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John Woo to make giant budget independent all cgi hard edged TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES movie!!! For real!!!
Sweet fucking crippled skunk on a road! What the hell sort of morning is it where you wake up to read in VARIETY that John Woo is directing a CGI hard edged dark TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES movie. Now before you cynics go apeshit angry on this.... Go read those original 12 issues or so.... The EASTMAN / LAIRD work. The stuff that truly kicked the ass of the world. I loved those books when I was in High School. I taught my sister to read, and would read their stories to her before putting her to sleep. My Sis was 9 years younger than me and was fascinated by the comics.... a full two years before they went MAINSTREAM... I'm talking the oversized black and white issues... not the ARCHIE years...
This announcement in VARIETY today couldn't come at a weirder time... Tonight, in Austin, Texas... at the magical ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE.... TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES is opening a weekend run. And that first Turtles film was damn fun. DAMN FUN. Watching the trailer last night before KILL OR BE KILLED just made me smile like Vincent D'onofrio in a Kubrick flick.... I love the turtles. I remember when Kevin Eastman walked up to my table at the Dallas Fantasy Fair and we went into negotiations on a John Severen CRACKED Magazine piece of Cover Art for the Summer Spectacular.... the year of UNTOUCHABLES.... remember it? Well, Kevin was in the midst of MEGA-HYPE... that was the year Turtles hit... the beginning of a $4 Billion Dollar machine... all from pen and pencil and paper.
A $40 to $60 million dollar hard edge original roots Turtle film? Could this be Eastman and Laird deciding to finally getting the Turtles back to what made them so popular... the original vision? We'll see, but in the meanwhile... We're faced with a world that has John Woo directing a gigantic budget TMNT movie.... and I can't wait to see the original at the Drafthouse tonight.... it's going to be wild!
The picture's estimated production cost will fall between $40 million and $60 million. No Hollywood studio is attached to co-finance or distribute the project. The picture is tentatively scheduled to hit theaters in Christmas 2002.
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I hated the sugar-sweet crap that TMNT became :P If it is true to the original comic, this could rock, but somehow I have my doubts...
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but it could kick much ass. i loved the first turtles movie when it came out, hearing raph say "damn" was enough to make me think it was cool. didn't hurt that it was a fun flick either. well, the old comics weren't really THAT hard edged when i think about it, but they blew away the toon turtles. it might be hard to tell em apart though, because they all had red bandanas... hmn, very interesting
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it's never gonna happen.
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I wonder if the CGI graphics will be on par with say Final Fantasy?
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Finally something to purge those memories of the horrible cartoon from my fragile little mind.
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This will kind of rock the sewers!
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Jun 21, 2001 4:29:45 AM CDT
damn...in the 5.3 seconds it took to write that, 2 or 3 other du
by exador
but that's just the way of things....OK OK OK....if anyone shows up here we should have some hokey ground rules to intimidate and humiliate them with...such as knowing the original background stories from the 1st 2 years..to knowing what holiday was being celebrated in the comick during the famous-half-silent issue...to aww...what ever, come in all of ya, just try to be a fan of the original eastmen and laird work...it really was all that and a bag of chips...the funniest send-up of frank miller-ronin type stuff...the artwork was sublime and the stories were new ...let's face it..this sort of shit had never really been done before....oh...one last thing....wasn't the cerebus turtles cross over fucking amazing?!?!?...ahhh to be young again....this as most of you will recall is about 15 years ago.....anyway's exador shall return..........................."Mork....is that YOU?.........."
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I hope beyond hope that this will happen, and we get to see the TMNT in their "True" form. Harry is right get those first 12 ishs of the original TMNT series, the books that started it all and u will see some kick ass action. You'll be surprised at how much was changed from book to television and movie screen......although the first movie was the best. CGI turtles? oh let it happen, let it happen!!
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yes!!!!
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Never thought I'd hear COWABUNGA in a movie ever again!
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For the love of all that's holy, does anyone even CARE about the teenage mutant ninja turtles? and that's a serious question. maybe people do, i don't know. either way, why is Woo wasting his time with this? Why can't a man of his talent find something that is ACTUALLY worthy of this time and talent? does this mean Corey Feldman has a job again? What other outdated crap can Woo make after this? Is this the best project someone of Woo's talent can find to make in Hollywood? If this would news would have come out in December 1999, I would have said it was a sure sign the world was ending at midnight on New Year's Eve.
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i am enthusiastic! i want this film!
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All you guys are making it sound like it would be a terrible thing if the new movie bore a resemblance to the kiddie cartoon series, but I'm sick of the cartoon bashing already! The Ninja Turtles cartoon was my favourite cartoon ever when I was 7 years old, and your criticism of it amounts to blasphemy in my book. I never read or saw any of the original comics Harry was talking about, but I truly loved the cartoon and saved up all my pocket money to buy the brilliant action figures. Remember Splinter, Shredder, Krang, the Technodrome, Rocksteady, Bebop, the Rat King, Baxter Stockman, etc... all those great characters! Whenever I'm channel surfing nowadays and I stumble upon a repeat of the Turtles it brings a tear to my eye and I remember with nostalgia what it felt like to be 7 years old in a perfect innocent world. I loved the original Turtles movie (even if it was a little dark and scary in tone). The second Turtles movie: Secret of the Ooze was also very enjoyable at the time, and the Vanilla Ice "Go ninja, go ninja go!" song was hilarious. By the third movie when the Turtles went back in time to ancient China and dressed up like Samurai warriors, the Turtles were past their sell-by date. But I'll never forget the golden years of the Turtles.
As an ode to those delightful Turtles: "Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines(that's a fact, jack!), Raphael is cool but rude (gimme a break), Michaelangelo is a party dude!"
It was also cool the way the bad guys and the Foot soldiers would be shooting lasers at the Turtles in every episode but the Turtles would never get hit!
Classic stuff!
In the USA and Canada the show was called "Teenage Mutant NINJA Turtles" but when the show was released in Britain and Ireland this was changed to "Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles" because the term Ninja wasn't well known or understood on our side of the Atlantic at the time. -
oh c'mon...sucks BIGTIME.
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Well, I glanced outside my window and didn't see the four horsemen of the apocolypse and have decided this can go two ways, if Woo plans on going through with it: It can either be a complete thirl ride (a la "Face Off") or celuoid (sp?) excrement (see "Broken Arrow").
Although unquestionably one of my favorites, Woo has admittedly been on the decline since coming to the U.S. (obviously because the studios collectively drove a dumptruck of money up to his front lawn--"Hey John, where do you want this?" and he got lazy.) He's going to take another crack at a franchise, which has me worried. That in combination with negative buzz on "Windtalkers", things do not bode well. The idea of returning the Turtles to their almost hentai-like roots is appealing.
In way, much like Woo in terms of consistency, the marketing wizards on this one could be either a)brillant in attracting the audience that knew them in both their comic and cartoon forms, promising something different or b)compelte blithering morons, trying to remarket the turtles kittie style for what supposedly a more mature take on them. Either way, I'll be interested in seeing the result. -
How great is this!?! I say bring it on..and while your at it make that Transformers live action cg mix thing that was on Aintitcool.com a few months back....what's that you say..that was a hoax...naw couldnt be..it was on Aintitcool.com!
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it better have Krang - the funniest character of all time. By the way, what happened to that Harrison Ford western Woo was supposed to do. I don't know if anything was posted about it on this site but HSX began selling the shares for it a while ago.
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TMNT based on the original comics would be awesome as long as Kevin Eastman doesn't inject any ideas that he couldn't try with Heavy Metal 2000 or talk Woo to let his wife Julie Strain provide a voice (probably one of the worst actresses of all time, makes Pamela Anderson look like a Shakespearian thespian). And Rabid Republician, you can't really use "hentai" to describe the original TMNT, it is generally translated to mean "sexually perverted" and is only use to describe extreme pornography (rape, BSDM, water sports, etc...)
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is that we'll have turtles flying through the air, pistols in each hand, long locks flying behind, fire and doves reflecting in their pimpin' aviator shades, etc....
