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MATRIX RELOADED' Try MATRIX POSTPONED!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Well, looks like 2002 just got a little less crowded.
Over at SciFiWire, the SciFi Channel's news site, they've run a story which says Joel Silver is now pegging MATRIX RELOADED as a 2003 release.
He also goes on to explain the current shoot a bit more, saying they are shooting both of the sequels as one giant film, not as a back-to-back plan. Once they've finished shooting, then they'll start cutting. Sounds like the Wachowskis have a hell of a schedule ahead of them. I'm still dying to know where their plans to produce KING CONAN, CROWN OF IRON fit into all this.
Anyway, check the story out for yourselves. Then get ready to wait.
"Moriarty" out.
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This is about the only forthcoming movie I'm seriously looking forward to.
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That's all.. Damn.
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now it's time to talk more about ATTACK OF THE CLONES. it has a cool nickname! check what we call the other movies for short: Star Wars (A New Hope) Empire (Empire Strikes Back) Jedi (Return of the Jedi) Menace (Phantom Menace) we could call this one Attack or we could call it Clones, either one sounds cool Also, in Meet The Fockers (MTP2), they're obviously going to refer to his mother as MotherFocker. I mean, duh!!!!! The movie hasnt even been made (or even written??) and we already know the movie's biggest laugh
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Aug 08, 2001 4:23:47 PM CDT
By the time matrix 2 comes out it'll be out of date.........
by mckenziefrenzy
in 2 years time all this "bullet time" crap will be standard made for tv special efects..........if they want Matrix 2 to be cutting edge they should pull their fingers out and release the sequels as quick as they can..........
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Aug 08, 2001 4:25:10 PM CDT
There can still be a BO battle...Matrix vs Return of the King
by brian 2000
Matrix loses hands down.
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I reckon that if Terminator 3 is actually released next year it will do better than everything other than Episode 2.
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I've really never been a MATRIX fan. I think the story was overrated, bordering on being the same as every sci-fi movie I've ever seen. The computer effects were blah to me. Fight scenes were cool, but I dislike wire-work in general. Performances were weak across the board. Admit it, if they had done the Trinity saves Neo with a kiss thing in a STAR WARS movie, Talkbackers would be all over it. I really didn't understand what all the fuss was about. The movie already looks quite dated to me. I say, BRING ON THE CLONES!
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Good to know that someone out there besides me is still hoping for T3. I just hope the Collateral Damage box office does well enough to back T3.
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...will be VERY disappointed. Me? I'm SET through 2003 with LOTR!!! :)
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Commence gloating. What I'd really like to see is The Clones go head to head with LOTR. But I guess we'll have to settle for Spidey vs. Skywalker. I wanna see both movies do well. But keep in mind that if Spidey has 'legs' and the Clones don't because all the Jedis turn out to be 7 years old and Jar Jar is the one fighting Count Docku at the end. Don't all go kill yourselfs. O.K.
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You know what I'm talkin' about, don't ya fellas?
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It's funny how nearly every message here says SW would have destroyed M2. I would have thought someone would have come rushing to Matrix's defense by now. It also seems that pretty much everyone has accepted the new title. Sweet insanity rules. I was under the impression that this bad boy was looking at SUMMER 2002, not WINTER, so now I have to wait another freaking year. Bah. If 2 ends in a cliffhanger, 3 better come out the next weekend.
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Aug 08, 2001 5:12:40 PM CDT
Just wait til you see Neo coach a lil league baseball team!!!
by bastardly
Hhahaahahhaa, its like he knows his career is failing and hes taking whatever script anyone offers him. Hardball will probably do better than Matrix 2 and 3 though, real smooth move letting go of Mannez you lame fucks.
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The OLD SPICE must flow! In this episode JOOP JOOP Binks COOL WATER REALM is destroyed in the first minutes by BRUTE BOSS DRAKKAR Vader in his HALSTON Z-14 fighter! ARAMIS Skywalker's DESIRE for princess JOVAN MUSK's PREFERRED STOCK fills him with PASSION for ETERNITY! The ALLURE of her in GREY FLANNEL makes him RUSH with ENVY! CK-1 his teacher must control the young jedi's OBSESSION with ENGLISH LEATHER before he ESCAPES to the NEW WEST city of FENDI! - Stay tuned! more of Attack of the Colognes coming soon!
