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STAR WARS EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES
Hey folks, Dave here. Normally I wouldn't post this, but my fear is that Harry is still asleep, since he's normally awake into the wee hours of the morning, So, if I don't post something, all of you people are going to keep emailing us with this until our mailboxes bleed.
Yes indeed, the title of Star Wars Episode II is ATTACK OF THE CLONES. How do I feel about this?
I don't. I have absolutely no emotional response to this news. I still hope that this second film in the sextet will be better than the first, which I personally didn't like at all. Yes, I know, some of you did, and good for you, I say, but me, I was most displeased. Surely, I think, Episode II can't be worse...so say I tempting fate.
Whatever the future holds, we now have a title, and if for no other reason than to ease the pressure on our mailboxes, it had to be posted. There it is. Think on it, if you imagine it's important in any way.
Dave Alvarado, El Cosmico
P.S.: Yes, this is official - just check out www.starwars.com/episode-ii.
Harry here.... Boy ain't this title a beaut? I've had calls from Media since about noon asking what I think of STAR WARS EPISODE II: SEND IN THE CLONES, and ya know... Somehow it reminds me of Krusty the Klown! Anyway, check this CLONE story on CNN, kinda eerie that Lucas announces this title and Human Cloning is to officially begin!!!!
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Lucas could have called It "Star Wars Episode II : Anakin gets the Herpes" and it still would make a ton of $$$.
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Title seems almost TOO "Buck Rogers", but I still have to assume that Lucas knows what he's doing. Is this official?
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hopefully this isn't true. sounds like a bad, bad monster movie.
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'Nuff said.
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...that I still think that "Phantom Menace" is a really nifty work of the imagination, a visual marvel, and as good a film as "Jedi." Which is to say, slightly below par for a "Star Wars" film, but miles ahead of the pack in terms of big-budget fantasy filmmaking. I mean, those Star Wars movies TRANSPORT you, and all this ingrown hatred of "Episode 1" will fade. It's a mighty fun flick.
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Why not get it over with and just name it: Star Wars: Episode II--Send in the Clones
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the only reason they're putting this "scoop" on the site is so people stop sending it to them. the chance of that being the actual title are slim to none, but until AICN prints something ackowledging the existence of the rumor, they will be bombarded from geeks who think are the first to send it in...
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"Attack of the Clones" is the title according to the official Star Wars website. I also happen to like it. Although, "The Darkness Within" would've been better, I can still live with it.
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This sounds more like a Fox police videos tv special than a multi-million dollar sci-fi blockbuster.
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This is what they've reported at starwars.com as official. It could change though, look at "Revenge of the Jedi."
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Attack of the killer clowns. My problem with the phantom menace was that NOTHING HAPPENED by the end of the movie. yeah we know palp is bad, we know anakins a nice little kid. NOTHING HAPPENED. two hours wasted, we should have seen star destroyers being constructed, and anakin get older during the movie, clone wars start. theres to much in the universe to cover and no time.
THE THIRD ONE WILL BE THE STAR WARS MOVIE WE FANS WANTED FOR THE FIRST ONE. ATTACK OF THE CLONES. PRETTY SILLY -
Aug 06, 2001 10:47:21 AM CDT
Attack of the Bald Headed Killer Clones from Outer Space with Ra
by klam bake
or not.
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Aug 06, 2001 10:48:20 AM CDT
Surely this is a pisstake. What with all the news of Human cloni
by el tronerino
I'm on the fence about that name. After all, "The Phantom Menace" is kind of a cool title, but look at how the film turned out...
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indeed
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Killer Clones from Outer Space! Just think of it, all the Keystone Jedi have to do is what Anakin was trying to tell people all along..."HIT THE NOSE!!!"
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Aug 06, 2001 10:53:12 AM CDT
Then why doesn't LUCASFILM own the .com and.net domain names. It
by -mrbean-
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Although it is on the official site, I truly doubt Lucas is going to stick with such a lame title. I mean come on, a 6 year old could come up with that title... in fact, I think I did when I was a kid, wiritng short stories. I'm still rooting for Maximum Clonage... of course they'll have to get permission from Marvel...
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Get those T-Shirts, Posters, and Lunch Boxes ready. Cause Lucas wont sue you. Promise.
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It is the title!
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"Attack of the Clones, George? No, no, I think it's a, uh, GREAT name! Yes sir! There's no arguing with your genius, George!" Good lord... Somebody needs to slap George Lucas back in to reality. I'm sure the movie will be great... I've read all the spoilers I can get my grubby little hands on, and it really sounds... er, looks like its going to be a great movie. But, good God... "Attack of the Clones"? Was there just a dart board with a bunch of possible names or something?
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CLEARLY!!! The Clone Wars is a much better title. or The Clone War. Or Clone Invasion. Or Invasion fo the Clones. Or Rise of the Clones. JEEEEESSSSSUUUUUUSSSS FUCKING CHRIST!!!!!!!!! What the hell kind of a stupid title is that??????????????????????????????????????????/
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Aug 06, 2001 11:02:28 AM CDT
Oooh, and Empire Stikes Back and New Hope are that much cooler?
by brock landers
Even if the movie rocks, what will you guys have to bitch about then? The title caught us all by surprise, just like Phantom Menace did. Hell, I am glad that Lucas still manages to have more suprises left for us! All right, I'm done, please, by all means, continue your bitching . . and moaning for another ten months . .
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Only a kid could come up with such a title. It just shows how old and washed up this idea is becoming. However, if I had the power of create a cash cow like this, I'd take it but ask for more fan feedback. I think I'll just watch ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES. It'll most likely be a better movie. (shaking his head)
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The thing that people are overlooking is that a name like this is true to the roots of Star Wars - a pulp serial. Just take a look at some of the old Republic titles - Zombies from the Stratosphere, Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe, Radar Men from The Moon, and Zorro's Fighting Legion. No matter how much we might try and deny it, the heart of Star Wars is a movie serial - a big budget serial that'll take 20+ years to complete, but a serial regardless. In that context, Attack of the Clones isn't that different. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that it works JUST fine.
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Star Wars may be fantastic, innovative and changed a great many lives - but ultimately people take it way too seriously. As adults watching what is essentially a kids movie, they expect deep, meaningful titles (and in some cases - they ARE deep and meaningful - case in point Phantom Menace), more often than not, they are simply fluff.
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I think all that time on Skywalker Ranch is turning his brain into mush.
He needs to let go of this 50's serial/Flash Gordon nonsense and start making movies that people above the age of 5 will enjoy.
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garbage.
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. . .people hated the title "Phantom Menace"!?!?!?!?!?
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My reaction to the title: it's fine.
Calling it Star Wars: The Clone Wars would be like calling it Wars Wars: The Wars Wars. Doesn't sound right. Get it?
Attack of the Clones is just about the same as Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. It's a serial type/b movie title explaining the plot. "Oh, in this one the Empire struck back. But in this one, the clones attacked." Bam.
Corny B movie titles are a staple and we come to accept them all. Don't believe me? How about a title like Planet of the Apes or Night of the Living Dead? Or Attack of the Clones? Boo ya.
Everyone hated The Phantom Menace at first. Now it's accepted. So it shall be again.
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Lame!!!!!!!!!!
Theres always episode 3! =) -
garbage again.
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In 30 minutes time there are over 40 posts...Wow!____An Amazed Bee
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Come on folks! This isn't real! The timing is too incredible for this to be real.
George is simply making a political statement on the eve of Professor Antinori's front-page story to clone a human within the next year (see all major news sites... CNN, Drudge, etc. BTW, Drudge not only confirms the title of EII, but gives away the twist ending for the new movie... a cloned Abe Lincoln arrives and emancipates some serious clone butt!).
Anyway,
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones couldn't come at a better time to get people thinking negative about human clones and cloning. It was only a matter of time before Lucas used his all-powerful franchise for political issues. The kid has a number of ADOPTED kid's for cryin' out loud.
Rest assured, this is a shrewd political move by Lucas that will be changed... Just like Revenge of the Jedi wasn't the actual title of Episode 6. -
At first, i HATED the title 'The Phantom Menace'. Now, i absolutely love it as it works on several levels (the Naboo incident being the 'phantom menace', the REAL menace being Palapatine using it to leverage himself into power.) As for 'Attack of the Clones', hmmmm. it just seems to lack that same ambiguity. However, the presence of the word 'attack' is encouraging. Clearly, the WARS are being put back into STAR WARS. Given that E2 is allegedly tonally and structurally similar to Episode 5, a bold, epic title like 'The Empire Strikes Back' is what i wanted. Does AOTC fit that bill? Hmmmm - ask me in two years. Peace.
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Where does Lucas get these titles? It's all right here. This is a list of titles from an old pulp novel called "Phantom Detective." In this list,you will find the titles "The Silent Menace", "The Phantom Strikes Back", "Crimson Harvest" and other titles that George Lucas was obviously strongly influenced by. Check it out.
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... but then I remembered that Star Wars movies are silly. I mean, a big walking dog-like creature, a muppet Jedi Warrior, even things like Imperial Walkers are ridiculous. I think that over the years all the praise Star Wars has gotten (Bill Moyers, the Smithsonian, fawning fan-boys)and our fond childhood memories have distorted the fact that at heart these are just fun space adventures. I'm just happy we're going to see some clones attacking in the next one.
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1980. Empire comes out. Me and all of my friends spend our recesses trying to figure out what the plots and titles of the other 7 proposed Star Wars movies will be. We never had any concensus except for one point...it was a foregone conclusion that one of the first three would be called THE CLONE WAR(S). Obviously. We knew we'd all be old farts with cars and jobs when it came out, but we could look forward to seeing THE CLONE WARS. Hello? Please?
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Is there any hope the originals will be released on DVD without all the Greedo-Shooting-First junk?
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On one hand I'm furious with George Lucas for naming this ball of shite
with an equally shitty name. However, I am now looking forward to the
plethora of jokes that will accompany this bad idea. The obvious Jim Rome
references are just going to be gravy on top of this crap sandwich.
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CHANGE THE HARRY HEAD!
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I mean, didn't we have a scare about this a while back? Some other title? It wasn't half as bad as this 50's B-horror movie inspired piece of shit title, but seriously. I don't buy it yet.... Maybe I'm in denial right now. This is all a very bad dream. Lucas, I think, is trying to slowly and painfully kill off every one of his Episode I apologists...
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It's about time you updated your goddman site. For starters, the fanboy droolers will say, among other things: 1)"It's campy. See it's an homage to old serials." My response: As was Phantom Menace. It still sucked as a title, and there's no need to repeat that trick. 2)"Empire Strikes Back is a dry title." No, it's not. No one ever thought this. It's descriptive, and it's wonderfully bellicose. Attack of the Clones may tell you what happens, but doesn't convey that sense of darkness. Plus, it doesn't even describe the events of the movie that well. 3)"it's Lucas' film, he can do as he pleases." Who says otherwise? It's still a stupid title. And Lucas is obviously going out of his way to throw away as much talent as possible, something not seen since Brando in Don Juan Demarco. It's as if Jesus came back, only to appear on a UPN sitcom.
