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MORIARTY Weighs In On JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

At the very start of Kevin Smith’s new film, there’s an image that surprised me because of how well it communicates the tenuous nature of friendship. It’s the 70s. A baby sits in a stroller outside the Quickie Stop. Another baby is wheeled up by a woman who leaves her baby next to the first baby while she goes to duck into a head shop. When some guy protests, the woman tells him to mind his own fucking business, tells him that the two babies can watch each other, and that they’ll be fine. She heads inside, and one of the babies starts to say, “Fuck” over and over. As we watch, the years pass, and we dissolve from those babies to the now-familiar titular characters of JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, standing in their spot, Jay still repeating his mantra of “Fuck.” We frequently don’t pick our friends in any conscious way. Circumstance and random fortune pick them for us, and in a few brief moments, Smith fills us in on all the history anyone would need to know about how these two ended up together.

And make no mistake: if there’s anything this film is “about,” it’s friendship and the enduring power of it. It’s both text and subtext here. As you watch Smith’s various friends all making return appearances, you realize just what an extended family he’s built over the course of making his New Jersey films, and it’s hard not to be jealous of the experience. It’s rare enough in this business to be able to tell your stories your way, but to be able to build an ensemble of actors who you know you can call on anytime, for any reason... that’s a beautiful thing.

The plot for J&SBSB is slight at best. The duo learns that the rights to BLUNTMAN & CHRONIC have been sold to Miramax Films for a “big Hollywood movie,” and after reading the negative Internet buzz on a suspiciously familiar message board, they decided to save their good names by heading to Los Angeles to stop the film. Along the way, they end up getting involved with a gang of insanely hot jewel thieves, they steal an orangutan, they learn the “rules of the road” from George Carlin, and they make more filthy jokes than I could believe the MPAA allowed. This isn’t really a film about story, though, and that’s fine. When the film is focused on character comedy, I think it’s very funny. For me, the big surprise of the picture is that Jason Mewes has what it takes to carry a film. I’ve always thought he was entertaining, but Smith has been very judicious about how much he gave Mewes to do in the movies over the years. When you listen to some of the audio commentary tracks with Mewes, it’s easy to understand why. He sounds like he IS Jay in many ways. This time out, though, he’s front and center for the entire running time of the movie, and if he failed, the movie would, too. He reveals a great deal of charm as he plays opposite Shannon Elizabeth, and he’s more than willing to deflate his own image in the name of a laugh. As Silent Bob, Smith pretty much just shoots reaction shots at the camera in response to Jay’s dialogue. He’s hamming it up here on a level he’s never approached before, and it changes the character dynamic a bit. More than anything, this is a follow-up to MALLRATS in tone. The comedy is big and broad and silly, and Smith seems willing to do anything for a joke.

Unfortunately, that’s also part of the problem. There are some elaborate movie parody jokes here that are just plain tired. An E.T. reference might have been funny back in 1983, but with the 20th anniversary coming up next year, it’s just dated and tired. The SCOOBY-DOO bit only underlines how unfunny the “Scooby and Shaggy were stoned” jokes are, and in five minutes, Smith proves just how painful next summer’s live-action SCOOBY film is going to be. Mark Hamill’s cameo really never made me laugh. More than anything, I kept thinking “Wow, he looks really bad these days.” The STAR WARS jokes probably didn’t work for me just because of the sheer volume of STAR WARS “humor” I’m exposed to thank to this gig and the e-mail I’m bombarded with. Chris Rock’s role looks like it was trimmed quite a bit, and what’s left isn’t particularly witty or interesting. And considering how vocal Smith has been in criticizing Tim Burton for the ending of PLANET OF THE APES, supposedly lifted from a J&SB comic from a few years ago, Smith is shameless in lifting his final 30 minutes of film from PEE WEE’S BIG ADVENTURE. For a guy who signed my copy of SUPERMAN LIVES “Fuck Tim Burton,” Smith sure seems happy to borrow from him.

Still, overall, I laughed very hard at much of this film, and I hope it does well enough to launch Kevin into the next phase of his career with a hit under his belt. He uses Will Farrell very well, something I always admire, and also gets great work from any number of other cast members. Eliza Dushku is unreasonably sexy in the film in a boozy BUTTERFIELD 8 way, and I envy Joe Quesada, who plays a pizzaguy Dushku randomly decides to boff. Lucky bastard. Shannon Elizabeth makes Jay credible as a romantic lead, meaning she should probably be nominated for an Oscar next year. Special mention must be made of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who literally defuse any criticism I’ve ever heard of either of their filmographies in one great sequence on the set of GOOD WILL HUNTING 2: HUNTING SEASON. The way they rip each other’s hits and misses is the sort of thing that only good friends can get away with, returning us to the film’s one big theme.

Also, I’d like to say that I am not only shocked by the way GLAAD has behaved towards this film, I’m disgusted. Their petty shakedown should be pointed out at any opportunity, and they should not be allowed to run the scam on any other filmmakers in the future. Essentially, their position seems to be “No gay jokes unless you pay us for them.” It seems like the only sort of gay humor that is acceptable is the prissy, obvious, over-the-top style of something like BUT I’M A CHEERLEADER. Any other humor that dares mention anything gay is in danger of being misinterpreted, and therefore the filmmakers should pay money to GLAAD. Charming. I don’t think Smith has made a satire about the way gay stereotypes are used or done anything subversive with his use of the language here. I just think he’s accurately recorded the way a large percentage of guys that age speak. In the end, it doesn’t matter why Kevin included the jokes he did. We still live in a country where speech, even unpopular speech, is defended by the Constitution. If he wants to make a film called KEVIN SMITH’S GREAT BIG FAG JOKE for his next movie, and Miramax is willing to pay for it, then so be it.

Director of photography Jamie Anderson deserves credit for helping Smith expand his visual vocabulary on this picture, and there are actually places where Smith seems to be having fun visually for the first time in his career. If he and Anderson had a good rapport, I hope they work together again. It would certainly be nice to see him continue making forward progress in this department, as I feel it’s always been the weak link in his films. I’d also like to thank Kevin personally for the Talk Back jokes in the movie. I’ve spoken with a lot of filmmakers about Talk Back over the years, and there is a particular kind of Talk Backer who terrifies filmmakers, the venal, virulant asshole who exists only to shit on things. Most of the time, it’s obvious that these people are very young, and that they don’t really care what the topic is. They just love the anonymity of the Internet and the chance to smear their own waste over whatever is being discussed. It is this particular group of people that Kevin takes aim at in this film, and it’s such a particular reference that I had to just sit there and shake my head, amazed. In particular, the stuff at the end of the movie had me gasping for air, delighted and horrified at the same time. The majority of you aren’t going to recognize yourselves up there, but if you do, and you’re offended by Smith’s jokes... GOOD. FUCK YOU. You deserve it, and I’m delighted to see someone get it so right.

