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Schumacher on Kerouac's ON THE ROAD... Ratner on RED DRAGON... Hanson on EMINEM Biopic... Has the world gone mad'''
Ya know, Harry here... It is too hot, too humid and too damn sad a moment to bitch and moan too much about the following. But Talk Backers... maybe your air con is working better than mine... Time to chew... Ugh...
hey harry.
you might remember me from a few months back when i told you that nicole kidman had dropped off panic room.
just wanted to inform you that brett ratner is definitely attached to direct "red dragon." i know i read it on your site a week or so ago. well i'm just confirming it.
very sad news. to think we live in a world where joel shumacher gets to direct "on the road," ratner gets "red dragon," and then curtis hanson gets an eminem biopic. very sad news, indeed.
you may call me dogmanstar.
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The world has gone to hell. ratner directing Red Dragon? After getting my Fugitive special edition DVD, I would have to say that Andrew Davis would be an great ( if unusual) choice. Why? Think about it, he made Steven Seagal act ( thats an accomplishment unto itself) and he made one of the best action films of the 90's: The Fugitive. Heck, Red Dragon and The Fugitive have a lot in common when you think about it: a man of the law obsessed with finding another that bltantly ( in the case of Hannibal Lecter, not Richard Kimball). Ridly Scott or Jonathan Demme would be the two other perfect choices, but I say Andrew davis is the man ( with Jude Law playing a younger Hannibal). Thats my two cents.
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Oh god please say it aint so!! On the Road is one of my all time favorite books, I just hope to god that Schumacher either does a phenomenal job, unlike most his work, or that it is so dismal that no one ever hears about it. Woe is me, woe is me...
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My knowledge has exponentially increased from this article!
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You know, back in the 70s prestige directors did pop/rock star showcases all the time. And we should give Ratner the benefit of the doubt, given the greatness of the "Red Dragon" script. As for Joel S., well, he's coming off "Tigerland" and "Phone Booth" (which is a cool concept), so we should just wait and see.
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Jun 11, 2001 3:52:55 PM CDT
A Vanilla Ice biopic would be a LOT cooler than lousy ass eminem
by dirty_bird
If they make an eminem biopic THAT would be a movie Fred Durst could make, the project would already be fucked up anyway.
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No, I definitely think Garry Marshall should get to make "Red Dragon," with Hector Elizando as Hannibal Lecter and Dan Aykroyd as Will Graham. I would love to go to the multiplex and see it alongside Jane Campion's "Terminator 3," Joel Schumacher's musical vision of "Catcher in the Rye" and Michael Bay's "Indiana Jones IV."
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Remember Albert Brooks' speech about the devil? How the devil won't be a guy in a red suit with horns. He'll be a nice-loking guy everyone likes and he will little-by-little, surreptitiously lower our standards until... Well, it think he meant to say until we all live in Hell. News like the above is evidence. The devil ain't just one guy. The devil is the slow systematic lowering of standards until we get things like the MTV movie awards, Michael Bay movies, dreck like Shrek being taken serously (personal opinoin, I know everyone loves it). It's B.S. like Eminem being looked at as 'the voice of his generation', it's Destiny's Child's collected works, it's Dennis Rodman, it's basically the whole ugly stupid ignorance-worshipping parade of total meaningless SHIT that comprises our so-called culture. Remember folks, the first word in culture is CULT. We are now mired in the cult of advertising, of hype, of low standards, and shit-ass awful product.
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All you Hopkins-lemmings out there will be singing a different tune when that piece of shit Red Dragon hits screens. Silence of the Lambs is one of the most overrated movies of the decade and Hopkins (while good) gave a hammy performance that cannot equal Brian Cox.
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The only person who can play Hannibal in Red Dragon is ANTHONY HOPKINS. Just use makeup to make him younger, I will NOT see it without him in it and nobody give me this, "Oh that ass Dirty Bird will see it with the rest of us on opening weekend" bullshit, because I won't.
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Didn't Michael Mann already make a film version of Red Dragon, called Manhunter? I haven't seen it, and I know it wasn't a blockbuster or anything, without any huge stars, but we're sadly mistaken if we think stars are what make a movie. Anyway, I love Mann's work (Heat) and I heard Manhunter was pretty f-ing good. Why make another? (I mean, besides to capitalize on the Hannibal Lecter name.) This is like remaking Silence of the Lambs, only with Brad Pitt as Lecter and Angelina Jolie as Clarice. Someone help me out.
