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New 33 MB Large QuickTime!!! The New LORD OF THE RINGS Trailer Is Online!!! Um... Click'

Published at: May 24, 2001, 9:34 p.m. CST

Okay... so you want to see something bigger looking than the Real Video file converted to a Quicktime. Well, what I have found for you is a very large 33 meg Quicktime file of the ACCESS HOLLYWOOD screening of the LORD OF THE RINGS trailer... Now the problem here is that Access Hollywood, in typical Television Retarded Dumb Mode, did a tad re-editing and we're missing the last conversation between Viggo and Elijah... BUT... the image quality on the rest of it is VASTLY superior to what we've had available thus far! Want it? Well... Try Here and Here and Here for this 640 by 340 high quality file... Links provided by the most excellent: Tolkien-Movies.Com, and check with them for additional mirrors and their MPEG of the same file! Toodles!

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Ya want Quicktime? Try Here and Here and Here and Here!!! Compliments of Movie-List and Ere2!!! Or if you want the FAAAAANTASTIC (read sarcasm) RealVideo version click below... SHAME ON NEW LINE for not partnering with Quicktime! Argh... damn shitty piece of flung dung Real Video crap! Must have perfect full screen Quicktime version! Get on the ball!













You think that picture is beautiful... you should check out the other at: Herr-der-ringe-film.de!!!! Thanks Cirdan!!!

CLICK HARD AND FAST AND PUT ON DEPENDS! THE WAIT IS GONNA HURT!

Harry here... Here ya go...

Harry,

Just wanted to drop you a line telling you that the WICKED new FOTR trailer is available on TORN.

CLICK HERE TO GO GET IT IN REAL VIDEO

My preciousssssss.............

Cheers, Xoanon

Harry here... now we await the official New Line trailer, which should be coming at any moment today. It will again be Real Video (unfortunately) but the very best that Real Video can be. I have now watched this trailer about 12 times.

I've heard Andy Serkis' Gollum voice in person a couple of times... but when his, "Myyyyyy PPPPRECiouSSSSSSSSSSSsssSSSsss" came out of my computer surround sound... It nearly caused a hershey waterfall... DEAR GOD! DEAR GOD THIS IS THE TRAILER! No 'Mr Voice'! You get a sense of grandeur, scope and horror... There is a sense of foreboding doom and high dramatics... Of something special. This trailer is better than any movie that follows it this weekend.

Now excuse me, I have to continue watching it... And dear God I want my full screen QUICKTIME Copy NOW!

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  • May 24, 2001, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by RyanSW

    They sure are quick aboot getting anything aboot LOTR online these days.

  • May 24, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Bad format

    by VanGoghX

    Can't somebody convert it to a format that can be downloaded easier? Who wants to watch a slow Real Video stream? Grrrrrr!!!

  • May 24, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Hey, Neat.

    by Sgt. Bilko

    Looks pretty good. Haven't read the books, but I'll see the movie, definately. Too bad no Quicktime, eh?

  • May 24, 2001, 9:41 p.m. CST

    As long as New Line spends enough TV money....

    by Wooksie

    ...this could be the biggest movie of all-time. The repeat viewing factor will be the greatest since the original Star Wars.

  • May 24, 2001, 9:42 p.m. CST

    YES!

    by Dark Clown

    I'm not too cool to admit that I got goose bumps watching the trailer. I'm officially excited about seeing this film now.

  • May 24, 2001, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Precious!

    by wuulfgar

    nuff said

  • May 24, 2001, 9:45 p.m. CST

    RealPlayer Sucks

    by Silius

    I tried to watch the small version and I couldn't see shit. When somebody gets a quicktime version let me know.

  • May 24, 2001, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Fuck RealVideo! I want my Quicktime NOW!

    by Lenny Nero

    Besides, I can wait a day and see this in front of PH.

  • May 24, 2001, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Anyone know *when* the official New Line version goes up?

    by ar42

    Right at midnight? Tomorrow morning? Half past three?

  • May 24, 2001, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Hey this is sooo cool ya gotta check it out!

    by bitemefanboy

    Smell my finger!

  • May 24, 2001, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Ow. Ow. Ow.

    by Phat_Cheops

    I just got my ass kicked. Ow. Wow. Now that's a trailer. I LOVE the "There's something down there" line, but I loved even more the fact that they didn't show whatever it was (as if us hardcore fans don't know). Trailers showing too much has been a real problem lately (does anyone really need to see "What's the Worst That Could Happen?" now?), and I'm glad the LOTR trailer didn't go that way. Now, if only they had a quick time version, what with Realplayer sucking all the ass it does.

  • May 24, 2001, 10:07 p.m. CST

    uhhh ohhh ummm ahhh..

    by Wrecks

    ... I've got to go clean myself up ...

  • May 24, 2001, 10:08 p.m. CST

    In the words of Keanu Reeves... Woah.

    by PeterTruth

    My... Prreciousssssss.... That movie is going to be SO great!

  • May 24, 2001, 10:13 p.m. CST

    PERFECT

    by virkku

    That's the only thing I can think of. Acting, cinematography, the FEEL. It's all there. And before somebody starts to whine the lack of big money shots... There isn't any in this. It's just a teaser and we are going to see two more teasers this year, for both LOTR and FOTR. Thank you PJ. Never had a doubt.

  • It makes me think of the crap ass look of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. I'm still not ready to put 100 percent faith in Peter Jackson. Nothing he's done before can really compare to what he's attempting here, in fact, if it wasn't for Heavenly Creatures I'd say he was the last man on earth who should do it. Meet the Feebles and Dead Alive are insane pieces on the opposite end of the cinematic spectrum. If sure hope he pulls LOTR off.

  • May 24, 2001, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Pe$er Ja$$son and Lo$d o$ t$e Rin$s

    by Silius

    Why wait five years down the road, let's just get this over with and start the backlash now. Peter Jackson is trying to make some money making movies while entertaining the public. How dare he try to give us some fun while providing for his family. Who does he think he is? We need to be reminded daily why our lives suck. That is why we need to see more personal "dark" films. Because we all know "dark" = "art" and if you don't like art you are a retard. If you like entertaining, mythic movies like those by hacks such as Spielberg, Lucas, and etc then you shall be known by the film guru wannabe community. You should be ashamed of yourself if you had personal experiences of joy, sadness, laughter, fear while watching movies such as "Jaws", "Star Wars", and "Raiders of the Lost Ark". These were merely primitive emotions being provoked by flashy stimuli. All ye neanderthal come hear the word of the film guru.

  • May 24, 2001, 10:19 p.m. CST

    ooh, that sent chills down my spine...

    by wilko185

    even though it was in the worst..format..EVER, I still somehow got a sense of the epicness of the story....and they haven't shown any of the big FX yet either. Very good sign. Minor departures from the actual book dialogue seem to keep to the right tone. Wish I could have heard Gollum's line properly over my modem, even tho no such thing happened in the book (it's in Moria right?). Oh, and as others have said, good call on getting a non-generic voiceover. This is *not* a run-of-the-mill film, and even the advertising should reflect that.

  • May 24, 2001, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Oh...My...

    by Monkey Lord

    I nearly shat myself..No..wait, correction. I shat myself. "One simply does not walk into Mordor..." WOWOWOWOWOW! Man, if it could get any better than this, I cannot imagine it. Wow. Did anyone else catch the unloaked nazgul!!!!!??? SCARY!! Woohoo! Excellent trailer! Excellent movie! Holy poop!

  • May 24, 2001, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Sweet Jesus...

    by Dr. Smaky-Smak

    I think I just creamed my pants watching that... Foreboding and epic. Awe inspiring. If it looks and sounds that good on my jalopy of a computer, this is going to be fantastic in the theater. If this is anything to judge by (which it indeed should be), these movies are gonna ROKK. Hmm, this is almost enough to make me want to go see Pearl Harbor. *Almost* Suppose I could movie-hop to see the trailer...

  • May 24, 2001, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Shot of Frodo looking down the road

    by LordUndertheMtn

    Maybe it's just me, but it looks as though as Frodo stares down the road, that it distorts to the Unblinking Eye of Sauron.

  • May 24, 2001, 11:04 p.m. CST

    FuXXing REAL!!!

    by ectelion

    I can

  • May 24, 2001, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I didn't know...

    by MrCere

    I didn't know it was possible to orgasm 13 times (is that bad luck) in a two minute time period. MORIA! MY PRECIOUS! HAGGARD GANDOLF! ELIJAH IS FRODO! RINGWRAITHS UNPLUGGED! GALADRIEL EYES CLOSED! YELLOW EYES! STRIDER NOT ARAGORN! RIVENDALE! NO MR. VOICE! I SAW MT F>>>ING DOOM! FRODO ON THE ROAD!FORGING OF THE RING! ....I am spent

  • May 24, 2001, 11:17 p.m. CST

    i NEED a mirror!!!

    by vassilis

    please, someone who has downloaded it... can you just put it somewhere to download it from? my proxy does not allow streaming!! anybody?

  • May 24, 2001, 11:20 p.m. CST

    How come when I want to watch something, the fucking link never

    by Darth Ranik

    Fuck.

  • May 24, 2001, 11:28 p.m. CST

    That's it, I'm getting back in line right now!

    by Isidore

    I thought I could handle the wait, but I can't. Tomorrow I'm camping out again, in front of the theater, waiting to buy my ticket. I'll be number one again! Some may find it sad that I am caving now that I regained my life and dignity, but I don't care. I lived on the streets of Hollywood before. I can do it again. I will need to find a new companion who will hold my place as I go get updates online, but that will not be too dificult. Maybe I can find a girl who is a runaway like me, and pimp her around so I can buy food. Oh wait, that's E V I L. Alright I will just find another toothless, homeless guy. He can scare away that bastard from Australia who was first in line for Episode 1. And so what if leaving the half-way house means I will start hitting the pipe again. I will be first to see the greatest movie ever. Exageration my ass!

  • May 24, 2001, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I hope this helps...

    by virkku

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/cf/video/video.cfm?ID=445427&owner=det. Theonering is not working very well right now, so here is a direct link to real video file.

  • May 24, 2001, 11:29 p.m. CST

    everyone should know by now to watch the entertainment news show

    by jon-e-blaze

  • May 24, 2001, 11:35 p.m. CST

    "everyone" doesn't live in the US

    by wilko185

    and so can't watch AH or ET. Quicktime please! (oh, and it's Rivendell, not Rivendale, not that it matters...)

  • May 24, 2001, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I put a wrong link

    by virkku

    It's rtsp://tannersville-1.real.com/channels/lotr/trailer2.smi

  • May 24, 2001, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Offended

    by Plusm

    As a European (UK) I have no access to theaters showing the trailer and sadly entertainment news is lacking. For the time being it looks like I'll just have to put up with good 'ol real player and the wonderful technology that is streaming. Does anyone detect sarcasm? Fuck Real and the crippled tortoise they rode in on!

  • May 24, 2001, 11:44 p.m. CST

    FUCK REAL PLAYER

    by BatVomit

    Goddammit why the fuck does anyone use Real Player?! It's got to be the shittiest media software on the planet.

  • May 24, 2001, 11:51 p.m. CST

    That score, that marvelous score

    by Mr. Sartre

    I don't know if that was just a temp soundtrack towards the tail end of the trailer, but dammit how I loved that music. It was simply breaktaking and sounded like the perfect epic type music that would convey the feel of Tolkien's work. The trailer is magnificent and, like many others, gave me chills. Hopefully the films will be as good as I'm hoping they are. No, I'm not setting my standards too high. I merely hope that the movie is good... and if being good is too high a standard these days, someone's got to fix that. Take care and sweet dreams from the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie...

  • May 25, 2001, midnight CST

    I *like* Realplayer

    by wilko185

    it turns the trailer into a teaser; no need for spoiler warnings, you can't tell what the fuck is going on anyway. Seriously, is there any dl version on the way? I don't wanna sit thru Pearl Harbor for this. ***Rewatching it, (as well as I can) I love how strong the council of Elrond scenes look. The exposition here is vital to the plot of the whole series. Glad it looks like it isn't being skimmed in order to get to the juicy bits (ie the Cannes footage)

  • May 25, 2001, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Awesome, did you see Sauron at the Last Alliance battle??

    by Red Giant

    WOW! Anyone notice when Gandalf mentioned the Dark Lord Sauron that it SHOWED SAURON in the Second Age? Oh man, pause the frames and look at that friggin' skull helm on him!! Also, I'm not sure that is Legolas flipping in the air like theonring.net's frame-by-frame anaylsis seems to think - I could swear I saw Saurman at the bottom of that shot standing on the floor, so this could be more from the scene where he uses telekinesis to throw Gandalf backwards like in the first teaser. I don't care, I LOVE THIS! Music, shots, pace, eerie. Now I want to see this on the Big Screen tomorrow. Btw, the Access Hollywood version had stupid watermarks on the screen (top and bottom) to make sure we all know it was an "exclusive", and the woman's voice was not only irritating but she fucking TALKED OVER THE FIRST 30 SECONDS OF THE TRAILER - and they cut a few scenes. Better to watch Real Flayer or go to the theatre. ALso, Virkku, can you or someone post a damn link to the file itself for saving locally and not that rtsp horseshit (say, http or ftp please?).

  • May 25, 2001, 12:18 a.m. CST

    still nothing

    by vassilis

    thanks for the link, but it still does not work, because my proxyt doesn't allow rtsp:// sites or whatever.. I waas actually looking for the .rm file, if somwone has it...

  • May 25, 2001, 12:24 a.m. CST

    My god...

    by Anti-fanboy

    even in such a shoddy format...the power of those brief scenes, the hint of so much more to come...Right from the start, PJ's distinctive camerwork complements the story. The cinematography seems wonderfully gritty and realistic, a nice contrast to the fantastical subject matter. Sir Ian McKellen truly IS Gandalf--such grandeur, such gravitas. "It was made in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade." --typically great delivery by Hugo Weaving. It's already December, we're already setting in the theater, the New Line Cinema logo is appearing, and now the screen darkens...this is going to be good...

  • May 25, 2001, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S more like it!!

    by Elliott Ness

    As one of the people who whined about the inadequacy of the first trailer, I gotta admit that this is a major step forward! Everything the first trailer did wrong, this one does right, so maybe somebody took notices of our remarks, eh? All we need now is a new teaser poster and the unfortunate start of LOTR's marketing campaign will soon be forgotten.

  • May 25, 2001, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Sorry...

    by virkku

    Yeah, my link doesn't work worth a fuck. I simply copied and pasted the link from my explorer, but it seems to be more complicated than that. I'm not very pro with technical stuff, sorry. Anyway, I'm sure someone will throw out a quicktime film pretty soon.

  • May 25, 2001, 12:41 a.m. CST

    LOTR Trailer Downloadable

    by Boojiboy

    Hey all, Noticed that The Bastards Have Landed website has a link to a downloadable version of the new LOTR trailer. Can't access the site at the moment, must be very populor, so sont have direct link. -Boojiboy

  • May 25, 2001, 12:43 a.m. CST

    God I'm happy

    by virkku

    Fortunately I have a very fast connection and I have watched the teaser already 20 times. It rules. The last, slightly disappointing teaser is just a memory now. This is EXACTLY how I hoped them to do it. Thank you PJ, thank you New Line.

