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ROLLERBALL to be gutted to PG-13 and released Feb. 8th!

Hey folks, Harry here... MGM issued a press release that is being regurgitated by the trades to tell us that ROLLERBALL will be PG-13 and that the film will hit February 8th, 2002. The reason for the delay is to... ahem... construct an adequate and appropriate ad campaign for the film.

OK folks, now having seen an early version of this film, I can tell you quite frankly that MGM is going to cut out your Rebecca Romijn-Stamos nudity (including the full frontal scenes), they'll be cutting out nearly all the gore and heavy violence, and what you will be left with could very well be one of the worst mainstream films made. Cutting this to PG-13 is horrendous.

Also, I've heard the big brains at MGM don't like the 'Asian' feel for the film (one of the only cool things in the film) and I've heard they are cutting it down quite a bit. This would be like if an exec told James Cameron to cut down on the whole 'ocean' thing. Sigh.

Personally, McT will hopefully just move on now. This flick hit an iceberg long ago in the script stage. Oh, nice attempt at spin, luckily the mainstream press doesn't question the studios. Sigh...

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  • July 31, 2001, 11:58 p.m. CST

    i'm surprised it's not going straight to video at this point.

    by Nexus-6

    but maybe there will be a director's cut on DVD... hmn. we need more ultra-violent nudity- filled movies in theaters dammit! someone clone Verhoeven, quick!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Well Son of a nasty

    by CrapHole

    That sucks like a mother...Way to ruin a good movie..well maybe the frontal stuff will be an extra DVD feature..hmm

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Let's make it a 1970's Disco Roller Boogie Ball like on that old

    by Bari Umenema

    Remember when John and Ponch went to a celebrity roller disco party to catch some burglars who were robbing Malibu homes? Man that was one great episode of CHiPS! So let's get Erik Estrada and Larry Wilcox for some reshoots and we can really make this movie fun! "RollerBoogieBall" coming to a theater near you next Febuary!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:11 a.m. CST

    There was no other way........

    by NKG

    the film has to make some money....so that would be the only way to that by attracting a bigger audience .....I say....give the Speedball (game) licence to verhofen and see what happens.....

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Death to...well I'm not sure, but someone should die for this.

    by DerBeppo

    Cutting the nudity? Now I'm one of the few who didn't go see swordfish to see Halle's rack, however I thought it was a great marketing move. Now these studio film-pimps want to destroy the garunteed market of horney males who would definitly pay to see full frontal of the wife of the luckiest man in the world? Stupidity, thy name is...well...stupid I guess.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Box Office Death

    by WoodyTobiasJr

    Too bad. Though the thought of a remake of Rollerball is repulsive anyway, the dumbfucks that are Hollywood studioheads drop the ball again. "Let's make it a kids' movie!" shouts one soon to be out of work producer. I'm amazed, since the bottom line always rules, that these morons always fuck up a wet dream, even a lame one like "Chris Klein's Rollerball." A lame-ass remake like this could use nudity and gore to distract the audience, then they couldn't ask for their money back.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:23 a.m. CST

    From bad...

    by Slaanesh

    ..to worse.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Verhoeven - where are you when we need you?

    by AndyGinner

    You guys who say bring Verhoeven into the frame are dead on - who else can shoot ultra-violence and down n'dirty shagging the way he does? He should direct the Starsky and Hutch movie, and get Rebecca Romjin Stamos to play Vince Vaughan's girl. With balls to the wall shoot-outs and some crazy-ass monkey sex, it could seriously kick ass. Imagine Huggy Bear taking out the jumped-up crack whores in his neighbourhood with some "state-of-the-art bang bangs". Or Captain Badass getting mown down in a hail of mini-gun rounds (revenge angle for the film!) Bring on Verhoeven - we forgive you for not making Hollow Man sexy or gory enough. I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say Kill 'em All!!! Now I'd better get to work. Those primary school kids will make a hell of a mess if I leave them on their own too long...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 1:40 a.m. CST

    VERHOVEN OR HOWEVER THE HELL YOU SPELL IT KICKS ASS

    by Green4life

    I love the man and his work. Robocop Criterion? Look at all that blood! We need a hard R rated movie badly! Remember the 80's? It was the one good thing about that decade. Remember the last good action film? I can't! There are plenty of adults out there ( and kids who look old enough ) who want to see both good, inteligent dramas, and lots of tits and blood! Not in the same film of course. Fuck the MPAA!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 1:59 a.m. CST