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What kind of movie fans are happy that a potentially great movie is postponed so that episode 2 can rule the summer? Who cares about the box office? Jesus Christ, after the worst movie season in recent memory, shouldn't we all wish for some great movies to come out? I'm certainly looking forward to the car chase where agents move from car to car, and the sword battles, and hopefully another mindfuck consept. What if "the real world" is simply another part of the matrix?
Come to think of it, bearing in mind the fact that most of this summer's trash was rushed in order to reach their release dates, no matter what this did to the movies' quality, I'm happy to see someone spending the time needed to get a movie right.
And i'm betting minority report will be the biggest movie of next summer. Apparently, Spielberg is making a sci-fi movie with a raiders-feel to it. And it's got tom cruise in it. Sounds like a biggie... -
Matrix flinched. Seriously, if this is time necessary to pull the production together and make a better movie, then for once, I actually think WB might be thinking straight (and that NEVER HAPPENS, except for the recent announcement of SEASON BY SEASON BATMAN ANIMATED DVDS! Now all we need is the uncut Return of the Joker.) And "Attack of the Clones" is starting to grow on me. But then I don't throw a bitch-fit based on a friggin' title to begin with.
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And Spidey was pushed from 2001 to 2002 huimself. I mentioned the Matrix news in the Weekly Recap talkback. Glad to see it's getting more upfront coverage. The postponement didn't really surprise me, it seems that almost everything I heard about in relation to the sequels kept getting pushed back and back. I think it'll be for the best. All these Hollywood deadline crunchings were getting out of hand. I mean how many movie have you heard about getting pushed to the limit to make a release date? (Mummy Returns, X-Men, Planet of the Apes, etc, etc as long as I can remember) What's Hollywood afraid of? A little more time might make a much better movie. I know costs are high, but would another back end million to really polish things hurt? I think not. It worked for Titanic
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I guess I'll be going home for Christmas in 2002 after all. I was planning on staying in LA to see Matrix two in a good theater rather than the crappy theaters back home. Matrix 2 is going to be great. Attack of the Clones is going to suck. Period. Oh, and I saw Hardball a few months ago and it was really good. Whoever said that Keanu's career is failing is either an idiot or just isn't paying attention. Oh, and bastardly...I'd like fries with that.
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that guy up there said REplacement Killers was better than the Matrix? oh, man...
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Wow, you guys really are a bunch of fucking nerds aren't you. "Star Wars was gonna do so much more BO than the Matrix", "Oh yeah, well the Matrix was like, way cooler", "Oh yeah, well my dick is 3 inches long", "Oh yeah, mine is 4" Weren't they coming out 6 months apart from each other anyway. That's quite a BO battle brewing there.
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... and say that I'm not really looking forward to either of them. I didn't particuarly like the first Matrix. I thought it was an 'ok' movie, worth seeing, but far from spectacular. It has a great premise (though it's been used before), but the details of the story were totally mishandled, with the main character becoming god-like, and again, the "life-saving Kiss". This is, of course only my opinion. All of you who liked it, you're welcome to. I understand that everybody has different taste in movies, do please don't jump all over me just because I didn't like. Thank you. Now for Star Wars. Despite what people think, Star Wars will do well in the box-office, simply because people want to see what will happen next. Will they like it? Probably some will, and probably some won't. They will watch it anyway, and they'll also go watch episode 3 whenever it comes out, because it's Star Wars, and we all feel the need to see what the big fuss is all about. I am not the biggest Star Wars fan. It's another series of movies that I thought was good, but I really didn't see what the big deal was. Again, this is only my opinion, so don't go lighting my house on fire simply because I disagree with you ok? I'm mainly looking forward to Spider-Man, and LOTR. I don't honestly know if they will "kick ass" or if they will "suck", because I have not seen them yet, and neither have you. Besides, it's all opinions anyway. Try to keep it civil, nobody likes it when an immature punk claims to be the final authority on all things filmed. Ok: Rant finished. - The Skydiving Woodchuck
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Aug 08, 2001 6:58:34 PM CDT
Uh, guys... I don't think Ep II and Matrix ever WERE going to go
by llghtst0rmer
...last I heard (I mean, before Moriarty's story above,) Matrix was meant to be a winter release. No big surprise, then, that it would be pushed back into 2003. Even if it was only pushed back six weeks, it wouldn't have been released in 2002. Besides all that, why the hell do so many people feel Matrix and Star Wars are a "one or the other" situation, anyway? Makes no goddamn sense to me. They're movies, folks, not pro wrestlers or college football teams. They're not made to "kick each other's asses." What's the deal?