  • May 25, 2001, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Get it here

    by Dellis

    http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/lotrtrailer/lotr_newli_trail2_320x136_css300.rm

  • May 25, 2001, 12:46 a.m. CST

    It's only 5mb though. Can't be very good qual.

    by Dellis

  • May 25, 2001, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Link

    by Boojiboy

    Whoops forgot the link http://tbhl.theonering.net -Boojiboy

  • May 25, 2001, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Video Quality

    by Boojiboy

    I've downloaded it and it's the same as the high quality stream that theonering site has a link too -Boojiboy

  • I just went blind from having my head so close to the damn screen to make it out and there's a print from my nose next to it. Hopefully there will be another 'super-dooper-grandilomomentous quality' version coming soon. You know, something watchable. <RANT ENDS> Phew, now I have to wipe spittle as well as my nose-print off the monitor. That -- what little I could make out -- looked fucking awesome. Some of the acting may be a little dodgy though....

  • May 25, 2001, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Dellis, the 5mb file *is* the best quality so far

    by Red Giant

    Hope they release a fullscreen-quality rm or better yet JUST GIVE ME A QT PLEASE.

  • May 25, 2001, 1 a.m. CST

    Wow, thats a lot of Talkbacks......

    by Ghibli-San

    damn..........I want Quicktime as well.......since this is my last night in my dorm with a fast connection......shit.......

  • May 25, 2001, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Ok.. Lets start commenting in more detail

    by virkku

    First of all, the new teaser RULED and I would give it either 8/10 or 9/10. I think it will make lot's of non-Tolkien fans excited as well. It's very dark, which is excellent. It gives the impression of a epic without showing any big money shots. That's great. Acting is spot on and the visual are amazing. Teaser has a great dramatic structure. I don't think that any of the music are by Howard Shore, they work very well in the teaser, but doesn't really sound like Shore. In fact the only thing that is not top-notch are the two firework shots... They look a bit too much like CGI. Cali of Theonering complained about this as well after seeins the Cannes footage. But they still might fix that and it's definitely not a major flaw.

  • May 25, 2001, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Fireworks

    by Jonte

    Remember that these are Gandalfs fireworks, so I think they should look rather out of this world or "unrealistic". And I for one can't tell if it is CGI or not from this lo res file =) (It could as well be a composite.)

  • May 25, 2001, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Dellis to President!!!!

    by Lord_Soth

    Thanks, bud, it was good job! And f*ck Realmedia!

  • May 25, 2001, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Well, you cna forget about getting to any LotR sites for the nex

    by Red Giant

    The server load is incredible just to get to the main theonering.net page. I did get into the discussion board once (which took 8 minutes), long enough to see everyone screaming and blabbering about the trailer. You think the TB people are gushers, sheesh...This movie will make >200 million by New Year's Day. And I am just talking about the U.S. screens.

  • May 25, 2001, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Glad I downloaded those Sauron stills...

    by MattO

    ...'cause TORN is really locking up, even at 6 AM EST. The trailer looked great. I don't like it when they change the dialogue (I think the audience should be challenged, not talkied down to), but overall, it looks great.

  • May 25, 2001, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Realtime sucks

    by DrX

    I cant see it. All that happened was i kept getting asked to download the same piece of software. Im using a G4 mac so i shouldnt have to put up with this! Whens the quicktime one coming out? Soon I hope.

  • May 25, 2001, 3:03 a.m. CST

    FANTASTIC !!!

    by Matt

    WOW it looks great, but i hate the realmedia File. REAL PLAYER SUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, just give us the good ol

  • May 25, 2001, 3:20 a.m. CST

    "I am Jack's drool-coated Star Wars underoos!"

    by Nocturnaloner

    Hey, whaddya know: http://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/down.shtml

  • May 25, 2001, 3:40 a.m. CST

    To be fair to RealPlayer/RealVideo ...

    by Ioreth

    It

  • May 25, 2001, 3:52 a.m. CST

    You can download it, so get your arses in gear!

    by Plusm

    Go to the link above and download the trailer immediately. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? GET GOING!!!!!!!

  • May 25, 2001, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Willow 2

    by ccefoladvd

    Crap !!! Who Cares... Give me a "Jay and Silent Bob" Trilogy.

  • May 25, 2001, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Willow 2

    by ccefoladvd

    Crap !!! Who Cares... Give me a "Jay and Silent Bob" Trilogy.

  • May 25, 2001, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Buggerbuggerbugger!

    by sargiedan

    AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I HATE ALL OF YA! I only get to use the PC at work, and it won't run Realplayer or even Quicktime!!! Please, somebody stick it somewhere just in plain ole' MPEG for the techno-deprived! MPEG's the only video format our work's PC's will run! Rotten B*st*rds!!

  • May 25, 2001, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Dammit!

    by sargiedan

    AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I HATE ALL OF YA! I only get to use the PC at work, and it won't run Realplayer or even Quicktime!!! Please, somebody stick it somewhere just in plain ole' MPEG for the techno-deprived! MPEG's the only video format our work's PC's will run! Rotten B*st*rds!!

  • Im guessing some dumb fuck over at Newline marketing thought they were top shit when they jovialy walked into their bosses office and gleefully explained this "Great! - Deal with Real Networks".. But guess what... that same dumb fuck, his boss and all the cock sucking wanna be fucking morons over at RealNetworks have just become the Number 1: Most hated group of people on the internet... nahh ..erase... rewind change to the PLANET!!!... WHY because we (i.e. the people... that actually go to movies.. pay for tickets...) have no time to download half arsed lame attempts of a media format. But the dumb fuck might say... "But we have a Real Networks channel, the over a million people use the technology its great exposure..." -- I say... FUCK OFF you do.!!!!, have you ever actually tried to get it to work... heres how it works, you install Real Player, (Real Player consecuently programs Windows to crash ever half hour from there on in). You eventually remove the 30 odd other shitty programs that get installed along the way... (HEY IF WE WANT TO LISTEN TO MP3Z WELL USE WINAMP, IF WE WANT TO DOWNLOAD FILES WE WILL USE GOZILLA, IF WE WANT TO WATCH ONLINE VIDEO WELL USE QUICKTIME), it seems that RealNetworks have a "solution" for everything... except writing high quality software. Anyway I digress, once Realplayer is installed and the poor bastard (i.e. ME ) tries to run the FOTR footage, it pops up this nice little box that says "Fuck Off, must connnect to RealNetwork servers and upgrade your software...!!!", *FUCK YOU REAL NETWORKS, WRITE FUCKING COMPLETE PROGRAMS IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE....*, once this has completed, 200k by the way - what a pointless excuse for an upgrade, another message pops up... RealPlayer must now shut down.... SO FRICKIN WHAT HURRY UP ALREADY...!!!!!, then another YOUR COMPUTER HAS PERFORMED AN ILLEGAL OPERATION.>>> EXPLORER HAS CREATED A FATAL FUCKING EXCEPTION ... REALNETWORKS IS A FUCKING GPFUCKING FFFFF!!!!!...,,, please restart your computer, pay more money towards your telco to reconnect to the fucking internet!!!!!! Now obviously not many people give a flying shit about what I have to say... but heres a hint Newline... if somebody is annoyed enough to write a complaint this long, any respectable company would do something about it!!!! Thats fucking right, I would like a Quicktime Version dowloadable in the next 24 hours.... im not the only one,, 1 million users out there probably want the same thing... :) HINT fucking HINT...

  • May 25, 2001, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I wonder if I could break into a cinema?

    by Sepulchrave

    On the plus side, little ole irish me is lucky enough to be stateside, so I'll be able to see this in a cinema. On the other hand, I've no quicktime, nor (vile, ridiculous) realplayer, so here I am, insomniac at 3.30 am and again literally nauseous with desire for yet another (heaping) helping of Middle earth. Somebody help me, please...I want my life back..

  • May 25, 2001, 5:43 a.m. CST

    well, the trailer certainly looks brown

    by astrodog

    but overall this is good stuff. and viggo is perfect. bring it on, Pete !

  • May 25, 2001, 5:50 a.m. CST

    wow

    by FatWilllie

    I am so impressed by this trailer. It's all I've been dreaming of ever since I first heard about this project. It is now evident that this movie will absolutely fucking rule for anyone that has experienced the magic of this story. It remains to be seen whether they got the narrative right, or how extensively they depicted the world Tolkien created, or even how well acted it will be. But at least there are some beatiful depictions of scenes I've sat around imagining for hours and hours of my life. This is magic. This trailer contains some of the dark and foreboding imagery, the evil and suspense of the whole thing (the classic PJ trademark lense close-ups of Frodo and Gandalf, the riders with the sun streaming through the tree in the weird negative sight of the dark world of the ring, the Moria shots and the perfect intonation of "Precioussss..." But then there's also the flashy cinematic bliss that will make the audiences cheer. The big battles, the CGI nazgul, the fireworks. I was afraid it would be all this, and no dark tone. But they've accomplished it. Some epic shots, but not giving away their real money shots. Just fucking perfect. I am amazed. I am blown away. I can't stop giggling with glee. And it's not often that I giggle with glee.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Only two words

    by fladnaG

    HOLY SHIT!! I hate to start gushing about this but HOLY SHIT. The footage was great and it was nice to hear some actual dialogue and the accents. What made it for me though was when you heard gollum say "my preciousssssss". Sent fucking shivers down my spine. Some people will say that this movie will only appeal to us geeks. To that I say bullshit. Even the average joe six pack is going to be pumped up to see this thing in December. Oh December why must you be so far away. I give this trailer 9/10. The fireworks were kinda cheesy. oh well that can easily be forgiven. Go PJ.

  • May 25, 2001, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Advice, please

    by pedant

    I've only read Lord of the Rings once, and that was nearly ten years ago. I want to reread it in anticipation of the movies, but I worry that if the books are too fresh in my mind, the movie might suffer a little bit by comparison, and I don't want to be disappointed. So should I read them now, or should I wait until 2004?

  • May 25, 2001, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson is GOD

    by Bluntmatt

    Nuff' said

  • May 25, 2001, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Nada

    by Uga

    I ain't tryin' to pick a fight or nothing, but as a guy who hasn't read the books, that trailer did absolutely nothing for me. And they're really going to have to do a better job at getting people like me in the theater. I'm more excited about "Jurassic Park III" at this point, even though I know I should know better.

  • May 25, 2001, 6:12 a.m. CST

    holee shit

    by krakmunky

    HOLEEE SHIT I THINK EVEN NON-RING FANS ARE GONNA BE JUMPING TO SEE THIS MOVIE. IT LOOKS FRIGGIN AMAZING THERE ARE SUBTLE EFFECTS IN ALMOST EVERY SCENE!!!!! FORGET STAR WARS IM CAMPING OUT TO GET THESE TICKETS. WHO SHALL JOIN ME?

  • May 25, 2001, 6:21 a.m. CST

    thanks Dellis!!

    by twan_deeth_ree

    Thanks for posting that link to the 5MB file. Kicked ass. Now excuse me whilst I go and change my shorts.

  • May 25, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST

    GLORY GLORY GLORY!

    by Pippin's Diamond

    Dammit, I have WORK to do! Confounded trailer is simply spellbinding! I love you, PJ!

  • May 25, 2001, 6:30 a.m. CST

    on further inspection

    by FatWilllie

    On further inspection, there are some things that scare me a bit. In that almost posed looking shot of the fellowship where its the hobbits and Gimli in front, and the Men, Legolas, and Gandalf behind, just standing there like they're posing for a photo, the hobbits look REALLY small. A lot smaller than the others. That's ok, except that in other shots, they don't look nearly as small compared to the others. But what really worries me about that shot is Gimli. I always imagined Gimli as being really huge and strong, if short. Dwarves were, I thought, maybe midway in height between hobbits and men, but I always imnagined them being stout as hell. Like almost as wide as they are tall. And there, Gimli looks puny. He looks like Boromir could easily kick his ass. I always figured dwarves and men to be about equally matched, even maybe dwarves having the upper hand. Oh, and by the way, I love the look of Orthanc. That ancient, ghosts in a forgotten church look. Well, wow.

  • May 25, 2001, 6:33 a.m. CST

    oh, and another thing

    by FatWilllie

    The Fellowship Of The Ring comes out on my 19th birthday. What a fucking awesome birthday present.

  • May 25, 2001, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Trailer in various formats ... halleluja ... :-).

    by Snulle

    http://www.tolkien-movies.com/media/officialtrailers.shtml Check it out before it disappears ... I will try and mirror them later.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:01 a.m. CST

    real-ly shit

    by subvertnormality

    i just wanted in on the Real-bashing. Quicktime rules.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Perfect!

    by moviet00l

    I wanted to see the frame-by-frame analysis, but TORN is impossible to get to (11:05 EST), imagine that. Truly, I cannot wait for December. I haven't been this excited to see a movie since I was 12 and the Transformers movie came out. I shudder to think what we would have gotten had Miramax prevailed and shoehorned this epic into one movie, or even two. Imagine the horror if Disney had gotten their ridiculous hands on this property. I still won't say "I told you so" to those who balked at PJ's ability to pull this off - the movie might still stink, after all - but after this trailer, I feel better than ever about it. Excuse me, I have to go watch it again and pay more attention to the score this time.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Glory and Trumpets!!

    by Penny Dreadful

    I don't even know why you people bother with Real crap. Although, Access Hollywood-where I saw it-must be the worst thing on TV. It's like Real Player as a TV show. Gads--when the trailer started that IDIOTIC woman was talking!!!! I thought she'd talk through the whole darn thing in that STUPID voice!! Oh, the price we pay for these things!;) But yes, it seriously was amazing, especially since that's the first time I've heard Gollum. It was a good thing I was already sitting down or I'd have a sore tailbone right now. Elijah looked positively beautiful as Frodo, he really did. And Legolas!! I could go on about him for days...and seeing Arwen and Aragorn kiss--bless them!! But the BEST thing was seeing the words appear on the ring in Frodo's hand, that was just amazing. Well, I can't wait for tonight when I can see it the way it's supposed to be seen, in the dark with no stupid people talking! ***Isidore-LOL. I live on the opposite coast and they're are plenty of bums for you over here!

  • May 25, 2001, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Mirror of the Frame by Frame

    by Calisuri2001

    Hey guys, yeah, TORn is getting crushed today. I guess we hsould rethink this 'not making money' thing and buy bandwidth! Anyway...check out this mirror of our frame by frame: http://www.geocities.com/calisuri2/fotr_trailer01.html

  • May 25, 2001, 9:08 a.m. CST

    To people not familiar with the trilogy, the phrase "Myyyyy prre

    by Terry_1978

    And it's gonna last way longer than that "you are the weakest link" line.

  • May 25, 2001, 9:10 a.m. CST

    SHUT UP SHUT UP ALL OF YOU!!!

    by marlborogreens

    I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE LIGHTSABERS! DAMN IT! I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE THEM SWORDS LIGHT UP WITH MAGIC BUT NOOOO, PK HAS TO HAVE ALL THESE PRETTY RINGS THAT GLOW WITH SOME LAVA LAMP POWER BUT THE SWORDS ARE LIKE NOTHING. I'D BET ANYTHING THE SWORDS IN THE LORD OF THE RINGS MYTHOLOGY WERE SUPPOSED TO GLOW BY MAGIC INFUSED WITHIN THEM BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF IT. NOO SOMEONE HAD TO MAKE THEM OUT OF PEWTER. SUX!

