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It's Been 24 Hours Since I Heard About STAR WARS EPISODE TWO: ATTACK OF THE CLONES... My Thoughts

Hey folks, Harry here... Ya know, yesterday took quite a swing on the ol' AICN servers. We got blasted by super high traffic loads and when I did a quick update to David's announcement of the title... I had to keep it short because there was no telling if I'd even be able to update the story, given the precarious nature of the server at that time.

So I never really got to chime in. Things are calm this morning and I figured that I would give you my thoughts on all of this.

I woke up yesterday morning to a phone call from USA TODAY's César G. Soriano, who after confirming that I was I, asked "What is your reaction to the announced title by George Lucas today, STAR WARS EPISODE 2: ATTACK OF THE CLONES?"

Mind you, I hadn't even opened my eyes yet, I had the phone to my ear and I heard "STAR WARS EPISODE 2: ATTACK OF THE CLONES" There was only one reaction... immediate laughter. I never fully composed myself. I had had two hours sleep and I get hit with that? Laughter was the only possible response.

A short while later I get a call from Junior Mintz... that Jersey drawl of hers licking at my ear as she sternly seems adamant at pointing out that "CLONES don't attack, they just sit there till ya tell 'em to do something. Crabs Attack, Polar Bears Attack, Martians Attack, CLONES DON'T!!!!" Again, my only response was laughter.

Last night I broke in the Geek Headquarters Screening Room here at Plaza del Knowles with a double feature of YELLOW SUBMARINE and BARBARELLA in 16mm. Before that were trailers for RAW MEAT, KING KONG ESCAPES, HERCULES AND THE GOLIATH and finally THE KILLER SHREWS! I came into the house and my internet connection was the victim of TIME WARNER's currently spotty due to updates to the system service... so I just went to sleep.

This morning I woke up and came into the living room... sat down, had a couple of swigs of Diet Mountain Dew and looked over at an Auction Catalog that Bruce Hershenson of Emovieposter.Com put on back a month or two ago. It was an auction of an amazing collection of Serial Movie Posters... Those old Chapter Plays that Annie Wilkes told us about... As I perused the catalog, my eyes gazing over to luscious and beautiful posters of yesteryear, I started looking at the Chapter Titles for the Genre Serials...

Chapter 4 of the FLASH GORDON serial - "BATTLING THE SEA BEAST"

Chapter 1 of THE UNDERSEA KINGDOM serial - "BENEATH THE OCEAN FLOOR"

Chapter 2 of DICK TRACY serial - "THE BRIDGE OF TERROR"

Chapter 5 of DICK TRACY RETURNS serial - "DEATH IN THE AIR"

Chapter 6 of FLASH GORDON'S TRIP TO MARS serial - "TREE-MEN OF MARS"

Chapter 14 of FLASH GORDON'S TRIP TO MARS serial - "A BEAST AT BAY"

Chapter 2 of THE SPIDER RETURNS serial - "THE FATAL TIME-BOMB"

Chapter 6 of CAPTAIN MIDNIGHT serial - "WEIRD WATERS"

Chapter 12 of THE PHANTOM serial - "THE FANGS OF THE BEAST"

Chapter 1 of the BATMAN serial - "THE ELECTRICAL BRAIN"

Chapter 1 of the TIGER WOMAN serial - "THE TEMPLE OF TERROR"

Chapter 5 of the BATMAN AND ROBIN serial - "ROBIN RESCUES BATMAN"

Chapter 12 of the SUPERMAN serial - "BLAST IN THE DEPTHS"

Chapter 3 of the BATMAN AND ROBIN serial - "ROBIN'S WILD RIDE"

Chapter 8 of the BATMAN AND ROBIN serial - "ROBIN MEETS THE WIZARD!"

Chapter 1 of COMMANDER CODY SKY MARSHAL OF THE UNIVERSE serial - "ENEMIES OF THE UNIVERSE"

Ya know, there's always been a silly nature to STAR WARS... The way the spaceships swoop around, the way Luke Skywalker would just inexplicably do a backflip in the midst of a fight with Darth Vader, letting the Wookie win at chess, laugh it up laser brain, how you get so big eating food of this kind, R2D2 as a chew-toy, going to pick up them Power Converters, it might not look like much on the outside, Yahoo kid now let's blow this place and go home, what a delightful smell you've discovered, I have you now, Just as soon kiss a wookie, CLOSER?!?!?!?!?

You get the point. There's a playful fun silliness to STAR WARS, of course in the great chapters, "A NEW HOPE" and "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK" there was a perfect mixture of pathos, mythos and sillios.

When George Lucas was first telling us about THE CLONE WARS, when we were all little tykes, clones were a mysterious science fiction concept. Somewhat abstract. But now that we have DOLLY THE CLONE SHEEP, well clones have a rather silly nature to them. THE CLONE WARS is a gang war over cel phone scams in Manhattan. Right now, our perception of CLONES is quite sedate and goofy. Weird Al said it best with, "I think I'm a clone now, there's always two of me just a'hangin around!"

Comedians would be having a field day with the clones concept, internet reactionaries would goof all day all night on the concept. And the general perception of CLONES is no longer BOYS FROM BRAZIL menace, but well... a sheep. So George needed to come up with a title that instantly redefines what it is his clones do that Dolly the Sheep doesn't. These clones attack.

ATTACK OF THE CLONES is actually quite heartening for me, there was a part of me that kept thinking about George Lucas' promise that this chapter was an adult romance... I kept fearing the advent of "SPACE LOVE" as a title or THE RIBALD TALES OF THE JEDI or THE SEDUCTION OF ANAKIN. ATTACK OF THE CLONES means... CLONE WAR, it means badass battles, it means enough goofy trade agreements, it's time to kick ass.

When the press release that said:

"Harkens back to the sense of pure fun, imagination and excitement that characterized the classic movie serials and pulp space fantasy adventures that inspired the 'Star Wars' saga..."

...well, he's right. So many of us think of these chapter titles as being THE title. No, the title is STAR WARS... ATTACK OF THE CLONES is what this chapter is about. And frankly, it's a helluvalot better than non-stop robot fights. These clones aren't Dolly the sheep. These clones kill the Jedi, destroy the classic era of peace that has existed for quite some time. Clones mean blood and sadness and despair. Clones attack with no quarter, no mercy. ATTACK OF THE CLONES... Yeah, I can live with it. Why the hell not, the title makes me giggle and look forward to the film. Besides it pisses off so many, and that rules!

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  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I agree, Harry!

    by PixBits

    It makes sense to me. This is just a latter day serial spread over a few years. George is right.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:18 a.m. CST

    attack this.

    by xavier masterson

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:20 a.m. CST

    hmmm....

    by Sled-Head

    Well, that certainly helped me to see the light, so thanks. But I don't really care what the title is as long as the first scene goes something like this: Jar Jar Binks falls off cliff. Dies.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:20 a.m. CST

    The REAL title

    by Kane

    Episode Two: Poodown Letdown.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:21 a.m. CST

    interesting...

    by ewem

    I don't care what the thing is called at this point; just so long as it's good. I am first!!!!! ;-p

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:21 a.m. CST

    first

    by mwarman

    or not. guess I'll find out. Star Wars... whatever the name rules!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Thank you Harry, for the sane viewpoint

    by WorstBlankEver

    Now let the flurry of Harry-is-a-Lucas-apologist flames and SW:EP II title parodies commence.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:22 a.m. CST

    CORRECTION

    by Kane

    Important correction. That was supposed to be POODOO LETDOWN

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Send in the Clones

    by DrVital

    Harry. I think you have your heart in the right place, as does Mr. Lucas. But at the end of the day should silliness rule over science fiction? Should it be in the title? Much like the concept of Cloning itself science fiction has been redefined, in no small part due to Mr. Lucas original accomplishments back in age when serious science fiction involved songs by Joan Baez. (See Silent Running) It's obvious now that the Star Wars that I loved. The noir pulp edge that darkened the corners of the universe for the first two films is now gone forever. From here on in it's Ewoks and Jar Jar, and like many talk back posters have said time and time again, I'm going to have to "just get over it." The Star Wars I want ain't ever going to happen. At least I've got Farscape, and the Matrix, Babylon 5, and Cowboy Bebop. And I can be very happy with all that.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:23 a.m. CST

    I think it sucks

    by MasterOfPuppets

    "Attack of the Clones" sounds like some dipshit in highschool dressed his friends up in Nixon masks and filmed them beating up girls with baseball bats.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Right on Harry

    by KAmnell

    Don't know if I truly like the title, but I guess it fits the serial motif. Hoping for something a little more deep and layered like Phantom Menace but oh well. It's slowly growing on me...like a cancer :)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Who Cares as long and the Movie works

    by Brad UK

    What really is a title? Something intriguing? Something that makes you wonder? As an independant Film maker in the UK, my company spent over

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Huh Huh, poodoo

    by LANDO

    Poodoo Letdown, how apt. Isn't that what Jar-Jar stepped in during the first train-wreck, I mean movie?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Well...

    by V

    titles won't be what makes or breaks the film for me, whether they're good, bad or indifferent. The truth of it is (being the Empire fan that I am) since this film has to be a little bit darker in tone than the last, leading to what's gonna have to be a real "ends on such a downer" (thanks, Kev Smith) I'll be a happy chappy. It's Star Wars. Nuff said :)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Boba Fetts

    by Head Honcho

    Liking the name, very "retro". It reeks of Georgie and his love of old serials. I agree with Harry that it's very amusing that ALREADY so many people are pissed off about the title like it's some kind of personal attack. Take a puck sized valium and concern yourself with something other than "artificial" problems. Enjoy the films for what they are, please. :-)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Oh come on...

    by vertigo93

    DrViital - did you really come out of the first movies as a kid all those years ago, stroking your chin and saying "mmm... that film had a noir pulp edge that darkened the corners of the universe"? Course not - you came out in wide eyes wonderment of all the spaceships, lightsabres and cool laser thingies. Star Wars is, and always has been, for kids - we just grew up not wanting to let it go. Let kids have these movies now, and enjoy them for what they are rather than lambast Lucas for somehow destroying your childhood. As you say, get over it. It's a franchise and kids will love it just like we loved the original. Sit back and enjoy the big, dumb fun.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Yawwwwnnnnnn

    by notageek

    Another silly title for a film I predict will be just as vacant as "The phantom mencace: The prettiest worst movie you've ever seen." The original three were awesome...in the many years since, Lucas has changed. He is not the same man as who was responsible for the original three. The sensibilities and passion that birthed the originals are absent now. I will not stand in line for 6 hours to see this one like I did when I got caught up in the hype of the first one. The last STAR WARS film was "Return of the Jedi." This new stuff is something else entirely, and you're welcome to it. I think the film that we should all really be getting excited about is coming in December and it is called "Lord of the Rings." A film made with passion from a man who has yet to become detatched and distant from his own artistic voice.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:40 a.m. CST

    to clone or not to clone...that is the question...

    by exador

    My first reaction to the title was pretty much the same as the big guy's....laughter......but after some time to think about it ...i agree that it does seem to fit into the ridiculous names they've chosen.....i love the others....but that's primarily due to the fact that I've grown up with them and gotten used to them....as a kid, 'Star wars meant something to me....but "a new hope?...c'mon...i had no idea at the age of 6 what the fuck that meant....so now we have attack of the clones....sort of seems goofy to me...a little too much like attack of the clowns...but hey...give it time...let's see what it turns out to be like....maybe the posters will be sooooo cooool that the title will gain some kind of understanding and acceptance.....or maybe George is so way out of his fucking mind that it won't really matter one way or the other....either way...i think this should be a fun movie to see.....and just to spark a wee bit of fanboy menace...or what ever....i really think this movie has to have the same balls as empire strikes back...because he has ALOT to make up for from Phantom....that movie was not NEARLY as good as it should have been...and I'm tryin my hardest to get a copy of the Phantom edit...so if any of you guy's know of a source for the superior version let me know..... cheers y'all.....

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:41 a.m. CST

    I agree and....

    by The Lorax

    ...I actually like "Attack of the Clones" more than "The Phantom Menace." I just hope Lucas has learned from his Ep.I mistakes and will deliver a masterpiece that will rival "Empire." (Hey, I can dream.)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:43 a.m. CST

    There, Mike8052...

    by crow t. robot

    ...That's what I was trying to say...and no NP, either...it works, and it's gonna be great, and Empire Strikes Back is a stupid title, but it still works, and it doesn't have to be called "Fellowship of the Jedi" or "Lost in Coruscant" to be a great movie. I'm right. I will be vindicated.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:43 a.m. CST

    RELAX folks. Keep telling yourselfs "it's just a movie".

    by Kung-Fu-Hippie

    You guys NEED to relax. I have been silently reading these "talk backs" for several years and this is my first post. After seeing yesterdays reaction to the title - man. The title is not the best but my God - is anything worth these knee jerk, vicious reactions? I LOVE these movies - any one who knows me personally knows that. But some of these responses make me not want to have anything to do with them. And it has nothing to do with Jar Jar - it's hateful, MEAN spirited "fan-boys" that make me not want to be associated with Star Wars anymore. I think Harry is absolutely correct with his assesment of the title. While it's a little goofy, it still works. And I think he's right in avoiding Star Wars posts for the time being. I just don't understand the animosity.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Oh well

    by emplord

    I was hoping for something that sounded a bit more clever. Maybe even majestic. Instead, it's the flattest Star Wars title yet. It represents that Lucas remains out of touch and proud of it. I guess I respect that. But after reading the scriptment and hearing Episode 2's title, it's obvious that the TPM backlash has failed to light a fire under his ass. AOTC is shaping up to be the same disappointing Star Wars prduct that the Special Editions and TPM were. I actually find myself routing for it to "bomb" (less than 200 million) and force Lucas to rediscover what is and isn't cool. It's probably too late, though. This new and last Star Wars trilogy is almost over. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:51 a.m. CST

    The Devil Subscribes to MAXIM

    by YuzzumPirate

    When I first heard the title I laughed too; it was a good laugh ; a happy laugh. "Attack of the Clones" is wonderful...Mr. Lucas made the RIGHT decision. You know people now-a-days are always talking about "not conforming" and maintaining their integrity; now I see why this is so difficult. Instead of catering to the latest hip trends; Mr. Lucas has simply stuck to the plan. What a breath of fresh air. For him to stand up to the face of "COOL" (whatever bullshit that is or means) is an absolute act of heroism in this "be hip or die" culture we live in. I imagine the devil is a very cool guy; very hip; probably has a subscription to MAXIM. ----Uncool

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Episode II: ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES!!!

    by Coswald

    Wow. The Star Wars titles went from pretentious to lowbrow in only two years. I remember my reaction to "The Phantom Menace" announcement as being sort of head-scratching, but this one just made my face numb. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see- maybe the title is meant to disarm our sensibilities so we won't EXPECT a good movie, then we'll all be pleasantly surprised when we get one. But somehow I think that would have required much more thought...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Thank God for Harry

    by Lord_ruthven_00

    When I first saw the SW EP2 title I'll admit that I laughed pretty heartily then said, Oky what's the real title? But after hearing Harry's take, I'll have to agree one more time...He's right...It's a lot better that Anakin Gets It On or A New Suit For 3-P0.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Stroking the Chin of Darkness

    by DrVital

    vertigo93: "DrViital - did you really come out of the first movies as a kid all those years ago, stroking your chin and saying "mmm... that film had a noir pulp edge that darkened the corners of the universe"? " Well, no, not exactly. But I do remember my favorite parts of the film being the trash compactor scene, where we though our here might be gone forever. The scene where Luke discovers his Uncle and Aunt are dead, and that he has no life left to return to. The floating black ball, loaded with needles, as the interrogation is going to begin. And then the ending, where Han Solo, after denying he had any motivation but money, proved to us that no matter what came out of his mouth, his actions spoke louder than words. Han became a real hero in my eyes at that moment. That was real wonder. I can remember the feeling that when I grew up that I could be half the man that this guy was. Show me a moment as good, as uplifting, or as human as that one anywhere in Phantom.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Send in the Clones Theme song

    by Juggernaut125

    (to the tune of send in the clowns). Isn't it rich? Are we a pair? Me with my Empire to run. And you with blond hair. Send in the clones. Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve? I've mastered the ways of the Sith, And Obi's a boob. Where are the clones? Send in the clones. Just when I stopped the trade with Naboo. Discovered the one that I wanted was you. Making your entrance each time with your John Williams flair. Come join the Darkside. 'Cause Jedis are squares. Don't you love the Force? Release your anger and fear. Feel the attraction of Darkness. How's 'bout a beer? But where are the clones? Send in the clones. Can't wait 'til next year. Thank you. Thank you very much.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:58 a.m. CST

    You're all still wrong

    by Rocker Doctor

    Check out the website again, or Film Jerk to find out why all of you are wrong.....

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7 a.m. CST

    Kung-Fu-Hippie

    by Coswald

    Kung-Fu, if everybody RELAXED, then there would be no talk back. I mean, isn't gut reaction and emotional/intellectual response the point of being right here on this section of this web page?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:01 a.m. CST

    In other words...If I trash this movie they won't let me into th

    by superhero

    UGH. I didn't think it was at all possible to be any more unexcited about this flick than I was before. What an awful title. UGH.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Oh So Predictible

    by godaikin

    Harry's response to this news was easy to see coming and complete BS as well. I'm sorry, but "Attack of the clones" is a sorry excuse for a name anyway you slice it. Any one of the other serial names Harry listed sounds better. Just because it needs a serial title doesnt mean it has to be a piss poor one. I can see the excuses piling up already.. "yah well a new hope, empire strikes back, rotj, those are all cheesy serial titles too" BS.. they are serial titles true enough, but they didnt evoke laughter and an immediate "WTF???" from everyone the first time they were uttered. "well, you are just used to hearing them..." again I say BS.. Sorry, but the title sucks and thats that. Even Harry said the first thing he did was laugh when he heard it. I'm not getting behind Lucas on this one, the man is completely senile at this point. And the reactions of the fanboys with their heads buried up Lucas's ass? Typical...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Y'Know Harry, I had my serious doubts about the title, but now I

    by Uncle Jay

    I have been a huge Star Wars fan since A New Hope was released in '77, I was 4. I have personal love for Star Wars and it is the coolest science fiction story of ALL time. Now, when I first heard that Episode I was to be titled "The Phantom Menace", I was disappointed, I guess I liked "The Balance of the Force" way too much and got my hopes up. The title did grow on me and now I love it, for it made sense for his first installment. When I first heard "Attack of the Clones", my instant feeling was a bit disturbing in a bad way. I thought the title was a bit half-witted, uncreative and too easy, I guess I had my hopes for "Rise of the Empire" or "The Clone Wars" to high. Now that I read Harry's review and a few others and visioning the trailer with the title, I see the light. The title is really not that bad!! Actually, It's kind of cool. I guess I needed to sleep on it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:02 a.m. CST

    "Besides it pisses off so many, and that rules!"

    by The Gline

    So by that nature, if I were to smash up your car because it pissed you off, would that also rule? Nice logic.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: The Clone Wars

    by Krysten

    Better? I think so. Except that probably the movie won't be long enough to encompass all of the clone wars... how about "Death of the Jedi" or "Fall of the Jedi"- those have a neat sort of ring to them because later on of course you have "Return of the Jedi". Yeah, I like that much better. In fact I think there are lots of names I'd like much better than "Attack of the Clones" which is to me just too reminicent of Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and suddenly I'm picturing a lot of little red bouncing agricultural experiments with Lightsabers.... I see what you mean about the laughing...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Of course that's what the internet press release says

    by JonQuixote

    As if they'd write something like, "another inane piece of crap that gives bad dialogue to good actors, while pushing the boundaries of F/X technology and insulting the intelligence of the audience, not that it matters, because the fans are so devoted I could wipe my ass on a few thousand feet of celluloid, give it a Star Wars title, and have legions of nostalgic fans lining up around the block. Oops, I guess I just blew a major Episode Three spoiler." If I remember correct, The Phantom Menace was supposed to invoke the spirit of fun, trashy serials too...and instead we got an 8 year old destroying a massive warship, Jar Jar Binks in every second scene, and the most expensive two-hour video game commercial ever.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:09 a.m. CST

    it doesn't f****** matter

    by cuevas

    As long as Lucas doesn't avoid conflict as in Episode I (plastic battles) everything fine. CUEVAS, SANTIAGO DE CHILE

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:09 a.m. CST

    That midichlorian bullshit

    by p0rkzer

    So here we go: Georgie-boy uses a 'hi-tech' seventies sci-fi phrase(the clone wars), using a term which he (and virtually everyone else around at the time) knew nothing about in his first SW movie. It just kinda sounded cool, you know? The phenomenon grows way beyond anything he intended, so he now has to squeeze cloning into the prequels in any way he can. Hence all that midichlorian bollocks in TPM. Come Episode II and the jedis are getting massacred, so guess what? The jedi council (no doubt urged on by Christopher Lee and Iain McDiarmid) say "Hey guys - we can just clone more jedis. It's just midichlorians after all". Then we get the baddies subverting the cloned jedis and the collapse of the republic. Cue the traditional 'technology will be the end of us all' message and a realisation that the Force is actually a spiritual force after all. Hence not so much as a mention of midichlorians in the first three films. Oh - and you can bet that stormtroopers turn out to be cloned replacements for their hopelessley unreliable battle droids. Where did they get those things anyway? Russia? To steal a line from the late, great Bill Hicks "I can get harder shit than that on the streets of New York"...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:09 a.m. CST