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I love it. This pretty much follows the names of the original trilogy. A NEW HOPE and THE PHANTOM MENACE are both descriptive titles with no working verbs (hope and menace are both verbs, but not used as such here). THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and ATTACK OF THE CLONES both have offensive (not GLAAD offensive) verbs (strike and attack), suggesting our heroes would be in peril. Personally, I like the title. It really does remind me of pulp comics or even the Indiana Jones titles.
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will have a field day with this...out.
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I must admit, I like it... it goes in accordance with the other titles. I mean really, 'The Empire Strikes Back' is as tacky as it gets...
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I like the title. It's so damn cheesy.
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Aug 06, 2001 11:48:07 AM CDT
Wait a minute...so is that Polo Sport vs. Drakkar Noir??!! OH,
by alphafly
I thought "Phantom Menace" was bad...I stand corrected.
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"The Blue Harvest"!!
Keep in mind that this is the film series that Coppola and Lucas for years conspired to create, referring to it simply as "that flash project".
They are keeping in the royal star wars tradition that had been set so many years before by the likes of alex raymond, one of the greatest creators in sci fi and comic history.
FISH, PLANKTON,SEA GREENS, AND PROTEIN FROM THE SEA!!! -
Lucas is a crazy person, and shouldn't be allowed to make Star Wars or any other films for that matter. Him and Spielberg have lost all bounds in logic and reality.
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David Macharelli proudly presents:
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Lucas is a crazy person, and shouldn't be allowed to make Star Wars or any other films for that matter. Him and Spielberg have lost all bounds in logic and reality.
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g'head george... just reach into my chest and rip my lungs out so i can not catch my breath to tell you how utterly repulsed, ill, aghast, dismayed, ashamed, i am at the insane choice that has been made... too late. Why not just title it "ATTACK OF THE KILLER CLONES FROM OUTER SPACE"... I-D-I-O-T !!!!!
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OK, OK, OK. I came back to reality. I realized first that this *IS* an internet chat, not typically the domain of reason. Then I remembered it *IS* SW we're talking about, a topic that gets even normally reasonable geeks all in a tizzy and whatnot. So I guess my hope that this would be met with something between a collective yawn and a "let's wait and see" was completely unfounded in anything within hailing distance of reality. It's my fault, really. I should have expected nothing less than a torrent of braying talkbackers basically demanding that George Lucas submit all creative ideas concerning *their* franchise through them. Last I checked, it's his story and he can tell it however he wants to...then again, I am crazy. Silly me. Back to my hidey-hole. Nice Jim Rome reference above; that's exactly what I thought.
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Star Wars II: Clonin' in the Rain.
Star Wars II: Padme Does The Upper West Side.
Star Wars II: Clone Thugs & Harmony.
Star Wars II: Two Clones, A Sith, And a Pizza Place.
Star Wars II: Anakin Fucks a Gungan.
Star Wars II: Buy our Toys.
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Aug 06, 2001 12:40:57 PM CDT
Lucas to Star Wars trademarked quiji board: "...the title for t
by smugbug
That's got to be how this guy got this title IF this is indeed the final decision. I am not a rabid SW fan-gal, however, this title doesn't do a damn thing for me. And I didn't like Phantom Menace at all too. WAY too long and too removed from itself for it to be engaging. I hope this is a better effort. But folks, remember: LOTR, Spider-Man, Matrix sequel - these are it's competitions. Can SW II deliver at that level as well?
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Aug 06, 2001 12:54:48 PM CDT
You'd think after Attack of The Killer Tomatoes, nobody would ca
by batutta
This has to be one of the most uncreative titles I've ever heard. It's like calling episode V Star Wars: Vader Kicks Ass.
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Attack of the clones. Beautiful. Splendid. It's too funny for me to be pissed about.
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Aug 06, 2001 1:35:54 PM CDT
I see why Harry is reluctant to bring up anything "Star Wars"
by odysseus
I'm not crazy about the title, either -- but as a die-hard Star Ward fan (who wan't crazy about Phantom Menace, either) it's embarassing to see such vehement anger about the title of Ep. II. When I read some of these postings, I think a lot of Talk Backers need to take a hike get some perspective on things (or, in many cases, therapy). -
Aug 06, 2001 1:37:14 PM CDT
Wait a minute-- you mean it's NOT going to be "Star Wars: Episod
by pallando blue
Aw eff it, just lost five bucks. >snicker<
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I think I like that. Its less subliminal than TPM and more direct than ROTJ. Its sharp and to the point but then again so's a bullet to the head. Will the REALLY obsesive fanboys like it? Or will they be more like me, dont give a shit what it's called as long as its good!!
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Close, isn't it? But who cares, I will love it in a couple of years, just like "the Phantom Menace" kind of growed...
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They refer to "The Clone Wars" later on in the films.. How would you feel if in ROTJ someone said, "back when the Empire Struck Back"... You'd say "That was gay". You would. Attack of The Clones is the right choice, Imagine yourself when you were a kid, how cool "Return of the Jedi" sounded.. But think about it.. It's corny... And another thing (while I'm thinking about it).. STAR WARS??? Come on, we just accept it because we grew up with it.. STAR WARS is a rediculous title.. But that's besides the point.. The series was ALWAYS for kids.
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Aug 06, 2001 2:38:53 PM CDT
Come on!! Lucas is pulling all your legs, it's actually being ca
by slash0723
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Well, I thought long and hard as to what I should name Episode II, and knowing that just about whatever title I would pin on would no doubt cause a fuss, I ask all Star Wars fans to not judge my book by it's cover - be patient, and wait to see what transpires on the silver screen. Regards, GL
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Ok, three points.
First, it is not that bad, really. I mean, none of the others are particularily brilliant, and I hated TPM at first, but now have come to love it (at least the name). Give it time.
Second, a movie can have a mediocre, or even terrible title, and still succeed, both critically and in the box office. Witness Spy Kids.
Third, and most important, Return of the Jedi was retitled, and this could be too. Personally, I have always felt this one should be called "Fall of the Jedi," but whatever. Man, I hate being late, no one reads your post. -
...and his faithful indian sidekick Jar-Jar!!!
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Star Wars wasn't for kids, it was for teenagers...like me.
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...and his faithful indian sidekick, Jar-Jar!!!
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...and his faithful indian sidekick, Jar-Jar!!!
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It's about time Lucas came right out and said it. Plus, with that title, the CGI creatures can be replaced by sock puppets! Hooray! Moment!
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Aug 06, 2001 3:50:09 PM CDT
It should have been called, Star Wars Episode II: The Clones War
by norm3
Why does Lucas keep treating these movies like Cheesy Saturday Serials
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Can we stop with the wanna-be funny fake Ep II titles? I mean "Episode II: Electric Boogaloo" was funny the first couple of times I saw it, BUT CEASED TO BE HUMOUROUS AFTER ABOUT THE 87,654th TIME. Same goes for the "Episode II: (insert some lame reference including Jar-Jar and a bodily function)" attempts. Face it, people, they're not funny. You're not funny.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed the strange coincidence that this title was announced on the same day that the news services were widely reporting on the two doctors' plans to conduct human cloning experiments. Timely, no? This title, if nothing else, reconfirms Lucas' wish to pay homage to those old Republic serials in the 50s. I just hope the movie itself will be better than this title!
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Seriously, does George get his title suggestions from Homer Simpson? What's next? EpisodeIII-Snakes on a Plane?
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Seriously, does George get his title suggestions from Homer Simpson? What's next? EpisodeIII-Snakes on a Plane?
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As I recall, Mr. guyinthebackrow, you adored "The Phantom Menace", even more than the first three movies (!!!). You know you're going to love "Attack of the Clones", silly title or no... Remember, John Travis Rules, Gya ha ha!!!
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You know what this is? This is George saying "I sure as hell ain't gonna let the fanboys think THEY picked or influenced my title. I'm gonna pick something that NO ONE could have guesed in advance!" Well, GOOD. Who cares what it's called. I once saw a movie called Reservoir Dogs that had no dogs in it. It was still a good movie. I once saw What's Eating Gilbert Grape? No one got eaten. The title is no less corny than Empire Strikes Back, you poor schmoes just can't get over your childhood memories. If the movie sucks, that's one thing. Title? PFFFFT. If it was called Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity Wars, I might be a little perturbed. Attack of the Clones? You know what bugs everyone? The word "Clone." Always sounds weird. Clone clone clone. If it was Attack of the Replicants I bet some of you would say "oh cool," before the rest of you got into the inevitable angry PMS debates that accompany SW news. Wah, wah, wah. Just shut up and go see it like everyone else. If you promise not to whine during the movie, I'll give you some of my gummy bears as a peace offering.
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For those of you who have not been paying attention, this title is TOTATLLY in keeping with Lucas basing the names of the chapters on the old Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers serials. For those who don't know that, look them up, you'll be surprised how much got transplanted into the Star Wars universe. You may not like the name, but that's the way its been since day one,almost 30 years ago. We can now resume with the inane bickering. blah,blah,blah... How could he? blay, blah, blah, Lucas must die! BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! Idiots.
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Regardless of the title that initially made my mouth dry up and my eyes fall out of my skull, Tex-Avery style, I think EpII is going rock something fierce. And just as long as Episode III's title has the word Jedi in it, used reasonably, I'll be fine.
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How about SEND IN THE CLONES!!! But really, I like this title, and I don't always agree with what George Lucas does, but this title works for me. Since all of his titles have serial type names, this fits in. Even RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, and INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM are reminiscent oof the serials of the 1930's. Even if I hated the title I would be confident that the movie will still be spectacular. I guess we will have to wait a couple of months for the teaser to come out before everyone who hates the title will be singing a different song.
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Man, I haven't had such a laugh in so long. These talkbacks are fucking hilarious. I really hope George Mucas is reading this. I really do.
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Aug 06, 2001 6:51:05 PM CDT
The Rock asks George Lucas the name of his latest Star Wars movi
by cesspoolinferno
The Rock: What did you say the name of your latest Star Wars movie is?
George Lucas: It's called Star Wars: Attack of the...(interrupted)
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I simply can not belive that anyone is defending this title. ARE YOU PEOPLE HIGH! Just listen to it... Attack of the Clones. I really dont think i need to say any more.
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Ok, I agree with a post above that stated no one must be capable of saying "no" to Lucas. This is a TERRIBLE title...no one can defend it...it's just flat out bad. It makes TPM title look good in comparison. Good, OBVIOUS titles would be:
Star Wars II: The Clone Wars
Star Wars III: Fall of the Jedi
I really like "Fall of the Jedi"...since it's then followed by "A New Hope"...which is a title that seams to state the prior episode (III) was not a happy one. Fall of the Jedi would also tie in with "Return of the Jedi"...since they actually have to leave to be able to return. Anyway, I don't think a 2nd grader could come up with a worse title...it's not paying homage to anything. Lucas should know better...I still hope it's a joke. -
Ok, I'll make this, my first post, short and bitter sweet. I hate it. I have that sinking feeling-the more I hear of this film the louder my movie crap-o-meeter goes off.
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Aug 06, 2001 8:33:28 PM CDT
The saga continues, "STAR WARS: EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES
by foreskin_jones
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Why not just call it "Star Wars Too" that would be a much better title or how about "The Shadow Falls" whatever happened to that title?