  • May 25, 2001, 9:14 a.m. CST

    FRIGGIN AAAA!

    by marlborogreens

    EVEN CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON HAD A GREEN DESTINY SWORD THAT WHEN THE LIGHTS WERE TURNED OFF GLOWED LIKE A PRETTY LIGHTSABER! ALL I AM SAYING IS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MYTHOLOGY MOVIES DEALING WITH SWORDS AT LEAST MODEL THEM OFF OF SOMETHING THAT IS TO BE THE MOST CANONICAL, AHEM, STAR WARS!

  • May 25, 2001, 9:23 a.m. CST

    THE OFFICIAL SITE JUST POSTED THE TRAILER!

    by film snob

    Lordofhterings.net has the trailer up and running!

  • May 25, 2001, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Now we must be really worried...

    by Sith Warrior

    ...worried for all the other films coming out around Christmas! This is one of the best trailers I have ever seen! If there is someone out there who is not interested in this film after seeing that and thinks it will suck etc..., you must be one of the most jaded,cynical,negative people in the world. I can't wait to see this film! 7 whole months to go! The only negative thing at the moment is that the official site has put up the trailer in streaming format only, and it will only be downloadable from next week...This means we won't be seeing a QT version for some time, what with New Line's deal with Satan...I mean Real Networks. Download this version now, the quality is the same as the streaming version on the official site. New Line will probably pull the downloadable version from the web, so you'll have to search hard to find it later. marlborogreens, shut the hell up!

  • May 25, 2001, 9:33 a.m. CST

    AS LUKESKYWALKER WOULD SAY

    by marlborogreens

    WHEN HE DISCOVERED THAT HIS FATHER WAS DARTH VADER, "NOOOOOOOOO, THAT'S NOT TRUE, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, NOOOOOO, NOOOOOOOO, NOOOOOOOO!" WHY WON'T ANYONE SIDE WITH ME! THOSE SWORDS ARE TIGHT BUT THEY DON'T GLOW WITH POWER! WHAT RINGS? WITH THREE RINGS YOU CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD? WHOOOO! THAT IS DUMB. SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS TO ME, WITH THE RED DRAGON ROD YOU CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD! DANDADAR GO FETCH THE MAP TO THIS ROD AND THEN GO FETCH THE ROD TO ME!

  • May 25, 2001, 9:37 a.m. CST

    DOWNLOAD THE TRAILER FROM HERE!

    by virkku

    http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/lotrtrailer/lotr_newli_trail2_320x136_css300.rm. Someone already posted this link, but here it is again. Youn can SAVE this to your computer, so you can watch it without loading it from the net at same time. BTW, Ian's voiceover RULES! Thank god they didn't use Mr. Voiceover.

  • May 25, 2001, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Stupid sowrd questions:)

    by EmperorCaligula

    Don't worry, Frodo's sword will glow, it was reported after seeing the Cannes screening :p

  • May 25, 2001, 9:43 a.m. CST

    OH WHAT A BIG MAN YOU ARE! Let me buy you a pack of gum so I ca

    by marlborogreens

    stupid question? no no no, this is pure fan excitement and enjoyment with plausible critisism, appraisal shall come later, but first lets bash this movie sarcastically to the ground to have some fun, christ we all know this movie will beat Star Wars, am I right on this one?

  • May 25, 2001, 9:44 a.m. CST

    WOAAHH..

    by frinker

    This is going to so rock the movie industry. Damnit six more months... =(

  • May 25, 2001, 10:01 a.m. CST

    That ruled!! . . .

    by wildphantom99

    Whoever set up that angelfire link above is a god. Brilliant quality considering the crap we had to endure when the last trailer got released. Have to say that has to be the best damn trailer I've ever seen. It was the little things that got me like them getting into their boats at Lothlorien - exactly how I'd imagined it when I read it. Pearl Harbor arrives in the UK on Thursday with this baby attached - I'm so there!!

  • May 25, 2001, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Amen KevinPhillipsBong.

    by Monkey Lord

    I totally understand, and completely agree with you on every single level of every point you made. Truly, these movies are a childhood dream come to life, and it truly moves me. Thank you, PJ, so much.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:15 a.m. CST

    TALKBACKERS WE HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT

    by THE PROFESSOR

    lotr rules!THIS IS REAL MOVIE MAKING RIGHT HERE! BUT- dont go see pearl harbor to see the trailer-SCREW THE DISNEY BASTARDS-dont go see pearl harbor!please.its not even the story of pearl harbor people! dont give them your money,its just the titanic set at a different time! listen to me.Disney is brainwashing people.ahhhhhhh

  • May 25, 2001, 10:15 a.m. CST

    an IQ test for America

    by devil0509

    Okay, folks. Two major epic type pictures - FOTR and Pearl Harbor. One of which has a great story, while the other has a piece of shit story. Which will do more damage at the box office...given the utter stupidity of the American public as a whole...I think Pearl Harbor. But that FOTR trailer was phenomenal, and I for one am very excited to see what Peter Jackson's done with this wonderful story.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Nnnnoooooooooo!!!!!!

    by ManWithPlan

    Its not fair!!! I downloaded the trailer, installed RP and it wont play properly!!!! Piece of cr@p!!! I get the sound fine but just about no picture, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!! ... or quicktime ;) C.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Which movies have the trailer with them?

    by Diabolo42

    Can anybody tell me which movies this trailer will be preceding? I too despise realplayer, and I want to see the trailer for the first time in the best quality possible, so i've been holding off on downloading it. I'd much rather see it in the theater, to get the full impact. Don't know which movies will have it though.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:32 a.m. CST

    devil0509

    by EvilMcSatan

    Leave it to an ignorant asshole fuck-head like you to turn a talkback on the Lord of the Rings trailer into a bigoted slam on Americans. Go fuck your mother (after I've finished with her).

  • May 25, 2001, 10:38 a.m. CST

    P.S.:

    by EvilMcSatan

    RealPlayer sucks.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:51 a.m. CST

    re: advice on re-reading LOTR

    by Henry Jones Jr.

    It had been 15 years since I had read LOTR, but when I heard they were making this trilogy and started seeing pictures from the set, I decided to re-read the books. I wanted to enjoy the images my imagination produced before the ones in the movies became "burned in." (because I'll probably see them all several times, and then get the DVDs. (there will be DVDs right?)) However, if you don't remember much from the books, you may want to wait till after the movies- and then all the surprises and twists and turns would be fresh and enjoyable in the movies. You can always read them a thrid time after you see all three movies. There is a good chance I'll do that.

  • May 25, 2001, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Right on, KevinPhilipsBong

    by Rawhkey

    I cant agree more with you about having a love for all these movies. I dont know why some feel they can only like one movie, and hate all the rest. At the least, even those people who dont like Episode 1 or the Matrix can rejoice at one aspect. When Episode 2 comes out, a whole bunch of other cool movies are going to be released too. Next summer won't be a normal summer. Nor will any summer when a new Star Wars episode is released. And even though LOTR will be released a few months before, it will probably be in theaters still and you'll be able to buy tickets, seeing how it'll probably be sold out for a few months ala Titanic. As to this trailer...it looks ok. I kinda like it when it's more dark. Showing a bright sunny field and such, even though its in the book, I always felt this Tolkien realm should be a bit darker. But, trailers aren't to be of concern. I saw the boys on E! or something the other night. They were all huddled around Mr. Jackson and they were singing a tune. And by Sauron! They were all in tune! They could have been a barbershop quartet. That's awesome. rawhkey

  • May 25, 2001, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Everyone's favorite scene from Trailer 2?

    by TheLastRomantic

    I too was duly impressed by the awesome sights and sounds of LOTR/Fellowship's Trailer 2 -- I'd like to know what favorite scene(s) particularly stand out to everyone. For me, the most important/assuring scene was how natural the 4 hobbits looked in stature when standing before the rest of the Nine Walkers (I believe this scene takes place at Elrond's Council). A fleeting moment to be sure, but one now indelibly pressed upon my gradually acknowledging psyche. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PETER JACKSON -- WE BELIEVE IN YOU!

  • May 25, 2001, 11:20 a.m. CST

    wow...

    by rogerboxlightner

    my favorite character is gollum so I have to say that hearing the "my precious" sent chills down my spine as well. This looks like it was handled as darkly as it should be, and not as any surprise from mr. jackson. I think most directors would try to make it all colorful and pretty. especially FOTR, which has more landscape desriptions than any of the other books. I can't wait to see it. On the subject of real player: Quicktime is far superior. I spent two years doing real player encoding for the web, for a living. It sucks so many levels of shit. Bill gates and his Wintel buddies do everything that they can to keep everyone using their crap, not only at the expense of those who choose other platforms, but even to the complete inconvenience of those who opt to go PC. It sucks too because everyone uses PC's. It kind of makes me feel the same as when I ask someone if they ever saw that movie, 'Bad Boys' and they say "Yeah Martin Lawrence is Da' Bomb".

  • May 25, 2001, 11:25 a.m. CST

    link

    by MadMadigan

    When I had some trouble getting to the trailer through the main page and Harry's link, I surfed over to Darkhorizons.com, they have a link to German page with several paths to trailer. I got it downloaded and playing right away. I think the link I used was www.wbof.de/filearchiv/herrderringetrailer.ram Nothing against AICN, which I love, I just think the net's a little overrun right now... Anyway, hope it helps someone see the trailer.

  • May 25, 2001, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I taped it off Access Hollywood this morning! Hooray!

    by Pippin's Diamond

    YES! I was able to really see it frame by frame and notice all the little details. Truly superb trailer PJ and crew put together. There are scenes I can't place, though. Like Aragorn unsheating his sword, Calisuri thinks it might be at Weathertop or something, but by then Anduril was still Narsil. And Frodo putting on the Ring, the way it's edited it seems as if he was putting it on when he's hiding from the Black Rider. Not to mention Elijah Wood totally sounding/looking like Bakshi's Frodo when he says "There's something down there" (or maybe I'm just hallucinating?). Not that I'm complaining, I'm just pondering said mysteries. The only thing I'm not sure I like is those damn orcs in Moria, they move like they were kidnapped right from the set of The Mummy Returns! Other than that it's great and I can't get enough of it. My preciousss! The biggest enigma to me now is WHERE IS THAT FANTASTIC MUSIC FROM? Is it Shore's score? I must know!

  • May 25, 2001, 11:40 a.m. CST

    33MB MPEG FILE AVAILABLE!!!

    by virkku

    www.tolkien-movies.com

  • May 25, 2001, 11:40 a.m. CST

    This movie will sink "Titanic"

    by Dark Predator

    At long last a movie that all can enjoy and see over and over again, not just pathetic teenage girls wanting to see Dicapio slide his hand down the back window of a car. Seriously, I think I will go to this movie more than once on opening weekend! I haven't really paid any attention to LOTR news since the first trailer. This movie will revolutionize movies just as Citizen Kane did.

  • May 25, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Re:Everyone's favorite scene from Trailer 2?

    by Pippin's Diamond

    It's not humanly possible just to name one, if you ask me! How about two? One would be the scene of the Fellowship at the Council, the way the Hobbits look like they were born tiny...it's awesome. And two, the scene where the Fellowship is surrounded by their enemies (in Moria, I think) talk about a great scene! And then there's that great scene where the Balrog appears behind Gimli, not to mention the scene where Sauron says "Mwahahahaha" and then a cloakless Witch King to his left says "yes'm" and then the look on Pippin's face as he claims the Ring for himself after Frodo and Sam are captured by Saruman's pod-racing Uruk-Hai! Okay, I'm done. Who's next?

  • May 25, 2001, 12:04 p.m. CST

    where is it? where is it?

    by Mikuji

    I want it damnit! i don't want rtsp:// whatever stuff, or .smi files, i want just a simple high quality non-streaming realmedia file, to tide me over until the quicktimes and the mpegs start flowing. Goddamnit, it's 6am local time where i am, and i've been up all night refreshing my LOTR webpage, and now i'm still watching the cruddy 5 meg version! And don't mention tolkien-movies.com's mpeg version, that's not working for me, i'm sure there's 800,000 people trying to log onto that FTP at the same time as me. Somebody please give us a quicktime or non-streaming high quality version!! *cries*

  • May 25, 2001, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I hate you all!

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    The bloody computers at my university won't let me install realplayer - the bastards. I NEED A QUICKTIME VERSION!!!!!! VERY SOON!!!! All university programmers must die!! ARGH! - I wish I had some patience!!!

  • May 25, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    quite the lovely trailer but we need Quicktime now

    by BatVomit

    The crappy Real Player software makes everything look like you are viewing it through diarreah laden toilet water, but despite all that the trailer was really awesome! It was very forboding and I loved Gollum's voice. Ian McKellan's voiceover was awesome too! A lot of people complained about the generic "Mr Voiceover" on the first trailer so it looks like someone actually listened. Now if someone will listen to all of us who are wanting a Quicktime version....

  • May 25, 2001, 12:38 p.m. CST

    It. Is. So. Good.

    by Sylvia Simon

    Ohhhh - and me without my Depends. When Gollum hissed out "preciousssss" I got a chill! My AOL player has the trailer all fuzzy, but the sound is fine. Even though I dream of RealPlayer, I watched it 10 times already. Gotta go - need more viewings...must summon roommate....

  • May 25, 2001, 12:47 p.m. CST

    ughhh... passing out

    by Mikuji

    I'm gonna pass out.. i need sleeep.. people, if there isn't a better version of this brilliant piece of video mentioned in this talkback when i awaken from a long awaited slumber, there's gonna be hell to pay, i'll get morgoth on all your asses, you'll be praying to illuvatar by the end of it.. speaking of which.. how much background are we gonna get? we know we'll see the last alliance, but will we see any of Tolkien's creation story with the songs and discord etc? too much thinking.. well. I hear people moving around here, waking up, so i think i'm gonn..... zzzzzzZZzzZZzzzzz. Only gonna get a few hours sleep anyway. Gotta tape Entertainment Tonight (well, entertainment lunch, it screens at 11am. catch you all in 5 hours. I'm gonna be dreaming of a blurry host of orcs chasing me through a blurry forest, and hopefully there'll be scantily clad elven chicks too... mmm... and no gollum. someobdy makes flappy feet noises here, they'll die. g'night/morning ringers.

  • May 25, 2001, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I Just Shit Myself

    by Thurin

    www.movie-list.com have it in quicktime!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 25, 2001, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Ah-ha!!!

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    After some deft computer tricks I have now seen it!!!!! Fuck the university! What a piece of shit Realplayer is! The trailer is amazing (what I could make out through the blur). Is that Sauron in battle in the flashback near the beginning?? Hope so!