I am a huge turtles fan, old school style, the black and white, graphically violent comic books, not those cheese-ass pizza eating, rapping pieces of shit that made eastman and laird trillions of clams (not that I begrudge them that, actually--and I DO own the original TMNT blimp toy)
my only concern is that Woo will fuck it up. Everybody is always creaming over Woo, hasn't anyone realized that he has become something that stinks vaguely of self-parody? His last few movies have sucked ass, and yes, of course that includes MI-2, the stinkiest piece of feces crapped out of Hollywood in some time, out of Woo's own bowels. Now, if Fincher were to take on this project, I could rest easy. -
Ahh...Memories, I remember the first time the Ninja Turtles came on TV. It was a 1 hour special and after watching it I couldnt decide wether to like the Leonardo that was into philosophy, or the leonardo who sounded like kaneda. The Raphael who liked Metallica and was a dick, or The raphael who had an "attitude". The Michaelangello that was secretly in love with April, Or the Michaelangelo who was openly in love with pizza. The Donatello who was a genius with computers and science, or the Donatello who "did machines". The April who looked like an actual woman one might find talking to "mutant turtles", or the April who looked like a barbie reject with a robot camera. I could go on, but my head hurts at the thought of seeing a CG version of the turtles. In short, Each version had its own merits. Screw it, while your at it woo, give me a CG version of Ren
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..you used to be clever. Now you're jst stupid
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Jun 21, 2001 6:04:31 AM CDT
Woo with an american studio is bad woo on his own is very very g
by sundown
MI2 and Arrow (to a much much lesser degree) were bad... Face off he had complete control and ditto for his Hong Kong pics and they ruled. Now don't forget they were up his ass over mi2 with that loser Cruises ideas and jackass studio suits. This sounds like an almost indie thing and that is the style of Hard Boiled. Imagine the guy WHO DID HARD BOILED given 40 million and allowed to make any kind of turtles film he wanted!?!?!WOW. I don't know why he'd do it but if he did I and a whole lot of other people would be there. One minor point- the first film was great and a good comic film and even pretty dark and batmany. Now the original comics were friggen awesome and pretty good parodies of the dark xmen and daredevil ninja stuff. Now the turtles won't have two guns they'll have big nasty weapons but the bad guys (thugs will) and I'm sure we'll also have the foot. Now the cartoon incidentally did rock. The first mini series was one of the best things I ever saw on tv. The art was leagues better than most superhero cartoons and the writing was sharp. The five or six episode mini was great and don't forget the second film used the mutants from the comic and thats why it failed. Bebop and Rocksteady were much cooler. The whole first season was great and it was a while before it went downhill. The second and third films were increasingly bad and screw new line for cutting the budget... when the first one made 80 million. Shame on them and I hope this is a success more than anything to screw them over. In the end I just hope this story is real cause it sounds faker than pams tits but I hope it is. I'm even more excited by Woo going away from studios to work alone to be honest. I'll cross my fingers.
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This might be decent. I still don't know who dug this out from under a rock. I will believe it when I see it. I can't believe Woo doesn't have something better to do.
I think everyone is going to see with the Final Fantasy movie (the trailer was more than enough for me) and saw with TPM that this CGI is getting way overused and abused. It is the number one vehicle for lazy, uninspired, shortcut filled filmaking. CGI is not good enough to carry a movie, like they tried with TPM. CGI can be good for things that are meant to be "cartoonish" like Shrek or what not. I am CGI'd out! -
Jun 21, 2001 6:32:43 AM CDT
This would be the coolest if he was discussing a dark, LIVE-ACTI
by sith witch
instead of that Henson crap. I love Henson all around, but he should not have made live-action Turtles films. I mean come on, his turtles were six feet tall! Woo needs to recruit midgets and get them back at the 3 foot standard established by the comics, then make a really dark and no-holds barred live movie. I am just not as big on animation when you can actually recreate something real looking for a movie...
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The original comics were goo. The cartoon was not. The toys were shit. The movies were shit. The idea of this movie is shit. MI-2 was good. Broken Arrow was shit. Face Off was great. Anyone who liked the cartoon is a retarded dickhead.
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Man those original books were awesome! When I was in high school in the early '80s, the comic publisher for the books was located in the next town over, so they were a big cult hit in the school and were constantly passed around. They were funny, edgy, and a little dark. I remember how excited I was when I heard they were making movies out of them, and how disappointed I was when they turned out to be total kiddie flicks. Man, if they could get back to the original tone of the books, that would be awesome!
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Get real, Harry. Your such a fanboy! Hard Edged Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?! I'm sure it'll be the TAXI DRIVER of kung fu turtle movies... what the fuck?!
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reading this thread makes me think that most aicn readers associate tmnt with the cartoon/toy/movie franchise froma few years back. What most dont realize that the original tmnt was sick cutting edge comix. The original black and white eastman/laird books were light years ahead of the drivel pumped out by d.c. and marvel. TMNT was gritty and edgy, two aspects that were completely glossed over when the turtles went kiddie. If woo keeps to the original formula we can have a serious geekboy pic on our hands. Best story line from the comic? When shredder beat the ever living shit out of the turtles and exiled them from new york city. That plus the "return to new york" 3-parter would make a serious shitkicking movie. But then again my hopes have been dashed too many times. Do I dare to dream?
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Jun 21, 2001 6:47:40 AM CDT
By the time this hits the screen, *if* it ever hits the screen,
by jackburton
You just mark my words. A dark, 60 million dollar CGI Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie directed by John Woo, shit, next you'll try and make me believe that Corey Feldman is going to make a massive comeback in a sequel to that eighties shitfest The Goonies...
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Jun 21, 2001 6:50:43 AM CDT
Where would John Woo insert the "slow-mo white doves flying" sce
by smugbug
Sorry, had to ask. Hell, I think I should just give up on John Woo and H-town movies and keep watching his Hong Kong flicks. I'm about ready to give up on Mr. Woo.
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I don't care who's directing or what the subject matter is, I got two words for anyone who thinks thay can get a full CGI flick from zero into theaters in 18 months without it looking like fucking 'VeggieTales': Good Fucking Luck.
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To anyone out there saying "Sweet crap why make a Turtles movie??" look at the box office of the past 5 years. I mean last summer sucked for movies. X-men was the only good one out there. Look at the last 2 Batman flicks. There's a shit fest for you. The original Turtles comics were great. Even the first movie is a classic. They're finally just making a pure turtles movie. Enough years have moved by the the kids who watched the cartoon are in college and the rest of the adolecent youth doesn't even remember them. Hollywood is always doing remakes, most of which don't need to be done (psycho) so it's always good to see they're revitilising a dieing franchise. X-men had great potentiol to suck of they went for the PG audience, but they have it a story. And if you don't like the Turtles, why the hell are you even wasting you time reading and writing about this article.
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The article actually said nothing about John Woo directing - it just mentioned him and his "production partner." So he could just be producing the whole shindig.
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Jun 21, 2001 7:30:39 AM CDT
Only if they include "Turtle Power" on the soundtrack, though
by otto parts
T-U-R-T-L-E Power! I'm joking, naturally. Mac an Cheannai needs clarification on a couple of points. I'm not going to get into trying to explain why if you read the original comics, the cartoon didn't just suck, it didn't even make sense - but I will say: the assertion that it was called Hero Turtle in the UK and Ireland because "the term ninja wasn't well known or understood" is complete SHIT. Do you honestly think in the only last 10 years the word ninja has come into the collective consciousness? and why, pray tell, was it a well known and understood term in the States? No, the reason is because a certain Mr Ferman, who was at the time head of the British film classification board, had a real bee in his bonnet about nunchakas [or whatever they're called], the weapon which consists of 2 or 3 sticks joined by a chain. This is why you almost never saw Michelangelo using his preferred choice of weapon, because believe it or not, those scenes were censored [from a KID'S CARTOON]. He decided that the word 'ninja' was too evocative of this sort of thing, and the name had to be changed. Thankfully, the old twat has retired now, which is why we now get the full version of Enter the Dragon back on our TV screens. Mac's obviously not that old, so as far as I'm concerned he may well have fond memories of the cartoon, and was probably too young to have read the comics, so fair enough. But it's "Raphael is cool but CRUDE" mate.
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Okay, I'll gladly read them - if someone could tell me where to get them. Anybody got any ideas? I loved the Turtles when I was younger, and would *love* to read these. Help, please??? Want issues.
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Jun 21, 2001 7:39:03 AM CDT
APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by _jerkwad_loser_
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ewem, you quite obviously know zero about CGI film tecniques if you call it ' lazy, uninspired' & a 'shortcut'. Believe me there is nothing lazy about CGI, it's a massively labour intensive task. In many instances it would be a much easier shortcut to rely on older traditional methods, but George Lucas was savvy enough when making TPM to realise that CGI is the best way to realise certain images. There is no way that this film has too much CGI, it has just the right ammount for the storytelling needs. In fact it probably has far more than people realise they just don't recognise every digital effects shot as being so.
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AWESOME!! I sometime forget why I like the comic and show and toys so much, maybe john woo can bring it back. P.S. They should not have guns! As cool as you make them look, they need to have the original weapons!
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You give good talkback! Funny shit baby.