Christ who's directing this Sidney J. Furie. "Attack of the Clones" man that sounds like a bad Roger Corman sci-fi movie from the 1970's starring an afroed R2D2 and a mustachioed C3PO. Please Lucas think this over. On the other hand did anybody else hear that John Williams saw a rough cut of Ep. II and he said that this is the best in the series? I guess we'll find out next summer for sure. Until then we shall wait for "Star Wars Episode III: Jar Jar may I sleep with strangers?" or "Beyond the valley of the Siths". I better stop cause Lucasfilm might be getting some ideas. -
I don't honestly know why I even read these talkback comments! The title is what it is, a serial title that reflects one part of the story. C'mon, people. A New Hope? Attack of the Clones has already beat that title. Why is everyone so quick to bash the films that if you didn't care about, you wouldn't talk back! Does anyone here have an open mind anymore? George could get God Himself to make a cameo as Jabba and you would still bash him. Just think about it: Attack of the Clones. Sinking in yet? Personally, this title sounds A LOT more in tune with the original Holy trilogy than The Phantom Menace. Just let it ride until tomorrow, IT WILL SINK IN AND GROW ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 06, 2001 9:55:46 PM CDT
Serious DISSAPOINTMENT...not about the title...about THIS SITE(t
by brian 2000
Why Harry? Why? You liked Episode One...you even liked Jar Jar. "Mesa luved him" you said. Then you criticized Star Wars because it split the fans up and did not unify them, as though it was anyones faults but the fans. And now all you do is add to the dissent, you rag on Star Wars constantly. You talk about that great wonderful Hobbiton video which wasnt all too wonderful, yet sw.com releases its 5th, over 5 minute, BTS video in full quicktime and it gets ragged on. Now the title comes out...I remember when Episode I title came out...I found out about it from THIS site. And you gave great commentary, now with Ep 2. again you rag on it. You dont even give commentary. I just dont get it. This is Star Wars (by the way when you think about it "STAR WARS" sounds very campy) what happened? Why does posting the second to last title of a Star Wars movie EVER to be revealed have to be "a way to lighten the pressure of the mailboxes"? Why? I really can't respect your opinion when this movie comes out now. Because you'll have spent 3 years ragging on it and then decide you love it (if you do) and praise it and think thats OK. I just dont get it...sorry...I think this site causes more fan rift than Star Wars ever did. Please tell me what happened? I come to find commentary (intelligent that is) on my favorite movie series ever..the series that made me love movies. Yet all I get is cheap "CLOWNS/CLONES" jokes. I almost feel like this is an ET or E! news show now. Because there seems to be less and less pure honestness and love for this medium and artform. Why Harry? Why?
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Aug 06, 2001 10:03:56 PM CDT
Serious DISSAPOINTMENT...not about the title...about THIS SITE(t
by brian 2000
Why Harry? Why? You liked Episode One...you even liked Jar Jar. "Mesa luved him" you said. Then you criticized Star Wars because it split the fans up and did not unify them, as though it was anyones faults but the fans. And now all you do is add to the dissent, you rag on Star Wars constantly. You talk about that great wonderful Hobbiton video which wasnt all too wonderful, yet sw.com releases its 5th, over 5 minute, BTS video in full quicktime and it gets ragged on. Now the title comes out...I remember when Episode I title came out...I found out about it from THIS site. And you gave great commentary, now with Ep 2. again you rag on it. You dont even give commentary. I just dont get it. This is Star Wars (by the way when you think about it "STAR WARS" sounds very campy) what happened? Why does posting the second to last title of a Star Wars movie EVER to be revealed have to be "a way to lighten the pressure of the mailboxes"? Why? I really can't respect your opinion when this movie comes out now. Because you'll have spent 3 years ragging on it and then decide you love it (if you do) and praise it and think thats OK. I just dont get it...sorry...I think this site causes more fan rift than Star Wars ever did. Please tell me what happened? I come to find commentary (intelligent that is) on my favorite movie series ever..the series that made me love movies. Yet all I get is cheap "CLOWNS/CLONES" jokes. I almost feel like this is an ET or E! news show now. Because there seems to be less and less pure honestness and love for this medium and artform. Why Harry? Why?
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I like the title. It's simple and to the point. Of course its serial-style, what did you expect some serious downer of a title like "Seeds of Darkness" or "Deception of the Innocent."
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All of you naysayers really oughta fuck off you annoy me sooooooo goddamned much fuck you all, thank God for a movie like Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.....speaking of that......think of hearing the title "The Empire Strikes Back" the first time.....I mean, how wierd does that sound if you've never heard it before? The title is pretty fucking cool and will grow on us all, so FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKING NAYSAYING NEGATIVE BASTARDS, and by the way, for the that fucking idiot Mr. Creosote, Harry likes the fucking title you FUCKING MORON Jesus Christ.......no wonder I don't post talkbacks anymore all I do is get annoyed at most of you assholes.......Goddammit.....
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This guy is the most over-rated talk show host around.
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As someone else mentioned, the real problem people have is with the word clone. If the title was "Attack of the Sith" you'd all be creaming right now. Clone is just a funny word to most.
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Aug 06, 2001 10:29:38 PM CDT
George: Fiona, can you help me with this title? Fiona: Absolu
by jollydwarf
Fiona: Here goes--Star Wars Episode II"When The Sith Starts The Conflict, He Thinks Like A Chancellor, Who He Knows Throws The Glows When He Hides From The Fight He'll Win The Whole Galaxy 'Fore He Enters The Senate There's Nobody To Flatter When Your Mind Is Your Might, So When You Go Han Solo, You Hold Your Own Blaster And Remember That Depth is The Greatest of Frights And If You Know Where He Stands, Then You Know Where Jango Lands And If Anakin Falls It Won't Matter, 'Cuz He'll Know That He's Right." Well? GEORGE: Uh, great, but I think I like "Attack of the Clones". It REALLY sucks, whereas yours is too long to REALLY suck. But you can still be a handmaiden in Episode III for a Handmaidenjob. FIONA: Wait, who do you think I am? Alanis??
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Oh yeah, and dont forget, you guys are all going crazy for a movie called "The Fellowship of the Ring" What the fuck is that? Oh yes, it's a potentially super cool with a silly title.
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Say it isn't so, George. Say it isn't so, George! "Attack of the Clones?" I admit that this is my instant knee-jerk reaction, but come-ON! What comes to mind here after learning of the Episode Two title is NOT Jedis, lightsabers, spaceships, and cool special effects. What comes to mind is "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." "Attack of the 50-Foot Woman." "Attack of the Cretins of AICN Talkback." I see 1950's sci-fi CHEESE written all over this title, George. What's wrong with this picture? I understand that "Star Wars: Episode Two: The Clone Wars" sounds redundant, but it still has some class to it. "Attack of the Killer Clones" . . . Oops. Sorry. I mean, "Attack of the Clones" sounds like the crappy film I'd see in an old-time Saturday Matinee before I saw the better flick with Humphrey Bogart. Granted, cheesy serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers were what inspired you to write "Star Wars" in the first place, but they had a bit of camp coolness to them. Your new Episode Two title does not harken back to those Saturday matinee serials, but to the cheeseball "Outer-Limits" style sci-fi epics like "Plan 9 From Outer Space." Do your fans a favor and do what you did in 1982 when you changed the title of "Revenge of the Jedi" to "Return of the Jedi." Give us a title we can get behind!
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Aug 06, 2001 11:17:06 PM CDT
He should've called it "When Savannah Smiles", oh wait, that tit
by cruel shoes
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Even Ep.4 makes reference to that phrase. Attack of the Clones seems all rather weak when compared to The Phantom Menace, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and The Return of the Jedi. I don't know how else to phrase this than the following: Does the title REALLY fit with the theme of the films? Granted, Empire Strikes Back sounds a little funny, too, but when you listen to yourself say it, it has a resonance, a sense of impending doom, that whatever was done to them will be paid back with a vengeance (just as the Return of the Jedi carries with it the promise of the old order returning). I don't know... I just think calling it The Clone War would have blended it into the series better... But I'm just a dumb mo.
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Wait a second. This is a joke right? You can't really be serious. I'm imagining this, right? I'm going to wake up and the title is still going to be unannounced. Please, God, let that happen. Please, God. Normally, I don't like to talkback to SW articles but, this is beyond even my level of self-control. I liked the title of EP1. It gave us something to think about. A NEW HOPE gave us something to think about. TESB and ROTJ didn't. There is no imagination in ATTACK OF THE CLONES. There's no deeper meaning, no imagery, no metaphorically meaning. I now know exactly what is going to transpire in the movie. I'm sorry, I don't like it. But, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. Keep it real?
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I don't know if you guys know this, but george lucas issued a press release...here's what he said ...
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Yes it's true. Lucas is full of shit. Drunk with power. Get ready for another crap fest!
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Saw this on filmjerk (http://www.filmjerk.com/010807lucas.html):
A discomfited George Lucas issued a press statement late Monday evening, shortly after he learned of the faux pas posting of the title of the new Star Wars movie on his website:
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It seems like a lot of people come to this site and bitch and moan about this or that ... anything dealing with film. So why do you keep comming here? A lot of you obviously hate movies because you can't seem to say anything good about them. It's just a movie title for crying out loud (and a good one at that). It really is no worse than using Star Wars as a movie title. If you really don't like the title ... or you think that the movie will suck, then don't go see it. I for one am very excited about this film ... especially now. I'm picturing armies of thousands of clones in a serious kick-ass battle. To all of you people that say the title sucks ... well Lucas isn't making this film for you. He's making it for me and for everyone else that still sees the fun in watching movies.
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STAR WARS EPISODE III-
THE RISE OF THE GENETICALLY IDENTICAL LASER SWORDSMEN.
GUEST STARRING JOHN TRAVOLTA AS,
WEDGE Sr.
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AOTC. The initials are pretty cool, at least, unlike ROTJ, which always looks to me like an AOLer saying "Rolling on the john". What I'M really worried about is Episode III: The Empire Finally Rears Its Butt-ugly Head.
As a side note, anyone notice how much Harry's head resembles an "A" on his book cover? I guess that could be good... "A"in'titcool.com and all... and now he can sponsor episodes of Sesame Street. Aw, Harry, I'm just kiddin', fucknuts. -
Aug 07, 2001 12:20:00 AM CDT
Take "Star Wars - Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones" and replace
by darth ranik
You dork's are something else. The public outcry was exactly the same back in '98 when Ep1's name was announced. See the damn movie and let the title grow on you. I bet you won't hate it so much after some time has passed. I can't say I like it all that much, but I didn't care much for TPM and it doesn't realy bother me much now, and I'm sure AotC will be much the same. It's just the title of the movie. Look at it this way....if say Pam Anderson's name was Gertrude Haglady....you'd still want to screw the piss out of her...understand?
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"A Thousand Clones", "Star Wars II: The Wrath of Clones", "Star Wars Reloaded". This is fun. I'm going to stray a bit off topic here but I was wondering if any of you guys could help me. See I recently bought a CD Burner and I need to know what program I have to download or software I have to buy to convert my MP3's into wav. files so that I can copy them onto a CD. Do you guys have any idea?