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Great movie that would've been even better had it ended with Holly Hunter in the cab but anyway... As for this other news, it's too damn depressing for me to even comment on. Oh intelligence, where art thou???
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Am I the only one looking forward to Curtis Hanson's Eminem film? While I don't give Eminem's music or public persona a second thought (or a first one for that matter) I dig Curtis Hanson's films. I don't expect him to make a movie glorifying a near brain dead moron who happens to rhyme and bend meters over music produced by someone else. I do expect Hanson to make a film about an angry and apparently aimless man who seems bent on wasting everything fortune has offered him (a music career and $$$) through self-destructive behavior - how many times has he been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon? what reason could he possibly have to carry a gun? (none) despite any legitament reasons to dsilike his wife and mother, why does he go out of his way to estrange himself from his daughter? Forget the first amendment bullshit that Hollywood loves to trumpet every couple of years, the real story here is where the stupid, conflicted, and arrogant (all traits that can make great characters) man named Eminem will end up taking himself. Personally, I don't expect the real life ending to be pretty. I also expect the film version to be better.
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Jun 11, 2001 4:30:40 PM CDT
Not Without My F%$# F$&# SH*@S#!!!!!: The Marshall Mathers Story
by markmarcmark
As much as I like Curtis Hanson, and have a bit of respect for what Eminem does (I don't like his music, but he at least is smart enough to use the first amendment to its fullest extent), doesn't he seem a little... I don't know, young to have a biopic about him? Seems like a bit of a lack of foresight to assume that he doesn't have much more living to do before his life becomes worthy of material?
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Jun 11, 2001 4:39:38 PM CDT
This reminds me of the day I heard Gus Van Sant was remaking Psy
by otis von zipper
No, it's not that bad I guess. Schumacher could do a nice job with On the Road. The Hanson/Eminem project could be something worthwhile. BUT the Ratner Red Dragon project will most likely be nowhere near the quality film Manhunter is. I think some fans of the book were disappointed in it, and that Lechter has a much larger role than in the Mann film (about 10 minutes in Manhunter). Whatever. Manhunter is a great movie. Somebody mentioned Andrew Davis as a director for Red Dragon. HUH? Davis is terrible. I don't know how The Fugitive ended up as good as it is, because all his other movies are weak weak weak. Chain Reaction, Perfect Murder, Steal Little. Ratner is a better choice than Davis.
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Jun 11, 2001 4:42:20 PM CDT
Letter to George Lucas: Don't bother with any more of the "Star
by uncapie
You're wasting your time and money, George. With the CGI technology the way it is now, think of the possibilities..."You will believe a duck can fly."
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WTF has Brett Ratner ever done to justify EVEN BEING CONSIDERED, much less get the nod for a project such as Red Dragon? Rush Hour one and two? The Family Man? Christ...I would love to get my hands on whatever they were smoking in that development meeting.
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I wasn't referring to Hopkins. I don't actually think about the Silence of the Lambs and it's awful sequel. I don't give a shit about Rattboy directing Red Dragon. I was referring to the Schumacher thing and the Eminem thing. understand? Ass.
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I would want to see a remade Howard!
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All your whining about Ratner directing Red Dragon is tiresome. You geeks can't seem to understand that a good director could possibly be versatile. Ratner is not a bad director, and you could certainly do worse. You shouldn't pigeonhole a guy because of one particular movie he has made. If that were the case, where would Sam Raimi be? None of you could imagine him directing A Simple Plan until he did. That was a terrific movie, and he did a fine job with it. In fact, the tone of that film is closer to that of Red Dragon than it is Evil Dead. If Raimi can do it, why can't Ratner? You armchair movie dweebs should sit back and wait for it to suck before getting all hissy.
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Jun 11, 2001 5:24:05 PM CDT
I'm all for a director having control of a movie and going with
by milktoast
but is there any possible way that fans can get Bret Ratner DETACHED from Red Dragon? Some sort of letter writing thing. This is a studio uncaring for something that a great many fans do care about and a director making a career move (I wish him only good but I doubt he can rise to the occasion here and make a really good film out of Red Dragon...what it can be). Hopkins should exercise his clout to get some other director. That Andrew Davis suggestion wasn't bad.