    I'm as mad as hell...and I'm not gonna take it ANYMORE!

    by MOMERATH

    See this movie. I can't stop you. Whatever you do, see it...but PLEASE don't PAY for it. Buy a ticket to another movie and sneak into this one. That way, some other movie gets the box office business it deserves and this drivel can go fuck itself. Satisfy your morbid curosity and support good movie-making by refusing this movie any box office bucks! Boycott this movie! We are Lucas's whores no longer!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Thanks Juggernaut125

    by Geekgrrl

    For giving lyrics to the song that's been ringing in my head since yesterday. That was a riot. :-)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Weekend at Bernies 3: Attack of the Clones

    by Dataset

    We can't change it, no matter how hard we try, and we're all going to see it anyway, no matter how much we hated Ishtar: The Phantom Menace.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Sorry but even Ewan Mcgregor

    by spike fan

    Has come out and said that this is an awful title.If one of the shows actors is saying this that is saying something. Sorry people but that Title is pretty crap and no there is not a hidden metaphor or meaning behind it as some Lucas worshippers think. It is just a sign that Lucas has really lost it and that his yes men will not dare stand up to him. I will still go an see it but it sure as hell will not be my first priority. Hell George instead of looking at his profit margins should ask Joss Whedon for advice. There is guy who knows how to do a franchise without turning it crap.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:14 a.m. CST

    RIGHT ON

    by THE PROFESSOR

    i think its a good choice for george l.it gets straight to the point

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:14 a.m. CST

    I agree with you 100% Harry

    by Scaught

    I'm glad you like the title too Harry. Star Wars is and will always be a series of great space adventures! There are so many people out there on the Intranet that have been trashing the title the second they heard it. Is there a title that those people would be satisfied with (besides "Jar-Jar's Fiery Death"), I think not!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Has anyone considered???

    by The Llama

    I just finished reading through all the postings, and I'm surprised this is the first one to suggest the following--what if this is a dupe? If it IS the real title, well, then I'll either have to learn to deal with it or just think it's terrible (although, I do have to admit that it fits nicely with the chapter titles of the other four). But Lucas is NOTORIOUS for disinformation, people. Isn't it possible that this is something he put out there to watch everyone freak out and run around? It might well be the real title, but if it's not, I won't be surprised. Here are two interesting facts to throw out there, regardless. 1. If you go to starwars.com, you'll notice that when you move your mouse over the links to choose which episode you want to go to, all of their names pop up, but the number "II" will just say "Episode II." On any other website, that might just mean they hadn't caught up to that detail yet. But I wonder if on a website that receives as much attention (both from surfers and webmasters) as starwars.com, that little omission isn't a terribly large clue. 2. Some of you already know this, but the title of Episode VI right up until the last days before opening was REVENGE of the Jedi. In fact, posters were even made up and sent out to theaters with that title--one of my theaters in Indy still has it hanging on the wall. Just because he's using that as a title NOW in no way means that will still be the title next summer. This is a year before the movie, and I'M convinced George is getting a kick out of playing headgames with us.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Well great Harry....

    by Jaka

    But why not just call it, The Clone Wars. It's a very established era in Star Wars history to anyone who has read the books or comics. And it sounds much cooler. I can live with Attack Of The Clones, but it doesn't have the punch of The Empire Strikes Back. Or even Return Of The Jedi.

  • Let's hope for a similar result regarding Episode II. I agree with some talkbacker valid points, i.e., these films are not the same as the "Star Wars" films of the original trilogy, a dignified titlt like "Death of the Jedi" would be more appropriate, Lucas is proud to be out-of-touch, etc. However, despite my misgivings on the casting of Anakin, I do feel this new film, based on the advanced word I've read, has the potential to far exceed "Menace". The key factor will be critics and the media. I predict they will be more sympathetic in their writings and talk on the new film, leading to increased public support for the movie, the public being the manipulated automatons that they are.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Lucas to 30 year olds who read comic books and worship Satan- SU

    by Shaft9876

    LOL This title kicks ass.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Dr Vital

    by vertigo93

    No, I can't find a moment like that in TPM - but my point is that I'm damn sure my 8 year old nephew can, and it'll stay with him into adulthood, just like those scenes do with you. Let the film belong to the generation they're aimed at - and keep your own memories of the original.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Maybe it's not as silly as you think

    by season

    My reaction to the title was much like Harry's. As a fan of the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers serials, I think the EpII title harkens back to those days of innocence and wonder captured so perfectly in the 1930's chapter plays. But one thing I noticed was how everyone thinks the title is so one-dimensional and has no double-meaning like "Return of the Jedi" or even "Empire." But what about this? What if Sidious and Palpatine aren't the same person like every thinks they are? What if they are clones? Instead of one villian, we've got two. THEY are the ones attacking, not just the clone army. It could happen.

  • Half of those serial titles that Harry listed aren't half as bad as starting the title out with "Attack of the". It's even worse that it has to emphasize clones. Understandable that the story involves clones, sure, but the whole saga itself is based on the life of Anakin, Luke, the Jedi, and the Empire. The titles up to this point have reflected as such, but with "Attack of the Clones" Lucas has taken a sudden sharp left and veered off course. Who cares if serials like Flash Gordon\Buck Rodgers\whatever inspired Star Wars? The title shouldn't reflect any homage to the movies of the past ... it should reflect the story in Star Wars, and if it reflects any other movies, it should be the four that have come before it. Which is why a title like "Fall of the Jedi" or something similar would have been more appropriate. Of course this movie's still going to rake in the cash, but with a name so emphasizing clones, which Harry admits is a "silly" notion to most people, then all it aims to do is make people think of the title as "silly". Which in turn makes them think the movie is going to be "silly". I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the regular, movie-going public (NOT the rabid fans), especially the ones who disliked what Phantom Menace did, turn their noses up this time and decide not to go ... or at least to wait for video.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:41 a.m. CST

    My rant and rave

    by Dark Vengeance

    Ok here's my thoughts ont he subject. The Star Wars franchise belongs and ha been dreamt by George Lucas. It is his movie and he can call it whatever he wants. Why is there so much backlash? if it's your movie feel free to call it whatever you want, but also remember to put yourself in Lucas shoes. Someone somewhere is going to disapprove of your title or your movie, and so what that's their opinion. I'll admit I'm a fan of the Phantom Menace, and I have no beef against Jar Jar. Yeah I think he can get a little annoying, but hey there are people in this world that get on my nerves even more then the clumsy Gungan. It took me along time to realize that everyone has their opinion about the movie, some express it more then others, -- as one can see with the many conversations about Star Wars on this board. If someone thinks that they can achieve the status of making a movie franchise as big and powerful as George's do so by all means, and you have my blessing. Let us not forget however that these movies belong to George Lucas they have always been his vision, and never that of the fans.

  • "These Clones kill the Jedi, destroy the classic era of peace that has existed for quite some time. Clones mean blood and sadness and despair. Clones attack with no quarter, no mercy. ATTACK OF THE CLONES..." Harry obviously doesn't know much about Ep II's plot. This title actually doesn't make much sense if you consider that the clones are commssioned to fight alongside the Jedi.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:41 a.m. CST

    2 years in the making, and this weak ass title is the best Lucas

    by XTheCrovvX

    Let me get this out the way first....im not a total Star Wars fanboy geek like some people...i dont hold the original 3 on some elitist pedestal, though i do enjoy them a lot, read every piece of hacked out fanboy novel just to stay in the loop, and yes, i happen to very much like Phantom Menace, and yes, may Jar Jar Binks be raped by a crippled penguin...this being said, as it stands now, i fucking hate this title....not dislike..HATE...now, i dont have any doubts whatsoever that the movie is gonna be kick ass(though, i still wait with baited breath for Ep 3, if Lucas holds true to his promise to make Ep. 3 dark as all hell), but while some of you recalled the serials of old, and how they were title rather stupidly, i recalled something else...a Simpsons episode...see, theres this episode where the entire town of Springfield was encouraged to make a short film for a local festival, with Jay "The Critic" Sherman as a judge....now, the big winner of the festival was Barney Gumble's...it was a dramatic, realistic documentary on the life of a drunkard, told through his eyes, directed excellently....not a dry eye in the house...and what was the title? "Puke-a-hontas"!!!!See, my point is this...the title isnt the whole movie...but its part of a whole....it CAN hurt your overall outlook on the movie...can you imagine how you'd view Boogie Nights if it was called "Dirk Diggler's Danglin' Dick"?? Sure, the title applies, but its fuckin' retarded!! Or if A.I. was called "Lure of the Blue Fairy" or some shit?? The Matrix? NAW! How's about Kung-Fu Computer Crackers?! YEAH! Fight Club?? NO WAY!! What about Jack's Ragin' Rectal Cavity?! Raging Bull, 2001, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? HA!! Boxin' Guido, Mystery of the Monolith, Welcome Home Sanitarium!!!! Deal with THAT SHIT!! Get my point? Oh, wait, i see this coming...someones gonna give the point that Star Wars is a space fantasy, shouldnt be taken so seriously...BULL....look at the other films in the series for fuck's sake? I LOVE the title Phantom Menace, because despite what many thought of the film as a whole, the title fits...hell, more accurately, there are MANY Phantom Menaces in the film...the title lends to that, just the right amount of mystery to bring that air of "shit, whats happening here?" to the more serious parts of the movie...some obvious(Anakin becomes Vader), some not so obvious to casual fans(Palpatine becomes Emperor)....A New Hope works in the same way....Empire Strikes Back is rather straightforward, Return of the Jedi rather blows the end result, but you dont know that going in...those films werent exactly totally serious either, but the titles were, dammit! Attack of the Clones, i think, sounds more like some crap you'd fall asleep on the couch watching at 2 am, with some blonde, big tits, no brain bimbo in a pink blouse screaming her head off when her boyfriend turns out to be a homicidal alien with an overbite...its not the kind of title i'd expect from a series like this, especially one that i assume is about to take a nice serious dark turn...but, stil, i reiterate...i dont pass judgment on the film because of this...my point is it hurts the credibility a little...let the flaming commence...Revolution is my name....or should it be "Anarchy is my handle, baby!!"

  • The Shadow Falls is genius next to this hackneyed title. My favorite fake title was Veil of the Sith.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Monty Python

    by bongjuice

    Now all I can imagine is Dolly the sheep attacking the Star Wars Universe, or is that a mutant Star Goat.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Oops.

    by The Llama

    Yeah, you're right. I didn't mean two confuse two different points. I was just trying to suggest, on one hand, that he IS famous for disinformation and playing games with the fans. As far as the ROTJ title change goes, I know THAT wasn't intentional disinformation. Just George realizing Jedi aren't supposed to be about revenge (thanks to his fans). But it DOES show that he has been known to change a title before release date.

  • The Shadow Falls is genius next to this hackneyed title. My favorite fake title was Veil of the Sith.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Concept of Clones is goofy?

    by soylentphil

    Harry - what the fuck? Most people find the idea anywhere from mildly horrifying to, well, totally horrifying. Not sure what zip code thinks of real-life clones as "silly".

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Further thoughts on Ep. II. (and one nagging question)

    by rabid_republican

    Harry remains an optimist, that much is certain. I certainly do agree that SW is very much a trademark sci-fi serial of "goofiness", but this belies one small point: Clones are supposed to be sinister. They snuff out the Jedi. Their genesis aids in the gestation of the Empire. That's why fans are little put out. Sure, Star Wars has a goofy factor in its comic relief...but in its title, featuring villians who are perhaps to be the most feared? I am Rabid Republican and this has been a public service announcement.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Hopefully they'll clone Jar Jar...

    by Hjermsted

    I sure hope they clone that Jar Jar Bitch. He was funny as hell. Two Jar Jars would be a LAUGH RIOT. --------- Seriously, though: Perhaps in "Attack of the Clones" Lucas will put the Science back in his fiction. I've always felt the Star Wars saga was fantasy and not sci fi, which wasn't a problem until it took over a decade for "The Man" to get back to this series. By then, sci fi had evolved in leaps and bounds, but Lucas was stuck in the early '80s era of the genre. Episode I was nothing more than sugery cereal with great special effects. Did anyone notice how un-scarring little Annakin's "slavery" was? C'mon! If this kid is supposed to become Vader he needs to be abused, severly! No one who grows up well adjusted and content turns out THAT evil! Anyway, I'm rambling now. Don't confuse Lucas with genius.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:53 a.m. CST

    The Wacky Tomfoolery and Hilarious Shenanigans of those Naughty

    by Mac an Cheanna

    Lucas should have called the movie: "The Wacky Tomfoolery and Hilarious Shenanigans of those Naughty Clones!". (note exclamation mark for emphasis) Maybe the name "Attack of The Clones" is a deliberate attempt to make the movie sound really childish so as to LOWER our expectations so that if we go in expecting the WORST, then ANYTHING (even a mediocre movie) will be better. POSSIBLE SPOILER?: Episode 2 will almost certainly end with the revelation that Anakin has been cloned and Queen Amidala will have a gun in her hand unsure of which Anakin to shoot. "I'm the real Anakin!" "No, I am!" they will argue. That climax would be so unoriginal that I'm sure Lucas will be unable to resist it. I can't wait for Episode 3: The Delightful Misadventures of Jar-Jar and Friends. That'll be sweeet!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Wow, I agree with Harry

    by Kikstad

    Right on, Mr. Knowles! Long live the Jedi! Can't wait for ATTACK OF THE CLONES!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8 a.m. CST

    "Classic Serial"? Whadthefu..?

    by jazzuk

    I see how the classic serials can go some way toward explaining the silliness of "Attack of the Clones". But, here's the problem: "Flash Gordon: Battle with the Sea Beast" That was chapter 4 you notice (from HK's list) - we no doubt have been introduced to the sea beast in chapters 1 - 3. But where the heck did these "clones" come from that are suddenly attacking in SW2? Those serials my have been production line pulp, but they did at least acknowledge proper story telling. Georgey Boy seems to have forgotten that he's making these films backwards - he has taken our knowledge of Clones and The Clone Wars for granted. Big mistake IMHO. If we really must have clones int he title, perhaps "Star Wars Episode 2: Hey everyone, come meet the Clones" would have been more appropriate. But here's another problem: Clones DON'T attack. Clones surely are cannon fodder - they are not the decision makers in this war business. They are manufactured to do a job, to do as they are told. This isn't "AI", so there is not going to be any exploration of the rights of Clones - this is a SF fantasy where clones are military units, manufactured and deployed to order. And even if clones do attack, that is going to be one or maybe two battle sequences in the entire piece. Any attack (or attacks) will be point events in the story told by the episode. "Attack of the Clones"? Phooey! How about "The Senate is Betrayed". I'm just guessing, but I reckon this pretty much sums up the overall events of Episode 2.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:02 a.m. CST

    You guys are insane!!

    by gboybama

    George Lucas could take a dump on a plate and y'all would eat it up like it's filet mignon.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Attack of the CLONES

    by BOXington

    Having spoken to my gay friends, I reckon this film now sounds like a camp slapstic movie, a la St. Trinians with queens in it! Full-on leather-boys in chaps and caps, short hair and long handle-bar moustaches mincing around on poppers, attacking Obi Wan with their throbbing sabres...just like Flash Gordon really. And this film is going to make Hayden a gay icon.

  • I admit that I was young when the originals came out and so my opinion of the individual titles will never escape the filter of childhood and nostalgia. I wasn't too thrilled with The Phantom Menace as the title for Episode One. Yes, I wanted something more epic, and ironically when I saw the movie I wanted something more intimate and less crowded. I wanted to know Anakin and Obi Wan the way I knew Luke and Han at the end of A New Hope. I wanted to know Amidala and Qui Gon better than I did. I wanted to have a real reasons to hate Darth Maul when he first showed up. Vader came in and choked a guy, then he threatened the Princess as she wore virginal white and he stabbed his black-gloved finger at her and then let's not forget the "Let's discuss your hidden rebel base" scene shot like a rape--complete with the Freudian needle droid--and all before half way through the movie! Okay, you get my point. Anyway, back to the title. I wasn't too impressed with Phantom Menace as the first episode's title because, like everyone else, I wanted a real epic name like Return of the Jedi had been. But epic as that title was, it didn't make the movie a great finale to the saga, nor did having a common title ruin Episode One. In the end, I decided that my opinion of the Chapter Title was unimportant because the episode's content was what really mattered. If I heard the Empire Strikes Back today for the first time, I'd probably say "what an unimaginative title! It sounds like stage direction! What happens: the Empire, it strikes back." But of course the movie itself surpassed such anal criticism, and now I think it's the best title it could have been. The Empire Stikes Back... AND HOW! If that big line didn't knock you on your ass then nothing will! So what I'm trying to say in the most verbose way I can is that I'm not nuts over this title, but it doesn't mean I won't like the movie. Based on the reactions to the title, a lot of people were hoping the title would decide for them if they would like the movie. I think by now it's no good to try and peak ahead to tell you how that theatrical experience is going to go. I doubt it will or can do anything to help the rather nasty climate of SW fandom regarding the prequels. It seems to me we've entered into a period where many fans derive more fun by berating what they proclaim to love. Sure you can criticize something and still be a fan of it, but think about it first before you pollute us with more negativity (oy vey, that sounds like a group thereapy expression). So we have our E2 title maybe--afterall E1 didn't have a final title until much closer to release than this--but it's nothing to wet our pants over. Maybe we should grow up and think of that as a good thing. I know I will.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:17 a.m. CST

    LOL

    by Monkey Lord

    'Attack of the Clones', eh? LOL... Well, that's what we get I suppose. It might still be good. Oh well. Lord of the Rings, you are my bastion of hope. :)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:17 a.m. CST

    EPISODE II: MARS ATTACKS?

    by Empyreal

    Little does anyone know, but Lucas has actually signed on Tim Burton as director after his brilliant science fiction adventure, Mars Attacks, based on that same god-awful sci fi serial crap in the 50's. Don't get me wrong, I love Burton, but STAR WARS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CAMP! That's why we have SPACEBALLS. Jesus, Lucas! The first three episodes have the plot arc of a classic tragedy! It's your own damn story, and you can't even see that? I thought for certain that Episode I was going for a Ben-Hur / biblical-era type image, to give this trilogy a flavor of Greek tragedy. Seriously, check the art direction.... But the only tragedy in "Attack of the Clones" would be if he actually used that title and turned Episode II, what could be an awesome love story set in a world that is beginning to fall apart, into a rip-roarin hoot of a good ol time shootin them thar invading clones. If this is anything more than a hoax, there is no god.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Lucas-Master of the title

    by cakupavo

    I agree with you Harry.The title is STAR WARS. Each segment title just gives you an idea whats going on. I'm sure some so called fans will have their arse in their hands saying this title doesn't fit with the whole ethos of STAR WARS but i'm sure they are the same people who said the same thing about PHANTOM MENACE but have got used to that now. Keep it up Sir George and roll on Summer 2002

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:21 a.m. CST

    The Anal-Bleeders Run Screaming For the Hills Like Little Girls

    by Shaft9876

    Harry's right for once.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Star Wars 2: Electric Boogaloo

    by Frackman

    A friend of mine emailed the "Clone" title to me, and I assumed he was joking. I guess that's what I get for making an ASSumption! This is depressing. After the disaster that is TPM, I had hoped maybe Lucas remembered what it was to be a filmmaker, but this new title instills me with a sense of dread. These new SW movies must take place in an alternate universe. It is remarkable to compare how far Steven Spielberg has come as a filmmaker compared to this clone of a former director.

  • Hell,I'm glad that the 'attack of the clones' is what the movies main crux is about, I could prance around the room like a schoolgirl in playful glee. But that doesnt stop the title from SUCKING MAJOR ASS (recently promoted from general)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:27 a.m. CST

    STAR WARS II: BATTLE OF THE SHEEP

    by ryan mecum

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones

    by Creep Factory

    People hate it because it is un-anime, it is un-limp bizkit, it is un-rap. It is everything you all hate; fun, to the point, non-egghead film nerd! If it is for the sake of going back to the feel of adventure, excitement,... I crave those things! Phantom Menace was at the most charitable review uneven, I agree, but come on, it was still worth watching and had it's moments. I really believe the name is to CAUSE discussion and controversy, look at us, we are all aghast and arguing. "Any Publicity is Good Publicity" You don't see us all ranting about a Rush Hour 2 or Jurassic Park 3. I think Attack of the Clones is fun, all you fans that dress up like boba fett and wookies need to move on, enjoy a movie like Star Wars, but for god sakes get a date once in a while and stop obsessing over every facet of these movies!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I agree w/ Harry

    by SMish21

    Until I read Harry's thoughts i agreed it wwas so stupid of a title I thought "the Clone Wars" was better... but now I think maybe ATtack of the Clones isn't that bad.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:33 a.m. CST

    PLUS....

    by Eraser

    I can just see that when all of the new Episodes have been released, everyone will comment on how the concept was misguided, how rather than taint the original trilogy, things should have just been left as is. Let the Novels, Graphic Novels, Comics and such tell the story outside of the original trilogy. I, like most people, was sooo excited when the first Episodes went ahead, but there was just that embarassed silence when TPM had ended, and I wish they hadnt of bothered. Quick, George, while you still can, relegate TPM to the Christmas Special status, get rid of the copies, pretend it doesnt exist, relegate it to a nothing, don't release Episode 2, and lets pretend that the original trilogy is all it will ever be, and rejoice in that fact. Thats it, TPM never happened, in fact, The Phantom what?.....

