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Wanna see some MATRIX II weapons'
Hey folks, Harry here... Hehehhehe, oh man... oh man oh man oh man, yes yes yes... Ya know, this is what I want to see. Let's ditch the guns and get back to basics! I want sword powers and action and badassness... ManOmanOmanOman... Yes!
Yo Harry, Cynn Samhain from the Jagged*Team here. (JaggedTeam.Com)
Last night as I was looking at weapons on OrientalWeapons.Com> I found a page with the Musashi Miyamoto Daisho Katana. At the bottom of the description, it reads: "These swords were used in the upcoming movie MATRIX II." I emailed the company asking how they knew these swords to be in the movie and got this reply: "According to manufacturer it is true however we decided to remove all CAS I thought this would be a nice tidbit for all the really hard core Matrix fans. Personally I can't wait to see all of the awesome Matrix camera tricks used with melee weapons. -Cynn Samhain URL of Swords:CLICK HERE TO SLICE AWAY!!!
Iberia swords and we are not going to carry them.
Regards,
Darius Lachovicz
Global Outlet"
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This film is gonna kick ass
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I haven't seen so much Freudian imagery since I caught my mother smoking a cigar in the bath.
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Aug 08, 2001 4:20:59 AM CDT
"last night i was looking at weapons"--man, you gotta love the i
by lance rock
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Aug 08, 2001 5:30:49 AM CDT
What? No Chorda Boy cockrocket? oh my god, this is going to suck
by jungle-face-jake
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The swords won't be the main weapons I think. I heard that some Japanese mangaka have been invited to design part of the environment for the Matrix II (technologies, vehicles, weapons) so it will be interesting see how they mix futuristic and ancient styles. Matrix I carbon copied some scenes found in Anime but I think that it had details that made it unique and fun to watch. Personally I hope that the Matrix II will be at least as good as the first one.
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Yeah, Neo would kick more ass with a Chinese broad sword. But I'm sure they'll do something cool with the katana.
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First of all, Neo was "trained" in many many martial arts, not just kung-fu.
And while the Chinese Broadsword fighting style is a lot flashier, it's not as effective, nor as strong a weapon as a properly wielded Katana.
And Ipecac Jack... You got your terminology a little mixed up there. Bushido was the warrior code, not sword training. Iaido is training in swordplay. -
Just got the word that "Matrix: Reloaded" won't be released until summer of '03. Not good. Is it because of the directors' need to tinker with it some more, are are they just trying to get it out of the way of SW:AOTC?
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I loved "The Matrix", but to make a sequel is just plain dumb! It will suck. As far as these weapons, I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!! WEAPONS THAT HAVE IMPRESSED ME IN CINEMA: the Pulse Rifle in "Aliens", "Robocop's" side arm, the lightsaber from "Star Wars" and of course "Excalibur".
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I loved "The Matrix", but to make a sequel is just plain dumb! It will suck. As far as these weapons, I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!! WEAPONS THAT HAVE IMPRESSED ME IN CINEMA: the Pulse Rifle in "Aliens", "Robocop's" side arm, the lightsaber from "Star Wars" and of course "Excalibur".
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I loved "The Matrix", but to make a sequel is just plain dumb! It will suck. As far as these weapons, I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!! WEAPONS THAT HAVE IMPRESSED ME IN CINEMA: the Pulse Rifle in "Aliens", "Robocop's" side arm, the lightsaber from "Star Wars" and of course "Excalibur".
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Iaido is the art of drawing, cutting your opponent, removing the blood of the sword, and replacing the sword back into the saya all in one motion. Kendo is more active sword play/dueling than Iai is...so what does this mean?? It means that my interest in Matrix Reloaded just went up TENFOLD. As long as something new is incorporated into the movie that hasn't really been seen before, it will rock...I am hopeful that the sword dueling will be done from a fresh perspective (read NEW!!). I really am getting tired of seeing the same thing in movies...even if it is cool.
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There will be NO swords in the movie...I should know cause I was on the development team. However, I do feel everyone will be surprised by the weapons that do appear.
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Come on, who wouldn't want to see some nice toasty flames in full bullet-time in the second movie? FWOOSH!
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Aug 08, 2001 1:47:24 PM CDT
Ok, first of all that jpeg of the musashi daisho swords is at le
by ganryu
Hi, this is the first time I ever felt compelled to respond to a talkback. I usually go around and read the obsessed opinions of star wars fanboys for fun as they bitch over the new movie subtitle. Now that I'm officially a memeber or something I just want to say I don't care who's first as long as everyone gets a turn.