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Obviously Curtis Hanson saw something in Eminem's life story that he jumped at the chance right away without much thought. The bio pic might turn out to be a masterpiece, because people who dislike or hate Eminem are ones who have never listened to his music or have, but just think it's all misogyny. I definitly would want to see a movie about Eminem and find out how this dude went from white trash loser to the icon as a crossover superstar. And anyone who raps about killing his wife and raping and murdering his own mother has GOT to have an interesting story behind him. I'm lookinf forward to this project and I'm sure all of you are too. Don't pretend like you're not interested when you really are. Be real.
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You morons place Curtis Hanson (LA CONFIDENTIAL, WONDER BOYS) in the same league as Joel ("Batman has a bigger codpiece") Shumacher and Bret "Rush Hour/Family Man" Ratner?!!! What the fuck are you guys smoking? We fanboys know talent when we see it, regardless of the genres the directors work in, and I know that Schumacher and Ratner are talentless, regardless of what GENRE they work in. Anyone could have directed RUSH HOUR (its a generic buddy action/comedy) and anyone could have directed FLAWLESS or BATMAN AND ROBIN or LOST BOYS or FLATLINERS or whatever the fuck else Schumacher shot. But not anyone could have directed LA CONFIDENTIAL the way Curtis Hansen did. Someone mentioned Sam Raimi who broke out of the EVIL DEAD genre and eventually made A SIMPLE PLAN and some other good films. But with Sam Raimi, we knew, as soon as the kinetic EVIL DEAD and its sequel jumped off the screen in the early 80s that the guy had massive talent. The same cannot be said for Schumacher and Ratner.
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Jun 11, 2001 5:39:10 PM CDT
I hear Jon Turtletaub is considering a remake of A Clockwork Ora
by batutta
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Jun 11, 2001 5:39:29 PM CDT
i hear the four horsemen, but I can't see those bastards yet
by dexter cornell
Rattner. Fucking Rattner. What the hell is going on? Did I miss the end of the world meeting? Red Dragon is a great book, and I'm taking heed that the script is just as good if not better. Now, I love Manhunter, and I would love to see the movie remade and brought up to date, but not with this dumb shit. I wonder if Chris Tucker can play the tooth fairy and we can get Jackie Chan for Will, Jackie wants to be a real actor, let him prove it. Just picture it, Jackie could re-do the plate glass window shot of Manhunter wonderfully, with some kind of chop-socky bullshit. Oh yea, and Eminem, what is he, 15? I wanna know when we will finally stop being TEASED and get the Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake story. Maybe they could put those two on an oceanliner deep in the Northern Atlantic, when an iceburg hits and........
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Take a look at the content each director is paired with. Ratner = Red Dragon. Schumacher = On the Road. Hanson = Eminem. The point is, the one GOOD director is paired with the weakest content. He is not being grouped with other two directly. Don't be so hasty in your judgment.
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the mondo movies series "Thugs On Film" review of "Pearl Harbor"?...at the end of the review, they see a movie poster for Bruckheimer/Bay's "King Lear" starring Martin Lawrence and Michelle Yeoh...uh...ha ha...
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Oh what a sad day this is to hear that news. I thought Frances Ford Copalla was conected to ON The Road. He would do a far better job. Next thing you know we will find out Chris O'Donell is attached. Fuck Me!
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Jun 11, 2001 7:22:27 PM CDT
Hey, I've got a good idea (or as Ratner would say, "Yo, my homey
by user id indeed!
Let's stick Ratner in an old house with a blind girl, a loaded gun, and Joel Shumacher tied up and gagged next to him. Ratner tells the girl that there's a key around his neck, and he's going to set fire to the... aw, screw it, let's just run him over. Then the obituaries can say he was killed by the very thing that made him famous... snicker snicker... RUSH HOUR!!! HA HAAAA! Hee heee! Hey, uh, ya got any gum? Ha haaaaa! Also, I can see how people would say Cix was a better Dr. Lecter than Hopkins, especially if by "better" they mean "worse". C'mon, people, Cox looked like he was bored as hell. He didn't care about the character or what it meant, he was just eager for the take to get over with so he could go sniff some ether. He regrets not continuing the Lecter role only because of the money. And he was in "Chain Reaction", so, yeah, he's kind of... stupid? That's the word. At least "Hopkins Lemmings" have a reason to follow him. "Cox Lemmings" would only have "Glimmer Man" and British cartoons to go on. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! And personally, I see no reason for this hoopla over an M'nMs biopic, so long as they have that wacky Yellow one and they get Jon Lovitz back as the voice of the little red guy.