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However, this does not sound good. They still have plenty of time to see if this can be released in 2002. I agree that by the time it's released in 2003, it may be outdated. And the interest, anticipation will have cooled. Why oh Why is Joel Silver making this type of announcement now? A whole year in advance? Egads, I was actually looking forward to this.....now we have the "Attack of the Clones" to satiate our appetites for some SF action. And that does not sound, well, appetizing............
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Come on face it, the SW series is gone unless somebody elese besides George Lucas can pick up the last movie. I am not looking forward to watch anothe SW movie (sorry to say). Matrix is in danger of become outdated though, unless they really pul something out of the sleave 2003 too long.
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The Matrix "Reloaded"? Give me a break. That title is every bit as lame as "Attack of the Clones." The first time I heard it, I was reminded of the games "Reload" and "Reloaded" which were really stupid shooter video games for the Playstation. Anyways, titles or not, we should just hope that they're good, fun movies in the end. And I loved episode 1 but it sounds like ep 2 WILL be grittier and have much more story than Ep I which is important. I just hope Lucas doesn't use some similar lame B-ish, serial style title for Ep 3 like "The Long Hand of Doom" which I believe theforce.net pointed out using a bunch of titles of old movies and books Lucas loves, a title like that isn't entirely out of the question. Why not something simple yet cool like Ep 3: "Fall to the Dark Side" or to bring it full circle nicely "Ep 3: Return of the Sith." I really like the latter. Oh well. It's not that AoTC sets my nerves on end. It's an alright title if you look at it nostalgically. But it just sounds like a title which was made by someone who didn't give a crap what the title sounded like.
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"Prayer has no place within these walls, just like logic has no place in organized religion." Consider the tb's a house of worship for those with nothing better to do.-----Ahh, well...2002 was looking to make up for the last two years, but tis better to get it right...
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What is it WITH YOU PEOPLE!! He shoves a crappy film at you and you crawl back and kiss his ASS! I mean it seems Lucas could put in Teletubbies and you'd flock to see it! He could have fart jokes and you'd still go see it! It's official, Star Wars fans give Star Trek fans (the lowest of the low) a bad name! At least STAR TREK fans are smart enough to steer away when they see the crap thrown at them. You Star Wars fans open your mouth, catch it, swallow and then ask for more. Lucas is basically giving you the big middle finger and your still bowing before him. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! -
Am I the only one here who thinks that the Matrix is waaaay overrated?!? I say ROCK ON GEORGE!! :)
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Back the f$#@ off of my man George. You obviously have no taste in movies, because if you did, there is no way you would be comparing Star Wars to Star Trek! Anyways, isn't this talkback supposed to be about the Matrix?!? Next thing you will probably say is that the Matrix rocked and that a sequel is an awesome idea. Don't you think that they would realize when to give up?!?
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Wow, if this movie pans out, Keanu Reeves could be the next Emelio Estevez!
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Aug 08, 2001 9:26:04 PM CDT
Who else thinks we should ban everyone who's screen name begins
by batutta
It's so old.
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Is it me, or did someone get injured on the Matrix set? J/K..I have no idea how far along they were with shooting. Were they done principal, and are now just waiting for effects? What I'd like to know is why it's being pushed back. I highly doubt it's due to just a better release date. The reason for that is that, to my knowledge ((which is vastly limited of course)) "The Two Towers" should be released Christmas, 2003. Unless the Matrix people feel that after Fellowship of the Ring, people would rather see Matrix Reloaded instead of The Two Towers. Then...why would they assume that, unless they have seen if The Fellowship of the Ring sucks or not?
It's probably more to do with effects. That can take time and if the director wants a shot perfect, it really means a lot of retries of the same shots. That'd be great! A director who realises that he needs to put his input in and direct those CGI sequences and not leave it up to some tech.
But it's possibly due to an injury or bad timing. Maybe Keanu is shooting Ed II, after stealing that awesome role from Matt leBlanc. And, as someone else mentioned, maybe they're re-editing and shooting more scenes to remove an off-key performance, by anyone...possibly Jada Pickuchu something. Hey, I dig Episode I, but on the DVD, is there an option to view the movie without Jar-Jar speaking or making an ass of himself? Just wondering. Oh..and for that matter...can they put out a new Matrix DVD so I can remove that dumb kiss shit? I mean, Trinity is hot and all, but I dont know if it would wake me up...it might send me to heaven, instead!