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Toy Story

    by Monkey Lover

    There... Toy Story is an example of a great film with a cack title. Like, if Saving Private Ryan was named by the same method it'd have been called Soldier Story. Or The Terminator, Robot Story. Y'see? However, the film Toy Story rules supremely and is a classic. Therefore, when I see the name Toy Story written, I don't shudder and think, "Aaaww, shit! It's got a crap title!" I instead think, "What a damn fine classic film." So titles are irrelevant to the finished film. So shut up if you don't like it. No-one cares.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:46 a.m. CST

    KILLER CLONES FROM OUTER SPACE!

    by Portnoy

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Monkey Lover

    ... hahah, look at the name of one of the characters: Elian Sleazebaggano. Ha.... and besides, names like Chewbacca are stupid if you think about them enough. Harry is right, just accept that Star Wars is a big, dumb, daft piece of entertainment, and so Attack of the Clones sounds fine.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:48 a.m. CST

    The title is fine, and this is why...

    by 1derWoman

    This does have everything to do with the saga, not a departure from it. Clones are not simply inert beings that wait for direction. We have seen in the news, spoiler pictures and releases that Jango Fett is the "father" of Boba Fett, knowing th Boba is a clone of Jango simply raised as a son. He is like his "father". He goes on to do the same things his father does, with some of the same flair, but different at the same time. We'll have to see Jango in action to know for sure, but I bet everyone will be pleased with Jango. I'm sure Boba develops his own style to do the job, as well. Yes, it was probably on the direction of the Empire, but duh. Tons of others worked on the directives provided by the Empire. Vader did. Many times Vader acted more like a lackey robot to the Emporer than an individual - mostly because of loyalty to his master (surely you know how jedi's view their masters). Most people are basing their opinions on the idiocy of the Storm Troopers. Remember that not all of them were complete baffoons. It *is* possible, within the Star Wars universe, to create a jedi thru cloning. It was done in one of the series of the books. Well, one was found that had been created by the Empire and hidden away on a planet, and subsequently became not unlike a ruler. Luke finds him and well, you have to find and read it to find out cuz i'm not spoiling that for anyone. It's worthy. The point is cloning a Jedi ~*CAN*~ happen. The Empire does hunt down and kill almost all the jedi... all they can find. That's why Luke and Leia were split up and hidden, if you will be so kind as to remember. Luke eventually trapses all around the universe trying to pick up the strands of these lost lineages and once again put together the order of the Jedi. The clone wars are the beginning of this dark time for the Jedi. I, personally, will be paying very close attention to the details of the battles, the techniques which are used in the cloning to compare with what I've read of the destruction of the Jedi "nation". The clone war must be done. MUST! Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fanatic on the subject, but it makes perfect sense. It could have been phrased better, but it'll do just fine to call it Attack of the Clones. It is an event of massive influence on the future. Do you remember why Luke went to Yoda? Not just because Ben told him to. Yoda was the last, other than Vader and the Emporer - vader wasn't an option and the Emporer certainly wasn't either. The choice for Light or Dark side is the free choice of the individual jedi. With either of those too spacey goths it wouldn't have been a free choice... it's a "do it or die" sorta thing. I don't believe Yoda would have stopped luke from chosing the dark side if he wanted.. he would have discouraged it, probably, but he would not have stopped him. It fulfilled the vision of Qui Gon. Anakin truly brought balance to the Force, thru Luke. Leia, too, in her own way. Leia is more pure in intent than Luke. Luke is the balance, the fulcrum, if you will. He has a little of each in him, dark and light. He has to, being the last of the Jedi and in picking up the lost lines of jedi across the universe. Lucas' title is just fine because it holds so much hope, so much promise. He will give us what we want. Stop looking for things to bitch about. There is so much more for you to bitch about in other parts of the world, why waste your time bitching about a movie title. My only question is how was Palpatine seduced to the dark side? What sparked the shunning of the Light? Wiping out the Jedi was a personal vendetta, in my opinion. So what gives? There has got to be a reason and I want to know it, damnit! But the lesson to learn from this whole title issue is not "movie titles to NOT use" but fulfilling the promise and maintaining continuity within the universe you create for yourself. If you don't like it, you can only blame yourself for confining your own creativity. He (lucas) has no one to answer to but himself. Tell me you won't see this because you don't like the title the creator chose and I'll be more than happy to call you a liar to your face. :) Keep in mind the Empire does eventually win this round, but will lose overall. The movie will quite possibly leave lots of people disheartened. The Empire must rise to power before it can fall as it does in the three classics. Trust the Force, dude. It will all make sense in the end. It is worthy.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones = All hope lost!

    by Capt. Hilts

    I now have lost ALL hope that this movie is going to be any good. *sigh*

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Aren't we all missing a very big point?

    by JeffKatzNL

    Half of you are pissing and moaning and making comments like: "The Clones are barely in the movie!" "The Clones are on the side of the Jedi!" etc... Aren't we forgetting that not a single one of us HAS SEEN THE F'N MOVIE?!?!?!?!? Why not give George & Co. the benefit of the doubt and let them deliver us a finished project. Everyone involved (even Ewan) seems to have a positive vibe about this picture. So lets stop all the whining and just be patient for another 10 months. But hey, what do I know...I actually like the title.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:52 a.m. CST

    "Matrix: Reloaded" is sooo better...

    by skycrapper

    It's a title! Get a life you losers.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffer

    by Simname99

    When I first read the new title I just sat there. I did not like it, nor did I hate it. It was just there. As the day and night went on, I flipped it around in my head. The more I flipped it around, the more I liked it. Now I don't love it, but it works for me. It sounds fun. That is what I love about Star Wars, it is fun. Anyways, it does not matter what it was called. People would still love it...hate it...or not care. The people who love Star Wars will still go opening weekend to see it. The people that hate Star Wars will still bash it on the web. And one more thing, the worst new title is still held by The Matrix Reloaded. Bad title, but I will still see that on opening weekend too.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:57 a.m. CST

    SPACEBALLS 1/2: ATTACK OF THE PREQUEL

    by Dave2G

    WELL...the good news is that AOTC gives someone somewhere something to make fun of. We can undoubtedly EXPECT a prequel to SPACEBALLS. And I called it first! There will be a scene where Dolly the Sheep or no, an army of sheep attack the jedis...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:05 a.m. CST

    It can't be 'The Clone Wars'!

    by splat

    Because then it would be 'Star WARS: The Clone WARS'. WARS twice! Bad bad bad! I don't love 'Attack of the Clones' much, but then again, I thought 'Phantom Menace' was pretty dumb too at first. -Dan

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by Andrew

    ...and I'll say it again: The best part of THE PHANTOM MENACE was the FIGHT CLUB teaser. Lets just hope ATTACK OF THE CLONES has some kick-ass trailers.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Thank you Mr. Lucas!

    by Kafkan

    Personally, I'd have preferred "The Clone Wars" but I understand what George is doing, tipping his hat to the overwrought titles of Golden-Age serials. I suspect this title will grow on me the same way "The Phantom Menace" did. Besides, it's just such a joy to see him sending all the infantile fanboys into fits of apoplexy. I have never seen such a swarm of identical braying morons in my life... I think we're witnessing the "Attack of the Clones" right here on this board. I was wondering where Hollywood found the critical mass of imbeciles to make the Matrix such a big hit, now I know.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:06 a.m. CST

    If you think about it, The Empire Strikes Back is just as silly.

    by agentcooper

    ...I remember when I was 12 and heard that the new Star Wars movie was called The Empire Strikes Back, and thought, well, okay, but that's kinda dumb. Think about it. Both titles tell you exactly what happens. They are goofy. They are serial titles. I think we are taking the films a bit too seriously (I will readily admit that I do). The fact that the films play on the nature of good and evil so well does not change the fact that they are Lucas' tribute to the old adventure films he loved as a boy: Fun and swashbuckling adventures. Harry put the title in an excellent context.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:10 a.m. CST

    EP III: The Stem-Cell Research Menace

    by nitpick

    Far in the future, long after we have ceased to have a culture recognizable as one, The Star Wars franchise will devolve into nothing but a slow text crawl featuring the posts of fans with too much time on their hands and far too little insight. The Final Episode? Flame Wars: The Circle Jerk Continues.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:10 a.m. CST

    EP II- The Emperors New Clones

    by JAGUART

    As far as Attack of the Clones (or SW: AOTC as it will be now called and referred to in history and countless forums) I'm reserving judgment on this film until it comes out. But its gonna have to be pretty damned good to erase the previous abomination. God Bless Peter Jackson and LOTR.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:13 a.m. CST

    That's it!

    by GoBanana

    Until I read this Harry I was wavering on the title, albeit I was closer to liking than disliking. It was the next to last sentence in your write-up that struck me. When I hear the title I do smile and I do think fondly of the coming film. It harkens back to my boyhood. It makes me ... giggle? Yeah. I like it. Star Wars: Episode II 'Attack of the Clones'!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Attack of the Clones!!! Yeah, I like it...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:14 a.m. CST

    "Attack of the Clones" title is a TOTAL RED HERRING people!!

    by Bregalad_

    I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times..... the real title will be STAR WARS: EPISODE II, THE TWO TOWERS. Lucas ain't no fool! He knows the only way to make his film franchise successful is to continue his blatant ripping off of the original J.R.R. Tolkien trilogy. Just like he has been all along.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:17 a.m. CST

    It has been 24 minutes since I heard about HARRY KNOWLES WAKING

    by Regis Travolta

    Jesus Harry! To have to wake up to what sounds like some juvenile phony phone call! What a rude awakening! The title sucks compared to THE SHADOW FALLS or some of the other INTELLIGENT titles that have been bandied about on the web over the past year. I think jedi.net has an entire page of possible titles, some of them are brilliant, some even worse than Attack of the Clones! It's a shitty title because it's too plugged into current events of the moment, too many news stories about humans being cloned, I will bet you that Lucas just thought of this title over the weekend when he was reading the damn Drudge Report and all the stories relating to European couples making plans to volunteer for embryo cloning experiments, you can even go to drudgereport.com now and read one! Oh well, maybe episode 3 will have the really good title, Phantom Menace was also a terrible title and a terrible movie, those are my thoughts.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:23 a.m. CST

    The title blows Banthas.

    by Thavertop

    That does it, I'm going to become a trekie! Lucas is taking one of the best sci-fi titles ever made and screwing it up! "Attack of the clones" sounds like a bad 50's sci-fi B flick! Mark my words, Episode II will suck as much if not worse that Episode I. I pray that Lucas will prove me wrong, but I doubt that my prayers will be answered. Remember, there is no god, only metacloriants (sp?????)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Pointless fanboyism

    by Spoons

    It's not "Laugh it up laser brain." It's "I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain." It's "Laugh it up FUZZBALL." Sheesh. Oh, by the way, I'm 79th!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I would like to call for a CEASE AND DESIST ORDER on any and all

    by Pallando Blue

    [I shall now finally put voice to one of my greatest pet peeves over the last decade.] Seriously, please, there's always been somebody who still thinks they're making the cooler hipper most-obscure reference to a bad sequel and/or sequel name by saying "Electric Boogaloo," for THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS. For crying out loud, is it still that new to the teenagers? I hate to break it to you few remaining "Breakin' 2" gigglers, but it's as played as Clara Pellar's "Wheeeere's the beef?" How could anyone not find it tedious at this point? It's the freakin knock-knock joke that would not die. (Yes, yes, I AM VERY glad you didn't say "banana." Go to your room.) Everybody here gangs up on the "First!" posters, so why not rip the EB heads off too? It's really become as pathetic as the Firsters--people racing to make the same trite, insipid, retread copycat "funny pop-cult" reference FIRST, inevitably followed by a horde of idiots making the same Electric Boogaloo "joke" who didn't catch that they got beat to the punch a dozen posts previous. Frankly, The I'm First dips don't aggravate me nearly so much; at least they're a hoot when the post-order hoses up. So save your AICN handle the embarrassment: "Electric Boogaloo" is no more irreverent, sardonic, or ironic a reference than "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight." *** Thanks for your time. Okay, back to the regularly scheduled and already-in-progress intelligent, mature "Star Wars: Episode II Attack Of The Clones debate." [...keeeep straaaaaiiight faaaaace....]

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:38 a.m. CST

    The reasoning behind this title...

    by Holocron5

    Lucas had to put 'clones' somewhere in the title for this. 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' is redundant. 'Attack of the Clones', while campy as ever, makes the most sense. It would be foolish not to take advantage of the real life media storm concerning clones. It was perfect timing...well-calculated. This was more of a business move than anything else. Now he gets lots of free press and if his luck is consistent, people will speculate as to the possibility of his fiction becoming fact.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Episode II: The Clone Rangers

    by jackrabbit

    Has a certain ring to it, eh....

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:48 a.m. CST

    What a cheap and cheesy title!!

    by Sword23

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Also interesting to note...

    by Holocron5

    There's another interesting parallel between this movie and the serials so faithfully alluded to by the Lucasfilm advertising blitz. During the advent of atomic power in the '50s, many of the serials of the time dealt with mutated creatures as a result of the technology. Star Wars, by a stroke of luck or shrewd calculation, has the perfect opportunity to recreate that kind of sensationalism and play off of the real life fears concerning this technology. I'm wondering if all of the Lucasfilm comments about waiting for the time when the technology was right to produce the prequels referred to more than just the special effects...did Lucas consult scientists to determine when genetic cloning would come into play so that this event would coincide with the release of the new movies?

  • Harry knows that Lucasfilm's press release is just a rehash of how he originally percieved/sold The Phantom Menace title for them last time. In other words - this is marketing horseshit. Someone was paying attention to the news LAST WEEK, and saw that some Italian genius was going to try and clone people. Ladies and Gents, this meatball has been screaming about cloning a person since a month after Dolly was born. Do a search with his name, and you'll turn up tons of info from previous months. Lucas didn't envision this title like Constantine and the cross. They saw a free marketing oppurtunity and ran with it. In essence, it doesn't matter that much too him, because you're all going to see it, no matter what. He could have titled this thing "Insert Merchandise Tie-In Here" and still cleaned up. If anything - don't buy the horseshit line of "harkening back to serial titles". That was a freebie notion from Harry that was swiped by the Lucas people. And sadly, it's also an easy cop-out for having a really bad storyline.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Besides the bovious laughable problems with getting over the typ

    by JasonDkEldar

    If one goes to the starwars.com site and tries to read the story now, well lo and behold the thing doesn;t even connect any longer .. A possible hacker's ploy ?? Imagine that, hackers messing with fanboy's minds ?? Kind of appropriate for the two geekiest groups on the planet to be messing with each other .. no??

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:55 a.m. CST

    SYH: The Name Kicks ASS

    by KeSoze

    Never before have I seen such a lot of immature, petulant, smartass little complainers. The new name... is... just awesome. Star Wars is -- and always has been -- about nothing but fun. It's not about the meaning of life, it's not about the meaning of cool, it's not about meaning anything except excitement and going to the movies. All these whiners going on about how their former love for Star Wars is finally dead, well... if such a love can be destroyed before THE MOVIE IS EVEN SEEN, then I'd have to say you never loved it at all. You're like a guy refusing to date any girl named Beatrice, and I hope the hottest model ever known to man comes walking by, introduces herself as Beatrice, and tells you to piss off. Besides, every title in the "Star Wars" saga has told you EXACTLY what happens in the movie. All speeders and explosions aside, what "A New Hope" does is just introduce a new hope for the galaxy. "The Empire Strikes Back" is about... strangely enough, the Empire striking back. In "The Return of The Jedi", hey!, the Jedi return and kick some ass. And "The Phantom Menace" introduces... wow... a phantom menace... as yet unseen, but still there, lurking. Learning from this progression, what do you think the second movie is going to be about? Umm... magic cheese? Nope... a whole lot of identical stormtroopers kicking ass! Sweet! And in this rationale, all your "Balance of The Force", "The Depths Of Power" BS just won't fly. Nor would it be the least bit fun. Oh yeah, more importantly, all the titles tell you who's going to win in the movie. Who wins in each? In Ep1: The Phantom Menace. In Ep4: The New Hope. In Ep5: The Empire. In Ep6: The Jedi. Finally, for all you Phantom Menace haters, I have just this, again: shut your holes. Yes, it WAS a bright, colorful, kiddie movie. Why? Ever hear of a word called contrast? No. Check your TV manuals. What contrast means is that if Ep1 was some dark, violent, doom-and-gloom flick, none of what's coming up would seem half as bad as it's going to. Just shut up for now, wait until all six are available, watch them in order, and maybe then you'll begin to understand. Maybe.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:56 a.m. CST

    The Empire Strikes Back does not sound silly to me.

    by BigW

    Sorry, can't for the life of me figure out what sounds silly about that. Attack of the Clones sounds very silly to me, but: 1) You can't judge a book by it's cover. 2) You only need a cool title to get people's attention if you don't already have it. Does that make any sense? Well, I'm thinking about Shawshank Redemption here. The movie had a title nobody liked. With reference to point 1, it is still an awesome movie. With reference to point 2, it bombed at the box office because nobody really knew what it was, and the bad title did not draw anybody in. Star Wars: EP II does not have problem number 2: EVERYONE knows what Star Wars is. As for problem 1, time will tell, but I'll try to stay optimistic.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah! Just that quick, i forgot about that shit!!!

    by XTheCrovvX

    Matrix:Reloaded is a sorry ass title too! I was one of those people rooting for Matrix 2.0 to be the title, but oh well...damned if i wont be there opening night, actually paying the FULL 9 bucks to see that bad ass. And just real quick...about some of the titles getting thrown around...Star Wars Episode 2: THe Clone Wars....kinda redundant having The Clone Wars and Star Wars on the same marquee, aint it? The Shadow Falls...personally, i like it, but those of you who knew the Double Dragon cartoon know why it sounds a little off kilter...Fall of the Jedi...save that one for Ep. 3....Veil of the Sith...sounds pretty groovy to me....now, Balance of the Force....YES....why do i like this? without giving away SHIT, it would convey everything that has been prophesied to occur in the coming years of Anakin's training...i mean, one of my favorite lines in Phantom Menace is the one about how the prophecy states that there will be one who will bring balance to the Force...but nobody bothers to look deeper into that line....if the Jedi are in charge, and the Sith have been extinct for thousands of years, then which way do the scales need to tip to maintain the balance? Shit's about to happen to tip that to the dark side on various fronts....thats what its going to be about...and third ones gonna claim the trump card...a Jedi crossed to the dark side...hoo boy...thats how a title should feed into a film...not just one event that happens...anyways...its too damn hot to rant here...Revolution is still my name...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Lucas is right ! Harry is right !!

    by RobinP

    The title is just...damn perfect. Those of us who were around a long, long time ago remember that the initial inspiration for Star Wars were the Flash Gordon serials. In fact, Lucas only wrote Star Wars because King Features wouldn't sell him the rights to Flash Gordon. Those of us who bear this in mind, can enjoy the films for what they are. Fun. Look it up, losers, it ain't hard to find, but you've made it easy to lose. I'm talking to the whiners who criticise everything from titles (ever heard the phrase "don't judge a book by its cover") to characters. ("Nyaaaah, I dont like JarJar")Now, I'll generally be among the first here on talkback to criticise Lucas's corporate greed, especially when he oversees yet another limited edition rerelease of the trilogy, but guys.....give the guy a break over his titles. He can actually call it "Attack of the Pink Fluffy Bunnies" if he wants to, and you can't do Jack Shit about it. I especially liked Harry's closing two sentences on this post, because it's true....it's damn true.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Lack of Reality

    by Jerronimo

    Yes, the title is very serial in nature (I have a print of ATOM MAN vs. SUPERMAN: At the Mercy of Atom Man on my office wall). But, the thing that made Lucas so great back in the day was his ability to add a sense of reality to the old serials. They died out for a reason, and after Episode One I don't know if George realizes this. I remember an Engineer friend of mine talking about how incredible it was to see oil fluid leaking from the ships in the original Star Wars. That dusty, grime infested reality took action serials to a new level. Yes, there was corny dialog, but the characters and the films seemed to take themselves resonably seriously. That went downhill from the first film. We went to muppet land and now we've graduated to DIGITAL MUPPET land. No grit, no sense of reality. I watched Lucas talk in one of his new documentaries about how he's a "visual filmmaker" and about how it's "all about the visuals as a means to storytelling." I'd love to shove my MAKING OF Star Wars in front of him and make him watch himself say "It's all about the story, the visuals just help you get there." The fans have had serious love for this story, it is unfortunate that Lucas is not. Can you imagine three serious PREQUEL movies, dark forboding fare that focuses on the actual fall of the Republic and not everything that lead up to it. Wouldn't it have been cool to start with Anakin on the brink of becoming Vader and go from there. Three films creating a sweeping war epic worthy of the clone wars reference....instead of JAR JAR and trade groups and rip off Dinotopia worlds. UGH!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Mrzsasz:

    by Holocron5

    Zavos' attempt to produce a human clone has never received the kind of headline attention it started receiving this week. Its just now entering the court of public opinion for real. This isn't search engine business anymore and we're not talking about sheep or mice. As for the film nostalgia pretensions of Knowles and Lucasfilm: both are wise appeals to the older fanbase to lend more credence. To you, it may be 'marketing horseshit', but its necessary when you've invested millions of dollars in something. You can't afford to pass out fliers for the film at coffee shops and charity banquets and no matter what, you're going to offend some elitist moron's sensibilities.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Episode Two: Dude, Where's My Landspeeder?

