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Published at:  Aug 06, 2001 2:03:16 PM CDT

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.



Okay... while all of you attempt to process the latest mind-fuck outta Lucasfilm, there's another story of interest breaking that Smilin' Jack Ruby seems to have scooped. If you take a look at his article at 13th Street, you'll see that Ed Norton appears to have been tapped to play Will Graham in Brett Ratner's upcoming RED DRAGON adaptation.



I'm fascinated by the idea that Nicolas Cage wanted to play both The Tooth Fairy and Will Graham. I'm going to take this to mean he couldn't choose which one he wanted to play, not that he wanted to play a double role. Then again, this is Nic Cage, and he's just crazy enough to get that sort of an idea. Anyway... Norton's a hell of a choice. What do you guys think?



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  • Aug 06, 2001 2:43:15 PM CDT

    Norton's an awesome actor,

    by nexus-6

    so i'm pretty much going to check out everything he does. i'm not sure about the director of this though. also, i've yet to see it, but from what i've heard, "manhunter" is a damn good movie. why are they remaking it, just to be greedy bastards since "hannibal" broke records?

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  • Aug 06, 2001 2:50:57 PM CDT

    It's too bad a bratty rich-kid no-talent lucky-shmuck like Norto

    by liquidnitrate

    ace-hole, that is. Norton should direct it himself or bring on his buddy Fincher... Ratner needs to be shipped back to Miami before he starts demanding well-deserved Oscars.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 3:57:35 PM CDT

    "Silence..." & "Hannibal" suck compared to "Manhunter"

    by bsgdan

    Remaking "Red Dragon" will only make Michael Mann's film look like more of a masterpiece than it already is. And Ed Norton is no William Petersen.

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  • My first thoughts were "Hot damn, they're remaking Manhunter! Maybe they'll get it RIGHT this time." Don't get me wrong, Manhunter was great. As a stand-alone movie. As an adaption of the book Red Dragon, it displeased me. Where oh where was the fearsome, terrible, powerful Francis "Red Dragon" Dolarhyde? Who was that whiny, gangly twerp they got instead? Where was the background, the pity and hatred and disgust mixed together? Why couldn't they spell LECTER right? Hannibal LECKTOR? Ugh. So hopefully, the new movie will ring closer to the book. And I want to see Lounds on his deathbed, dammit! And please, use the original ending! None of this heroic "Graham shows up just in the nick of time, putting himself in the danger he swore he wouldn't!" crap. I want the surprise!

    But, it's got Edward Norton as Will Graham. Edward. Norton. Sure he's a good actor, but is he Graham? William Peterson WAS Will Graham. Actually, I think Norton might be able to pull Dolarhyde off. A bit small, yes, but look at what they did for Michael Clark Duncan in the Green Mile.

    By the way, anyone have any clue who's going to be Lecter? I know Hopkins won't do it (as well he shouldn't), and I don't think Brian Cox should do an encore.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 4:28:43 PM CDT

    Hammana, hammana, hammana....

    by uncapie

    Is Ralph Kramden going to make a cameo in this? "Put the lotion on the bod-eeee!"

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  • Aug 06, 2001 6:54:19 PM CDT

    Great Actor... Bad Idea

    by mcgooo

    I think Ed Norton is a great actor, but he's too damn young for Will Graham. This is almost as bad as having Ben Affleck play Jack Ryan. Not a bad actor, but wrong for the role. Graham is much older character, I wouldn't even sqwak if they got Cage to do it (although he'd be a more interesting Tooth Fairy/Red Dragon). The role should be for someone older Alec Baldwin maybe? Or Richard Gere? Who's going to play Crawford?!! Manhunter is a classic thriller. This will cheapen Harris' work. I bet he isn't thrilled with the whole project.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 6:57:08 PM CDT