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Remember them? I still OWN all those first issues. ALL OF THEM. Even the silly ass martial arts training books. And there was more than 12 that where good. There is about 40 of them. Awesome stuff in my youth. There was just nothing like them. NOTHING! I was already into things like Cerebus, Puma Blues, and Elfquest (again, the old oversized originals...when they where good...man, those first 21 where REALLY good) so when I discovered the Turtles I just flipped and got my hands on everything I could find. Then the color comics came. And the movies and TV cartoons and merchandising...blech. But at the time it all that crap pushed the value of the originals up to ridiculous sums of cash. There value now is laughably low though. I would LOVE to see a new film with the harder edge. Less stupid fuckin' jokes. Doesn't have to be CGI or John Woo. Just no Vanilla Ice and breakdancing. The secret of the ooze...please. I would like to point out though that Eastman & Laird did all this shit themselves and made A LOT!!!! of money. So don't expect to see a new movie without a new onslaught or merch. Hey, did anyone check out the series they put out on Image a few years ago? It was supposed to be all hardcore and nasty. I couldn't get past the second issue.
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I know you meant Cerebus. Right? Hmmmm?
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I was a comics freak when TMNT first hit, and I remember the first few Frank Miller inspired issues well (I wish I still had them!). Kevin and Peter were very humble when they first got successful; I remember them doing LOTS of free sketches for fans at a convention once.
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direct a mid-budget(30 mil or so), star free version of The Punisher.
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Man, that brings back memories. A darker version of Turtles sounds intriguing. Make it R rated and make the turtles really violent vigelantes and I'm there. Throw in some sex with April O'Neil too.
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Look, i'm not criticizing anyone whose into the TMNT. if you like 'em, god bless ya, i'm not one to judge. do i like it or have ever liked it? nope. my interest in this is John Woo and why he keeps making crap (save Face/Off) in the U.S. i kinda felt like the turtles were waaaaaaay past their prime in the entertainment industry, but maybe i'm wrong. ... but, really, DOES THIS MEAN corey feldman has a job?
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...just may be the greatest video game ever. The original NES game sucked though. Also Julia Roberts should play April O Neill. Was April in the original comic book? Anybody who can answer that question for me seriously needs to get laid. Finally, note not John Woo- bring back Corey Feldman as one of the voices. I saw him trying to use food stamps at a KFC the other day.
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Several Years ago there was a full page ad in a magazine (I think it was Comics Scene before they went under...yes I realize they came BACK but this was before they went under the FIRST time). The Ad was VERY Dark Knight Returns looking. It had a cityscape and the black silouette of a Turtle jumping. The ad said "TMNT IV - Coming Christmas 1997" (or was it '98? I forget). Thats kind of weird. I wonder what happened. The comics are true classics. As is the first film. The third film was relativly ok. THe second film and the cartoon are good blueprints of what NOT to do to make the movie a sucess. And lets just forget that "The Next Mutation" ever happened....
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Jun 21, 2001 9:02:31 AM CDT
Let's get things straight, Sit back and shut your Pie hole Gene
by redbox
I am sick and tired of you youngsters ruining my favorite memories with cheap commercial exploitative mass marketed crap. I'm glad you liked the Turtles cartoon, and you think that The Shredder is a funny bumbling villain, instead of a cold, evil, frightening adversary. I'm glad you like the X-men cartoon and think the "Dark Phoenix Saga" is a dumb outer space journey, instead of one of the most brilliant tragic stories of the X-men. Guess what, you had your turn, you have had your Batman movies and your blasphemous Disney movies that mash the saga of Hercules into a poor Xena episode and spin Victor Hugo and A. A. Milne in there graves. The Baby Boomer's are out of the director's Chair!! Now maybe Brain Singer can give us a moment of respect, maybe Peter Jackson can bring the real story to life, maybe Miller and Aronofsky can make Bruce the focus and make the Dark Knight Return, maybe. So many possibilities, many will fail. Our time will go and more crap will be made. But right now there is a possibility that what we love in comic books and fiction, could truly live on the screen as more than a flashy and dumbed down exploitation. My generation is coming into power with a love for sincerity in characters that the "camp" generation could never understand. The Turtles are like that. A moment of brilliance and a decade of kiddie toons and Burger King cups. So now that the multi-colored festival of mutated zoo escapees is all but expunged from our memories, I don't want to remember them!! If John Woo wants to make MY turtles a realty again, why should you care. You have so many videos of your cowabunga buddies to go through. I have a few issues of comic books. So sit back and watch what happens. I guarantee that what you liked in your "Cliff Notes" version is there in the origina. This is going to be a good time for lovers of Spidey and Frodo, maybe one day Alan Moore's "Swamp Thing". Or dare I say "Watchman"? Probably not. But three cheers for Ang Lee and good luck with Dr. Banner. I'm going back to my Batman Animated until "The Justice League" stomps out "The Super Friends".
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When I saw the headline about hard edge turtles I immediatley thought they might be talking about the brief stint they did with image a few years ago. For those that missed those comics, Don got his shell broken and was reborn a cyborg, Leo got one hand bit off, and Raph has his face fried and now wears an eyepatch and Casey's old mask. Raph also became the new shredder and leader of a reborn foot clan. Now THOSE were some freaky comic book stories. Then, just like that, the comics ended. I hear rumors of another series coming back with Laird in charge again. But the first 12 issues of the original series were already adapted in the first 2 TMNT movies. So if they really are going to do another movie I bet it will be on the Image comics. Run down to your local back-issue seller and pick up a few of the Image ones. See what you think then.
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Seriously how else can one explain the fact that THE FAMILY MAN directs a Hannibal Lecter film, that Schumacher gets ON THE ROAD, that Curtis Hanson directs an EMINEM biopic, that JOHN WOO directs a flick that is not only all CGI but stars mutated turtles!!! Sweet Mary Mother Of God get the fuck away from the hard drugs!! It
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I was so aggrieved to learn that Vernon was not in the live-action movies!!!!! Actually, Vernon was a pretty interesting character! I recall one topic on his show was DID ELVIS INVENT THE VIDEO GAME? & other assorted controversial topics. All kidding aside, this idea might work seeing as how all of the kids who were 5-12 years old when this show was popular are now adults & may have a desire to see it. I doubt that the elementary-school crowd of today will have any interest in this film but the movie is not geared for that crowd!
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I want a Groo movie! Where's my Groo movie!?!? Or at least an anim series!!! Groo! Groo!
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it's gotta be a CGI Eminem or Fred Durst. Those guys are Vanilla's modern day equivalent. What could be worse than a raprock version of the ninja rap. Word to your motha. This movie does sound entertaining though. Strange as all hell but those Eastman/Laird comics were great.
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I hate to remind you but superfriends was a big generation X hit and Batman Adventures was gen y and Schumacher was older than all of us! I am gen Y I guess though I hate the terms and have read all the same books as you so chill the hell out and pay atttention to what you're saying. You rant like some meglamaniac its scary and thats why no one listens to comic fans. Fact is the Shreddar wasn't goofy in the original cartoon he was cool in a megatron kind a way. He was ruthless and viscous and so were Bebop and Rocksteady. Sure it got increasingly cartoony and the art quality diminished but in the beginning that show rocked and had better action sequences than most modern action films. It wasn't a goofy version but a version that was as toned down as necessary for TV and yes I loved the Return to NY storyline in the comics and yes I grew up reading the original black and white Crow and watching the film version(thats our generation buddy!) and hard as nails indie stuff was the bomb but to say you guys ruled everything and we messed it all up is just ignorant. Or were McFarland and Lee and all the others that messed up comics not generation x???
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There are *2* teams of iradiated, mutated, hard-shelled, trash-talkin' Turtles. One is called the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle", is a black-and-white (later colored) comic that started in the basement of Eastman and Laird in the EARLY 80's.
Fast forward to (trying to remember) about 1989. Eastman and Laird sold the rights to their creation and, hence, created the "Teenage BUBBLEGUM Mutant Ninja Turtles (let's say it - "Heros in a half shell, TURTLE POWER!!")
Now, one of these teams was cool, brash, crass, and kicked the ass of lowlife, scumbag, city-dwellin' fools. Catch-phrase: "Fuck you, I'm gonna kick your ass!!"
Other Team - the BUBBLEGUM Turtles. They had a different color for each of their bandanas (the Fruit-Strip Gum red-blue-orange-yellow) instead of all red.
They ate pizza and said "witty", marketable catch phrases like "Cowabunga, Let's kick some SHELL!! (?)" - And who's "shell" are you gonna kick, exactly, when you guys are the ones with the shells??
I don't hold any grudge against either Eastman or Laird for "selling out", it's a business. Kevin Eastman is really cool, met him at the San Diego ComicCon a few years ago and got a KILLER sketch of Raphael holding a Sai across his face!!
Something else I don't hold a grudge against?? Kids who were TOO YOUNG to catch the whole picture in the first place and DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING by stuff like "I hope Julia Roberts can play April O'Neil". April O'Neil...she's BLACK, fer Christs' sake!!!
Anyone here who is posting because you liked the Bubblegum Turtles when you were a kid - Take my word for it, do a little digging and find the old issues.
Wicked, harsh Kung-Fu fighting action? We're talking the difference between CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON and The Mighty Morphine Power Rangers.
