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Anthony Daniels talks STAR WARS EPISODE 2
Hey folks, Harry Knowles here, human geek knowledge recepticle, at your service with a look from Clint at Anthony Daniels and his thoughts and responses about working on EPISODE 2 thus far... Also, at San Diego Comic Con this year there will be a gigantic presentation, including what seems to be hinted at footage from EPISODE 2. Spies... do your duty to geek kind everywhere...
C3P0 himself, Anthony Daniels, landed back in Australia this afternoon and I grabbed an interview with him. Talked mainly about STAR WARS EP II, and I Thought you would like to use some of the goss he spilled out;
Im attaching the word document version of the interview in this email (moviehole will run it soon); but below are the highlights of the chat:
Anthony, hows the cast?
The Cast of “Episode II” are great. Hayden Christensen is very good. He is going to have a huge career after this. Now that it’s Digital, We watch shots of filming straight after on a 3 Foot Screen. The Rushes, and Hayden is great. Hypnotic. I mean he’s the boy growing into that odd man (Vader). We start to see some of the problems in Ep II.
Ep II lowdown :
It will become known in Ep III though, that he is Vader. Out of all the Australians involved (and yes they do all have American accents), Joel Edgerton, the young 21 year old is great. I mean I knew his character (Owen) as a 65 year old. Edgerton walked up to me on set and said I remember watching you as a child, and I said to him I remember you as a 65 year old.
3P0 is more involved in II. I actually control the puppetry of the character in the next one. I control his walking. I work out every morning at the Gym, because Im holding this big Albatross. Im the puppetmaster – scary, very scary.It’s essentially the same costume as first time. It’s the old ones, painted. Justin Dicks, an Aussie guy did it. It’s a new look – I look like a walking scrap heap, because Im made of old scrap. It looks the best though.
R2D2 details?
With 3P0’s bigger role in EpII, comes R2D2 as well. R2 is brilliant in this one. Don Bies controls him. The motives etc are great. I mean with R2, I am Ten Feet away, and there Don is with his control panel, behind something.
Yoda details? Yoda? As for Yoda flying through the air as a Jedi?
Hmmm, does he? (lol) We’ll we definetly see a Meaner side of Yoda this time around. He gets up, and while you may laugh at that – that’s a big shot. ILM shot scenes of 3P0 getting up and back into a chair, but I think we are going to cut it. It takes so much. Think about it, we never actually see 3P0 sitting down and sitting up. The magic of cinema. We think we do, but we don’t.
Ep II Title?
George hasn’t decided on the title yet. I mean when he chose Phantom Menace, everyone thought it was crap. But it seems to have worked. I mean, Cliched, but it worked.
Sequels to originals?
Hmm, well I was thinking. George will be like 60 when we start shooting Ep III. I mean he’s not going to live forever, no matter what the fans think. And they really are a killer to make these movies, just ask producer Rick MacCallum. But then again, we’ll see, if people start begging for more, demanding more…they just may.
What's left?
I think the only thing left to do for me with STAR WARS EP II is to put some voice overs back on.
MOVIEHOLE will be running the full interview soon
Clint - www.moviehole.20m.com
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Just covering my ass in case I'm tenth by now.
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I don't care about the fanboys and losers and geeks bitching, Ep. II will be better than most of the crap coming on screen this year AND next year.
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Jun 07, 2001 4:29:13 AM CDT
Lucas should step aside and let someone else take over creativel
by kyle.reese
That's what I think anyway.
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"Sense much beer in you I can. Beer leads to hangovers, hangovers lead to suffering......"
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Jun 07, 2001 4:39:45 AM CDT
Let Me Sum Up the Talkback for EP 2 before you tards start spinn
by hughgrection
George Lucas sucks, hes a hack, he only cares about more money, he cant write anymore, Matrix 2 3 will rule and EP 2 will suck,LOTR is gonna kick star wars ass, kill jar jar blah blah blah etc etc. Seeing how every talkback degenerates into these things I might as well get them out of the way. Oh yeh AYBABTU!!!! biatch
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First off, I seen Episode1 12 times when in was in theatres. I am not looking forward to seeing a 80-year old Sith Lord and a 10 to 12-year Boba Fett or "Baby Fett". Seeing Slave-1 again is unnecessary also. If Sequels were made Lucas would probably make it as a "Thirty Something" drama-comedy where the kids of Luke, Han and Leia, and Boba would try to overcome life's obstacles such as huffing airplane glue while their parents swapped partners and fucked each other.
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saying that Darth Vader is a "grumpy old bastard". I suppose that's a way of describing him.
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I soooooooo sorry for insulting your delicate sensibilities by leaving a FIRST posting. SHUT YER HOLE, ITS A JOKE!!!!!.
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I always thought 3P0 was the 'Most annoying character in the Star Wars universe' until Jar Jar came along and took that title from him.
I fear 3P0 is back with a vengeance to win back that title.
Goddammit it all to hell....... -
I know this is completely off topic, and I don't mean to criticise, but I'm a little concerned that the background of the whole aintitcool website is a tiled b@w image of a scene from ID4.. Now if there was any scene that should be used for a website background, surely a better one could be found than one from ID*smeggin*4? Perhaps rotating the backgrounds like you do the little animations in the corner.. that'd be nice. Or if you're going to stick with one, how about that shot of Tim Robbins with his arms stretched out to the pouring rain from The Shawshank Redemption.. That at least was a powerful scene from a credible movie, as opposed to the White House being blown up, which while spectacular has the stigma of being attached to a film like ID4.. 'nuff said I think :-)
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You know, I have oral surgery in one hour and I'm drugged on valium, but I can still tell that this interview tells me nothing new about Episode II. Anthony Daniels is just like his character: he's around during all the important stuff, but he never really knows what's going on.
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boys and girls.... why are you all so negative, ok so lucas made phantom menace which made toys and comics, and then made a shit load of cash, but thats hollywood for you... all this shit about how matrix 2 is gonna kick its arse!?!?! Matrix 2 is not gonna make EP2 a less successful movie, theres enough fanboys out there who are gonna give up their cash and see both, and as for lord of the rings!! it doesn't even come out at the same time!!!! jesus why cant you just sit back and appreciate films for what they are.... eye candy.
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I heard from a bloke in a pub, that Anakin goes ape shit because after his mother shacks up with that Lars geezer, he starts pimpin her to the local Tusken Raiders for a bag of bush, and a kilo of crack. Terrible drug habit you see.
Lars then moves into the dealing business, and sells some dodgy shit to some crack whore Jawas.
The Jawas come looking for revenge, and do a drive by on Shmi's ass.
This then leads Anakin to the Dark Side.
As I say, a bloke in a pub told me, so it must be true.
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Holy shit!
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Jun 07, 2001 5:44:26 AM CDT
HARRY!!! When are u going to make a recap of The Phantom Edit (E
by weird v2.0
The best new about SW in months and nothing yet in AICN.
BTW, I've just downloaded the "We didn't go to the desert to get a suntan" video, and there's lotta blue screen. Maybe actors (including Daniels) don't realize what the f*ck are they shooting or where they are.
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Jun 07, 2001 5:51:22 AM CDT
The Phantom Edit, the ultimate response to put up or shut up
by mad maximus
I don't knnow if you folks are aware, but there currently a bruhaahaa over a vid on the west coast called "The Phantom Edit". Turns out one of our fellow geeks with access to to editing equipment, streamlined the Phantom Menace, trimming about 20 minutes, mostly scenes including Jar Jar and Anakin. The article is here: http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---6923,00.html. Now if they can only edit out Neo flying in the Matrix :) BTW, if anyone knows how to get a copy, preferrably as a media file, please post
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Guys (and gals) I know that it is not becomming de rigeur to trash TPM but...Just remember that Star Wars is all things to all people. Gor the record, when I was growing up ROTJ was my personal favourite of the original trilogy. Now I find it hard to compare against the superb character development of Empire or the sheer exhileration of A New Hope. Just remember...There are kids out there who are watching TPM and then rediscovering the original trilogy. These anklebiters are the people that Lucas has in mind when writing and shooting the films and these are the people that will undoubtedly be listing the TPM as their favourite installment of the saga (until they get old enough to know better anyway!). Although I have to admit that TPM does not have the timeless appeal to me that the other films have I do have to say this to all the critics...MOVE ON! Give these films back to the kids!!! Watch them with that sense of wonder that you had when you were 8!! Get a life!! Get a girl/boy friend and then have sex with them!!! Believe me, the world will seem a lovelier place!