I’ll definitely see the film again when it’s released, just to see how Alannis Morrissette was worked into the movie if nothing else. And I’m willing to bet the eventual DVD release of the film is loaded with extras and behind the scenes footage and other chocolatey goodness. In some ways, this is like one of the biggest home movies ever made. Both Kevin’s wife and daughter (as Baby Silent Bob) are in the film, and there’s going to come a time when he looks back on this and marvels at the experience and the sheer manic energy of the film itself. Overall, it’s a lot of fun, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did when it’s released in a few weeks. Until then...

"Moriarty" out.





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  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Eugene Jarblarski

    by heathbach

    insane i tell ya, insane

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:22 p.m. CST

    kevin smith you are the best

    by 28

    he made being a fanboy cool

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Judging by the previews alone, this movie sounds a lot like "Pee

    by IAmLegolas

    I can't wait to see it!

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Burton vs. K. Smith

    by Hjermsted

    Can someone tell me where the animosity between Burton and Smith comes from? It seems to me that, as geek fanboys, they have a great deal in common. But, then again, denial of having something in common is usually what causes such spats in the first place. I love Burton's films and enjoy Smith's movies very much. This tit for tat thing of theirs seems silly to me.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Moriarty check out his site...

    by T.N.T. Jackson

    Just for everyone's knowledge check out viewaskew.com and you will see that the whole Kevin Smith vs. Tim Burton thing isn't all it's cracked up to be. Smith clears up the "joke" with a posting. That's all.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Second!

    by Wild Man Jones

    Grow a pair and admit this film wasn't as good as the 2 minute preview. i saw it also and thought it lacked about 10 jokes. Stop making studio films and follow your heart Kevin

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Sigh.

    by The Pardoner

    I simply don't find Kevin Smith funny - perhaps because of repeated blows to the head as a child. His movies lie half-dead on the screen like a pool of spittle underneath the chin of some heavily anaesthetised clot: an image which is itself a decent description of movie screens this summer (excepting, of course, the happy lunacy of MOULIN ROUGE). Hopefully THE OTHERS and SEXY BEAST will get things back on track until I go to see APOCALYPSE REDUX in Toronto. I've been waiting for the Plantation scene ever since I saw HEATS OF DARKNESS... --- Radix malorum est cupiditas, droogies.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Correction:

    by The Pardoner

    I intended to type HEARTS OF DARKNESS - *Heats* of Darkness would be a very strange tale of drag racing at night, or of making toast during a blackout.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Finally!! A positive review of JSBSB!! Thanks, Moriarty

    by SilentBob X

    The next two weeks before Jay and SilentBob Strike Back are going to be the longest of the year. I can't wait for this movie. I hate to say it but this summer has sucked like Marilyn Chambers in both Insatiable flicks. Mightily and frequently. Both of the trailers I've seen kick ass and should ensure Kevin a big box office for sure. My only complaint, of course, is that this will be the last of the Jersey Saga. I will miss Jay and SilentBob and the entire gang(At least until Clerks: The Animated Movie). Now, a final word. Am I the only one who thinks that the ten grand EXTORTED from Kevin Smith from GLAAD was obscene? These idiots obviously didn't see Chasing Amy or its positive portrayal of gays and lesbians. I hate how special interest groups, in their infinite short sightedness, have so much pull over creative freedom in this country. Especially GLAAD. Look, I'm not gay, nor do I hate gays, but I don't think that I should be required by law to suck ten dicks or hand over a large sum of cash to an organization just to prove I'm not violently anti-homosexual. It's ridiculous. Snootch to the Motherfuckin' Nootch.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I think this is big malarky.

    by Tinuviel70

    "Kevin Smith's Great Big Fag Joke." I ask, how would it be any less offensive to African or other Americans, for example, if it were "Kevin Smith's Great big Nigger/Jew/Honky/Wap/Pollock/Jap/Kraut/Whatever/ Jokes" I am only using freedom of speech also, yes? Yak butter! Is much less about clever writing and subtle meaning than it is cheap shot for Kevin Smith to get publicity for movie just like he did in making Dogma. I have seen preview to this obnoxious piece of movie making turdery when watching Planet of Apes so I will be sure to NOT see it. I guess it must be generational thing as I didn't see anything in the preview that interested me in the least and humor was only base and scatological or trite immature sex. This is clever? The rest of you...have fun and just think me clueless when it comes to Kevin Smith. I just don't get any of his stuff and only posted because I found Moriatity's comment to be as equally offensive as Jay's character in preview. People at GLAAD is not point, it is that Smith is perpetuating the word gay as a perjorative. I know homosexual people who do not think it funny at all and think it only makes people see them as valueless and sub-human. In closing, I am sorry if I offended anyone with racial stereotype remark in beginning but I seek only to make point and being a person of 'color' too, I know about hurtful remarks and names no matter what excuse of being funny.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is exactly what the industry needs. Can't wait till

    by Brian 2000

    See Kevin, we aren't all bad (though I agree most of us are that bad). And I did mean the above very sincerely.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Will Ferrell

    by MCVamp

    It's not very hard to "use Will Ferrell" well. The man's ridiculously hilarious, whether he's in a good movie or a shit movie. In fact, only Jay Roach has made Will Ferrell unfunny, having him recycle his "very badly hurt" bit in Austin Powers 2. And Will STILL made it a bit funny, despite it all.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith Rocks

    by JimmyConway

    i absolutley cannot wait for this movie. i have loved everyting Kevin Smith has done, and re-visiting all the characters for one last time makes me want to see it so much more. so screw all of you who don't like him, sure you're entitled to your opinion but so am i goddammit and you're wrong!