    *drags hand down face*

    by dastickboy

    I've followed this film from the first rumours of a remake - and it should have died there. The only reason why a remake should have even been considered was to make it more shocking and visceral. Like Series 7 tried to, this would have been an excellent commentary on the marriage between sport and business, and the desensitizing of people in the multimedia era. Instead it's now Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors. Yay.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Hey Green4life

    by Neosamurai85

    I want to see both in the same film! From Dusk Till Dawn among others. It has worked before and it can again! But nothing can save Rollerball. I think I'm gonna go play Quake 3 now. You guys got me in the mood. Peace

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:23 a.m. CST

    I guess, being a woman and all, that I just have to say..

    by Huneybee

    "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" Hahahahhaha! I actually punched my fist in the air and started laughing and yelling "HA" at the same time (no small talent that) when I read this bit of information! Guess what, you evil perverted fanboys...the animated Sat/Sun cartoon version will be coming to you sooooooonnnnnn! I f**king love it! For those of you who have no idea what I'm gloating about...research, bay-Bee, research (on AICN, of course). This is the only way money could be made off of this travesty and if you don't believe me this time...just wait until you see the action figures in ToysRUs!____STILL a business minded Bee! HA!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:23 a.m. CST

    What's the criteria to become a studio Exec.?

    by lazyboy_ie

    Where do they get them from, do they even like movies? I know Money is the driving force behind Hollywood, but haven't they realised that good movies do make money too, not just good marketing campaigns. Maybe a bit of recearch into the "product" might be a good idea. The computer game to movie conversion, for instance, Tomb Raider, the only reason people play that is because of Laura's T&A ! Right?, story?,adventure? don't need that, T&A will do!........... OK, maybe a bad example there!. Resident Evil, it's a computer game, Kids movie. Job done. They couldn't possible have the king of zombie movies (George a. Remero) make it , the movie would have to at least over 15's, gore filled, and scarey! Like the Game it's based on perhaps? Rollerball, if done properly could have been a decent film, even a cult classic! First they show themselves for the idiots they are by picking that script, then try to redeem themselves buy picking a decent director, who sadly went GA,GA and cocked it up. Why, oh why? Now they cut the brutality and nudity out of a film who's only redeeming quality's are brutality and nudity. Hopefully.....probably this will crash and burn, the sooner MGM put themselves out of business the better.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:25 a.m. CST

    And guess what, y'all

    by Huneybee

    I punched my fist in the air AGAIN as I posted! And yelled again too...what WILL the neighbors think?

  • ... if Harry is right about this movie, this is probably one of the few times any one of us really COULD do a better job than the people currently involved. Today is truly a special day...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:36 a.m. CST

    V's comments (should be above)

    by AndyGinner

    Amen to that.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 4:46 a.m. CST

    The only chance I'll see this movie --

    by B A Fett

    is if they release an unrated version on DVD.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Didn't this happen to The 13th Warrior, too?

    by agentcooper

    Maybe John McTiernan should give up on the action genre and just make independent films from now on. It seems like the studios financing the ones he makes don't appreciate his work. Funny, since he has had at least three major hits that I can think of right off the top of my head.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Uh, Norm...

    by Huneybee

    The movie was not "made right" to begin with. The people involved are just trying to salvage what they can. If you do not rollerblade or skateboard or have the new (really cool or so I'm told) shoe skates...this movie will not be about what you want to see anymore. It will be about marketing it to the masses.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:40 a.m. CST

    no Rebecca naked!?!?!?!? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by sundown

    huff huff NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Damn damn damn them all to hell!!! nooooooooo!!!!! NO... no. Oh well it BETTER be on the DVD. I wanted to see her naked more than the stupid crappy film. I hope those execs all die. damn bastards. Its too violent its too much sex. Yeah why don't you just make it a G rated cartoon about death and mayhem in sports you idiots. Execs think they are smarter than writers its insane. I hope they all DIE!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Those damn teenagers

    by ManGyna

    I recently read the trend for luring teens into the audience is coming to an end because sales to that age group have declined immensely in the past year. So wouldn't it be smarter to market the film to adults? Especially adult males to whom the plot would already appeal too? I mean if they actually marketed the idea of Rebecca Romijn-Stamos nude in the film, there's another 10 million in ticket sales. Then there's the cool action and gore factors that draw men in. The whole time this film was being made it seemed like another "Running Man". And what group made that movie at all successful?

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Who cares, anyway?

    by ewem

    This thing should be direct to video...at best...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 6:20 a.m. CST

    BOD!!!

    by Special_Ed

    Box Office Death! I was actually excited about a remake. Give the remake a little ultra-violence and a touch of nudity and update the whole look, it could've been a contender! Now, it's a gutless made-for-tv hack job. McT must be rolling in his grave, if the shock of hearing the proposed cuts haven't killed him yet! Can't they give this talented director a decent script and leave him the hell alone. Oh by the way, they've just made cloning of humans illegal. But who's to say we can't cross the border to Mexico and get an illegal copy of Verhoeven. hehe.