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Man, do you EVER have anything halfway related to the Talkbacks to post, or are you just one of those people that likes t post stuff so they can go back and read their own words over and over and marvel at them???
While TPM was not without its wide variety of demerits, I believe Lucas and co. have attempted to mold EII to avoid the pitfalls that plagued the reviews of TPM. Daniels is VERY much like 3PO (to whoever said that earlier-so right) in that he seems to know about as much about what is going on around him as 3PO does about the Galactic Civil war he's been in the middle of in ANH! but it seems to me that the combination of elements might fortell better things for EII, but the prrof will have to come next May.
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I think it's almost a gurantee by default (knock on wood) that this will be better than TPM. I mean, it has to be, right?
Throughout the original Star Wars movies, there was always this feeling that the droids knew a lot and had seen a lot. One wonders: Was their memory either erased or were they give strict orders about knowing Yoda, Anakin and others by the time they stumble across Luke? Basically what's being established here is that 3P0 and R2 havae been with all the major players since the very beginning...and they never dropped Luke or anyone else even the first clue! This is kind of a big potential continuity gap, so we'll see how they handle it. -
I've now watched TPM several more times, and I'd like to say that it's really not as bad as talkbackers here (nay, nearly every geek in the world, it seems) thinks. Though the scene in the throne room is really classic in ROTJ, I would say that on the whole TPM is better. ANH and ESB are clearly better, but I think TPM has its place. And, as someone mentioned, 3PO is annoying as hell. Lucas always has a Jar-Jar somewhere. Like it or not, this bunch of movies was always big, and it always had a rather goofy heart. And Qui-Gon is absolutely my favorite Jedi ever--the man defied Yoda! And he was clearly getting it on with Shmi. As for Watto? Qui-Gon made those righteous bets because he knew if things didn't work out, he'd just have to have one fewer little blue friend. TPM is a good STAR WARS movie that does what it needs to do. When the rest of the trilogy comes out, I think more people will understand what Lucas has been doing all this time. We're dealing with a different type of story this time around; the formula can't be the same. And remember, people, TPM takes place "before the dark times...before the Empire." It's a PHANTOM menace, folks. Look closer. Peace.
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Thank you, Donald and Emu, for speaking on behalf of the silent majority who felt that TPM was a pretty good film. Not that I'm saying the movie was perfect, (I likely speak for many when I express my hope that George has finally gotten over his "blow up something large and metallic" phase). However, Lucas had the thankless job of trying to introduce a new generation of kids to SW while keeping us diehard fans happy, and in the end I think he (for the most part) succeeded. My friends' kids loved TPM, even (gasp!) Jar Jar! Since the next two movies will deal with the fall of the Jedi and Anakin's final turn to the dark, I think it's a safe bet people that Ep. II won't be a lighthearted romp. Getting off the soapbox now...
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Lucas ruined episode one. The dialogue was inane ("You have helped those that have no hope, Ani") The actors all looked like they had better things to do. Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd (Yipee!) Episode 2 would have been better if they dropped Lucas as director. He can't direct films all he does is take credit for other peoples work and advice.
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Jun 07, 2001 7:02:13 AM CDT
Emu47 - I just went back, and it was a bad (worse) then I though
by perfectisolation
It was about 2 weeks ago (I posted something about it the next day, you go look). I was at my library, thought I would take it out. It was bad. the acting was bad, the editing was weak and the directing was poor. _______________________1. What made the first movies great was that there was no cgi, just models and painting (?). CGI just looks fake b/c the color palette ALMOST NEVER MATCHES. Everything always looks washed out. look at the tomb raider commercials, sure the resolution+detail is good, the the colors don't work._______________________2. The first movies were very life like - nothing shiny, nothing new, everything was worn and not functioning. The falcon was always breaking down, there were grease stains on the fighters, and on the jump suits. Those were the cleanest slave quarters in the world (TPM 1). Pre colonial war - f* it. Tattoine was a poor backwards no where planet. It didn't make sense for it to be equipped with tv/internet handheld appliances and a huge stadium that were never there in the first set. ___________________3. The acting is very typical of 30' 40' 50' bad direction. One person at a time, camera solely focused on them. Very stilted, every line a monologue, then a response. Right now I picture Amidala's (?) security officer (black chap in ridiculous hat & outfit). Everything was clipped, like a wednesday 'ask Jay' segment audience member reading from a que card. awful awful awful. what the fuck was with portman's accent??? it is very distracting AND there were no accents in the originals (which helps make them good! and not just a reason as why not to have them).
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Funny, I could've sworn that I caught a couple of British and American accents in the origial trilogy - I must have been mistaken!
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Yeah, the Americans were portrayed as the good guys and the English as the Baddies. Although I'm still a bit iffy on Captain Needa. You know if SW was made today, the English would probably be in an uproar with all the Eeeevil Empire refs :)
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Episode I was a film written in cinema language. Lucas says himself (watch "wedgie em out" on the official site) that he is a visual filmaker, the film doesn't rest in the dialogue. If you interpret the film, as you watch it, you see lots of different layers, themes, and even large amounts of character depth. Is it a dramatic scene to see two Jedi walk through a waiting room to a window while spewing what many say is bad dialogue? Not really. But if you realize that every fold in those costumes is significant, that the shape and design of the room they are in reflects the personality of the species that built it, that every movement in this scene (and the whole movie) is choreographed a certain way for a reason, it all becomes just a little more brilliant. At least in my mind.
Or look at it this way, it's a kids movie, and kids really like it. All of it. Their favorite character is Jar-Jar. I work as a counselor at an after school program for boys and girls ages 4-15. Everytime Star Wars comes up, the result is the same. They feel about The Phantom Menace the same way many people felt about the original. And Jar-Jar doesn't seem to annoy them. Well just thought I would enter the cutthroat world of talkbacks with a (hopefully) intelligent non flamatory remark. I don't have time to sit here and argue with people anyway. -
Jun 07, 2001 7:50:36 AM CDT
When does Mace Windu rape Amidala? Is that in Episode III?
by baron karza
I heard this rumor, and it seems VERY likely that it is true.. and Jar Jar meets George Michael in the stall?
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So Lucas should be fired from SW cause he's just taking credit for other people's work, and he doesn't know haw to direct? 1- Lucas created SW(with others) and the entire universe thereof. He also owns SW in its entirety. Let's also remember that he did direct the original so, despite TPM, he must have some talent. To MM, don't take out the flying from Matrix, take out the utter BS explanation of why the AI neds people. Humans = Duracells? bad math on the energy created by a human AND completely ignores that the energy cost of food and life support would be much greater than the waste energy given off by the body. To E, I think it will probably come up that 3PO gets mind-wiped before ep 4. But i think R2 knew the whole time and was trying to protect Luke. Even going back to the original SW plan as talked about by Lucas in the 70's, the droids were supposed to be the only characters to be in the entire series.
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Jun 07, 2001 8:11:47 AM CDT
Talandir, you did notice my :) at the end did you? Although I ha
by mad maximus
Weak plot device. I'm sure the Matrix folks will come out the woodwork for this one.
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the coolest thing, that could happen, is yoda get in a big saber fight. i'm getting freaky to see this shit happen.