  • May 25, 2001, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Its in quicktime!!!!

    by Thurin

    www.movie-list.com Fuck RealMedia right in the ass with a quicktime pole

  • May 25, 2001, 1:23 p.m. CST

    QUICKTIME VERSION!

    by Sir Pops-O-Lot

    The QUICKTIME VERSION IS here: http://scoobysnack5.tripod.com/mypersonalsite/lotr2.mov happy HUNTING! GOD DAMN IT LOOKS COOL! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • May 25, 2001, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Yes! Quicktime version rules!!!

    by elwen

    I resisted watching this AMAZING trailer on that piece of shit real video. The quicktime version is good, but we still need the official one in Full Screen. The trailer rocks and the movie will rock!!

  • May 25, 2001, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I need that music

    by Thurin

    Jesus God In Hell that music rocks. jesus god someone tell me is that Howard Shore??? If it is it sounds like he's finally pulled his finger out.

  • May 25, 2001, 1:46 p.m. CST

    That is NOT Quicktime you idiot!!

    by Macleod

    THAT is just a REAL PLAYER file converted to Quicktime, so it is actually INFERIOR! I just compared the two and the Real is much better. Stucks, but still better.

  • May 25, 2001, 2 p.m. CST

    realplayer with a cable modem

    by the chad

    Aside from a few motion artifacts, my realplayer streamed at 300 kpbs. and never once broke up. Maybe you should stop dialing up and get a broadband connection. And that my fellow watchers is what rules all!!!

  • May 25, 2001, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Yes, what IS Shore's progress with the score?

    by TheLastRomantic

    I agree with Thurin -- does anyone know what/how Shore is progressing with the film's score. We all know how important music will be to these films -- I yearn for a sound track on par with William's first Star Wars (or Poledoris' Conan track). Remember what it was like the very first time you heard it?!!! hOLY cHIT! THAT'S the feeling I want, damn it! Once I slip that silky cd in and the sounds of Arda emerge I want to lose all conscious thought of this base, mortal realm we call Earth (some call it Purgatory). I want to melt in pastoral pleasure as I give myself over to the sounds of Middle Earth. I need to know. We all need to know.

  • May 25, 2001, 2:35 p.m. CST

    the more i see it the more i love it

    by THE PROFESSOR

    i just cant stop watching this.it really fits the books,ive read the books many times, and i have to say its exactly how i see it!THE NEW MARKETING TEAM AT NEW LINE WAS A GODSEND, they did a great job.

  • May 25, 2001, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Help me! I can't stop watching it!

    by ar42

    The music in the middle sounds vaguely reminiscent of Lynch's Dune... but yeah, it's all damn cool! None of it sounds familiar... I wonder if Shore recorded it along with the stuff for Cannes? Wow, though. Just, wow. I might sneak into Pearl Harbor to see it... I can't bear this RealVideo much longer...

  • May 25, 2001, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Quicktime

    by fvc

    The Real version is WAY better than the quicktime one... Damn! When are we getting a REAL (eheheh) Quicktime version?? Full screen and all...

  • May 25, 2001, 3:03 p.m. CST

    fav scenes

    by ar42

    I love Peter Jackson. I loved him before the Rings project was announced, ever since I saw "The Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures." And my favorite thing was all those PJ shots.... Elijah being whipped around by Gandalf... that tilting tracking shot of Frodo on the path with the leaves. Know that this is going to be a Peter Jackson movie just makes it so much better. If he can really manage to pull that off... which it looks like he's done... that could be the key to its success. So many big-budget effects movies are bland in style, because the director was so worried about managing everything he didn't have the time or desire to do anything stylistically interesting with it. If LOTR can do that, then that right there is what will seperate it from The Mummy Returns etc. ...........You know what's the worst, though? You think waiting sucks right now... just wait until the day after you see "Fellowship." :-)

  • May 25, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST

    TPM sucks

    by zacdilone

    Nobody had said that yet.

  • May 25, 2001, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Harry the digital compression expert.

    by human2

    What are Harry and all you jerkwads losing your panties about? Quicktime isn't somehow inherently more magical than Realmedia. Different compression formats offer different advantages and disadvantages. Apparnetly the LOTR website wanted a smaller file to reduce bandwidth usage. A Quicktime movie at the same bandwidth as that Realvideo would look just as crappy. Fucken idiots.

  • May 25, 2001, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Harry I'm begging you

    by bran317

    Find out where that music came from.(Please God let it be Shore's)

  • May 25, 2001, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Music

    by WinkinBlinkinNod

    If only it was Shore's Music. Unfortunately it's not... The very beginning (the shot of the River Anduin) is from Jerry Goldsmith's "13th Warrior"; just a few notes from that. It then deftly blends into something I'm unfamiliar with (nice production value). The powerful ending music, after Gollum's "My Preceiousss" bit is unmistakeably from "The Power of One" by Hans Zimmer. I believe it's from the track called "Mother Africa - Reprise". Sorry to disappoint you guys but we could only be so lucky to hear Shore's stuff. If you want an approximation of what his Moria sequence might sound like, listen to "The Cell: Main Theme. Track One"...

  • May 25, 2001, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Dont worry about Shore...

    by virkku

    Everyone who saw the Moria sequence at Cannes thought that the the music was perfect. The reason why Shore is so underrated is the fact that he makes music which works on the BACKGROUND. He doesn't do hitsongs like Williams. So don't expect a catchy theme song which you can whistle along. The music of Shore builds emotions and atmospheres instead of catchy melodies. I'm sure he will make very cool stuff for these movies.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:39 p.m. CST

    RE: My favorite scene

    by MrCere

    To me the biggest payoff in the new trailer was the one moment when it realllly sllllooowwed down. It is the shot of Frodo (I mean Elijah) when he says, "Nobody knows it is here....do they Gandolf?" I think that despite all the reportedly other fine work that has gone into this, if Frodo isn't JUST right, the film will fail to meet my high hopes and expectations. Elijah pretty much hasta carry the film. ANybody noticed how damn scrawny he is when he is out on publicity shots? I wonder if The One Movie will forever brand him as "Frodo."

  • May 25, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    That pic ROCKS!

    by virkku

    The picture above is on of the coolest still shots I have ever seen from any movie. And the same scene in the teaser rocks as well.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    the trailer...

    by dengreg31

    Hi all..just saw "Pearl Harbor"..the trailer on the big screen is amazing. PH was pretty crappy..the battle scenes didn't even really do it for me.. Big time case of wrong director matched to project..oh well. My boss' friend out in LA saw some completed CGI and he told my friend that it was absolutely sensational. Completely realistic. So I think the shots in the trailer still might be touched up..don't worry. I think Peter is going to do a great job.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:54 p.m. CST

    My Top 3 Moments

    by Plusm

    1) "My precioussssss." 2) "Nobody knows it's here... do they Gandalf?" 3) Galadriel and Frodo standing over the mirror. I've shown the trailer to a whole bunch of my non-geek friends - they fucking love it. Look's like Jackson is right on the money.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:56 p.m. CST

    And so it comes to pass...

    by FingersMaguire

    Those opening shots of Frodo in bagend are classic PJ, traceable right back to Bad Taste, his first film. His style remains in place and yet the granduer and scope is huge. At last after all this waiting we have a real idea of what it will look like and I can find no fault. The man is a legend say no more.

  • May 25, 2001, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Can't Decide!

    by Plusm

    Er, and then there's the scene where the Ringwraith is sniffing for the hobbits, and the shot of the Nazgul uncloaked, and what about the bit where Gandalf is flung into the air by Saruman...

  • May 25, 2001, 6:46 p.m. CST

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWn

    by inthetrenches

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • May 25, 2001, 6:47 p.m. CST

    2 cents . . .

    by Tolzea

    Hello all. I just came back from seeing Pearl Harbor (uugghh!! mildly horrid stuff). Whoever posted before me about seeing it on the big screen is totally correct. It rocked on the big screen. I was blown away, even after spending that morning watching the trailer I had just downloaded in Real Player. A couple of people from this messageboard have posted links to the direct, saveable download (5 mb) and that is what I have. It can be grainy, but it is just good until we have our Quicktime. I LOVE THIS TEASER! This is really really cool. Yes, there are some shots that don't look quite finished, but they have another 5 or 6 months to finish. I'm confident of their capabilities. Later . . . P.S. Screw RealPlayer to a post under water!

  • May 25, 2001, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Quicktime! Realplayer! Quicktime! Realplayer! My side! Your side

    by SethShandor

    oh shut up already Stark... At least Coming Attractions had the kindness of heart to put up some stills for us non-video people! Thanks Coming Attractions!!! I thought maybe Harry would start since he kindly threw up some A.I. ad stills, but alas, screw the fools like me who can't afford the finer things... As for all the Ring hoopla... Never read the books. Only saw the teaser trailer, and it didn't get me dying to see it, in fact, looked kinda boring. Maybe this trailer (whenever I get to see it) will get me more excited about it.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Evil McSatan

    by devil0509

    I am an American, shithead, born in Bethesda, Maryland at the US Naval Hospital into a military family to a father who served through two wars, and I've served my country myself, so you are the dumbass for making an assumption like that. As much as I love this country, I am frequently annoyed by the profound stupidity displayed by my fellow Americans, such as you. I've never lived outside the US, but I assume people around the world are, by and large, just as stupid as we are, thank God. As for the movie, Pearl Harbor, it is precisely my military background and my profound respect for those who have and who do serve this country that makes me loathe every aspect of that movie - the movie seeks to make a profit on the deaths of American soldiers, and makes only shallow, hollow, and fake motions at honoring those same soldiers. That's why I think the undoubted box office success of Pearl Harbor indicates the rank stupidity of many Americans, and the rank stupidity of many Americans is why I'm unsure if they'll give a wonderful story such as LOTR a fair chance. If you think I'm wrong, that Americans are a brilliant bunch, congratulations on your optimism. From what I've seen in my life, though, I don't have much hope.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:35 p.m. CST

    kudos to Harry

    by devil0509

    Big thanks, Harry, for digging up the quicktime version and making it available. All you people out there who bitch at Harry for a bunch of random and mostly pissy shit, remember that this site is a free service, and frequently delivers great shit info and links to the downloadable trailer of what looks to be an awesome movie. I love America, right Satan-guy-whatever-your-fucking-name-was?

  • May 25, 2001, 7:45 p.m. CST

    devil0509

    by EvilMcSatan

    Hey fuck-stain, Americans have enough trouble being badmouthed on the 'net without dicks like you joining in. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you weren't American, because then at least you would have had an excuse to not like us. Eat shit.

  • May 25, 2001, 7:46 p.m. CST

    isidore--dignity is overrated

    by kojiro

    Besides which, once your back on the pipe you won't notice the passersby shying away from you with looks of fear and revulsion on their faces. Plus the stench you rbound to aquire, coupled with the inevitable drooling and loss of teeth, will be sure to give you an edge over all those who attempt to take that hallowed first spot in the line from you. You poor doomed soul, you'll be lucky if you actually make it to Dec. 19, but on the offchance that you do, would five bucks get me a spot behind you if I stop by on the morn. of that day?--Ahhh, damn this looks great, even though I'm not too fond of the book(s?) itself/themselves this is without a doubt the movie I most want to see this year.--I myself find this a bit surprising, as everything I've seen Elijah Wood in up until now has been crap, owing in no small part to his acting abilities. As soon as I heard that he had been cast as Frodo I figured that the LOTR would make for pretty sad movies, but after the months of following the news of the movies, I actually think he can pull it off.

  • May 25, 2001, 8:01 p.m. CST

    mcsatan, wrong

    by kojiro

    Look, every country has it's quirks stereotyped to it by those who live outside it. For the most part, these are actually deserved. Ours stereotype is that we are aggressively ignorant. Many of us are. But then many other people are too, everyone's got their faults. (Barring a miraculous collapse on PH's behalf, he is very likely right IMO) Point is, I'll wager that devil gives more of a shit about this country than you, and has given more for it in his/her service to it than you. Objectivity, and the ability to find faults in what one loves is is far more useful, and speaks of a better mind, than denying all criticism and embracing one's own ignorance.

  • May 25, 2001, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Kojiro

    by EvilMcSatan

    I'm actually Danish, and it's my experience that Americans are among the most generous, good natured, and yes, SMART people on the planet. I think their fault is that they are generous even to countries who continue to bad-mouth them.

  • May 25, 2001, 8:20 p.m. CST

    P.S.: Kojiro

    by EvilMcSatan

    Denying all criticism? Nope. Just disgusted by Americans who encourage verbal attacks on the citizens, when it's the politicians who are the country's main problem.

  • May 25, 2001, 9:30 p.m. CST

    as a denizen of Washington D.C.

    by kojiro

    I quite agree with you on that last bit. But then, it's only because we let them get away with it.

  • May 25, 2001, 9:34 p.m. CST

    that being danish thing...

    by kojiro

    rather negates a bit of my post as directed at you, but it does apply to many others out there (I'm, looking at you Texas).

  • voicing of Gandalf is great...especially at the beginning...depth, gravity, seriousness... Frodo is perfect !!!!! his lines are without fault and Aragorn looks great. its one thing hearing about stuff from Cannes but actually seeing it is mind blowing... PJ good on ya mate

  • May 25, 2001, 10:05 p.m. CST

    real player sucks

    by packnetman

    Maria Cantwell is the person responsible for Real Player. Let's off her, and give Steve Jobs her Senate seat. This movie looks a lot darker than I expected - and I'm damn glad about it. This movie isn't going to just be great, it's going to scare the living Hell out of people who never read LOTR.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Kojiro

    by EvilMcSatan

    Good. Can we get back on to Lord of the Rings? I digressed because I saw people of all nations united in the love of Tolkien, then all of a sudden I saw someone saying the citizens of one country were all stupid. That's why I went off. Oh, and I still hate RealPlayer.

  • May 25, 2001, 10:27 p.m. CST

    And to think....

    by Senor Askew

    And to think that the trailer doesn't descrive even half of what takes place in the film! This is probably the first time in my life that I wish I had never read LOTR. Just think what an experience it would be for someone who knew almost nothing about it going into the cinema in December!

  • May 25, 2001, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Moods are for cattle and loveplay..

    by Dursban

    Virkku, what the hell do you mean? Are you implying the music should sneak around in the woods, lurking like a mist, and pop out once in a while (like Terrence Hill in My Name is Nobody) to set the mood? Screw that! If that is what Shore is about, I want none of it. Williams (who has set the most brilliant and unforgetable moods and character themes of any modern soundtrack composer) will be remembered 200 years from now as the Wagner of our generation. As is demonstrated in the trailer, the music should (as Hans Zimmer composed for Gladiator) tie your favorite genetalia into a bowtie around your neck and shout "Im the mood beeyatch, bend over Im comin through, and you will feel the way I tell you to!". I think you need to head on back and watch Excalibur again my brother and see why music shouldnt lurk. Um, I have to say, I dont get misty very often, but to see this story coming to life before my eyes is more than I can handle. The tears were well reined until the gollum urked "My Preciousssssss - OOOOOOOH" and the chill wringed my spine. Im am of 33 years and I have not anticipated the arrival of Christmas like this since sometime before 16. Oh, I saw 'Shrek' tonight. Did anyone notice the rather adult themes for a 'childrens' movie? Um, Prince Fuckwad (Faquad)? I mean really....:)

  • May 25, 2001, 11:01 p.m. CST

    usually when it's a hit for geeks

    by herzaaes56

    it flops elsewhere... should LOTR follow? I fear what someone posted above... that the next two will be straight to video.