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Jun 21, 2001 10:55:59 AM CDT
Wouldn't it make more sense for the Turtles to be CG, and most o
by hellbeard
Otherwise, you risk having extremely artificial-looking human characters (the budget is awfully low for a CG film).
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Jun 21, 2001 10:57:54 AM CDT
Man, I'm still sad, that ass Moriarty just pissed in my cornflak
by themightyra
A.I. will NOT SUCK!!!!
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Jun 21, 2001 11:05:20 AM CDT
I'm positive that I've somehow been transported to the 'Twilight
by psyclops
This could rock or it could be a major embarassment to all involved. Shit... this is just too weird to believe. Can you imagine a 'Turtles' flick that would leave little children crying in the aisles? That's it folks,... Hell has frozen over!
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This is cool.. I want to see the lifeless pure white eyes and ruthless snarls that I remember from the original comics.. I was sick the first time I saw the bastardization that was the cartoon. Bring it on...
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That was video music director Steve Barron's second film after he made the somewhat foolish "Electric Dreams". Barron's directed A-Ha's "Take On ME" video, and also Michael Jackson,s "Billy Jean". The other films he has directed besides "ED" and "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" are "Coneheads" and the great mini-series "Merlin". The reason I mention all of this is cuz I like some of Barron's work even though most of it has been subpar.
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...silly but true, one of, if not THE, final Magnum, PI. I think it was a TV movie, he goes home for a family reunion or funeral or something, back east, and Magnum's sharing a room with his 10-year-old cousin or nephew... who offers him a TMNT comic to read before bed. He declines, but that's the first place I heard about it. Circa 1987... but I never had comics much back then, but when the cartoon started out a couple years later, and the action figures appeared, everyone got into it, and one person in my 6th grade class (a girl, even!) had the first 4 graphic novels! Damn those were cool. I bought #4, I think... it was the Christmas one, return of the Shredder, Casey Jones, Leo gets whomped while out patrolling the streets, they go to that old house up north... basically, a good chunk of the first movie, only without Splinter's spirit, Leo NOT Raph was hurt, etc etc. "Wugga wugga, gaijin! It's go time!" Dem were some good comics! TMNT, the 'toon, was just silly by comparison. I still watched it for a couple seasons, hoping against all hope that the quality of the animation would return to the well-done title intro (I'd not yet put 2+2 together that the title sequences for all those '80s toons were almost ALWAYS well-done, usually by another studio altogether, to help hook the kiddies). Ah well. As for this film happening... 18 months, all CGI? Good god, I can smell how bad it'll be from here. Pixar takes 2-4 years per film, and that's top of the line! and the shortest production run, Toy Story 2, was short because it was gonna be video, a MAJOR chunk of material had already been planned & cut from the first one, AND AND AND....!!!! They had almost all models they needed for the characters! Sure, they updated, but that's a lot different than building from scratch. Okay I'm done now.
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I wasn't crazy about the original Ninja Turtles growing up, but I liked the film and ended up going back to some of the comics. But I still can't see this film being more than PG-13. I don't know...they're already recognizable characters.
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A Groo movie would be awesome! But I think I heard somewhere that Sergio said no. Also, a Yosagi Yojimbo movie would be interesting. He could be in the Turtle movie even. They did crossover. And what about a Cerebus appearance. There is NO WAY a good Cerebus movie could ever be made...hmmm. Well that's not true. Kevin Smith could do it. All he would have to do is plant his camera and follow the characters around as they babbled on for 20 minutes about things that seem really profound....but mostly aren't. Then cut to the next seen. Which would be basically the same thing with a different background. But Cerebus could make his crossover appearance in the Turtles flick as well. Yeah! Turtles, Rabbits, and Aardvarks...oh my!
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Oh man, this is the first story where I nearly literally creamed myself, I was just talking to my friends about making a movie like this a few weeks ago, Lets hope it has shredder and all the guys I rememebr from the old cartoon, and no stupid-ass chick turtle in place of April. Oh......ugh...yea....oh...yea
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Give me a break with that studio money spoiled Woo nonsense. Face/Off cost a heck of a lot more than Broken Arrow and Hard Target, did it not? And in Hong Kong, his productions were huge. Hard-Boiled had a gigantic budget and filmed for what? 200+ days? Studios have been portioning out huge amounts of money to Woo for a long time now. That's not the problem. The problem lies in the awful scripts and Woo's long-standing problems with the overall pacing of his films (chopping out or shortening certain scenes). But otherwise, he's still doing great.
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So was the first movie, I loved watching the cartoon when I was little and I have fond memories of it, I still have my Burger King video of one of the episodes, I think i'll go watch it....ohhh....yea.....
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too cool to be true. Even more so
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Keep reporting on this! Look at how many talkbacks there are already! People WANT to know more about this! Screw The Matrix and Star wars 2 and even spiderman, they get too much press, I want a TMNT story EVERYDAY! EVERY SINGE DAY! I WANT MORE!!!! Now I have to get the movie on DVD, this is the best news all day. Ahhh memories.
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Give me a break. This movie will blow. They ruined the franchise when kids became so attached to it. It had it's day in the sun when some of us read/collected the Eastman/Laird 12 ish series run. Problem here people is that by selling out to Archie comics...There is now way the studio's will allow a veritable potential cash cow slip by the kids. Think about it. Marketing equals success when it comes to celluloid. So the better the marketing...the better the sales...the better the chance for a sequel. Do you honestly think that Burger King or McDonald's will be able to market a darker Ninja Turtle?
Hell if it works that is great...but think about the way studio execs think...in there mind...it's not about the greater vision or the overall aesthetic qualities of the film they produce...they think in terms of dollar signs.
Thanks for listening kiddies!!!
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Pre-Teen Dirty Gene Kung-Fu Kangaroos.......HHHHAAAAIIII!!!!!
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Now that I've calmed down and had time to breathe, I think I can speak in clear, consise, non caps lock sentences. The reason this movie will work is because all the people who watched the cartoon show back in the day, are now all grown up, and like I said before, when I was talking to some friends about this kind of movie a few weeks ago, they all said it was a great idea, and that it could kick ass. There IS a market out there, as long as the suits don't market it all wrong or try to sell it to another generation of little kids, like they did with that live action show about 2 years ago, luckily it wasn't big enough to force selling this movie to kids. Hopefully they learned theyre lesson and will make this movie for an older audience.
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Does the world need this? Will such a movie please ANYONE, except (maybe) the hardcore fans of original comic, which are FAR outnumbered by the fans of the kidified cartoon version, anyway. I'm sorry, but I just don't get the reasoning behind making a "hard-edged" Turtles movie. No one, except fans of the orignal comic book, will EVER take it seriously. I can't believe this is for real. It sounds more like fanboy wishful thinking than anything else.
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And why shouldn't it be....this was comics finest hour in the 80's...it was hip, it started in the greatest underground kind of way....for the first couple of years, hardly anyone new about it, so it remained cool for quite awhile...and when it hit big...it went Supernova!!!....I thought the movie was cute and all, and enjoyed it for what it was...but those first issues...god, how they rocked...the way the art progressed..the style changes....should this movie be made? HELL YES!!!while I don't agree with that previous poster about how gen y ruined shit for us, I DO agree with him on the fact that our generation wants to drop this whole 'age of irony' shit, and kill the camp stuff, and do justice to some of these stories and characters....eastman and Laird gave us a dose of gritty black and white kooky mayhem....So if a movie is to be made it must be true to the original work, not that crap image printed......the ORIGINALS...that's why the 'franchise' was so popular to begin with....that was what put them on the map....anyhow...although there were a few doubters and punks on this talk back, I must say, the majority here seem to be true believers...and the masses have spoken...do we want to see a gritty, dark hard-hitting turtles movie...YES...when do we want it....SOON AS YOU CAN MAKE IT!!!!...ok..there ya go....how simple is that....
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Jun 21, 2001 12:45:35 PM CDT
IF I PAID 8 BUCKS TO SEE THAT PIECE OF SHIT "TIAN A.E." I'M GOIN
by waltflanagansdog
NOOTCH...
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optimally, an animated version would capture the look best, as well as the action style. if this cgi thing is actually to be, however, it could be a step in the right direction for comic books in general. it might help to move the entire genre forward much in the same way the dark knight returns influenced the first batman movie.it might help to change the popular perception on comic books and cartoons (and we may catch up to other countries in the general acceptance of the artforms). as far as movies are concerned, many have tried, but so far, only the matrix truly feels like a comic book when you watch it.think about the future, eckhart....
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Issues 19-21 of the original TMNT Mirage series, titled "Return to New York" was one of the greatest comic book sagas I've ever read. It deals with the Turtles last battle with Shredder. It's very dark and shows the problems with the Turtles personality types, when they try to work as a team. *Spoiler to those who have not read* It ends with Leonardo cutting off Shredder's head, classic stuff.