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Now we gotta wait until friggin' Episode III before we can see Darth Vader on screen... At least give us some Stormtroopers in Episode II Luca$!... And another thing, Episode II doesn't need Jar Jar Jinx. Fine he was in Episode I and that can't be erased but his role comes to an end at the end of the Phantom Menace. Episode II can start without him, it's not like he's essential. I can forgive Luca$ if he just makes it seem like Jinx was just a minor character who just appears in the first movie. I don't wanna see him in all three prequels... and Luca$, please stop writing, I beg you please. Get Kasdan back.
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Jun 07, 2001 8:30:47 AM CDT
Whilst Pimpin Ken does make more sense than most Talkbackers, th
by pupkin
How many times have I read someone saying, 'Lord of the Rings is gonna kick Star Wars ep 2's ass'. I mean, do you people ever read back what you've just written? It sounds so absurd. Nobody has seen any of the new Star Wars, Matrix, or L of the R movies, the prejudice is baffling. So SW ep 1 was a letdown for a lot of people because it was aimed at the same age-group Star Wars always was aimed at - kids. Most of you complaining about that probably were kids when the SW universe grabbed you. That age-group now has pokemon, WWF and a thousand other things to entertain it so in a way, the timing that made Star Wars magical has gone now. The fascinated and enthralled kids we were, now seem to be stupid fuckers saying 'THE MATRIX 2 IS GONNA KICK STAR WARS 2'S ASS'. Very boring.
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Bah, all of the fan boys ripping on Episode II, yet they will be in line with everyone else at 3 in the morning getting tickets... Face it, JarJar was MUCH better than Luke in the first one. Really, Luke really was the uber whiner. And all of you bastards, even if you so do not want to admit it, loved the end fight scene. When the door open, and John Williams Choir kicks in, Darth Maul does that bad ass twirl thing.. Its pure magic... It ruled... Everyone of you guys left the theater going "Holy Shit I can't believe how cool that was", it was only weeks later when EVERYONE was sharing in the elation that was TPM, you decided to turn redcoat and give it bad reviews "Yeah the Matrix was SOOOO Much better". Fuck off elitist Fan Boys. I bet 99% of you guys own the widescreen special edition too... Even though you swore you wouldn't buy it because "Lucas Sold Out!".
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I agree with Cluster that it was not a movie, it was strictly a toy-merchandising vehicle. The closest comparison to PM are the Pokemon movies. Kids love them as well, but are they really any good? Nope. I didn't expect much from PM, but still it disapointed me. The film had extremely wooden acting, weak plot and poor dialogue. It was visually disappointing with it's plastic-like SFX and mainly unimaginative designs. Worst of all the cinematography was very static, dull and didn't manage to empower the drama. Cinematography of PM looked like a mediocre TV episode with expensive production values. Admittedly the Pod Race was pretty cool and some of the sets and sfx were impressive. But in general the film had no "sense of wonder", which is important to escapist scifi films like SW. Directorially it was an amateurish piece with poor directing of actors, poor visual sense and a bad sense of rhytm and structure. The good thing about all this is that Episode 2 can't possibly be any worse.
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just because my user ID forces me to post on every SW-related item.
Bad Ass Fett
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O.K. I've thought of something to post -- it's not new, but I laugh whenever I think about it. With all the effort that George put into the special effects of TPM, Matrix still got the academy award. HA! HA!
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Blood and gore Star Wars make, they do not. And as far as merchandising allegations: c'mon, people, what kind of toys did YOU play with? I had my action figures, just like anyone else, and I was really excited about my Millenium Falcon. Now to the concerns about the design: first of all, with what there is to gain with CGI, it is almost becoming worth it (though, I confess, I really hated to see models go--it's just something I've had to make my peace with over time). There are so many more great shots that can be done now, and it is being done thanks to computer animation. The concerns raised over the worn-out and dilapidated look of the original three are addressed pretty well in the behind-the-scenes quicktime files posted on the official site. That is, that they did this on purpose (especially interesting is what they have to say about the predominance of the triangular shape, used for ships like the one in TPM and also later for the Star Destroyers). TPM does great stuff layering in seeds for the future movies. After all, Master Yoda told me to be mindful of the future. My feelings? Sure, I wish the pop-culture references were gone (especially "How rude!" and "I don't care what galaxy you're from, that's gotta hurt"--these, I will admit, are frickin' painful). But the design, the wonderful scenes that are only there for a second before they're wisked away, the lightsaber battles, the music, the sheer Star Wars galaxy that I grew up with and love--it's all great. It's a rich, rich movie, and one that I'm glad I was able to see in my lifetime. I understand why others may not feel the same way, but I feel lucky to see it the way I do. The movie works for me. And surely you've seen Obi-Wan's bounce before he launches himself at Darth Maul? Damn, that's exciting stuff.
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It gets really interesting. Everyone hysterically bashes Phantom Menace, and then one or two insulted fanboys jump in with their "Lucas is a God, you turned your back on a great vision you heartless anti-George bastards" routine. So, let me just say, Episode I sucked, but we can't judge Episode II on one piece of shit. Remember, Lucas did good before, he might be able to do it again. He already heeded the warnings and downed Jar-Jar's role, but again, he also heeded what the public wants, and wrote Boba Fett into the script somehow. I can't judge Episode II yet, but it's either hit or miss. Granted, I won't be the first on line, and I may actually wait until video. Yes, Episode I did taint my appreciation for all things Star Wars.
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Watching DVDs with his new beta, and may the...force be with ya.
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Jun 07, 2001 9:14:16 AM CDT
david manning says it will be the best of 2002 read his review a
by jon-e-blaze
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I have to say that I agree with Donald Twain.Sometimes we forget that we are (mostly)grown up. When I watched SW I was 8. Now Im closing rapidly on 32, and with allegedly more sophisticated tatses, so even SW will never have the same feel that it had then. The best opinion I heard on TPM was a mates 10 yr old daughter, who loved it. When she grows up, and if Lucas makes other SW films, she may think they suck, but my kids(or Grandkids)will probably love it. Sometimes, I read SW talkbacks, and think we should remember we are all 20-25 years older than when SW came out.
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Perspective is all well and good, but it IS also fun to get excited about movies. It's part of the fun of cliffhanger endings--the audience is hooked. I don't know, man. I get excited about movies. They're something I really really enjoy. I don't see anything really wrong with that--it's the nature of a fan. It's what won me over about Travolta's character in GET SHORTY--that he really dug movies. If they can't really get inside us, seems to me like they're not of much use. "Good...bad... I'm the guy with the gun."
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everyone is bitching and complaining how bad ep.1 is but they forgot to realize that george doesn't give a shit about catering to everyones needs and he made the 1st movie without a fan base and is bascially finishing the series his way and because HE...NOT ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO! the whole star wars saga was never ment to be the biggest blockbuster movies ever and were never really supposed to be as serious as everyone wants them to be! the movies are directed towards a family type audience (pg rating, loveable characters, tons of toys/merch. aimed towards kids!)but of course the films don't meet everyones standards and not everyone likes them. sure ep.1 has it's flaws as do all the others but they are the greatest films ever because they are fun!!!! sure ep.1 had bad dialog but your saying the other 3 didn't? sure the world was expecting the greatest movie ever and if it wasn't so damn hyped up you would see that it is up there with the other 3! the other 3 didn't have a long wait or this much hype so people weren't expecting as much and when they finally got it they were let down because it wasn't all 3 combined! 15+ years is a long wait for a film and fans waited and waited and when it finally came to them they had to nitpick every damn second of the film. who cares if the acting isn't top notch (none of the other 3 had the best acting), who cares if their lines are cheesy (hmmm...nerf herder!)and who cares if sam jackson's head was too shiney (i just threw that one in myself!)let's also not forget that this story has been around since the other 3 and was thought of at the same time as the beloved 1st trilody so it's not like george just threw it all together a few years ago and gave it to us. also...it's the 1st part of another trilogy and it will set up the next 2 just like the other 3 did so it will all make more sense when the other 2 are out there. quit bitching and if you didn't enjoy it...don't watch it because i'm sick and tired of hearing the same crap over and over for the past 4 years on how ep.1 sucked! oh yeah... i bet anyone that matrix 2 is going to blow! i heard the other day that the bassist for third eye blind is in it and isn't one of those teen female pop singers in it as well? the 1st one will be very hard to top and how often does keuneu reeves make back to back good films? around this time next year i bet everyone will be nitpicking everything they found wrong with the matirx 2 and complaining how bad reeves is and they need to hire someone else! aure it will rack in the money at the box office but most of those people will come out with mixed feelings! lotr looks good though but it has the chance to do very well or very bad!