    Great Actor... Bad Idea

    by mcgooo

    I think Ed Norton is a great actor, but he's too damn young for Will Graham. This is almost as bad as having Ben Affleck play Jack Ryan. Not a bad actor, but wrong for the role. Graham is a much older character, I wouldn't even sqwak if they got Cage to do it (although he'd be a more interesting Tooth Fairy/Red Dragon). The role should be for someone older Alec Baldwin maybe? Or Richard Gere? Who's going to play Crawford?!! Manhunter is a classic thriller. This will cheapen Harris' work. I bet he isn't thrilled with the whole project.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 10:01:21 PM CDT

    Just having Ratner at the helm sinks this one, Norton or no Nort

    by deanwormer

    I wanna know how the hell Mark Ratner from "Fast Times at..." is a big time movie director now. Last time I checked, he was still an usher at the mall. Oh.... it's BRETT Ratner. My mistake. Like I was saying, I wanna know how the hell Brett Ratner.......

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  • Aug 06, 2001 10:03:11 PM CDT

    Just having Ratner at the helm sinks this one, Norton or no Nort

    by deanwormer

    I wanna know how the hell Mark Ratner from "Fast Times at..." is a big time movie director now. Last time I checked, he was still an usher at the mall. Oh.... it's BRETT Ratner. My mistake. Like I was saying, I wanna know how the hell Brett Ratner.......

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  • Aug 06, 2001 10:58:53 PM CDT

    I agree that Norton is a bit young.

    by foreskin_jones

    However he is a very capable actor so we'll see. So Brett Ratner is directing this well that is fucking weird I guess the guy just wants to broaden his horizons and not be known as "Chris Tucker's Director" or maybe he and the Noxema Girl just want to buy a new house. You know who should play Dollarhyde? Vin Diesel, seriously try no to laugh at the suggestion just think about it the Tooth Fairy was supposed to be an intimidating and pretty built guy right? well then Diesel could surely pull it off. In my opinion anyway.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 11:12:09 PM CDT

    Since this is a prequel they should get someone else to play Han

    by (<>..<>)abductee

    He could play a young Hannibal Lecter very nicely.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 11:13:43 PM CDT

    I'm more concerned about who they pick to play the serial killer

    by (<>..<>)abductee

    ...because the guy that they had play him in Michael Mann's version (Tom Noonan) sucked in that role. NOTE: He was perfect however for the role of The Ripper in "Last Action Hero" - Mmmm... smell that sarcasm.

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  • Aug 06, 2001 11:23:26 PM CDT

    Red Dragon

    by mike1949

    Why are they remaking this movie?The first one was a great adaptation of the book. William Peterson was great as Will Graham. Tommy Noonan was great as the Tooth Fairy.And Brian Cox{Uncle Argyle in Braveheart]was great as Lector. What is the point?

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  • Aug 06, 2001 11:32:14 PM CDT

    Brett fucking Ratner! - Jeeeesus Christ, stab me in the goddamn

    by cruel shoes

    Gee could people like Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker or do they just LOOOOOOVE that awesome directing! America's fallen in love with Bret Ratner's directing (unless you include that other movie he did - $100 if you can name it). Do you really want to trust ANY important movie to someone named Bret - I MEAN REALLY!

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  • Aug 07, 2001 12:02:15 AM CDT

    Any fartknockers here see that god awful Patriot??

    by jungle-face-jake

    Jason Issacs for Hannibal!!! You know, Sir Norton would be OK for Graham. But he's too young...and fresh faced. which i guess would be fine for those flashback scenes. But, that Faux, postmodern Fight Club sythetetic toughness ain't going to fly. You know, i hate that i'm saying this because i fear overexposure for the guy, but Guy Pearce is really ideal for Graham.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 12:26:08 AM CDT

    Manhunter sucked

    by private ryan

    Manhunter was cheesy 80's garbage. It's awesome that Hopkins will get to do Lector right in a Red Dragon adaption...because Brian Cox was awful. He was just British...that was all. Not scary or anything. And the finale of Manhunter...Will Graham figures out who the killer is, where he is, gets on a plane, flies out to where he is, and drives to his house...in the few minutes that the tooth fairy is terrorizing Joan Allen. Boring, lame. Ed Norton will be awesome going up against Hopkins, get somebody else to direct the damned thing and it might have a chance.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 12:36:56 AM CDT

    "Wait for the backup, Will!"

    by methos

    I agree. William Peterson owns the role of Will Graham. Norton is way to young. Perhaps James Spader?