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oh wow! I didn't realize King Conan was really finally in the works or at least being seriously talked about. The question is can Schwarzenegger still hack it? Can he still kick butt at his age and with his heart? Or are they just going to use some younger guy with King Conan Arnold in the background, which would suck. I hate it when they do that. Schwarzenegger hasn't been up to his old self in a long time. I hated Sixth Day, Eraser and End of Days. Why, oh why, is Hollywood deserting this old workhorse. Money-grubbing, forward-thinking bastards, hehehe Oh well at least we'll always have Conan, Predator, Terminator and Total Recall and heck, I even remember The Running Man and Commando fondly.
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Children of Dune will be aired in December of 2002!!
We talk about it here:
http://communities.msn.com/TheLandsraad
Registered as the most active science fiction site at MSN.
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Aug 08, 2001 11:49:42 PM CDT
If it takes them a little longer to do it right. . .
by sith lord jesus
. . .then I'm fine with it. Truth to tell, I've been worried about the very idea of a MATRIX sequel since I first heard about it--which is right after the first film blew up big at the box office. THEN all of a sudden it was "Uh, yeah, it's part of, um, a TRILOGY! No, really!" Movies that are made solely for the $$$ invariably suck, no matter how cool the first one was. See BLAIR WITCH II if ya don't believe me. But if they really take the time and put in the effor to do it right, then maybe RELOADED (BITCHIN'title, btw) will have a chance. I can wait 'till 2003; LOTR and--maybe--ATTACK OF THE CLONES (gawd I loathe that name) will tide me over until then.
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The Wachowski brothers know how to tell a story. And Joel Silver knows how to sell it. So MATRIX 2 might actually be worth the wait. As for summer box office battles, take a look at the movies that did phenomenally well this summer. Shrek's basically it. Besides that MUMMY 2 is the only other movie that cleared the two hundred million dollar mark, therefore started making its money back only a few tens of millions of dollars ago (tacking advertising onto an $80mil plus budget). FAST AND FURIOUS wound up making a TON of money for its budget. DR. DOOLITTLE 2 and CATS&DOGS made decent profits too. Most of those other highly-anticipated hundred million plus jobbers (TR, JP3) barely covered their overheads. At a $139mil domestically PEARL HARBOR is still waiting returns to justify its TITANIC-esque budget. And at only $77mil domestically my heart goes out to AI. In terms of the present time period POTA will not make its money back on the big screen. Probably not on the small screen either. But let's hope those toys bring in some extra revenue for WB. The big one right now is RUSH HOUR 2, which, like THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS made a lot its opening weekend with a less than spectacular advertising campaign. And the future looks bright for that sequel. However the cost for that one started at $60million before the script was even budgeted (due to above-the-line paychecks). I wouldn't be surprised if RH2's budget exceeded a hundred mil. However it will be one of the few that actually makes its money back and then some. Now here's a box office acid test. At this time last year if I said Tim Burton's long awaited remake of PLANET OF THE APES, JURASSIC PARK 3, film versions of FINAL FANTASY and TOMB RAIDER, Disney's ATLANTIS, Bruckheimer-Bay's labor of love PEARL HARBOR and a Kubrick-Spielberg collaboration starring Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law were going "head to head" with RUSH HOUR 2, THE MUMMY RETURNS, something called THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS and a CG animated movie with a quirky title, what would you've put your money on this summer? I said it before and I'll say it again, the movies you'll be going to see again and again next summer, you don't even give a crap about right now. I will also stand by my prediction that- thanks to massive overhyping on the internet- the Ring series doesn't stand a chance in hell. Wow. I can't believe I got through all that without mentioning you-know-what even once!
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Why in the world would they push the date back? God I've been anticipating this movie since I left the theater in 99. EP2 and Matrix 2 would not even be competing(I know this is spelled wrong)against each other since Matrix2 was do out X-mas 02, and would only be in 02 for about a week. Summer 03 is a long time to wait, but if they need time to get it perfect then I suppose it's the best way to go, but summer 03????? MY God that's a long time to wait.