  • May 25, 2001, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Um, Kojiro

    by Dursban

    Here's a high falutin' rootin' tootin' good old-fashioned "fuck you" from Houston. I think you better take a closer look pal...

  • May 25, 2001, 11:04 p.m. CST

    I work in a movie theater showing PEARL HARBOR, so I can watch t

    by Lenny Nero

    I think I'll go back to the theater and just watch this...again and again and again...and wtf does IMO or IMHO stand for? I keep on asking online, but no one ever responds. Send me an e-mail, dagnabbit!

  • May 25, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST

    one, two, three, four, five, six, seven months........

    by maxhardcore

    OHHHHHHHH MY GOD. I JUST CANT WAIT THAT LONG.

  • May 25, 2001, 11:47 p.m. CST

    QT vs Real

    by Sith Warrior

    To 'human2'. Actually moron, this isn't really an issue of bandwith. The Apple Quicktime page provides high quality Quicktime clips and has no problem with them because they don't stream the clip, it downloads to your hard drive. This allows them to show higher quality clips. With Real, every time you watch something it streams, so of course they need more bandwith. I agree that the quality of the Real Media clip can be as good as a QT (such as with the last LOTR Trailer), but the system requirements are higher and Real Player is an unstable piece of shit. It also needs loads of updates and tries to log on to the web at every given opportunity. Quicktime is far more stable and user friendly, and plays back high quality clips even on more modest machines. And the 'Very high res' clips, which is what Harry refers to as fullscreen quicktime clips, haven't been touched by anything I have seen on Real Player. So in essence, Harry is right in wanting a gorgeous fullscreen Quicktime version, which will look superior to anything Real Media provides unless they somehow improve their standards. Oh, and I'll say it again--this trailer is AWESOME!!!! But I agree with what someone said eralier about Gimli looking a bit freaky....he looks barely larger than a hobbit!?! Will the real Gimli please show himself??

  • May 26, 2001, 12:15 a.m. CST

    LISTEN EVERYONE OF YOU READERS! READ THIS!

    by Pips Orcille

    I'm just one of the many of you movie fans out there, but here's my request... I want you to hype the FUCK out of Lord of the Rings. It's already getting hype, but to me the hype doesn't seem enough. I want you to hype it MORE and MORE until your guts fly out. I want it to be hyped more than Star Wars Phantom Menace. We cannot let a gooey soap opera movie like Titanic rule the charts, because as a whole, it's not a very artistic film (besides the techincal aspects, which are great). Hell, I'd be happy if Pearl Harbor beat Titanic, which it probably won't, but if it does, at least it doesn't have the sappy love story (and thank the LORD that Michael Bay did not put in an ANNOYING "animal cracker scene" in the Pearl Harbor movie like he did in Armageddon). I know I'm crazy and I may very well be the biggest dipshit, but just hype the mother out of the Fellowship of the Ring. Put posters on walls, do tags over poles, fly blimps over cities with a sign that says "SEE THE BIGGEST MOVIE EVENT OF THE YEAR- LORD OF THE RINGS- "FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING," yell out "Lord of the Rings" everywhere, sell merchandise around the corner, put ads around colleges, do ANYTHING that'll get the hype going. Make it happen so people can sleep out the night before the first Lord of the Rings movie opens. Now that would rule, eh? :)

  • May 26, 2001, 12:22 a.m. CST

    DIGITAL FILMMAKING

    by Pips Orcille

    Hey, it's me again. I just had this thought out of random and I'd thought I'd share it with you. Digital filmmaking is GOD AWFUL! Sure it saves money and by doing that, more independent filmmakers can bring their voice into the world unlike anything that has ever happened. However, the quality of the visuals on digital camera is just TERRIBLE! The textures are so grainy and unattractive, they look as if they were mud grained in beautiful palettes. I don't know what filmmakers are thinking! "Center of the World," "Calle 54," and others. Why is it that the filmmakers choose to have this crap digital projection? To save money, ok, I feel their pain. But for the good of their art? hmmm... At least give a damn about the look of your film! Of course, you as a filmmaker can choose to make your film look shitty, but don't make it look too shitty. The way to do it is NOT to use digital projection. As of right now, celluloid is the best and until George Lucas can convince me that digital projection is the best, well, I'm not impressed with digital cinema. Sorry guys, but digital filmmaking gets a thumbs down from me.

  • May 26, 2001, 1:38 a.m. CST

    black riders

    by ESRA

    I'm french and having read the book in my native language, I don't undertand the difference between the black riders , the nazgul and the ringwraiths...all these names seem to refer to the black riders. Could somebody help me out, please?

  • May 26, 2001, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Hey, Harry is Obese...

    by Plusm

    Will there be a teaser for TTT before FOTR? I don't think so. Will there be a teaser at the end of FOTR? I'm pretty sure the anser is yes. I read recently that Jackson is modeling these movies in the manner of cliffhanger cinema, where the audience is left with a montage of what is to come. Sounds great to me.

  • May 26, 2001, 2:05 a.m. CST

    "One does not simply walk into Mordor."

    by Andy Travis

    Hee hee. Great stuff.

  • May 26, 2001, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Orc or Gollum?

    by The Riot

    Please help me settle an argument. My friend says this is Gollum, but I think it's just an orc.. Take a look at this pic from the trailer and see what you think... http://deepthought.giftie.net/~duane/orc.jpg

  • May 26, 2001, 2:43 a.m. CST

    In answer to your question...

    by Plusm

    That sure ain't Gollum. How do I know, well, other than the fact that it looks like an orc (see the numerous orc images littering the web), Gollum won't be seen in all his glory until TTT. Don't believe me? Check out the Cannes PDF from the official site, it expressly states that Gollum won't make his appearance until the second movie. It is worth bearing in mind, however, that Gollum is very, very likely to have some sort of ephemeral presence in FOTR, after all that "preciousss" line is almost certainly from the movie. I also wouldn't be surprised to get fleeting glimpses of eyes shining in the dark, or some such. No, my friend, you can rest assurred, we have yet to see Gollum... or have we? Check out theonering.net for a real poser. Is that an orc scampering down that pillar? Or is it something else? Something else that we'll have to wait until christmas 2002 to see clearly, but, as I've said above, might appear fleetingly in FOTR. Is your friend mistaking uruk-hais for orcs? They look quite different.

  • May 26, 2001, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Re: Plusm

    by The Riot

    I know the scene you're talking about.. It's less than a second long and blurry. First time I saw it I thought it was a tree trunk - maybe from the scene when Frodo spots Gollum in Lothlorien. But now after seeing it a few times, I think it's probably a goblin or orc in Moria (you see a bunch of them climbing down the pillar in another scene in the trailer).

  • May 26, 2001, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Trailer

    by The5thHobbit

    Even with the mother of all hangovers this trailer has just fucking blown me away. I have not seen anything by PJ before but after seeing this I'm reassured this will not be another fucking Bakshi. Elijah Wood is absolutely perfect for the role as Frodo - or is it just me? "There's something down there..." - classic. After the first trailer it was great to hear some dialogue, McKellen's voice reminded me of ObiWanKenobi but this just blows Star Wars away as the sheer scope of it all starts to hit home. Aragorn's classic response to Boromir's suggestion at the Council is something that I hope is expanded on screen. Boromir is the heir to the steward of Gondor, but Aragorn threatens all that, which maybe why Boromir is driven mad with desire for the ring. As Faramir responded when Frodo put it to him that Boromir had always treated Aragorn with honour, "but they had not yet reached Minas Tirith, nor become a rival in her wars". A simmering tension between these two will sure make great viewing. There was just so much in this trailer that leads me to believe this is gonna be one hell of a movie in its own right, and that it is safe in PJ's hands. And the trailer flowed, despite cutting back and forth from the book, which I thought was rather clever, ie from the Council to Lorien in a second. To someone that hasn't read the book you can instantly understand what's going on. And when you consider the first trailer, it makes you wish they had swopped them around. Sure there were gripes, I don't think anyone really liked Gandalf and Frodo acting out the blair witch project in Bag End, and the overall trailer was so dark you could almost think it a horror movie - albeit for a few colourful fireworks which looked completely cheap and out of place. But...it's a teaser trailer and if the film only delivers 50% of what it's promised in the trailer it's still gonna blow every other movie we've ever seen away. I've got 7 months to watch a few Jackson films....and to think, there is still so much that we haven't seen. It's like waiting for Santa.....

  • May 26, 2001, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Seriously I think magic should be more equally distributed in To

    by marlborogreens

    How can the power to devastate the world be manifested in three rings with ancient text on them? Gimme a break! If it was more consistent like gathering these ten swords can do the same, or gathering these ten people can do the same, or summoning these three types of demons can do the same then I'm all for it.

  • May 26, 2001, 4:15 a.m. CST

    I'm just bashing the movie so that when I see it, I can save fac

    by marlborogreens

    Which served my purpose for hyping this movie in such a derogatory way that when I see it, it will be nothing buy 2 + hours of pure excitement.

  • May 26, 2001, 4:43 a.m. CST

    QuickTime problems

    by DonnyMort

  • May 26, 2001, 4:45 a.m. CST

    QuickTime problems

    by DonnyMort

    sorry bout that last one is there a way to keep quciktime trailers on your computer permantently? I got jurrasic park 3 2 days ago and synchronised it but now its gone and that always happens so i dont wanna get the new FOTR untill i know i can keep it.

  • May 26, 2001, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Orc or Gollum

    by Plusm

    I too am inclined to think that it's an orc. Just trying to bring a little controversy to this talkback. Riot, have any of my points helped? Check out the PDF, it's a good read!

  • May 26, 2001, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Quicktime Problems

    by Dursban

    Heres where I find my quicktime: c:\windows\temporary internet files\Content.IE5\.... use windows explorer to sort the files in that repository by filesize and the trailers should be the largest files there. You can then just copy the files over to another temp directory and voila, your own trailer stash.

  • May 26, 2001, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Someone mirror the 33mb Quicktime!!!

    by Mr. Morden

    Ack! www.tolkien-movies.com has a 33 mb Quicktime version but the download is INCREDIBLY slow from this place. Has anyone gotten it that can mirror it? HELP!!!

  • May 26, 2001, 7:40 a.m. CST

    EvilMcSatan

    by devil0509

    Well, you and I are at least united in a common love for Tolkein. I guess maybe we can all get along. By the way, what grade are you in? I haven't heard "fuckstain" actually used in an argument since 8th grade, but maybe in Denmark its a witty remark for adults to use as well.

  • May 26, 2001, 7:58 a.m. CST

    someone mentioned what if disney had got the license

    by happyhippy

    I can see it now. How fantastic. A series of Randy Newman/Phil Collins/Tim Rice/Elton John musical numbers, Bill the Pony becoming a wise cracking 'street' horse, voiced by Chris Rock, and someone writing up Saruman as a a posh english gent, perhaps voiced by Leslie Phillips (soon to be seen in Tomb Raider, for those who dont know who he is). Ohh time to take my medication again.... ohh, and before somebody's head explodes, I dont mean it. and Id still have had Sean Bean(worlds most rugged Yorkshireman) and Viggo Mortenson in each others role.

  • May 26, 2001, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Don't worry, there's more than a few rings

    by Mikuji

    for the guy that's commented that the magic should be distributed more evenly than in just 3 rings, yes, i agree, but there were more than 3 rings. reading the books shows that there were many more; 3 for the elves, 7 for dwarves, 9 for men, but the reason why this particular ring was so important was that it was the controlling ring. As the quote goes - "Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for mortal men doomed to die, One for the dark lord on his dark throne, in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie." Thinking back to the trailer, i just realised one of the moments that didn't really stand out is a standout part of it (yep, that makes good sense -_-), and it's the sentence "One does not simply walk into Mordor". The tone was perfect, and i could almost hear the voice tremble as it says the word Mordor. Another point, i've noticed a few people are worried about the haggard old Gandalf rocking up at Bag End like an old drunk... i'm not too worried about this. Gandalf hadn't seen Frodo for almost a decade, and had had no news of his fortunes, or, indeed, of the ring. I think that showing Gandalf's initial fear of the ring being lost while he was waylaid will be a good way of showing an audience that has not read the books the significance of this one ring. Gandalf looks like he's been on horseback for months, with many sleepless nights racing towards hobbiton, worried about the ring, and if such a powerful character shows that kind of fear, the viewers will understand it's not a mere trinket, my pretties. However, it was still a bit of a shock to see such a dishevelled Gandalf so early in the film. A good nights rest at Bag End, a hot bath and a shave will clear up Gandalf overnight, and he'll be the same old man with the merry twinkle in his eye that we all know.

  • May 26, 2001, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I'm so SPENT.

    by galadriell20

    I saw Pearl Harobor yesterday in the theater and I was so unbelievable psyched that they showed the new Lord of the Rings trailer! I wanted to stand up and shout "THANK YOU GOD! WHOO HOO!" right after it was finished and high five everyone! Seriously, when Gollum's voice echoed in the surround sound speaker system I thought I was going to lose it. I'm so excited just typing about it I want to go see it again and again! Can we start waiting in line now for the movie? Anyone got a tent I can borrow? :-)

  • May 26, 2001, 11 a.m. CST

    Ahh, Admit it, this wasn't so good

    by Preacher_mg

    I'm not a Tolkien fan though I did read the books. I was really excited about this film because I loved PJ's "Heavenly Creatures". But this Trailer, I dunno... not very impressive - not for what is supposed to be the greatest film trylogy of all time. It isn't convincing. Even the Final Fantasy trailer was better. This trailer looks like something straight out of Xena: Warrior princess. I hoped for something more imaginitive, less...Drab.

  • May 26, 2001, 11 a.m. CST

    Answers to negative comments:

    by virkku

    GANDALF: It's been ten years since I read the books last time, so I don't remember if Gandalf was captured by Sauron or Saruman (Or both?), but the "drunk" Gandalf is obviously a scared and tired Gandalf who has just escaped from unspeakable evil and has travelles 500-1000 miles to Hobbiton to know if the ring is still safe. No wonder that he doesn't seem very calm. Both PJ and Ian have said that the character is loyal to the books, so don't worry. McKellen is a magnificent actor, a brilliant choice for Gandalf. That voice... It gives me shivers everytime I hear it. HOBBITS: Someone complained that hobbits look too small in the pic of fellowship. It looks pretty obvious to me that they are standing lower than the humans. There is a stairway step between them. CAMERAWORK: Gastbona was worried about too "artsy" camerawork, but I don't think this will be a problem. Just watch Heavenly Creatures. It's full of creative and inventive visuals, but they always empower the story instead of being self-conscious masturbatory sessions. MUSIC: Howard Score has made GREAT soundtracks in the past, but like I said earlier, he builds atmospheres and emotions instead of catchy hit songs. Maybe he will write a recongnizable theme tune for the movies, maybe he won't. But I do know that his music will make the drama and the action more powerful. It will give us fascinating moods that we haven't heard before. And it's not going to distract you in any way. Thank god Hans Zimmer didn't do the score. Do you remember the first battle in Gladiator? The romans attack their enemy and a HEROIC tune starts playing in the background. What the fuck? There was nothing heroic in that scene. None of the character thought that it was heroic (including Maximus and the emperor). Everyone just wanted the war to end. And Zimmer is playing a HEROIC song on the background. It was so false to the content of the scene and extremely distracting. Almost ruined the scene for me, but fortunately the heroic theme stopped after 30-40 seconds. Shore never does mis-calculations like that. REAL VIDEO: There is nothing wrong with it if you can save the file to your computer, but if you have to stream it from another place, it's the worst format imaginable. Quicktime loads to the memory of your computer and you can watch it without pixelation and jerkiness, no matter how slow connection you have.