    by Orpheus

    Well, like most people here, I heard the title, and I damn near fell out of my chair laughing. I couldn't believe it. It was like when Buffy died at the end of The Gift. It required a double-take or two. But today, I'm LOVING IT. The Phantom Heresies over at Space.com have proven correct. Everyone was expecting so much, and out comes a cornball, one dimensional title "Attack of the Clones"! This proves once and for all, despite all the erroneous fanboy backlash, that George Lucas doesn't sell out. No Jedi dodging lasers in bullet time. No Anakin in Gap leather. No hard rock music over the closing credits. Just sheer cheesedom, oblivious to the Hip Factor. AOTC? What could be more daring, more subversive a title? No caving in to the Anti-Jar Jar factions, or the slackjawed fanboy masses, or the clueless media. It is what it is. George is the quintessential trickster. He has completely fucked over our preconceptions since the prequel trilogy began, and if he hadn't, there wouldn't have been much of a point. Bring on the clones!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:31 a.m. CST

    "The title makes sense. It does." - Harry, 1998

    by soylentphil

    http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=2191

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:36 a.m. CST

    It sounds like any other Lucas title.

    by Guru Master

    Raiders of the lost Ark Temple of Doom A new Hope Empire Strikes Back Attack of the Clones It sounds like any other Lucas title, whats the big Fuckin' deal, Star Wars Movies are just supposed to be for fun any way right? Fuck it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Allright, everyone listen to me!

    by Jackamaku

    Much like you all, I am the smartest person here, so I will tell you all how it is and you will have no choice but to agree. All of you kids sitting there eating Cheetos and trying to come up with another pun can relax. this is exactly the kind os titles we've been getting for Star Wars. First of all, look at the track record of the original trilogy: A New Hope (not too flashy, but everyone refers to it as Star Wars anyway), describes a person: luke is the new hope. The Empire Strikes Back (a pretty goofy, pulp title if you think about it- but we don't, because we're used to it, and we love the film), it describes an action- the empire is strikning back. Last, Return of the Jedi, can be taken as 1) the return of luke, or 2) the return of the jedi order, either way its an action. Now we have the new trilogy: The Phantom Menace (which no one was doing backflips over when that came out, but we're used to it now- and besides, everybody refers to it as Episode 1 anyway, which is how Lucasfilm pushed the advertising), describes a person - Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Episode II follows the exact tradition of the original trilogy, an action title: Attack of the Clones, the clones are attacking just like the empire was striking back. YOU WILL GET USED TO IT. No one will care a year from now. Everybody had their little hearts set on THE Clone Wars as a title. Think about it Star WARS: The Clone WARS? Too many WARS. It don't work friends. So quit whining, you've got what you want: a star wars movie about the clone wars. Lucas could have set the clone wars between Episode I and II if he wanted to. Relax. As long as the film is good, it won't make a difference.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Yes, but....

    by Dragonfire

    There are tons of other ways George Lucas could have said "These are evil clones" without making it sound like a B-grade horror movie. He could have called it 'the clone wars' or something cool. And the thing you're calling 'silliness'is the humour you'd find in most adventure movies. It's not unique to star wars. And sorry if I'm taking this a bit to seriously, but Luke doing a back flip in his duel with Vader was significant because it showed he was more in control of his abilities. Honestly, there was nothing silly about the duel in empire.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Thank you Harry for the note of realism that Star Wars talkbacks

    by Gabba-UK

    No wonder he loves Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back!! If the purpose of Jay and Bob is to take the piss out of the more obsessive movie fans and Harry digs the film what does Harry think of his creation now. I suspect that harry sometimes wishs that he never started Aint it cool. The darker side of humanity really comes out on these Star Wars talkbacks and as I read them the more I thank God that the Atlantic ocean is between me and most of the people that post on them. Some of these people are genuinely scarey and the worryingly thing is some of them have access to firearms!!! How can some people vent so much anger and hate about the title of what is just after all a fucking movie, when there are some REAL things in the world, beyond the monitors of their PC, that they should be getting very angry and doing something about! If people poured this much effort into fighting the injustices in this world, we might all get to live in a world where some of us dont have to retreat into the the mythology of films in order to hide just how fucked in the head they are. OK sermon over now. I still like the title after a night sleeping on it. And on another note I'm just old enougth to remember what most people's reaction was in '77 to a film that they had heard of but not yet seen. "Star Wars??! What kind of title is that? Sounds like some fucking 50's B-movie to me!!" M'lord, the defence rests

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:45 a.m. CST

    let's remember folks

    by Woodward

    That the Star Wars movies, god love 'em, are primarily children's movies. As in "aimed at the 6 to 14-year-old set." Which is probably the age a lot of us were when we first discovered them. Don't expect BLADE RUNNER or 2001 at a Star Wars flick. ATTACK OF THE CLONES is probably right on. I can hear my 8-year-old nephew saying "Cooool!" and salivating for the action figures. Any adult who gets seriously worked up about this stuff has some problems.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:46 a.m. CST

    all this makes me wonder...

    by zintango

    ...When was the last time Harry didn't find a reason to like something? C'mon Harry, get back to being objective and get off the studio slut junket ride. The title is bad, and saying so won't get you booted from a potential Lucas private screening. Unless your last name is Speilberg, Georgie doesn't do those. Just once I'd like to see you come back to the early days of this site, when you had opinions, not praise.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:09 a.m. CST

    TWO REASONS "Clone Wars" DOESN'T WORK [minor spoiler]

    by Lindenius

    Number 1: The big picture You can't call a title to a movie almost the same as the title for the whole series. It's too confusing - Star Wars: The Clone Wars - get over it! It just sounds (and looks!!!) lame.... Number 2: The Clone War is innacurate since it's not a war - yet. Attack of the clones, however, is more accurate. I'm starting to like it more and more.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Episode II: When Clones Attack!

    by dcervera

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Hmm. I like it.

    by SamWave

    It doesn't seem very silly. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is silly. What's in a name, anyway? A nice suprise on this fine afternoon!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Episode II: World's Scariest Clone Attacks

    by dcervera

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:14 a.m. CST

    pull the plug

    by casul george

    For all of those who HATE the title Episode II: Attack of the Clones and thought that TPM was just a horrible film, I have a solution. Just walk away. Throw out your friggin Star Wars toys and posters and EU novels and forget that it exists. Just move on. Stick to your guns and boycott the movie. (Like that's going to happen.) All you whining babies will be there on the first day, itching to get a look. Star Wars is an awesome series and George has poured over half his life into making these films. I think he's got some insight into what the friggin title ought to be. If you think about it Star Wars sounds pretty hoaky. It just accepted now and noone even thinks about it because the movie became such a huge part of our culture. Crap, it's like everyone is just waiting to hate this film before they even know what it looks like. This title was release and everyone tears into it like a pack of rabid dogs. Jeez, just enjoy it for what it is: a sci-fi fantasy for all ages. Most of the fans that were 7 or 8 at the time it was release have all grown up to be a bunch of cynical, jaded griping idiots. So, unless Lucas turn these movies into Pulp Fiction in space everyone wants to crap all over and blame Jar Jar for ruining TPM for them. All you Talk Backers need to just move on because your obviously too old and 'mature' for a Star Wars movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Let it go and RELAX

    by Holden17MM

    Its one thing to say that this title doesn't sound incredibly exciting. Honestly I was hoping for better, something with a deeper meaning or something like that. But people... YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET!!! YOU HAVE NO REAL IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE MOVIE ENTAILS!!! That is of course unless you are so obsessive over it that you scour the internet for every possible spoiler so you can have an excuse to bitch about something on these talk backs. When the film comes out, if you don't like it, don't see it. Just stop bitching about it. George Lucas does not personally owe any of you anything! HE is making HIS movie. If you want to create an imaginary Sci-Fi universe then go do it and name the films in your serial anything you like, have the characters you want and aim towards the audience that you want. Just stop bitching about something as trivial as a movie when you are going o pay money to see it anyway! As for the ass clowns who are beginning any film to film debaes such as the schmuck who said something to teh effect of, "... just wait and see Lord of the Rings, its much more inspired and better... blah blah blah" Guess what... YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT F'N MOVIE EITHER!!! Don't go saying that this movie will rock and this one won't until they are actually out in theaters. Nearly all movies have promise and you would benefit from watching a lot of them without having searched for the online scripts months before the movie is released and downloading pirated video of what could have been a terriffic surprise. The only exception to this rule is of course people who bitch about Scary Movie type films sucking money out of Hollywood that could go into real films... this is totally a vaild point to complain about. But when it comes to you Star Wars, Sci Fi, Fantasy zealots... just give things a rest and wait until you see the movie before sounding off your trifles of worthless information. If you got beef with any of this, just e-mail me personally... I'm not wasting my time checking back at this particular talk back. And thast saying a lot because I'm frigging bored out of my mind at work. You can only read so many books a week at a desk while checking e-mail and getting paid $14 an hour for doing it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Eine Clone Nachtmusik

    by Bruce T Shark

    You have to admit Attack of the Clones does sound like an episode of one of the Saturday morning serials. That is all Star Wars is after all. Every Fanboy knows that originally Lucas wanted to make a Buck Rogers film and couldn't get the rights. So it might not be the greatest title in the world but it does it's job. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is just as cheesy but I don't remember anyone whining about that title when it was announced. One last thing though, if next summer I'm sitting in the cinema watching Episode 2 and one of the characters says " Send in the Clones" I'll walk.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:30 a.m. CST

    vertigo93

    by DrVital

    "my point is that I'm damn sure my 8 year old nephew can, and it'll stay with him into adulthood, just like those scenes do with you." Just because a movie is aimed at kids doesn't mean that it's automatically good. If that's the case then Veggie Tales is a work of genius. Children aren't aliens. Things resonate with kids because it gives them a window into the world of adulthood. They stay with them because as they mature they recognize those simple truths continuing to resonate in their lives. When Star Wars came out I can remember making both of my parents go. I can remember how proud I was when I made my Dad go. I was finally showing him something cool in return for all the cool things he had shown me. I've seen Star Wars, and TPM is no Star Wars.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:35 a.m. CST

    zintango

    by happydude33

    you are absolutely right. his opinion is different from yours so he's either lying or he's crazy. you're under 12, aintcha l'il fella?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clowns...

    by The Killer-Goat

    Right, so when McGregor, one of the stars of this upcoming flick, states his own opinion of how bad the title is, how many fanboy pro's and con's change their tunes faster than a digital jukebox? http://www.popcorn.co.uk/news/story.jhtml?id=568867

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I thought that the title was gonna be "A Shadow Falls"

    by lordbrockula

    I thought the title was gonna be "A Shadow Falls" Oh well. I wish everyone would chill. Too many people think that if the title is wierd that the movies gonna suck. This trilogy cannot be judged by a single film, or even two. This Trilogy should be judged as just that, a trilogy. So wait until all has been said and done until you blast away at Lucas and Star Wars.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Clones

    by kurdt420

    It's funny how everytime some little bit of info about this film comes out, people sit there and pick it apart and bitch and moan about it. I remember when Alex Keaton was cast as Batman, everyone cried about it, until they saw it then they wined that he didn't come back for the third one. As much as everyone has a right to there opinion, maybe you should wait to see the film before you jump the gun and start complaining. After all Mr. Lucas is only human and he can't please everyone, so he is just writing it the way he wants to tell it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Actually, it's funny how many folks here are tagging opinions.

    by The Killer-Goat

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Oops, damn RETURN keys...

    by The Killer-Goat

    Anyways, too many people here taking the negative opinions towards the title as biased word towards the entire movie. Me, personally, I think the title's goofy and campy. But hey, the movie's probably gonna be cool fun to watch. Just hard to say "Attack of the Triffids--er, Clones" with a straight face. I'll wait for the second weekend to wait in line this time, thanks.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I wonder if everybody here realizes...(spoiler)

    by Shaft9876

    That more body parts get hacked off in this movie than in the other four combined. Just a side note.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Okay...OK!!!!

    by terrymcginnis

    Lets get this all straight....Lucas makes a bunch o movies in the 70's, 80's and 90's; which in turn leads to lots'o money and a boat-load of power in Hollywood. Then he takes HIS money and HIS studio and HIS story and decides.."hmm, I want to call this movie 'insert name here'...yah, I like that" And all the fanboys and dolls get angry?!?!?!?! His money, his movie, HE CAN NAME IT WHATEVER HE WANTS...geesh. Ya'll get your own money and write your own movie, and then you can name it whatever you want. I don't care for the name, but it doesn't matter, so long as the flick is good.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Im SO very disappointed in you, Mr. Lucas...

    by mastercontrolpro

    Well, I dont see how Ill ever get used to this title. Unlike alot of you who seem to think the title is not the name. I dont how it is in your circle of freinds. But in mine we refer to the first two sequels by their names(ESB&ROTJ), and 'TPM' as 'Episode 1'. Isn't that Strange? I think a little less silly a title would have been a better choice. If your first reaction is laughter, thats not good. Both SW and Indiana Jones harken back to the old serials, but c'mon, it was never so damn obvious! (Overheard the reaction around the ILM offices was very similar to the way many reacted online, and morale has lowered to around Jar-Jar levels) And since its plain that Lucas cares little about the fan base he's created over the years (this feels like every bit as much a slap in the face as Jar-Jar was in the first film) you can certainly count me out of this films opening weekend hoopla. As of now, I intend not to see this film in the first week, maybe two, as I did with ep1. Nor do I intend to get the SW film jitters and go out and buy 50-100 bucks worth of toys in anticipation of its release. Its really the only way to voice your dissatisfaction. The title is awful, admit it, any true SW fan out there who thinks otherwise is really just in denial. I remember those first few weeks after the release of ep1, I know how denial feels. end of line.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon Sucks!

    by Virgil Starkwell

    "...ask Joss Whedon for advice. There is guy who knows how to do a franchise without turning it crap" 2 words for ya buddy" "Alien Resurection" Now there's a franchise that won't be returning anytime soon thanks to your friend Mr. Whedon.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:01 p.m. CST

    "Star Wars is a religion for many"

    by Shaft9876

    If this is true for you, shoot yourself now.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST

    kurdt420

    by nitpick

    Loved Alex Keaton, especially in his early silent films like "The General." The purpose, of course, of this forum is "wining" and perhaps even dining. Is anybody else hungry? The Famished Menace anyone?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Ive said it before,

    by happyhippy

    and Ill say it again. Some people should fuckin grow up. Star Wars was aimed at Kids. Corny bollocks, aimed for people aged 8-14, not us thirtysomethings.It wasnt made personaly for me. Or any one else here.Not a Tolkein rip off, more a rip off of Atherian legend and many European legends and folktales. So was the Matrix (the hero who is uncertain of his role or position and true potential(Keanu the Plank), the wise mentor (The great Larry Fishburne)It just has a different wrapping paper, thats all. Dont stop me loving it,or loving star wars. but I also love Blade Runner. I also love 2001. I think the new title is pretty good. Look at with all the others and it fits. So what if Ewan Macgregor doesn't like it? He also doesn't like the sad, desperate gits who say 'may the force be with you' to him, or Challenge him to mock Lightsabre fights at the stage door when he was appearing in Little Malcolm and the Eunochs.(and no, neither of them were me.) The type of people who put Jedi as there religion in a recent UK religion to try to get it recognised as an official religion over here. People that just take the films way tooo seriously. Lets just wait for the film, forget our age, and enjoy a good bit of cheesy, childish escapism. And if we dont like it like we did the original trilogy, so bloody what?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:06 p.m. CST

    We're all Lucas' pawns.

    by DarthZachToo

    He chose this title to create controversy and lot's of press to easily promote and hype the film.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Actor added to the EPII cast...

    by Furryous

    Just heard that Lucas just added a new star to the cast list of EP II... George Cloney

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:09 p.m. CST

    All of the titles

    by hktelemacher

    are actually pretty bad if you really think about it, it's just A New Hope, Empire Strike's Back and Return of the Jedi are so strongly burnt into our collective conscience that we don't think about it. I wasn't even born when ANH came out, and I can't remember a time without Star Wars, so the rather stupid subtitles are so normal to me and so many others. The Phantom Menace never sounded right to me, and since everyone has such a definitive version of Star Wars in their own heads based on the first trilogy, it's hard to accept anything else. Although, Attack of the Clones does sound worse than the rest, but who cares? I don't call Ep. 1 by it's full title, and if nothing else, Attack of the Clones is just another reminder that the prequels should not have been made at all, but Lucas is going to finish what he started, even if he alienates his fanbase who, when the first movies came out were mainly just kids, but now want something much, much more than two hours of flimsy CG and wooden acting. Hopefully, the title will be the worst thing about the flick - and if not, it can't be any worse than Episode One.

  • Other movies that have dumb titles: The Cider House Rules (it totally rocks!!) Citizen Kane (Hello, my name is Kane and I'm a citizen. I lost my sled) Moonraker (I prefer "Moonshoveler") The Third Man (ignore the first two) Rush Hour Die Hard (working title was "Motorcraft")

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Is Lucas a Clone?

    by cooper2000

    Did someone kill Lucas and replace him with a Dumb clone. I think its either that or hes lost it. What a crappy name and following a dissapointment of a movie in Episode 1, this news sucks. Gee, I can hardly wait, Attack of the Clones. Whats next, Episode 3: Jar Jar does poop?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Harry's Reaction

    by mastercontrolpro

    Needless to say, I too would've expected the 'old' Harry to be absolutely bouncing off of walls, at an announcement like this. But even before hitting the link, I knew he would be glossing it over by the end. Tell us Harry, do you just feel to responsible for the movie industry these days to let loose with how you really feel?? After this summer of big-budget films, id say that makes close to 3 straight summers of crap (give or take a moment or two). Doesn't that put us in a film 'depression'???

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:23 p.m. CST

    What's more painful?

    by The Llama

    The original mistake, or the mistaken correction? Michael Keaton--Batman. BUSTER Keaton--The General. Alex Keaton?--the son from Family Ties. And I still say I'm terribly suspicious of George breaking tradition by releasing a title this early on. I think it's a trick.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    !!! STOP THE INSANITY !!!

    by Pizza The Hut

    There are days I wish the computer never existed... and this is one of them... The title will work just fine. Trust me.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:30 p.m. CST

    revenge of the jedi, anyone?

    by smitty

    Attack of the clones? Please. A guy down the street from me still has his Revenge of the Jedi one-sheet. It's worth quite a bit, as I understand it. If any one has any "offical" attack of the clones merch, let me know- I could use a retirement fund.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I am afraid to ask what "Robin's Wild Ride" was . .

    by Brock Landers

    Scary . .Oh and good thoughts Harry. Everything we know about this movie thus far says it is going to rule. Damn, can't wait.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    "Hey, Steve, get a load of this..."

    by monkeyboyjunior

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:46 p.m. CST

    SW II : Please Jar-Jar Don't Hurt 'Em

    by Marcus P.

    You could learn a lot from a dummy

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    EpII: Killer Clones from Outer Space

    by Yossarian

    Yeah...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "Hey, Steve, get a load of this..."

    by monkeyboyjunior

    "Yeah, George...what's up?" "Watch how I fuck with these geeks on AICN by naming the new SW flick. something uncool..." "Har!Har! I think some of them are going to cry..." "You're damn right they will! They'll cry themselves to sleep tonight while cuddling up with the collectable Keanu Reeves 'Neo' doll!" "Man, George, that's funny! I might do that with the next Jurassic Park!" "Hell yeah, man! Hold on, hold on...go watch the monitor. I'm about to announce a romance between Sy Snootles and Jar Jar..."

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:52 p.m. CST

    As for the Episode III title...

    by Fernce

    I think it's safe to say we have enough information to determine the title of the third Star Wars film: Terror on Tatooine. Or Maybe: The Incredibly Strange Jedis Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed Up Siths.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Take a step back & look at the big picture

    by Erock Skywalker

    The title is weak, there is no getting past that, but the movie is what matters! I for one can't wait for this movie. I knew going into TPM that the goods were in Ep. 2+3. TPM was more of a prologue than anything. AOTC is where the story really begins and where the arc that will take us right through to ROTJ begins. I think we all need to lighten up about the title and start getting excited that this is going to be the movie that we Star Wars fans have been waiting for....although if I had it my way TPM would have been a true prologue and this would be EP.1, making it a 7 part series.

  • After I read the official announcement, this title made sense. BUT this also means it needs to be BETTER than the Phantom Menace. I hate to say it, but the folks at Lucasfilm have ALOT of work on their hands.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Why does it rule that it pisses so many people off?

    by mastercontrolpro

    Yeah, for the majority to be in here goin, "Great!" "awesome!" "cant wait!" would just suck so hard... It would be neat to pull out the old talkbacks from when Phantom Menace was named, just to see how the reactions differ from then and now. My Disney and my Star Wars are both goin to hell in a handbasket. What a rude awakening!

  • Just thought I add something completely different. I first read about this movie on Dark Horizon. And have to say, it does indeed sound creepy and fun.............