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When all talkbackers whine about other talkbackers whining...these whiners are just whining to try and make a better film and then people have to go and whine about their selfless efforts towards filmdom! I HATE it........it's SO SO.... repetive.
Let's just take it as a given whining is anoying and not be a gormless arse who doesn't realise that s/he too...is whining.
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Well, let's see... The Phantom Menace made $431 million. However, it had a massive build up and a wait of so many years behind it, plus wasn't all that well recieved by the general public. Even as a Star Wars fan, I'm not nearly as excited about the next one. It'll be much harder to convince non-fans that this is something to get excited about, as well. If it's about equal to EP1 in quality, then it will be likely to top out at $300 mil (adjusting for inflation, that would easily be the most disappointing Star Wars flick at the box office). The Matrix made $171 million at domestic theaters, and had good buzz. Since the flick was more of a sleeper hit (as special effect flicks go) and the next one qualifies as an event film, it's a safe bet that the sequel will outgross the original. Once again if it's of the same quality as the first, the R-rated sequel could make around $225 million. Spider-man doesn't really have much to look at in guessing box-office. X-men grossed $157 million with characters less known to the general public and a lot less buzz. (Entertainment Weekly certainly jumped on the Spidey bandwagon early). Like EP1, fans of the character have been waiting for a Spidey film for ages. Of course, it only has a few weeks before EP2 steals its thunder. $200 million seems assured if it's a solid film, with significantly more possible from the all-ages crowd. Any of these movies could explode well beyond those numbers if the films are kick ass and pull in non-fans of the source materials... although the Matrix 2 is going to find a lower ceiling with that rating. Finally, I don't think anyone really has a concept of what Lord of the Rings is going to do (aside from a big opening weekend for the first one)... flop to mega-hit all seem possible. But what the hell do I know?
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I think Dustin Hoffman should play Ewan's retarded gay lover and they should call it..ISHTAR "Attack of Rainman the Sailor Boy!" directed of course by George "Clone-y" Lucas -
Aug 09, 2001 7:30:20 AM CDT
Matrix going the Back to the future route... it's not too long!
by sethshandor
It was 4 years in between BTTF one and two and people were still lining up for it. 1985 and 1989. The public will still be ready for it the Matrix. Video sales are still decent and it has yet to hit non pay cable TV I believe. Just like BTTF released Part II in the 89 holiday season and III in the 90 summer season, I bet Matrix 2 will be out summer 03 and 3 out holiday 03 as well. I bet they'll go for two big hits in the same year, and I bet they'll get them. They are following the BTTF angle to a tee (the first movies I know of that ever did back to back sequels).
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I would love it if once, just ONCE, I could go to a talkback, ANY talkback, without you pathetic nerds harping on and on and on about the idiotic brainless children's series that is Star Wars. You sycophantic fools really amaze the hell out of me. It's all well and good if that stuff is your cup of whisky, but the rapid, foaming at the mouth reactions it provokes in you is not healthy by any means. I grew up on SW too. Loved it beyond measure I realize now because of my simple little brain as a child! Since it was so ingrained, I had no context as an adult to judge it fairly. Then came PM. And it changed everything. I was able to see that the origals, while fun, are not great films by any means. You fools that hail them as the greatest movies ever mad, what the hell is going on in that head of yours? I cannot understand how you can dis on Potter as kid's stuff, then open wide for more of Lucas' crap. The man cannot write, and cannot direct! He can come up with a semi-decent STORY, but all reins should be handed to someone else, and he loves money soooo much he will disfigure his fetus in any way just to make more and more. Frankly, I feel so much better since I became disillusioned with it all, to no longer be a space monkey. SW Fans are fanatics, pure and simple, and not in a cute way. I remember how it used to be much cooler to be into SW than Trek, because SW fans didn't dress up like dorks and run around slobbering over it all. Then I saw all the dorks at PM, and it was sad and embarassing. Well, hell, I thought, the movie will kick ass right? Only nine more hours till I see it!! Fuck, was I wrong. Anyway, you disciples really need to branch out into other things. Harping on other flicks because you personally care how much money Herr Lucas makes off his next abortion? Why do you give a shit? Do you have an investment? No, you don't. Do you know Lucas personally? No, you don't. Are you complete freaks of nature without lives? Yeah, you really are. Now, I'm gonna go watch the 1980 version of Flash Gordon. At least that's a crappy, silly Sci-Fi flick that KNOWS it's retarded, which makes it fun, unlike the scary cult that you people have built around a series of expensive b-movies. Sad.