In any case I doubt the authenticity of the claim that the sword will be in the movie. Now I'm not saying its impossible, its just a little strange. First of all you have to consider that the jpeg of Musashi Daisho swords is at least two years old. How do I know this? Because I downloaded that exact jpeg two years ago for a powerpoint presentation on the life of Musashi. Now maybe since then the Wachowski brothers have decided to order a few sets and notify the provider. I don't know. But at least this way, everyone can know that these weren't specially made Matrix II endorsed products. Anyway for my reasons, which I point out aren't entirely concrete, I doubt that the claim is authentic. Hell, I have doubts over the autheniticy of the claim that these are even close replicas to the swords that Musashi actually owned. It seems more likely to me that they are exact replicas of the swords that Toshiro Mifune carried in the Samurai Trilogy, a series of movies that were based on the book "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa which in turn was loosely based on the life of the actual Miyamoto Musashi. However it is easy to imagine that an obscure oriental weapons provier (and come on, they're all obscure to the general public) could make such a claim which regardless of its accuracy would nevertheless increase sales in the product. And if it turns out that the swords were never in the movie, they could always claim that it was a shot that was deleated from the final movie, or even that it was a storyboard concept that was never filmed. And the time that they would have to say that would be at least a year from now during which the normally meager sales of oriental weapons among the general populace increases a substantial amount with Matrix collectors being first in line.
In any case, there is nothing new about this product. It has existed for at least two years on the net and quite possibly has been out since even before the Matrix was conceived when the Wachowski brothers decided to watch Ghost in the Shell.
Oh yeah and I've been training in martial arts for 10 years doing Shotokan Karate, so on that note I won't even pretend to know the subtleties of the various Japanese sword arts. But I do however know quite a lot about Miyamoto Musashi whether or not that knowledge is based on the true historical figure or the fictionalized character.
On the subject of Neo using other martial arts techniques, I feel that the whole concept of fight scenes in the matrix are based solely off of HK cinema, witness Ping's involvement. Maybe they will decide to expand the concept, but generally speaking the Matrix is the product of a combined anime and HK cinema fetish so I don't see it straying too far from that. Personally I think that the whole concept of Neo learning a whole range of martial arts was done so that if Neo suddenly did something unorthodox (by movie kungfu standards) but nevertheless cool looking, they wouldn't have to explain it further. Same thing with the whole concept of Neo pretty much being able to do whatever he wants now.
If they do have a katana in the movie, I hope they do the fight like a quickly cut Japanese cinema fight not a flowerly and overelaborate HK cinema type fight. Its intresting when you compare the two genres. In Japanese movies like Yojimbo, sword fighting is portrayed as pretty quick and dirty almost like a real fight. Whereas in Chinese movies its more a point about gracefulness and flowerly movements like in all their wushu movies. Basically the Japanese movies are a little more direct and realistic like watching a bar fight vs watching ballet. Kurosawa's films for example show sword fights to be almost like quick draws (which has a little to do with his being influenced by westerns and his later influence on westerns) like in the scene in the Seven Samurai where the aesthetic swordsman duels with the haughty challenger in his introduction scene.
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now it's time to talk more about ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
it has a cool nickname!
check what we call the other movies for short:
Star Wars (A New Hope)
Empire (Empire Strikes Back)
Jedi (Return of the Jedi)
Menace (Phantom Menace)
we could call this one Attack or we could call it Clones, either one sounds cool -
Hi, I agree that many of the Anime out there is just recycled stuff and is all intended as a generic anime to please the producers.
But within the Anime genre there are many excellent productions that include drama and unique characters. Unfortunately not all anime gets play time in the states and some of the best anime is cut or censored since people in the States relate anime with "kid's show/appeal" just because is hand drawn.
Here in Japan there is a great TV program that allows general people submit stories (love, fantasy etc) and the best ones are made into anime shorts, not big eyed babes with superpowers, and many of them deal with basic human emotions. In Japan anime is just a form of expression, maybe you should give anime another shot. -
then I hope to Hell that they actually use the damn things like katanas. Who here saw the last Highlander movie (and the preceding ones for that matter)? [Shudder] You just don't use a katana with Kung Fu styles you'll crack the damned edge!
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MAX PAYNE was a kick ass game. The story was fantastic, the bullet time was cool and a whole lot useful, and there will be a movie made out of MAX PAYNE. I bet you think it sucks because you can't beat it.