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Those of you attempting to sum-up SW talkbacks and accuse all us talkbackers of lameness forgot one thing: invariably, one of you posts a holier-than-thou, all-of-you-people-are-really-pointless messages. Just one thing is perplexing about that: if you find little corners of the internet such as this to be ridiculous wastes of time, what in the hell are YOU doing here? The sign was posted on the door, man! No one forced you to read this stuff. Anyway, peace all. I love everyone, even Jar-Jar.
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You think "first" posts are a joke? The joke's on you because you're the only one laughing. It's not funny, just pathetic. The people who put down the first posters are the funny ones.
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This aggravates me. Why would they show Anakin becoming Vader in Episode 3? Doesnt that ruin the entire "I'm your father" revelation in the OT? Dammit, Lucas...no more disappointments. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
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I wasn't really planning on talking back here, but I couldn't resist. TPM wasn't that great, but it's not like it was The Poseiden Adventure or something. Sheesh! And I do get goosebumps watching the fight scene. I think I'm wearing out my tape at that part. What moved me to talk back was the George Lucas has sold out and is only in it for the money theory. Are you kidding? Mr. I own Skywalker Sound, Skywalker Ranch and ILM, the only reason that The Matrix and LOTR has any good fx in the first place cuz I raised the standards? Not to mention the money he still makes from the original trilogy's merchandise. Some talkbackers hit the nail on the head, he's making it for the kids. His kids and everyone elses'. I don't think I'd hit the 4ft mark when I first saw the originals. My little brother loves Jar Jar. I personally wish he'd die by swallowing his tongue. But I remember that I loved the Ewoks, and I later found out how much my parents hated them and couldn't get how I liked them, especially their song (as my mom put it, "nub nub, I need a back rub"). So bash Lucas ans TPM all you want, but remember how old you were when the originals came out and think of the kids seeing it now.
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OK, here goes....I think the fact that this movie is a little more "talky" than action-oriented kind of frustrated fans. We are shown aspects of the Star Wars universe that were only hinted at in the original series such as the Senate and Jedi Coucil. We have a situtation where we wanted more Star Wars and we got it. The problem is that the political aspects of Star Wars were not a major story point in the original series. We knew of the Empire and the rebellion...but that was as far as it went....In Episode 1, we have glimpses of how Palpatine came into power, but that story isn't as exciting as flying around in a battle damaged ship while chased by several tie fighters, and yet, it is a crucial story point that establishes how Darth Vader and he came into power. Despite how boring it that storyline was, it is a story that has to be told in order to set up the next 2 movies.
On another noteo, the fact that everyone seems to be related to one another somehow takes away some of the credibility.
And as far as Jar Jar goes...what can be said that already hasn't been said about this guy? He did do 2 things in the movie though....1. he "guided" the Jedi through the planet core, and 2. he actually helped bring the Gungans and the Naboo together to fight a war. Other than that, we didn't really need to see any more of him.
I'll bet that the next two movies won't be as "fluffy", the story will flow better and should be more exciting....plus, I'm sure that we haven't seen the ultimate lightsaber fight yet...wait until Darth and Obi-Wan square off for the first time....
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Ruin the surprise of Anakin being vader? WTF are you talking about? Maybe if he becomes vader right in front of the droids the suprise would be ruined, but isn't it obvious already that the droids memories of tatooine have been wiped? Otherwise C3P0 would have mentioned being born on tatooine in the first (4th) movie. So he can "go vader" in front of the droids all he wants. Sometime in the 3rd movie their memories are going to be at least partially wiped.
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Okay, let me explain myself a bit. Say it is the year 2040. George Lucas is long since dead and ILM owns California. Haley Joel Osment is president and the moon is now used as a large advertising banner. You sit down with all 6 Star Wars films in hand. Naturally, you watch them beginning with Episode 1, ending with Episode 6. When you get to Episode 3, you see Anakin get in a big fight, get critically injured, and get fixed by Palpatine and his trusty band of Ugnauts, turning him into the next Sith Apprentice, Darth Vader. Cool, you think. This should be a great character to make things interesting in the next three. So then you watch Episode 5, when Vader drops the bomb on Luke in cloud city that he is his father. Youve already seen Episode 3...you already knew that...whats the big deal? Were these movies made in reverse or something? Do you see my point now?
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Yeah baby, huge career a coming. I guess overcoming the great obstacle of having C3PO sit down and Yoda get up will make up for failing to write a decent script. Maybe I'm wrong, he did write a bunch of Young Indiana Jones scripts. Can't be any worst than that JP3 summary.
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There will still be old timers around saying "you know sonny, them star wars movies were made out of order...456, 123, 789. Back in the 1980's when ol' george lucas said he'd do it that way nobody beleived him, but damned if he didn't do just that." And even if these future people aren't suprised by the big revelation that luke is vader's son, they'll get a different but just as strong feeling of relief that luke finally knows what they've known all along since episode 2 or 3. They'll get a feeling of suspense that we never got while watching eps 4, 5, and 6. "When is luke going to realize that's his dad?" "Can't he tell he's kissing his sister?!" Either way, it still works, even if you watch them in numerical order.
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If you noticed, Daniels repeatedly comments on how amazing Hayden Christensen is. It's quite obvious that C3P0 is a latently homosexual character, whereas there's nothing latent about Daniel's queerdom. He's gushing over Hayden and the kid's destined to be the next Mark Hamill. It sounds to me like Tony's got the hots for young Hayden.
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Next summer, Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man" will blow away Episode II, and Matrices 2, 3, 4, 5, AND 6. You'll see... you'll ALL see!!!
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Okay, I want to get a few things off my chest. First of all, I see more than one movie a year, and there's a very good chance that I'll see 'LOTR', 'Episode II', AND 'Matrix 2'. 'Phantom Menace' had its problems, yes, and it was certainly not up to the level of ANY of the original movies. But I appreciated it a lot more than a lot of generic summer movies (ID4, The Mummy, etc.) And from what I know, 'Episode II' will be a major improvement. George Lucas is by no means the first filmmaker to make a lame movie. The Wachowskis have given us 'Bound' and 'Assasins'. Peter Jackson gave us 'The Frighteners'. And of course Spielberg gave us 'Hook', Scorsese 'New York New York', Hitch 'Family Plot', Fincher 'The Game', Scott 'White Squall', DePalma and Coppola too many to mention and on and on and on and on. Anyone who denounces 'TPM' among the worst films they've ever seen clearly has not seen very many films. The same would apply to those who declare 'Memento' and 'Fight Club' among the very best. Secondly, for those who decry some money grubbing loss of innocence in the prequels, let's get this nice and sparkling clear. 'Star Wars' has always been and will always be a Great Big Money Making Merchandising Machine. George Lucas is a very very wealthy man. Each day he gets richer. No doubt for the worse, the original film revolutionized the way that movies are marketed and merchandised. The likes of Cameron, Zemeckis and Emerich have all enjoyed comparable popular successes, but not even Disney has so brilliantly capitalized on a single hit movie. Lucas traded his salary on 'A New Hope' for the sequel and merchandising rights, which Fox considered inconsequential. Today sequels and merchandise are the backbone of the Hollywood economy, and no franchise has been so succesfully plundered, has spawned such a vast and profitable empire of crap. In short, 'Star Wars' is more than just commercial filmmaking, IT IS COMMERCIAL FILMMAKING. And another thing. Lots of 'Star Wars' fans have 'lives'. They have jobs, they have friends, they have lovers, and they dig 'Star Wars'. What's wrong with that? And since when is 'Star Wars' just for kids? They've always been juvenile and silly however 'TPM' drifted toward the infantile and the idiotic. And Qui-Gon wasn't getting it on with Shmi, he was molesting Annakin "My friends call me Annie". And who cares whether Anthony Daniels is gay? C-3PO made way cooler comic relief than Jar-Jar Binks. Memo to George Lucas: Laurel and Hardy are still amusing; Amos and Andy are not. I think that that's all I wanted to say. I'm sure there's more but I'll get to that later. See you next Wednesday.