  • May 26, 2001, 11:12 a.m. CST

    More answers...

    by virkku

    And all the people who claim that this trailer looks like Willow/Xena/shit... I guess there is never a way to please everyone. If you can't make a difference between Willow/Xena/shit and this trailer... Well, to each his own. The only thing that is not great about this trailer is the performance of Elijah Wood. He is playing it very low-key, but maybe even TOO low-key. He seems a bit wooden. But then again, I have always liked him in his earlier films and PJ is a very good actor director. And maybe it's simply because everyone else rules so much in this teaser, that he pales in comparison. Ian is a GOD, Sean and Viggo are both very good and Orlando seems convincing as well. Cate doesn't say anything, but she is a brilliant actress and looks gorgeus in this film. BTW, isn't it wonderful how well the poetic dialogue of Tolkien works in this film? I was slighly worried about this, but it all sounds very natural and organic, not pretentious at all.

  • May 26, 2001, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Hey Preacher....

    by Darth_Inedible

    This is the FOTR story hook teaser, it's mainly a highly compressed overview of the ring and fellowship history, so there's no point in using the real beauty shot stuff(most of which are probably not finished). I think we'll get the Final Fantasy style eye candy trailer around September or so.

  • May 26, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    LOTR trailer

    by WARCHILDMML

    Hey i want to say YAY! this movie is going to be absolutly amazing the Moria visuals look spectacular, Ian McKellen is Gandalf plain and simple.. Im saying right now, this movie is generating hype and i'd bet this will be a record breaking day in terms of Most money grossed. nice work harry.. love the site

  • May 26, 2001, 11:35 a.m. CST

    LOTR marketing campaign

    by virkku

    I just read a long article at www.variety.com conserning the marketing of the films and here is a brief overview: New Line and the distributors worldwide have agreed that the they are trying to make FOTR the biggest grossing film of all time in EVERY market. The market campaign will be massive, possibly the biggest we have seen so far. New Line is confident that they will at least hit the top 10 of all time in every country. After seeing 25 minutes of footage at Cannes their distributors agreed. There will be one more THREE minute trailer at september. My guess is that it will be the trailer for the whole trilogy with plenty of big money shots, since that's a sure way to get people in theatres. And why would it be three minutes long, if it would cover only FOTR? Wouldn't make much sense to me.

  • May 26, 2001, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Check it out?

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    Any one else notice that when Frodo says he 'knows what he's got to do', you can distinctly hear a TIE Fighter going past in the background?

  • May 26, 2001, 11:39 a.m. CST

    lordoftherings.net

    by Steamfish

    Okay, is it just me or is it imposible to get the flash-version of www.lordoftherings.net? Is there even a flash-versiom?? It seems that no matter what I do, I always get the "You are viewing the non-flash version" message at the bottom of the screen! And, yes, I have flash installed. And reinstalled. And restarted, and rebooted, and retarded... *** BTW, Balrog-making-lady, I still love you!

  • May 26, 2001, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Love It

    by Bud666

    Great trailer and they finally seem to be speaking to the non-fans which will be key to this movie's success. I'm sure the sizing of the hobbits will seem a little inconsistant if you examine the trailers frame by frame as if they were part of the fucking Zapruder film. I've noticed it too but my hope is that they use the digital reduction sparingly and just mostly reley on body doubles and camera angles to give the illusion that they are small. So far, it's been convincing it the footage I've seen.

  • May 26, 2001, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Drunk Gandalf?

    by Bud666

    Forgot to comment on this: Gandalf went to the Shire before he was captured by Saruman - it's after the discussion of the ring and its history with Frodo he gets nicked. Still, I think the horror and worry in this scene is absolutely appropriate. The book references it albeit in a subtle and very British way: Frodo simply notices that Gandalf looks older and more careworn than the last time he visited. Short of having Frodo actually say that to Gandalf, just showing a careworn Gandalf would have probably been too subtle on film and would not have conveyed the danger the ring represents. So Jackson tweaked the emotions of the scene - fine by me. Remember, this isn't the books, it's the movie and if you're looking for an absolute line-by-line, reaction-by-reaction recreation on the screen not only are you going to be disappointed but you're going to talk yourself into hating one of the coolest film projects done in years. Take that stone from your breast and replace it with a heart. This movie is going to be sweet as long as you let it. Fare thee well.

  • May 26, 2001, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Will there be "chemistry" between Viggo & Liv?

    by TheLastRomantic

    What does everyone think? Will the pairing between Viggo (Aragorn) and Liv (Arwen) work? Both beautiful people, of course, but will they be a lovely, enduring couple? Will their love story work for Tolkien fans as well as the yet-to-be Tolkien fans? Admittedly, I am a tad worried.

  • May 26, 2001, 2:03 p.m. CST

    The missing music: It's DUNE you fucking morons!

    by PepsiMax

    Jesus christ! The musical piece that everyone is having trouble identifying is from the David lynch movie 'Dune' with score composed by Brian Eno and Toto. YES! Dune by Lynch sucks like a black hole, so now you know. I can't believe that no-one here has pointed out the source of that segment. Surely SOME of you fanboy geek smust have seen Lynch's Dune? If you haven't seen it, avoid the fucker like the plague. It truly is awful. PEPSI MAX - MAXIMUM TASTE, No SUGAR. ONLY IN THE UK SO FUCK YOU, KNOWLES. Like anyone visits your fucking sponsors anyway. Yeah right. Dream on you fat cunt... Please, by all means, have a fucking cardiac infarction, Mr 'Info-Whale.'

  • May 26, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    About the look of the trailer...

    by Anti-fanboy

    a lot of you only saw the RM copy, which hardly does the movie justice, and thus began the inevitable Xena, etc. comparisons. Any opinions based on the RM copy--such as how much the footage looks to be of tv series quality--are worthless. Check out Coming Attractions (http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/lordoftherings.html) to get a better idea of how gorgeous the cinematography actually is. It might also help if people with cable that have dnlded the 30-some meg .mov/.mpeg would mirror the damn thing...

  • May 26, 2001, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Yawn

    by owillis

    Once again, I see no compelling reason to see this movie. Looks very ho-hum.

  • May 26, 2001, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Back to the streets of Hollywood

    by Isidore

    Yesterday I sold all my earthly possessions and took the money to buy a gun to protect myself. I'm waiting for the backround check to come in. I hope the drug thing doesn't hurt me. I never was arrested, but the address I gave may clue them in. I'll have to do some serious begging to be able to buy bullets though. Ahhhh... the street is still the same as when I left it. The construction at the Chinese is progressing nicely. My spot is there waiting for me. Now to find a partner. The homeless are a little nicer dressed than before. I might be able to find a decent fellow to partner up with. There was one guy today i talked to who was once valued at $1.21 million dollars, but then his .com failed. He's a little too stuck up still for me, I'll give a month and see if the economy teaches him a little more humility. There's something to an old toothless bum. God I miss Rusty! He was great for a story of how the "gobermet" fucked him over, or how he was once the prince of Monaco. Well the search continues...

  • May 26, 2001, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Gandalf Surprises Frodo, Looking For The Ring

    by TH

    The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the Gandalf-Frodo interaction at the beginning of the trailer - the one that looks like a dream sequence - is actually an excerpt from... A DREAM SEQUENCE! Am I mistaken, but in the FOTR doesn't Frodo have dreams about Gandalf visiting and looking for the Ring at Bag End on his journey to Bree? Look at the way he comes in, creaking door, darkened hall, all colour gone like a dream... Then Gandalf surprises him looking crazy and un-Gandalf-like. After that, colour returns to the trailer. I really think this is one of Frodo's nightmares. The Ring is starting to take a serious hold on him at this point............. These movies are going to ROCK!!!!! P.S. I could be wrong, of course.

  • May 26, 2001, 3:17 p.m. CST

    This trailer is fucking stupendous

    by filmakr1

    I' d-loaded the 5mg quicktime ... I can only imagine what the 480 fullscreen will look like. The qucktime codec is far superior to RealMedia ... although both are being mastered in a virtual surround soundtrack as I can hear when I pump it through my DVD system ... Awesome! However, one of my concerns of these films for a while now: The movie looks nice & gritty, just how PJ described he would make it ... with a real Braveheart feel. Now, that's okay for some things, but certainly much of it, in my opinion, HAS to have the LOOK of MIDDLE EARTH ... and that is not just a gritty Braveheart midieval look, but an other-worldly, magical, primeval, ancient, realm of Faery type look. Check out the new pics just released on the ONE RING.NET, 'specially the one of the nine getting in the boats along the Anduin. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! That has the kind of feel of enchantment that I always saw Middle Earth being. I hope those pics are indicitave of what PJ will do (actually, I hope those weren't done by some fan in Photoshop) with much of the scenic and landscape stuff throughout the movies. Jackson did say he would run the entire flick through digital re-imaging ... and I hope he does indeed for the above reasons. So far, I TRULY believe PJ would actually bring a smile to Tolkien's face himself were he still alive, with what he's put together so far. And I hope some of the Tolkien family are surfing the LOTR sites and nodding their heads in satisfaction. Peter Jackson has thus far proved he is no hack.

  • May 26, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST

    30 meg file mirror up...

    by Anti-fanboy

    It's mpg, not mov, but still nicer, the colors much more vibrant, than the RM version (though the tailend, with Aragorn's warning to Frodo is cut). http://lotrtrailer.tripod.com/lotr3big.mpg ...damn, this is such a great teaser. I want more!

  • May 26, 2001, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Holy Wormtongue I can still hear Gollum

    by vulpes

    Wonderful... Perfect... Is the music from the working score? Is Arwen's character "different" than the book? How tall are they making Gilmi? I don't care... this movie's gonna be great no matter what direction they take.. In PJ we trust.

  • May 26, 2001, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Re:Digital Filmmaking

    by filmakr1

    Pips Orcille: I can see you must be another fan who hasn't the slightest idea about digital filmmaking ... I have read all too many posts like this recently, and now here's my 2 cents to inform you and the many others who don't understand how important the digital format is to filmmakers - mostly independant filmmakers, the world over. What digital does offer, more than anything else, is the ability for almost ANYONE ... to MAKE films. Which means you can go out and perfect your craft. The problem before digital was, most filmmakers, couldn't afford to just go out and make films, because of the cost. A painter can just paint, a writer can just write, a musician can pick up an instrument and play it, but a filmmaker in the past could not just go out and make a film without a good many resources, chief among them, money. Now how are you supposed to practice your craft, if you can't do it? That's ALL changed with digital. Lemme run it down for you: Before, it was like this ... Assuming you had gotten together a talented cast who would already work for free with only the promise of a final tape for their actors reels to show. If you got a crew that would work for free and yet have the skill & ingenuity to make something out of nothing (costumes, sets, practical special FX) plus you had the persmission and permits to shoot in great outdoor locations ... Well, your first financial obstacle is: FILMSTOCK, which is so goddamn expensive next to digital tape it's insane. With that filmstock you get no sound, you have to buy the reel to reel tape seperately, then ... you have to go and RENT the camera equipment, because practically no one can afford to BUY professional film camera's, even in 16mm, unless you get a Bolex, but it's not built for sync sound capability the way an ARRI is. You have to rent caemra, lighting and sound equipment. (unless, you're in film school like I was 20 years ago ... great deals on equipment then, but it's a life and death struggle with your fellow students for the best equipment) In digital, the amount you'd spend on the rental for a few weeks to shoot, you could buy a prosumer digital camera like the Canon XL or even GL1 which covers most of your camera and sound needs. Now ... once you shoot your film - probably on a MUCH tighter film ratio - maybe 4:1 the highest (meaning you're gonna shoot no more than 4 takes at the MOST) With digital and digital tape, who cares - shoot all you want, the tape is an hour long for 15 bucks! Film: 85-100 bucks for 10 MINUTES! And without DEVELOPING it! That's right - you have to develop it from the lab, THEN make a WORK PRINT of everything that you need to edit while the negative is stored away. Cost: maybe another 200 bucks per ten minutes ... that's 300 bucks per 10 minutes of film! Now you have to transfer all your sound to mag tape to edit with picture ... and you have to RENT again: A Steenback or moviola to edit and cut the movie. Digital: Buy a PC with firewire and edit it at home! With film, once it's all edited (in interlock as we say) then you have to MIX your sound in a studio for 100 bucks an hour ... Digital: Mix it in the computer! With film: the Negative has to be cut to the picture - thousands of dollars right there, no exaggeration ... many filmmakers try to cut their own negative ... dangerous, but will save you much money. Digital: no negative to cut, it's all there in the PC. Then you have to make an optical negative from the final mixed sound to combine with the cut negative - more money, yet none of this needed in digital. Lastly, you have to make a final composite print! The biggest expense yet, getting all the color corrections, titles, and everthing else together in one piece of film ... at LEAST 10 thousand bucks for this, usually MUCH higher ... Digital: hit the spacebar and output it to tape. Completely mixed, color corrected, fine-cut and most likely with FAR superior control (cause YOU had the time to do it at home and not subject yourself to a mixer, or lab technician) and with DIGITAL special FX, which quite frankly, NO filmmaker could do on film outside of hollywood like you can get today on a home PC. Do you see the point here? You can make an entire professional product for a few grand, complete as opposed to 30, 40, 100 thousand dollars with film. Anyone can do it, and so to reiterate, you can go out and DO your craft and LEARN it by making mistakes you couldn't before because you couldn't afford it on film. ANYONE can do it. Sure Robert Rodriquez made a film for 7000 grand, but he only shot it on film and did everything else on video. He's been an inspiration for me and He LOVES digital video now. As far as the quality? With all the above advantages it wouldn't matter to me if digital looked like VHS, because I'd still be getting to make my own movies (As I do now) without breaking my bank account. But it looks 50 times better than VHS or super VHS or high 8. It looks great, no it is NOT as clear or does not have the asthetic quality film has. Yet. But in time it will be ... and when it is, filmmakers who have been working in the medium will already be comfortable with it and now have the resolution quality with it and that will be that ... right now, the medium best serves small filmmakers, but that will change. George Lucas is right ... this is the biggest and most exciting thing in cinema since the advent of sound and color. The bottom line; WE CAN MAKE OUR FILMS. Harry, I'm sorry to use this talkback which was for LOTR only, as a forum for film, but I see too many posters who sprinkle this subject thoughout their stream of consciousness in the talkbacks. This is for all of you out there who have critisized digital filmmaking ... to keep a fucking open mind please, because this digital thing so far has been nothing short of miraculous for us, who have struggled to make films all our lives ...

  • May 26, 2001, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Agreed.

    by virkku

    Filmakr, thank you. I agree with every word you say. It sort has something to do with LOTR as well. PJ is editing the whole film digitally and changing colors, contrast and adding all kinds of unnoticeable sfx to pictures. Recently we have been treated with outdoor pics that have slightly unreal colours, and I wonder if the same scenes in the film have been modified digitally as well. They look pretty cool.