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I haven't seen all of Schumacher's films, but he surely fucked up Batman and he nearly sank Andrew Kevin Walker's 8MM script. So now he's taking on Kerouac? I know there are homosexual theories etc. to the Kerouac/Cassady relationship but that can't conveyed in a series of dutched ass shots. I didn't think the Kerouac estate would give On the Road to a glossy Hollywood director like Schumacher. On the Road needs a more earthy/indie feel than Schumacher's everything neon approach. If Schumacher does do this, he has to go all the way and get his Lost Boys back -- Corey Haim and Corey Feldman as Sal and Dean.
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Maybe it's just me, but this whole eminem backlash is so fucking tiresome. So people buy this guys records, and he becomes "pop", so therefore he must be a no talent hack? eminem is a terrific lyricist, sure there have been better, but he's by no means un-talented. would you be happier if Hanson were doing some underground no-name rapper biopic? of course then "m.c. nobody" would become popular aka "pop" and then you internet fucks would have to hate the movie in retrospect. my opinion: hanson SHOULD make this Eminem biopic, but it might win some awards if he'd wait and make it 5 years after Em's death (you know it's bound to happen sooner or later), and make sure the title does not include the words "eminem, angry, white" or "boy". also hanson should do a hanson biopic. if only so there could be a teaser poster up in theaters with three blonde shillouetes and the word "hanson" in big letters on the top, and then in big letters "hanson" on the bottom.
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I read an article, a couple of weeks ago in the Montreal Gazette, sayin how Jerry Bruckheimer wanted to remaake Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon w/Tom Cruise and Angelina Jolie. I wonder if it meant anything......
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Schumacher/Ratner = who cares? The guy who compared Ratner to Raimi (Ratner's brother?) forgets that Raimi made movies we liked before A Simple Plan, not to mention that a Simple Plan was good. No reason to get upset about that. Ratner, on the other hand, only makes crap. I really hope Ratner's movie tanks. I just can't believe Anthony Hopkins would work with a guy who, incidentally, can barely string a sentence together. As for Hanson/Emminem, remember that Hanson is first and foremost a MOVIE FANATIC. So...you always have to think of what earlier movies he has in mind. I think he'll approach the Emminem movie as the modern Rebel Without a Cause. However, the problem I see here is that Hanson praised Emminem in the announcement of this deal. As a result, I get the feeling this might wind up being a "Private Parts"-like puff piece, that falsely percieves itself as objective docudrama.
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I hear ya man, but Hansen wanted the Eminem biopic and he got it. Whereas Ratner and Schumacher were encouraged by the studios to take on RED DRAGON and ON THE ROAD. There seems to be a vicious Michael Bay, Joel Schumacher, Bret Ratner circle going on now. I mean they offer THE PHONE BOOTH to Michael Bay, he wants to set some of the movie OUTSIDE the fucking phone booth, so they give it to Joel Schumacher. MGM wants to reenergize the Bond franchise and Americanize it and they get into a war of nerves with the EON people in London about the future of Bond, wanting Bret Ratner to direct the next one while the Bond people want Michael Apted. In the meantime, MGM which owns RED DRAGON throws a bone to Ratner, asking him to direct. What in the hell is wrong with Hollywood?!! I simply cannot understand how shitty directors, who have had a "hip" hit or two, get the best "commercial" or "crowd-pleasing" material while the talented solid ones (Peter Weir, John Mingella, Terry Gilliam, Gus Van Sant, Francis Ford Coppola etc etc)have to develop their own projects. Why don't the idiots in Hollywood just hand over these properties to Michael Winner, Sidney J. Furie, J. Lee Thompson and the other sclockmeisters out there? Surely, they wouldn't be worse than Joel Schumacher and they certainly would be a shitload cheaper. The end result would look the same anyway.
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Shit, respect Joel Schmacher (spelling?) because he wrote the script to "Car Wash," so he's got some good sense of creativity in himself. Understand that he's a part of a system which makes a lot of crap movies, so at least he's doing his best to be an individual filmmaker, instead of a number. As far as Curtis Hanson making the white boy movie, I'd be interested, just as long as it doesn't just include gangsta rap (more underground shit).
