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The Status of TOY STORY 3....
Hey folks Harry here.... You all know my undying love of TOY STORY and TOY STORY 2... Well the new PREMIERE magazine (fantastic issue... it has the Fall movie guide, a great feature on Elijah Wood & LORD OF THE RINGS and a cool Kevin Smith interview!) which has the scoop on TOY STORY 3, so... to give us the lowdown, Oliver from AnimatedMovies sent in the following... While I dearly love the two TOY STORY films, I would prefer to see that happen after Jobs and crew decide not to sign back up with Disney and form their own company. After all, PIXAR's been carrying Disney long enough... TIme to rule on their own!
Hey Harry! I'll save you the
thank-you-so-much-for-your-site part: the September
2001 issue of Premiere features an article entitled
"It's Too Small A World, After All" that gives
interesting details about the status of "Toy Story 3".
Should you publish this, please refer to me as
"Olivier" and if possible include a link to my
animation site (AnimatedMovies). Okay, I
can't resist... Thank you so much for your site!!
Disney and Pixar are bound to a 1997 contract for five
movies -a deal that both Steve Jobs and Michael Eisner
intend to follow to the letter. But Eisner wants five
movies plus Toy Story 3 -under the same deal. And it
seems that Jobs is balking at it.
When the deal was signed, Disney's policy dictated
that all sequels go straight to video, so to not
include a videobound Toy Story 2 inthe deal made
sense. But when Pixar recognized that Toy Story 2 had
theatrical legs, they convinced a reluctant Disney to
back a full theatrical release. They couldn't have
been more right -but as far as Michael Eisner is
concerned, it didn't count as one of the five
pictures.
So is Toy Story 3 in the offing? According to Eisner,
"definitely." John Lasseter hedges/ he's still
noodling with story issues, but he would "never say
never" to another sequel. Pixar's President and chief
technology officer Edwin Catmull says that he hopes
that Pixar makes Toy Story 3 "sometime." Both
companies agree that the sequel isn't in the pipeline.
The next four Pixar-Disney pictures will be fulfilled
by Monsters, Inc, Stanton's Finding Nemo, Lasseter's
next original movie, and a film by Brad Bird.
Eisner makes it sound as though putting off Toy Story
3 was his idea. He says that after Toy Story 2 and A
Bug's Life, Pixar had a good idea for Toy Story 3, but
he insisted that they pursue Lasseter's next original
film. "Either choice would have been right," Eisner
says, "but I didn't want to wait until 2008 for John's
original idea. We have the right to do a sequel
irrespective of the two deals. I don't need a new deal
to make Toy Story 3. I can get five movies plus Toy
Story 3."
Finally, Pixar can't take any Toy Story sequel to
another studio. Says one source close to both
companies, "Jobs only would agree to do Toy Story 3 to
get out of this contract faster." Jobs insists that
Toy Story 3 is neither on the current slate nor in
production. "Leave it at that," he says. Will it
happen later, then? Leaning back in his chair with a
mischievous grin, Job says, "Life is long."
If Monsters, Inc. and Finding Nemo meet expectations,
could the two companies renegotiate the deal? After
all, Lasseter is close to both Eisner and Schumacher.
Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group president Dick Cook
sounds conciliatory. "I'm sure there will be room to
expand the deal and that both sides will want to," he
says. He doesn't see Toy Story 3 as a sticking point:
"Audiences will almost demand that it be made."
All in Pixar's sweet time. "Pixar has no current plans
to create Toy Story 3 and is under no obligation to do
so," says a company spokesperson. "Under the current
deal, John picks his own projects, and no one insists
on what he should do. With more than $250 million in
cash in the bank and no debt, Pixar has the financial
resources to finance and market its own films. Given
Pixar's track record, several studios would likely be
willing to finance everything in exchange for a chance
to work with Pixar."
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Make Toy Story 3, 4, 5.... If the second was any indication, this is a franchise that can get BETTER.
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... and since Disney just bought Saban, and has a contract with Hasbro to make toys for their next few movies, i want to see TRANSFORMERS. Give me Optimus Prime or someone from Beast Wars or one of the new Robots In Disguise!!
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I love the "Toy Story" films, but I think Disney should concentrate more on "Tron 2.0", I'm sure a lot of you would agree with me?!
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Pixar doesn't have Transformers, but Disney and Hasbro are pretty close now, and with Disney's recent purchase of Fox Kids and Saban, they now also own the brand new Transformer series that will start airing in september. I've sent Harry several emails with scoops on this series, but he's never printed any of them. If ya dig transformers, check http://transfandom.com, we're the first site on the wbe with all the TF info. as for Brad Bird, Iron Giant was probably one of the best animated features I've ever seen, and if he and pixar team up, we're bound to see something that will put toy story to shame!
