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About that MATRIX 2... 2003 thing...
Hey folks, Harry here again checking up on something that the Trades are reporting. Variety is reporting a move of the MATRIX RELOADED from the Fall/Holiday season of 2002 to 2003. What is interesting is that Warner Brothers doesn't seem to be confirming this at all, however Warner Bros. distribution president Dan Fellman said....
-- Warner Bros. won't officially confirm the tentative 2003 plans, with Fellman noting THAT SHOOTING HAS YET TO START although early effects work is going well. "We are right on schedule with the film," he said."Shooting has yet to start?" WHAT? Ok, so when they were doing all that filming with actors on the streets of San Francisco... that wasn't "shooting"? When they called in tons of extras and dressed them up to be in Xion, put them on a cave set and had Morpheus delivering a speech to them... that was merely "early effects work"? How about the shooting of the big Highway scene at the Alameda Military Airport area? I suppose that was all just special effects too? MATRIX RELOADED has been shooting fairly non-stop.
Ok, so if Dan Fellman is mistaken about the production having not begun Principal Photography... and Variety can't get a confirmation on the move from the studio... Then what the hell is going on?
Now, why would Warners leave 2002 Holiday? Could it be that they do not want to interfere with the release of the 2nd chapter of LORD OF THE RINGS? Which is a huge company investment, and feel that both films have the exact same audience and that they don't want conflicts? Could be. But why lie about shooting not starting? Perhaps not at the FOX AUSTRALIA lot, but they've been shooting like crazy around San Francisco. Hmmm, Warners.... "The Truth Will Set You Free"
Click here for all the AICN stories on MATRIX 2, including many set reports and pictures of SHOOTING HAVING BEGUN!!!
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was definitely filming in SF and returned to Oz for a break b4 filming begins at Fox. I heard it from gis mouth so I'm sure. The story smells bad.
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Aug 10, 2001 8:39:20 AM CDT
Did it occur to anyone that the title for Matrix 2 isn't any bet
by jarjar25
Come on! I think Reloaded isn't any better than Attack of the Clones. What does that say about both films? Reloaded sounds like one of Metallica's albums. As for Matrix 2 not coming out in 2002, well I don't mind waiting, as long as the film is good.
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Aug 10, 2001 8:45:16 AM CDT
Well Warner has a HUGE invesment with "Lord of the Rings".
by foreskin_jones
However from a Marketing standpoint it would make sense if they release "Matrix 2" I refuse to call it Reloaded in the Thanksgiving season and "The Two Towers" at Christmas time in 2002. They could appeal one to all ages and the R rated Matrix sequel to the over 17 crowd. I'm not the head of a studio but If I knew I had TWO potential big hits I would release them back to back and my studio won't lose it's thunder, it's just common sense.
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Harry, I don't think the studio is *lying* about MR's progress. That doesn't make a lot of sense. What would be gained from that. I'm sure Fellman is referring to the Australian studio. How much of the film have they shot so far at other locations? 10 percent? In other words, the bulk of the footage has yet to be shot. I'm afraid it doesn't look like much of a conspiracy from where I sit.
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The Whackchowski Hoes are waiting for more HK movies that they can ripoff. That and the FX team is probably crying in a corner somewhere, I hope the fucking film tanks then Keanu Reeves can go back to obscurity where he fucking belongs.
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Then I guess "the Truth WON'T set you free" in any sense that you care about. Just trying to help. :-)
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HE SAID FILMING HASN'T STARTED YET!!!!! OH MY GOD!!! Oh brother, I think someone had way too much caffine this morning...people have been known to say the wrong word from time to time, their just as human as the rest of us...and If Keanu said the world was square?? "OH JEEZ, DID YOU HEAR?!?!?!? I'm not going to loose any sleep over a faux paux or however you spell it....and i'm sure whenever it's done, is when we'll all see it...keeeeeeeeeeeeripes.
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They would at least wait to see how Fellowship performed before moving it, if that were the case.
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i never thought about that but "reloaded" does sound like a possible metallica reissue title. or maybe a greatest hits album.
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Aug 10, 2001 10:31:58 AM CDT
so I was at the supermarket, and I asked this worker, where is t
by smilodon
he told me aisle 6. Then this other worker said, no, ice cream is in aisle 8, aisle 6 has the chips and salsa. Then I walk all over and find out the ice cream was really in aisle 10. I said, "YES! The Truth Has Set Me Free!!"