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Schumacher is as good a place as any. All I need to say is Batman and Robin. Thank You Darren Aronofsky for trying to save the garbage that the Batman series has become. Second, Ratner won't even sniff the success Mann had with Manhunter (I'm not talking cash here, because I'm not sure Manhunter made ten cents). If it wasn't for the last action sequence and all those damn jump cuts I'd make Manhunter one of my 10 favorites. I will admit it is somewhat dated looking now (I swear I saw Crockett walk out of one of those police cars). And finally Eminem, whether you are offended by his lyrics or not, is an interesting MUSICIAN. His life story should make for interesting watching. I agree with some of the other talkbackers that he might be young for a biopic, but at least this way we'll probably (barring unforeseen violence)get to see how he reacts to the film when it hits the streets. Peace Out
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I always liked Pauline Kael's comment in the new yorker when Joel S.'s first film (whatever the hell it was) (as a screenwriter, I think, not a director, not yet anyway, that horror was, apparently, years away) was released. She commented that he had started his film career as a costumer & that, although, she had long disliked his costume designs for various films, she wished, for the good of the filmgoing public, that he would put down his pen & pick up his sewing needle. Oh yeah. Pauline! The man is a hack, even Tigerland was not really THAT great, it just mostly wasn't so outrageously awful like, um, let's see, 8MM, what a fucking masterpiece, that. But hey people please (here comes some heresy) ON THE ROAD is a bit wheezy too. Of course it's iconic, mythological, classic even, for its mood & tone, but the WRITING itself is no fucking prize, g'head, try to read it if you're OVER 30 (LOL) so who knows, maybe Joel WILL get it right..... Hannibal Schmannibal. Who cares who directs the next Hannibal franchise? Silence of the Lambs was overheated B-material, fun, scary, slick but nothing profound. You want GREAT movie evil? You want to try that instead, of, perhaps, mug-for-the-camera evil? How about Ralph Fiennes in Schlinder's List, Edward Fox in the Day of the Jackal, Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs, Cruella DeVille for CRISSAKES. I like Hopkins, I mean jesus, Remains of the Day, hello, that was a stunning performance, but I always though it was so funny he got his greatest recognition from a role that is essentially a cartoon.... And oh yeah Curtis Hanson. have you READ either LA Confidential or Wonder Boys? I have. (Wonder Boys is BRILLIANT by the way, as is chabon's new novel, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay) These books were, really, honestly, unfilmable. Too dense, too convoluted, too wordy, too dependent on their prose & style to easily translate into another medium. Read them. You'll see. and yet in both films Hanson (and God bless him, his screenwriters, especially Steven Kloves on Wonder Boys) gets everything EXACTLY RIGHT. No I am not kidding. EXACTLY RIGHT..... ahhhhhhhh I so love having an opinion, and I so love reading these posts that I thought I'd do one myself. It's my first one, a virgin post. Good start? What do you think. LOLOLOLOLOL. OKbye.
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Emenenema fights the Hanson Brothers and loses. Sure, just like the Bee Gees beat up Aerosmith in "Sgt. Pepper." They would have got the shit kicked out of them.
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sorry about the double post...need to watch that enter button. Anyway, let me start off by weighing in on the "is Manhunter a good movie" thing. I agree with whoever said that without the crap at the end it'd be one of my all time favorites. That being said, on to the bitching...what the hell are they thinking, doing a biopic on eminem? Why can't they do one on someone who deserves it. Someone who has influenced many of the current "stars" of the music scene. One who launched a whole genre. Where's the biopic on JOEY RAMONE?!?!?!?!?!
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Jun 12, 2001 1:47:52 AM CDT
Ridley Scott was a HORRIBLE choice for HANNIBAL too ...
by godoffireinhell
... but fuck if you all did not go into full jerk-off mode when he signed on to direct. The resulting film was a somewhat funny but utterly forgetable piece of crap. RED DRAGON has a wonderful script. RED DRAGON was a wonderful novel. The film will most likely suck as all hell (especially if Nic Cage gets the Job). And Joel Schumacher, the
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So far he's made Money Talks with Charlie Sheen and Chris Tucker...Rush Hour and its sequel...and The Family Man. Whilst I'm not going to write it off, I think its understandable that people are upset that a classic like Red Dragon has been handed to a director who so far has been so relentlessly average! Has Nic Cage insisted on him after they worked together on The Family man I wonder? Oh fuck it, I am going to write it off - with Cage and Ratner, its sure to be shit.