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:08:42 AM CDT

    Points to consider

    by shad0wfax

    a) Manhunter was better than the story in the book - Red Dragon the novel had a dire ending and even Harris himself agreed at one time that they changes made it better.

    b) Tom Noonan and William L. Peterson 0wned both of those roles, they played them superbly - if you know the books, this cannot be disputed. Jesus, Noonan even had the hare lip.

    c) There was absolutely no need to remake a film, it's just another money-grubbing attempt by studios to make even more money on a now bloated franchise, simply because people think Lecter is cool. After the last performance, Lecter is relegated to the league of hammed-up, invincible bad guys who flick between the shadows like ghosts.

    d) Norton. I'll grant that the guy has acting talent, but will it wash? No way. He has a baby face, no hard edge to his voice, soft features and personality. Nah, he'll suck. I thought Cage sounded like a bad idea (despite how well he played 8MM) but this is just laughable.

    e) The whole film is just going to be a vehicle for an ageing Hopkins to do some of the crazy stuff in his past.
    What I'd rather see is a whole damn film set BEFORE Graham caught him. That would be worth seeing. What Lecter did in the murders and how Graham caught him. That would make a great movie.

    f - final point) There cannot be another book by Harris continuing the Hannibal story or have people already forgotten that the film and book endings are completely different. To continue a book from the film would be ludicrous and would be completely distancing the fan base of the books from himself. If anything, Harris should write the screenplay story for a sequel (which would be shit anyway) or a prequel (which has possibilites).

    That's my $2 and five cents.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:16:16 AM CDT

    Negativity in the Talkback

    by jacks bored hack

    Manhunter wasn't garbage - it was the BEST thriller of the 80s. And I don't think there is an actor alive, better equipped to attempt a reinterpretation of Peterson's Graham, than Edward Norton. Looking forward to its inevitable failure to improve on Manhunter. If its half as good as the original, it'll rock my world!

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:19:07 AM CDT

    The obvious choice for Will Graham!

    by alfie

    Lance Henrikson played the Will Graham character for 3 years in Millenium!!! Think about it both Will Graham and Frank Black are both married with 1 kid, both have had breakdowns, and both get into the minds of killers. Jeez Chris Carter was really original when he thought up the Frank Black character for millenium, coincidence...... I don't think so! although it was a great tv series. What do you all think??????

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:35:38 AM CDT

    I am sick of hearing that manhunter is a masterpiece!

    by captain katanga

    ITS NOT! Its a good film, theres no doubt about that, but its just crap to argue that its superior to silence, which is a landmark thriller. Its just the "cool" things for geeks to say: Just because it was directed by Michael mann does NOT mean its a masterpiece. he makes classic films now, but he wasn't back then... does every episode of miami vice automatically become a masterpiece in retrospect, just because mann was involved?? Manhunter is a very stylish, very well made, slightly dated film that does not live up to the awesome drama of the book. And its not in the same league as silence of the lambs!!! That said, its hard to have much hope for a masterpiece when Brett "rush hour" Ratner is directing, but then again, maybe he'll surprise us. And it certainly sounds like they've got a great script....