  • the man who stated that the female tb'ers here were a cross between Ethel Merman and <what I remember as> a horror movie monster. Well, I ain't no E-xec and I ain't named Ethel and I ain't bearin' no resemblence to no monster in no movie...so I wonder, what with being so wrong before, God bless your little heart, what makes you so right now? And with all that...A Bee with no bag on her head!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST

    A brief letter to Hollywood executives

    by BigW

    Dear Hollywood executives, As a fanatical member of the movie going public, at this time I would like to ask you, what do you think is less profitable: 1) Making a movie that is rated R, thus out of your main demographic 2) Stripping everything potentially offensive out of said movie, to make it PG, thus producing a movie so bland that nobody in any of your demographics would WANT to see it. I realize that perhaps Rollerball, being from all accounts a horrible movie to start with, is not the best example. However, it is part of a major trend which is making me reconsider my old policy of always waiting for Hollywood Blockbusters to come out on video.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 6:45 a.m. CST

    For 1 Million Dollars, A Custom Made Purdey Shotgun & A New Chev

    by Buzz Maverik

    The good news is that the nudity stays. In fact, I'm going to find nude clips from other movies and insert them into this one. If MGM gives me money for reshoots, I'll have everyone skating in the nude. Also, I'll rewrite all the dialogue and get those actors who dub the English voice tracks for Kung Fu movies to do this. "Take that!" "And that!" "Oww! My head!" and "You're nude. And me without a digital camera!"

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:27 a.m. CST

    still no credibility

    by AssEyes

    I heard you hated this project because one of your pals got fired off the screenplay. You have lost all credibility, Harry. Face it.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:42 a.m. CST

    For God's sake, how old are you people? If you're on the intern

    by kdraines

    Is this really the main criteria for seeing a movie anymore? No wonder movies like The Rock, Armageddon and the Brosnan Bond movies do so well, while truly good movies like The Mask of Zorro and Mission: Impossible (part 1) perform tepidly. Oh no! There's a story in between the action? Stay away from that I may have to use my brain. Action movies have become the mainstream equivalent of porno movies. People go to sit through the weak "plot" and unbearable dialogue just to get to the action scenes, which have become so routine they're predictable. I saw a preview for the latest Schwarzenegger film and you'll never guess what it includes: our hero running away from a huge fireball with the flames hot on his heels. How original! Wow! Who would've thought of such a spectacle? All of you talk-backers here bitching and whining about the state of action movies today and simultaneously bemoaning the loss of Romjin-Stamos' tits should take a long, hard look in the mirror. You're the problem.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:45 a.m. CST

    So, in otherwords....

    by Jaka

    ...this movie is going to suck greasy farts out of disease infested donkey butts! Unfortunetly, most people will have never heard any of this stuff. They will believe that this is how the movie was made to begin with and it will make GOBS of money. Whatever. The movie industry is making some of the worst big budget movies EVER these last 2 years. Most studios don't care because the mindless masses are flocking to see them anyway. Let's hope there is a turn around soon.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Release Dates

    by MovieStud

    The only movies that were awesome that had it's released day pushed back were The Truman Show, American Pie, and Election. Off the top of my head all the other movies that got moved sucked like Sphere, Scream 3, The Relic, Supernova, Down to Earth. Original Sin which comes out Firday could be one. I'm sure anyone could contribute five movies to the list.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:58 a.m. CST

    One more thing. For all the lemmings out there.

    by kdraines

    Movies don't make money today because of their quality. They make money because of their marketing. Why do you think Pearl Harbor made so much money opening weekend? Because it was good? I think we all know that's not true. It made money because THE STUDIO TOLD YOU TO GO SEE IT AND YOU DID. Until the simple-minded out there decide to stop eating the garbage, the garbage will always get made.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8 a.m. CST

    but HUNEYBEE I take it all back...

    by sundown

    anyways did you read the context I wrote that ethyl merman comment in...didn't you make the stalking comment? ..just the same I'm sorry if I offended you...wouldn't want to end up with Pretty Helpful and Angry Talkbackers Bringing Intelligent Talkback Communication to Harry Society(PHAT BITCHS) after me the way GLAAD is after Kevin Smith...its a joke- get it- joke supposed to be funny. I hope Rollerball goes straight to video but come feb it won't matter cause I'll still be watching Lord of the Rings... But I give you props huney for remembering me that long, I must have made an impression. By the way that acronym was a pain in the ass to come up with.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Frankly, I'm not suprised

    by Stephen Dedalus

    February, as I'm sure you all know, is a horrible month for films, so this will pop up for two or three weekends at the nearby multiplex and then bow out to video by June, maybe late May. Probably for the better: Chris Kattan is a horrible actor, and I haven't seen a good remake since... sheesh, I really can't remember. And don't worry about 'Becca- if she had no qualms about doing nudity here, then she'll probably duff her clothes in another film soon.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:14 a.m. CST

    To Hunnybee

    by Manos

    Fess Up! You're really Sister Satan, aren't ya? Huh? Huh?