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Okay, I'll admit all this is pretty weird, but here are some thoughts. On Schumacher, I actually belong to the minority that believes he is a pretty good director as long as no superheros are involved. His two Batman movies ("Forever" was actually worse than "Batman and Robin") were a huge pile of crap but he is also the guy that directed pretty solid stuff, like "Falling Down" and "Tigerland". It could work out. My guess is that he is too eager to please studio heads and gave in to pressure to make the films more juvenile and basically commercials for the toys, while in other smaller projects he's had free reign and the results had more integrity.
On Rattner, I'll admit that he is the last person I would envision as the director of "Red Dragon". I'm highly sceptical and have a bad feeling about this. Then again, his other films were not bad for the no-brainer fluff they were supposed to be, so who knows? If the script's that good as people say, it could work out. As someone else said, let's not pigeonhole the guy because he's only done inoffensive comedies so far. we'll just have to wait and see.
Now, as far as "Red Dragon" in general is concerned. I think the movie is doomed without Hopkins. He is the whole reason for remaking the damn thing! (Yes, I'm with those that prefer him over Cox. All Cox did was look bored and gaze with his mouth gapping. Everyone saying that he was better is just trying to appear more hip by being controversial) As for Will Graham? I think Russel Crowe would be perfect. -
Manhunter was a pretty good flick (I've watched it twice since I got the DVD) but it does take some departures from the book it is based. Hanibal Lecheter is almost a minor role in Manhunter, where as in Red Dragon (The novel)he is clearly a major character. It seems the Red Dragon script is closer to the book than Manhunter.
I liked Brian Cox in Manhunter, but anyone that says he was better than Anthony Hopkins I respectablty disagree with. Really, they shouldn't even be compared as they are two totally different performaces. Hopkins had the luxury of being the central chracter, where as Cox wasn't even the main villain. Anyway, lets hope "Red Dragon" is a good flick and I'll be able to put it with my Manhunter, Silence of the Lamb and Hannibal DVD's -
Two notes on the Eminem situation:
1) Don't forget that while Hanson has doe wonderful work on his last two films he also did the "Cradle Roaks" as well as "River Wild". I remember when "LA Conf." turned out so well everyone was shocked.
2) Actually an Eminem biopic could be a perfect opportunity to examine several things- Cracker Culture in Amercia, the first time a black producer took a white protege and did to him what white producer's did to guys like Bo Diddly, and angry middle class white boys who live in the richest country in the world- have the highest standard of living i the world- yet still seem to find something to be pissed at.
One note about "On the Road":
1) Unfilmable. Like "Catcher in the Rye", "as I Lay Dying", and "Gypsy's Curse".
Two notes on "Red Dragon":
1) Who gives a fart flying cock sucking shit.
2) Thomas Harris (A good writer) has already taken Hanibal into the world of grand parody- probably on purpose. Leave it at that.
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Look, someone made this point already, but listen - Curtis Hanson has basically directed quality films - and after doing Wonder Boys and LA Confidential, I doubt he would jeopardize his reputation by doing a promo piece for Eminem. If he chose this project it is because he sees something in it that interests him. Also, while it may be based on Eminem, there is reason to neccessarily think that it will be ABOUT Eminem - it might take his story and turn it into a fictional account of a white kid, growing up poor, with as much street cred as a black rapper, but who has to face the reverse discrimination of being a white-boy rapper (that reverse discrimination is evident on all the message boards here on AICN that have dealt with this proposed picture). Personally, I imagine such a movie could be fascinating.
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i mean, really. after making an entire album about himself, now they're going to make a movie that's going to be as fake as he is. Aren't there more noteworthy MUSICIANS to make a movie about? eminem's a joke. detroit rappers have been doing what he does for years, and how and why this little shit got as big as he did is a mystery to us all. I guess it's cause he's marketable to all the little suburban kids that buy into his bullshit hard ass image. Would eminem be this popular if he was black? Nope.
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"We fanboys know talent when we see it..." Please. You losers still think Mallrats was a good movie.
The problem with geekboys is that they make up their minds whose movies they will like or dislike ahead of time. You forgive shit from Kevin Smith because he wrote some clever dialogue referencing Star Wars back in Clerks, and now he can do no wrong... and you automatically denounce the work of others because of something you didn't like. The world isn't black and white... remember? Shades of grey.