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:45:52 AM CDT

    Points to consider

    by shad0wfax

    a) Manhunter was better than the story in the book - Red Dragon the novel had a dire ending and even Harris himself agreed at one time that they changes made it better.

    b) Tom Noonan and William L. Peterson 0wned both of those roles, they played them superbly - if you know the books, this cannot be disputed. Jesus, Noonan even had the hare lip.

    c) There was absolutely no need to remake a film, it's just another money-grubbing attempt by studios to make even more money on a now bloated franchise, simply because people think Lecter is cool. After the last performance, Lecter is relegated to the league of hammed-up, invincible bad guys who flick between the shadows like ghosts.

    d) Norton. I'll grant that the guy has acting talent, but will it wash? No way. He has a baby face, no hard edge to his voice, soft features and personality. Nah, he'll suck. I thought Cage sounded like a bad idea (despite how well he played 8MM) but this is just laughable.

    e) The whole film is just going to be a vehicle for an ageing Hopkins to do some of the crazy stuff in his past.
    What I'd rather see is a whole damn film set BEFORE Graham caught him. That would be worth seeing. What Lecter did in the murders and how Graham caught him. That would make a great movie.

    f - final point) There cannot be another book by Harris continuing the Hannibal story or have people already forgotten that the film and book endings are completely different. To continue a book from the film would be ludicrous and would be completely distancing the fan base of the books from himself. If anything, Harris should write the screenplay story for a sequel (which would be shit anyway) or a prequel (which has possibilites).

    That's my $2 and five cents.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 1:49:37 AM CDT

    Will Graham should be played either by Paul Walker or Dougray Sc

    by sierramountain

    Paul Walker would be the perfect choice as Will Graham. Sure he ain't the best actor but he also ain't a bad one either. So it reall depends on the director and how much he can guide an actor like Walker into a believable performance. If not Paul, then Dougray Scott would be perfect as well.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 2:01:06 AM CDT

    ed norton.......

    by byobkenobi

    who cares about what we think of his as far as being a good choice for this film. this guy could be picked to play wilma in the next flintstones venture and still rock our fucking socks off. now, if only we could get ed norton, john cusack in a flick together.......

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  • Aug 07, 2001 2:05:04 AM CDT

    Just finished reading the book again.

    by prickle27

  • Aug 07, 2001 2:42:27 AM CDT

    Dougray Scott & Paul Walker = Scott Walker!

    by drx

    or is it just me...

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  • Aug 07, 2001 2:45:35 AM CDT

    Stupid computer cut me of before I could finish.

    by prickle27

    Will Graham= Barry Pepper. Lector= Kenneth Branagh.
    Tooth Fairy= Bad Pitt.
    Jack Crawford= Don Cheedle

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  • i'll be the first to sing ed's praises but he's too darn young for this. of course, this 'red dragon' remake...sorry, RE-IMAGINING...has been fucked from the get-go - it's a sad attempt by dino de laurentiis to get a little more dinero in his already bulging pockets. you know five-tone's take on this: the new movie should be graham's hunt for lecter. russell crowe or jason patric as graham. ralph fiennes or james spader as lecter. david fincher or christopher nolan as director. you know it makes sense.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 3:10:43 AM CDT

    Noonan=heartwrenching.

    by pumpkinsboy

    Who was the moron that said Tom Noonans tooth fairy sucked? His performance in manhunter was so completely believable and involving I was almost willing him to turn his life around and find a new path before the ineveitable breakdown at the stories conclusion. I mean, God damn it, it seems people are happy to be force fed Good/Evil scenarios in crap like Kiss The Girls, The Bone Collector, The Cell, but when a movie really tries to provide the light and shade of these people, morons start whining about how the bad guy wasn't `cool` enough. Oh, and Nic Cage as the tooth fairy? Oh, yeah, he's so `mad`, think of all the nervous twitches he can give in order to convey the depth and emotional core of the character, while Hopkins tries to out twitch him in a `who can twitch most like a crazy person ` contest.
    Ed Norton is not will graham, please, but GUY PEARCE is PERFECT for this role.
    As for whoever said Cox's Lector wasn't scary, well gee, I guess he just didn't have those twitches.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 3:43:44 AM CDT

    TIM ROTH BABY

    by sleepy-assassin

    I AGREE THAT HANNIBAL SHOULD BE PLAYED BY A YOUNGER PERSON SO WHY NOT GIVE TIM ROTH A CHANCE!!!