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Doesn't surprise me on little bit...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... this project has had a charnel stench emanating from it from the get-go. Mc-T sure as hell aint' no Norman Jewison.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Erik Estrada will save this movie!

    by Bari Umenema

    Erik Estrada says lending his voice to The Cartoon Network's ``Sealab 2001'' was an easy decision. ``They wanted a character who's rugged, funny, a ladies' man,'' Estrada tells TV Guide in the July 28 issue. And, he added, ``I don't have to shower, shave. I can just show up and do it.'' The former ``CHiPs'' star also says he has been having fun playing himself on shows such as ``V.I.P.,'' ``Popular'' and ``The Nanny.'' He said he may even hold the record for playing himself the most. ``I think me and Bill Shatner are neck-and-neck,'' Estrada said. ``I had fun with all that stuff. It's not real; it's not the cure for cancer - it's camp.'' The show CHiPS raised public awareness of roller-skating jewelry thieves in the September 22, 1979 episode, "Roller Disco."

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 9:07 a.m. CST

    "Mc-T sure as hell aint' no Norman Jewison."

    by mrbeaks

    'Tis true, but DIE HARD outshines anything in Jewison's filmography, save for maybe MOONSTRUCK, which was a case of a solid director working from a brilliant script (thank you, John Patrick Shanley). In fact, Jewison's best work has either come from collaborations with great screenwriters (Lardner & Southern on THE CINCINATTI KID, Silliphant on IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT,) or have been play/musical adaptations (and those musicals -- FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR -- are pretty mediocre). Don't get me wrong, Jewison's a good director, but he isn't exactly a living legend, either, and if we're talking in purely cinematic terms, McTiernan, when he doesn't phone it in, is far more inventive visually. For the record, I prefer McT's version of THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR -- godawful studio ending and all -- to Jewison's (and, being a *huge* McQueen fan, that's saying something), if only for the heist sequences, which are staged with an elan Jewison has never demonstrated.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I saw the original "Rollerball"....

    by Lady_Hyde

    And man, I felt like they took large doses of vallium when they made it. They're not doing us a favor by doing this. And for God's sake, I'm probably going to wait until this arrives on DVD to see a good version! Dammit, I want a Chris Klein Figure! (Sorry, it slipped out.)

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 9:59 a.m. CST

    well that's it.....

    by 1stGodling

    the only way to stop these editing monstrosities is to stop seeing the movies. Bigtime studios were terrified of a writers strikeand horrified by an Actors strike. aybe it's time we cut them at the throut by having a VEIWER's STRIKE. STOP GOING TO THESE CRAP MOVIES, RENTING CRAP VIDEOS,AND CHEAP ASS, ZERO EXTRAS DVDS. MAYBE WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT THEY REALLY CAN'T MARKET CRAPOLA TO THE VEIWING PUBLIC, THEY WILL MAKE SOMETHING GOOD TO ENTERTAIN US. I remeber the whole piont of going to a movie was to be entertained. It really doesn't seem to be happening too often anymore. Studios used to market their asses off just get someone in a theatre. Now they just put BIG WORDS on a screen and some explosions, or maybe call a plotless drama "MOVING", and it becomes an INSTANT BLOCKBUSTER. The state of entertainment has gone terribly wrong. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TURN OFF THE TVS AND RADIOS, AND STOP DRIVING TO THE THEATRES!! MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL JUST PICK UP A BOOK. preferably not one that they can make into some hackneyed, plotless, shredded made for tv version. Something they can't touch. You know, something that makes you think, somethig with a plot, and a point to make. Cuz I Haven't seen anything on the big screen, in well over 5 years, That REALLY MADE ME THINK. The previous statement was merely a suggestion, expressing an individual opinion oppenly to the masses. Unfortunatley, it was partially edited for content,and cut to fit in the time alloted. Veiwer discretion IS NOT ADVISED!!!!!! G.N.L.S.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:03 a.m. CST

    wow, I made a rant.

    by 1stGodling

    studios execs should be cleaned out, and replaced with ACTUAL MOVIE FANS.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Probable R-Rated Rollerball DVD

    by CoryFilm

    Yes, like Supernova, another long delayed, big budgeted, veteran action director helmed, MGM would-be futuristic action blockbuster (turned theatrical flop), the watered down Rollerball will likely receive the R-Rated version treatment on DVD. The question is will McTiernan become alienated by all the studio tinkering and be shut out of/refuse to participate in the eventual DVD production?