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Gee did anyone expect a more elevated title from a franchise aimed at an audience with the mental age of 3?
Just be happy he didn't call it Star Wars II: Me Likee Moneyy. Guess what George Lucas can call the movie anything he likes, he can put anything he likes in the movie up to and including home video of him getting a CGI rim job from Jar Jar Binks and still make the same amount of money because all toy and fast food merchandising will make the money profitable before it even opens and every critic and institution will try and jump on the bandwagon to try and get a piece of the action.
The idiots will still be lining up for months to see this crap and if all they see on the screen is 90 minutes of static, they'll still go see that same 90 minutes of static 20 times. Essentially Lucas has figured out what most people allready knew, Star Wars fans are morons.
He also figured out that the real money comes from the kiddie market and that adults will either go out of nostalgia or cultural pressure because of the hype and by the time anyone is the wiser, he'll have pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars and be back to planning the third film, Star Wars III: Jar Jar gets Gungan Rabies.
And you'll go see it because you have Gungan Rabies too!
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I dunno...I guess the title recalls the "serials of old"...but....it's kind of cheesy....I used to wish I would live to see the end of the saga, but now, I don't give a shit. I mean, I'll see it, and I guess that'll be $9.00 in his pocket, but....*sigh*... I was at a stoplight at the intersection of Beverly and LaCienega a few months ago and Irvin Kershner walked across the crosswalk right in front of my car...he seemed at peace....I don't know why...Empire has been bastardized beyond all recognition...thank christ for DVD-R...I shall soon have a DVD of the entire original 1977-83 trilogy in my posession to cleanse the palette and show my kids and grandkids one day. I want them to see the films that we (27-32yr.old) grew up with. We can only hope that some lowly p.a. will speak up when they are authoring the Ep. 4-6 DVDs and say, "Why don't you put BOTH versions on there...like they did with The Abyss?". C'mon...someone take a stand. "You think it really matters, Eddie?" They'll just give you all the same response: "It's George's movie, he can do whatever he wants..." All of you with Laserdiscs should cherish your Definitive Collection Box Set, or else hop on E-Bay and grab it 'cause it's the last remaining link to the past...
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First of all, it's not about Attack of the Clones, it's about Star Wars. Next May when we all skip work to go stand in line 9 hours for tickets, you aren't going to stay "10 adults for Attack of the Clones, please" you're going to say, give me 10 freakin tickets for Star Wars so I can get my Jango on. In 1977 if you hear a new sci-fi movie was coming out called "A New Hope", you'd go see your dead gramma before you spent $3 on that crappy title. Your other favorite movies? The Matrix? Before 1997, matrices were the reason I made Cs in trig, that's it. All these complaints coming from a board full of dorks who would spend $50 for a DVD of Kevin Smith and / or Bruce Campbell picking their asses.
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It's perfect! Corman and company couldn't have come up with a better name if they tried! I can't wait to see this movie.
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Just a little snag stopping me from undertanding what the complaints are all about: i dont get why the title has to be something pretentious and "meaningful".
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No wonder he loves Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back!! If the purpose of Jay and Bob is to take the piss out of the more obsessive movie fans and Harry digs the film what does Harry think of his creation now. I suspect that harry wishs that he never started Aint it cool. The darker side of humanity really comes out on some these talkbacks and as I read them the more I thank God that the Atlantic ocean is between me and most of the people that post on the Star Wars Talk backs. Some of these people are genuinely scarey and the worryingly thing about some of them is that they have access to firearms!!! How can some people vent so much anger and hate about the title of what is just after all a fucking movie, when there are some REAL things in the world, beyond the monitors of their PC, that they should be getting very angry and doing something about! If people poured this much effort into fighting the injustices in this world, we might all get to live in a world where some of us dont have to retreat into the the mythology of films in order to hide just how fucked in the head they are. OK sermon over now. I still like the title after a night sleeping on it. And on another note I'm old enougth to remember what most people's reaction was in '77 to a film that they had heard of but not yet seen. "Star Wars??! What kind of title is that? Sounds like some fucking 50's B-movie." M'lord, the defence rests
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I do not see how someone can defend this title. People whine and say "Well, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi sound just like serial titles, so what's the big deal?" I'll tell you. A title is only as good as its indiviual words and the way they resonate when combined. The Empire Strikes back gets a big boost from the use of the word "empire". The word itself is cool. Big, grand. "Strikes back" is a more clever and orginal way of saying "Attacks". Return of the Jedi also sounds cool. The word Jedi, on a psychological level just sounds cool. As for a New Hope? Kind of bland, but lets face it it was known as Star Wars- an absolute brilliant title. Simple, rhyme-like. Epic.
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Shadows of the Empire and Dark Forces are great titles, but Attack of the Clones?? Why?? It just boggles the mind... Even if the movie is about clones attacking Lucas should surely be a little more original than that. I mean it isn't difficult. Why not have a fan poll to choose the title... We only have one more Star Wars movie left after this one George, don't insult your fans with these childish titles.
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I hate to break this to you, but "The Fellowship of the Ring" was the title of the book and since it's an adaptation, it really wouldn't make sense to change the title, would it? I do agree though, that "Attack of the Clones" sounds really stupid. First Jar Jar Binks and that alien with the bad asian accent and now this. I think Lucas has spent too much time alone up in the woods and has completely lost touch with the real world. He has surrounded himself with people who worship him and don't have the balls to tell him he's fucking up royally. Maybe he should call Ep. 2 "Spiderman will kick my ass!"
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i'm gonna make this short. i love titles. i'm a title kinda guy. like, really really love em. titles are extremely important to me. especially when it comes to movies. and science fiction (a personal fav genre of mine in general) has some of the GREATEST titles, in my opinion. for example, Close Encounters, Starship Troopers, Alien, and so on. i love those ones dearly. the movies and the titles. but the thing is, my no. 1 favourite title of ALL TIME is "The Empire Strikes Back." The word empire is such a cool word. and it's not just bloody returning, it's fucking STRIKING BACK!!! ok. the point is, this title is a shit sack. i really really enjoyed The Phantom Menace title. it's a dandy one, if you ask me. in fact, that's a really fucking good title. but Attack of the Clones is complete crap. it's insulting. Suddenly, The Shadow Falls, although not GREAT, sounds a whole shitload better.
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Yeck
Ptewwwwyyyy
So glad I never bothered to see episode I or the special editions of TESB or ROTJ. I remain blissfully ignorant of the descent of George Lucas into babytalk hell...
Maybe if he spent more time with cheap hookers and strippers, instead of trying to raise a family, he'd get a good idea now and then...
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Based on the list someone else pointed out as probably being Lucas' inspiration for these insipid titles (http://www.mindspring.com/~phantom21/PD-Index.html), I predict that the title for Episode III will be "The Sinister Hand of Doom." No, I don't think it will be something like "The Sinister Hand of Lord Vader/the Sith/the Dark Jedi." Those would be too specific and using "Jedi" would be too obvious since everybody is predicting the Episode III title will have either "dark" or "Jedi" in it, and we know how George seems to have much disdain for fans who come up with better ideas for his universe than he can now. "The Sinister Hand of Doom" sounds silly and cheesy. And the "sinister hand" could refer to both Vader, Palpy, and the Sith, and "doom" with the dark, sad fates for the characters at the end of this trilogy. In other words, it's perfect, and exactly the kind of shitty childish title that George Lucas loves. So mark my words, gang: the title for the next chapter is "Star Wars: Episode III -- The Sinister Hand of Doom." Get used to it and get in line for your tickets!
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There is a clear line drawn. This is not about just a movie. The Star Wars trilogy was about a boy becoming a man. (Except for the getting laid and drunk part).
This Harry Potter "Phantom" "Attack" tripe is for children.
Just apeaseing the soccer moms and chubby faced zygoats was not enough for our multi billionare story teller. Not only did he write exclusivly for "The cash in on kids campaign" he travelled back in time to liberate a cold blooded smuggler of his gritty nature. Why? Lucas has ceast to be a story teller and become solely a profiteer. Change of heart. He can afford it. In fact its a brilliant finacial move. Gates would be proud. Speilberg as you know will do the same by digitally erasing the guns from the agents at the end of ET. Thank god we have them to shield us from the ugly side of humanity, and in turn givin thier bloody, senational version of morality and justice. (Schndler, Ryan) They stood up, and sacrificed thier artistic integerty... for us, for you. For hard cash. There is a fine line between fan and fool and Lucas is banking on that. Because todays young fan is tomorrows 6 DVD MEGA LETTERBOX SET owner. "Won't sombody please think of the children"? -
I saw the title, and thought it miught be an April fool's joke, then I realized it's not the first of April, and I got really pissed off. Seriously, this sounds like a B-grade horror movie. What the fuck happened to the real Lucas, the one who made the original star wars trilogy. This title sounds like Lucas has been hanging around his kids to long. Hell, even his kids would probably think this sounds stupid. What happened to 'The shadow falls'. That title sounded cool. Couldn't it have been 'The clone wars'. Anything would have been better than 'attack of the clones'. Bugger.
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Go to the article announcing the title to Episode One here:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=2191
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Beware !!! "Attack of the Clones" is not a title but a message from Darth Lucas to his evil space army waiting behind the moon. Everybody - get out your guns now and get ready to defend your homes and loved ones!
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At least the title is to the point... I mean you pretty much know what your getting out of the movie.... If you go to this movie, expect to see 1. Clones. 2. Attacks and 3. Clones attacking things. I'm sure there's MORE to the movie than these 3 things, but at least your not going to go expecting APES or TOMB RAIDERS to attack our heroes.
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Aug 07, 2001 3:10:00 AM CDT
The Difference Between The Old Titles And The New, And Why The N
by irishstephen
Yes, on the surface, "Attack Of The Clones" seems to follow that serial tradition, and seems no less grand than "The Empire Strikes Back," or "A New Hope," or "The Return Of The Jedi." But I think I can make the case that it is missing a key meaning that the others have, and it has to do with what you learn in each movie. I leave out "The Phantom Menace," which works well enough, and has no film preceding it anyway.
Each of the titles:
"The Empire Strikes Back" - We saw the Empire in Ep 4. We know it can kick some serious ass when it wants too. Sure, they lost the Death Star, but, well, they are called The Empire for a reason. So when we see this title, we know alot of shite is going to go down.
"The Return Of The Jedi" - Okay, we also know now about the Jedi. We've met Yoda. We know that the Jedi were bad-arses, that the Empire feared them. Their return is going to mess up the Empire. Again, based on what we've seen, this title carries a certain weight.
"A New Hope" - Of course, I haven't seen Eps 2 or 3, so I can't make the case for this for certain, but I imagine that at the end of Ep 3 things will look pretty hopeless. I think the rest is pretty obvious.
So now...