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  • Aug 07, 2001 6:51:33 AM CDT

    Sorry for all those Nic Cage lovers out there, but there's no wa

    by el duderino

  • Aug 07, 2001 9:17:33 AM CDT

    Ed Norton is fine by me......

    by doktor lecter

    Or maybe I'm just saying that because I'll take just about anyone over Nick Cage for Grahm's role.

    Either way, I can't wait for this flick. "Manhunter" sucked and "Hannibal" was a dissapointment. Please God, let me die with at least seeing one more *good* adaptation of a Thomas Harris book.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 9:31:55 AM CDT

    Age is a bullshit factor

    by selectd

    William Petersen was born in '53 and made MANHUNTER in '86 at the age of 33. Ed Norton was born in '69 and won't possibly make this movie before 2002. YOU DO THE FUCKING MATH! If you want to say he looks to young that's one thing. However, before you do...go check out American History X again and pay attention to the difference in Norton's looks between the present day scenes and the high school flashbacks. Sufficient proof that he can look any age he wants to look. If you want an age descrepancy, maybe people should check this out. Red Dragon is a PREQUEL to Silence...how in the hell is Anthony Hopkins going to look 20 years younger? A bit more daunting question as far as I'm concerned.

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  • In a few words: Nick Cage sucks. I didn't like Manhunter. It doesn't have to be remade, anyway. Kevin Spacey's a good choice for Will Graham. Brian Cox was a great Lecter. Let's see what is Brett Rattner to the Lecter series... A weird choice to play Will Graham: Javier Bardem. Just rewrite the character and make him latino.

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  • ok what are you people thinking im so glad that somebody is redoing red dragon so people dont think the story sucked and im sure they will after seeing that piece of shit manhunter! silence was the best movie and worst novel hannibal was a decent movie with a decent book and red dragon was the best book with the worst movie.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 9:39:04 AM CDT

    Silly me.

    by juggernaut125

    When I saw Ed Norton, I was thinking Ed Burns from Saving Private Ryan. (Which makes more sense if you stop and think about it.) Norton's just not right for this pic. (Which really shouldn't even be made if you stop and think about it.) Buuut. If it HAS to be made, then, how's this for a cast. Ed Burns as Will. Gary Oldman as Hannibal. And Morse (damn, can't remember his first name, David I think) as the Tooth Fairy. And get Dennis Farina back as Crawford 'cause I just love that guy.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 9:49:38 AM CDT

    Red Dragon Re-Imagining ( heh...sorry )

    by mil mascaras

    Hmm. Ed Norton as Will Graham? I could buy that. I heard an interview with Mr. Ratner on a Dallas radio station however that confirmed Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal. Ratner said that the actor was on a diet to slim down to play his younger character. I personally think this is a bad idea. How's this...That guy who comes out in the BMW ads on the net, Clive Owen? Is that his name? I saw a photo of him in a USA Today article and he looked kinda Hannibalish to me. He could be the young Lecter! His hairline was receding ever so slightly. Yeah! He could do it!
    Hey...I like this. Hmmm. HEY! Clive Barker's "The Damnation Game." Starring Hugh Jackman as Marty. Rachel Weisz ( Wiezs? Wice?? ) as Carys. A Dapper Kevin Spacey as Mammoulian. Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Anthony Breer The Razor Eater. And as Joseph Whitehead...Ian McKellen!! Why aren't I working in Hollywood putting these things together??!
    Well...probably cause I'm in Texas in Insurance. I ramble...sorry. :)