The 4 graphic novels (Issues 1-12 or 13) are also amazing. It really is some kick ass stuff. If this movie thing is true then this, along with Batman: Year One, will fulfill years of dreaming for me. Make it happen John!!!!! -
Loved that T-U-R-T-L-E power song. a-hem, but before everyone starts critizing the suckdom of the tMNT, they should at least get the first 12 ish of the series and see just how "hard edge" they were. In response to the Talk backer who wanted to know if april is in the comic series? Yes! but not as a TV news reporter. casey jones also kicked ass, and it wasn't convoluted with all the quips and such like the cartoon series. I think u can get the series in a graphic tradepaper back. I have the first volume and still read it to this day.
TMNT had a chance at redemption with the live action series...but with the introduction of the 5th turtle, a really sorry ass villian, who started out way past cool, and even more lame jokes during the fight scenes the show got canceled before it could grow legs (thank goodness) but i look forward to this movie and hope that Woo gives it a unique, hard edge perspective and not impliment any of what were in the movies or cartoon series (although the first movie rocks the cazba) -
Magic Magic Ninjas, What?! Magic, Magic Ninjas, What?! Magic Magic Ninjas, What?! Go Ninja Go Ninja Go....
Just had to say that. Anyways, I think this could be a fresh movie. Bieng that I said this, you can tell I'm not a high class, film snob who can only appreciate Films, and not some kick ass cool fucking Movies.
I can tell and appreciate the distinction between a good film and a cool movie though, I liked Pi, but I also thought Dude, Where's My Car? was a cool flick. Let the film snobs start complaining......now.
Okay, one last thing, I wish that Transformers cg movie would've been real, that would have kicked ass right there. But really what I want to see is a live action G.I.Joe movie, bring that shit back. Hellz yeah. -
Perhaps it's the fever dream of a man (Eastman) with hundreds of millions of dollars burning a hole in his pocket. If that's the case, then maybe you don't have to worry about it being sanitized for marketing purposes. It's just the passion of a guy who doesn't need money and can bankroll it himself. He could do it as dark as he wants (and really, in some ways, that would ensure a long shelf-life for this movie).
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What the bloody hell John Woo has been smoking lately?
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that would be great
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I got it on DVD the other day and even though the extras suck, that movie still rules. I almost shed a tear when Optimus Prime died. And the soundtrack rules...."You got the Touch..."
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My vote for stupid childhood toy/comic book/cartoon/etc. that should be put onto the big screen is the Parker Bros. electronic doll ROM the Spaceknight! Rendered in all CG! Directed by David Fincher! I'm joking of course but with the way things have been going with big-name directors dicking off their name/career in such childish trash, who knows?
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I'm sifting through my outcasted comics of my collection and I find: Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters!!! And Cold Blooded Chameleon Commandos!!! Then I stumble upon an old favorite..a book that was actually good...Usagi Yojimbo! I remember they used ol Usagi in the Turtles cartoon in a couple wierd episodes...they should've had a cross over with him for film #3 instead of that atrocious Feudal Japan idea. I was 10 years old and I still hated it.
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I have issue one of Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters. I was going to mention it but didn't hink anyone would believe me. Glad to see someone else has kept some comics around for purposes other than cash. 'Cause that one ain't puttin' anybody through college.
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I think this is the coolest thing I've heard in a long time. John Woo making a Turtles movie. It seems funny that they've waited all thses years to do it, just afew months ago, I stated writing a 4th Turtle movie. I had some really good ideas, and I was using the original comicbooks as my guide. For thoses of you that hate the Ninja Turtles, go back to your power rangrs and leave here. I hope Beebop and Rocksteady are in this.
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Jun 21, 2001 3:42:05 PM CDT
Personally, I cry bullshit. But the original TMNT comics are pr
by tall_boy
I have 'em locked away in a closet somewhere, maybe I'll pull them out again. . .
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Peter Laird is now apparently the sole owner of the rights to TMNT, Kevin Eastman sold his half to him, probably to streamline all the legalities of the upcoming book. He was also writing a script for the TMNT 4 movie, supposedly based on the City At War storyline, though that might idea might have changed in a few years.
More info on the TMNT:
www.ninjaturtles.com
Peter's website:
www.planetracers.com
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Nothing but a wormhole in the space time continuum could POSSIBLY ressurect the stinking green corpse of the MNT after the corporate gang rape that was enacted in front of the world whatever years ago (the longer the better, time the great healer). This is DEAD. maybe it was cool once, but the happy meals, plastic figures, Tee Shirts, candy bars, cartoons, inane rap videos and shitty films have buried it under a towering landfill. Let none disturb their unclean remains, there are millions of better movies to make, literally MILLIONS.
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Even directed by Ron Howard, THAT would be better than this..
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In the half shell, they're the heros 4,in this day and age who could ask for more? The crime wave was high, with muggings mysterious, all the detective and cops were furious - cause they can't find the source, of this leathaly evil force. Now we need heros like the Lne Ranger, like when Tonto came proto, when there was danger. They didn't say they'ld be there in half an hour, cause they displayed TURTLE POWER!
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Just how "hardcore" and "edgy" do we all think the initial TMNT comics run was? I've read those issues, and the tone was pretty much nailed in the first live-action movie ten years ago. I loved the turtles when I was a kid, even the beyond cheesy sequels and the kiddified cartoon show, but there's something wrong with every aspect of this project. A) John Woo was a great director of deeper-than-most action films in Hong Kong, but since he hit the states every movie he's done has been pussified beyond belief. It's not all his fault, though. He has to cater to the egos and whims of people like John Travolta and Tom Cruise. I did actually dig "Face/Off" but that was far from gritty. Woo and American cinema do not click because I think he really is an artist, but he's working in an environment more about demographics and target audiences and ad campaigns, where the dollar is more important than what's on-screen. Woo's HK films still have an edge, but they're far from dark, and he cannot transcend through the majority of bullshit that is Hollywood. B) TMNT all-CGI will never be edgy or dark, because it will be perceived as a cartoon for kids and the audience for mainstream mature animation in America really isn't there, so if the studio big wigs don't see opportunity for success as a darker piece, it will not be so. C) I think the turtles will look better live-action. With all of this CGI, puppeteering and animatronics is slowly becoming a lost art. The turtles in the first movie looked great, and more importantly, they looked real enough to believe. CGI should not be the end-all-be-all wave of the future. It should be a resource, not the entire medium.
This is a movie I hope never comes to light, because John Woo is not the right director and the CGI element will not gel with the material. As flawed as the first movie is, let it stand alone. The first movie didn't have major studio backing, and I think New Line distributed it. It was somewhat independent, and as soon as it blew up you could see that they tried to make it more like the popular cartoon, and it became what every franchise becomes about - merchandising. Selling out. I'm all for having a really edgy TMNT movie, something with a more disturbing and emotional core with some really cool action sequences to boot, but how serious a story can you have when it's about mutated martial artist water turtles? I don't think giving Woo cart blanche will solve any of the problems, because Hollywood has sadly sucked the edge right out of him. I think he's lost the fight working in the US, and he doesn't have anymore because he's acclimatized and adapted in order to survive. I seriously don't think he's capable of another "Hard Boiled." He's not the right filmmaker, and whichever major studio owns the rights to this probably isn't the right studio. I hope if it does get made it gets the live-action treatment and is given somebody to helm it who has a real passion for the material, and can approach on a darker level than the original run of the comic. It needs a guerilla-style grit to it, and the look and feel of Wong Kar-Wai rather than John Woo. Hell, if anything, pull Curtis Hanson off the Eminem project and stick him on this - at least then fanboys can mess themselves in anticipation for something good. That man knows how to balance the tone of a piece, and in that balance can inject humor, emotion, depth, meaning and also darkness. If the new TMNT turns into just more studio produced drivel where the only intention of reviving the franchise is to make a shit load of money, then the reasons are all wrong. Some of us out there still want to see a really good movie about teenage mutant ninja turtles, especially those of us who grew up with turtle-mania and realized what a fucking sham it was when we got older, and now desire to set things straight and move on. I've still got turtle-fever in me somewhere, and I would be there opening day if it were done right. But this, this is not right. -
Eee....! And I had all but given up hope on the movie. Many thought, after seeing how not-so-well the third movie and the Next Mutation went.... it would be best to give up on that.
But hay... if the movie doesn't happen as thought (event hough I think it's soooo cool Woo is willling to have a part in it)...
There is still hope! IF no one has heard yet... Peter Laird and Jim Lawson are also BRINGING BACK the good ol Mirage influenced, black and white COMICS this fall! Yeesss!
They said all that happened in the Image comics is nullified too. These new comics are picking up from where Mirage VOL.2 left off.