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THAT'S what Harry's using for his background - the White House blowing up in ID4? I've been staring at that for the last month or however long he's had it, and I haven't been able to figure it out. My husband figures that it's a Rorschach test, so whatever you see will reveal fascinating secrets about your psyche. Personally, I see Hugh Jackman whipping out his claws switchblade-style before going toe-to-toe with Mystique in "X-Men".
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Okay, I want to get a few things off my chest. First of all, I see more than one movie a year, and there's a very good chance that I'll see 'LOTR', 'Episode II', AND 'Matrix 2'. 'Phantom Menace' had its problems, yes, and it was certainly not up to the level of ANY of the original movies. But I appreciated it a lot more than a lot of generic summer movies (ID4, The Mummy, etc.) And from what I know, 'Episode II' will be a major improvement. George Lucas is by no means the first filmmaker to make a lame movie. The Wachowskis have given us 'Bound' and 'Assasins'. Peter Jackson gave us 'The Frighteners'. And of course Spielberg gave us 'Hook', Scorsese 'New York New York', Hitch 'Family Plot', Fincher 'The Game', Scott 'White Squall', DePalma and Coppola too many to mention and on and on and on and on. Anyone who denounces 'TPM' among the worst films they've ever seen clearly has not seen very many films. The same would apply to those who declare 'Memento' and 'Fight Club' among the very best. Secondly, for those who decry some money grubbing loss of innocence in the prequels, let's get this nice and sparkling clear. 'Star Wars' has always been and will always be a Great Big Money Making Merchandising Machine. George Lucas is a very very wealthy man. Each day he gets richer. No doubt for the worse, the original film revolutionized the way that movies are marketed and merchandised. The likes of Cameron, Zemeckis and Emerich have all enjoyed comparable popular successes, but not even Disney has so brilliantly capitalized on a single hit movie. Lucas traded his salary on 'A New Hope' for the sequel and merchandising rights, which Fox considered inconsequential. Today sequels and merchandise are the backbone of the Hollywood economy, and no franchise has been so succesfully plundered, has spawned such a vast and profitable empire of crap. In short, 'Star Wars' is more than just commercial filmmaking, IT IS COMMERCIAL FILMMAKING. And another thing. Lots of 'Star Wars' fans have 'lives'. They have jobs, they have friends, they have lovers, and they dig 'Star Wars'. What's wrong with that? And since when is 'Star Wars' just for kids? They've always been juvenile and silly however 'TPM' drifted toward the infantile and the idiotic. And Qui-Gon wasn't getting it on with Shmi, he was molesting Annakin "My friends call me Annie". And who cares whether Anthony Daniels is gay? C-3PO and R2-D2 made way cooler comic relief than Jar-Jar Binks. Memo to George Lucas: Laurel and Hardy are still amusing; Amos and Andy are not. I think that that's all I wanted to say. I'm sure there's more but I'll get to that later. See you next Wednesday.
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I found the Queen's accent in TPM annoying and distracting as hell - although at first I wasn't sure whether it WAS an accent or whether Natalie Portman just couldn't act (that was the first thing I ever saw her in). "Aye will not watch may people suffer and day while you discuss this in a koh-mit-tee!". Later on I was of the opinion that they gave her that accent in an attempt to make her seem more different from Padme so that the audience wouldn't catch on that they were the same person. (Meanwhile, I'd already reached that conclusion long before the big "secret" was revealed in the movie. Also, my husband, unbeknownst to me, had seen action figures in Toys R Us which clearly indicated that Amidala and Padme were one and the same.) As for the first movie - yes, all the bad guys had British accents, but let's not forget Carrie Fisher's weird pseudo-Brit accent for the first half or so. "General Tarkin - only you would be so bold. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board."
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And how come everytime a story comes out, Anthony daniels is the man to spill it. Just get that Trailer going George, and lets see if the embarassment that was Episode 1 is forgotten. And then we can all say YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! (How could you George, How could you).
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..starwars posts are always the most tediously repatative drivel written by the Geek chorus....its worse than fuckin politics!!!! So lets start a happy little game...In an ideal world the starwars universe would be open for all creative efforts... (( ie: Kevin Smith would be making - Jawa and silent Boba strike back!! ))personally I would like to see Scorsese directing 'Canteena'
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I don't buy the whole argument about how adulthood distorts one's perception of TPM. You know the line- We were kids when the first three came out and were therefore better able to overlook their flaws, and if you detach yourself from your nostalgia and view them objectively today then you'll realize they're really no better than blah blah blah... Look, there's some shit that I LOVED as a kid- only slightly less than I loved Star Wars- that doesn't hold up today at all. I recently went back and tried to watch some old episodes of Transformers, for instance, and the experience was unbearably painful. I could barely endure twenty minutes. The trilogy, by contrast, is still rewarding every time. TPM is just a shitty, shitty movie. And it's a mistake to think people like me get some sick charge from denouncing it. Every time I rip into it I'm forced to relive the heartbreak, but the truth can't be denied.
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Jun 07, 2001 12:48:04 PM CDT
No Matter What Our Feelings Are About Lucas and These Films, I S
by buzz maverik
Dear Get-A-Life Poster, I see that you saw a nearly 20 year old Saturday Night Live skit and you are now reinacting it here. Personally, I find that more pathetic than people stating their points of view over a series of films that are being made this very minute. Also, you are not the first to post this. Someone posts this in every fantasy oriented talkback or any talkback where there's a strong fanbase. It's always "Get a partner and have sex". Seen it a million times. Since it's pretty easy to get sex, it's safe to assume that most of the people posting here are currently getting some (even while posting), have gotten some and will get some again. Now, I want you guys to go back to your arguing with the knowledge that Buzz Mephistopholese Maverik has your back and will handle each of these Get-A-Lifers as they pop up.
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Jun 07, 2001 12:55:42 PM CDT
i will resist..... i will resist..... i will resist......iwillre
by general idea
ahh hell with it, I'll just wallow in the sewer with the rest of you! I will not defend TPM, it stunk. However, the reasons that some of the TB'ers here are giving for its suckiness I don't agree with. You simply can't argue that there is a marketing campaign that goes along with these movies. I must've owned hundreds of figures, posters, toys, etc, when I was younger from the first trilogy. So if you think that marketing and toys aren't inevitable, you're fooling yourself. That said, I DON'T think it should have a direct influence on how the movie is made, nor do I think that was the case. Jar-Jar and Anakin are all I can really see that would go on a Burger King glass, and you could say the same thing about the ewoks, chewie, yoda, etc. Jar-Jar looked silly, no doubt, but it was the dialogue and step&fetchit routine that gave me a headache. Sure, Luke had some silly lines, & the ewoks were aimed at the kids, but I don't recall them farting and burping. By the way, native americans are still protesting TPM since they were the only group not to be represented by an alien race. Although I hear they will add a new species in Episode 2, led by Chief Running Wampa or something... "Him use force!" Seriously, I expect Ep 2 to be worlds better than TPM, I'll stay hopeful. I think more 3P0/R2 and less Jar-Jar can only help.