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  • Aug 07, 2001 9:51:32 AM CDT

    kevin spacey people

    by lokie

    i agree with ed burns as graham and gary oldman as lector i think spacey should play the tooth fairy. spacey is quite possibly one of the best actors in hollywood and he obviously can play a homicidal maniac as he demonstrated in the usual suspects. spacey can make any movie good and if you add gary oldman you would have one hell of a movie

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  • Aug 07, 2001 10:03:39 AM CDT

    Edward Norton too Young?

    by theclonewars

    I just checked IMDB and Willima Peterson was 32 when Manhunter was shot. Ed Norton will be 32 before the end of the month--the exact same age! As for him not being hard enough--I suggest those people who think so check out American History X. Who would have ever guessed he could play that part before the movie came out? I'm sure Norton will be great.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 10:12:39 AM CDT

    Brett Ratner and stuff.

    by l.b. jefferies

    I liked Rush Hour 1 and 2 but having Brett Ratner direct something like Red Dragon seems to me like having Ridley Scott directing a remake of Spartacus... oh wait...

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  • He just doesn't seem to have the right look to be Grahem but that's just my opinion. Oh and if Norton at 31 is too young then paul fucking Walker at 24 is definitely too young. Oh yeah and Manhunter was great don't bother!

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  • Aug 07, 2001 10:55:37 AM CDT

    Ed's ok

    by bill_clay

    I think Ed Norton is an excellent actor. But I have to admit I would never have picked him for this role. When I read the book I guess I pictured someone older. I've never seen the original Manhunter movie, how was that CSI guy? Well, I'd definitely rather have a decent actor with a different look than someone who looks just like I've imagined Will, but sucks. If this is true, the movie could end up ok. But who's going to be young Lector?

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  • Aug 07, 2001 11:55:09 AM CDT

    Manhunter vs Silence

    by bruce t shark

    Over the years since it's release I've watched Silence of the Lambs several times (5 or 6) and to be frank I just don't get what all the fuss is about. It isn't scary. Full stop. Hopkins plays Lecter like a cheap pantomime villain. Manhunter on the otherhand keeps me coming back time and time again. William Petersen for me is and forever shall be Graham. I've just flicked through my copy of Red Dragon and I can't find one single physical description of Graham in the entire book, the only clue we have is that he has an eleven year old son. Thats it. So to the general public at large casting this character isn't a problem (it's amazing how many people haven't seen Manhunter - but of all the people I've lent my tape to, not one hasn't loved it). You're average man in the street has no preconception of what Graham looks like. The same goes for Dollarhyde. Again the book is vague, blonde, size 11 shoes and physically strong. I first saw this story this morning and have spent all day trying to think of anyone who I would like to see in these pivotal roles. The two names that sprang to mind for Dollarhyde were Gary Oldman and John Malkovich but I think they've both been cast as the unhinged villain too many times for it to be of any value. I'd love to see someone normally typecast as the hero to turn up as Dollarhyde, like Henry Fonda in Once upon a time in the west. As for Will Graham, Norton is wrong for the part, very very wrong. For me there are two options, one safe and one more dangerous and definitely controversial. Safe option Kevin Spacey, has the age, authority and darkness required. Dangerous option, Michael Keaton. Get a strong director to sit on him, take away the OTT helter skelter eyes and he would absolutely rule. Anyway that's just my opinion. Manhunter is a treasure that will only truly get the attention it deserves when it is held up against this inevitable remake. Then it will shine and get the mass audience it has always deserved.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 3:11:29 PM CDT

    David Lynch

    by rabbi_min

    I want David Lynch do direct this, he was going to do it in the 80s but Dune came first and he never got back to do Red Dragon. Am I the only one thinking Lynch is THA MAN for this Film ?