"Attack Of The Clones" - Aside from a quick mention in Ep 4, we don't know anything about the Clone Wars. And we certainly know nothing about clones. So what's a clone? If you read that CNN article, well a clone at best seems to be a deformed baby that won't develope properly. Doesn't sound too dangerous.... Seriously though, my point is that we know nothing about George Lucas' idea of clones (which, knowing George's genious for cool ideas, barring comments about his execution of them, will probably be pretty cool), the thought of clones attacking carries no resonance. Are they dangerous? Whom are they attacking? Why does it matter? No weight, no meaning.
So basically, I feel that all the titles flow from each previous film, and this new one just doesn't do so.
And if that can't convince you all, The Almighty doesn't like it either.
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Aug 07, 2001 3:11:48 AM CDT
The Difference Between The Old Titles And The New, And Why The N
by irishstephen
Yes, on the surface, "Attack Of The Clones" seems to follow that serial tradition, and seems no less grand than "The Empire Strikes Back," or "A New Hope," or "The Return Of The Jedi." But I think I can make the case that it is missing a key meaning that the others have, and it has to do with what you learn in each movie. I leave out "The Phantom Menace," which works well enough, and has no film preceding it anyway.
Each of the titles:
"The Empire Strikes Back" - We saw the Empire in Ep 4. We know it can kick some serious ass when it wants too. Sure, they lost the Death Star, but, well, they are called The Empire for a reason. So when we see this title, we know alot of shite is going to go down.
"The Return Of The Jedi" - Okay, we also know now about the Jedi. We've met Yoda. We know that the Jedi were bad-arses, that the Empire feared them. Their return is going to mess up the Empire. Again, based on what we've seen, this title carries a certain weight.
"A New Hope" - Of course, I haven't seen Eps 2 or 3, so I can't make the case for this for certain, but I imagine that at the end of Ep 3 things will look pretty hopeless. I think the rest is pretty obvious.
So now...
"Attack Of The Clones" - Aside from a quick mention in Ep 4, we don't know anything about the Clone Wars. And we certainly know nothing about clones. So what's a clone? If you read that CNN article, well a clone at best seems to be a deformed baby that won't develope properly. Doesn't sound too dangerous.... Seriously though, my point is that we know nothing about George Lucas' idea of clones (which, knowing George's genious for cool ideas, barring comments about his execution of them, will probably be pretty cool), the thought of clones attacking carries no resonance. Are they dangerous? Whom are they attacking? Why does it matter? No weight, no meaning.
So basically, I feel that all the titles flow from each previous film, and this new one just doesn't do so.
And if that can't convince you all, The Almighty doesn't like it either.
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I have adamantly defended The Phantom Menace for over two years now, but, well, I just can't do that anymore. Sure, a book's cover isn't it's content, but it is still an indication as to where the creator's mind is going. Yes, Mr. Lucas, Star Wars was always intended to be a fun serial aimed at our youth, but if that is the case, why was "Empire" made so damn adult-themed? I love Star Wars. I grew up with it. But please take your fans more seriously. You don't have to bow to them--I would prefer you didn't, actually. But still LISTEN to them and take SOME advice--they do not want this cheesy title. Even if "Empire Strikes Back" was very similar, why not do something better? You can! And there is indeed 'a new hope'--Episode VI was changed from "Revenge" to "Return". It's not too late to correct this mistake. 'Clones' is fine, keep that, but 'attack' needs to go.
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"The Phantom Menace" title was weak, and after seeing the disappointing film, it seemed liked a good fit.
Now we have one of the worst titles Lucas (or one of his kids) possibly could have come up with "Attack Of The Tomatoes", oh sorry "Clones". Well the final judgement can only come after we have seen the film. If it manages to be a good film, the bad title will seem less of nightmare, then it does now.
For those tasteless people so blinded by love of "Star Wars" that say it's not too bad, wake up! This is an insult to any mature adult fan of the series!
I think SW and TESB are two of the best films ever made, true classic's that captured my heart.
Since TESB, Lucas has changed his vision of the "Star Wars" story and design, and the results have been two very mediocre films, that been full of holes and childish crap.
I doubt I can even buy the DVD for TPM, even though I am a huge DVD fan, and have long desired to see SW and TESB as great special editions, because I hate to give more money to Lucas and partner in crime Rick McCallum for producing such shit!
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How corny can you get? It sounds like some B-Grade movie......
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Good grief!! If George Lucas filmed hard core porn featuring a donkey and Pauly Shore there would be people out there telling us to be grateful he graced us with his talent! Marlon Wayans is warming up a 3rd Scary Movie installment for this one, I'm sure....
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I have adamantly defended The Phantom Menace for over two years now, but, well, I just can't do that anymore. Sure, a book's cover isn't it's content, but it is still an indication as to where the creator's mind is going. Yes, Mr. Lucas, Star Wars was always intended to be a fun serial aimed at our youth, but if that is the case, why was "Empire" made so damn adult-themed? I love Star Wars. I grew up with it. But please take your fans more seriously. You don't have to bow to them--I would prefer you didn't, actually. But still LISTEN to them and take SOME advice--they do not want this cheesy title. Even if "Empire Strikes Back" was very similar, why not do something better? You can! And there is indeed 'a new hope'--Episode VI was changed from "Revenge" to "Return". It's not too late to correct this mistake. 'Clones' is fine, keep that, but 'attack' needs to go. Oh, and by the way, for those who bash LOTR titles, um, how can I put this kindly? I won't. LOTR speaks for itself, and will when it is released. A reminder to all self-styled critics: Nothing belongs to you by right. With each and every performance to have to EARN the fans' respect. Lucas is riding too much on the legacy of the original trilogy.
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Tourist that's for you mate, I wish Sid James was in this....
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My ten-year-old little brother loved the new title. Now personally I don
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When I first heard the title was "Attack of the Clones" I groaned, but I groaned in the same way I did when Jar Jar was in a scene. Now I am over my 31 year old reaction and I love it. The Star Wars movies are great fun.
When we see the first trailer for "Attack of the Clones" we will all feel the hairs on the back of our necks stand up.
Everyone seems to have a personalized fantasy of how the Star Wars movies should be.
Ideally for me, they would be hard "R" with lots of naked Natalie and slo motion laser gun play, but that wouldn't fit what Star Wars movies are about.
They are about childhood escape and fantasy, and they are great for that and The Phantom Menace is a cool movie, and dare I say one hundred times the movie over anything I have seen this summer.
In ten years we won't mind watching all 6 of the Star Wars movies, but will we really give a shit about Michael Bay movies or this summer's rancid "Jurassic Park" offering. Christ, at least there is a story in the Star Wars movies.
George Lucas is not insane. He is a really cool guy who has constructed a world where he can make anything happen. He has tremendous vision and ambition. Cut him some slack, because what it boils down to is everyone of your butts will be in the theater next summer to check it out.
The child in you will love it, and the adult in you will run here to complain about what it should have been.
For me, it will be a long wait!
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Ok, the titles shit, but I still think I'm going to the States for dis moovie, Jango Fett, he has to be cool !
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Aug 07, 2001 3:59:58 AM CDT
It should be "EpII You're Going to Give Me 8 Bucks Anyways"
by sabretooth1974
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Because nobody else did!!! Remember, there were some Star Wars fans speculating on the title all the time. Some of them Came up with very cool titles. But no one came up wit Attack of the Clones. Don't you people think that Lucasfilm checks these titles?
If somebody else came up with it, they cannot use it, because it wouldn't be original.
George is just avoiding the " Fanboy came up with the title first!!" crap. Some demented SW fan will boast about it on the internet. Sells his story to "60 minutes". Telling everybody he came up with the title, wanting to sew Lucasfilm. I'm a major Star Wars fan, but some of them are just Scary. I've got a little piece of advice for the fans. Don't speculate on the title for Episode III. It will ruin it for everybody else. I just think the title has to sink in. The most important thing is that the movie is cool.
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Because nobody else did!!! Remember, there were some Star Wars fans speculating on the title all the time. Some of them Came up with very cool titles. But no one came up wit Attack of the Clones. Don't you people think that Lucasfilm checks these titles?
If somebody else came up with it, they cannot use it, because it wouldn't be original.
George is just avoiding the " Fanboy came up with the title first!!" crap. Some demented SW fan will boast about it on the internet. Sells his story to "60 minutes". Telling everybody he came up with the title, wanting to sew Lucasfilm. I'm a major Star Wars fan, but some of them are just Scary. I've got a little piece of advice for the fans. Don't speculate on the title for Episode III. It will ruin it for everybody else. I just think the title has to sink in. The most important thing is that the movie is cool.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ahaha hh hhahahahahah...that's the funniest fucking thing I've heard in ages.
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"Isn't it rich, are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns."
ATTACK OF THE CLONES? Really?
No one can guess these titles precisely because no one COULD guess these titles. The Phantom Menance never even got close to intepreting or foreshadowing the pick and mix bag of plot and character content of the first movie. Here we have another title that (from what I've read as spoilers already) seems to be wide of the mark by being so damn obvious and patronizingly "media friendly". Subtitles as subtext? Maybe - but here we have subtitle as gimmick. I grimaced when the prefix "Star Wars" was all-but-dropped in favour of "Episode x". Now the whole thing looks, sounds and feels like badly reworked 50's era Flash Gordon: *This weeks Episode - The Attack of the Clones* - with neither the story telling revelations, nor the pathos; just an enormous hubris and lack of trust in the mythos that spawned the fans that created the film empire.
More than ever I believe that Lucas made a mistake in dictating these films (in the worst banana republic sense) and not allowing others to (re)invent each chapter under his supervision. Unfortunately, as his power has increased, the breadth and quality of his vision seems to have declined in equal measure.
Surely there must be some intellegent filmakers/producers (I'm widening this in conclusion to Enterprise) left who can actually make credible, higher ground, devotion worthy fantasy without compromising to marketing, demographics, ship design junkies or news junkets?
Why shouldn't fans get upset and speak their minds? Why should a generation see a franchise being transformed from timeless classice to wasted time? People feel that just by venting they can make a difference. The DVD trailer showed that someone, somewhere was listening... so listen again and start falling back in love with something other than control, box office, toys, media, technology and get back to telling a personal story filled with adventure.
Thank God Lucas didn't attempt Lord of the Rings. (Or Episode the First: A Small Hope. Episode Sequel: Rohan Strikes back. Episode III: Orc Attack.)
The studio system is sorely missed.
-RooBarb the high, hard and mighty.
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>> Dwarf vs C3PO <<
Star Wars Episode 2: the droid wars
A special effects make-up artist who has worked on the new Star Wars film reveals that R2D2 actor Kenny Baker and C3PO Anthony Daniels REALLY hate each other. (When one enters a room, the other leaves etc).
On one of the last days of filming on Episode II, the make-up team were putting the finishing touches to the droid costumes and all that had to be done was Anthony Daniel's face, and the lid on R2D2...