Goto to www.plantracers.com/Blast/blastarchive.html
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Jun 21, 2001 5:53:38 PM CDT
Wow, did this put such an old school smile on my face....
by sethshandor
Won't believe it until I see it but man, what a cool and crazy Idead. Ironicly, I had just dug out some of my old Mirage B&W early turltes books and was flipping through them. Man, This would be sweet... I did enjoy the early silly cartoons, and cartoon comics, and the movies, but to do a real gritty true to the early comincs flick would rule the day. I'm still smiling...
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I loved the original Turtles comics. It was quite a shock going back and finding them, especially after my first exposure to the lads were in cartoon and action figure form. I've always wanted to see a theatrical version of the dark, edgy, original look that the TMNT had... and John Woo? Woo hoo!! (yeah, that was bad, but I'm having a geek-out moment). Count me as "eagerly awaiting".
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...but this is one comic book property that suits his style perfectly. Granted, he'd have to lay off the dove and pigeon fetish, but his style of violent action is perfectly suited to stories about ninjas and urban mayhem. TMNT is a great project for Woo. Then again, so would DAREDEVIL and its offshoots.So far, so good. This project sounds like a winner to me.
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Not that I didn't love the original black and whites 'Yes... we can bleed...'
But gritty, in the cartoons are sugar-coated crap for kids pablum?
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I remember seeing the first movie at Hogg auditorium at a sneek with a bunch of drunk college students. I think I still have the uncut cutout mask they were giving everone...
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This is fantastic fucking news, man! Read the article Harry got this from at Variety.com, it sounds real legit, with quotes from Laird and Woo and Terence Chang. Such as this: "I've always loved the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,' " Woo added. "It's one of the greatest action-adventure properties ever."
It also says that they've ALREADY MADE A NEW TV PILOT and are shipping it around right now. Internet nerds, go! Find it for us! -
This is going to be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy coooooool!:)
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I don't care HOW dark and serious these early comic strips are, I'm betting they're still about god damn NINJA TURTLES! I mean jesus christ is this something one of our great Poets of the Cinema really needs to be spending a year and a half doing, is GOD DAMN TURTLES?! And I have one more point to make: they are also NINJAS.
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Jun 21, 2001 10:13:53 PM CDT
The original TMNT live-action movie was a (partial) Hong Kong pr
by ghibli-san
The production company was GOLDEN HARVEST......the same company that made many Hong Kong films, many by John Woo no less. Hard Boiled, The Killer, they were all GOLDEN HARVEST productions, as is the original TMNT live-action film. So this isn't the first time Woo has been somewhat in a roundabout way involved with the Turtles. Does the name Raymond Chow ring a bell?
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There were more good stories, and more good versions, than that. More like the first 50.
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Thats right, John Woo is not directing it and thus not all the John Woo elements are gonna be there. And its gonna be entirely CGI. They're only gonna be responsible for putting the movie together but the man himself won't be behind the helm with the vision. I'm more hyped up about it if John Woo was the director cuz I love his style. Other Hollywood films that John Woo produced were The Big Hit and The Replacement Killers which you'll notice don't have as many of the visual moments that John Woo usually put in his films, namely the slow motion. Anyways, of course I'll check this movie out since i'm one of his biggest fans. But I am more hyped up about his directorial projects cuz the vision is all there on screen. I wonder who they're gonna hire as the director? I never thought that John Woo should direct martial arts flicks cuz kung-fu only looks really good if its done fast and with John Woo's slow-mo, its gonna make a fight scene last forever hehehe, anyways, PEACE!
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A Groo movie would suck. First of all, remember one of the Image issues, where they show in the letters page why there is never any blood when Groo slays someone? Even animated, the kind of violence in Groo would just not work without the blood. Live action would be impossible. Still is the only way to go.
That, and could you animate Aragones and still have it look like Aragones? (Are there any good examples of this already having happened?)
Also, this would require giving Groo a voice. IMO, that is something that can totally destroy any connection to an old beloved cartoon character, unless the voice is PERFECT (like Garfield). Rufferto would be even worse than Groo in this regard, I think.
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Jun 22, 2001 3:19:20 AM CDT
"C'mon, how do you guys expect to beat me?"..........."Good answ
by reb55_0
The earliest Turtles comics I can remember were compilations in 4 big color booklets, dated from about '85 to '89. I looked for three years for the fifth; never saw it. The origin stuff was great, this would at least make a KIKASS first movie, especially if done as raw as the comics were. Campy turtles are fun but hard-edged turtles are BadAsses. This really is cool news, Harry I almost can take back what I said about you for crapping on Point Break.....but you will still never surf. BTW, iamgod's mom's also a slut i have proof peace out.
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John Woo.... The edy bidy china man. T.N.M.T..... The edy bidy little green men. well purity says that if the edy bidy china man wants to make a T.M.N.T movie and do it without hollywood it sounds great it sound so good that im reminded of a long time ago to the T.M.N.T comics to what made them great. I hope that he pretends that the 3 horrors of hollywood are forgotten about and he uses the first comics as a guid of what the T.M.N.T are sapposed to be.
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Jun 22, 2001 6:11:32 AM CDT
This could be good but Harry how about some info on the upcoming
by brodiebruce
Some info on the film go to http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/elfquest.html
Review of the comic book series go to http://www.assignmentx.com/0/Editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Comics&action=page&obj_id=23823 -
I took soooooooooo much shit for being a fan of that comic book. And it's all because of the sell-out cartoon that the comic became. Fuck I hated my life in Jr. High because of it.. but this.. this is just amazing. I have often plotted out a hardcore anime series based on the comics in my mind. And yes, it was hardcore. People say "I dunno, the comics weren't THAT tough." Please. The Foot Clan wasn't made up of robots. "Clang? Did you say CLANG?" Fuck that. They were actual people that got fucked up BIG TIME. That's why it was so great. At any rate, I would back this 1000%
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Jun 22, 2001 8:29:31 AM CDT
How this could be groundbreaking: the first Black & White CGI fe
by pallando blue
That's what I've been unrealistically dreaming about the last 24 hours. Imagine (if pulled off well) how amazing that could be, and how perfectly it would capture the gritty, underground feel of the original books. With lots of grey-toned Miller-esque bloodletting. Immediately separating itself from the cartoony dreck entrenched in the popular culture. (Not one to deny others' childhood pleasures, but I cringe when someone writes "This would be great, I love the original comics! And the new movie better have Bebop and Rocksteady!" ...really now, wtf?) I'm not a comics snob, I'm never been into comics at all really (though I do respect and appreciate the medium), not even back in high school when a comic-geek friend turned me onto TMNT. He said I'd like these--and he knew me well. They were the right combination of fantastic imagination, well-choreographed hard action, well-written (and only occasional!) comic-relief, and a genuine surreallity that for all it's obvious satires still managed to take itself seriously. I got my #1 (2nd printing) and eagerly awaited each (inevitably delayed) issue. Soon enough, however, the fit hit the shan, and the marketing-machine new version arose. ...Frankly, I can't stand the movies, any of them. They're children's comedies, with action pieces. "3 Ninjas"-esque. Harmless. 100% non-threatening. Safe. Brainless. Catchphrases and pizza fetishes, targeted to the same Saturday-morning/after-school crowd the cartoon and Archie comix versions were. "Fun." I don't begrudge the fans of those "Turtles," for obviously they are legion. But to me it's the difference between "Akira" and "Pokemon." Here's hoping the fabulous wealth that the fast-food versions brought Eastman and Laird is actually making possible the, honestly, hard-to-sell violent and dangerous movie we all pictured over fifteen years ago. *** That said, I hope we get a Fugitoid spin-off! ;^)
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Ever since I first laid eyes on a TMNT Eastman and Laird comic book, or saw my fav super heros in their first movie on the big screen, a child of 6 watching twinkly eyed as my heros kicked some major ass, I've been waiting for them to be returned to their original dark, hard core selves!!
I think it's amazing what's been happening lately, and I hope to god that this movie is made and it is the best of all! Hey, even 15 years old girls like ME wanna see the original turtles back! This movie is sure to be a big hit! -
THIS IS THE BEST FUCKING NEWS I'VE HEARD SINCE LAIRD STARTED WORKING ON A COMIC AGAIN!