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Gays are no more special than any other minority

    by Ru-Fi-Oooooh

    Ok, gays need to get themselves straightened out (not like that, you know). Personally, as a Jew, I LOVE jewish jokes. The more a movie makes fun of jews, the better it is. Now you might say, well yes, but that is all in good fun, but you know what, no more than this is. Just like jews tolerate antisemitic humor (and I mean even the harsh stuff, not just the nice stuff)from a jewish or pro-jewish director, gays should start doing the same. Look, any idiot who saw Chasing Amy knows that (while the movie sucked IMO), Kevin Smith has no problem with gays. He was NOT exploiting stereotypes, he was creating a unique individual who happened to be a part time lesbian (and if the part time bothers you, then maybe you should hate bisexuals or maybe even heterosexuals). Notice how, when Alyssa went to chat with her girl friends, they were so normal? Because KS knows and wants to show that gays are normal people. The fact that a completely over the top, unbelievable character bashes gays does NOT make that the point of the movie. Whatever, what's done is done, but I just had to rant on this.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:14 p.m. CST

    ...oh, and Hook rocks! Rufio! Rufio! Rufio!

    by Ru-Fi-Oooooh

  • All my life, everytime some conservative dickheads tried to get something banned from theaters, tv or radio, my leftist comrades have allways responded with "hey, if you don't like it, change the channel!" Then Dr Laura gets a show, and all of a sudden its "oh, we have to boycott every product made by whatever the hell the parent company was"! Total hypocrisy! IN the case of Dr Laura, who was using her public forum to tell people that homosexuality was immoral and unnatural, or Eminem, who was actually rapping about violence toward gays, I felt that it was important to get the opposing viewpoint out there, without resorting to boycott blackmail, but here we have a case where you just have a character in a movie using the words gay and fag in exactly the way we all know such a character would use them in real life--folks, it aint even worth complainin about! GET A LIFE!

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Tinuviel

    by Anton_Sirius

    I don't think having Jay say anything is exactly a ringing endorsement of that viewpoint. If Jay said "Yo, big man, I was pumpin' these two bitches' cornholes, just like they wanted it, and I looked up and the sky was blue" I'd run outside the theater to double-check. He is, after all, a clueless moron. Plus, don't apologize for making your point. Anybody who would be offended by what you posted isn't worth your time trying to appease.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Smith/GLAAD debate is First Amendment in action, so what the hec

    by eraser_x

    First Amendment means people can pretty much say what they want. Smith said what he wanted. Then GLAAD said what it wanted. Where's the Constitutional problem? Get a clue, Moriarty. Oh yeah, Moriarty, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with GLAAD, but your comment that "If he wants to make a film called KEVIN SMITH

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Filmakers who fear Internet talkbacks..?

    by Horus

    I find it really ,rather funny that the likes of Burton , Smith and Shuemaker seem to live in fear of the posts, on this and other websites.What's it coming to when big powerful Hollywood types get so upset over few losers,{I include myself}saying nasty things about their films.Part of the reason for this fear, seems to stem from the fact that these guys , are always surrounded by peaple who don't tell them the truth, Everythings great!.When they see a bit of harsh {but often very justified criticism} It comes as a shock.Im not talking about deaththreats here! , just along the lines of saying how much a costume design etc sucks. That said I'm surprised at Burton for bitching about the net.I thought he was a bit coooler and layed back , than that.And as for Smith , what's gotten into him?.He seems like the sort that would be posting that sorta stuff , not moaning about it.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Like he said, parts were funny and many were very UNFUNNY

    by Brock Landers

    Sure, but would you have liked it if it wasn't Kevin Smith? This film was all right, but better if you went in there after a few beers. trust me. Hey Moriarty, would love to know what you think of the next SW movie's title. Brock

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:44 p.m. CST

    my thoughts on the movie...

    by poo snot

    Sometimes you just need a little humor in life...if the humor in my life comes from Kevin Smith then all I have to say is SWEET. I think this movie will be awesome. Kevin Smith Rocks and is quite possibly one of the best filmmakers of our time! and for everyone out there who wants to make a talkback about my talkback all i have to say is "f#@$ talkbackers, f@#$ them up their stupid asses."

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Um, excuse me but...

    by dirty_dishes

    aren't we forgetting about LOTR? Sure I'll go see this movie, but can we seriously have an LOTR plug or something. And is not OASIS the greatest rock group ever? Do you think Liam will be kicked out? Will Ferrell is my favorite actor!!!!!!!!!!!~!!!!!Q

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Burton v. Smith (As I understand it)

    by Quiddity

    For those folks who asked about Burton & Smith hating each other...From what I am told, Smith wrote the script for "Superman Lives" and Burton proceeded to trash it as not worth using. I'm sure someone on AICN reviewed the script, though I missed it. What did they think?

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Uhhhh, SPOILER WARNING???

    by DarthSnoogans

    Harry, for someone who blasted Matt Drudge for posting spoiler material sans warning (for an uninspired part of an uninspired movie), you don't seem to be too concerned with your boy Moriarty posting spoiler material, especially about a joke that I'm sure many of your readers didn't want to see spoiled. Criminy, you pinko liberals are bad enough to deal with, much less hypocritical liberals (an obvious redundancy, but I thought I should be thorough).

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Always A Pleasure...

    by drew mcweeny

    Hey, "AllUCanLuvBuffet," did you read the full paragraph? I said the majority of all Talk Backers would not recognize themselves as the butt of the jokes. I think Talk Back is fun. But there are assholes who just randomly pop up to be assholes, who have no other purpose in posting. Those people are the target of the jokes in the movie. No one else should get worked up. I mean, are you one of those people? Wait... let me re-read your post. Oh... maybe he did mean you after all.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 4:22 p.m. CST

    If only Scooby Doo and the gang would get wind of what's being d

    by Tequila Wyrm

    ...get pissed like Jay and Silent Bob then carry their asses to Australia to stop that piece of shit film from being released.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 4:35 p.m. CST

    As a Dyslexic Gay Black Hindu Republican Female Midget with a li

    by (<>..<>)ABDUCTEE

    Did I mention that I'm a vegetarian?

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck Kevin Smith!

    by darthflagg

    Seriously, I like the guy and I enjoy all his movies (even Mallrats). And the fact that he didn't jump on the anti-TPM bandwagon with everyone else in '99 puts him in my cool book. But who the hell does he think he is constantly bashing a genuine artist like Tim Burton? Just cause he didn't like his Superman script that much? Smith is a good writer, but he'll never be half the filmmaker Burton is. Of course, if you could have a film that combined Smith's dialogue with Burton's visual genius, it would be an incredible thing of beauty. But that doesn't look like it's gonna happen, does it? And POTA ruled! Someone had to say it . . .