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A movie that seems really ground-breaking and amazing, but is really just a bunch of the usual stuff repackaged and flashy. After watching the re-release of the SW Trilogy a few years back I was shocked to find there is no there there. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun adventure movie, but, like the Matrix, SF fans make much more hype about it than the actual substance. I submit that anyone who reads those SW universe novels should have to pass a test, proving they have read either the "The Once & Future King" or Steinbeck's "Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights". Same thing for Trek fans, you MUST be able to speak another real language (French, Spainish, German, hell even Latin) if you want to learn Klingon. No one will let into the first week of screenings of Matrix 2 unless they can pass a test on the collected works of Philip K. Dick.
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Read Grant Morrison's 'The Invisibles' comic books (now collected in trade paperback form) and see where the Wachowski brothers got most of their ideas for 'The Matrix'. I assume they'll be stealing more ideas from the comic for 'The Matrix' sequels, so you'll get an idea of what's going to happen in Reloaded (snicker) and whatever the third one will be called. And for the record, I liked 'The Matrix', I just think that Grant Morrison's work should be acknowledged as having inspired the film.
Here's the URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1563892677/qid=997471250/sr=2-2/ref=aps_sr_b_1_2/104-5404141-4965540 -
Aug 10, 2001 12:15:09 PM CDT
Why a fall/holiday release and not a summer release, is the bigg
by arcturus
I find it rather odd that AICN did not touch upon another obvious perplexity in this latest update: Why in the hairy hell would Warners want to release Matrix Reloaded in the fall/holiday season as opposed to over the summer? Let's face it, Matrix Reloaded is second only to Star Wars Episode II in earning potential and story quality. I do not care what all you freaky Spidey/LOTR addicts say, those other movies are the films to beat. Anyway, we all know WB can always use a monster hit-and history tells us that releasing Matrix Reloaded in summer as opposed to any other time will reap maximum profits. This fact leads me to doubt the veracity of reports such as these by AICN.
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That Time Warner whether they release it in late 2002 or Summer 2003 are still going to have a good streak. If "The Fellowship of the Ring" does good then "The Two Towers" will be their event film of Christmas time '02 and then they will also have "Matrix 2" once again I refuse to say Reloaded in Summer '03 if by any chance they change their mind and put "Matrix 2" in the November 2002 slot then they will have two big hits back to back. That is of course if people go see "The Lord of the Rings" I hate these fucks as much as the next guy they completely butchered the Batman and Superman franhchises and I will NEVER forget that however I have to give them credit 'cause they might be playing their cards right. I'm a "Star Wars" fan and a fan of "The Matrix" they might not be original at all but they were fun flicks. Trust me if "Matrix 2" comes out in 2005 it will still make money let's not forget Action and Sci-fi fans liked the movie and the MTV generation as well. That's a lot of tickets to be sold.
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Aug 10, 2001 1:16:59 PM CDT
I bet Fellman was referring to Matrix III having not started fil
by momerath
It seems clear that the line about having shot both movies as one big movie is total malarky.
I also bet that Matrix 2 is in trouble and they are cutting their losses. Perhaps they saw the light: that a bunch of loin cloth wearing idiots in a cave, forced back into a life of total idolatry, surrounded by fake bubbling lava does not fit the Matrix universe! You remember: the uber-stylish black-trenchcoat-wearing bunch of highly intelligent renegade humans? I don't know if there is any way to fix that, and maybe someone figured that out and put it off until further notice. -
Aug 10, 2001 1:59:08 PM CDT
The major problem with the Matrix, that they are going to have t
by smeg for brains
...is that the special effects, for the most part, were just gimmicks, which did very little to actually further the story, and have also been copied and done to death now. What are they going to do now? Sure the story will probably be good (hopefully), but the so called "bullit time" and other such shots will just seam silly, as they do for me now upon further viewings of the original. I still like the film, but I sincerely hope that they give up the whole useless gimmick FX idea, and just go for effects that make sense in the film, rather than dating it. Plus, as I said in the last post "Reloaded" is far worse than "Attack of the Clones". Though it is a bit bland, at least AOTC makes sense with the film, and is in keeping with the other films titles. "Reloaded" is just another gimmick. A name that fanboys will think is "cool", yet has nothing to do with the movie itself. Now if the first film would have ended with the destruction of the Matrix, and this one was about the start of a new Matrix I could see it, but that is not the case. "Reloaded" is a dumb name, and just sucks widely.
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Okay...Let me just start by saying that who gives a damn when the movie will be released. The world would be much better off if they NEVER released it!! and people were complaining about the Star wars title. Reloaded? How stupid is that. Anyways, for those of you who think that star wars is going to be a big disappointment: Don't psych your selves out so much. People sometimes expect way too much out of a movie. Hello? it's a f$#@ing movie. It's not something to be torn apart and critized, I mean it IS called Entertainment...