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Is it me or does anyone else see that Chris Klein has the eyes o

    by clubberlang

    I aint trying to be mean but he looks like a Baboon.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Remakes!

    by Norm3

    This another movie like Apes, that shouldn't be remake! But I would like to see MGM remake Logans Run, with author William F. Nolan involved, as was reported a few years ago!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:38 a.m. CST

    So, you mean just "Roller"....no "balls"

    by RobinP

    My title line says it all, really...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Was anyone gonna see this movie anyway??

    by wadew

    I mean come on.... ROLLERBALL??? R rating or no R rating I wouldn't touch this one with an 80 foot pole.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 10:52 a.m. CST

    "Ball" Emasculated

    by mrbeaks

    That would be the Variety headline.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Shit

    by briansanderson

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Revised "Target Market"

    by JAGUART

    This movie was re-cut to appeal to the same market as console game players and WWF lovers. They knew that with its American Gladiator styling and two dimensional plot (as described by Harry) no one over 18 would want to see (or tolerate) this crap. I have a friend who is 17 and got sucked into seeing Final Fantasy, which he paid to see the innovations in CGI technology. He felt that the plot and dialogue was terrible, but it looked damned cool. Same thing with "Rollerball". No one but the diehard Phantom Menace fan would say; "I liked it, its a popcorn movie". There's nothing wrong with that if you wanna make a Teen Deathmatch on Rollerblades kinda film. They should change the main character's name to "Bugsy Malone" and have the Rollerballers shoot Twinkies at each other with Splurge guns.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 11:42 a.m. CST

    why not wait...

    by cactusboy

    until you guys know what's actually in the movie to complain.. who ever thought this would be a great movie to begin with?? if you guys are that crazy over that rebecca scene its time for you to get a girlfriend..

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 11:45 a.m. CST

    PRAYER OF THE ROLLERBOYS PART 2

    by Fleagle

    CMON, YOU KNOW IM RIGHT!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 11:55 a.m. CST

    re: Manos and sundown

    by Huneybee

    Manos, You are nothing but a quickie in life...NO, I'm not Sister Satan or whoever. Wham-Bam-Thank-You-Sir move on with life and get over your disappointment. sundown, A stalker comment? From me? I do not recall have never made anything even close to that... I did read the whole comment but in all honesty <smiles> can't remember anything but the Ethel remark. =) I was so annoyed by that entire article and tb that I never replied at all as anything I said would have been too rude for the general public. I'm honored that you think I am "Intelligent" and, just to let you know, I also have a good personality and a great sense of humor... Wow, I haven't had this much fun watching someone dance simply by pulling strings since I saw Pinocchio but I absolutely MUST get on the stairmaster now...____A Sugar Free Bee ;)

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 12:49 p.m. CST

    huneybee Just like in Ed Wood

    by sundown

    pull the string! pull the string!...eh never mind. Anyway the source of my comment on that talkback was to rag on a girl who said she was stalked and was busting chops and came off like a real princess psycho...but my memory other than that is shady since my brain is clogged with pez and hops. I hate when people pull stuff out of context!!! Hmm but now that you say you have a good personality I have to wonder about the Ethyl part...heh heh...cmon I can push buttons too...

  • Good-bye Mr. McTiernan. It was a pleasure of knowing that you did at one point have the talent to direct Predator, Die Hard and The Hunt for Red October. Those were beautiful brainy action flicks, the likes of which changed the face of the action genre. Wow. And now a PG-13 Rollerball? What the f#%k? Didn't you learn from the most recent Tim Burton debaucle called The Planet of the Apes? It looks like he decided to listen to the studio suits and let them call the shots....did you see the outcome? A movie devoid of ANY of his previous brilliance. Or signatures - or creativity. In otherwords, a snore fest. Is THIS what you want to happen to you? Save your career while you can McTiernan!

  • Think about it. We have already seen many movies that SHOULD have been goin for that R rating. And if they had, think of the possibilities. Look at Planet of the Apes. For god's sake it was released with a PG-13 rating. But imagine if the studios had balls and went ahead for that R rating. Wow. Thank god Gladiator last year was released with a R. At least Ridley Scott has balls and knows how to use 'em. Anyone else agree with me? I believe the PG-13 rating has sucked any creativity or imagination out of H-town.......