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Thanks MORIARTY...

    by bluefox

    FOR POSTING WITHOUT SPOILER WARNINGS...JUST PROVES WHAT A HYPOCRIT HARRY IS...YOU BITCH OUT DRUDGE AND HERE YOU GO LETTING MORIARTY POST WITHOUT WARNINGS! ACTUALLY I COULDN'T GIVE ONE SHIT ABOUT THIS SO CALLED MOVIE BUT SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY WANT TO SEE IT WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith = Overrated

    by The Praetor

    He and Ben Affleck should just crawl back into the bottle, never to return. I can't stand all you Gen-X hipsters who like Smith's bullshit.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 8:12 p.m. CST

    buffet, all you commies are alike...

    by kojiro

    Gods forbid they make a buck off of their product if it should inconvenience you a second.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Why Kevin Smith stinks!

    by DarthPaul1019

    OK here's a guy who's going to take tim burton to court for stealing the ending of Planet of the Apes from a Jay and Silent Bob comic book!?!?! I mean...when doesn't Kevin Smith steal...or "make reference to" every other movie in the world!?!? and lets compare the two director/writers. do you think kevin smith could have made the first two batman movies as well as tim burton did?? NO WAY! and at leasat tim burton doesn't put himself in EVERY one of his movies...EVERY MOVIE! sheesh.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 8:39 p.m. CST

    AND FURTHER MORE

    by DarthPaul1019

    and do you seriously think that...can you picture Tim Burton sitting down to read a Jay and Silent Bob comic book?

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Hey GLAAD, the other day i called my brother a FAG what the fuck

    by Joe Mammary

    Sorry, but PC has just gone too far. The day i live in fear of calling someone a fag is the day I shoot myself in the head. What's next, boycotting Big Momma's House because it makes fun of fat fucks? Now, I'm sure the queers are gonna avoid this movie like the plague anyway, so who gives a fuck? GLAAD is only adding to the box office of this flick, and that's the hilarious part. Not only are they PC'castrated buffoons, they spend their time singing out films to the media, and end up only getting more people to go see the flick. I have as much tolerance for gay people as anyone, but this shit has gotta stop. Hey GLAAD SUCK MY ASSHOLE, waitaminute, that's what you guys do anyway! And I'm sure kevin Smith will send you a thank you note for selling him a heap of movie tickets. Maybe GLAAD ain't so bad after all.

  • idiots oh my god somebody dissed tim burton he so creative and "artistic" idiots! i loved many of tim burtons films(edward scissor hands kicked ass) but if kevin smith made a remake of any of burtons wotk it would be so much better. you guys sit there and cry about movies that arent artistic or whatever kevin smith makes movies that are fun, simple as that. if you think planet of the apes was artistic your opinion does not matter anylonger. chasing amy is my favorite film of all time.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 9:26 p.m. CST

    One more thing for all the fucking morons in here..SMITH WAS JOK

    by Joe Mammary

    I love you guys, eagerly soaking up all the diarrhea the media shits your way. think for yourselves for a moment. Smith..indie filmaker with a shitty reputation. Burton, studio whore with nice design sense. Like he would take him on in the first place. And this is for all those republican pieces of shit who post in here..come down to Australia and we'll see who's fucking tough, you gun nut scum.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith sucks

    by SCOTT1458

    yes, Clerks was great. What has he done since then?????

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 10:28 p.m. CST

    i've got a funny feeling...

    by Cthulu

    There are plenty of filmmakers who come to these talk back sights just to goof/rant/stroke movies and flamers (meant in the posting sense, not the homosexual sense) right alongside the rest of us. Trust me.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Why, whatever do you mean by that...

    by Huneybee

    C'thulu? This movie will suck. Kevin Smith and all his movies suck. My hu... Tim Burton's movies roll, er, rock! <wailing in background...Oh God, Tim, I just broke a nail on this damn keyboard!> Planet of the Apes is so much better than Jay and Silent Bob Strike First will be <Tim, I HAVE to call the manacurist NOW! I don't want to do this anymore!> oh, will suck ass or something. DON'T GO SEE IT!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Rad!

    by Euglena

    I saw this film two nights ago at an advance screening in Seattle and I must say that it was the crudest, funniest movie I have seen since South Park. The Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season part was the best. I was bawling I was laughing so hard.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Rad! Part 2

    by Euglena

    "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" is considerably better than "Planet of the Apes". The little 30 second or so poke at "Planet of the Apes" that is in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back", is considerably better than the whole of Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes". That is all, enjoy!

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is a sweaty ball sucking idiot.

    by wato

    Can I be in your movie now? Maybe a tag line for the film's advertisement? I'd be happy to do a walk on or a reaction interview after I go the premier. Please, this is my big break. I love you Kevin. Can I have your baby?

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Burton, A Great Director, Should Have Absolutely No Say In The C

    by Buzz Maverik

    This is not true for 99 percent of the filmmakers out there. They can't direct as well as Burton, but they have a better understanding of story. Burton has NO understanding of story. Burton could take a script by an Andrew Kevin Walker or an Andrew Kevin Smith and make a better movie than anyone. But if he's involved in the story (MARS ATTACKS, BATMAN RETURNS) forget about it. I was thinking about BATMAN RETURNS recently. I don't think that I've seen many movies better than the trailer for BATMAN RETURNS, but I've seen thousands of movies better than BATMAN RETURNS. Here's all Tim would have had to do to make a movie as good as the trailer: pay me 1 million dollars, a Purdey shotgun and a Chevy Suburban packed with Cuban cigars to rewrite a movie about the Penguin's revenge against his rich and powerful parents in which HE ACTUALLY GOES AFTER HIS RICH AND POWERFUL PARENTS. Batman would have to protect them, while realizing that they, and not the Penguin, are the true monsters. Max Schreck? I know where that came in, but they cut out that connection.

  • Aug. 10, 2001, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Note To Kevin Smith (Since He Reads All These Talkbacks) I'm Pis

    by Buzz Maverik

    That was not my brand of tequila, man! Furthermore, you had me missing in the skeet shooting scene and I never miss! And I would never smoke a domestic cigar! You'll be hearing from TAAD (Talkback Assholes Against Directors).

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Note To Kevin Smith (Since He Reads All These Talkbacks) I'm Pis

    by darthpsychotic

    I'm like half-american indian and sorta look-like and have Johnny Depp-Keanu Reeves-like longish hair, 'cept I shampoo it everyday. In J&SBSB, I'm portrayed as some Star Wars AMBIVALANT, David Fincher obsessed, talkbacker nicknamed "Di

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 12:40 a.m. CST

    THIS JUST IN: Jesse Jackson successful in SHAKING DOWN TOYOTA fo

    by darthpsychotic

    The disputed ad was that of a black person's mouth, smiling wide, with a gold encrusted emblem on one of the front teeth. Now in my book, that ad was targeted to the hip-hop crowd, which nowadays is represented by that homo-hater Eminem. Then again, I'm mentally unbalanced. You know damn well that 7.9 million is gonna go to Jesse & Co's many ho's. It's no wonder Minister Farrakhan is so preeminent nowadays. Now, hold on, I'm not hating on Farrakhan, even though of his suspect views on Jewish people. You see if you were to go to the Nation Of Islam homepage www.noi.org it features American Indians on there and in this day and age, us injuns need all the help we can get. You would also be surprised to see all the white folk(from Eastern Europe) featured on www.noi.org . I believe (the)Minister Farrakhan is reaching out and trying to bring people together. Then again, I'm mentally unbalanced.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 2:41 a.m. CST