In a deadpan voice, Anthony Daniels proclaimed: "The face doesn't go on until the dwarf is in the can"...
from p_pb_itch
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just call it "the clone wars" attack of the clones - blows
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Or should I say: THE PURISTS STRIKE BACK. I think there are bunches of people out there who, having seen the first three movies as children, before they had the adult minds to pick over things, have enshrined those movies in a very clean and sterile place in their hearts. These are the people who insist that the director and executive producer of all the films, the creator of the films himself can't do anything they don't like with the films because it would spoil their memories of them. Well, boo-hoo. He's the author and not you. And unlike nine out of ten filmmakers in hollywood (scratch that, he works out of San Francisco) he doesn't run every idea he has past marketing. He's independently minded (dammit, he's even defying convention on the cameras he used to shoot the damn movie: HD) and he's not trying for the same effect over and over. I think in another year, nobody will even remember that there was a dispute over the trade- sorry - that there was a dispute over the naming of the film. They'll be too busy going fanboy, one way or another, over the movie itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Let's all try to remember something (you older Talk Backers may remember this): the reason that "REVENGE of the Jedi" was changed to "RETURN of the Jedi" was because of a little film called "The REVENGE of Khan" was on its way. No one wanted any of the problems which comes with two high profile science-fiction series films in the theatres at the same time. Lucas changed the name. Forget this bullshit about how a Jedi would never take revenge (as is referenced on every Star Wars FAQ I've ever read); anyone who thinks that Lucas takes the mythology of his films that seriously is living in a Goddamn dream world already.
Oh, yeah, and ATTACK of the Clones sucks because it's...well, it's vulgar. "Strike" (as in the Empire STRIKES Back) is a nice, more subdued expression. ATTACK is over-the-top. Leaves nothing to the imagination. -
The points I'm going to make have already been made here seperately, so I figured I'd save everyone the trouble and sum it all up: The entire "Star Wars" series has always been a space opera serial that pays homage to the old sci-fi matinees with which Lucas "grew up". Like a cinematic Peter Pan George Lucas has used these films to make some attempt (however awkward) to keep that child-like wonder alive in this series. When he first showed "A New Hope" to some of his associates back in `77, they took pity on him, saying they were sorry he got stuck with such a lemon.(Only Spielberg remained optimistic.) Well, we all know what happened..._________________ But his audience has grown more complex, jaded and has been embittered after seeing their childhood raped by TPM, a film whose greatest crime is that of mediocrity in the face of ridiculous expectations. I'm hoping "Attack of the Clones" is better than its title, even though I understand why Lucas insists on using it. I would have prefered "The Shadow Falls" or "Fall of the Republic" but then again, I would have also prefered to get laid in HS and not have the wealth of spare time to be explaining the psyche of George Lucas to talkbackers. Nevertheless, I'll still snicker at posts stating something to the effect of "it sounds like a B-sci-film!". Without a budget the size of Burundei's deficit, it is exactly that. I'm Rabid Republican and this has been a public service announcement.
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1. First of all, as of now, anybody who makes mention of Killer Clowns or Killer Tomatoes is about a day behind in your humor. Please stop yourself for the sake of your own dignity. It's been done. 2. Tolkien didn't select the names of the three LOTR books! He intended it to be one book, it was the publisher who split it up into three volumes. 3. People say this title shows that Lucas doesn't care about the fans. I'm sorry, when were we all made paid employees of Lucasfilm? I didn't realize everything had to be passd by us for approval first. It's HIS money, HIS crew, HIS film. You can dislike it all you want, but don't sit there and say Lucas has betrayed you by selecting the title FOR HIS OWN MOVIE. 4. This is no worse a title than The Empire Strikes Back, or Romancing the Stone, for the matter. Besides, it's long stopped being about the subtitle and all about Star Wars Episode I, Star Wars Episode II. It's like a chapter title in a book -- it's one big story, this is just one part. Have any of you stopped reading a book because you didn't like a chapter title? Didn't think so.
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Aug 07, 2001 4:49:11 AM CDT
It's 1948. We're All Kids, Rowdy In A Matinee In Modesto, CA.
by buzz maverik
Somebody is already dripping Coke from the balcony and two 6th graders are making out. I've just traded an issue of WHIZ COMICS, starring Captain Marvel, for an issue of THE SPIRIT and I feel pretty smart. We ignore the news reel, but here comes the serial so we all shut up and pay attention. It's the latest STAR WARS and it's about Luke Skywalker's son or cousin or father or something. This is part two. ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Neato! He's gonna fight some clones. Should be good.
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I thought they were supposed to hire a scriptwriter this time to keep it from becoming another crapfest!
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Okay, I grew up on Star Wars like most people here. Let me tell you, I didn't hate Episode One, but I didn't like it. It was a kid's movie. The originals were not targeted to anybody, which made them good for kids and adults. Lucas keeps saying 2 is going to be darker than 1, but with a title like this, I don't belive it. It reminds me of the Attack of the Killer Clowns. Total B-Movie. I have lost what little respect I have for George Lucas. The man is nuts. I think he was sane 20 years ago, but all that money went to his head and replaced his brain. Can someone supply me with his e-mail address so I can YELL THE SHIT OUT OF HIM FOR MAKING SUCH A SHITTY TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There isn't a human being out there who is going to take him seriously. After the world was disapointed with the Episode One, I doubt that people are going to see this especially with that title. I hope Fox comes in and bitch slaps Lucas to force him change the title. I am still looking forward to the movie, but Lucas, if you're reading this, KILL JAR JAR BINKS OFF AND CHANGE THE GODDAMN TITLE YOU BASTARD!! STOP MESSING WITH MY CHILDHOOD!!!!!!!!
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Aug 07, 2001 4:57:44 AM CDT
It could be worse, it could have been titled STAR WARS: RELOADED
by matrix_sux
I really hope it's one of those Revenge/Return of the Jedi things. Although IF the movie kicks ass, I might forgive him
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Its still gonna be a star wars film, which i like, and any star wars film is better then no star wars film. So im grateful we get any (and if lucas read most opinions here, we wouldnt) despite the name.
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Just thought I'd throw in my two cents...
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A CORRECTION FROM LUCASFILM
A discomfited George Lucas issued a press statement late Monday evening, shortly after he learned of the faux pas posting of the title of the new Star Wars movie on his website:
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This film is gonna get ripped apart by everyone from toyfare to kevin smith yeez.The last time
a film had a terrible title was
the phantom menace and it also turned out to be a terrible film
and attack is worse than that so
does it mean it's gonna be worse then phantom?Only time will tell
What will episode 3 be called?
Easy.STAR WARS EPISODE III:"TRIP
TO THE LAVA PITT".God attack sounds like something the old MAD
magazine would come up with to take the piss out of star wars
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Star Wars II - Attack of the Killer Clones!!
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Attack Of The Clones HAS to be a fake title. For anyone who's read any of the treatments from the Net will know.THERE ARE NO CLONES IN EPII! The only clone in Episode II is Boba fett and he's 10 years old (hardly a major enough a threat to warrant "attack" status). The clones havent been finished by the time EPII ends so there arent any clones in the fucking film..... In my opinion, Lucas is dicking with us. If he thought about his own script for 2 seconds he'd see that there AREN'T any clones in it so they can't attack. Fuck the title... it's a title.
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Okay, two cents...
One cent: GL's title works. It's not dark and obscure. It's to the point, and will not have non-fans scratching their heads. And, yeah, it's his movie...
One more cent: Countries whose language does not have a word for "clone" will definitely invent one of not use it at all, so alternate titles will be needed pronto from Lucasfilm. I don't think Spanish has a word for clone, nor Chinese, for sure, so some titles are gonna be different, and not necessarily better ones!
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Everybody (including me) whinged when the name 'The Phantom Menace' was released - "It's sounds like a blummin' Power Rangers episode for God's sake", but now, its taken, it doesn't seem that lame, it seems right, and it rolls of the tongue just like Empire Strikes Back or Return of The Jedi. If this is the name (and I hope it isn't) then by the time its released it will seem right, and, before you know it we'll be moaning about the name of Episode 3, and how its so much worse than 'Attack of the Clones'
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It is pretty clear that Lucas didn't want the word "War" in the title of a kiddie movie. And I can understand that - so why not "Star Wars II - The Clone Conflict" or "The Clone Involvement" or any of the other words that the US used to describe Vietnam. "Clones R US??" "Star Wars Episode II - Clones on Ice?" "Cloning for Dummies?" Personally, I don't see why they didn't follow the lead from "Breakin'" and call it "Star Wars Episode II - Cloning Boogaloo".
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Ole Tubeneck has lost his ever-luvvin mind. I can appreciate the 30s/40s serial quality of the title, but it's just too cheesy for words. Harry's right -- parodies from THE SIMPSONS back to MAD Magazine in the late 70s have riffed so commonly on the "Send in the Clones" theme that this just comes off as a bad joke. I liked THE SHADOW FALLS much better. I just hope the film is more satifying than TPM, that's the main thing!
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Is there any significance as to why GL chose today to release the title? It's ten more months before the movie reaches screens. How late did he announce TPM? Did he do it because someone else was close to guessing it, and he needed it for whatever copyrighting, registering a website, etc... Any spies out there know? I'm asking 'cuz it feels a bit early. I thought we'd have to wait until the first teaser trailer in November...
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I'm sure if "The Empire Strikes Back" had blown, everyone would have made fun of ITS name. And come to think of it, "Return of the Jedi" is nearly bloody identical to this one. If you don't like Attack of the Clones then FINE, but what the fuh does that have to do with the movie?? If you have no intention of liking Episode II then you're not gonna like Episode II. Give the thing a chance. Oh, and incidentally, it's not your movie.
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Unlike 'The Phantom Menace' I cannot envisage myself liking this title by next May. When I close my eyes the night before it opens I'll just see tomatoes. The most frustrating thing about this decision is that there are heaps of better titles that mean roughly the same thing. Some guy mentioned above 'The Clones Attack' - still sucks but at least its better than 'Attack of the Clones'. I still have faith the movie will rock but just feel that Lucas has brought upon himself unnecessary ridicule.
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really interesting which Star Wars sites used these phrases before it was official.... google will use "Attack +of +the Clones"
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George Lucas might as well of titled it "Star Wars Episode 2: Jar-Jar Goes To La-La Land" for God's sake! I have a feeling this title is going to turn a lot of people off from seeing this movie, and you better believe I'm close to being one of them! The titles for Star Wars movies are supposed to send a chill down your spine, not make you laugh! Take Episode 1, the words "The Phantom Menace" were reason enough for me to see the movie, not to mention preorder the DVD! What has happened to the Star Wars universe we know and love, I ask you? What's the title for the third one gonna be? "Star Wars Episode 3: Anakin Becomes Naughty"? Gimme a break!
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If you hate the title, here's an idea: don't go to see the movie. But if you must go, then go a week after it opens so it doesn't have a huge opening weekend. Or wait until the movie is at your local dollar theatre. Hit George where it counts, in the wallet. Maybe then he'll listen to you.
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It's just a title. If the movie rocks, you all will be re-anointing Lucas as your god. If the movie blows, well, you'll have more important things to complain about.
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...thanks for the spoiler warning. And in caps as well, making it even harder to avoid. Nice move, ace.
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Star Wars is not a religion. Most of you have 'clowned' yourselves much more than Lucas ever could with your inflated devotion to a world that is not even designed for you. Congratulations on bleeding every drop of joy out of something that was meant to entertain your inner child. Not complete your lives. Not replace love or relationships. It was meant to entertain. Lighten up and enjoy the show, dorks. While Lucas may have outgrown some of the storytelling whimsy of his youth, he has replaced it with a technical evolution that continues to set the standard for the creation of the cinematic worlds that you so dearly need. I find your lack of respect disturbing.