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:29 p.m. CST

    You're right, it is a stupid title...

    by kittyboot

    Star. Wars. "Star Wars". Stupid.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Shattered hopes..............

    by RedScab

    Since TPM I have absolutly no high hopes for Episode II. I went into TPM hopeing to capture some of the wonder the orginal films gave me when I was a child. One problem I was 24, and I was a jaded adult. So learning from the past I am completly indifferent towards the new film: When Clones Attack! Sorry, Attack of the Clones! Ok I can't lie the new title bits!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Been watching CNN today? Life imitating art or what?

    by Scoobydo-do

    I'd swear George Lucas is part of some secret cabal that governs the worlds' affairs from the darkest shadows. I find it too much of a coincidence that within 24 hours of ATTACK OF THE CLONES making headlines, some Frankenstein genius makes his own headlines with an attack from his all too REAL CLONES. I don't want to sound all Mulder here, but considering we're gonna have Grand Moff Bush orbiting earth from the Death Star soon, I'm beginning to think that George Lucas is slowly preparing us for some Brave New World, where Jar Jar Binks and the Ewoks are no longer some lame disney-ass creations, but real, gas-pumping, Macdonald's serving residents of planet earth. AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:48 p.m. CST

    What's more painful?

    by nitpick

    What is truly painful is allowing the irony-deprived out without a minder. Does every utterance require emoticons or LOL or some other signifier so the literal-minded won't trip and hurt themselves? Hey look! -I'm grinning. No really, I mean it! See the cat? See the cradle?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Dinner with Georgie... (hidden microphone)

    by MCVamp

    Steven Spielberg: "So Georgie, what did you do this week?" George Lucas: "Aw, not much." SS: "I spent the week polishing my Best Director and Best Picture Oscars. Do you have any Oscars, Georgie?" GL: "Uh, sort of, but I have to kind of share them with ILM." SS: "That's shame. Say, ever think of trying to win an Oscar? They're getting easier to get. Why, Kevin Costner got one and he only directed half the movie! And hey, don't forget Gladiator, huh? Popcorn movies are all th rage, George." GL: "I don't know. Gladiator had a historical backdrop and lots of blood. All I know is Star Wars. They'll never give me an Oscar for Star Wars. Not until I'm dead or dying, at least." SS: "Yeah, you're probably right. Say did you know Mel Gibson has a Best Picture Oscar?" GL: "That's it! Screw your awards! You know what I'm going to do?!?" SS: "Calm down, Georgie, you're causing a scene..." GL: "Shut up, Mr. 'Academy Award Winner.' Well, maybe I won't any awards, but... you know that new Star Wars movie?" SS: "Episode Two? Yeah, weren't you going to call that "Shadow Falls," or "Balance of the Force?" My son read abot the titles online." GL: "I was going to do that, I was going to forget that I actually created this whole thing and give into the fans who think they know this shit better than I do, but now, you've pissed me off. So guess what?" SS: "What, George?" GL: "I'll bet you I can pick the silliest, corniest, B-movie title possible for Episode 2. A title so out of left field that not even the people in the MOVIE are going to know what to make of it. And I'll STILL make a billion dollars from it!" SS: "Whoa, George, don't do that. What would Rick say?" GL: "McCallum? Fuck McCallum, he'd nod his head and smile even if I called it 'Godzilla vs. Yoda!' " SS: "So what will you call it?" GL: "Uh...um... (looks at the ceiling) Clones...clones....Attack... that's it. ATTACK OF THE CLONES!" SS: "Are you kidding George? You can't call a movie that in 2002, the websites will crucify you with complaints!" GL: "Watch me. They'll complain all right. From the moment they hear the title to the moment they walk out of the theater saying 'hey, let's come back and see it again tomorrow. I missed some of the >snickers< NUANCES' And I'll STILL be rich." SS: "I don't know, Georgie... 'Attack of the Clones,' huh? Ain't gonna win no Oscars. What will the critics say?" GL: "If I was in this for the Oscars, why would I be making Star Wars movies? Fuck critics. Critics are just failed film students, or worse, people who wouldn't know art if it bit their dick off." SS: "True, true. So, think "A.I." will get me some more Oscars?" GL: "Sigh. Sure, Steve. Sure." BASED ON THIS SECRET RECORDED CONVERSATION, I HAVE DEDUCED THAT THIS NAME RULES. SLAP EM TWO TIMES, GEORGIE!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I guess you can justify almost anything...

    by Michel Delving

    I guess you can justify almost anything if you try hard enough. Nice one Harry.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 1:52 p.m. CST

    From Filmjerk.com

    by cooper2000

    I thought this was funny... A CORRECTION FROM LUCASFILM A discomfited George Lucas issued a press statement late Monday evening, shortly after he learned of the faux pas posting of the title of the new Star Wars movie on his website:

  • ......only, unlike you, I am not going to try to play lame positive thinking games with myself and pretend that I like the title. The Attack of the Clones invokes laughter in the same way that one might have his penis chewed off by a wild dog and laugh out of being completely overwhelmed by the magnitude of his misfortune. I laugh at lots of things that suck. I laugh at rednecks. I laugh at bands like Slipknot who are so completely ridiculous looking that they are funny...When I wrecked my beloved Honda Prelude last week I laughed because it was the only way I could deal with the realization that I would have to cough up $500 for my insurance deductible. And I laughed when I saw the title for Episode II. Some things you laugh at out of entertainment. Some things you laugh at because they just fucking suck. I believe that type of laughter applies very well to Episode II. However some things that suck invoke nausea rather than laughter. Things like having bloody diarreah, herpes, yeast infections or you, Harry, trying to put a positive spin on this utterly stupid title is the nausea invoking kind of suck.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:03 p.m. CST

    "What's More Painful?"

    by nitpick

    "The original mistake, or the mistaken correction? Michael Keaton--Batman. BUSTER Keaton--The General. Alex Keaton?--the son from Family Ties." Actually, what's most painful is letting the irony-deprived out without a minder. Must every scrap of writing be accompanied by emoticons or some other cue to ensure the terminally literal-minded don't trip and hurt themselves? See the cat? See the cradle?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:07 p.m. CST

    this can't be the real title !

    by XManEDS

    I know because I sneaked onto the set undercover, and all the crew and equipment was labeled with the real name of the film. The title "Attack of the Clones" is just a silly cover-up, a throwaway. That's not the real name. The real name is "Blue Harvest."

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:09 p.m. CST

    EP 2 TALKBACKERS WILL SHITE ON ANYTHING YOU DO BECAUSE THEY ARE

    by MRfanboy

    Did George Lucas rape your mom or steal all your money, because the hatred and anger toward the last episode of Star Wars here is just ridiculous. The funny thing is that it seems alot of talkbackers think they can make a better Star Wars movie than old George, but they are delusional. It doesnt take much talent to do most of the things TBers excel at. Lucas could flip hamburgers as well as you guys can, deliver pizzas as well as you could, he could masterbate to porno as well as you could, and if he put his mind to it, he could probably be as big of whiny little bicthes like you TBers are. Attack of the Clones is fine, its got a goofy ring to it like Temple of Doom or Raiders of the Lost Ark.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Funniest talkback of the year

    by Projectordust

    Thanks everyone for their contributions, I'm nearly in tears from laughter. This is hilarious.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I'm with you Harry, well said...

    by elwen

    I liked the title right from the get go, but now after a day it's really starting to grow on me, and by god I tell you thatI get all excited about the thought of seeing what all these clones are about, we're in for a ride! Frank

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Always an optimist, Harry.

    by Human Tornado

    Sorry for the ranting - it's not your fault, Harry and guys, none of you - but Lucas has been raping us since ROTJ, and we still act like little sheep: Ewoks, Jar-Jar, Special Editions, droid army, droid ships (so you don't have to show anyone actually DIE), shameless product placement (Darth Maul gangsta-hologram close-up, anyone?) lame-o secondary characters with a cool helmet taking pivotal roles in major events just to please fanboys, blantantly stereotypical characters, "Yipieee", "Wizard", "the problem with the galaxy is...", Vader builds C3PO... "George has/always had everything planned" - YEAH, RIGHT! "CLONE WARS" reduced to "GLADIATOR-RIP-OFF-BATTLES-ONLY-WITH-CG-CLONES" - because it's easier to deal with than extras, ya know... I thought gungans vs. battledroids was a clone battle - that's what it looked like, to me, so I hope it's not the same in EP II. Can you imagine what it wold be like if Anakin was actually a litt;e older in EP I, with no control of his powers whatsoever (like TETSUO in AKIRA) who undergoes Jedi training only to loose it once again, in an even fiercer, more frustrating fashion? But NO, Lucas had to cut the ONLY SAMPLE OF ANAKIN'S RAGE present in EP I (the GREEDO scene - btw, how stupid is having greedo as a fat dwarf with poor makeup who's Anakin's childhood pal? How small is this galaxy anyway? Jesus... ). We line up, we buy our tickets, and we get raped up the ass. Now those chicks in school can't say that I don't know what it feels like, anymore.

  • I'm no crazed Star Wars fanatic. I don't own any posters, never read any novels .. hell, I don't even own the movies on tape, nor do I plan to purchase Phantom Menace on DVD (I'll wait years until they're ALL out on DVD, thank you). I do love the original movies (Jedi is still my favorite), and while I did enjoy Menace, it certainly wasn't what it could have been. ... That being said, ATTACK OF THE CLONES IS ONE OF THE DUMBEST EXCUSES FOR A SUBTITLE ON A STAR WARS MOVIE THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN. None of this "serial" bullshit is true. Lucas is trying to see exactly how much he can get away with before he pisses people off to the point where the sales from the movie and the merchandise will dip all of .001% ... Look, plain and simple, this title doesn't fit or match any of the other titles in the series. I keep hearing people say that Empire Strikes Back was\is such a corny title. I don't know about back then (I was born in 1980), but growing up with and living with now, Empire Strikes Back has always sounded like a perfectly good title, there's nothing cheesy about it. Same with Return of the Jedi. Same with A New Hope. Same with Phantom Menace. NOT the same with Attack of the Clones ... geez, can't you yea-sayers see the monumental, glaring difference after reading that title? It's not really so much the "Attack" part that makes it bad, but the "Clones" ... if the title had been Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Sith ... doesn't that sound so much better and less campy than Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones? Not only that, but with this chosen title, Lucas has broke tradition ... A New Hope signified a good (Jedi) win; Empire Strikes Back signified a bad (Empire) win; Return of the Jedi signified another good (Jedi) win; and The Phantom Menace signified a bad (Sith) win. What the hell does Attack of the Clones signify? I don't read spoilers on this movie, and neither does the rest of the regular world that will see this movie. If the clones are being made by the Sith, with the ultimate intention of defeating Jedi, wouldn't the title then signify a bad (Sith/Empire) win? And knowing that Episode III is most definitely a bad (Empire) win, why have three bad wins in a row? ::sigh:: None of this makes sense. And for all you rolling your eyeballs around inside your ego-infested heads right now ... bite me. As a FAN (mainstream fan, mind you), I and every other FAN out there have a right to bitch and moan and complain. YES, EVEN BEFORE WE'VE SEEN THE MOVIE. What the hell would be the point of releasing info about a movie before it comes out, if not to discuss it, put it through the ringer a few times, and beat it to death? Especially when the movie in question is part of one of the biggest entertainment series ever created on Earth? Our beef right now isn't with the actual movie anyway -- it's simply with the choice they made for a title. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THE MOVIE TO REALIZE THAT THE TITLE SUCKS. Simple as that.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:25 p.m. CST

    . . .will not be tolerated!

    by The Horror

    Aw c'mon Harry . . .you can rationalize anything. The title sucks. Why not call it " Killer Klones from Outer Space"? That's an improvement. How about the wonderfully simple " Episode 2: The Clone Wars" . . .WHaaaaA????!!! OMIGOD NO!!! That's not freakin' wierd enough!!! Phhtthhppttt. Lucas is a HACK and Star Wars died after the 2nd film. Period.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:31 p.m. CST

    EP II- THE EMPORER'S NEW CLONES

    by JAGUART

    I agree this one damned funny talkback. And there's no one out defending the merits of TPM. I think the title is passable, really. It's the movie that's got me worried. Hey Look, I'm George Lucas. I'm hip, I'm with it- ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka ducka uuuuu-hhuuuh!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:32 p.m. CST

    To Juggernaut Sondheim:

    by PrincessFlavia

    That was one of the most freakin' hilarious things I've ever read in Talkback. Too bad ol' George isn't as clever with words, hence the ridiculous LAME ASS title that I won't even repeat. All of the "fake" titles I heard rumors of ("The Rise of the Empire", etc.) were better than what George came up with on his own. Ever the optimist, I really wanted Episode II to be better than I, but with a title like that...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I`m sorry, but "Attack Of the Clones" is a REALLY bad title.

    by Elgyn6655321

    And don`t say "it`s no worse than Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi"....because it IS worse! "Empire Strikes Back" and "Return Of the Jedi" are titles that harken back to the old sci-fi serials and such - but they still SOUNDED COOL. "Attack Of the Clones" just sounds....stupid. Say it aloud to yourself. It does.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Disappointed, but fuck it -- it's a damn movie...

    by Sloppy Slacks

    My spit on the subject is that yeah, yeah, the title is kind of corny, but hey, that lame title in itself is better than the movie Episode I was. Besides, it's only the god damn title of the movie. If I was hung up on title names I would have never seen classics like Ferris Bueller's Day Off or Grosse Point Blank. Think about it, a lot of movies HAD lame titles until we actually saw them. I guarentee when we hear the title "Attack of the Clones" a few years from now, we won't think of it as a lame name, but we'll reflect on the movie. Listen to Harry!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:40 p.m. CST

    3 Words for George: OUT OF TOUCH

    by mastercontrolpro

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 2:53 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS EPISODE 2: Eat The Peanuts Out Of My Shit...and you'd

    by Eel O'Brian

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:02 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS EPISODE TWO: ATTACK OF HOMEY THE FRICKIN CLONE

    by gizmobrainyhead

    Lucas... don't fuck this up like you did the first episode! The title should have been STAR WARS EPISODE TWO THE CLONE WARS Now I have images of HOMEY THE FRICKIN CLONE flying through space wuppn Anakin's ass delcaring.. HOMEY DON'T PLAY DAT.. Hope this movie doesn't end up STAR WARS EPISODE TWO ATTACK OF THE DRONES

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Fitting title - and it'll look great on the poster

    by MaxQ

    I think the title works. Out of context it may seem a little wonky, but I'm sure once it's on the trailer/film it will look alot better. I also think the title really fits the story arc. "The Phantom Menace" was about the quite beginnings of the evil empire. Episode II is where the Empire breaks out, "Attack" describes their quick and unexpected action. The clones, we know, were key to the success and growth of the Empire. As far as the clone wars, this movie takes place just before it starts, the title would seem to be the perfect lead in. Episode III will be about the empire crushing the Jedi ("Fall of the Jedi"??) , then comes Episode iV, A New Hope. Seems to me that in the end the episode titles will fit together quite nicely.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Ees Clone Crappy

    by tommyterror

    After PHANTOM MENACE (a title that many people had problems with, and one that also invoked the silly serials of yesteryear) Lucas had two choices - to get better or worse. PHANTOM was trite in a beautifully dense and mythic STAR WARS universe. Bad acting scenes, bad writing, cliched direction, uninspired filmmaking - consumer filmmaking. I was hoping he'd get a little more serious, a little more realistic with the relationships. This new title bodes terrible for the direction of the STAR WARS films. It's more bloated cheesy pulp bullshit over the Joseph Campbell myth. I was willing to give that lame title PHANTOM MENACE a chance, and I was disappointed. I'm just not excited to see a film called ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Bummer.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Let me be the first to say it...

    by DreadedOne

    We're all being played here. Lucas and his people put out this bogus title and everyone gets upset. Fanmail, petitions, cats and dogs living together, total mayhem! And then, in a noble response to fan reaction, they change the title before too long to something simple like "The Clone Wars". And the crowd goes wild! It's brilliant. But we're still being played. -Dread

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Lucas should back off!!!

    by brazilian-pimp

    Okay, its obvious Lucas has let his age catch up with his mind. He is ruining StarWars!!! He should have just left the prequels to our imaginations (which so far are far better than TPM) and adapted novels from authors like Timothy Zahn, which made some kick ass StarWars novels. Or maybe he just should have let someone else do the prequels, because quite frankly, Lucas just isn't cutting it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Nobody's gonna call it that anyway...

    by MartinBlank

    It will always just be 'Clones.' Just like 'The Empire Strikes Back' is 'Empire' and 'Return of the Jedi' is 'Jedi.' In print it'll be 'AOTC', just like 'TESB,' 'ROTJ,' and 'TPM.' Or, it'll just be 'Episode 2.' In any event, people standing in line for tickets aren't gonna go 'One for ATTACK OF THE CLONES,' they're gonna say 'One for STAR WARS.' This all of course assumes that 'Star Wars' itself is not a silly title. It's a brand name by now of course, but divorce it from all the myth and everything associated with it, and say it as if you're hearing it for the first time... 'Star...Wars'...? Goofy. I'd also remind everyone that Episode 6 very nearly went out as 'REVENGE of the Jedi' even to the point of posters and knick-knacks bearing the title, and then Lucas changed it. So if your life is rendered hollow and meaningless by the Episode 2 title, there's still hope.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:32 p.m. CST

    just to add my nothing opinion

    by nixon45

    not that i feel anything towards this whole concept, my starwars soul died in the first half hour of phantom menace, but i thought i'd get it off my chest and give my worthless opinion. i think harry would be right, attacking clones fighting to the death and explosions and wiping out jedi-all that would rock; BUT...the new star wars will be rated PG. they are for children. do the math everyone. george has kids of his own, and will make something they can see, safely. and that's his right, sure. but i feel nothing inside. this will make millions just like Pearl Harbor did, just like Tomb Raider did. great, terrific. i can't even watch the original star wars anymore, what's wrong with me? Life is depressing, all around. And of the "Tim Burton will save this summer!" people, where are you now? i want answers, i want good movies. i want my life back, you son of a bitch. peace out.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:32 p.m. CST

    What you will say to get tickets

    by OriginalV

    Harry- It's amazing how low you will stoop in order to get advance tickets. Georgie's check must have arrived a day late or you would've been kissing his ass as soon as the title was released.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:33 p.m. CST

    What you will say to get tickets

    by OriginalV

    Harry- It's amazing how low you will stoop in order to get advance tickets. Georgie's check must have arrived a day late or you would've been kissing his ass as soon as the title was released.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:38 p.m. CST

    CHANGE IT DAMN YOU

    by SRIV

    i really do think that if he changed ep.vi slightly from revenge of the jedi to return. lucas should change ep2 to 'ASSAULT' OF THE CLONES not Attack(!)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Three words for most talkbackers: Thankless Asshole Ingrates

    by Smeg For Brains

    If you didn't like TPM thats too bad. Don't like this title? TOO FUCKING BAD! Now shut the fuck up! Either people like it or not, but one thing is universal. No one gives a shit what anyone else thinks about it! Why all this bullshit?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 3: JarJar Saves the Day!

    by scortch

    Could happen!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:49 p.m. CST

    by Lee_R

    I didn't know they made Diet Mountain Dew.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The Clone Who Ate Cleveland

    by Cajun Lightning

    I think a big reason why this title is getting such a negative reaction is that Lucas has sort of put a lot of pomp and circumstance into the revelation of the titles as of late. I can't remember if he did the same thing with the first 3 cause I was too young but when you act all secretive about it, intentionally leak false information, build it up to the point that it gets a headline on Yahoo news when I booted it up today and then the big title turns out to be Attack of the Clones....there is really no other way to react other than to bust up laughing. To me it seems to indicate that Lucas may actually have a sense of humor. Some people think that doesn't really belong in Star Wars, at least that blatantly, but I think it's kinda cool of Lucas to pull something like this. Unless of course, he honestly thinks this title is a serious, intellectual choice. Then he is just a crazy old man afterall.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:51 p.m. CST

    The Clone Who Ate Cleveland

    by Cajun Lightning

    I think a big reason why this title is getting such a negative reaction is that Lucas has sort of put a lot of pomp and circumstance into the revelation of the titles as of late. I can't remember if he did the same thing with the first 3 cause I was too young but when you act all secretive about it, intentionally leak false information, build it up to the point that it gets a headline on Yahoo news when I booted it up today and then the big title turns out to be Attack of the Clones....there is really no other way to react other than to bust up laughing. To me it seems to indicate that Lucas may actually have a sense of humor. Some people think that doesn't really belong in Star Wars, at least that blatantly, but I think it's kinda cool of Lucas to pull something like this. Unless of course, he honestly thinks this title is a serious, intellectual choice. Then he is just a crazy old man afterall.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: The Clone Conspiracy

    by Doctor Gonzo

    NOW THAT'S A KICK-ASS TITLE!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:13 p.m. CST

    SEND IN THE CLONES... WHERE ARE THE CLONES?

    by dutchgirl

    Hey, it simply is not possible that this movie can be worse than that whatever that first one was... what was it called? "revenge of the digital revolution"? The title is the least of my worries but the fact it is soooooo bad does not bode well and simply reinforces my already growing belief that george lucas has had himself cloned and some latent "bad taste and no artistic integrity" gene has been activated. whatever... we'll wait and see won't we. i'm so depressed..........