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If they're not great films, why did they make so much money. Are you actually suggesting that only good films make a lot of money? I sure hope that is not the case, cuz that means some real pieces of shit are "classics". I'm not bitter, and I never said one movie ruined it for me. I said it made me go back and carefully view the originals under a more sane mind. You, however, are exactly the sort of sycophant I refer to. "I'm tired of the naysayers!!!" Jeez, get over it. Reminds me of the South Park episode with the David Blaine cult.
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I think it is obvious that they have pushed the release dates back to give birth to some new Technology.... Bullet-time took a couple years to develop and I at least will admit that the first time I seen Matrix, I was in awe... It would make sense that they thought something was going to be ready (tech wise) and it is not.... so... they will push back until they can do what they want. This is the reason that Lucas took so long to do the prequels... he waited for technology... So, even though I dread the delay. I say good for you to the production staff for having the balls to not rush another movie...
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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! Do you really think that many 'normal' people will go to watch EP2 after the crapfest that was Ep1? HAHAHAH. The fans will line up, but many non fans who got caught up in the hype are not going to watch any more trash from Lucas. It will make money, but less than Ep1. As for the MAtrix 2, damn, I was looking forward to this. As usual, the Star Wars fans poke fun at the Matrix, which was a far superior film to the Phantom Travesty in EVERY SINGLE WAY! How the hell can you watch that shit without laughing at it? When I last watched the original films, I thought I'd give TPM another chance, but gave up half way through, its that bad. And no, I'm not a disappointed fanboy who feals cheated; I was never that big a fan in the first place, but I liked the original trilogy.
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what a bad bad bad week for film lovers...first we finally get word of lucas's crack smoking
"attack of the killer clones" bs, then we find out ratner is definately attached to red dragon(though the norton factor helps,
i had enuff of ratner grooming for harris' sack with 'red dragon' being a main theme in rush hour 2) and now...
No matrix 2 in 2002!?!? have the wochalskis completely lost their balls? what happened to 'oh yeah, were gonna open the same day as
episode 2;. sheesh...which begs the question...whats there to look fwd to in 2002 besides SWe2? spiderman(i know that was a fake trailer, but man...) blade 2? MIB2? sheesh, they minus well have a driven in 70's film remake
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Aug 09, 2001 10:45:39 AM CDT
Now let me get this straight, people think that Attack of the Cl
by smeg for brains
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Aug 09, 2001 10:49:23 AM CDT
Now let me get this straight, people think that Attack of the Cl
by smeg for brains
Reloaded?! What the fuck is that? Man, I am actually losing interest in the new Matrix movies with every new bit of info. At least AOTC has something to do with the movie, is in keeping with the other titles in the series, and isn't just a "cool" sounding gimick title like Reloaded. Reloaded. What a fucking joke. And by the way, I actually like the first movie a lot.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/
Here's a hyperlink that should be of interest to Matrix fans:
ASIN/1563894440/ref=sim_books/104-5404141-4965540
Since the Wachowski brothers ripped off Grant Morrison's 'The Invisibles' comic books to make their first film, I assume they'll be going back to Grant Morrison's source material for ideas for their sequels.
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Aug 09, 2001 12:37:19 PM CDT
The URL in my last post was screwed up by this crap website.
by radiohead
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1563894440/ref=sim_books/104-5404141-4965540
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Before I say this I must stress that I am a huge Star Wars fan and I even rather enjoyed TPM.
The exception IMHO is Empire, which has a sensible plot, story and convincing characterisation.
The Star Wars films are NOT great, well made films. This does not negate the fact that they are highly entertaining and interesting pieces of entertainment.
The are not however great films. here is why.
1: The acting is not particularly good: especially in TPM and ANH.(especially Jake Lloyd)
2: This is made worse but the incredibly unlikely and cumbersome dialogue.
3: The plots are always simplistic and usually fail to tie off all loose ends, leaving gaping plotholes.
4: They are special effects based (this is more pertinant for the new trilogy) and everything else must work around these factors.