    If the TV spots are any clue,

    by DeanWormer

    then JSBSB ain't worth seeing. Then again, what Kevin Smith movie is? Why he has this cult following is beyond me, as DOGMA should have convinced everyone in "Movie Land" to keep Kevin outside the ropes. Yet here he is again, giving us another pedestrian vehicle to showcase himself and Jason Mewes. Hiiiilarious, Kevin, keep churning out the same ol' shit. Your small weak-witted fanclub will cream in their jeans. The other 99% of us will ignore you.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Your film contains prejudiced epithets and it will set back our

    by JonQuixote

    But give us some money and that will make it better.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Thank you Moriarty!

    by SaigonWhore

    It was good to finally hear a non-biased review of this movie that pointed out the good as well as the bad and didn't just simply say "it fucking rocks". Thank you for not sucking Kevin's dick. And it was even greater to hear that this movie fucking rocks... god, I am one confused fanboy. Me love you long time.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 6:23 a.m. CST

    But you did...

    by SaigonWhore

    rub his choda and slip the ol' finger in his ass. On second thought maybe you should send a flamer to review it just to show both sides of the coin.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 9:11 a.m. CST

    KEVIN SMITH IS AN ARSEHOLE!!!

    by CigaretteFairy

    EGGSHELL- I totally agree with you dude. WHAT A FUCKING GUY! Making a film that's mostly for his fan and still be quite personal (who likes talk backers?)! And not just that, I have personal experience of his 'qualities'. At Vulgarthon 2000 in october he told me he WOULDN'T suck my cock! That fucking guy, indeed!

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Talk back.

    by Shaz_bot80

    Movie studios need not worry. The opinion of one geeky fanboy on the talk back isn't going to ruin a film. What will ruin the film is if it is a piece of crap. I think if the movie studios really and I maen REALLY read the talk back responses, they would find that there are one or two that aren't jerks, and have good input for the film in question. As for Mr.Smith, I wish him the best of luck at whatever he does and hope that Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back will be a hit for the fans. Because, this movie is one last hurrah for the fans.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Im glad Kev has the balls to say it

    by elryano

    Im glad that someone has finally fought back against the pathatic bitch-fest that is the TalkBack section, and the people who cry,'Well its our free speech!' your right it is your free speech right to shit on things that you probably dont understand or have never seen, just like its his right to make fun of your bitter asses, the only diffrence is that hes having the guts to show his face while doing it, and hes doing it in front of MANY people, I always have seen the TalkBackers like those two grumpy old guys on the Muppets, always bitter about EVERYTHING...look just cause your life is shit doesnt mean you have to try to make everyone elses life that way...I mean I dont think Smith comes down to the McDonalds you work at and says,"This burger is shit, in fact when you can make a burger as good as Johnson on first shift, or Moore on Second, then you can call your self a cook, until then your just a hack, and what the fuck is up with these fries!!! These fries suck!'..and as for the guy who says that Smith has yet to make a movie as good as George'Howard tha Duck' lucas, I point you towards Chasing Amy, which had meaning...not to say a movie about a wookie didnt have meaning though, and GLADD why did you name your selfs after a trash bag company? oh and in traditon of most Talkbackers let me just say this so I can keep my acceptence here.."Harry you is fat and stoopid!" now Ill go back to lurking in the shadows...

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 10:24 a.m. CST

    When did "orangutang" become "orangutan"?

    by ico-jones

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I don't think i've laughed once at a Kevin Smith film made after

    by BigTuna

    The guy is VERY overrated. And what they hell is so great about Jay and Silent Bob? They're neither witty or funny. And if once more person says how great Jason Mewes is i'm gonna hurl! I hope he gets anally raped in prison! Seeing Joey Lauren Adams' tits in Mallrats is the most creative thing Smith has ever done! Oh yeah and Dogma was the biggest piece of shit i've ever seen!

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 11:46 a.m. CST

    the fact is kevin smith has no grasp of how to use a camera

    by Murrdoggy

    nor does he know how to edit, or how to structure a film. He has a knack for humerous dialogue, but thats that. This is why he will NEVER make his superman movie. And on the off chance that it might happen, it will be horrible. Joel Schumacher bad.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Brock Landers.....mental midget

    by Barry Champlain

    Brock Landers sets the story straight in just one sentence..."the movie would've been better with a few beers" yea and it might have been better had you taken the primer off your pickup truck or Fucked your sister the night before. I love people who need some sort of inbred excuse to get drunk....yee-haw!

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith, I know you're not gay but why did you let GLAAD $@

    by dorko76

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Superman's Lives script online

    by Tall_Boy

    check it here: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/2181/smith.txt I haven't read it yet, but I'm gonna try too. Just bought a DVD player finally. must watch. Can't wait for Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Barry Champlain . . .easy there, Tiger . .

    by Brock Landers

    Wow. Came into this article once more on the weekend, after hanging out with the King of the Hill gang, and playing the mouth guitar on the front porch (yeah right) and look what I see . .some guy starts insulting me. Listen, Tough Guy - -I was at work when I typed that message fairly quickly. What I meant to say was that this is what we call in Austin an Alamo Draft House movie. Most of the jokes I thought bombed but would be pretty fun to see with a full crowd of Kevin Smith lovers and some drinks. Sue me if that sounds like a good time, but that was not the environment I watched the movie in the first time. So Barry, did you see the movie, anyay? The movie is fun, though . .for the most part.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 5:42 p.m. CST

    what is your point moriarty?

    by bookiebob

    The people who like Smith will see this no matter what. The people who hate him wouldn't see this if it was free. This is just a fact. By posting a review you are just showing off that you saw it before everyone else, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Meow! May the bitch fights commence, hiss!

    by AlTaylor

    Poor Mori! I wasn't pleased with the spoiler but I hardly think it has ruined the whole movie now has it? Dear oh dear, some of you Talk Backers just love a tantrum. I say some fresh air and perhaps a spliff/blunt if you're inclined. As for the film, I'm in England and looking forward to it very much. Those who dislike Kevin Smith and his films would be better off explaining why rather than just saying "fuck all you Gen-Xers, you make me sick" or whatever that arse said. I'm 19, I'm more a Gen-Y kinda guy. Anyway, all the best to Smith, I like his films and I wish him well for after J&SBSB. He's one of the best writers of witty dialogue and a promising director as a whole (he's no Kubrick yet! :)).