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  • Aug 07, 2001 3:28:23 PM CDT

    OK, but . . .

    by mascan

    Norton is a fine choice for Graham, but the only reason the movie is being made is to give Anthony Hopkins another chance to play Hannibal. The only problem with this is that Hopkins is now TOO OLD to play his own character in a PREQUEL! Do the math: Ten years have passed since "Silence", and "Red Dragon" preceded that story by about five years . . . therefore, Hopkins is at least FIFTEEN YEARS OLDER than his character would be in the story. And, to be honest, he isn't exactly aging gracefully anymore . . . the audience won't buy it!

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  • Aug 07, 2001 5:16:43 PM CDT

    whoever suggested david morse as the tooth fairy...

    by tommy5tone

    ...is right on the money. this is one of the best casting decisions i've read re. this damn silly 'red dragon' remake...sorry, re-imagining.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 6:43:13 PM CDT

    scott glenn as crawford again?

    by keweenaw

    I was very disappointed not to see scott glenn in Hannibal. While reading the book, i could really picture him back in the role. If Hopkins can pull it off, why not Scott Glenn?

    also some trivia - the only actor in all three movies so far Frankie Faison. my wife pointed that out to me after watching manhunter on DVD.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 9:45:27 PM CDT

    Red Dragon Images

    by cyberstain

    Will Graham is described in the book as being "not tall", "slim","odd looking", and "intense".
    Here is an exact quote from the title character:
    "Investigator Graham interests me.
    Odd-looking for a flat foot isn't he?
    Not very handsome, but purposeful-looking."
    Francis Dolarhyde is described as being very intimidating and very muscular.At age 41,he could compete in body building contests if he wanted to.
    At one point, he flexes his muscles nude in front of the mirror and we see his full body dragon tattoo,an image that I'm sure they will want if they get an actor with the right physique.
    Arnold Swartzenegger would have been perfect for the role in the 80's, at his peak.
    The "manhunter" movie was good as a stand alone film, but I agree that it didn't live up to the potential of the book.
    Of course, most "Talkbackers" haven't read it and still won't.
    I hope the Ed burns casting means that this will be a straight adaptation of the book and not be influenced by the highly over-rated movie from the 80's.
    William Peterson is a one note actor ( at least in that movie ) and didn't do justice to Graham. This is a charactor that both Hannibal and the "Red Dragon" were obsessed with, something that was downplayed in the movie.
    Hannibal considered him a kindred spirit and Dolarhyde/Red Dragon called him a "monster" when he realized how close Graham was getting.
    Graham was considered a genius in the book, a modern day Sherlock Holmnes.The psychiatrists around him are just as interested in studying him as they are Lecter, but neither of them will talk.
    In the movie he was made into a Miami Vice cop.
    If you want to talk about what this movie should be, read the book! Or shut up.

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  • Aug 07, 2001 10:29:36 PM CDT

    All decadentdave, I'll give you the $100 BUT ONLY IF you didn't

    by cruel shoes

  • Aug 08, 2001 12:19:17 AM CDT

    Dougray Scott would have been good....

    by imscully33

    I have no doubt Edward Norton can play the role, but he looks way too young for Graham and is never how I pictured him.

    I agree Dougray Scott would have been awesome. He's younger than Graham, 35, but he looks older, no one would have doubted it.
    I don't know if he can do an American accent, but he can do intense/tortured well. Go to the Enigma website and see for yourself.





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  • Aug 08, 2001 2:04:22 AM CDT

    My GAWD, how perfect can you get?

    by cart00n

    Edward Norton is the quintessential brilliant actor. Not ONLY would he do this role justice, he could transcend it (not that William Peterson wasn't brilliant). I'm already looking forward to this movie. "Manhunter" is a great film, but it doesn't fit the tone (or sets) of the current films. It stands all on its own. What I'm wondering is who they're going to get to replace Hopkins. He CAN'T come back...

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  • Aug 08, 2001 8:14:11 AM CDT

    My opinion

    by steerpike

    I don't actually rate Manhunter, not compared to the book. Manhunter has dated very badly, whereas the book is practicaly timeless. Hopefully the remake will be better than Manhunter. I think that Norton would be perfect as Graham, I hope they get Scott Glen back as Crawford. Fincher should direct and Kevin Spacey, in my opinion would be perfect as a possible Lecter.