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That's the order of quality folks. I'll take 30 Jar Jars over a single Wicket J. Ewok any day of the week. ROTJ was marred by not only childishness and bad puppets, but also an emasculated Han Solo, a granola Leah and that Godforsaken Tarzan yell from Chewbacca. This was a true dissapointment from the bowels of a Gundark. Phantom Menace had much better Jedi shit and a whole lot of cool ass backstory starting up. I dug it. Listen. All the Star Wars flicks have the bad acting, bad costumes, bad ships, bad ideas. It's a moot point. You actually think A New Hope was a Great piece of cinema?? You do?? You actually think so looking at it today?? If you ask me The Phantom Menace was EXACTLY the quality of Star Wars. Exactly.
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Jedi Fight Club. just make it. c'mon now, it could work. first rule of JFC: talk not, about JFC.
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Hoo-kay, obviously this TPM debate won't be resolved here. For the record, ESB was still the best of the four, no contest, but the signs are there that Ep. II will rock. Why? No sign yet that anything large and metallic will blow up. Let's wait and see, people!
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Hoo-kay, obviously this TPM debate won't be resolved here. For the record, ESB was still the best of the four, no contest, but the signs are there that Ep. II will rock. Why? No sign yet that anything large and metallic will blow up. Let's wait and see, people!
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God I'm sorry. I didn't realise I would challenge peoples sensibilities so much with my foolhardy, silly and downright damn immature 'FIRST' posting. You're right, it had nothing to do with Star Wars, and your excellent Star Wars related groan at me proved it. I'm sorry. I will endevour to only make related arguments and comments about movies.
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Jun 07, 2001 2:22:32 PM CDT
The Phantom Menace was EXACTLY the quality of Star Wars?
by domisinnerchild
Huh? You're kidding right? Maybe it's not aging as well as we all would like, but A New Hope was much more entertaining than the dull TPM. You can't tell me you enjoyed Anakin accidently blowing up the generator was EXACTLY as good as Luke destroying the Death Star. The biggest problem? No Han Solo. The heroes were straight laced mono-toned Eurotrash. DULL heroes. Another big issue, lame villians. The Trade Federation? Give me a break. Their silly robots were about as threatening as Ewoks.
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Sorry...damn that return key. Anyways, I agree with :-O, otherwise known as the artist formerly known as Prince. But seriously, that's the order of these movies. Least I'm not alone. You're telling me you guys actually like 3P0 levitating in a silly chair, scaring the hell out of mutant kitten toys? Mmm. I sense much anger in you.
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Seriously. I'm telling ya, he's not boring, he's just in control. Liam Neeson's performance is great. And for crying out loud, give up on this Han fetish. Do we need all the same character-types in each movie. Hey, no, wait, better idea: let's just do the same thing again, yeah. Don't stray anywhere from what we know and love, or we'll EAT you, Lucas! Raar! Bottom line: Qui-Gon is a great Jedi. Composed, rational, and he defies the Jedi council. And he's right to do it, too! Ha! ....Well, from a certain point of view, he is.
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It's not a Han Solo fetish, it's a problem with a lack of anybody to stir the pot other than freakin' Jar Jar. Everybody was a straight man in TPM. I can't even remember a good line delievered by ANY of the characters other than Yoda.
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Qui Gon is a good jedi, but he wont be the best ever. Wait until we see Mace and Yoda using their powers, In E2 every jedi will be fighting. This is what is going to make it work, Hayden's lightsabre antics on the EP2 preview footage .avi (Which Lucas pulled) was brilliant. And Christopher Lee's lightsabre will probably be the best we have ever seen. Everyone watched the fight scenes in the Matrix and thought WOAH!!! And I believe that come EP2 you will never ever have seen fight scenes like it. YODA FIGHTING, I have been waiting for this for 20 years. DAMN, Get that bloody trailer....COME ON.
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It is a time of great turmoil in the Star Wars' fan universe. Although Episode I has been blasted with continuous, brutal criticisms, disgruntled fans continue to rip Lucas a new asshole, claiming he ruined all that was good in their lives.
Meanwhile, others fans have gone on with their lives, remembering not only how much joy Star Wars once brought into their lives, but letting their frustrations and disappointments with Episode I go.
As fans continue to lock heads in mortal combat over the virtues (and lack thereof) of Episode I, Lucas continues plotting (plot -- hm, maybe the wrong word to use, but we'll see) his great comeback, hoping to amaze the world once again when he unleashes his newest cinematic adventure in theaters, May 2002, potentially restoring peace to the Star Wars' fan galaxy....
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I for one was immensely disappointed by Episode I, but you know what, I just let it go. It's just a movie. And even though I was disappointed, I'm still hopeful that Episode II will be everything we all hope it will be. I don't know if it will be, and if it isn't, again, so what? But just imagine, "what if...?" What if Episode II, or Lord of the Rings, or Matrix II, or any of these movies turn out to be all we hope they will be? That's the reason we're fans, because we've had those experiences before and were able to get so much enjoyment out movies like ANH and TESB, and what's to stop us from ever enjoying these films? They were great, and they always will be. Film-making -- "great" film-making that is, is a tricky thing, and nothing is guaranteed, but we can always hope that undefinable "magic" that Star Wars and Empire possessed will happen again, and how great would that be? I say let's be hopeful that Lucas can catch magic in a bottle, and if not, let's just enjoy the great movies we already have. There's always going to be great movies made by someone somewhere (Lucas was that someone back in 1977, remember?), and great movie-making is what it's all about, not griping endlessly about the mediocre ones. Let's get excited for the future and be just a little grateful for the amazing movies we already have and will forever cherish. As far as Episode I goes, what can you say -- the world's not perfect and I guess we learned Lucas isn't either. I say, it's time we all just let it be.
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Jun 07, 2001 4:51:45 PM CDT
QuiGonJin: May or may not be the best Jedi ever... HOWEVER QUIGO
by removed_user
QuiGonJinn was a Jedi Master who was no longer on the Jedi Council because of his "maverick" ways. Perhaps maybe is what due to QuiGonJinn's being for the "living force". Or maybe it was because QuiGonJinn was a disciple of both sides of the force, including the darkside. ObiWanKenobi openly questioned QuiGonJinn over Anakin and his dealings with the JediCouncil. QuiGonJinn may have cast a bigger shadow over Anakin then we are shown in Episode1. Futhermore, QuiGonJinn LOOKED LIKE A JEDI KNIGHT-MASTER should look. Tall, long-hair and a big-ass saber. Now I know that some will point out QuiGon's demise. However it should be pointed out that the Sith, one on one are far more powerful than the Jedi, since they have heavy firepower in the guise of the darkside and Sith black magic to back them up. Futhermore, the JediCouncil was skeptical over the reappearance of the Sith. Unfortunatley these scenes were cut out of Episode1 along with QuiGonJinn "helping" Obiwan slay Maul after QuiGon's demise. I didn't really catch on to QuiGon until I seen some fan artwork depicting him with a green double-bladed lightsaber with the caption "If the fight would have been fair...". Also another fan-artwork with QuiGon's shadow casting a silhoette of Vader, not unlike the Anakin posters. Hell I think QuiGonJinn/Liam Neeson are such big pimps that they even hit on some of Amidala/Natalie Portman's kitty. You know Natatlie allegedly likes older men.
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Jun 07, 2001 5:00:14 PM CDT
Why isn't their any outrage over Episode2's Boba Fett being play
by removed_user
I just want to make it clear I am still psychotic as ever when it comes to Starwars. However I'm not looking forward to the Clonewars being fought in a arena by a bunch of CGI BattleDroids and updated Episode2 version SuperBattleDroids with CGI creatures looking on. I am looking forward to Mace Windu, Anakin Skyywalker(heh, 2 Y's), Amidala, Shmi, QuiGon(hopefully) and the droids C3PO and R2D2. Let me also say that I am proud that I didn't proofread my "QuiGon is a pimp" post.
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Anyone know where you can find SW 1.1 The Phantom Edit online? Email me. Thanks...