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Harry, I totally agree...

    by Lenonn

    ... the more I here it, the more I like it. And I liked it from the start. I just hope the film is as awesome as you make it sound here. You're right, these clones are not sheep.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Can we just get a petition going...

    by krackato

    Look the name sucks. Obviously it should have been Episode II: The Clone Wars. Let's just get a petition started and be amazed when it does nothing.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Picky, picky...

    by Timequake

    My question is this: Could Lucas have possibly picked a title such that hundreds of "devoted fans" would not bombard AICN with complaints?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:33 p.m. CST

    we're being played?

    by XManEDS

    Yes... but i was VERY happy when they relented and brought back CLASSIC COKE ! ! DreadfullySick wrote: We're all being played here. Lucas and his people put out this bogus title and everyone gets upset. Fanmail, petitions, cats and dogs living together, total mayhem! And then, in a noble response to fan reaction, they change the title before too long to something simple like "The Clone Wars". And the crowd goes wild! It's brilliant. But we're still being played. -Dread

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I wish somebody would clone...

    by Comedian

    Lawrence Kasdan and Irwin Kirshner to get us out of this mess. George Lucas never has and never will be a great director. He's a genius when it comes to imaginative ideas and bold technical concepts but other than that the guy has no idea how to work with actors and tell a story. He's so out of touch that he doesn't realise WHO his audience is for these films. The people who are die hard into Star Wars are the people who grew up with it. And NO we are not all pathetic 300lb, 35 yr old paperboys who live in our parents basement, living on a steady diet of Mountain Dew, Hot pockets and Nachos. Most of us are perfectly normal people in our mid to late twenties with jobs, apartments and girlfriends who just want to see some cool lightsaber fights , watch a star destroyer get blown up and see some sappy romance and high drama thrown in. We don't mind cheesy dialogue or goofy named characters. The appeal of the original trilogy is that it wowed ALL age groups especially adolescents and teenagers. Instead of making these kind of movie Lucas has somehow gotten it in his head that he should make Star Wars for 8 year olds. Which is pretty lame since he could get much better box office if only he knew who his audience really was. Yeah, I know he's gotten over a billion already from The Phantom Crapfest but he could have easily doubled or even trippled the Box Office if the film actually had legs (which it really didn't). It's also lame since he's making these movies for a generation who really couldn't give a fuck about Star Wars. Both of my nephews, ages 13 & 17 think Star Wars(the original "good" trilogy) is the most boring ass shit they've ever seen. Most 8 yr olds would rather go see the Matrix than see Jar Jar Binks do his "Exqueese Me" schtick. Is Lucas really such a fat, out of touch hermit that he can't see that? Somebody get this guy layed quick. Bottom Line is Phantom Menace made the shit load it did because there was a 16 year wait for it so no matter how shitty it was people were still going to see it. Next year if Lucas doesn't get his shit together there is no way this flick will do that kind of box office. It will do a strong opening weekend(what event movie doesn't) but if it's more of that same G-rated crap most of the hardcore fans will see it once and only once and his "target" audience wont even bother with it because they have no real loyalty to it. They'll go see Neo, Morpheus and Spidey three times a piece. And then maybe Lucas will learn his lesson. The saddest irony when you really think about Lucas is that out his entire generation(Coppola, Scorcese, Spielberg, Friedkin, Rafelson, Polanski etc) who spent most of the Seventies trying to gain complete creative freedom from studio nitwits to make the films that they wanted to make HE was the one who succeeded in gaining total autonomy and his films (the ones he directs anyway)are so sappy, so goddamn out of touch that you wish Fox would take them out of his hands.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Well, at least Matrix II has a better title...

    by jollydwarf

    And that's all we have to go on right now, so I'm not even going to try to guess the superior movie. But I don't think that the starwars.com explanation really pacifies anyone's disgust and smoothes over one's incredulity. So what if it's referencing the serial films of yesteryear. I would hope that Georgie Porgie knows that many alienated fans of the series that were willing to give it another go with Ep II to redeem "TPM" are now, as my roommate said "probably not going to see it." Sure, he'll see it, but why even think about vaguely pissing off those that will see it again and again and again. Sure, the movie (not the title) could kick ass, but this is not the right way to start making amends. Look, after baseball, America's pasttime, had its strike in '94, it took a captivating homerun chase between Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa to bring most of the disenchanted back. Lucas made the wrong move. THIS TITLE IS NOT GOING TO GROW ON EVERYONE. Some, but not everyone. Why can't he reference his childhood films without cranking up the 'shit factor' to eleven? I have not heard one person say anything good about this. I trust Ewan's tastes, too. Georgie, are you gonna kick Ewan out of Episode III? Maybe you can still get Kenneth Branaugh or maybe even Val Kilmer. He's pretty good at filling in in a sinking franchise. But really, just make the last one "Star Wars Episode III: Day of the Dwarf", with the one and only Beetlejuice! Then, maybe, just maybe, I'll be at piece that you've completely lost your mind. ATTACK OF THE CLONES IS THE SUBTITLE FOR A MEL BROOKS SPACEBALLS PREQUEL!!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by jollydwarf

    I meant "at peace", not "at piece" in my earlier post. See how flustered this has gotten me?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:44 p.m. CST

    The real offense here...

    by Empyreal

    is the group who seems to be insinuating that all the backlash against the title here is from spoiled little brats who are too hung up on "cool" things like the matrix, and the gap. The 'us and them' idiocy of that kind of labelling is more than embarassing to other, more intelligent members of our species. Personally, I have artistic differences with what the title suggests. Titles like The Empire Strikes Back, while it borders on being ominous to the point of being silly, it doesn't quite slip into camp. Return of the Jedi's not a bad title at all. But Attack of the Clones is pure camp for exactly the reason that Jr. Mintz has mentioned, and that is that clones don't "attack". It's like calling the movie "Attack of the Midichlorians". There comes a point when any artist must recognize the direction his own art is going and submit to it, rather than try to control it. George may have been going for an old serial like Buck Rogers or whatever, but what he's created is more in line with mythology, seasoned, not overwhelmed, with a sense of irony and fun. This is not selling out. Selling out is creating what the masses want in order to make a profit. Selling out is submitting to the almighty dollar. What George needs to do is to step back and look at his series here, and recognize what it is that his movie WANTS to be, what would make it all make sense. And no, I am not an Episode I basher, I do not go to the gap, I think the Matrix (apart from it's brief and refreshing dive into philosophy) left much to be desired, and I really don't care much for Limp Bizkit.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:50 p.m. CST

    My experts say...

    by cslemp

    I have a 6, 7, and 9 year old at my house. All three loved Jar-Jar. When I told them the news of the title, they shrugged and said "sounds cool." In fact, the 7 year old was more concerned about Obi-Wan's beard than the title. 'Nuff said. I don't like the title much, but I'm not 8 years old, which is George's audience. Us grown-up 8-yr-olds (read "fanboys") seem to have lost the ability to see with young eyes... yet again. That unfortunately seems to include me.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show... I should really just re

    by iamdeadfish

    The immortal words of the MST3K theme song have never rang so true!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I agree sucky title

    by ShadowEmpire

    May as well call it: Star Wars Attack of the Killer Clones or better yet, Star Wars Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:05 p.m. CST

    CAN'T SLEEP CLONES WILL EAT ME

    by tensticks

    *sigh* one of TWO "clones"/"clowns" wordplays I hadn't seen yet. the other will follow....they are all i have to offer this topic....

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:06 p.m. CST

    SHAKES THE CLONE

    by tensticks

    there, that's number 2. and that's all i have to say about that. (see previous post if you don't get it.)

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:07 p.m. CST

    I love it

    by Aurelfell

    Harry's right. Star Wars has always had a but of a silly-fun aura about it. "Attack of the Clones" might sound a bit more silly than fun, but how does "The Empire Strikes Back" sound if you forget the film and just listen to th title?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:12 p.m. CST

    A True Story

    by mr stay puft

    Conversation with my 5 yr old son, who worships all things "Star Wars". Me: The new Star Wars movie is going to be called "Attack of the Clones." 10 seconds of stunned silence. Son: Thats a funny title. Is it like a guy who puts smelly stuff on and then stinks so people run away. Me: No. That would be "Attack of the Cologne." Son: Yeah. That would be funnier.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:17 p.m. CST

    ...Besides it pisses off so many, and that rules!

    by Mr Atoz

    You said it!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I get it, Lucas has lost his mind! It all makes sense now.

    by Orwellian

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:24 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is a FRAUD!

    by Steve_The_Hutt

    George Lucas did NOT create "Star Wars". It was the team of George Lucas, Gary Kurtz, and George's ex Marcia who were the genius behind the orginals. By himself he's no genius, and he's gotten too big on himself to acknowledge that. Shame, shame, shame on you, arrogant jerk, for ruining what was once something good. BTW has anyone seen Mad TV's take on George Lucas? I thought it was chillingly accurate.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:25 p.m. CST

    What If Lucas Threw a Title Out There To Judge The Reaction?

    by jollydwarf

    Yeah, like that's gonna happen. But for those of you who can at least see yourself probably liking it down the line, would you vote for it or tell Lucas to a.) go to detox or b.) go get some serious drugs? Some of you defend it by saying that Lucas is obviously trying to avoid being overly serious and contemporary 'cool.' So either he's suddenly making light of the movies, especially since things are going to 'get a lot darker' or he actually believes it's the bizomb title. Either way, "I have a bad feeling about this." Mockery or Insanity. Insanity or Mockery. It seems that everyone can agree that it's one of these two. I mean, really! Kevin Smith's got the best Star Wars title out there right now! P.S. If Ewan hates it, is Sam Jackson being talked off a bridge right now? "I was in Pulp Fiction, motherfuckers! I know good pulp fiction!!! Now let me die!"

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Akira Kurosawa is dead, so now Lucas has no one to steal from an

    by Orwellian

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:34 p.m. CST

    ATTACK OF THE CLONES for Dummies

    by eyefordetail

    STAR WARS is the name of a film SERIES. The subtitle for each film (ESB,ROTJ,etc.) are just that. EPISODE titles which, if you happen to read, can span a wide range of styles. Get it? George Lucas knows exactly what he is doing. The popularity of his product with the very people who post here proves that (not to mention his bank account!). Now, it the words of William Shatner, "Get a life!"

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    revisionist history

    by DinoBass

    Star Wars was a fun movie with a stupid title. Empire and Jedi, in turn, were made because Star wars was such a huge success, not because Lucas had this huge space opera in mind from the beginning. Especially during Jedi it was becoming apparent how thin the material was getting. The reason TPM blew chunks and I hold out no hope for the next two films is that Lucas is making this up as goes along, and he ran out of cool ideas right after Empire. All of the talk about Joseph Campbell and mythic archetypes and heroic journeys is just bullshit after the fact, people (including Lucas) trying to sell us some crap that Star Wars is something other than mindless entertainment that sold a lot of tickets. "Attack of the Clones" sounds like what I would expect from a guy who's been trying to stretch this stuff out now for a quarter century.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Episode III will be subtitled "The Sinister Hand of Doom"

    by VarietyWriter

    ...Or something like that. One thing I would like to point out: "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" were regarded and advertised at the time of their release as THE titles for those films -- and "Star Wars" was promoted as the title for the original film, which we regard now as "A New Hope." (Yes, ESB and ROTJ are subtitles for the whole Star Wars saga, but back then these names weren't promoted that way.) It's only been since the release of the Special Editions of the original trilogy that Lucas has re-branded all the movies, emphasizing the "Episode INSERT ROMAN NUMERAL" format. He's engaging in revisionist history, folks, and it's surprising and somewhat unsettling how easily most of you have apparently forgotten.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 5:48 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU MR. LUCAS!

    by Seward

    The last time I laughed this much at something posted here was when Harry posted that pic from Battlefield Earth where Travolta has those great big boots on, with his wee little arms looking so out of place. "Attack of the Clones" should keep me amused for at least a year! How the mighty have fallen.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah right, The Matrix Reloaded is a clever and original title.

    by Brian 2000

    Anything with the word "load" in it makes me think of shit. AOTC may not be ideal, but its not as bad as Matrix Reloaded in my opinion. And you know what? I'm glad Ewan HATES the title. It proves that when he said Episode II had a great script he wasn't a kiss ass. Thats right he said the script was great (much, much better than TPM's he said) , and obviously Ewan is not one to give us Hollywood bullshit.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:09 p.m. CST

    The World's Fastest Filker already has a new song about EP 2....

    by filker-tom

    I gotta tell ya -- I see Harry's point, I see LucasFilm's point... and it's still a dumb title. Episode 2: The Clone Wars would've been abso-fraggin-lutely perfect. But nooooo.... That having been said, I was inspired within moments of finding out the title. The results are here: http://www.tomsmithonline.com/lyrics/attack_of_the_clones.htm

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:21 p.m. CST

    This post will be passed over anyway

    by GundamBadtz

    At this point no one cares anyway, but I have to say it. Yea, Empire Strikes Back sounds silly. Yes, Return of the Jedi, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, A New Hope, yes! They all sound silly. But "Attack of the Clones" is far and away the winner for silliest damn Lucas title of all time! Yes, it harkens back to the serials of old. Fine, fine, who gives a f***? But Attack of the Clones? It's silly as hell! You can sit in your chair and tell yourslef you're smarter than all of us for as long as you like, but in the end you have to admit.. no matter how much of a throwback to the days of old it is, it still sounds like shit! Return of the Jedi is silly but cool. This is just silly and nothing else! In my opinion, considering that Lucas batted less than .500 with episode 1, he should have done everything in his power to hit a critical homerun with ep. 2 and this is not a good start. Tell yourslef whatever you want, there are a hundred other silly titles he could have picked besides this one.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Remember how "Revenge of the Jedi" became "Return of the Jedi" b

    by Petros000

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:52 p.m. CST

    B-movie Title?

    by chiba1975

    What the hell is Lucas thinking? There's no doubt that previous SW titles were a little silly, but this takes the cake...Has there ever been a movie that starts with "Attack of the" that wasn't pure cheddar? Think about it people - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Attack of the Killer Lunas, Attack of the 50 Foot Woman! What's wrong with The Clone Wars?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Summation

    by epitone

    If you like the title, you are one of those obsessive fans who thinks that Lucas can do no wrong, and therefore have no life. If you hate the title, you are one of those relentless hatemongers intent on ridiculing everything Lucas has done since Return of the Jedi, and therefore have no life. If, after careful consideration, you have decided you are neutral about the title, then you have thought about it way too much, and therefore have no life. If you don't know what the title is yet, you obviously don't have access to the internet and therefore have no life.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 6:59 p.m. CST

    How about, Episode II: Send in the Clones!

    by ballista

    I'm just kidding... Harry has a good explaination for the title. I agree with him.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:01 p.m. CST

    OH NO!! ATTACK OF THE 10,000 JAR JAR CLONES!!!!

    by mrhappy

    Fat Lucas sucks.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:22 p.m. CST

    You'll get over it

    by jedieb

    Yeah, I laughed when I first heard the title. But it'll grow on me and eventually we'll all just accept it. It's not that big of a deal. But if you think that there's some chance Lucas is changing the title then you're deluding yourself. That whole Revenge of the Jedi name change is a myth. The title never had Revenge in it. Lucas and his braintrust cooked up that fake title along with Blue Harvest to keep fans, the media, and bootleggers guessing. The only reason Revenge made it on to some posters, patches, and a trailer is because some marketing people at Fox jumped the gun. That's the ONLY reason. The title is NOT getting changed, deal with it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Attack of the Killer Clones from Outer Space

    by Triumph

    Would have been a better title! I think George hates Star Wars, hates the fans, hates that he's obligated to make these movies, and at this point he's just playing with the fans since he knows they'll watch whatever shit he spews on the screen. He'd rather be off making Howard the Duck meets THX1138. We're all fucked!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:49 p.m. CST

    It's a gimmick...

    by Naked Yossarian.

    O.K. this is what's really happening...they release this crap title for the movie...let all the scammers looking to make a buck create their t-shirts, etc...and then release the real title...you know, the really cool one that we were all expecting...oh well, at least The Two Towers can't be screwed up...

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 7:54 p.m. CST

    hey big guy

    by kojiro

    I thought you were serious about cutting the weight? Cut out the damn sodas. I spoke with a nutritionist (is that what they call themselves) once upon a time and he mentioned that whenever he mentions cutting out sodas from ones diet people tend to giuve hima blank stare. We just don't realize how much crap is in those fuckers.----Hey, on the bright side at least all the Star Wars fans can't keep bitching about how much you hate the lucas, the movies, and what a horrid traitor you are to The Cause.--------Which brings me to my next topic, an address to those who feel compelled to contine reminding us (as though we didn't understand the first thousand times) that the Star Wars movies belong to Lucas and he can do whatever he wants to them. No shit, no one here is a dirty commie so back the fuck off. Point is, everyone has the right to criticize and say that, although this is how lucas is doing it I/we/whatever think it should be done this way.-------Another thing, and this goes to all those saying that this title is good because it's a serial title. Try a little game, write down a short declaritive statement, then write, in front of that statement Star Wars Episode two:... Guess what that looks like, a serial title like any other. That's all a serial title is folks, a short declaritive statement about the subject of the serial. Keep trying it, it'll keep working. that the title is indeed a serial title doesn't mean that it is a good title itself. There is one positive side of this title though, its sheer cheese factor will cost Lucas tens of millions at the BO, perhaps a full hundred. And even if he realizes it he won't change the title because he would see that as caving in.------ I swear, stupidity will never cease to amuse me.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I should commit seppuku in shame

    by kojiro

    Too many typos in that post.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Attack of the 'killer' Clones

    by Airrex

    What's in a name? EVERYTHING!!! Now, I'm not some Stars Wars diehard whose life hinges on every little nuance Lucas puts into his little creation, but I am an avid sci-fi fan, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Forbidden Planet" being among my favorites. Sure, when you take a look back the dialogue of the first three films was at times laughable, but they were just minor inconveniences to a greater adventure. But Lucas is putting this crap into the TITLE! In the shadow of that putrid, smoldering, heaping helping of a dog turd, "Phantom Menace", this does not bode well. I don't know where you think people just believe cloning is just...sheep. With movies like "The Stepford Wives", "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (original and the Donald Sutherland remake) and the clone episodes in the "X-Files" television series, I assure you it isn't and a lot of people don't either, especially in the world of science fiction fandom. Now, the titles I listed as some of my favorite sci-fi sounded a bit over dramatic, that's because in their day that's what made the sale. I'm sure you've seen the old trailers, people shocked and amazed, words dramatically splashed across the screen as if someone literally threw them. They were the thought provoking thrillers of their time. But we live in a different era of sci-fi now. When I hear "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones", I think, "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes", I hear, "Invasion of the Bee Girls". I think, camp, as in campy, as in, "not good" for a series that has rerouted science fiction movies into a new and bright direction only to faulter with this ill-conceived blunder. With "Killer Clowns from Outer Space", about to hit the DVD market, I'm supposed to take this title seriously? Give me a break! This movie is following "Phantom Mence", THE menace in the Star Wars mythology. In the end, I'll probably see it, but that title doesn't help me look forward to it. If it is bad, hopefully it'll die a quick and merciful (for us all) death.

  • If Geoge Lucas named the movie about what he was really thinking about the fans

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I'm with Harry on this one....

    by glen

    ....I LOVE this title. It says "Action!" with a capital "a"...and besides, it does what a good title should do....it gets people talking. I can't wait to see the AOTC!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:47 p.m. CST

    by Darth Ranik

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:48 p.m. CST

    How about Episode II Attack of the Clone Warriors?

    by Darth Ranik

    that sounds better doesn't it?