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 1:12 p.m. CST

    re: Pushing Buttons

    by Huneybee

    Hey, sundown! Yoohoo... over here... Yes, that's right, I'm calling you... Come a little closer now sweetie... Closer... Closer... SMACK! I have one word for you in regards to the whole personality/sense of humor thing and you thinking you can push my buttons, "DUH!" You nitwit! I was giving you both of those as a joke, at my expense. I'm just gonna change my name to phish food and move to Potatoville, Idaho where the people are smarter and two starches are served with every meal...The only button you managed to push is the Disgusted By Idiots Button.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 1:35 p.m. CST

    fuck fuck fuck

    by SykkBoy

    As a huge fan of the original, I was looking forward to this remake (well when it was annoucned ;)) as I figured they could update the ultraviolence. That's what made the first one so god..fun mindless, popcorn violence...that's what I expect of the remake. On a side note, I'm glad to see a mention of "Prayer of the Rollerboys" in an AICN talkback...and to think I was losing hope in you movie geeks. Oh sure, I wouldn't mind a scene of Rebecca Romjin Stamos nekkid, but I wanted fucking violence. This is what fucked the "Judge Dredd" movie (well that and I always thought Da Judge was british? ;)) If a remake/covnersion is based upon a seriosuly violent comic book/video game/original, why water down what was arguably the selling point of the work in the first place? Fucking "Spawn" suffered the same fate...when I heard "Spawn" was being released with a PG13, my wallet went right back in my fucking wallet. "Judge Dredd", same thing...what next Kermit the fucking Frog in the "Doom" movie???? Maybe Rob Zombie and John McT should go together and form their own studio and call it "Fuck You, You Stupid Cunt Pictures, Inc."? (side note: I worked around a lot of Canadians for awhile and the teerm "cunt" isn't as offensive there as in the States ;)) Ah fuck it, I'm off to stick a couple Fred Olen Ray movies in the DVD player and enjoy some fun, mindless violence...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Sundown, Hunnybee, Since I Like You Both, Here's The Truth Of Th

    by Buzz Maverik

    It was when Harry and Kevin Smith were put out at us talkbackers making fun of them and someone suggested we use our real names --not a problem for me except I never use my middle name, Buzz Hugo Maverik just sounds silly-- and some female talkbacker wrote in saying that she'd been stalked so she wasn't going to use her real name and Sundown wrote the nigh-legendary Ethel Mermann analogy. I remember all of this clearly because I was going to write a gag where I was going to act like I was in favor of real names and use the talkbacker's words to say that I had stalking experience, but I just said "Screw it" and went on a mescal run instead.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Thank christ for that!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    Hopefully this will go DTV and not sully any multiplex screen's anywhere in the world!!! This malformed shite of a remake should have been aborted at the script stage!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I'm not a big Paul Verhoven fan. . .

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    . . .but really, this film would have been perfect for him and his sensibility. With him at the helm, it could have been the perfect, virtrolic take on the whole "Reality T.V./Corporations-running-the-planet" idea. Instead it looks like it's just gonna be watered-down crap with a bad script (the bane of all films). To hell with it, I'll just buy the DVD of the origional.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:24 p.m. CST

    let me get this straight...

    by fukthefrontrow

    ED 209. Your rippin on Rollerball and the studio system and all the evil crap they procure but you will shell out your money to see the steaming pile of dog shit that is Original Sin. Come on, they post-poned the release of the film cuz they knew it was utter crap and they didn't tweak with it at all just watited until the end of summer after all of the "better" films had already come out in hopes that it might actually sell a few tickets. Yeah that's genius. I love the goddess known as Angelina and have seen almost everything she's done but even I'm not gonna see that worthless waste of time.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 3:55 p.m. CST

    ROLLERBALL Will Skate Into Oscar History!

    by Studio Lackey

    He thrilled audiences worldwide with THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER and LAST ACTION HERO. Now, John McTiernan and MGM invite you to the next level of action! In 2002, you'll have ringside seats to the world's newest contact sport -- ROLLERBALL! Chris Klein...Jean Reno...L.L. Cool J....and Rebecca Romijn-Stamos...in a game that gives new meaning to the term Extreme Sports. ROLLERBALL -- it's not whether you win or lose: it's how badly you crush your opponents!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 4:19 p.m. CST

    ONE SIMPLE QUESTION

    by Mac Styran

    Is anyone of you out there really of the opinion that teenagers SUFFER from the look at a naked woman????? If that isn't a perfectly normal thing in the world, what is? What is it with this weird morality? Hell, the kids have SEX with each other when aged 12 or less nowadays! I really don't get that "PROTECTION" bullshit! This whole idea is nothing but a huge pile of stinking crap! I mean, 10 year old kids are allowed to see JAWS, where Robert Shaw is bitten in half but HELL, NO TITS PLEASE. They come right out of Satans ass! BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck, I got really annoyed here. Go to the Netherlands - lowest crime rate but you can see EVERY UNCUT movie when you are 16! Even porn films! Think about that you big assholes up there. America sucks. (this time) Back to the topic... I personally wouldn't have spent any money on that film anyway, but it surprises me that Hollywood manages each time to make an even worse movie. One after another. 2001 ... Shrek, Memento ... was there anything else? I can remember nothing! Must have slipped my mind. Thank god!