There's only one request I have,
I'm sure a lot of the other fans of the first turtles movie would agree with me, make them look good, not all gross like the Image turtles, yet not 'campshit' style either... I dunno if anyone gets what I mean here, but oh well~! It's still gonna kick ass!! -
the first movie was not meant at all as a kiddie movie. i know part of it at least was based on the graphic novel TMNT Book IV. In fact the whole, Raph (in the book Leo) getting fucked up and then the foot crashing into April's apartment/uncle's store was from the graphic novel. the movie was made before the tv show though i think once new line got a hold of it they changed some of the voices and did some editing cause i have the original trailer on one of my TMNT Burger King tapes and it has different voices and a couple of shots of scenes that weren't in the movie. the first movie was one of the most true-to-the-original comic book movies in existence, go read Book IV and you'll see what I mean. Also, does anyone remember when Richard Corben did the covers? Holy God, they were amazing. I remember I had a calender when I was a kid (i didn't discover the comics till I was 12 and the turtles phenom. was long gone..) and it had all the covers of the comics and they were some of the most amazing pieces of comic art i've ever seen. if eastman/laird and corben got involved in this and based it on another one of their kick ass graphic novels (which could happen, the mousers and fujitoid and triceriton from the toys and cartoon are also in the original comics). they could adapt from the comics and make it marketable to all ages and make it PG-13, by the way, there's no way they'd make it an R. the original "gritty comic" was not even R status. it was violent, but no more violent than crouching tiger, hidden dragon. and the cussing was mostly just, "damn" and sometimes "shit" there was no "fucks". this could potentially kick ass and be marketable at the same time. ill be first in line.
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Somebody said earlier: optimally, an animated version would capture the look best...
I gotta agree here... it definitely would. Think of Spawn. arguably one of the coolest comics of the 90's. Now think about the movie that mnakes you wnat to spew dayglow....But then think back to the HBO animated series....Now that was dark, mysterious and cool.
If they follow that trend....KABLAM...it could work.
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...that I can read those original comics on the internet?
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You can read the first issue of the Mirage TMNT comic at the official site http://www.ninjaturtles.com/ Once you get there click on the comic books section of the menu and if you scroll down slightly it will say "Read the entire first issue of the original TMNT HERE!"
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that hbo should do another turtles animated series and make it closer to the original comic books.....
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that hbo should do another turtles animated series and make it closer to the original comic books.....
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You gotta be kidding. It's been what, ten years since I've seen it, but I distinctly remember being severely pissed off and embarrassed by the silly thing. Could have merely been the perception of a disaffected 19-year-old, of course, but the comics were hot in my mind and all I knew was the b&w E&L versions--that's all there were then, and I'd been reading them for years. And no offense, if you were only 12 by the time the TMNT saturation was already OVER, you gotta realize we're probably seeing 'em through different eyes. So okay, maybe it merits a rental refresher to be fair... but if it sucks like I remember you owe me $2.50, kid. ;*)
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Got my timeline off. Of course the Archie comix and TV cartoon had already been out. There was that grating movie catchphrase "This Is No Cartoon, Dude!" And so I went into it irrationally hoping for the stuff I loved, but sadly expecting the stuff I loathed. I got the latter.
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Jun 22, 2001 12:34:08 PM CDT
Woo has the potential to kick some major shell here ...
by karma police
Should this actually come to fruition as stated above, it would be very, very cool. But with Woo rumored to be involved in as much stuff as he is (whatever happened to him remaking "The Killer" with Chow Yun-Fat and Nicholas Cage?), and the anticipated completion date (sounds amazingly soon, especially with how long it took Square to do "Final Fantasy") of this thing, it just looks ... I don't know. Off, somehow. Not quite true. I'd be more trusting if it concretely stated that Woo was a producer or something. But if this is right, though, and it does stick to the original, darker intent--this could be one of the weirdest and best things to happen to comic geeks in a while. And here's something else--Woo has become more formulaic and commercial since coming to the U.S., and he's needed some way to break out of the mold he's created for himself. With CG, he'd at least have to think before doing more and more slow motion and his standard visual tricks. I think this could be just what Woo needs, actually--though I would have first thought that this sounds more like a Tim Burton idea.
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Jun 22, 2001 1:05:22 PM CDT
i'll see anything that woo directs! heck even his worst films ar
by mooncake
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what happened to my first post?
to sum up: Burton cool, first TMNT movie good, Transformers movie better! -
This movie can be awesome. If anybody has their doubts and thinks TMNT is cutesy-cutesy, go out and pick up Michael Zulli's storyarch if you wanna know how seriously fucked-up TMNT can be. After you do that, pick up "Shades of Grey" and "City at War", which are the best comics I've ever read, and I've read Miller's Daredevil, Dark Knight Returns, and Allan Moore's Watchmen from cover to cover many times over, and that TMNT storyarch from 48-62 still holds up.
P.S. If they do this, they should definitely mimic Craig Farley's visual portrayal of the characters, and they should also reconsider doing this CGI. The first movie's animatronics are still passable by today standards, and in the year 2002, with the advances in that technology (and alot more money to work with), the look of the characters and the environments around them could be captured perfectly in live-action, and CGI will never surpass the real deal. -
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Jun 22, 2001 11:57:10 PM CDT
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HARRY! APRIL FOOLS IS IN
by ryan mecum
this pains me,
about 6 years ago, i talked up john woo to my friends like he would change the face of hollywood. his asian movies were so good, id buy them through random catalogs at 40 bucks a pop. when i heard he was moving to america, i couldnt hardly wait to see what he did to the landscape of film... and what has he done? face/off, a "best of" john woo's past. thats all we have. not the vandamme flick, that was like a "hire john woo as a director" commercial. not broken arrow, which made me argue all my friends that "the studios must have messed it all up". not mission impossible 2, which i could hardly even sit through (pleeze tell me that tom cruise was truely directing that film, pleeze!). so, all we have is face/off. will windtalkers do it? i hope so, but its too late, ive lost hope. how could a man who directed 4 of the more amazing action films i have ever seen (hard boiled, the killer, bullet in the head, a better tomorrow)not make a film half as good here in the states? and now, "from the director of 'the killer' and 'bullet in the head', john woo brings the world, TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES 3!" and what is argued on this site?! oh, this will be much better than the other mutant ninja stories, much darker and better written... so sad. today, a hero of mine has died, killed by hollywood.
ryan -
I think this has the potential to kcik a lot of ass! I can just imagine the TMNT fighting Foot members with slow motion scenes and whatnot. By the way, I havent read the original comics. Were Bebop and Rocksteady in them? And also, who would you guys suggest for the voices of all the characters?
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Holy shit. I mean really this has got to be the most awesome news ever...a hardcore NINJA TURTLES flick...I don't know what to say. I was raised on the Turtles...I used to watch the cartoon religously, bought the action figures (never got the Technodrome playset!! damnit!!) loved the first two movies (just bought the DVD of the first one!!) and started reading the comics when I got a little older. My friends and I just recently went through a total Turtles nostaligia faze. We bought T-shirts that they sold at Hot Topic, named our little production company "Technodrome Picture" and have been seeking the cartoons at stores. Man this is the coolest news ever...and from a great director like John Woo...man life is worth living again!!!
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Master Kwan, I agree with you that Mike Zulli's Turtles saga absolutely rocked! I loved the real turtle look of the characters. In addition to a tough, gritty, violent, bloody, and dark movie, I want the turtles to actually look like turtles like in Zulli's issues.
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ch'yeah, and monkeys might fly outa my butt...
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Are they still gonna be Turtles in a half shell?
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with all the bucks for movies....can we not come up with something original? Knowing and seeing what you guys write in talkback...you'll probably satisfy with this boredom. I'll save my money for the next brainer that comes by...
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We'll see....
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Here are my choices for the voices for the new TMNT movie:
Hugh Jackman as Leonardo
Roger L. Jackson as Donatello
Tom 'Tiny' Lister Jr. as Raphael
Alec Baldwin as Michaelangelo
Pat Morita as Splinter
Aaliyah as April O'Niell
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Well, it's a good cast...for Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles. Not that older actors can't portray younger characters in voice acting, but, really, if you heard Hugh's or Alec's distinctive voices pouring out of Turtle heads, you'd think these guys were at least in their 30's. Unknowns is the way to go. I think Woo is above raiding the WB shows for talent, so I say unknowns. Hell, I could be Donatello.
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I was going for actors with dark, edgy voices since the comics were dark and edgy, but I see your point.
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Even though he's pushing 30, Corey Feldman will always be Donatello. There's just no two ways about it. But aside from that, I always wondered how in the movies Raphael had that Brooklyn accent and Michaelangelo wound up with the SoCal dialect. Strange.
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PANDEMONIUM, PA; CAPITOL CITY OF HELL--In a historic speech that has come as terrible news to the entire population of Hell, this past Friday the 1st. (according to Shire Reckoning), Lord Astaroth and acclaimed director John Woo made public their decision to make a fourth TMNT movie to be released sometime next year. Locals are outraged as the news have left them in sub-zero temperatures and great flocks of winged pigs have been sighted cruising the poisoned air of the surface. Evil scientists, meteorologists and psychiatrists from all seven levels of Hell have united in a common effort to explain the causes of the bizarre phenomena and are expected to come up with a viable solution within the next 7 to 13 months. Nevertheless, prospects look grim so far. "Prospects look grim so far," declared the team behind the Philadelphia Experiment, while Sigmund Freud speculates that this may all be happening in the feverish mind of one Pippin's Diamond, who according to his research, must have a Ninja Turtle fetish of some kind. However, the most recent studies performed by a team of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy experts of the Third Reich suggest that the answer may actually lie solely in the warped sense of humor of infamous instigator/webmaster Harry Knowles. Should this theory be proven correct in the near future, the most powerful mandataries in Hell are already preparing a sticky seat for him, where he shall repose naked and be forced to watch repeatedly the Scooby Doo movie and its many many sequels featuring Freddie Prinze Jr. for the whole of Eternity. The movies are expected to be re-scored by artist Vanilla Ice of Ninja Rap fame. In the meantime, citizens of Pandemonium and adjacent infernal cities are strongly advised to buy an extra pair of mittens.