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Perhaps Matrix Reloaded is the third in the series.
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i dont think matrix 2 and LOTR have the same exact audience.i thought matrix was a classic but have no real enthusiasm to see LOTR perhaps cos i havent read the book.
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I really like Grat Morrisons stuff. I remember he did a great story about Adolf Hitler as a student visiting his aunt in Liverpool UK. I nevr saw the end of it but it was funny. He is a bit unsung old Grant.
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You big fat stupid slob! I guess you weren't big enough to handle my remarks about you and Maltin being Luca$' bitches, but I'm back, and I will always keep coming back, no matter how many times you try to ban me!!! I guess when you read this, you'll be puffing the old bearded bastard's peter!!!
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Aug 10, 2001 7:08:09 PM CDT
Matrix 3: Destined for Straight to Video release, NOT A PREDICTI
by bastardly
Matrix 2 is gonna take in less than 60 million, and M3 is going straight to video to face off against Air Bud 28: Stanley Pup and Mary Kate and Ashely Olsen Discover Heroin.
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Good call then. Spooky like.
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...We don't have to talk about the matrix, we can talk about our favorite bands, chicks that screwed us over...and the matrix.
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The power of The Matrix 2 will light our darkest hour. If it doesn't suck that is, but I hope it don't. -MCL
Magic magic ninja what?! Magic Magic ninja what?! -
they've been shooting for a while now and have tons of footage in the can. maybe this delay has to do with the demise of manex! these matrix sequels probably demand a huge amount amount of visual effects and warner brothers hasn't a grasp of how, when or where they're going to get all the visual effects done. -
How about this:
Matrix 2 and 3 are being shot together - we've known this for some time.
What if someone at WB got their wires crossed and thought they were being asked about M3 (since M2 is very publicly underway, they might reasonably assume that a vaguely worded question was about the final part of the trilogy).
That fits with both a 2003 release date AND with the notion that photography hasn't yet started (on pt 3.)
More to the point - why didn't HK even speculate that this might be the explanation?
I reckon HK has succumbed to the tempations of journalism. He's become a worshipper at the altar of sensationalism and invented controversy.
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Do not try to understand the executives,that is impossible, instead try to realise the truth,
"what is the truth?" you ask, there is no sequel. By the way i love both Matrix and all the SW films so blow me. -
You thought that they'd been filming for a while, now it turns out that they haven't, yet your memory of witnessing images of those events is still intact. Clearly someone has changed the Matrix program. Get over it. Unless Neo decides to restore your world from backup, Matrix 2.0 is going to be released RSN (REAL SOON NOW).
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1. Radiohead - While there may be similarities to Morrison's "The Invisibles", The Matrix is most clearly inspired by Otomo's "Ghost in the Shell". 2. Smeg For Brains - While I admit that the effects in "the Matrix" are gimmicky and dated, They made perfect sense in the movie. Bullit-time and the wirework Kung Fu where necessary to to show that this wasn't really the "real world". That these things couldn't happen out side of the matrix. It is that these effects have been gratutiously used in movies where it isn't crucial to the story (Charlie's Angels, etc) that has really made it harder for the sequels to out do the original.
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What if everything shot so far has actually been for Matrix 3? Makes sense since they are shooting at the same time right?
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I read that the Wachowski brothers are big comic book, anime, and Hong Kong cinema fans, so clearly their inspirations were many; the works of William Gibson and P.K. Dick also come to mind. But if you've read the entire 'Invisibles' series there are just so many similiarities that it's disappointing to me (as a big Grant Morrison fan) that I'll probably never get to see 'The Invisibles' movie I've been waiting for for years. I just think that 'The Invisibles' was more intellectually and morally complex than 'The Matrix', and that it featured more colorful, interesting scenarios and characters. I thought the characters in 'The Matrix' (except for Morpheus, the Oracle, and Agent Smith) were bland and boring -- especially Neo. Hopefully there will be more characterization and better dialogue in the sequels. As far as bullet-time is concerned, I liked it in 'The Matrix' -- it made perfect sense in that context -- and have disliked it in just about every other context since; I do think it's now badly dated. Ang Lee's martial arts scenes in 'Crouching Tiger' didn't need bullet-time to make them impressive and beautiful, so I don't think the technology is necessary for 'The Matrix' sequels.
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Think about this: wouldn't it be cool if Matrix 3 was released next, followed by Matrix 2. That would be original, and it would also explain the strange comments made by Warner.