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Lucas' whole basis for Star Wars was a Japanese Movie called "the hidden fortress" back in the 1950's The whole movie is unoriginal, and this is a freakin Matrix Talkback damnit! So shut up with the Star Wars Bull.... It sucks, It sucks, It sucks, It sucks......IT BLOWS They BLOW and Lucas is like some sick cult master who is just playing with your minds... It's Crap... deal with it, realize it, live your own god damn lives.... IT'S CRAP
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so i'm happy. matrix 2 will be fun and all, but it just doesn't have me jazzed in the way that the long-awaited big-screen adaptation of Spiderman has me jazzed. even tho i have problems with the GG costume design, well, on the bright side, we have that teaser. every time i watch spidey ZOOM through Manhattan, i get shivers. it's amazing. that is some fine-ass footage. anyways, matrix 2 should make for a damn good ride, and well, if the wachowskis and co. need more time to pull off their vision, then that's fine by me.
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Since it's Microsoft's world now, shouldn't it have been "refreshed"? And yes I know, only I think that's funny!
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"in 2 years time all this "bullet time" crap will be standard made for tv special efects..."
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Christ they used Bullet time in the Sam Neill 'Merlin' movie
and in Max Payne the new computer game its not big or clever, frankly I never liked it.
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One of the truly maddening things about reading posts in these talkbacks is how people confuse their opinion with objective fact. Caracass, you must live in a fantasy land. By no measure did Matrix beat TPM. Where do you get the 6 to 3 number. The only thing Matrix may have beaten TPM was in rentals, and TPM rentals were lower because it was priced to sell (and it sold millions of copies). And some people saw TPM more than once because they genuinely liked it. And when you say that TPM was predicted to be the biggest hit of all time you say it as though that were the consensus opinion. It was not. I don
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Hell yes I still watch South Park. It's actually funnier now than it ever was, just how Simpsons improved with age. Anyway, I found it interesting that you said South Park is "so late 90's", because well, that's a very shallow way of looking at things (Who are you, Lizzie Grubman?), but also because this is all about Star Wars, and isn't the whole Star Wars bandwagon so late 70's?? It's just like when things like bellbottoms and big collars make a comeback: Everything remembers it being so cool, then when they return, it just isn't the same and kinda pathetic. Just as sad as Lucas making his "comeback"...pretty lame the second time around.
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I think a LOT of you people should really go back to school. You see, some people will say they like a movie, and some will say they don't like it. Each side claims that they're right, and the other is wrong. You know what? Neither is. That's right, if you'd graduated elementary school, then you should know that there is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to opinions. If you don't like a movie, that does not mean that just because somebody else does like it, they are any of the following: a) a moron, b) misguided, c) deprived, or d) a rabid "fanboy". What it means is they have different taste in movies (and no, it's not good or bad taste). I personally didn't like either "The Matrix" or Star Wars, but hey, that's only my OPINION. It does not bother me at all that most of you like one, the other or both. I really think this is funny, to see so many people who are wasting so much time trying to say why their opinion is "right", an argument which can never be proven.
Dan
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First, they had to rush rush rush thanks to the strikes that never happened and now the Wachowskis are clearly taking their time and treating it like one big movie? GOOD. They can take their time on a sequel (for once) and maybe deliver something as fun as the first one.
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I don't canre how much time they take, ditch the hack
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Star Wars fans, you gotta admit, George got lukcy! If it wasn't for Star Wars he would have put a gun in his mouth a long time ago! His whole career is SW! As for The Matrix Reloaded...its a fine name and isn't just being made for some greens! Larry and Andy had the whole thing planned back in '99! Speaking of movies being made just for cash...The Force.Net has got a word from Lucas Films saying theres gonna be ANOTHER special edition! Now Lucas is really going low to get some money...as for the box office..Star Wars will beat Matrix, it has been around since the disco times and is rated PG which means lil boys and girls can go see it...while The Matrix is R...Larry and Andy aren't gonna hold back...we got 2 incredibly smart brothers working on two great films while we got a 40 year old somethin' man needin' money...Go Matrix!
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Sep 25, 2001 8:26:51 AM CDT
Fuck the W brothers, fuck them with a big rubber dick! They bett
by matrix_sux
Now I'm hearing shit that they want to fuck up the new Conan movie! Fuck them! Fuck those one hit wonders until they fucking bleed! If they put any of that wire-fu shit in Conan I will rip off their balls and feed it to them for lunch! And I don't care what they put in M@, it will be only a regurgitated version of what has been in H-K for years. Innovative my ass.
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