill someone comes along who can restore it to it's former glory. Berman and Braga are just going to beat it completly to death to the point where Trek will never be able to revive itself again.
Aug. 19, 2001, 9:04 a.m. CST
Let us take a moment an consider trek. TOS collected a fan following and after so many years it was time for next generation. Since there had been several decades between them, audience was receptive. Then came a time to end TNG and come up with a new idea. Around this time, one JMS offered Babylon 5 to paramount which declined the offer but nonetheless took several ideas their new series which would later become DS9. Now DS9 had it's problems and was not well received initially (that's what I have heard). Bad episodes did not help the fact. So powers that be decided that another ship going where no man had gone before would bring nice bucks. Voyager was born, with sad results IMO. After two seasons DS9 was in bit of a crisis. Most writers jumped shows and few remaining ones had problems to keep the show alive. For some strange reason they had the most brilliant idea of copying DS9 and giving it more darker feeling, while characters received more shades of grey. This worked very well. Trek universe finally received some new blood as series acquiered recurring characters and had clear character development. Not to mention the grand scale of events, which led the entire alpha quadrant into peril and forced Romulans and Klingons to fight together. Strong actors such as Avery brooks, Colm Meaney, Rene Auberjonois, Andrew Robinson, Marc Alaimo etc.. grabbed this new material with renewed enthusiasm and DS9 could (IMO) grab the title for best trek crew ever. Series maintained it's strong quality until the end. Meanwhile Voyager was continuing somewhere beyong known space, lacking everything what made DS9 succesfull. Robert Beltrna even mentioned his repeated attempts to get fired because he hated the show and was very unenthuastic to continue making it. As the series progressed, desperate attempt to boost ratings was made by introducing Seven of Nine and overusing borgs. This seems to have worked since series made it's 7 year run. But problem remained. IMO I could not really care about few hundred bungling explorers who tried to make their way home. Where was the grandeur? I mean, BSG succeeded in this lot better and it was made over decade earlier and run for a single season! BSG had remains of mankind to protect*. Here we have few starfleet officers and maquis. Now we are receiving Enterpise, which to me seems another attempt to milk long dead cow of 'one ship against unknows' theme. And Trek X then? Where are original ideas? where is grandeur? Nowhere to be found! I do hope that Rick Berman is to blame on this one, since I do not believe John Logan could write this kind of stuff. they might as well take 'unification' and write a movie about Spocks influence on Romulan society. That would probably work much better than bad action flick they are now pushing. * Not to mention that they had Lorne Greene who has more presence than entire voyager crew put together. Simpi.
Aug. 21, 2001, 9:42 p.m. CST
I don't care what all of you say I think that the next star trek film will be awsome!