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Ok fanboys here's the scoop. You don't have to love TPM (or ROTJ for that matter) to be a fan. I love some parts of both movies and hate other parts (guess which parts I didn't like, it's not hard). For everyone that says Star Wars has always been for kids, well I guess you must have either A.) not have even been alive in '77 B.) not have been old enough in '77 to know any better. Let me tell you as someone who was an ADULT back in '77, that Star Wars was a film for ALL ages. Let me say that part again. Star Wars was for ALL ages. TESB was for ALL ages, let me say again TESB was for ALL ages. I saw both those films when they were released when I was of adult age and I can tell you something that I am amazed isn't a no brainer for everyone who has seen the films: THE TONE OF THE FILMS CHANGED WHEN ROTJ WAS RELEASED. I don't see how this can be debated. There was no pandering to kids in the first two films, but the last two have deffinitely been aimed at a younger age bracket. This is too bad realy, because kids loved the first two films anyway. They are going to love Star Wars without Jar Jar and Ewoks and stuffed blue elephants playing the paino. I never understood why George did this, it has made the last two films unbalanced in my opinion. Childish stuff mixed in with adult stuff, where as the first two films didn't have that odd mix. So there you have it, from an adults point of view. Not a kid who grew up with it. Not a kid who is just discovering it, but an adult who has been a fan all along. I think if Lucas want's to get back the magic he has to go back to his original formula. He is an incredibly creative guy, he just need some good advise once in a while from his piers and associates, and find that place he was at 25 years ago, add a little wisdom learned along the way, and WHAMO!! Star Wars will come roaring back to life.
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While I don't quite share in emu and darthpsycho's ejaculatory enthusiasm for the character, I will say that Qui Gon's weariness was the only genuine emotion in all of TPM. Kudos to Liam for rising above the material.
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I was a lucky 9 year old who got to see Star Wars when I was a child. Did adults like it? Yeah, but you have to remember, there werent a lot of positive, fun sci-fi movies being made in the 70's Most of it was bleak future, like Planet of the Apes, 2001, Rollerball...ect. ect. Adults loved Star Wars like they loved The Mummy Returns or Radiers of the lost arc I've seen the Phantom Edit. It is crap...there was a lot of things that George Lucas was attempting to do with this movie-a majority of it was cut because the editor thought it was "for the kids" For the Record, Star Wars was always "For the Kids" Lucas has been quotied as such in the Rolling Stones Magazine interview back in 1977. The whole thing was a tribute to the Sci-fi serial he enjoyed as a kid. The Phantom Edit, took out the "yippies" and the "yeahs", of Anikin. he also let in a little akward scilence when Anakin responded to Yodas, "fear" accuasation. Lucas wanted for Anakin to be an innocent, good boy. He wanted NO trace of Vader in the child, we are to witness his transformation to the Dark Side. So every "yippe" brings out the exuberance of youth. The Phantom editor also took out the Jedi/Jar Jar journey through the core of the planet. The Phantom Editor, claimed in an interview, that there was no reason for the journey except for the kid. WRONG....a) To show how Boss Nass a dangerous person by sending them to almost certian death. B)To show how Jedi and Jar Jar Reacted to danger. This is important when Jar Jar actually grows as a caracter by facing certian death on the Front Line without fainting. C) That the tecnology allowed for engine repairs on the inside craft (as when Anakin repaired his pod.) Oh well, I am ranting.....
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I dug that Dude. Pity, he died so soon.
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Will it be good? Who knows, but by his actions Lucas has shown himself to be a classless person with little regard for those who love his work; so I ain't going.
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I feel like I'm in that Simpsons episode where Homer shows everyone that Clinton and Dole have been replaced with Aliens. Yet no one considers voting for poor ol' Perot and his third party. If the next one is searing crap, we're going to be seeing a lot of 'I was right, it was crap' tb's. But hey, "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
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Jun 07, 2001 9:53:32 PM CDT
A perspective from a guy who dropped half a grade point because
by lobanhaki
I was all hyped up for this movie. I was eating it up. But I started to sense that story wise, it wasn't going to be a knock out. Dialogue wise, I'd had enough experience with watching Star Wars to know not to watch it for Dialogue. You watch David Mamet or Quentin Tarantino movies for dialogue.
Visuals? Spielbergs prediction of jaws dropped for a week came true. The beauty of the underwater cities, The Jedi swordsmanship with that moment when Qui-Gon plunges that lightsaber into the Neimodian's blast door, starts melting it, with that Jedi theme swelling on the soundtrack. JOY. That Shot of the armies descending that hill, with that cool canted angle..... The way those pods disintegrated when they crashed.... That overhead shot of the Coruscant landing pad, the Royal Naboo Space ship on it, that keeps on tilting until you feel you're going to drop out of your seat into the endless city canyons.... That moment when night descends on the city world, and it lights up.... Anybody who doesn't think Lucas is a visual artist hasn't seen his films.
Most modern effects films contract out for their effects. I contract out for my genres. I'm willing to have the films that I watch be stronger in different areas, to have one be more visual, another more verbal, one fun to watch, another fascinating to watch.... I can handle films that don't impress me all around. I don't need perfection, but instead meaning, and if you look at Lucas's visuals, you will catch it. More or less, I think of Phantom Menace as the least of the Star Wars movies, but not the worst. For me, Worst doesn't describe my feelings about it. I came out of that theatre satisfied, and I am not going to second guess my first impressions. My advice to those who think Lucas raped their childhood, or at the very least were disappointed by it is to appreciate Lucas's first three films (or two if your tastes run that way) is to see Lucas's work the way I look at Tom Clancy's work, now that he's putting talk radio style words into Jack Ryan's mouth: He's an artist who at least had a prime, and everything before Rainbow Six I think is worth reading (especially the gutsy move in Sum of All Fears). If you don't like Phantom Menace, Lucas at least had a prime with the original trilogy. -
Come on, how could anyone like that twit? The best part of "TPM" was when that lightsaber sliced through Ol' "I'm Oskar Schindler, dammit!"
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I remember reading a long time ago that there would be episodes 7, 8 and 9. Anyone know about this?
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star wars is just a movie for christs sake.. calm down sons of bitches! visit my website if you wanna see cameron diaz naked http://www.geocities.com/deaconfrost99
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Jun 08, 2001 1:28:08 AM CDT
What could I possibly have to say that would add anything more t
by derubermax
OK, here's my take on everything. We have this movie called Star Wars: Episode IV and it is the sci-fi film to beat all sci-fi films. Then we have sequels, which are inevitable. Then we have prequels, which are alot less inevitable. Then we have generations of people who are watching these films and thinking to themselves: Hey these are some pretty damn good movies! Then we have another, smaller, group of people who say to themselves, and to anyone else around them who will listen: Hey, these movies are good, but they can be better. Nothing ever seems to be good enough to this small group of people. Anyway, this is George Lucas' baby, and he's not gonna let anyone mess with it. IF anyone is going to be doing any messing, it will be George himself. C'mon, the guy is richer than God. If he wanted to distribute a film about CGI turds running around the screen, I am sure he could find a way to distribute it on three million screens and put pictures of turds on Pepsi(tm) cans!
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By the time Lord of the Rings come out later this year, everyone will stop thinking of Episode 2 and instead be looking forward to next christmas.... when the secon installment of LOTR comes out....you guy will get a rude awakening of how stupid this star wars series is...
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By the time Lord of the Rings come out later this year, everyone will stop thinking of Episode 2 and instead be looking forward to next christmas.... when the secon installment of LOTR comes out....you guy will get a rude awakening of how stupid this star wars series is...
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By the time Lord of the Rings come out later this year, everyone will stop thinking of Episode 2 and instead be looking forward to next christmas.... when the secon installment of LOTR comes out....you guy will get a rude awakening of how stupid this star wars series is...
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I agree it won't do any good to further bash TPM. But, I have to say that I have never been more DISAPPOINTED with a movie than I was with TPM.