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles a HYPOCRIT!!!

    by Whoyou

    Hey how come your site was complaining about Drudge giving away the ending to the Planet of the Apes movie and how Harry said "Oh yeah i always give spoiler alerts" How come there were no spolier alerts for this review!! I really didn't want to know about the beginning of this movie but thanks to NO SPOILER ALERTS i now know it. Now when i go see the movie the beginning won't be funny! Harry is a damn hypocrit.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 9:03 p.m. CST

    "Governer Caitlin Bree" - Kevin Smith is fucking lame!!

    by Skip Skipperton

    I just got through the first act of "Superman Lives" by Kevin Smith. I noticed a character named "Governer Caitlin Bree". Smith why do you try to infect a great concept by putting you own ridiculous rhetoric in it? Why don't you just go ahead and re-name Jimmy Olsen "Jay Olsen" and play Perry White yourself? You self-important bastard. Your movies suck, and you suck. Tim Burton and PTA are 10 times the filmmaker you are. You couldn't even get a job fetching their morning coffee you untalented arse! I hope your gay ass movie bombs as bad as Dogma did. Maybe then, studios will stop funding your ridiculous shit and you will disappear like Andrew Dice Clay. Go to hell, Smith!

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Moriarty...meh.

    by Denver10

    A really great film critic can discuss a film without referring to any scenes. First an entire scene is detailed letting us know exactly what we would see if we there (NOT what I wanted to know) and then we get a big long plot synopsis (boring). If you just want to crank out lazy shit like this then review restaurants not film.

  • Aug. 11, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Holy Cow, People... Overreact Much?!

    by drew mcweeny

    I think you guys have the wrong definition of "spoiler" in your heads. The only joke I really detailed is from the first three minutes of the film. Spoilers refer to things that will ruin major plot points or ruin endings. To those who say that reviews shouldn't have any mention of material from the film, I think you're insane, and dead wrong. Reviews are meant to sum up overall reactions, and that means occasionally discussing (gasp!) what happens in the movie. Seriously... change your diapers so you're feeling fresh again, then come back and relax.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 12:23 a.m. CST

    A movie full of witty dialogue that'll make you laugh, think and

    by Smugbug

    Wow, my AICN friends, THIS is a summer movie we've been waiting for. I want something that's witty. TRUELY witty. I do thank god for Kevin Smith. Even though I didn't really enjoy "Dogma", to me that's his only negative blip in his filmography. Even the negative/mixed reviews I've read on this movie makes me want to see this. And so it comes to this: I WILL be seeing this movie on opening day. Period. Oh, and saw Rush Hour 2 yesterday. As I had suspected: Was just short of liking it. The takeout scenes at the end were more entertaining than the whole movie. Geez people, when I am going to listen to that little voice in my head that says: "wait til it comes out on DVD......"

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 12:29 a.m. CST

    ugh....

    by elryano

    no offense King or anyone else, but I dont really want to go to bed with thoughts of Otto having the 'gay sex' to be the last image running though my mind...and by the way, Dogma wasnt a bomb, it was like 'Oh Brother Where are thou', it was a minor hit and if Smith can keep making his money back the way he does, and can keep getting publicity for his company, then Miramax should help him make his movies...Now then I gotta think of somthing else before I go to bed...I dont want to have a dream where Otto is whispering in my ear, /7cum mister tally man/7

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 12:41 a.m. CST

    The kids from Leonardo can do nothing but amaze, stupify, and en

    by ApocolypseX

    Well, well, well... if it isn't the same old shit again. Not the movie, the whining. I swear, why don't all you fucking morons who don't realize this is a MOVIE try and redirect that angst or whatever you call it into something productive? Go save a whale or something, jesus. Anyway, with my brain devoid of that tidbit of opinion, I can get on to what's really important... WEED! Uhm, I mean, the movie. I can't friggin' wait! It's gonna be the best birthday present ever! (It comes out here on my b-day for anyone in remedial talkback.) I absolutly love the characters, the setting, the witty banter, and especially the relationships the characters have with each other. They remind me of what everyone needs to be reminded of; thier friends. I have followed the exploits of our heroes from the beginning, From "Clerks." to "Dogma". I even own the Cartoon Series DVD (Which a certain unnamed network *cough* *cough* ABC *cough* was ignorant enough to let go.) Hell, I even have all the Comics, Clerks. and Jay & Silent Bob. Honestly, I've had to buy 3 different copies of Clerks. because they keep getting worn out. Needless to say, I am going to be the first person around here to watch the new addition to the legacy (seeing as how I work as a projectionist at the theater and have to splice it together). So, rock on, Kev, you too, Jason, and all you other lovable peeps. Oh, btw, if you really do read this Kev or Jason, I'd kill a man just for your autographs. Well, maybe I'd just give him a good dutch rub. Or maybe poke him with a stick. Anywho, you get the point. Later, G-spots. Derrick "37?!" Adcox nameinthesnow@hotmail.com

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Whats the song on the preview?

    by DonnyMort

    what is the name of the song on the preview that comes on as shannon elizabeth walks in? Its quite cool.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 5:54 a.m. CST

    A wrecked joke - by any name - is still a shitty thing to do

    by JonQuixote

    Regardless of what you want to call it, it is pretty low to ruin a joke for people who have yet to see it. Your review would have been no less effective if you wrote in GENERAL terms about the way the opening scene underscores a theme about the enduring nature of friendship, rather than eagerly telling everybody the funny bits. Could you not have said, "At the very start of Kevin Smith

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Good Review

    by Filmjester

    Although I think he over analyized a bit. Sometimes a hat, is just a hat. But good points!

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Props to darthpsychotic

    by TruPhan

    ...that whole thing about how you were represented in the movie nearly made me sh*t my pants. And to all you people who keep saying "F*ck Kevin Smith, he eats cock and is overrated", I dedicate this movie to you.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Burton V. Smith (Now that would be good flick)

    by Pozer

    Its funny how both directors got huge off accidental cinematic success. Smith has built a nice career on humorous injokes while Burton has stuck to shallow yet effective visuals. Both are struggling to find the their next niche. Clerks was a very charming yet overrated movie that got big because of the coffee/bagel gorging trendies of the mid90's, I doubt anyone would have cared about this movie had it been filmed in color (how many of you fanboys can say you saw clerks in the theatre, I did), Burton got genius status off of BATMAN which is a freaking classic, but most of the credit for that fine film goes to cinematographer Roger Pratt, and Jack Nicholson baby. Smith's script attempt at the Superman lore is crap. While Burton probably just hates the character. The only way to out do the Dick Donner classic would have to be an action film (ala SupermanII) which Smith can't write and Burton couldn't direct,(POTA was not a very good movie, I could see a great action scene with superman fighting braniac tearing apart metropolis and a monkey comes down in a spaceship and makes both of them see the error of resorting to violence.) I'm glad a superman movie was never made because it would be damn hard to out do the pacing and love for the character that '79 film had. But a movie about a pretenscious ,black wearing "artist" and his relationship with a grizzled fanboy over a film neither really wants or knows how to do, and how their so much a like in career and maturity, but both have taken opposite roads to the same place just different poses. Now thats a movie worth seeing.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 7:41 p.m. CST