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 4:40 p.m. CST

    What did you expect?

    by thebatman

    Seriously, though, how can you expect Hollywood to endorse a movie about how coporations are taking over the world? :smacks yer forehead: They ARE. Take a look around you. And some of those corporations include the very film production companies in question. Funny how that theme got dropped WAY early in the process...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Bummer

    by ProFromDover

    I'm sure Conan O'Brian will be crushed.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:25 p.m. CST

    MPAA + Studio Executives = Cultural death

    by Alec Cawthorne

    The influence of the MPAA is, once again, acting in complete disregard of its purpose. The MPAA ratings should not act as a meter of violence and sex (or ideas, if there are any 'R-rated ideas' anymore). The MPAA's purpose has always been to provide a service to those who buy the tickets (not those who make the films). Knowing a film is R-rated, rather than PG-rated, is a beneficial piece of information for anyone wanting a kind of crib note to what kind of 'stuff' the film contains (though not until recently, with the addition of actual specific content phrases, has it been much of a help). Obviously, this is especially informative for parents. However, parents or guardians should then be responsible for making the decision on whether to allow their child to see the film. The R-rating is only restrictive to minors who are unaccompanied. ---So, how much more money could a PG-13 Rollerball make, compared to a R-rated version? After the negative critical reception it will no doubt continue to receive, I would bet, not much.--- If one were to assume for a second that studio executives were driven by logic (assuming it is this same 'logic' that rakes in the money), I fail to see the logic in cutting out the violence or sex in a film with this kind of demographic. Yes, a PG-13 version may make more money initially, with more of the teenage audience hooked in to seeing the film on their own, in the first week or so. But if this film was R-rated, how many out of this horribly, overly-influential demographic of teenagers (damn their cultural impact!) would still either get a 'guardian' to pay their money for them, be able to buy a ticket anyway, or just sneak in? ---I could really care less than zero about the Rollerball remake (especially since Norman Jewison, director of the original, publicly denounced its supposed complete lack of social commentary - which was the purpose of the original in the first place), but the studios need to WAKE UP, and realize that the MPAA does not nearly control as much of their market share as they think... Jack Valenti will die, sooner or later, and then, hopefully, all hell will break loose in Washington (for about two seconds). ---I'm still pissed off about the complete conundrum that has become the NC-17 rating. It seems that the only available strategy for filmmakers is to aim for the unacceptable NC-17, in order to get insured in an R. What kind of fucking culture do we live in, when the guidance suggestion on a film has encroached upon its form? ---On a final note to this extended rambling: with the success of the nearly void-of-content Planet of the Apes remake, are the studios starting a new trend for the new millenium? Let's remake all the not-so-old movies that made money, but take out all the content that made them culturally important! Making a movie in color instead of black-and-white, with 'better' costumes and sets, etc., does not a reason to remake a film provide...

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I didn't go on a mescal run, Buzz, I went...

    by Huneybee

    to the beach instead. Aahh, nothing like it for relaxation therapy...throw the oldest rugrat into the water for shark bait, let the little one eat sand and broken glass, and stretch out with a good book. Hey, sundown, "I love you, man!" Now, if I could just find a thong in a size 44 everything would be right in the world ;)____A Sunburned Bee

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 7:18 p.m. CST

    i'll wait and rent the dvd

    by aliengrey

    heh, morons.. no one's gonna see this flick now

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Wow, the maturity here is through the roof

    by sdwoodchuck

    Please note the sarcasm involved in that title. Seriously, I've never seen so many guys drooling since my friends dragged me to see Charlie's Angels. It's making me almost embarassed by my own gender. I may be in the minority here, but I don't think that nudity and/or explicit violence are really necessary factors in a movie, and in this instance, it seems that many of you were planning to see the movie ONLY for those reasons. If you're that desperate to see nude women, there are several magazines, and hundreds of videos available for just those purposes. I'm not saying that there should be absolutely no nudity in theater either though. I don't see nudity as being a big deal honestly. If it has some relavance, or even if it's just there for the hell of it, that's fine, just so long as the movie itself has more to it than that. The same applies to the excessive violence. The problem arises when these are the ONLY things carrying a movie, which seems to be the case here.