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Just the other day I was wondering what the heck happened to Brad Bird's deal with Pixar. I was kinda disappointed when they announced "Finding Nemo"--sounds like a pretty dull concept, and no Brad Bird anywhere in sight. Bird apparently has two movies he'd like to make: THE INCREDIBLES and RAY GUNN. I got the impression that GUNN was a fairly hard-edged SF movie, and I think I first heard of INCREDIBLES in association with Pixar, so I'm guessing that's what's on the plate. Do we really have to wait that long, though? NEMO is planned for 2003. Bird joined the company over a year ago--why didn't they make his film the next one after MONSTERS, INC.?
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Hey, what a great idea. Let's have Hanks' character face off (heh-heh) with this evil fat hobgoblin of a toy named Balloon Monster and get him voiced by Travolta!
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Under the revised deal, Disney purchased 5% of Pixar stock and has the right to purchase up to 25% of the company.
No matter what happens with the two - success or failure - I think that they will remain partners in some form. At least Disney will have 25% of Pixar, even if they go to another studio.
Pixar will get a better deal from Disney and will most likely stay put.
In fact, I predict that John Lassiter will evolve into a "Walt-like" figure as a friendly spokesperson for the two companies (much as on the DVDS) and an Idea machine for the parks, films, etc.
Good things will happen for both!
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Aug 13, 2001 12:20:02 PM CDT
Of course Eisner wants new ideas. New characters = new franchis
by lance rock
Toy Story will always be there for a sequel, but Disney needs new product to spin off into ancillary markets. It's all about the money, baby!!!!
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...to put the contractual screws to Pixar at this point. With the horrific state of Disney's animation division, the last thing that they need is for their biggest sure bet studio to go AWOL. If they think Lilo & Stitch is going to start a new Renaissance, fine. But something tells me that's what they thought when they started Atlantis. I hope this is just a silly, out-of-proportion rumor, because it would be a shame to see Disney tarnish themselves even further, what with underperforming new movies, ridiculously edited video releases, the not-quite-failure of California Adventure, and the all-too visible decline of Disneyland.
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In that it's a project that everyone would want to see, until they think about it good and hard. IMHO Toy Story 2, just like the Last Crusade, ended on perfect series-closing notes. I know I'm not as creative as the pixar guys, but when two movies in a series work so well together it seems sortof silly to want to add another one to the mix. Besides, Slinky dog is gone...Now, I DO want to see whatever Brad bird comes up with next, but my dream CGI project is a Joe Johnston-directed, ILM animated 'Secret of Monkey Island.' Would that be fun or what?
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I could care less about every other movie Disney has in the works - as long as they do justice with the new Tron! We all know the first one was a noble fizzle - GORGEOUS designs within a half-assed half-clever mythical computer adventure story, hampered by marketing in Disney's dark nearly bankrupt Atari era... the new Tron has the potential to finally realize the original's potential. As far as I remember, the live-action movie rights to the TRANSFORMERS property are still owned by Chris Lee's SuperMegaMedia shingle over at Sony, with Joseph Kahn slated to direct. Granted, Chris Lee was an exec producer on the disastrous Final Fantasy which may taint his attempt to make a Transformers movie, but that wouldn't be fair since FF was Square One's botched New Age bungle, not Lee's direct fault. Disney now has the new Transformers SERIES as owner of Fox Family/Saban, but I haven't heard a single official word about their somehow stealing a feature away from Chris Lee (who's also making the SWAT movie). As much as we all love to blast Disney's last few years of animated garbage (Tarzan being the noble exception), I was quite impressed with the trailers for their next several offerings... Peter Pan 2 looks like fun, Lilo & Stitch looks like an anarchic blast (a Hawaiian hula-girl cross between Gremlins and Iron Giant), and other than some ugly characters, the art work of Treasure Planet is breathtakingly beautiful.
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...that's BRILLIANT!
Heck, I'd suffice for a small cameo in something like Toy Story 3. Prime and Megatron duke it out benignly in the background and all is going well until one of Prime's fists falls out.
...oh yeah. That'd be sweet.
Andy would be old enough by then to have broken into the collector's market, right?
Right.
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...they should of left this Toy Story thing at Toy Story 2. I hope their heads aren't in the clouds thinking they can get lucky with the supporting cast AGAIN, because they will be short one person minimum: Jim Varney. I really doubt they can pull the rest together for a third time as well. I don't really care about the supporting cast, but if Tom Hanks and Tim Allen aren't there, I'm not wasting my time. Plus, I don't think Disney will bend over backwards again for Pixar to release their sequel in theatres, because Disney may be thinking this Toy Story stuff is getting old. Pixar can bury this Toy Story 3 thing without any man power wasted, luck pushed, and money thrown out the window, since they're already trying to anyway.