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Matrix with oriental weapons has already been released under the name "crouching tiger hidden dragon"
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The Matrix, as I perceived it and most other normal people who just watch movies for leisure do, was a much more psychological movie that gives that weird feeling of actually having a slight chance of being a reality. This makes you think and these are the types of movies I like, the ones that have psychological interaction in them instead of just all fighting and crap. Movies like the Matric, Pi, The Game, Seven, and others I can't think of now actually make you think and tap into your imagination. These are the types of movies that you always remember. They present new concepts otherwise not thought of before in a new way and also sometimes have a scary or creepy reality to them that just make you think...wow. If another one or two comes out, it will be almost impossible to keep the same feeling that the first one gave people because the first one ends meaning to make people wonder what is to come. If people are told what is to come the effect of the first one will be lost. The only sequel ever to be better then the first was terminator 2, but that was because in the first one the actors were totally unknown and the movie was kind of drab and didn't give a good enough explanation of the events. Movies aren't all about fighting; it's also got to make you think. Some fighting is always good though. Too much just takes the fun out of it.
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I don't know what is worse, watching boring ass soap opras or Japanese animation. Either one is like torture. I would kill myself if i had to watch that pure shit for an entire day. Big ass eye balls that you just want to gouge out of their heads and the most annoying little kid voices. It just makes me want to really hurt someone. How can any one stand these stupid ass shows - Pokemon, Digimon, whatever, whatever,whatever,Dragonball Z, there are infinite amounts of them they don't stop. The creators should be tied up and beaten with giant metal objects. I don't ever remember when i was a kid such homosexual based cartoons where they scream like little girls even the adults. All the guys dress up like girls and have sex with each other, and it just makes me sick. IF i were to be made by force (by like the Japanese army or something) i might as well just cut my eyes out. The only reason i can see for anime is revenge on the US by Japan for the atomic bombs in WWII. That is all i can think of why it exists. They want to pollute little kids heads in America so they turn out to be all gay and not have any children so in 2040 the US will not have enough troops to defend itself against japans invation. Otherwise, if these people are just really sick wacks, they should all be rounded up and given Chinese water torture for their evil deeds
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I am a twenty-three-year-old female with an interest in sci-fi and the martial sciences. Simply because I read comic books and watch sci-fi does not mean I picked up on the study of the martial sciences because of those things. They are, for the most part, mutually exclusive. I have never met anyone who got into the arts of fighting for the simple fact that they saw a movie or an anime or what have you that inspired them to go out and try to learn Kung Fu (in any of it's forms) or anyother form or style. I began learning the martial sciences because I needed to find balance in my life. Fightng was an add-on to the philosophy I was taught. Any good school or teacher will tell you this. Not to say that people may begin learning the arts for the reason that they saw it in a movie and they thought it was cool, but these ar the people that either do not stay to learn philosophy or they come to see the reasons behind their arts and stay with it after the luster of "I can kick butt now" attitude has worn off (or been beaten out of them in their first loss). To say that all sci-fi fans go to the arts because of what they saw is absurd. Most practioners I know watch not because they started as fans but so that they can pick apart the sci-fi fighting because it is not their style or it is choreographed. I also practice weapons forms. Does that say something about my interst in sci-fi? That I got into the art of swordfighting because I watched too much Ninja Turtles as a kid? Not really in my opinion. It expresses a need to want to learn more about the philosophy behind my culture. The sword was integral in Japan for hundreds of years. I'm also an anthropolgy major in college. Does this tell people I watched the Indiana Jones movies too much? Maybe, but I was interested in the field before I ever saw Harrison Ford in a fedora. People are putting too much stock in how the media supposedly shapes our reality. Nothing is as directly connected as it seems. So saying that the Matrix belittles the Japanese sword arts or those who practice with them is a silly statement. Miyamoto fought with things other than his famous swords. It's not that big of a deal that they used a famous sword in a movie. Think back to the Highlander frenzy and the Dragon head Katana. Simply because people have one and watch the show doen't mean that they know how to use it. Someone who can use it properly will best them, no matter how good they think they are. My point here is that it's nothing more than a prop department making a call and someone taking advantage of the publicity it created. If it creates an interest and someone decides to learn more about the replica sword they just bought, then the will learn the truth behind the mystique of the art for which the sword was created. If they just buy the sword, don't know how to use it, and hurt themselves, then maybe they will learn about the control needed to use it right. Either way, it begins as a way to make money for the sci-fi industry and maybe some correct knowledge will come out of it.
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