I can't argue for Schumacher... the guy is a hack, no matter what.
As for Raimi and "he made great films before Simple Plan" I have only one word: Darkman. That movie sucked human ass, and if you plan to defend it I suggest you move out of your parents' basement first, and get a job that doesn't involve the local Blockbuster.
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Ok how's this: I'm REALLY not interested in Eminem. I've heard his music. To me it's talking loud and saying nothing. No, I don't respect him or what he does. I'm completely indifferent. He is not even worthy of contempt. Go ahead make a movie, make more albums, I'll just change the channel.
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REVERSE DISCRIMINATION: The point is that Eminem is an interesting study because he is white. He has as much credibility as any rapper and is not some white-suburb boy marketing creation. That he has become so popular is an indictment of white American society, not of Eminem. Lets put it this way, if he were black, people like magic_ninja would not have such hatred for him - he would just be another shitty rapper. But because he is white, al lof a suddenm he polarizes people. I don't really like his music all that much, preferring the likes of Automator, Deltron 3030 and Ugly Duckling - but he's not all that bad in my eyes. Anyway, my point is that making a movie about a black rapper making it in the black rap industry is not nearly as interesting as a story about Eminem.......................ON FANBOYS - Couldn't agree more with SPONGE.com - Fanboys are not the ideal group to judge film productions. For one, they are about 1% of the movie-going population - I used to be like all of you, until I realized something - there are lots of people out there who love crap - they LOVE IT!! - Its not just that they "don't have access" to better movies or are "slaves to the media" - they just simply don't want to be challenged by a movie. I took a friend to see memento - they hated it - why? - "too hard to follow". Get used to it - you who have made film "knowledge" (note - not appreciation) your all-consuming objective. Ask yourselves whether it is film that you love or is it the desire to have "special knowledge" to make you feel important. I have been there - always trying to impress people with the little details I knew about a film - or how when Fargo became such a huge hit and I would tell people "oh, you should see Blood Simple" and they said "huh?". I remember how that felt - but the point is that these exercises kill the joy of film. So often I hear people accusing reviewers on this site of having "stupid" opinions and not understanding how a reviewer could appreciate a move that they hated. Get over it. In the immortal words of Don McKellar "Its only a movie. Enjoy the movie".
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Am I so monumentally naive that I am just now hearing about this unfortunate news that is making me oh so sad? On the Road, one of my all time favorite books, a book that I think could've made an exceptionally good movie is now going to be turned to caca by one of Hollywood's worst director's, Joel Schmutzmaker. Please someone wake me from this nightmare and tell me it ain't so. Scorcese would be perfect, Copola would be cool, Oliver Stone would be grand. What about Soeterberg (sp), Ridley Scott? And I even could think of some average everyday film makers who would do a decent enough job at it. Too numerous to name. Anyone would be so much better than Joel Schumaker. This is downright insulting. Who does Hollywood think we are? Dumn asses? Anyone who has read On the Road and has seen any of Joey-boy's film credits WILL NOT go see this movie. NOoo way, no how. Think again on this one Hollywood. This film will not make you squat with such candy-ass insights of what constitutes art in the film community. No. This can't be true. Please someone say this is just a rumor.
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Jun 12, 2001 12:27:14 PM CDT
"Why Am I Famous: The Emnimum Story", plus "darkman" rebuttal
by renonevada2000
First off, I don't care about Eminem (or however you spell it) as a Rap artist. With a few exceptions of some old school rap (We're talking late 70s, early 80s here) I have never cared much for the genre. Would I go see a film based on this guy's ,fairly short so far, life? Probably. Remember a lot of people thought Ivan Reitman was nuts for wanting to make Howard Stern's book "Private Parts" into a movie, but that turned out to be a pretty good film. (Though I'll admit it's hard to watch in the aftermath of Stern's separation from his wife last year.) Now than, SPONGE.com- Let me school you on something and that is this- Sam Raimi's "Darkman" is one fine film- Part "Phantom of the Opera" with elements of the pulp heroes like the Shadow and the Avenger. (In fact, when the Shadow was announced I thought Raimi would have been the better choice than the Highlander guy.) It's got a good solid script that combines tragedy, adventure, romance and some dark comedy. If you didn't get choked up at the end when he walks away from the love of his life, than, you sir, have a Grinchy heart, three sizes too small. With some hindsight now, you can see the probably visual direction he might be using for "Spiderman". And by the way, I haven't lived with parents since I left college a year ago, I don't work for a video store and have no trouble with the ladies.