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If that were the real title, you fanboys would still bitch about it! And even if every scene of the movie featured the Most Luscious Miss Dunst in a full frontal nudity shot, you would all creep back into your mother's basements and post about how George Lucas buttfucked your childhood. Get a clue, and right now: IT'S NOT YOUR GODDAMN MOVIE FRANCHISE, ASSHOLE!!! It belongs to the mind of George Lucas--always has, always will. And here is the sad truth that all of you must face: He could name the movie Episode Two--Jar Jar's Disco Fantasy Adventure and ALL OF YOU will still line up and pay
$8-$10 dollars to see it. Why? So you can get online and bitch about how much the movie sucked. Was TPM the best sci-fi ever? Of course not. But it had some really cool stuff. The pod race was way cool. The final lightsaber battle between Darth Maul and Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan was more kick-ass than anything we saw before with Vader/Luke. The Star Wars Whine Brigade has gotten so used to slamming Lucas and all things surrounding Eps 1-3 that they have lost all perspective. Sure, Attack of the Clones doesn't set my spine a-chillin', but it won't stop me from seeing what will certainly be a cool two-hour diversion from my everyday life. And because I have a life, when the movie's over, I'll get back to it and not feel compelled to agonize about how much I despise George Lucas. Admit it, Lucas is your Vader--without him, your life would have no meaning; you'd have nothing to bitch about; you secretly love Lucas because he gives your life meaning and purpose! ADMIT IT!
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Aug 07, 2001 6:18:09 AM CDT
should be called "attack of the clonez", because switching that
by ryan mecum
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http://www.redmeltdown.net/clones/index.html
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This is going to keep me grinning for days, both the title and the tb.-------I don't think that I shall boycott this movie anymore. Now don't get me wrong, I still won't see the movie, but now it's no longer a case of my distaste for Lucas, rather one of 'why bother'. I just can't take him seriously any more. Attack of the Clones? Wow.
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Yeah I am indifferent to the movie. Star wars had its hey day 20 years ago--now its a joke.
As for cloning, Too many cloning jokes were made after the sheep--the title is now humorous as opposed to scary.
As for human cloning--I am glad theya re doing it because human arrogance needs to be whittled down a peg(or three) and this will help immensely.
When they started cloning they bragged about all the breakthroughs that would come from it. They didnt talk about the 200 plus deformed and maimed sheep that were born. They only talked about the side effects when some doctors(quite naturally--whoever is the first doctor and first human to be cloned will be world famous) proposed human cloning.
Well ye reap what ye sew.
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Let's try to get talkback more constructive, shall we? Okay, maybe Ep II is NOT the Clone Wars. Maybe that's for Ep III. Couldn't the attack be the first strike from Palpatine's clone army that takes the Jedi by surprise and sets the stage for their destruction in E3, not to mention Anakin's turning to the dark side? Just think about it, and the title starts to make sense. Also, please remember that all stormtroopers that appeared in Eps IV-VI were actually cloned on the 'trooper's training planet. I think Ep II will be exactly what the title describes. Think about our own fears of human cloning. Now think if some mad Russian genius cloned a huge army to invade Europe. What does he care if millions of his army dies? They're clones--he can just make more! Kind of scary, huh? Maybe, JUST MAYBE...Lucas actually knows what he's doing.
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from the severe beating that I have absorbed from co workers for letting it slip that I didn't think the title was that bad. I mean, was 'Planet of the Apes' a brilliant title? It was still a good movie. This will be okay. I hope.
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It's clear now that the only movies worth watching within the next few years announced their titles over 40 years ago....
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Ha ha ha ha ha! I love George Lucas! Phantom Menace was one of the most boring, aimless, and silly movies I've ever seen (although it was not nearly as insulting and stultifyingly stupid as the Jedi movie -- does anybody remember how the fuzzy bears destroyed the great big evil Empire?). I swore at the time of Phantom Menace that I would not throw my hard-earned dollars at the rest of Lucas' sure-to-be-crappy Star Wars series. But I wasn't sure I'd be able to stay away when the time came. Luckily for me, Lucas just added an embarassment factor and thereby made it really easy. I now leave both Star Wars and Star Trek (Enterprise? Ha ha ha ha!) to the freaks and geeks meeting in the basement of the science building for D&D. Ha ha ha!
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As some people have so vehemently pointed out, yes indeed, these are George Lucas' movies and he can do whatever the hell he wants with them. Great! Cool! So if Lucas is making the movie for Lucas, then why even bother releasing it? He and Rick McCallum can keep it for themselves to watch at the Skywalker Ranch screening room all they want, congratulating each other on how great they are! You go ahead and make YOUR movie George, it is by all means your right to do so. If you need to find me after watching YOUR movie, I'll be 3 theaters down, watching Peter Jackson's movie!
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If you want to see it, go see it. But make sure you do it at a big multiplex where you can buy a ticket for one movie and sneak into another. Buy a ticket for a movie that deserves it and sneak into "Star Wars: Plan 9 from the Killer Clones" or whatever. That way you can satisfy your silly curiosity without padding Lucas's coffers. Geez, Lucas is just beginning to remind me of General Kurtz, surrounded by Hollywood wilderness...shielded from reality....becoming less and less human by the minute. Oh, the horror.....the horror.
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Check out the Lucas Film Site or Filmjerk for why everyone thinks that SWII is going to have such a lame title.
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Aug 07, 2001 6:57:18 AM CDT
It was all a bad dream http://www.filmjerk.com/010807lucas.ht
by edmund exley
http://www.filmjerk.com/010807lucas.html
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So here we go: Georgie-boy uses a 'hi-tech' seventies sci-fi phrase(the clone wars), using a term which he (and virtually everyone else around at the time) knew nothing about in his first SW movie. It just kinda sounded cool, you know? The phenomenon grows way beyond anything he intended, so he now has to squeeze cloning into the prequels in any way he can. Hence all that midichlorian bollocks in TPM. Come Episode II and the jedis are getting massacred, so guess what? The jedi council (no doubt urged on by Christopher Lee and Iain McDiarmid) say "Hey guys - we can just clone more jedis. It's just midichlorians after all". Then we get the baddies subverting the cloned jedis and the collapse of the republic. Cue the traditional 'technology will be the end of us all' message and a realisation that the Force is actually a spiritual force after all. Hence not so much as a mention of midichlorians in the first three films. Oh - and you can bet that stormtroopers turn out to be cloned replacements for their hopelessley unreliable battle droids. Where did they get those things anyway? Russia? To steal a line from the late, great Bill Hicks "I can get harder shit than that on the streets of New York"...
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I want to add that both the people who are spewing hate about this title and those chasitizing those spewing hate are both being extremely silly.
relax people - it IS justa title - but its also just an OPINION - so if someone says they hate it hate it hate it, don;t bitch them out for having the "wrong" or "stupid" opinion. People who do that are worse than the flaming asshole trolls. -
Lucas should have called the movie: "The Wacky Tomfoolery and Hilarious Shenanigans of those Naughty Clones!". (note exclamation mark for emphasis) Maybe the name "Attack of The Clones" is a deliberate attempt to make the movie sound really childish so as to LOWER our expectations so that if we go in expecting the WORST, then ANYTHING (even a mediocre movie) will be better. POSSIBLE SPOILER?: Episode 2 will almost certainly end with the revelation that Anakin has been cloned and Queen Amidala will have a gun in her hand unsure of which Anakin to shoot. "I'm the real Anakin!" "No, I am!" they will argue. That climax would be so unoriginal that I'm sure Lucas will be unable to resist it. I can't wait for Episode 3: The Delightful Adventures of Jar-Jar and Friends. That'll be sweeet!!
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First off I just want to say for the record that I dont care much for the title either. But then again I dont know what I would call it if it were left up to me. But really people what do we expect....It fits. Look at the titles so far.
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Fall of the Jedi?
A New Hope
The Empire Stirkes Back
Return of the Jedi
Think about it probably the most liked chapter of the saga so far is The Empire Strikes Back. And its also the most lame title up until Attack Of the Clones. Have you ever been in some type of competition and said to a friend about yourself "It's time for Joe to strike back" ?.....NO....Why cause you would sound like a dip shit. We have seen Empire and are use to the title cause we all heard it when we were kids. Hmmm kids...sounds like a kid named these movies... hmmm they are kids movies...Hmmm we were kids when we saw the first trilogy. And none of this other shit that everyone is saying it should be is even worse. Attack of the Sith is stupid because they are not the ones attacking....thats why they got the clones. If FOX aired a show titled When Animals Attack and showed people beating the shit out of each other it wouldn't make any sence. Same thing if it were Attack of the Sith. Like I said I dont care for the title but it FITS. Most people didnt like the title The Phantom Menace either. But what else would you call it. Just remember we are all friggin NERDS for even being concerned over this. -
Listen, those of you who think that Film Jerk's story about it not being the real title are obviously arsecheeses. Did you not read to the bottom of the page, where it says, "This has been an Exclusive FilmJerk.com Lie. Gotcha!" or did you just not understand the concept of a lie? And why the hell is there so much bitching about this title? It's what the film's called, it's not gonna have any effect on the product itself. Except signalling that perhaps there will be an attack involving clones in some point of the movie, which is something fanboys have been creaming themselves over for ages. So really, you should be pleased. So, in the name of shitting crikey, shut up now.
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Aug 07, 2001 8:33:54 AM CDT
Hey, Vanisher, you should really credit MAD Magazine (or was it
by roguewriter
I've still got my copy after all these years too. Funny how it doesn't seem as far off-base now as it did then! Sigh...
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"ATTACK OF THE WHINEY-ASS FANBOYS"? 'Nuff said.
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mmmffffff hahahahahahahahahahahahaha... know we all know that the Star Wars series are sinking in shit. It's official.
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Aug 07, 2001 9:30:46 AM CDT
A few words on the new Star Wars title, and "AshFett" sounds lik
by halloween68
Personally guys, I hate to disagree with the majority of you, but I think this is an alright Star Wars title. Not crazy about it, but it does keep in the tradition of all the other Star Wars title. They're all pretty generic titles, and they're all meant to capture the theme of the movie. Come on, like you weren't all bitching about the Phantom Menace title when that one was released. Like so many have said already, it's a pulp fictiony, scifi serial title. Something that might appear in Aasamov, along side a Buck Rogers short, which is I guess what Lucas was aiming for from the beginning. So let it be, it'll grow on you, just like the others. And it's only the title. In the end, if the movie does its job, you'll find the title will fit just fine. Mark my words. I mean come on, "Star Wars?" Is the title what really makes you love the first one. It's very generic, yet unobtrusive. It gives you a huge scope to work with. Just like the current title of which we speak. And, ASHFETT, get a grip, dude. Contrary to the belief of some, you can actually be more than just a one movie person. I am. And as for your unsubstantiated attack on Tolkien's Fellowship of the Ring: Like someone else pointed out, LOTR is all one book, Tolkien was forced to split it into a three novels for sales reasons. And if you were literate enough to actually go read the book before you so blindly attack it, you'd already know this. Fellowship of the Ring is a title that simply summerizes the first part of the novel. It's a great title, because that's exactly what it's about; straightly to the point, a fellowship is placed in charge of the one ring of power. The following titles are incorporated in the same way. They are big titles to hint at the story itself. Just what you were aiming at here, I'm not really sure. But next time I suggest you actually know what you're talking about before trying to start an argument.