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 8:57 p.m. CST

    epitone, a telling post

    by kojiro

    I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.------OrionsAngel...we baptize thee in the name of Kurosawa, Hitchcock, and the holy Welles. Welcome to the light my son, go forth among the heathens and spread the good word, namely...When someone shoves shit in your face tis better to turn the back of your hand rather than the other cheek.-----Isn't Rocker Doctor funny, pretending that everyone doesn't know that filmjerk does that kind of thing all the time.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Return of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones

    by horror vacui

    The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones (Episode III) A New Hope The Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi Anyone spot any good titles? I mean ones that don't have any sentimental value that has been burned on to their brains after years and years of watching and rewatching the movies? I didn't think so. Save for two words in each, ROTJ and AOTC have the same flow. Now, I doubt anyone has any trouble with the word 'Attack', so it must be 'Clones'. And I think we've all already heard what there is to say about the cynical thoughts about the word 'Clone' that we've all had impressed upon us. It's not a bad title, it's a StarWars title. Campy, yes, but they all are, so shut it.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:31 p.m. CST

    why not just call it I WAS A TEENAGE DARTH VADER

    by bingoguy

    I see what george is going for but the title is just bad

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:36 p.m. CST

    starwars episode 2 title

    by dizzit

    i think the title is a fake one, i heard that we don,t even see the clone wars in this one, that at the very end of 2 yoda says the, clone wars have just started,so that means we don,t see, the clone wars until episode3, so the title makes no sense.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Who Cares What We Think

    by joeClone

    I'm just as emotionally invested in Episode II as the next geek, but for christ's sake, it's a science fantasy serial...Attack of the Clones is totally appropriate. Also, everyone who is bitching so much should make and name their own damn movie and leave Lucas alone for once.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Who Cares What We Think

    by joeClone

    I'm just as emotionally invested in Episode II as the next geek, but for christ's sake, it's a science fantasy serial...Attack of the Clones is totally appropriate. Also, everyone who is bitching so much should make and name their own damn movie and leave Lucas alone for once.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I just want the DVDs

    by ProFromDover

    Forget the prequels, I just want the original DVD series. Damnit Lucas, you used to be cool.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Gee you all seem so appreciative of George Lucas, what a surpris

    by Cruel Shoes

    Everybody should fuck off.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:35 p.m. CST

    your ridiculous reactions.

    by thehoaryhosts

    Wow, it's surprising how quickly blind faith can turn into knee-jerk antipathy. Episode II could be the greatest film of all time and you kids would still hate it and persist in hurling the same old unoriginal insults at George Lucas. Episode I was not a "turd", or a "pile of dung", or any other sort of feces-related matter; what it was was a flawed yet still thoroughly entertaining swashbuckling action-adventure flick. Sure, Jar Jar was annoying, and that kid couldn't act, but you know what, the only folks in Star Wars who could act either spoke in British accents or dubbed their lines over the actions of some guy who's signing autographs down at the Mariott near the airport this weekend. I would say that as annoying as Jar Jar is, Luke is at least half as annoying, especially in Star Wars (yeah, that's right, Star Wars, not "A New Hope", thank you very much). But despite these flaws, the elements all combined to form one god-damn great way to kill an afternoon. Episode I might have been off the mark, but it was not in any way terrible, or embarrassing, or memory-scarring, or any of that non-sensical melodramatic crap folks have been spewing for over two years now. And it completely kicked the shit out of the Matrix, a sub-par SciFi Channel quality flick that would be nothing without its music video special effects. Shit, you all talk about how silly and goofy the new Star Wars name is - is it really any goofier than characters named Trinity, or Neo, or Flick, or any of that other Matrix falderol? Come on, 99% of science fiction is certifiable crap; Star Wars has yet to fall to that level, and I think that deep down you all realize that.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:36 p.m. CST

    The clones will attack!

    by DaMENACE

    Stop the whining and moaning and bitching and petitions and all of the utter pathetic geek fanboy nonesense over the title of the movie. Stop it! You are working yourself into a fit for absolutely no reason. <p>Think about it... THE CLONES ARE GOING TO ATTACK!!! It's the Attack of the Clones! They are attacking! Look out... ATTACK OF THE CLONES. It's a clone attack! It's just a title. <p>I personally like it. I mean for christ's sakes I know that 10 months from now, my ass is going to be seated in the local theater waiting for the clones to attack. I know clones are attacking... I'm happy they are attacking... the clones are going to serve up an ass whooping. <p>You are all going to be sitting there with me... having just purchased all the geeky ass "Attack of the Clones" crap you can get your hands on... having just played the soundtrack for "Attack of the Clones" for the 20th time... having taken time off from work so you could see it at noon, or have stayed up way past your bedtime to see it at midnight... having typed the acronym "SW:AOTC" about two billion times on message boards and the like... having geeked out every time "Attack of the Clones" gets mentioned because you just can't wait for May 2002 anymore... <p>The bad taste of the title disappears in about a week. I know it did after we found out "The Phantom Menace"... I remember how it felt awkward at first to say the title... It was an odd-ass title for a Star Wars movie. But once you start using it again and again and again and again and again, it will become synonomus with Star Wars. Its only been a couple days, but once the shock wears off it will be music to the ears. <p>I'm sure all you Star Wars fanboy bashers are pleased as punch about another dorky title from Lucas. Bash us all you want, because we don't care. We have no shame after Jar Jar.... no shame at all.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I think the Comic Book Shop Guy (from the Simpsons) would put it

    by Johnny Dagger

    Worst! Title! EVER! I'd love to meet George Lucas, so I could ask him just what it was like to be such a greedy, out-of-touch bastard who has no respect for the fans that made him a billionaire. Oh, and a quick poll: who was surprised that Harry defended Lucas? I thought so. Your marking out for all things Lucas is blinding you Harry! Quick, become as cynical and disenfranchised as the rest of us, before it's too late!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:22 p.m. CST

    There's still hope...

    by Absinthe-Minded

    At the official site, when the "II" icon is highlighted the new title is not displayed (as it is with the I, IV, V and VI icons). Probably just an oversight that will be fixed in the future, but it does make the new title seem less "final".

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:28 p.m. CST

    THE OFFICIAL CLONES SITE!! check it out

    by Dave2G

    So I did a google search of AOTC and found the ORIGINAL AOTC site. Lucas RIPPED these guys off... check it out: http://www.redmeltdown.net/clones/

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:33 p.m. CST

    The Empire Strikes Back is a goofy title, but the movie backs it

    by Jonus511

    I think the title on its own is goofy and campy. But, if the story and the movie is made well, like the Empire Strikes Back, then the words will mean something. I mean, The Empire Strikes is goofy, but the movie shows how it strikes back, and the dark tale therein gives the title a its character. If this movie kicks ass, and the actual attacking of the clones is a cool thing to see, then the title will mean something, and we will be happy with it...but the Phantom Menace just sucks....

  • First, let me say that I always thought the fans created titles for Ep.II (Rise o/t Empire) & Ep.III (Fall o/t Jedi) were fantastic, & as much as I wanted the title "The Clone Wars", it would've sounded ridiculous. Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Two "Wars" in 1 title--not good. Imagine if Ep.VI had been called THE Return of THE Jedi. Using "THE" twice? Stupid. Anyway, is AOTC a title I'm happy with? No. Why? B/c it doesn't have a serious ring to it. It doesn't sound like a SW chapter title; it sounds exactly like Lucasfilms press release says it wants to be, like a movie straight out of the 1940's or 50's. And personally, even though allot of those movies were cool, they're campy, & I've always hated when SW was thought of as CAMP. Considering how much I love the trilogy, when I used to hear people describe it as nothing more than a film that should be apart of a bargain Saturday afternoon cheesefest really P.O'd me as a kid. As an adult, I could care less what other people think of the trilogy that brought me so much joy as a child. I love them & that's all that matters. However, even though I immediately feel in love with SW during the first few seconds of Ep.IV, it was "Empire" that really hooked me for life. The seriousness of it all. The way it went from feeling like fun joyride in the first film to being about Responsibility, Friendship, Love, Trust, Belief, Betrayal, Lost & ultimately Truth. The truth about ones self, family & friends. That's what hooked me, so after hearing Lucas say long ago that Ep.II would be darker in tone, I was thrilled. Could it bring SW back to being the fun yet serious epic tale I've always viewed it as? Would it trade in "Furry Teddy Bears" in exchange for Murderous Clones? Can it make the entire SW universe GREAT again? Perhaps, if there's a decent script this time. See, after the rather juvenile Ep.I debacle, I was hoping SW would get back on the track of taking itself seriously again...like Empire. But perhaps that's Lucas' message to the fans. To loosen up. That perhaps fans are taking SW Waaaay too seriously & not experiencing what he originally created it for...to be fun. If anyone out there has the SW Box Set that was released around 1988-89, on the side of the box, Lucas says that he set out to create a "Modern Fairy Tale." Well, fairy tales can be serious, but they're also supposed to give you that feeling of adventure & fun. That even if the hero dies at the end, it's a tale you'd gladly read over & over. A tale you'd eagerly pass on to your kids & their kids & so on. STAR WARS will always be the title of ALL the movies for me, when anyone asks "Which one?" I'll simply reply with the chapter title. But for now, I'll just pray that the FILM ITSELF is better than the title on the poster. I'm not going to see this film next year to experience a great one-sheet moment. After all, what would you rather have? A great title for a bad film or a bad title for a great film? I can live with a crappy title, a crappy SW film, well, that's what'll kill SW more than anything. Besides, if the movie's great, no one will even give a Wampa's Ass about the title. In comparison, "The Phantom Menace" isn't such a bad title, but look at the movie. Sheesh!

  • Think about it thats all they do here. They see that there's actually filmakers out there that are willing to create cool Sci-fi/fantasy/fiction movies for us and all they do is trash and insult them with these negative ATTACKS! Not only that they can't even create there own opinion's they have to CLONE others. "Attack of the 50 ft. Woman" "When Clones Attack" "Killer Clones from Outerspace" are just some of the overused cloned comments I've seen over and over here. Create your own damn comments. Also, why has the word Clone become so funny to you fucks? You knew the Clone Wars were coming it's not like Lucas was suprising your geeky asses. The truth is most of these Talkbacker, or Clones, are shit starters and love to create chaos in these type of forums just to see the reactions of others, thats all. They know they like the title and they know they're going to be waiting in line opening day when the movie comes out. Anyways as for me, The title is just fine, It may not be the greatest title in the word but it's far from ridiculous. This has always and will always be George Lucas's Space Saga. He has named all the characters, he has named all the Planets, all the vehicles and all the TITLES and you love it, you know you do, you eat his shit up. Lucas is the creater or Star Wars NOT US! All you Clones should be ashamed of yourselves for treating the one person, that brought you Star Wars , the Indianna Jones films and inspired many of today's Sci-fi filmakes, like shit.

  • Aug. 7, 2001, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Geeks are the most worthless human beings

    by EPdefender

    The title sounds cheesy and corny, but who the fuck cares, its just a damn movie. If you guys hate EVERYTHING, just go commit suicide. The world will be a better place.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Harry hits the nail on the freakin head

    by 2112syrinx

    Hey, I gotta say Harry's got it right here. Regardless of how much you bitter, infantile biatches want to hate Star Wars and Lucas (hereafter referred to as THE MAN) if you deny the logic of what Harrys got happenin up top you're not using your nuggets. I have to admit, I was pretty lukewarm to the title, too, at first...and I'm a PROUD SW geek...dont get me started, I could rant about the films for DAYS! But after +THINKING+ about it for a bit, and coming to the same conclusion that Harry has, I have to say that not only do I now DIG the title, but I think it aggrandizes the film and its plot. One more thing: BILL HICKS. If you know the name, good for you goatlover. If not, LOOK IT UP.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 12:36 a.m. CST

    All on my clone.

    by gainesy

    If,just if this turns out to be the best episode so far, people will forget about the silly title and hail Lucas king again.I hope the "Clone Attack" is mind blowing with a story to match.I for one can't wait.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:19 a.m. CST

    I don't even think the dumbest of kids enjoyed Episode One

    by hktelemacher

    I caught THX-1138 for the first time on the Sci-Fi channel the other night. I made myself sit through it, hoping that it might get better, but it didn't. I was glued to the television hoping that the last three minutes might really turn it around. But it never turned around. That's like a metaphor for everyone's relationship with Star Wars now. We're just hoping and praying that Lucas can magically pull something out of his hat and wow us the way he did when we were all a little less jaded. Lucas is not a good filmmaker. He's a decent, yet derivative, storyteller who has a bland visual style but a knack for special effects and mass audience appeal. People calling THX-1138 a brilliant piece of filmmaking confuse ambiguity with insight, but Lucas was at least trying for subtext and deeper meaning. And while I love American Graffiti, it's a disjointed little piece of nostalgia with some great episodes in an uneven whole, but with a good sucker punch at the end that brings you back down to earth. But Lucas had co-writers, who also rewrote some of ANH, which in itself is not a great film, but has a sense of fun and excitement that even today pervades the medium and is the model of how movies of it's kind should be. Just fluffy fun. The SW sequels were helmed by others, and Lucas' absence from the director's chair is not missed. With The Phantom Menace, Lucas proves that he was better when he was starving, as not having countless millions of dollars and an unlimited timeframe required creativity and innovation, and even inspired spontanaeity and improvisation. Everything about the Star Wars prequels is pre-planned and pre-packaged, and it is the fault of the amazing special effects that Lucas helped pioneer. The by-the-book way that Lucas writes and directs his pictures is exactly what many filmmakers of his generation rebelled against, but he makes films I can only describe as gray. Gray in tone and presentation, and always uneven. Even ANH and AG, his two (out of four) good movies, display these characteristics. The magic of Star Wars began with him but was immediately taken over by the die-hard fans and the countless other artists who pour themselves into it for Lucas without much recognition. I'm not familiar with the comic books or video games or other merchandise of the past quarter-century, but Star Wars became a group effort with the Empire Strikes Back, and it thrived until Lucas released The Phantom Menace. People use high expectations to excuse the poor quality of the film - but all of the comics, novels and video games were well-received. What was the difference? Just some new shit to come out. But we can excuse Lucas' foray into filmmaking if the sequels can deliver the punch of Ep's 5 and 6. Granted, Lucas was an integral part to the production of both Star Wars sequels, but he didn't do the actual directing and he had a brilliant co-writer in Lawrence Kasdan. Lucas should have stayed away from directing the two prequel sequels, as I think his talents lie not in the production of a film, but in overseeing and handing the actual duties to a FILMmaker, and not a video game maker. I was relieved when a co-writer was brought on board Episode 2, but Lucas' decision to direct brought me back down again. In the 20 year gap between ANH and TPM when Lucas directed nothing, the medium changed, partially thanks to Lucas, but Lucas didn't co-evolve, and if he wants to retain his gray artistic vision that's fine, but he's no longer making good movies, it seems like he's making run-of-the-mill summer blockbusters. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan - I don't feel like I'm owed a good movie from Lucas, but so many people are of the belief that Lucas owes them something. Lucas is a bad filmmaker who comes up with good stories, but can't execute them well to save his life. Characterization, story flow, tone - none of it seems present in a Lucas-directed film. I might be missing something, but the prequels are sucking the magic from the original trilogy. Not by virute of their presence, but in the way that Lucas feels the need to demistify the story and explain everything. TPM was nothing more than a hopped-up feature-length cartoon. If AOTC sucks, all of the rabid Star Wars philes out there won't shut up about it for years to come. If Lucas is directing, I expect nothing good, nothing bad, just somewhere in the middle. Maybe he's just making the prequels to increase the video sales of the first trilogy - a lot of folks might prefer to buy those if the prequels continue to disappoint.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:27 a.m. CST

    So What's next?

    by Wert

    Star Wars Episode III: When Jedis Attack! Or maybe Star Wars Episode III: Wookies are from Mars, Clones are From Venus

  • IS THIS GUY SO OLD AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY TO COME UP WITH SUCH A CRAPPY NAME... FUCK MAN, MY GRAND MOTHER COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT!!! LUCAS YOU SUCK!!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Bottom Line

    by Buck_Turgidson

    If the movie's good, it will legitimize a crappy title. How many of you would have gone to "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" with no more than the name to go on? The opposite is also true--"Armageddon" is a pretty cool name for a movie, but we all know how that one turned out (except for Harry, of course). That being said, the movie will likely be more mechanical, soulless output from uneditedlucasego.exe. The man is now a pure marketing machine, amazingly out-of-touch with what made his films appealing in the first place.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:02 a.m. CST

    THAT FAT FURRY LITTLE MAN HAS DONE IT AGAIN!!!

    by jeffmaul

    MY GRANDAMA COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER NAME THAN THAT!!!LUCAS YOU SUCK!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:20 a.m. CST

    You lost me, George

    by Playa-Hata

    Well I didn't think it was possible but my faith in the Star Wars institution has been completely tarnished. I am still reeling from the debacle that is TPM (let's just fast-forward to the final fight scene shall we?). Attack of the Clones? Is that going to be made available with such classics as 'When Animals Attack' and 'Mars Attacks!'? Both are respectible movies in their own rights, but at least they don't make any attempt to be taken seriously. Hopefully Ep. II can restore the faith I previously had in the Star Wars saga, but with 'Attack of the Clones' you're on strike 2 George. btw: Is putting mullets and rat tails on the Jedi supposed to turn me to the dark side?

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Send in The Clones

    by JonBoySW

    Oh dear or dear oh dear

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 4:17 a.m. CST

    attack of the clones

    by sonofduffman

    the title sounds like a bad b-movie but its just a title. episode II doesnt have to have a cool title, it just has to be good, as good as the originals. if its as bad as the shit-nugget phantom menace, then just tell everyone you know not to see it. pm was bad, it was a bad b-movie,with had a huge budget. lucas isnt a great director as we saw with pm, but the original trilogy was fantastic. pm was just boring, it didnt make me want to register my disgust with millions it just make me sleepy. lets just hope its good, but if its not, treasure the originals cos they will never be out done.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 4:32 a.m. CST

    F*%&$!n Fanboys......

    by darthjarjar

    If I were George Lucas I would hold a press conference tomorrow and say the following; "Listen , you begged for a new SW movie for 20 years, so I write one for you...You don't like it...Too much kid stuff...Jar Jar..Mannequin Skywalker....waa waa waa....So I write another one...Attack of the clones? It sounds like a 50's b-movie...Send in the clones... blah blah blah...This is a message to you fanboys and girls...You are a bunch of ungrateful little whiners who act like they had their favorite pacifiers taken away, too blinded by nostalgia to see that it was just replaced by a different colored pacifier...Well you know what, fuck you (holds up middle finger ala Eminem)...You don't get to see any more Star Wars...No one does...You loudmouthed little fucking crybabies ruined it for everyone...I'm not releasing Attack of The Clones to you or anyone else...Fuck you...No Star Wars for you....Too bad too, because if you'd given it half a chance you'd find out how much it rocked The Matrix fucking Reloaded's meager little derivative world...And you'd miss the lesbian orgy scene between Amidala and her handmaidens...So fuck off geeks..." Then the next day I'd issue a press release and say it was the first succesful human clone who actually gave the press conference...Having the fanboys chew on that Attack of the Clone for a day would kick fucking ass...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Right on!

    by Lobanhaki

    I think people need to get lives as far as Star Wars was concerned. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is with these people who have taken Empire Strikes Back and made it into high art. The truth is, it's not. Art is art, and what makes it quintessential Star Wars is the magnificent way in which that particular chapter would have unfolded. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I really shudder to think what would have happened to Empire Strikes Back had it been produced in the nineties... "My God what a stupid title. Couldn't he have come up with something better like, the Power of the Force, or Obi-Wan returns? And this time could they chunk that Annoying C-3PO?" "That was the worst movie ever. The coolest character, Han Solo gets turned to stone, they didn't kill off that damn C-3PO. The Rebels were having their ass kicked all over the place (come on, show them blowing up those walking tank things- they should be kicking their asses, goddamnit) Worse yet, That Leia chick started getting cozy with Han. Dammit, Luke's her love and everybody knows it. And what really pisses me off isn't that Darth Vader wins the lightsaber fight(oh god is he cool) But that he tells Luke that he's his father. Lucas is changing everything around. He can't do that! These are our movies! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!"... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A little perspective here: Be careful what you wish for. The original trilogy was done in a time where feedback was largely indirect, and where people actually gave themselves time to digest what went on in a movie. Unfortunately, now we just blurt out things, and then dig ourselves in behind our opinions, no matter how shaky they are. Lucas, well, it's that maverick quality of his, that tendency to take his own council in these things that made Star Wars possible. The fact that he stumbled a little on his first time out in twenty years (weak script, meandering story) doesn't hide the fact that he was quite capable of putting some amazing stuff into that movie regardless. Lucas decided, or didn't get in the way of somebody else deciding to do many of the things you take for granted as part of the classic trilogy. We need to step back and say to ourselves "Maybe he has a reason to do this here that doesn't involve money, or annoying us." because nine times out of ten, that will be the truth.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I actually like the title...

    by Fletz

    It's a great title! Think about it. If you weren't (a) ten years old or (b) not even born yet, when Episode V came out, you would have been pissed about the title "The Empire Strikes Back." That's no more or less goofy than "Attack of the Clones." You've just had 21 years to come to love TESB and associate with (arguably) the best of all the SW films. Frankly, the name "Star Wars" is pretty damn silliy if you think about it. Get over it, people. Enjoy it. I don't always agree with Harry, but here, I do.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Seriously people...

    by Penmonicus

    It seems as though you all don't like anything. Now, this is, like, my second post here, and it's my brother who visits the site often, not me, but there just seems to be some "thing", some unwritten rule with internet fans of anything. Internet Wrestling fans can't like the good guys (Austin, Rock), internet movie fans always have to bitch about something. If it's not who was left out of what or how close someone's hair colour is, it's why the story's different and why is there too much "character development". Have you all forgotten how to enjoy something? You didn't like The Phantom Menace because your expectations for it were huge, and the original trilogy imprinted on you from a very young age (compared to the release of Episode 1, anyway). At the risk of anything different, you all shy away and immediately assume that it sucks. Out of touch? Tell me how naming the movie "Attack of the Clones" means that George Lucas is "Out of touch". Killing the Star Wars saga? You're killing it for yourself. It seems that the only way you people can enjoy yourselves anymore is by making yourselves not enjoy something else. EVERYWHERE I go, it's now cooler to hate stuff that you're meant to like then it is to like it, so people join the flow, and it pisses me off. But onto my thoughts on the title. Certainly, I had the reaction everyone else has. It sucks. But, already it's started to grow on me. I still don't like it, and it certainly feels different or separate from the others. It simply doesn't have the same sound, the same awe-inspiring feeling. But when all is said and done, you'll still hate the title, the movie WILL kick ass, and you won't care.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 7:12 a.m. CST

    evan Ewan hates the title

    by CoachMcGuirk

    Wake up ass kissers (that includes you Harry) this title sucks. event he films stars know it...check it out over at CA...http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/mainFramed.html

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 8:06 a.m. CST

    There will be NO clone wars!

    by Christoph Rasuli

    It's just a clone attack! That's, what he's trying to tell us...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Episode One is The Phantom Menace

    by Eyegore

    You think this is bad? What about all you morons who refer to SW:TPM simply as "EPISODE ONE"? Back in the day we didn't go around calling Empire Strikes Back "EPISODE FIVE" or Return of the Jedi "EPISODE SIX"...calling Phantom Menace "EPISODE ONE" is the genious behind the generation who thinks exposing thier butt cracks to the world with pants four sizes too big is "da bomb". This title is fine. It goes with the others like Harry said.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Episode II: Clonan the Destroyer

    by jackrabbit

    Even this would be better... and I'm out

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Give the dog a clone...

    by toodamnhostile

    or suck on my twelve inch clone!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Killer Klones From Outer Space

    by Who2000

    I was pretty upset at first but then a friend pointed out to me how 3 of the 4 existing movies all had different names at some point. I bet by the end of the year the title will be different.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:23 p.m. CST

    YOU ALL ARE STUPID

    by madskills333

    Man, what is wrong with you all. First of all, Phantom Menace was not that incredibly bad. You all are just comparing it to the other star wars movies. If there were no previous star wars movies, it would probably have been an enourmous hit. Second of all, yeah, at first the title sounds kind of cheap, but what do you all know? You havent even seen a trailer. If the basis of the movie is about a war where clones are attacking somewhere, why wouldn't you call it Attack Of The Clones? I have no doubts that this movie will be just as good as the others and will help tie into the continuing story of the star wars series.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:27 p.m. CST

    MAN, WHY YOU ALL SAY THAT?

    by madskills333

    IF THE MOVIE IS MOSTLY ABOUT CLONES ATTACKING A PLANET, WHY NOT CALL IT ATTACK OF THE CLONES, WHO CARES HOW IT SOUNDS? AND, IF THERE WERE NO PREVIOUS MOVIES, EPISODE 1 WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE HIT, YOU ALL JUST COMPARE IT TO THE OTHERS AND SAY IT SUCKED.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:32 p.m. CST

    ATTACK OF GEORGIE THE CLOWN

    by Renaud B

    :-)

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I HAVE A QUESTION!!!

    by Alethian

    Riddle me this... Was there such a thing as a Star Wars hater before the "advent" of The Phantom Menace? Until Phantom Menace, I had never met anyone who hated Star Wars. Never. I had met people who thought it was campy, I had met people who didn't think it was great, but I had NEVER met anyone who hated it. Seriously, was there such a thing as a Star Wars hater beforehand? The answer is NO! Doesn't that raise a few eyebrows? Doesn't that say SOMETHING about The Phantom Menace, about the way the series has eroded in quality?