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Insane in tha braaaaiiinn......There are too many people analyzing every half-wit half truth that gets troweled out to us.Why must every morsel be scrutinized at a subatomic level? Repeat after me...it's only a movie...it's only a movie...it's only a movie........
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sorry Chiisusan, but the GITS manga was by Masamune Shirow, and the flick was directed by Oshii.
There was even an interview with Oshii where he talked about meeting the Wachowskis and being slightly frightened of them. They gave him a copy of Matrix, autographed. He said maybe it'd pull some money on E-bay. ouch. -
Maybe they were shooting number three? Who knows, Warners has been a shambling zombie of a studio for a bit now...
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ok, the matrix it has to be said was a kick ass film, it fused the sheer coolness of a martial arts film with john woo style gun slinging with a story that made the planet paranoid and added a huge dollop of style. HOWEVER, the thing that made the matrix a modern classic was mainly to do with the revolutionary techniques in cinema it used. the whole 'bullet time' thing made it such a refreshing film. and now that technique has been used so very many times since, that although it does still look good, it has lost its marvel and wonder. if the Wachowskis are gonna make this successfull, they are gonna have to do something pretty damn special thats never been done before, ant sice theyre shooting the two sequels back to back, if they do introduce something new, they wont have that same gimmik for the 3rd film. so even if number two is good, 3 will be the "Death Of Michael Corleone: The Godfather 3" simply because it will fail to bring the sheer wonder that the matrix has and the matrix 2 has the potential to have, as it will all have been seen before.
ever had a dream that you thought was real? what if you could not wake from that dream? how would you knowthe difference from the dream world, and the real world? -
Neither "The Matrix Reloaded" nor "The Matrix Revolutions" filmed a single day, or even a plate shot, in San Francisco, CA, even though the did scout the area.
They filmed extensively at Alameda Point (formerly the Alameda Naval Air Station), not the non-existent Alameda Military Airport. They also filmed part of a big car chase scene in downtown Oakland, CA.
There is more information at http://www.norcalmovies.com/
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A few comments back, somebody jokingly asked what will be the title of "The Matrix 3". As originally announced on Northern California Movies -- www.norcalmovies.com -- the title of the film is "The Matrix Revolutions". Harry Knowles was on the NCM mailing list that announced it, but, for whatever reason, he did not post it on this website. The title has not been officially announced to the public by Warner Bros. or in the trades, but it is common knowledge among us crew because WB printed it on behind-the-scenes paperwork and on the crew t-shirts!
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Aug 13, 2001 3:21:16 AM CDT
"Matrix came out two years ago...WTF...why're they making us wai
by cruel shoes
Maybe they were taking the time to make sure the script is good you dumbasses.
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Every one knows that while a film is in prodution, the name of the flick is not always the same as the name they use @ the time of the flicks release.
"The Matrix Reloaded" could just be a working title. Nothing more. "Halloween: H20" was called "Halloween 7: The Revenge Of Laurie Strode" while in production. This could just be the same situation.
Now in the case of "Star Wars Episode 2: Attact Of The Clones" that's the film's official title, and it's not changing. You can complain about that one cause it sucks.
Wouldn't have "Star Wars Episode 2: Clone Wars" or just "Star Wars Episode 2" sufficed?
As for the people saying that "The Matrix" ripped off Hong Kong flicks and comics, I say to them how many flicks have taken other films ideas and ran with them? Us Americans rip everything off, why complain now? With most of our television shows ripping off other versions from abroad. Immitation is the American way.
Moreover, this goes out to all the guys drinking seroius gallons of Haterade. Just shut up, stop whinning, and relax. We all know you're going to see the movie anyway, even if the trailer had just showed a dog shitting in bullet time. -
..that there's a difference between 'copying' and 'being inspired by'? When was the last time you read OR saw a truly original story? One that didn't build AT ALL on the author's past experiences?
Let me answer that question for you: Never.
Repeat the mantra: "It's okay to be inspired. It's okay to be inspired. It's okay..." -
I type faster than I think sometimes. I have Otomo on the brain right now, as I am very excited about "Metropolis".
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Aug 16, 2001 9:56:16 PM CDT
matrix title is perfect but I don't know about starwars ep 2 tit
by ghostface01
Matrix reloaded is the perfect title for this movie because it works on two levels. One reloaded can mean reload your guns because this is round two of the insane gunfights and action sequences in the sequel. On another level it can mean reloaded as in reboot the massive computer program known as the matrix since the program "froze" due to neo. Now about "The attack of the clones" that sounds gay to me. I would have prefered "Rise of the Empire" but don't judge a book by its cover. These movies are gonna be OFF THE HINGES!!!
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