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:36 p.m. CST

    ROLLERBALL will have you pinned to your theater seat like a heat

    by Gary Condidit

    THIS IS ONE ROLLER RIDE YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS! IT'S THE KICK-HARD SKATE-FAST BODY-SLAM MOVIE OF THE WINTER! - Studio Publicity Lackey

  • Aug. 1, 2001, 8:45 p.m. CST

    What moron greenlighted this dung heap to begin with?

    by Redbeard_NV

    Probably the same bunch that keeps giving money to Avika Goldman, Joel Schumacher and Gus Van Zant.

  • I'm even going to copy that text and add it to my stickies so i can repeat it.Oh don't worry full credit will be given.

  • thanks justice and all TB comments are TM and C AINITCOOL NEWS and will be in Harry next book so you'll have to credit him. Big ups for Buzz for actually remembering what the hell I was talking about...I don't even know what the hell I'm talking about half the time so thats a REAL feat...or is that feet? Anyway I must have really pushed a button with that personality comment to warrant the e-slap. Hey its not the first time. Actually theres nothing I can't stand more than hanging with a chick whos eyes glaze over when I try to explain why a film before 1980 is relevant or god forbid mention a book. So don't worry I have plenty a lovin for gals with size 40 bikinis more cushin for the pushin. Now before you 'whig out' again and set your phasers to flame chill out and pop some zoloft (Tyson takes it to keep from killin y'all as he says) and realize I am joking. I'm sure you have the body of some really hot greek statuet. Oh and Rollerball will suck.

  • Aug. 2, 2001, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: RollerBall - NO! Rol

    by (<>..<>)ABDUCTED

    FULL FRONTAL NUDITY FOR THE MASSES !!!

  • I sent an apology to you earlier for being a stressed out Bee/bitch via email. Just in case you didn't receive the mail (cause I couldn't even open this tb at the time--unknown server and all that), I wanted to do so publicly. I do have this terrible habit of remembering things I have read (nothing MORE annoying than buying a paperback and beginning to read only to realize 5 pages in that you read it 10 years ago and it has been re-issued under another cover/blurb!). As I said in my email (not e-slap--good phrase BTW), it is both a curse and a blessing. So, the particulars are in the email and my apologies are on both email and tb (not gonna hide when I know I am wrong)...see ya around, sundown____A Bee that has still NOT see Ed Wood and plans to do so soon.

  • Aug. 3, 2001, 5:31 a.m. CST

    well I just wanted to publicly say...

    by sundown

    I probably had it comin anyways... But see Ed Wood now its much better than the monkey film.

  • Aug. 3, 2001, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Verhoeven

    by Simi Valley Tom

    Verhoeven sucks.

  • Aug. 3, 2001, 7:18 p.m. CST

    An example of how stupid movie execs are

    by KingKrypton

    Ever read Ben Stein's book HOLLYWOOD DAYS, HOLLYWOOD NIGHTS? It's a journal of his bad experiences as a screenwriter-producer circa FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF, and it has a lot of numbing examples of how stupid studio execs are. For example, an acquaintance of Stein's pitched CRIME AND PUNISHMENT to Paramount and MGM by boiling it down as a murder mystery about "a guy and his father being in love with a really hot bitch," only to have the MGM exec ask if Dostoevsky was available to write the script. Stein himself submitted a script about a Congressman who has an affair with a college girl, only to have a studio exece respond, "That's sick! Who'd want to make a sick film like that?" Stein pointed out that such a plot setup worked for Kubrick, and the exec responded with "There wasn't any of that older man/younger woman stuff in 2001!" Then Stein brought up LOLITA, and the exec had no idea what it was or what Stein was talking about. And when Stein tried to tell him about Humbert Humbert and Lolita, the exec brushed him off with "Who are they, people from some book or something?" That's how dumb film execs are. They have no concept of the world outside La-La-Land. They're so drunk on money and being high on the mountain that their brains go to mush. The only qualification for being a studio exec? Be as stupid as humanly possible.

  • Aug. 5, 2001, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Frontal Nudity

    by rommel

    I'm fine with cutting Rebecca's nude scenes, as long as they're replaced with similar shots of Andrew Bryniarski. Women enjoy violence, too. And nudity.

  • Jan. 17, 2002, 9:40 p.m. CST

    What the hell

    by psycoxbx

    Why are they going to even bother releasing this movie now. I saw the first one, and it wasn&#39;t the greatest movie in the world, but it was still pretty damn cool. Violent as hell considering it was made in the what, late 70&#39;s, 80&#39;s sometime, right? So why the hell are they going to chop this movie all up on throw out a piece of garbage all early and expect people to go see it. I&#39;m thoroughly dissappointed.