    My heart bleeds for Kevin Smith

    by MikeSal222

    Awww...poor baby. His life must be really really hard. He's rich and famous...but some bad people on the Internet said nasty things about his movies. My heart goes out to him. And here I was wasting all of my sympathy on people dying of starvation or AIDS. Or those losers who work three crappy jobs to scrounge enough money to feed their kids. I didn't realize there was someone out there with real problems. I might actually lose a whole second of sleep worrying about the state of Mr. Smith's fragile ego. I'd rather flush my $8.50 down the toilet than put a penny of it in his ample pockets.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 8 p.m. CST

    I AM SHOCKED AND OFFENDEDtm . . .

    by ol' painless

    that Mo would suggest that any filmmaker on the entire planet would give any of the slightest value whatsoever to the spit-the-dummy-out-of-the-crib squeals of abuse in the AICN Talkback (including me, of course). Let's face it Mo, people like me are the Hollywood equivalent of moths banging our heads on the porchlight: we are attracted by the brightness, but lack the creativity and intelligence to do anything but beat ourselves around the head for about three hours, fall stunned to the deck, and get eaten by the neighbour's kitten . . . as I appear to have lost control of this metaphor, I will wind things up by saying, Kevin, you get to hang out with Shannon Elizabeth, whereas I get to hang out with the neighbour's kitten. Sure, you can stroke both of them, but I think any comparisons from this point on are unwise and illegal in at least 156 countries.

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 9:04 p.m. CST

    My Instincts Tell Me To Stay Away From This But I Just Have To S

    by Zubalove

    I wish I was a negative Talkbacker that constantly pooped on things, but having half a brain and not living in Mom's Basement means I'm a little more thoughtful than that. And what exactly are we arguing here?? Kev is not Orwell or a film-maker of similar calibur and he is the first to admit it! He makes little films and if you want to see them and enjoy them, fine! If not, do something else!! CHRIST ON A BIKE!!!! Read a book, and no, Penthouse doesn't count, User ID Indeed!! I am a Smith fan and right now, although I am excited to see this flick, I want info on Fletch. Now if you'll excuse me, Mom wants me to take the trash out before I head down to the basement, errrrr, I mean my apartment. Snoogans Fanboys! Zubalove OUT!

  • Aug. 12, 2001, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Why even compare the two?

    by Banky the Hack

    Why can't you people grasp when someone is pulling your leg? Christ, use a little common sense when trying to determine what is legit and what is bunk on the internet. Just because someone says that Kevin Smith is going to sue Burton, doesn't mean that he is. Even if he says it, he has been known to make jokes before. And why must you pick sides, and completely shit upon the other director? It's not like they both make creepy gothic tales of fantasy, or rollicking buddy flicks. Apples and oranges...this talkback is getting too intense...talk about racial epithets, left and right wings, out and out baseless insulting, and what I can only surmise as the outing of one Glenn Shadix by a Hollywood mangina....only at AICN.

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 6:54 a.m. CST

    To all thoses offended by Smith's material: Get over your self-r

    by twonkenn

    It's a joke. If you don't get it, then don't go. Ya'll are the same people who call into Stern's radio show complaining about something he said to offend you like anyone gives a shit. Guess what? We don't. Not now. Not ever. We never will. It's not for you. Tell you what...I have a solution. Let's pressure Hollywood to make a movie about black jewish lesbians making fun of straight white men. That oughta make everyone feel better.

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 7:10 a.m. CST

    You just don't get it.

    by pedant

    This whole GLAAD thing isn't about gay jokes. Insulting someone by calling them "gay" isn't a joke. It doesn't even appear to be *intended* as a joke. The reason GLAAD is pissed is that it reinforces the idea that being gay is inherently shameful... That being called "gay" should *automatically* imply an insult. ***** And even if it was intended as a joke, it's not much better to imply that being gay is automatically something to laugh at. That's not to say that you can't tell gay jokes, but when mere mention of homosexuality *is* the entire joke, there's a problem. ***** And don't hand be that BS about Chasing Amy being so pro-gay. It was a naive attempt at appearing pro-gay, but it fell so wide of the mark that it actually revealed some pretty deplorable attitudes beneath the surface. (Apparently, a Lesbian is just a woman who hasn't found the right guy yet.)

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 7:22 a.m. CST

    The problem with the TalkBacks is...

    by PKD

    that its supposed to be a place to offer different opinions and to share perspectives. Instead, its a place where people come to DEFEND their opinion and ATTACK others for theirs. So many of you post here as though your word was handed down from God, but then bitch at Kevin Smith for offering his opinions on Tim Burton or PT Anderson. Now I love all 3 of these filmmakers, and so I would argue with Kevin about his opinions of them - but I would never call him a cocksucking asshole for not liking a particular filmmaker. But then again, many of you would call me a rim-jobbing jackass for saying that, oh, I don't know, that LOTR is probably gonna suck (I don;t think that...its just an example...please don't hurt my family). I guess my point is that if the only way you can defend your opinion is by calling people who disagree with you ass-eating, jerk-face commie (or elitist if you are a left-winger) fuck-faces, then I wonder if you are really using the first amendment to its maximum advantage. "You think I know fuck-nothing?, I know fuck-all!!!"

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 7:48 a.m. CST

    wrong, Pendant!

    by JonQuixote

    The whole GLAAD thing is about extortion, opportunistic extortion. "Hey, you have a homophobic character in your new studio movie. Give us money to make it better." Basically, they sold the rights to the use of the word "faggot." If I wanted to remake 'Blazing Saddles', how much money do you think the NAACP would want to let me have racist characters use the "n-word"? *** As far as the Alyssa character in Chasing Amy goes...I think it's unrealistic for anyone to expect one character to encapsulate an entire community. She was obviously bisexual, so to say that she only fulfils an adolescent fantasy of lesbianism is silly. Or are you denying the existence of bisexuals?

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Freedumb of speech

    by mp3PO

    I swear, if our founding fathers could've seen the mindless crap you post here, they would have left out the whole "freedom of speech" thing. Half of you have what seems to be the mental capacity of a f***ing potato chip and should be put to sleep.