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I thought about the idea of a third Toy Story film after going through the Toy Story DVD box-set. I know those guys aren't interested unless they have a great premise. My idea is of a futuristic Toy Story where Andy, grown up, finds his old toys in storage and gives them to his grandchildren... And now the antiquated toys we know and love (even Buzz has to deal with now being an archaic toy) are having to deal with the machinations of the mid-21st century. Flying pizza trucks, Sid grown up, what have you. I think the idea is ripe for exploitation. Anyone want to pitch this to Lassiter for me?
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You notice that he requests to be referred to as "Olivier". Open your eyes people!
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Next to Lasseter, Brad Bird could save Disney animation, both CGI and traditional. The Iron Giant is one of the most underrated animated films. It's brilliant in its design, the story is well paced, the voices perfect. And it is one of the funniest animated films next to both Toy Story films. Warner Bros. dropped the ball on this film, and that was sad. Buy or rent this film. Brad Bird (remember the Family Dog, another underrated program) should be treated like Lasseter is. A great animator with a keen sense of humor.
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however, i didnt like bugs life, thought it got too low brow like many disney films, like that poop joke, but toy story 1+2 are titans of the G movie quaily.
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TOY STORY was lame-as-hell and DISNEY IS EVIL! THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! GIVE THEM NO MORE OF YOUR MONEY OR FACE THEIR REIGN! You've been warned...
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granted pixar makes great movies, but is that alone to guarantee a success? Disney has marketing prowess that no other studio can beat, they own abc and can really make or break a movie. They screwed the emperors new groove over because it didn't have the tried and tested (over and over and over again) disney formula. Do u think a pixar movie with warner bros would've been so successful? who does all the tie ins, the action figures, the promotion blah blah. The disney name is enough to get hordes of families and kids in the theatres, regardless how the reviews the movie is getting etc. Do u think pixar alone or pixar with anyone else could get the kids into the multiplex as fast as disney can? no! the pixar-disney alliance is good as it stands now, both need each other desperately.
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the thought of another sequel concerns me. (Not to the point of losing sleep or anything, I just don't want to see the series tarnished by a below average sequel). Like another talkbacker mentioned, it's hard enough to get ONE decent sequel to a good movie, let alone two. (Godfather 3 or Superman 3, anyone?) Now, I'm not against the idea of a Toy Story 3, as long as it's done with the care that obviously went into the first two. And of course, you'd have to get back the entire cast, minus Jim Varney, R.I.P. I actually thought that The KeenGuy's suggestion for a story idea wasn't too bad. Check out his post. Oh, and The Iron Giant ruled!
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Sgt. Bilko: You may be surprised yet. ILM is majorly gearing up to do an all CGI movie. (no no SWE3 doesn't count) They wanted to do Frankenstein but that fell through, Grim Fandango was a strong possiblity for a while but it was decided that it wasn't something they could market to kids. (I know, ack) So I think within the next 5 years we will see them do one. As for Toy Story 3, I wouldn't mind seeing another one. Just a wild guess but they could have the toys deal with imports from Japan.
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....why this sudden fascination
with Tron 2.0?? The look was cool for it's day... the story slightly hack kneed. I like the 80's tinny arcade sound track but come on. It's over. Move on. Why not make Inner Space: 2.0 The Return To Martin Short's Pee Hole??? Where's Solar Babies 2: Electric Boogaloo? Space Hunter 2: Adventures In The Forbidden Karmasutra? If this is some lame half assed flick to add up 5 features for Eisner's list...than by god...DO IT!! -
Toy Story 3 would rock. It should be about a nostalgic reissue of the Woody's roundup toys and Woody would be used as the model as he of course is the only surviving copy. Then a few months later the Woody line is resculpted by The Four Horsemen and is all bulging biceps.
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Aug 14, 2001 6:18:39 AM CDT
I wonder if the real Olivier got mad when people called him "Oli
by jonquixote
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If a third one comes out, I'm gonna have Jessie toys eating me out of house and home. Yee haw!
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$250 mil in cash and NO DEBT? Damn, Pixar, you da MAN! Could I borrow fifty thou, just to get back on my feet?
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If anyone's still reading these posts, MovieManiac's point is dead on. The combination of Disney's brand and marketing/distribution muscle and Pixar's creative genius is proof that the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. Both sides are better off with each other, and Eisner and Jobs know it. This is just negotiation posturing by two smart and extraordinarily tough businessmen, who are trying to make sure they don't leave money on the table before making a deal. Here's my wet dream -- Disney buys Pixar (making Jobs not only richer than he already is, but a possible successor to Eisner or at least an active board member), and Lasseter becomes head of Disney Feature Animation, both CGI and traditional. By the way Harry, Disney owns the right to make sequels to all of the Pixar films, so there's no way Pixar could do TS3 without Disney. If anyone's interested, Pixar's annual filings with the Securities Exchange Commission (available at www.pixar.com/investor/index.html)contain a detailed (if somewhat dry) description of its deal with Disney, which seems to put Disney in the driver's seat when it comes to exploiting these movies and their characters.
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