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Why CGI...It would be so much cooler to use new animitronic costumes rather than four Jar Jar Binks Ninjas runnin about! CGI ruins some films...this is one of them! Bring back my live action green friends!
P.S. Still happy to hear that they will be "Lean, Green and back on the motherf***ing screen!!!" -
Phew, I finally finished reading all talkbacks and investigating if there was any truth to this at ninjaturtles.com and mikeystmnt.com (go there if you missed the article). First, John Woo isn't directing this because 1. This would be CGI and 2. There is no real deal yet, nothing set in stone. As usual. Man, I don't want to be let down again. I'm a HUGE fan of the TMNT, I have most of the comics (Mirage, Image and even Archie) and when I logged yesterday morning to AICN my heart almost leaped out of my throat. I swear for several minutes I seriously contemplated the possibility that I had died in my sleep the night before and gone to a better place. Then 4 minutes later I figured maybe I was living in an alternate reality. Then I figured maybe I'd finally cracked, which I thought was kind of weird because honestly I don't think of Turtles that much lately, what with the LOTR movies coming out FOR REAL and all... I remember back in '97 being all excited because of the Next Mutation show, only to be awfully disappointed. I hope it doesn't happen again. But I wonder if a TMNT project with only Peter Laird at the helm would work. I mean, the original TMNT were EASTMAN AND LAIRD'S after all. I may remember wrong, but I have the impression that the stories just weren't the same when they didn't combine efforts. Just a thought. Thanks Pallando old buddy for the email, I did get it, I was damn happy to see that you read about this too! It's great to have a fellow LOTR fan who is also a big TMNT fan. Who sez great minds don't think alike? Hah! We have a little discrepancy though, because I can't believe you didn't like the first movie! C'mon! It was good! A reasonable compromise between the books and the toons... I thought it was very well done, the Turtle suits were simply amazing and the film noir look suited it perfectly. Granted, some of the writing and acting isn't the best, but I thought Barron did a good job. IMHO TMNT I is one of the best comic book movies ever. It was not all kiddiefied. Raph did get hurt (I know, I know, it shoulda been Leo, I also know it was Casey's place, not April's, and I know Yoshi killed Nagi, so what?), the Shredder did seem to hit old Splinter pretty hard, I thought that scene where Raph yells (after the ratnapping) was terrific, not to mention the way he's always saying "Damn!", and hey, "Oops!" wasn't bad! Granted, not a beheading, but not bad, either! Goddammit, I watched the movie again yesterday (have all 3 and the Making Of tape), and loved most of it. I still think they should've left the original ending in, though. As a matter of fact, I'd be one happy Hobbit if they only re-released the DVD so that it would include the deleted scenes. I do think movies 2 and 3 were both a big waste of time and money, but they did have their moments. In movie 2 I like when Splinter tells Raph to get off the window and the speech that follows. In movie 3 I liked how Mike had the hots for Mitsu. Kind of a bold move, I thought, even if it came to nothing at the end. Anyway, gosh, it's been so long I haven't talked Turtles that I'm starting to babble. Back to the topic, what the heck does Laird mean by "CGI with a cool twist"? I guess I'll be waiting for the stills of the so-called pilot, which apparently is only a 5 minute long trailer thing. And what, I wonder, would they be basing the movie on? City at War was the last I heard, but seriously, isn't City at War a bit too heavy for a movie? Will Splinter eat a RAT? Will Leonardo say 'I promise'? Is it really that easy, is life really just black and white? Isn't that a lot of ass to kick? Isn't it time we grew up? I'd kill to see that in a live action movie directed by Alex Proyas, but I can't see it in CGI, no matter how "cool" the "twist" is! Which reminds me, I completely agree with hktelemacher, the first movie worked because Henson did a truly magnificent job and made the Turtles REAL. CGI can't even cry convincingly... play the "anger clouds the mind" scene in your mind, but all in CGI. Is it the same? Not at all, you say? Ah well, I really don't care what medium they use, as long as I get some more kick-ass TMNT goodness. Eru knows I'd maim and pillage just to see some new, GOOD Turtle stuff. If they make a movie, I hope they throw in at least a bit of the Return to New York storyline. Yes I've read the Image comics too. I thought the story was reasonably good but I hated the art. Oh, and in the comics April wasn't black, who the heck came up with that one? Maybe they smudged one pint too much ink on the pages of yer comics, buddy. ;-) Well, nam
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Francise that won't die.
I love the original TNMT.
Archie one was *okey* for audience it was set for and it got actually serious and dark believe it or not.
However, its been nearly 20 years since turtles original series was made. Creators have aged and changed their mentality since they made the original comic series.
Even Imagine's verion of the dark TMNT sucked because it was too far out there. Fun was missing, too serious. No Story continuity that was done like a novel.
If IF this movie is actually done, i think it will have some serious challenges to over come.
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How come evertime a movie is mentioned and it sounds good,it takes a long wait to see it. =o_O=
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Wow! Let me tell you this, I was sooo happy when I saw that there was going to be a "harder" movie based on the orginal comics. Then, I came here and there were all of these fellow fans. I find that o-so-cool. I am trying to find the orginal comics, and my local comic store guy has the first four or so. He is charging about $15 and up. Is that alot? eBay is not helping...I would appreciate ANY help. Thanks.RyanAn86@msN.com
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First off guys, the first movie was for all intensive purposes... straight from the comic... well, the graphic novel: book 4 to be exact. A much ass kicking read. Sure things like mask color, and slight changes in who gets what rolls, it was a direct rip from the pages of Eastman and Laird's masterpeice. If you haven't seen Book 4 around... do try and find it, it's sick as sick can be! Now as for this new movie... it'll be interesting to see how it all comes together, I'd like to see CG/live action myself, but whatever I think Woo can pull it off!
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Jun 27, 2001 11:05:42 AM CDT
P's D, I think that clocked in at just under 1,846 combined. Con
by pallando blue
Heh, just kiddin Sra. Took ;^) *** Okay okay OKAY you guys, I'll rent the first damn movie again! I'll cut it some slack, and hope that 11 years of distance and lack of teen angst will allow for a fresh viewing. This news did get me to dig out my old TMNT's so I'll be watching with the orig. story in mind.... BTW, I'm assuming when folx are saying "Book 4" here, they're talking the 4th compilation book E&L released years later, and not the actual ish #4? Which issues did that book comprise? I'll guess I'll find out when I rent the flick. *** To be clearer on what I wrote earlier, this is what I'm fantasizing about for the new movie. Like I said, the first-ever black and white CG feature film. But I DON'T mean photo-realistic, like Final Fantasy, or cartoon-CG-realism like Shrek, or seamless CG-real-world blend like SW or LOTR. I dream of (somehow, don't ask me how, have a very vague idea of this as it is;) a completely three-dimensional, yet hand-drawn-looking CG movie, in black & white & gray pantones. Here, have a puff on this and see if you can see what I see. >pfffft!< I just keep picturing Issue #1, that full page of Raphael crouched on the rooftop ledge, "I love the night..." (or whatever his first line is) and then, panning around behind him...
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It never looks real. It never looks part of the film. Everyone's using CGI nowadays purely for the fact it's there. IT SUCKS! That's not what makes a film good. The Star Wars SFX were great and everything looked part of the film. Then they brought out the Special Edition versions and they sucked! The CGI was shit. It wasn't convincing. Arrrgggghhh!!!! ...anyway. I look forward to TMNT. If it's like the comics and watches like a cross between Hard Boiled and Last Hurrah For Chivalry I'm gonna be interested.
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Nov 03, 2001 4:19:45 PM CST
I love the Turtles but I'm worried about this CGI thing
by crimson dreamsx
CGI can either make a great movie, or a steaming pile of poo. If enough time and effort is put into it, it will make nicely. I saw a few screenshots, and I'm worried. I hope Woo doesn't end up on my bad directors list.
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I am of the age, when the cartoon was great, and me and all my friends had all the toys and seen all the movies, and right now, were at the age when the hard-edge comic style movie would be very much badass.. when you are 5 or 6, the cartoon is really great, but now that were 16-17 the hard-edge cgi would be very successful. The real fans, that grew up with this are the people that are going to want to see this, so if you are like 30+ and wonder why John Woo is messing with it, i'll tell you i think John Woo knows more about what hes doing that you...
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