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Hey ZeroCorpse! You are one funny dude!

    by White_Noise

    That speech was really funny. Now admit it, you paraphrased that froma Warren Beatty movie, didn't you? I thought the funniest thing was when you acted like you didn't understand irony and said (wait, I need to cut and paste, hold on...)'There was no invitation to offer your hatred and intolerance in this forum... 'after all the hateful and intolerant things you wrote. Dude, that was hilarious!

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 9:06 a.m. CST

    ATTENTION: Those losers who's sole purpose is to trash Kevin Smi

    by Short Stack

    It's a movie for god's sake! If you want to discuss it, then DISCUSS IT! Making personal attacks against the guy is unproductive and wastes EVERYONE's time. If you have nothing intelligent to say, keep your mouths shut! If you don't like his movies, then don't go see the film. It's as simple as that. I have never seen a Kevin Smith film, but I do intend to see this one. The previews look good. It just amazes me, how vicious people can get over a movie. It's not life and death! It's entertainment. You like it or you don't. That's my two cents worth.

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 10:06 a.m. CST

    There are people in this world who are incapable of perceiving t

    by Lobanhaki

    ... of writing nasty, nonsensical bullshit in the talkbacks of reviews of a film that makes fun of people that do that very thing. You're just proving how ripe for satire your sorry asses are.

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 10:18 a.m. CST

    RE: talk back stuff

    by harrizonn

    i'm not really sure what the fuss is about... some people are immature, and express themselves in ridiculously extreme ways... but i hope this isn't an argument about being able to Hate a goddamn movie (or anything) and whether or not you can say you hate it or not... what the hell?! i've been to the view askew website, and all i saw was a lot of self congratulatory bullshit... of course i'm being extreme, and i love kevin smith's films, but goddammit, what's wrong with being extreme? kevin smith sure doesn't mind it... assuming that tim burton is stealing his ideas, outright saying that PT Anderson sucks or whathaveyou... those seem like pretty extreme things to say... does that make kevin smith a hypocrite? it's ok for him to express hisself in extremes, for the sake of humor probably... but not other people? what do you think?

  • Aug. 13, 2001, 6:17 p.m. CST

    best question so far.. what WAS that song on the trailer???

    by waynesworld

    i don't think it's on the soundtrack and it sounds great.... you gotta admit, kev's the man when it comes to soundtracks...

  • Aug. 14, 2001, 4:19 a.m. CST

    guys, gay is ok...

    by MDUK

    You know, reading the comments some of you straight guys have posted, I really have to wonder if you've actually heard of equality and understand what it means. As a gay man, I love self-deprecating humour, because god knows we can can pretty ridiculous, and if there's one thing I despise, it's "sacred cows" that can't be challenged. Unfortunately the straight boys out there seem to be confusing jokes with insults. Am I losing you? Lets try this from the top. Have you straight guys ever noticed that there are no insults, no phrases or words that are derived from or specifically directed at "being straight"? I thought not. You see, if you guys want to dis each other, you have to compare your target to what you percive as being "less" than yourself, "other" or "undesirable" - if you've ever called a guy a bitch, a fag, nigger, a wop or whatever, you're doing it because you think that women, gays and people of colour are somehow inferior to you and being compared to one is insulting. It doesn't matter how liberal, hip, post-ironic or whatever it is you tell yourself you are, whenever you call someone a fag to insult them, you're actually claiming your better than me - that being me is deeply unpleasant. GLAAD don't get it right all the time, but if they can make at least one straight guy stop and think about what the things he says actually mean, then it's worth p***ing off a few others who would never accept gay people as their equals in the first place.

  • Aug. 14, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Wait a minute...Glenn Shadix is GAY? My little sister is going

    by JonQuixote

    You know your Nobel prize in Prostitution is a loooooong way off, when the client you log on to brag about is Otho from Beetlejuice.

  • Aug. 14, 2001, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Terms offensive to heterosexuals

    by Banky the Hack

    MDUK, I have indeed noticed that there is a lack of terms for straight men/women, as well as for whites, in general. In general, if there's a majority, slander against it is hardly as effective as insults directed toward a minority, because no matter how true or vicious sounding, they sort of ring hollow, because the members of a majority are simply larger in number. And that superiority in numbers helps make the insulted member feel insulated, or even impervious because the majority sets the standard for normalcy in a way. Terms such as breeder used by homosexuals and honky and cracker by non-whites just are not taken as seriously as the opposite, because the straight white has so damned much company (in the US at least). So I think a lot of this bias in who can be insulted is unfair, but that's not to say that the malicious intent behind barbs directed at straight whites is different. It's just not as painful when you're surrounded by people like yourself, and that hurtful intent isn't as threatening as when you're in a minority, and a vast minority in many cases. Because if I were stranded in south central LA and someone called me cracker, I'd certainly be a little more concerned than if someone called me that here in Indiana... However, I have found that the great majority of times I have used words such as fag or queer, and people I know have, it is not to insult homosexuals, but to put the target person in a position of ostracization...to make them a part of a minority. I mean, what other reason is there for insults other than to make someone feel different from you, and certainly in a bad way. Is this right, probably not, but every time we mock someone, we're crapping on some minority. If you say someone is stupid, or dumb, or a retard, you're mocking many of the handicapped. If you call someone an asshole, or loser, or tool, you're mocking a portion of the talkbackers. All in all, I think intent has a lot to do with words such as these, and while I'm partially glad there aren't terms to insult me personally, I sometimes wish there were to make people not like me feel less persecuted and less inclined to complain when these terms are used, but not to insult them.

  • Aug. 14, 2001, 8:55 a.m. CST

    One Last Hurrah?

    by YSHARV33

    I have been hearing for years that "this is Smith's last potty-mouthed salute to the fans, before he moves on to more serious territory." Well, when is that going to happen? Frankly, I don't mind him making funny gross-out films, as long as they make me laugh. To me he proved with Dogma that he did not have the maturity to handle real satire. There was great dialogue and good performances, but there was no real contemplation of the humour in what was supposedly his subject. Lots of critics and fans said, " you should should bring a Catechism with you to the film." I thought that bringing the last 10 years of Entertainment Weekly would have served an audience member better, as most of the humour was related to pop culture and not to the Church or its history. The same with Chasing Amy, where Smith proved unable to really get his wit around the subject of his film. He was so close though. However, in the end, he would revert to a crotch joke, and then to making a very serious scene that shows that he understands the issue from both sides. I think it is a tough situation to be in: On the one hand, I think doing films like Jay and Silent Bob serve us, the audience, better in the short run. On the other hand, I think that for Smith to continue working on projects like Chasing Amy, will help out him and us immensely in the long run.

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