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Isn't it just 'discrimination'. Reverse discrimination would indicate the refusal to discriminate. Or the act of discriminating backwards. But if you take it to mean backwards what does that mean? I know people like to think that if you discriminate against a black person it's discrimination and that if you're black and you discriminate against a white person, it's REVERSE discrimination. But that's not true. "Reverse discrimination" is a non sequitor. It's all discrimination. I don't dislike Eminem because of the violence against women in his work, and I have no problem with a white kid playin' a black man's game. The thing I don't like about him is his pants.
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I don;t really like the term - but it was the best thing I could think of - basically, it is discrimination not because he is white, but because he is a white man doing something that is traditionally associated with black society. Since I am not willing to say that white people are discriminated against in the United States (since it just aint true), then how can I say that Eminem is the victim of discrimination - the idea is that if he were black (and hence discriminated against), then he wouldn;t face these criticisms....OK OK - its just a glib way of expressing a rther complicated concept.
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Jun 12, 2001 1:01:00 PM CDT
The Ten Commandments 2002: This Time It's Personal!... a film by
by psyclops
What is the world coming to?
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On the Road should not be made into a movie.It's a great book.B Holywood should keep it's moronic hands off it. It will be dumbed down and commericalized.(My spelling sucks product of the N.Y.C. Board of Ed)
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Thought this was an appropriate place for this tidbit. According to popcorn.co.uk, John Landis has emerged as a possible director for the next Bond film. Most likely this is total crap, but it is so absurd, there just may be some truth to it. Maybe he'll get Tom Arnold to play 007.
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Schumacher's "On the Road" is just the start. Next up is "Michael Bay's A La Recherche De Temps Perdu". Then we've got the Bruckheimer production of Wittgenstein's "Tractatus.." closely followed by Stephen Sommers' "Finnegan's Wake." Christmas blockbuster is Spielberg's sentimental take on Burroughs' "The Wild Boys". Exciting times in tinsel town indeed.
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Raimi's Evil Dead Trilogy is genius. I love all three films with an edge going to Evil Dead 2. The cross between horror and slapstick comedy is marvelous. You can't tell me it wasn't funny when Bruce Campbell was wrestling with his hand. Just for those three films Raimi will always be a great director to me. I can't wait for Spidey. On an aside, I agree with whoever posted that a lot of the moviegoing audience ENJOYS crap. All we're posting here are our opinions and there's no good reason why WE are so much more important than THEY. That being said, if you can back up your opinion go right ahead and say it. Adios
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cause he's a fake. a big ol fake. for someone who don't give a damn about a grammy it sure was convienient of him to have an acceptance speech ready, ain't it?
he's such a hard ass, that's why they put him on the cover of Teen People. this movie is gonna suck big time. Eminem sucks and anyone who disagrees with me can kiss my ass. -
Not that it matters,
many of his films have homoerotic undertones, so I was curious. -
Jun 13, 2001 6:32:49 AM CDT
For the love of literature...no On the Road movie unless Copolla
by superchunk
Francis Ford Copolla was the original director interested in On the Road before Schumacker(sp) got his wyrm tainted hands on it. Since we're on the subject of Beat literature, when can we see Buschemi star as Burroughs in Junky? Hey James Grahnholz listen up!
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Can you imagine what this board would look like had Anderson established his reputation prior to Boogie Nights, and then cast Marky Mark? Now, few people complain when Mr. Wahlberg gets cast with a major director. Whether or not you like his music, Eminem is inarguably a better MC than Marky Mark, and if Marky got a shot at it, so should he. He may surprise you.
As for the biopic aspect, while it's not a masterpiece I know a lot of people who don't particularly care for Prince's music who enjoyed Purple Rain, so why not? Hanson has proven himself, so let's trust his judgment until he gives us a reason to do otherwise (and by reason, I mean a bad film, not an iffy concept).
As for Red Dragon, I think it's a terrible idea no matter who's directing it, but I know I enjoyed Rush Hour a heck of a lot more than I enjoyed Hannibal, and lots of good directors got their start doing popcorn (including Silence director Demme) so perhaps slamming this guy is a bit of a rush to judgment?
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we could let kong kong take it from here
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