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  • Aug 08, 2001 8:31:08 AM CDT

    why not MM again?.....

    by jackie_o

    He did it with LA Takedown and Heat, so why not Manhunter. When casting Lecter, the person who best fits the bill would have to be Kevin Spacey- "He is a small, lithe man. Very neat." (page 63), not that wooden bastard Jude Law, who looks far too young anyway. Will Graham- William H Macy, an actor of some pedigree; and Dolarhyde? A toss up between Benicio del Toro (my vote) and Vin Diesel (a more than adequate back-up), as both are excellent actors that could fulfill the required physical build. As for the Lecter/Lecktor thing, I was under the impression that MM changed it to show this was not an adaptation of the book, but merely based loosely round it (hence Manhunter/Red Dragon), although feel free to set me right if I misinterpreted this.

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  • Aug 08, 2001 10:52:54 AM CDT

    I can't post on this tb, because, if I did...

    by huneybee

    I wouldn't be able to control myself and I would just HAVE to call Loki an idiot. Since that is not my usual style and I have refrained from doing that to anyone in the year or so I have been logging onto this site, I will just not post...er, Now HOW did THAT happen?____A Bemused Bee

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  • Aug 08, 2001 8:22:50 PM CDT

    LET' GET A FEW THINGS STRAIGHT

    by niner fan

    The casting is all wrong.Ed Norton is only right if Lechter is younger.A better choice is Gary Sinise for Graham.The Tooth Fairy is much harder to cast.An obvious choice would be Chris Walken,but I would go in a far crazier reach.TOM HANKS would be a great Tooth Fairy.Picture him with blond hair and more muscular.He would add a dimension that would be incredible.For those who think William Petersen can't act see his other 80's classic TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A.

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  • Aug 09, 2001 4:47:05 PM CDT

    Casting...

    by blackbanana

    ...we'll let's first point out that this film is FUCKED if the directing reigns are handed to Brett Ratner.
    With that out of the way I'm going to disagree with a lot of you on the subject of Anthony Hopkins. Too old; absolutely. However having him as Lector in all three films does add a sense of symmetry and you have to keep in mind that Lector's role in Red Dragon is quite small really, but while even smaller still in Manhunter we're sure that Lector's role in the remake will be expanded beyond that of the book so make-up artists will have their work cut out for them and the DP had better be a fucking genius. It can work.
    As for the role of Graham, it's true that Edward Norton could play anybody even with a bag on his head; he is brilliant. If I was a casting agent I'd be stoked to get him, but like a lot of you I would really hold out for someone like Guy Pearce. We have not seen Norton as "mature-family man", he has primarily been cast as a younger, somehow exceptional loner type. Pearce often seems more hardened, like Graham, the self assuredness of Norton isn't there and the character of Will Graham needs to be showcased by someone who can convey the frailties of an everyman, a father, a man beaten and afraid. Norton has never played a man beaten, although I'm sure he'd be up for the challenge, he sometimes comes off as pompous. Beyond his acting ability Norton is very aware of how intelligent he is and it has the tendency to leak into his work and the audiences sub-consciences.
    As for the role of Francis Dollarhyde I'm somewhat stumped at the moment. If he were better known, and a better actor, I would n't object to BRIAN THOMPSON. While being a better known actor isn't criteria I'd have set I know it's important to some of you and it's definitely important to Hollywood brass. Remember that Ted Levine wasn't that well known, but then again unlike Dollarhyde Buffalo Bill played second fiddle to Lector in both the book and the movie.
    The role of Crawford is a throw away. Again keep Scott Glenn for symmetry; besides he could use the work. In the end I still think Manhunter is a totally acceptable member of the trilogy, but we all know this film's getting made.

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