  • May 26, 2001, 5:11 p.m. CST

    RealPlayer has its advantages!

    by Silius

    RealVideo does have it's advantages. Such as if you want to set a record or create publicity for most downloads in day or whatever by offering cheap, shoddy video which can be downloaded by many more people than a nice quality Quicktime version. Also, the RealPlayer video is not completely saved to your hard drive, whereas a complete quicktime video is saved to your temporary internet folder. So, if you want to view the trailer again you have to go to the original site and download it again.

  • May 26, 2001, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Drunk Gandalf

    by echo626

    I did some digging around and found this description of Gandalf's return to Hobbiton in Moriarty's review of the 2 script version of the screenplay: "Gandalf warns Frodo to hide the Ring carefully, only to show up seven months later, dirty, exhausted, dishevelled. He knows the true nature of the Ring now, and his explanation to Frodo does a wonderful job of filling us in without burying us." I could be wrong but that's sounds close to how he appears in the new trailer. It could still be a dream sequence but you never know.

  • May 26, 2001, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The Quicktime one blows...

    by MasterOfPuppets

    I don't know what the hell you people are looking at, but the RealPlayer version of the trailer has a significantly better picture than the Quicktime one. It isn't even close. The Quicktime trailer is smaller and pixellated.

  • May 26, 2001, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Hype, what goddamn hype, there is none!

    by siniarblade

    Yes, yes deluded ones - apart from the online community - there is no hype. Don't include Cannes, a bunch of soft/pro LOTR handpicked journos don't count. When the TPM second trailer arrived it was on ever non entertainment news show, is FOTR anywhere apart from Access Hollywood, AH showed "Woman on top" trailer as a sneak peak for christs sake, so entetianment new shows don't count as hype. Prepare 4 the worst boys, the second trailer did NOTHING to the audience i was with (400 people at least), they talked through it. They stopped talking when the 'Planet of the Apes" trailer came on though, that says something. U can't make general auds want to see a film, they are eiter interested or their not. It does matter how much New Line pours into marketing there willl always b a huge portion of the public that will never go to a elves/hobbit flick - unfortunately for FOTR these are the people who generate the big big office. For all the of blase comments on this board about how it will make billion, it's misguided. There just isn't enough of a audienece out there for this, no matter what the marketing. It will make money - 170 mil domestic, but thats about it.

  • May 26, 2001, 7:09 p.m. CST

    No Hype Concerns

    by echo626

    Siniarblade, Even using your $170 million domestic gross figure you still end up with a $400 million worldwide gross for FOTR alone. Only 2 recent releases (Gladitator and Cast Away) have done better than that internationally. As for the hype on this movie, well that should begin in earnest in September once the summer crop of 2001 films are out of the way. Then you'll see the Rolling Stone and Time magazine cover stories. Right now New Line is just creating awareness to the laymen so that when the hype hits Joe Six-Pack will say "oh, yeah I saw something about that this summer." Also the key to this film series will be word-of-mouth. And that will be nothing but overwhelmingly positive when it comes. This movie will have legs and play well into spring. The repeat viewing factor is very high I think. And then come winter 2002 when The Two Towers comes out there will be a super-hype situation created by the audience who enjoyed FOTR and it will explode like say The Mummy Returns. This franchise will be a string of firecrackers any way you look it at. IMHO.

  • May 26, 2001, 7:38 p.m. CST

    One Movie To Rule Them All

    by Hook

    Hello Hook here formely known as Jedi7, just wanted to say thanks for the trailer from LOTR, it looks awsome.I am upset, I saw Pearl Harbor (only the battle seen is any good) and this trailer was not on it! Crap! If they play their cards right this movie should do great! I am looking forward to seeig it with the actors instead of the animated one which I also love. Remeber people on talkback be nice little hobbits o.k.

  • May 26, 2001, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Internet hype....

    by SethShandor

    Good points about net hype... AICN addicts know LOTR is coming, Spider-Man is coming, Matrix sequels are coming.... but many a Joe Average has NO CLUE. I forget sometimes when I start mentioning something thats coming (granted, months, even years away) and the person I'm talking too had now idea a said film was one it's way. Good news is, many a person gets excited when I do mention that above mentioned films are coming, and even shooting already. (One guy even went as far as to say there's no way we'll ever see a Spider-man movie coming, despite my assurances It'll be out NEXT YEAR.) The only snag at least with LOTR and Matrix too, is the already planned and filmed sequels. Most average joes (movie fans but not movie news junkies) I know HATE that idea... even if they plan on seeing them all anyway. Only real example is Back to the Future 2 and 3. Many a pissed of person liking the second, but pissed about the way it ended and "making them" see the next one. However, I think a lot of that comes from the seuqel bashing mentality which, while fairly earned, tends to negate even good sequels in people's minds.

  • May 26, 2001, 9:54 p.m. CST

    That music is NOT DUNE!

    by Mr. Morden

    For whoever said it, the music in the trailer is nowhere NEAR Toto's Dune score. I pay extremely close attention to film scores, and all music in general, and this isn't even close. By the way, and this is not necessarily pertaining to solely you, but I love how people rant and get self-righteous about crap they have no real knowledge about - and complete it with spelling errors! theonering.net credits this particular piece to a work by Hans Zimmer.

  • May 26, 2001, 11 p.m. CST

    Built in audiences

    by scudd

    I do not agree with the past statements that have been made about LOTR not having enough of a general audience to get a good box office gross. How many times have movies come out of left field and surprised everyone? Just look at X-Men last year. No one thought it would do business...maybe it would make back its $60 million budget, but thats it. It ends up having the third biggest opening weekend ever, and goes on to make $150 million, after Joel Schumacher killed the comic book genre, even! So dont predict what audiences will do. Not even Joel Seigel can do that.

  • May 27, 2001, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Trailer

    by ProFromDover

    As cool as all the footage was, and as much as I want to see the movie, i hope they dont show too much stuff from the movie in the trailers, I hate it when i go to a movie and feel like ive seen every scene

  • May 27, 2001, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Trailer music, Mother Africa Reprise by Zimmer.

    by CrouchT12

    Never freaken trust any movie that doesn't use its own score even in the trailers. The probablity this movie will have a great score are close to none. Christ who the hell hired Mr. shore for this movie.

  • May 27, 2001, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Original Music In Trailers

    by Plusm

    Er, have you ever seen a teaser trailer before? Take my word for it, they very, very rarely contain original music. It's pretty much unheard of. Even full-blown trailers often lack an original score. Siniarblade, just a few thoughts. "...there is no hype." 450,000,000 hits on the official site, millions upon millions of trailer downloads, film magazines running big articles every month, and all seven months before release. No hype at all. Most films get that kind of interest - I don't think. "Don't include Cannes, a bunch of soft/pro LOTR handpicked journos don't count." How, pray tell, were these LOTR soft journos picked - all three-hundred of them? Did they use a special computer database? Did Newline use their psychic powers? Don't be so glib. "When the TPM second trailer arrived it was on ever non entertainment news show..." You are talking about the first SW film in fifteen years, man. Of course the hype was going to be collosal from the get go. For fuck's sake, the SW saga is the biggest phenomenon in film history. It's simply ridiculous to generalise from that particular case. Also, said trailer came out only three months before the films release, when the hype was hitting fever pitch. "...is FOTR anywhere apart from Access Hollywood, AH showed "Woman on top" trailer as a sneak peak for christs sake, so entetianment new shows don't count as hype." What does? People screaming from rooftops? Marketing machines hype films by definition. "Prepare 4 the worst boys, the second trailer did NOTHING to the audience i was with (400 people at least), they talked through it." So you can speak for everyone in the cinema can you? Perhaps you possess the same psychic abilities as those Newline execs? Remember, Newline are still building awareness. This is a teaser trailer. "They stopped talking when the 'Planet of the Apes" trailer came on though, that says something." Nothing of any import. All it says is that awareness for this film is already high. It can't fail to be, it's been marketed like mad, is near release and sits on the shoulders of one of the most popular movie franchises in history. Of course people are going to take notice. People took notice of the god-damn Battlefield Earth trailer in the weeks before its release. "U can't make general auds want to see a film, they are eiter interested or their not." Did you major in advertising? Entire industries would beg to differ. My god, our western cultures are built on paying for things that we don't really need. Marketing is specifically about CREATING NEED. "It does matter how much New Line pours into marketing there willl always b a huge portion of the public that will never go to a elves/hobbit flick..." You simply cannot know this. This is simply an opinion based on past successes at the box office. As I have argued above, the general public are malleable. Back in seventies did anyone think that SW was going to get more bums in seats than any other film in history? No they didn't. Instead Fox decided to give away the merchandising rights. Precedent should only be used sparingly when predicting box-office. "There just isn't enough of a audienece out there for this..." Was there enough of an audience for a hokey space opera? Was there enough of an audience for a camp British spy (Powers)? Did people think Titanic would sink without a trace (yes!)? Have you carried out your own market research? You can bet Newline has. 100,000,000 million readers folks, their families and their friends. You can't buy better word of mouth.

  • May 27, 2001, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Never trust a trailer that doesn't use the films' music?

    by Palondo

    A huge number of films use staple music, like 'O Fortuna' and the like. Actully, it's not at all uncommon for a trailer to use the soundtrake from a different picture entirely. Also, considering how far we are from the relese of this film, it's quite forgivable for them not to use Shore's music, he's probably not done with it yet. Everything I'v heard about the music that was attached to the Cannes preveiw (wich was Shore's) was completely positive. Have faith and be positive.

  • May 27, 2001, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Spelling

    by Palondo

    Sorry about the spelling in the above, I havn't been to be in a while...

  • May 27, 2001, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Left Of Field

    by Bud666

    It wouldn't surprise me if FOTR got back New Line's investment for the three films (marketing included) all by it's lonesome. Geek films are bigger than ever and the public at large doesn't take much convincing when they see people crowding the lines - they don't want to miss anything. Back when I was waiting in line for "13 Days", a women in front of me with her date noticed the sign informing the public that no refunds would be given for people paying for "13 Days" just to see the FOTR trailer. Her and her date got in a discussion about what FOTR was about, neither seemed to be quite sure, and they got their tickets for another film. But when I made it in the theater to see "13 Days", they were in the back hoping to see what all this trailer business was all about. And when it finally ran, shouts of joy rang out all around me. I agree, the film needs to have a full court marketing press as December draws closer to help us convince our friends and family to check it out. The geek word of mouth about the Internet stuff always helps - I know I've turned at least a dozen co-workers onto it and they're all sure they'll be itching to see it by the end of the year. And they're not just saying that to be polite - they're almost never polite. :)

  • May 27, 2001, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Be? Bed....ugh

    by Palondo

    I'm going to sleep

  • May 27, 2001, 5:51 a.m. CST

    McKellan is up for it.

    by Miss Aura

    Having viewed this trailer, I just have to say...WOW. Ian McKellan is a front runner for the best actor oscar, if he pulls this off. I am a Star Wars fan and have to say to George Lucas, you have one hell of a fight on your hands. Everyone thought that it would be Matrix 2 that would be slugging it out with Episode 2, but after seeing this trailer I dont even think Episode 2 has a chance with LOTR nevermind Matrix 2. Blown Away is an understatement.

  • May 27, 2001, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Arwen's Role

    by chibiman5

    She's replacing Glorfindel. She'll be in the chase to the Fords of Bruinen.

  • May 27, 2001, 9:38 a.m. CST

    after watching again

    by THE PROFESSOR

    i thing the beginning of the trailer when gandalf suprises frodo adds a great amount of tension and adds to the mood of the film. Because if you remember the books, its at this point when gandalf peices the puzzle together and he rides like a baat out of hell to get to hobbiton..

  • May 27, 2001, 9:47 a.m. CST

    oh man oh man that 38 meg version ROCKS ass

    by devil0509

    Aside from the Access Hollywood butchering, finally being able to SEE this fucking trailer! Holy shit I'm blown totally away! The shot of them running through Moria with the orcs closing in and even crawling down the fucking walls! The shot of the barrow wight reaching for Frodo! The ringwraith moving around the tree toward the hobbits! Man oh man that is beautiful. Can't judge a movie by its trailer, but with the special effects we're seeing, with the way that Jackson seems to be visualizing the world, unless they have totally fucked up with the story or the pacing, I am going to be very satisfied to see the AWESOME story onscreen! And McKellen's voice, his interpretation of the lines that we've seen so far - "He is seeking, seeking it, all his thought is bent on it." I'm incredibly pumped being able to watch this higher quality version of the trailer. Can't wait for the New Line site to upload the downloadable version of the theatre trailer in high quality!

  • May 27, 2001, 1:17 p.m. CST

    The Hype - in Sweden

    by Steamfish

    I live in Sweden. Over here, LOTR has been mentioned dozens of times in the media, and not only in entertainment-related media. Sweden's largest newspaper had a full-pager about the film, on the frontpage of the "Culture"-section. This is usually reserved for reviews of books by French philosopers. Pretty much every single Swedish newspaper has had at least one larger article about LOTR by now. Looking at television, all shows that has anything to do with movies has mentioned LOTR at least once -during their Cannes coverage. The big once talked about it somw while before Cannes too. The reports from Cannes were exremely positive - words like "incredible", "very impressive" and "wow" were used repetedely. And this was by critics who normally puke at anything that even looks like a big hollywood production. Everyone over here may not know about LOTR right now, but awareness is growing rapidly (especially since the old trailer was shown before, at the time, the most viewed movie in Sweden).

  • May 27, 2001, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I'm trying not to get too excited because....

    by Rhaegar

    I was totally sucked in and consumed by the Star Wars Episode 1 hype machine. And upon seeing the travesty that was The Phantom Menace I felt used and cheated. Although I feel quite confindent that Fellowship will be quite a bit better than Phantom was, I still find myself suppressing my excitement a little bit. I don't want to get burned again. In hindsight, The Phantom Menace trailer should have set of alarm bells for me because although a technical marvel, the Episode 1 trailer hinted at crappy dialogue and wooden acting by most of the cast. I will say that the LOTR trailer seems to indicate that Peter Jackson can get more out of his actors than Lucas can from his. McKellan seems to carry more presence than Neeson. Viggo Mortensen seems to have much more charisma than the Ewen McGregor version of Obi-wan. Do we even need to compare the CGI characters of Gollum vs Jar Jar? I haven't even SEEN Gollum yet, yet from that voice in the trailer (It gives me the bloody creeps!) he will rock! I just hope that the LOTR trilogy will be one supposed blockbuster that actually live up to the hype machine.

  • May 27, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Thanks Plusm...

    by Anti-fanboy

    Saved me from wasting time responding to that siniarblade nonsense--very well-reasoned reply.