The original trilogy was so great, and so magical to me, that it defied any sort of individual criticism regarding acting, special effects, etc. I mean, it's STAR WARS for god's sake!!
But that feeling went out the window with TPM. I went in with my childlike sense of wonder intact, and came out the theater with a childlike sense of emptiness.
I think for many, that disappointment then turned into anger, hence the bashing. I could write a laundry-list of things I didn't like about the movie, but none would have mattered if I walked out of the theater jazzed about Star Wars, and humming the Star Wars theme.
I intended to watch it again to give it a second chance, but have just never had the DESIRE to do so, unfortunately.
Of course, I will still go see E2 the first weekend it's out. But my enthusiasm and hopes will be tempered. I think many will go into the theater the same way.
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1) "...and Anger leads to the Dark Side"-Yoda
2-10) THERE AREN'T ANY! Come on defenders of TPM, show me the script. This is the second time on seperate Star Wars stories I've asked for ONE friggin' good line from the TPM. I didn't think it would be a total stumper. It's easy to do for Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and hell even ROTJ had some good lines. -
A certain mister Maul quoting:-
"At last we will reveal ourselves to the jedi. At last we will have revenge".
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The only relly funny line from TPM was when QGJ tried to used the Jedi mind trick an Watto and Watto would have none of that. "What are you some kind of Jedi? Waving your hand in front of everyone face?" Not catchphrase worthy but funny none the less. On a side note, I am rather looking forward to LOTR, I just wonder if we are going to get a barrage of "Peter Jackson ass-raped my childhood" comments. After seeing the build up of LOTR fans I would think it would be rather funny if something like this happened. But after reading so many comments I've come to the conclusion, that there is simply no pleasing some folks, I mean come on, 2002 is going to present us with some phenomenal movies why cant we just be thankful that some really good stuff is coming out? This bashing is almost reminiscent of the 'my dad can beat up your dad" nonsense from grade school and makes folks look like children. Not since the early 80's which bought us Conan, Blade Runner, The Thing, EFNY, TESB, ROTJ (well my faves at least :), your tastes may vary) etc did we have a bumper crop of good movies to look forward to! It's bad enough some (not all) fans of the Matrix give that movie a bad name by acting foolish, but man, I expected better behaviour from LOTR literary crowd.
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..and i think most of the talkbackers who shit on about The Man being a hack etc etc e-fucking-tc feel the same. The man has redifined cinema..his influence is everywhere...
example 1.- the scene in jaws where roy schnider's character is sitting on the beach and notices someone being attacked, look at the seamless editing used, u probably dont notice it because its been used so many times since. (its possible given my relativly short time on this planet that it was used b4..but i havent noticed it, but feel free to correct me if im wrong i know you will).
example 2. the camera work in Saving Private Ryan. Gladiator, and even an episode of Star Trek...
my point is, he is the best director working today at telling a story. he may not be the greatest auteur, but his skill is mesmerising.
and its this skill that makes me jealous of him, what aspiring filmmaker isnt???
A.I for me means, the combination of minds of the greates auteur, if not the greatest with one of the greatest if not the greatest entertainer of all time. hmmmm...
am i excited...
yes.
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oops sorry dudes..im a little new here, the above post was intended for another talkback...
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From the early '80's: ST: Wrath of Khan. Damn I wish I could relive those days.
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Is William Shatner going to be in this? I'd see it if WILLIAM FUCKING SHATNER is in it. No Shatner, don't bother.
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Episode II will suck EVEN MORE than I. And Episode III will be one of the worst pictures of its year. William Shatner in Episode II? Hey, that could be funny... they should call it Episode II & 1/2: The Smell of Fear. And George Lucas: where did you forget your talent? Kill Jar Jar! A gory death, please!
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Sigh, its comments like the above poster that make me secretly wish that LOTR and Matrix2 bomb just so I can sit back and have a good chuckle. I'd also do my Edward G. Robinson imitation, reciting "So where's your God nooooow". Trolls. Is it too much to ask for folks to sit back and enjoy what's coming out? I guess not....William Shatner as Darth Hairpiece, Hmmmm. If we play our card right, we can spread another bogus rumor :)
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Jun 09, 2001 7:47:49 AM CDT
Haha, you guys are funny- fighting over stupid shit like this. (
by gustavo cerati
To those who are interested in the new trilogy: 1 Stop wasting your time trying to convince others to give TPM another chance and to stick around...these people will go see episode 2 even if the whole movie was about Jar Jar. 2 Why do you have to justify liking something so unimportant as a movie? Go make some new friends.
To those who think Star Wars is shit now: 1 calm the fuck down already. In case you haven -
Jun 10, 2001 12:59:38 PM CDT
Yeah, O.K., this "shit" is stupid? Star Wars, is like, only the
by arcturus
Really, it's true that there are bigger things to worry about in the world than a movie, such as world hunger or corporate tyrany. However, the idea that those fans who appreciate a film, (a film like Star Wars, for example,) are dorks, is out-moded, out-dated, childish, and elitist. The aforementioned Phillistines (like some of those posters above, you know who you are) are cultural suppressors, and are the REAL dorks!
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I love the films...but I don
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Jun 10, 2001 6:21:47 PM CDT
Maybe not stupid... But damn, the Star Wars movies are silly som
by wee willie
Mark Hamill's acting in the first half of Star Wars. Lines like "You look strong enough to pull the ears off a gundar". Ewoks? What about the little kid in the Greedo Halloween mask in Episode 1. Or what about some of the buck-ass dumb-looking aliens in the cantina sequence. Or the Emperor enthusiastically ramming his hands forward as animated lightning bolts fly out and 'fry' Luke Skywalker at the end of Jedi. (Ever wonder how silly that footage must have looked before they animated the lightning?) Or what about that hokum about the midichlorians in Episode 1? What about that wacky Jar Jar Binks fella? Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars and all, but Jesus, it's not like it's the Bible, or the Koran, or the sayings of Bhudda. It's pop culture silliness, bordering on camp sometimes (i.e. The Star Wars Xmas special. Sure it's meaningful, but most of the philosophical meaning is borrowed. I admit I know it informs the personal mythology of ever single person who posts on this site, but let's not get carried away. I mean after all, what are we, Trekkies?
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Yoda is gonna rock in Ep2
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Jun 10, 2001 11:42:43 PM CDT
wergh4ree your post was stupid the FIRST time, why repost it twi
by jmyoda
Looser!
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Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY looking forward to LOTR but quit claiming it, The Matrix or anything else is going to topple Star Wars, it ain't gonna happen. Sure TPM was a disappointment for true SW fanatics like myself but it's still better then 99% of the other big-budget films out there including The Matrix (which don't get me wrong, I did enjoy.) Why don't you just go download some pics of Trinity, lock yourself in your filthy bathroom and masturbate to it and quit coming to Star Wars related boards if you don't fucking like Star Wars! We've heard your crap a thousand times... Geesh! Star Wars is still the biggest sci-fi/fantasy franchise on the planet and it always will be, George Lucas has more money then you'll ever see in 50 lifetimes, and it will always be more popular then Star Trek, LOTR and The Matrix combined... NOTHING will ever usurp Star Wars even if George Lucas does the next two movie with hand puppets and a smiley face painted on his hairy butt... NOW GET OVER IT!
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You should all try and get lives.
It's a movie, the next one will be a movie. It won't put food on your table. It won't cure cancer. It will entertain you for a couple of hours and then it will be back to your normal ho hum life.
And yes, Sammy Jackson's head was way to shiny in PM.
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For those of you interested(i.e. everyone reading this) go to http://www.naboonline.com/episode2/storyboard.shtml to get some insight to the major action sequences (these descriptions are real) in EP2. How do I know they're real? Compare them to any official descriptions of what happens and to the quality of camera angles/pans/story to the pictures you've seen in INSIDER or MAGAZINE UK and you'll know.
The one and only Jedi Gerbil out...
P.S. If they're not real? What do I care! It's entertaining and besides, I'm just a freakin' gerbil!
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