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Whoa easy! I don't know that person from a hill of beans it just seams he is using that title as an example of something that could sound potentenially clunky. Personally, I hope it's a Red Herring like Return/Revenge of the Jedi
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I have argued with everyone that this film might actually be cool. It WILL be MUCH better than the first, it'll be dark and moving and all that crap (which is good crap, by the way). But Attack of the Clones! Has some one seen one to many Ed Wood movies? How can any oen find this title remotly OK! SOunds like the original title? The other sounded good, and not just cos they were fond childhood memories but becuase RETURN OF THE JEDI etc sound fucking COOL! JEDI sounds cool! CLONE sounds cool, but not ATTACK OF THE CLONES. The Clone Wars (maybe having WARS in the title lets it down) but something that sounds COOL! FUCK YOU LUCAS, DON'T DO IT YOU.YOU.....YOU.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I HOPE THIS POST IS FAKE AND THE TITLE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!! -
You morons obviously were in a real rush to skim through the article if you didn't notice the text at the bottom of the page that says:
"This has been an Exclusive FilmJerk.com Lie. Gotcha!"
And they got you good, that's for damn sure.
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Much like you all, I am the smartest person here, so I will tell you all how it is and you will have no choice but to agree. All of you kids sitting there eating Cheetos and trying to come up with another pun can relax. this is exactly the kind os titles we've been getting for Star Wars. First of all, look at the track record of the original trilogy: A New Hope (not too flashy, but everyone refers to it as Star Wars anyway), describes a person: luke is the new hope. The Empire Strikes Back (a pretty goofy, pulp title if you think about it- but we don't, because we're used to it, and we love the film), it describes an action- the empire is strikning back. Last, Return of the Jedi, can be taken as 1) the return of luke, or 2) the return of the jedi order, either way its an action. Now we have the new trilogy: The Phantom Menace (which no one was doing backflips over when that came out, but we're used to it now- and besides, everybody refers to it as Episode 1 anyway, which is how Lucasfilm pushed the advertising), describes a person - Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Episode II follows the exact tradition of the original trilogy, an action title: Attack of the Clones, the clones are attacking just like the empire was striking back. YOU WILL GET USED TO IT. No one will care a year from now. Everybody had their little hearts set on THE Clone Wars as a title. Think about it Star WARS: The Clone WARS? Too many WARS. It don't work friends. So quit whining, you've got what you want: a star wars movie about the clone wars. Lucas could have set the clone wars between Episode I and II if he wanted to. Relax. As long as the film is good, it won't make a difference.
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Gee, Star Wars is George Lucas' envisioning of a 1930's radio or movie sci-fi serial. "Attack of the Clones" has just the right amount of retro/future cheese to it. For those who are saying "Doesn't Lucas care about what the fans want?", he probably does, but he sure as hell shouldn't let it effect his vision for Star Wars. Wake up people, this is his story, his dream. You are just lucky enough to get to share it with him. If he made into what every fanboy want it to be, then it would truely suck.
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Aug 07, 2001 11:43:37 AM CDT
With the debacle Lucus made of EP1, why do you people even care?
by iodine29
These movies are obviously no longer geared towards the fans who saw the origional Star Wars (EP4)in the theatre.....and it's just sad.
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I have no response to this name either. Actually, I don't like it, that's my response.
The first thing I thought of for some reason was 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes' (just like the other poster.)
I was okay with 'TPM'. But 'Attack of the Clones' is too literal. The rest were at least somewhat ambiguous. 'Strikes Back' and 'Return' can refer to different things, but an 'Attack' sounds like just that- an attack or battle.
Also, 'Clones' sounds like a cheesy sci-fi name, because you don't get the full context in the title. 'Clone Wars' would have been better. -
george lucas must die... he must be stopped...
this brutal desecration of a franchise so rich in substance and
potential should not be tolerated!!!
just one sharpened pencil in his throat.
thats all i ask.
i can see it so clearly... i can see him on the floor with the pencil
still protuding from his bloody wound, begging for forgiveness for
selling out and destroying star wars... then i can see myself stomping
that pencil the rest of the way in his throat while i tell him to "shut
the fuck up and bleed."
help me...................................
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Like Return of the Jedi didn't give away the ending?
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You are a sick and twisted individual, you know that?! God have mercy on your soul for that stupid, STUPID thing you just said. It's abundantly clear you're upset about the title, and so am I, but my GOD! Stabbing George Lucas in the throat with a pencil!? HOLY CHRIST, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!! If the police come to your door one night and arrest you, don't look so shocked!
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Aug 07, 2001 1:21:48 PM CDT
to: those people out there who have no idea what the f$#@ they a
by poo snot
Okay, I admit, when I first heard of the title for Episode 2, I was a little disappointed. But to all you stupid asses who think you know everything, Shut it! George Lucas is god, and I think he knows what he's doing, I mean hello! it's his freakin film, let him do what he wants. And by the way, you really shouldn't post a talkback if you have NEVER EVEN SEEN THE FREAKIN' MOVIES!! cause by the way some of you are talking, there's no way you could have. what kind of question is "what is a clone?" excuse me but if you have ever seen Star wars you would know what a freakin clone is!
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This is the worst title in the history of Hollywood. This is even a worse title than that piece of shit Phantom Mennace.
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Screw the retard title.
Look at the pictures of the Jedi babies! This movie will suck to no end people. -
Aw, it sounds like some sort of testicular problem.
Sorry George, you're wrong. It's The Shadow Falls, OK?. -
Aw, it sounds like some sort of testicular problem.
Sorry George, you're wrong. It's The Shadow Falls, OK?. -
Will someone PLEASE kill that bearded megalomaniac f***-wit before he completely destroys the love of Star Wars?
First the Ewoks..then Jar-Jar and the plotholes of Doom,then those AWFUL console games of the film (not to mention Star Wars:Demolition!)..and now this..'Attack of the Clones'.
Having read the (hopefully true) scriptment at The Force.net, I say that, apart from the crapness of the title,the clones aren't even the real threat in the movie!Not when you got Christopher"Suck yer blood" Lee and Boba Fett's dad kicking ass!!
George Lucas-other film makers use this place to get insight into their stuff.
I hope you do too,and stop pretending you think Star Wars is just for kids.You know it isn't.
You made your fortune from this generation loving your trilogy,now give something back in return.
Remind us why we loved the originals so much.
Be faithful to their memory and to thier fans.
OR I WILL SHAVE YOUR BEARD AND RIP UP YOUR CHECKED SHIRTS!!!!!!! -
What f'n decade is George Lucas living in? "ATTACK OF THE CLONES?!?!" You've got to be kidding! Damn you, George Lucas! Damn you to hell!
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just you remember that.If lucas previously changed rotj from Revenge to Return, surely a change to "ASSAULT OF THE CLONES" sounds far better than Attack(!)
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I got it! Lucas should call the new movie "Star Wars Episode 2: Captain Antilles Mandolin!" "Attack of the Clones" ranks right up there with "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" as one of the worst titles for a film EVER. Then there's the numerous porn title spin-offs we'll see like
"Bar Whores Episode 2: Attack of the Big Bones" and "Slut Wars Episode 2: Attack of the Big Brown Holes!" -
Everyone else is posting here, so I thought I'd post too.
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Aug 07, 2001 5:53:57 PM CDT
Star Wars Episode II: The Dark Shadows of the Future Echos of th
by scoobi
Atleast it is not "Attack of the Clones"? :D
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Retards abound methinks.
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Dennis Hopper is involved in this shit, he had the goods on Lucas and threatened his ass. Or Lucas has been consorting with Supershadow. Hell the way this is going I'm wondered if Method Man really was up for a role as Boba or Jango Fett.
First that bastard Tyger Williams steals my idea for the Indiana Jones parody now this shit. The joke was Chicago Jackson asshole. -
Aug 08, 2001 7:44:02 AM CDT
George Lucas, please sit down and have a REALLY good talk with J
by piramaniac
If Star Wars is meant to be an epic story, at least pick some decent titles which mean something! Not everbody will be (but should be) familiar with one of the best Sci-Fi series ever: Babylon 5.
Babylon 5, also, was an epic story, told over 5 seasons and the seasons respectivly had the following titles:
Signs and Portents, The Coming of Shadows, Point of No Return, No Surrender, No Retreat and Wheel of Fire. Now, if you know Babylon 5, you must acknowledge these are great titles which sum up the feeling and theme of each season.
I can relate to A New Hope, expecting some really depressing ending for EP3, TESB kicks ass, ROTJ also reflects the movie. When I first heard EP1 was going to be called The Phantom Menace I just laughed. What the hell does that mean!? Having seen it I can relate to the title, though still not taking it completely serious.
And now Attack of the Clones? This better be one hell of a kick-ass non-stop action movie in which Clones attack and level everything in their way, or it won't make sense at all. If it isn't, the Mummy Returns could have been called "The Mummy 2: Attack of the Dogfaced Warriors", which wouldn't have made any sense either, because that's a really small (though cool) part of the movie. Well, 'nough said, the powers that be are in charge here, and I still pray that when Lucas is done laughing (really, really hard), he'll announce the REAL title of this movie. -
You fanboys make me sick. Nothing
satisfies u and everything trite
upsets you. Before you get your
Ewok underoos in a twist, watch the fuckin movie first and if it sucks then u can bitch about it all morning,noon,and night. You
think the popular movie going audience really gives a fuck about titles? People don't go up to the marquee and go hmmmmmmm
American Pie that sounds like a
horrible title so I think I'll skip it. You bitches can complain all u want but you know your gonna be there opening day in your
Darth Maul T shirts and face paint waitin in line like the fanboy geeks that u are.Yes I anticipate this second installment to suck Jedi balls but I'm still gonna go see it and give it a chance. Until then, bitch about the bubble boy or rat race. -
O.k., I stop cloning around.
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This better be better thna Episode one.. Ep 1 made a big profit, but wasn't really all that worth it. All we can do is hope that this doesn't blow more than "Monica". Lucas needs to regain the audiences attention in a smart way, not a Dumb And Dumber way...
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Well, just think... the title could be "Star Wars Episode II: Jar-Jar Grows Pubic Hair"
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Aug 09, 2001 4:08:30 AM CDT
What strikes me: starwars.com is "pleased" to announce the title
by piramaniac
Quote:"starwars.com is pleased to announce that Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones is the full title for the next Star Wars film, scheduled for release in 2002."
Is it just me, or aren't people these days PROUD anymore to have an exclusive announcement, especially when it concers a big Star Wars-scoop? -
You don't have to see it, you
know it's going to suck. So don't
see it. If you want to punish
George Luca$, hit him where it
it hurts him the most: his
bank account. That's all he apparently cares about anyway. -
'nuf said
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Or in Orcus time, yesterday
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