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:53 p.m. CST

    agreed

    by Kel Anth

    I agree, I think people have a preconcieved notion when they hear "clone". If you say attack of the pagans or vikings its not nearly as absurd. Also, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"is redundant. People just get caught up in this particular dark entry in the Star Wars saga, and combined with their own bitter revenge fantasies, take it more seriously than in needs to be. People are also just paranoid about corn after EP 1. I think it fits right in with the light hearted, wizbang, kick-ass adventure Star Wars was always supposed to be.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:54 p.m. CST

    agreed

    by Kel Anth

    I agree, I think people have a preconcieved notion when they hear "clone". If you say attack of the pagans or vikings its not nearly as absurd. Also, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"is redundant. People just get caught up in this particular dark entry in the Star Wars saga, and combined with their own bitter revenge fantasies, take it more seriously than in needs to be. People are also just paranoid about corn after EP 1. I think it fits right in with the light hearted, wizbang, kick-ass adventure Star Wars was always supposed to be.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Episode II: Osmosis Clones

    by jackrabbit

    The story of a young Jedi and his out-of-control bodily functions...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:15 p.m. CST

    No

    by madmaxmedia

    I don't buy the 'serial movie' argument as sufficient rationalization for a 'silly' movie title. This is the same George Lucas who was doing Time magazine interviews before TPM, spouting off about the power of myth, Joseph Campbell, and what not. To me, it sounds like Harry is rationalizing the name, rather than out-and-out saying "I really like it!" So even if I bought that argument, it's still no enough. I will take a good movie with a stupid name (AOTC) over a stupid movie with a better name (TPM) any day of the week though...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:16 p.m. CST

    jerkwads

    by Kel Anth

    I would also like to ad that if george lucus had a special mind reading machine from the future which enabled him to make movies that perfectly matched exactly what every person wanted and expected, these would-be know-better wit-samuris would still bitch and chortle like the self proven cattle they are. Every-one and their mothers and fathers know what everyone else and their mothers and fathers SHOULD do.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Please no more 'it's just a movie' posts-

    by madmaxmedia

    Also, please no more 'it's just a movie' posts. We all realize this. It's just like all those 'It's just a popcorn movie' takes. It's just a movie, but it's also okay not to like the title. It's not like these people are picketing outside Skywalker Ranch or anything...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Wait... Crabs attack?

    by MrBadExample

    I don't mean to second guess the eminent Ms. Mintz, but I don't recall crabs attacking anyone or anything in recent memory. Feel free to follow this post with crude STD jokes.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:29 p.m. CST

    No too Bad

    by Busyfrog

    Well after playing around with this title in my head for a while i dont think its such a bad title. At first i thought it was a Dr Who episode but now that i visual see it on the website it fits pretty well. Put it this way , the title suggest as we all know what will happen in the film and that suggets the Clone Wars. This means more wars , action , fighting and less of the kiddie stuff.. let the film speak for it self after all why would you go to a film called A New Hope...now that is a crap title but a great film.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:52 p.m. CST

    chill out guys!

    by CyberMark

    Although I was a little suprised to here the title of episode 2, it has already started to grow on me. I wasnt quite as shocked as when I found out about TPM. As for critics saying he is ruining starwars and someone else should make the new trilogy. I completely disagree. George Lucas is the only person that truely knows and understands the overall story that he is trying to create. TPM was a very hard story to create. It was the first in a new trilogy set 40 years before an already established series. it had to introduce an new set of charactors, set up the next 2 films, and remain faithful to the style of Starwars. I think that George has succeded, and should be left to what he does best. Everyone keeps bringing up jar jar, but convieniently forget how cool Darth Maul was! TPM was good for the end battle alone. Give the guy a break and just look forwards to May 2002!

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    A most embarrassing time to be a Star War fan !!

    by Kenner

    Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse..you'd think Lucas would have gave it more thought after everyone thought phantom menance sucked. Excuse me but I've seen the whole episode II script and I don't recall any clones attacting. The jedi and the clone army defend themselves against the droid army on genosis

  • Everyone knew something terrible had happened!

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Episode II: Jumpin' At The Cloneyard

    by BlackBanana

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, let someone else do the prequels...

    by Key_Card

    So that way all of you whining assholes, who have nothing better to do than switch back and forth between a web browser with porn and another with movie sites all day jerking off, can piss and moan about the way that person did it and how no one else but Lucas should have done it. Get over it. It's okay to not like the title of a movie. It's annoying and incredibly stupid to piss and moan about it all fucking day.

  • Lucas has lost touch, whoever brought that up earlier was totally correct. He left Hollywood because he hated the system and felt HE could do better with HIS own studio. HE has failed, while becoming what HE hates most . . . Hollywood. What director in the last 20 years has sold out more than any other? Who has sold his artistic visions for commercialism? All this talk of how the title harkens back to the old days is crap. While mildly entertaining those 20's and 30's action shorts sucked. Give me the 3 stooges any day over those piles of film crap. (Hollywood, please stop remaking the 3 stooges-is nothing sacred anymore). You mean to tell me that Lucas is so out of artistic ideas that he needs to steal from the past? I don't even like the damn Star Wars movies. Never have, but after reading article after article about remakes and crappy "commercialized" films I needed to vent. I never understood the fandoom that these Lucas films created. I always found the films boring and too silly. But then I started reading posts, and saw how people felt and how they feel let down. And you people have a right to feel this way. They are taking your memories and love of film and remaking them and retooling them to sell happy meals and toys. Please, older people at this board, stop buying childrens toys you are ruining films for the rest of us. Draw something, use photoshop to create fantastic worlds and character, but stop buying toys. I felt this way about the Spiderman thing (my personal favorite comic from when I was young), and most people seem to feel like this about Planet of the Apes, a possible Dawn of the Dead, and the possible Rollerball film. I was mad when I learned of the Spiderman film, with all the changes. Why do even do it? It was my understanding that they waited to do a Spiderman film so they could do it right. What happened? It makes me mad that Burton didn't have the guts to make the book when he directed POTA. HE took the easy way out. The book can be done today (unlike when Serling wrote the original script based on 'Monkey Planet'), but he opted for selling out and crossing the two (book and 68 film) and screwed up the whole thing (you lose sight of the themes when you change the whole story and characters around). Taking the nudity out of 'Rollerball' is like remaking war movies without the violence. And Lucas using a lame title like 'Attack of the Clones' shows he could care less about making good film, he just likes the money. Please Hollywood stay away from 'Soylent Green', and don't remake the novel (Make Room MAke Room) either.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Don't forget...

    by zootropolis

    Yeah, I can see how many of us were worried that this next film was going to be "Space Love", and the new title may alleviate some of our fears about that...but don't forget how you felt after you saw the first trailer for TPM, you thought it was going to be a major ass-kicking-jedi-cool movie, and we got 100 minutes of Jar-Jar Binks and an irritating little boy who says "Yippeee!" one too many times. I'll wait and see if we ACTUALLY GET an "Attack Of The Clones", or more hokey toy-commercial claptrap.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 5:51 p.m. CST

    SHAKES THE CLONE

    by tensticks

    second attempt to put this in here, my only comment on the title being two "clone/clown" variations i've not yet seen....scroll down (or up, or whatever....) for the other one...

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 5:52 p.m. CST

    CAN'T SLEEP CLONES WILL EAT ME

    by tensticks

    there. that's the other one. and that's all i have to say 'bout that.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 6:25 p.m. CST

    HARRY!

    by Iced_Raktajino

    I don't post here too much but I wanted to say this to Harry (not that he would ever notice this little pathetic post) You hit it right on. For awhile I was questioning whether or not you were the same Harry that was in line with the rest of us waiting to see the Special Eds at Lincoln...you still are a SW fan after all...now if all the sw fans would just read your opinion...

  • KnowwhatImean?

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 9:53 p.m. CST

    But you'll still see it...

    by hobbes729

    First off, let me say one thing about the title- it's not as bad as some people are saying. Now then, to those people who are bitching and moaning because you think that the title sucks, I say "come up with a better title". Some of those lamenting the title brought the idea that they deserve a better title than that because George Lucas owes them. What!?!?!? He owes you nothing. It is his creations that apparently give your lives meaning. You should be laying on your back and teabagging his balls for all that he has done for you. So what if it doesn't seem like a good title. Every title in the Star Wars cycle has made sense when taken within the context of their respective films. If you've been a fan for so long, then you sould have a little faith in George. As a fan of the movies, I feel like I've never been let down. Anyways, that's my two cents.

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 11:13 p.m. CST

    EPISODE 2: THE DEVIL IN MISS CLONES.

    by Buzz Maverik

    George Lucas was actually cloned recently. The clone was rapidly aged to 33, around the same age George made STAR WARS. The two Lucases sat down to talk. Let's listen in, shall we..."So, how's Marcia?" "I don't know how to break this to you--" "Is she dead?" "No." "Is she still editing NEW YORK, NEW YORK for Marty? I don't like to criticize other filmmakers but--" "She left you...uh, me...us, kid." "Was this because I couldn't bring myself to tell her what a neat editor she is?" "I guess so." "So, how'd THE STAR WARS turn out?" "Biggest hit ever." "You're kidding? People are dumb." "They sure are. I'm glad you're here, though. Look this stuff over." "Okay. Jar Jar? Greedo did not fire first! That ruins Han Solo's character! Yippee? George 1, don't tell me that I...that is, you actually wrote this stuff yourself. We hate writing." "I have help on the new one." "Gee, I hope so. How are Bill and Gloria? Gee, I'll bet not even Steven liked that last one! Say, how'd his WW II comedy turn out?"

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 11:25 p.m. CST

    So why not name it... "The Clone Wars"

    by GoBig

    It doesn't seem like "The Clone Wars" would have been too hard to come up with, it" would have been a title we were all familiar with already. Attack is a war time term, so in some far off galaxy where George Lucas is King and he is surrounded my his "YES" men. Well, he must have felt pretty smart. I'll go ahead and keep my original feeling that his title is 100% better then the last, but man... It would have been cool to read "Epasode II - The Clown Wars" as the movie opened. - Clayton (keeping my fingers crossed for this chapter)

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 11:37 p.m. CST

    well said...

    by GoBig

    Dreadedone, I didn't mean to steal your steam, I can only hope you are right on the money with your post. - Clayton (next time I'll read a little more before I post) [maybe]

  • Aug. 8, 2001, 11:56 p.m. CST

    cashing in?

    by little dead boy

    Heard on the radio this afternoon that France and some other country are lobbying the UN for a total ban on human cloning.. Just as some US group (god bless 'em) announced that they plan to begin cloning humans in a few months time.. Could the title 'Attack Of The Clones' be an attempt to cash in on the complete and total hysteria that will no doubt surround human cloning by this time next year?

  • Aug. 9, 2001, 1:14 a.m. CST

    star wars makes me sad

    by labman

    Star wars used to make me happy. SWEP one made me a little mad. This latest bit of starwars news has made me sad.

  • Aug. 9, 2001, 7:40 a.m. CST

    I love this title! It reminds me of...

    by The_Danger_Man

    Hey, idiots, you listening? Get a grip! "Attack of the Clones" I'm supposed to buy this as a horrible title? "Attack" verb, right? "Clones" plural noun describing an established group of people, right? Throw in "of the" between them... Forget it, this is too hard to figure out... I think I'll just go watch "RETURN OF THE JEDI"

  • Aug. 9, 2001, 9:53 a.m. CST

    attack of the ever increasingly fat man

    by pim

    I find your lack of sensibility (not to mention taste) disturbing. Please have some self respect, people. How long can you continue to delude yourself into thinking Lucas has anything left in the tank? It's embarrasing to see the amount of excuse making going on amongst the Star Wars community. I was old enough to drive a car when A New Hope came out, hence, an adult [in the eyes of the state of Massachusetts, anyway] and I didn't need to make any excuses one way or another for that film (or either of the two subsequent films for that matter). There were people who didn't like it certainly, but amongst those whom it spoke to their was little debate. The gut reaction to Star Wars then was what attracted me to the film and kept me a devoted fan for over twenty years, right into my 40's. Now I find a majority of the people I speak to about the newer film(s) tell me, "well I didn't like it at first, but I got used to it, and now I don't think it's so bad." I can't help translating this as "It was a terrible movie, but I wanted so desperately to like it that I will convince myself that it is acceptable." The despondency I feel at hearing this is overwhelming. It's like hearing a friend of yours tell you that they don't love the person they're going to marry, but they'll go through it anyway because the person is very likeable, or great with children, or whatever. It just smacks of denial. Still it seems people would rather cling to their Star Wars security blankets than admit that getting what you asked for isn't always what you really wanted. The new title is terrible. Employees of Lucas film know it, the stars of the film know it, and I know it. And nobody is going to make up any excuse about the originals being cheesy or whatever to dissuade me into thinking otherwise. I know the excitement I had at seeing Star Wars ten times 24 years ago was real, just as real as the immense displeasure I felt upon seeing The Phantom Menace or hearing the title Attack of the Clones. I know how I feel.

  • or instead of "Apocalypse Now" it was "Getting a crazy dude during that war in Asia" would that be ok. They're both "just" movies right? It deserved better...

  • April 12, 2002, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by wondertwin

    I wanted to tell "Harry" I loved his comments on the new movie "Attack of the Clones" I love the title, it&#39;s nice to know someone else understands the "format" of the Star Wars movies. Lucas doesn&#39;t appear to be some bewildered idiot, grasping for titles and storylines for lack of ideas, to me. The man obviously knows what he is doing. Anyway, great insights.

  • April 12, 2002, 11:46 a.m. CST

    by jimg5151

  • April 20, 2002, 11:34 p.m. CST

    News Flash! Machines Cloned!

    by pinkandblue

    Can you clone a machine? Well I guess so. There have been many movies with bad "Titles" that were great movies... Or a title that was not even on subject. Take "Gone With the Wind" For instance. You have no idea what the movie is about by the title. Yet, it is one of the greatest movies of all time. Well the call them clones - and they do attack .... It is not rocket science. I think it fits quite well and you know what to expect. I&#39;m looking forward to the movie as they all have been great flicks.

  • April 23, 2002, 12:46 a.m. CST

    *Complete and total bewilderment*

    by Super Vegeta

    "..........................................................................................I LIKE the title of the new Star Wars movie. I&#39;ve liked it from the very moment that I heard of it. No, I am not "deluding myself", or "in denial", or trying to convince myself that it&#39;s OK, thank you very much (I do admit that The Phantom Menace was a pretty bad movie, though). I am also a long-time fan, and have seen the original trilogy when it was originally released. "Attack of the Clones" SOUNDS like a Star Wars movie! I am genuinely surprised to see that so many people dislike the title. I like it. It sounds exciting, and it sounds like Star Wars.

  • April 27, 2002, 5:52 a.m. CST

    all your clones are belong to us

    by colin83

    ok, well first off im not even going to make any claims about having a life seeing as how im posting on a mile long thread about the name of the new star wars movie at 3 in the morning. that said, i honestly dont know how i wound up here, but i must say that i have really enjoyed listening to everybody bitch about the title or bitch about people bitching about the title. or bitching that lucas is a bitch. or that jar jar is a bitch, or even that all of the titles are bitchin simply because star wars is one bitch ass story. seriously, you guys are great. and now i guess its my turn to post my thoughts on the title of the movie in question. well, basically, its kind of like this. six months ago, when george lucas called me up and asked me what i thought he should call it, i kind of had my heart set on "Amidala gets Boned". But i guess that Lucas couldn&#39;t hear me clearly and as a result this terrible catastrophe is ruining all of our lives. damn cell phone. thats why sprint has built the first nation wide wireless network, to prevent this kind of thing from happening. but..oh well. honestly, the first time i heard the title, i just kind of busted up laughing. i guess thats a...good..thing. i guess. it has kind of grown on me. honestly. i mean lucas is gonna call it whatever the hell he wants and were all gonna go see it, thats all there is to it. but as long as thats the situation, you might as well have the added enjoyment of challenging yourself to asking for "one for star wars, episode 2: attack of the clones, please" outloud with a straight face in front of a long line of people dressed up like plo koon. i think thats basically where lucas is going with this, hes trying to challenge us to push ourselves as individuals to new levels of comic tolerance, and i for one, like it. i mean seriously, its gonna have the man bobba fett was cloned from fight obi wan kenobi. he could call it attack of the pedophile catholic bishops for all i care. as long as its not called return of the jar jar (ROTJJ) im gonna go see it. alot. because no matter what the second part of the title is, the first part of the title is star wars: i dare you to say youre not gonna see it. i double dare you. and no fair saying you didnt see it in the theatres so therefore, you didnt see it. im talkin abstaining from 99 cent hastings rentals 5 years from now. obviously, its not gonna happen. period. so i guess its time to resume the bitching again, but one more thing. about clones. yeah the sheep clone thing is kind of...yeah. i gotcha. but seriously weve cloned like one thing once and everybody acts like weve done it all. its almost like people talking about a movie being made the day after the wright brothers&#39; stunt at kitty hawk called "attack of the planes" and everyone going "ooOOooOO &#39;planes&#39; scaaaary! ha ha ha thats so stupid". ok, well maybe not that much. but you get the idea. who knows whats gonna happen. that goes for the movie too. who knows. i just hope the whole actual movie part after the title and scrolling credits accompanied by the nah...nah! na na na naaaa na! star wars theme part is good. and now in response to the wave of abuse thats surely headed my way..."i can derelicte my own balls, thank you very much"

  • May 2, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Alternate titles to SW2

    by adelcat

    Why not "Send in the clones!" or as Dylan might say: "Everybody must get cloned" Happy Birthday Leibo!

  • May 3, 2002, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Losers..........

    by Spoonman227

    Losers......... If you don&#39;t like the title, don&#39;t see the movie! (You can&#39;t can you....you can&#39;t NOT see the movie can you.....you bitch and bitch but when it&#39;s all said and done, you&#39;ll see the motherfucker, so quit yer bitchin&#39;) Losers.

  • May 10, 2002, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Thought on names

    by MrBeano

    Hey just a thought, dunno if anyone&#39;s thought of this, but the 3 prequel names will prolly correspnd with the 3 originals. The 1st episode of each trilogy has a title describing the overall theme of the trilogy: A New Hope - the rise of Luke The Phantom Menace - rise of Palpatine The second in each describe the conflict with the main enemy force: Empire Strikes Back - The Empire, uh... strikes back Attack of the Clones - The clones, umm... attack And I&#39;m guessing the third will have to do with the Jedi. In the originals, they eventually return with Luke, but ep. 3 will be about their destruction, so I guess it would have to be named Star Wars Episode 3: The Temporary Going Away of the Jedi (TGAOTJ) It must be so... It WILL be so... Mark my words. So yeah, even though Attack of the Clones is weak compared to Empire, it kinda makes sense. One more thing, if you really think about it, ESB and ROTJ are only cool because the movies were. TPM sucked because the movie did. In the same way, our view of AOTC will change depending on how well the movie&#39;s made. I mean, c&#39;mon, after watching Hoth get wasted, the thought of the Empire striking back just got a bit more appeal. It&#39;ll be the same with Clones. If the clones really rock, Attack of the Clones will take on a whole new meaning. Let&#39;s just hope Clones will be to the prequels what Empire was to the originals.