  • May 27, 2001, 4:05 p.m. CST

    No success without "Geeks"?

    by Teta

    To everyone who says that LOTR has no "real audience" outside of the Internet/"geek" world: you couldn't be more wrong. Esp to anyone who sat through the trailer and reported a lack of interest. First: You have to remember that this book was published in 1956 and right from the start, it had a worldwide cult audience of millions. Then, 10 yrs later, the advent of the paperback edition in the U.S. created a whole new generation of young readers--by which I mean mostly college and high school age readers, an even larger "cult" audience (fanatical to the degree of scribbling on desktops and concrete walls, "Frodo is not dead. He is hiding out in Chicago until Mayor Daley leaves."). These first two generations of readers, whom we in the U.S now call the WWII generation and the Baby Boomers, still are familar with the novel and a large part of them probably still go back and read it from time to time, as it is one of those timeless tales that means different things to each reader as he or she grows older. No doubt the older one gets, the trials of Frodo and company seem not so allegorical and remote, as we struggle with our own personal "rings of power" every day of our lives. The darker aspects of Tolkien's Middle Earth may not have meant much to the college kids who "tripped out" on it (gotta love those magic mushrooms in that "Bored of the Rings" parody--still one of the funniest books I've ever read; Eorache being one of my favorite characters)but it means a lot more to these kids' parents and grandparents. This is a built -in audience of parents and grandparents who around the world number in the millions alone. Even if the favorite book of their childhood is gathering dust on a shelf, their curiosity willlikely be inspired at the fact that it is FINALLY being made into a movie. We are NOT talking about "Planet of the Apes", a hit TV movie series from the late '60's, or Star Trek, a science fiction series (and we have seen how universally popular Trek is in spite of this). We are talking about a book that has popular polls (of the general public, NOT critics) in Britain alone has termed the best book of the 2oth century. Most everybody around the world over the age of 20 or so has heard of the book, even if they haven't read it, and even if they don't like fantasy, they are aware of its reputation. And these parents and grandparents will this be inspired to take their teenage kids to see it, and introduce them to the book. I used to work in a Borders up until ast yr, and the very first news about the filming was just creeping onto the Net. The store set up a prominent Tolkien display in its sci-fi/fantasy section, and I regularily saw, several times a week, parents buying copies of the Hobbit for their little kids. I myself discovered LOTR first, when I was 15, when I saw it in the school library. Never heard of it from anywhere, but the cover blurb looked interesting (there were no pics--it was the '65 paperback edition, VERY dog-eared, and dog-eared books get me curious.)This process of parents introducing their kids to Tolkien is a quiet process, you won't find it on TV or articles about it in the paper. But 3 generations of people of all ages and of every language, nation and culture have grown up loving this book, and they won't need the hype. If the score is done right (I have never heard of Shore's other work, but I am hoping for great things)this should work out. Kudos to the marketing team. I love how Moria, the least "controversial" sequence (it's an action sequence,mostly0 was shown first) and in the trailer we see a promisnet shot of Legolas' s Elven ears --as if the studio wanted a fan reaction to "Spock ears" early. Test marekting as it were. But other than that, it's fantastic! The whole novel always had a bright, Gone With The Wind "Technicolr" feel --at least the Lorien and Hobbiton chapters did--and I hope that they can achieve the right color schemes. The contrasing greens ans whites and blues of Lorien etc. Just a blurb from an "average fan" who now couldn't be more excited. I llve the Harry Potter books (and I'm 32!) and I'll be going to see that, but I know I'll be seeingit only once. LOTR? At least 5 times. Like Ep 2. Yikes--I'll be broke, but happy!

  • May 27, 2001, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Stop the madness...

    by RyanEnder

    These huge talkbacks are just wasting valuable space. This whole debate can be ended in one simple question: NAME ONE SINGLE, SOLITARY MOVIE BASED ON FANTASY THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT THE BOX OFFICE? 100 million, U.S., 250 million worldwide. That's what it'll do. Good figures, but can you seriously say in all LOGIC that it'll do better than Star Wars? Ask yourself. Drop the fanboy attitude, twenty-sided die, and your Monster Manual, and just look at the facts. Stop being so emotional about this movie. You guys sound like you're on your period or something.

  • May 27, 2001, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Best thing 'bout Mummy Returns? The LOTR trailer......

    by Smugbug

    A couple of guys even jumped up and cheered when the trailer got to the Aragorn (Viggo)/Frodo (Elijah) talk....I was even getting all teary eyed by then. My god! I saw it via Real Player and Quicktime yesterday - but it DOES NOT muster up the same type of emotion once you see it on the BEEG screen! You could hear "awright..." "oh my god..." through out the audience. But then, the movie began and all that was great was lost. I have to add that the Mummy Returns is very annoying. VERY. One good thing: That is portrayed a very positive relationship that had lasted 8 years and showed that Evie and Jonathan were still very much in love. Even though it at times seemed forced - SOME of it seemed very natural. That was THE ONLY good thing. Other than that - B O R I N G and uselessly L O U D. However, I cannot wait for Fellowship to hit the screen!

  • May 27, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    OOPS .... I made a mistake...I think

    by Smugbug

    Jonathan is the brother, right? Rick and Evie are married....sorry. As for many of us getting TOO emotional over LOTR (in response to a previous post), hey, Peter Jackson is a VERY good director with seriously good track record. And he also is very devoted to this story. So, I must digress. I for instance cannot wait to see a movie based on such a classic DONE RIGHT. And I have a strong feeling that Mr. Jackson would do Tolkien proud. So there. Don't knock people when they are getting excited about what may possibly be VERY good - knock the people who continually settle for NOT VERY good (like those who fork out $9 to see Pearl Harbor).

  • May 27, 2001, 7:16 p.m. CST

    ryanender

    by kojiro

    I can name two without thinking more than a second. First: Conan the Barbarian and Destroyer. Sword and Sorcery fantasy flicks with great action that both crested 100 mil. in America. Second: Star Wars you peawit! Fantasy is the only genre those movies belong in. See, people will go to see fantasy movies without a thought for fantasy being 'geeky', it just has to be a quality movie rather than something like Willow or D&D.

  • May 27, 2001, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I don't know why I bother...

    by BG

    ...but here I go bothering again. RyanEnder - What would you have said if I had posed the question

  • May 27, 2001, 8:37 p.m. CST

    LOTR = middle range Box office

    by siniarblade

    FOTR will make a good deal of the green but this "it will beat Star Wars/Titanic" thing is fairly deluded thinking. Fantasy has a bad track record: - Willow was a very good film, yet it tanked.Dark Crystal - tanked.D&D - tanked.Conan TB, worked cause of the meathead/balls out factor.I could go on, where as sci fi has a strong record dating far back;- Planet of the apes (original), major hit. 2001, major hit. close encounters, massive hit. etc, and so it goes, sci fi will always and has always earnt cash, hobbit type stories haven't and don't (one of the reasons they haven't been made). FOTR will of course be the highest earning of all hardcore fantasy movies, more than all the others combined no doubt. It just won't go up near 300 mil domestic numbers. It will make a shitload, just not Titanic,TPM,ID4,jurassic ETC levels. It's just too hardcore fantasy for most (ESP non-reading peoples - a massive % of the pop, especially in red neck territory, ya know the ones that glare at you if you say your from New England, don't read)auds, much in the same way Star Trek is see as too hardcore tech sci-fi, whereas Star Wars is seen as a popcorn flick, FOTR just isn't popcorn enough for most. Hence, big but not stratospheric Box Office. Just my opinion though.

  • May 27, 2001, 8:38 p.m. CST

    No "money" shots? I don't know, i think they are just really qui

    by AntoniusBloc

    This is truly a teaser/trailer that you appreciate the more times you see it. After seeing it once in the movie theater before Pearl Harbor, i was very impressed, but with all the people still trying to sit down, and walking in front of me, and they hadn't turned out the lights yes, i knew i missed some stuff, esp. the really quick shots toward the end. so i downloaded it, and on this microscopic image i watched it over and over, and was even more impressed, especially with those latter scenes toward the end, those are awesome! but, even though i could pause it, and watch it over, it was too small. So i saw it three more times on the big screen, just to see the trailer. I watched it and walked out. I couldn't help myself. And i loved it more each time. If you look at each scene, there are actually many money shots, but they only show a brief moment. And for a teaser, that's cool, and it doesn't spoil the movie. I loved the dark tone, there were no muppets, cute kids, or anything resembling jar jar. I also loved the emphasis on suspense, a major aspect of Tokien's FOTR. As for the score, not using the original is a common practice for a teaser. C'mon, the movie doesn't come out until december, and even though some of it was used at the Cannes preview, Shore's work is still in progress.

  • May 27, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the bigger picture, but I'll stick with the bad-ass S

    by Andy Travis

    Man, he's creepy.

  • May 28, 2001, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Digital Compression

    by ForbinProject

    Maybe all this people who are invoking QT want a larger Sorenson Video version, meant for download and not streaming. In any way Sorenson v3 looks far better than any technology used by RealNetworks.

  • May 28, 2001, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Custer, while you are entitled to your opinion...

    by Plusm

    Custer, while I appreciate your consistently sceptical tone (every paradigm needs doubters), I have to disagree with a number of your opinions. "The main problem is Frodo

  • May 28, 2001, 3:56 a.m. CST

    why quicktime?

    by berend

    Not that anyone will be reading this far down, but I can't help wondering about Harry's (and everyone elses it seems) preoccupation with Quicktime. To me it's a buggy resource-hog that may work fine on a Mac, but is definitely not the format of choice for the pc. Ever wonder why nobody is ripping DVD's into Quicktime format, but always in DivX? Probably because it looks and plays much better: better quality, smaller filesize. Quicktime is yesterday's news.

  • May 28, 2001, 6:29 a.m. CST

    This Looks Fantastic!

    by JAGUART

    And there's already three films to look forward to.

  • May 28, 2001, 8:05 a.m. CST

    DISCOVERY!

    by Tolzea

    Sorry, but I am very excited. I have just discovered something very positive (to me at least). There are IMPROVED shots in this teaser from the last. There are two that I can site specifically. Take a look at the shot of the Black Riders galloping across the bridge at what looks like nighttime or could be daytime (?). Anyway, I pulled up my quicktime of the last teaser and took a look at both shots side by side. Now, I silently complained the last time because the Black Riders's heads could PLAINLY be seen under their hoods! I mean the stunt peoples' heads. They wore black coverings but the heads could still be seen. It was very strange. Take a look yourself. Now, in this new teaser, they look much darker and perfect. The next improvement is the scene of the (orc?) armies marching with the Eye-of-Sauron flag marching with them. Now, the last time a lot of people (not me) complained that this looked too CGed. I thought it looked fine but could see what they were talking about. Now, I also pulled up both new and old images next to each other. Try it and you'll find that the new image looks, again, much darker and very cool. Looks much better, I think. That is just two examples that I could think of off the bat. Enjoy. Later days . . .

  • May 28, 2001, 9:34 a.m. CST

    plusm.....

    by Smugbug

    Custer's reference to Bakshi: Ralph Bakshi (in 1981) put a animated version of Lord (Fellowship)of the Rings on the big screen. What he did was used live actors perform and basically animated over their movements. It's kinda cool. I still have the "making of" special edition magazine. The Ring Wraiths actually look impressive in this version. Didn't do well in the box office - but you may be able to rent the VHS movie. (hard to find)

  • May 28, 2001, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Smugbug

    by Plusm

    Like the name. Thanks for the history lesson but I am more than aware of Bakshi's take on Tolkien. It's Custer's attempt at comparing Bakshi and Jackson that has me worried.

  • May 28, 2001, 10:36 a.m. CST

    arggg! :(

    by kxmode

    none of those links work. I went to http://www.tolkien-movies.com/media/officialtrailers.shtml and NONE of those links work too. What gives?!

  • May 28, 2001, 10:46 a.m. CST

    IT IS....TOO GOOD

    by THE PROFESSOR

    ANYBODY COMPARING THIS TO BAKSHIS VERSION IS EITHER FUCKING LOADED OR....HAS THERE HEAD UP THEIR ASS

  • May 28, 2001, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Ya snooze, ya lose...

    by Belleaire

    The 38MB version is getting very difficult to find. Anyone have any updated links?

  • May 28, 2001, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I know film, and i would just like to say that Lord of the Rings

    by Primal Scream

  • May 28, 2001, 4:44 p.m. CST

    No!

    by Penny Dreadful

    Gastbona, if they have any sense of decency (even in the loosest sense of the word) they will NOT leak pics of the Balrog, Treebeard (any Ents for that matter) or Gollum!! They just can't! It HAS to be a complete, gasp/ohmigod/seat-grabbing experience at the theater; I want nothing to interfere...cause say, if they do leak out, and I get the feeling that of course it'll happen soon, then how the heck do we resist?? How, I ask you? I could stare at Legolas as a distraction, but that may not hold! Orlando, sigh...

  • May 28, 2001, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Since the vast majority of us...

    by BG

    ...seem to be very enthusiastic about the trailer, and the films in general, let's see if I can stir things up a bit. Back in the good old days, before we were all convinced PJ was doing a good job, the biggest talking points were rumours or pics which indicated a departure from JRRT's story. While reading the interview ( see here http://www.companyofthering.co.nz/ ) of a LOTR production assistant, I noticed the following "Spiegel: Have there been changes from the book? Philip: There is one radical difference from the third book which I am not allowed to tell you anything about." Now the thing that catches my eye here is the word 'radical'. Hmmmm... Now we have all seen the 'Wizard on a spike' pic, but if that's Saruman, then wouldn't that be book 2? Maybe it has something to do with the SOTS? PJ himself has admitted that the SOTS will take place in altered form, so is this what Phillip is referring to? Any ideas anyone...

  • May 28, 2001, 5:26 p.m. CST

    As far as leaking is concerned...

    by BG

    ...I don't think you need fear. When Geenleaf posted that pic of the Nazgul uncloaked, the New Line Gestapo asked him to take it down. Then just a couple of weeks later they release the same shot, but with more Nazgul, in their trailer. That's the kind of mentality were dealing with here.

  • May 28, 2001, 6:27 p.m. CST

    gastbona, good call.

    by BG

    I also had surmised that Saruman would fall to his death on his own machines at Orthanc (perhaps in an attempt to save his Palantir as it flies past? Perhaps pushed by Wormtongue?). But I had also surmised that because of this and to prevent the third film ending on a low note, the SOTS would be cut from the movies. When PJ announced the SOTS would be in the third film (albeit in altered form), I was left unsure as to how it would all fit. Now your idea about Wormtongue taking over Saruman's role in the SOTS makes a lot of sense. It allows everything to tie in nicely, from a movie making point of view. Now considering that once the ring is destroyed we see the wedding, the SOTS and the Grey Havens, it will seem as if the third film runs on long after the actual victory is achieved. Add to this the fact that the Elvish line Liv is so fond of repeating for journalists is from Aragorn's death in the appendixes, and you would be forgiven for thinking that the ROTK could be renamed the Never Ending Story. Lets hope that by the time the third movie comes out audiences will be so in love with it, they'll want it to go on and on.

  • May 28, 2001, 7:11 p.m. CST

    BG, star wars ain't sci-fi

    by kojiro

    Sorry, I just get all anal retentive when people classify Star Wars as sci-fi. Science fiction is speculative fiction about the future, generally, but not always, involving questions about societal values of the time period in which the piece is written, often these questions are presented in the form of an allegory. Star Wars contains none of these things, it's a piece of pulp fantasy set in space. Agree with you and gastbona on the scouring though.

  • May 28, 2001, 7:15 p.m. CST

    WHY I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE HYPE

    by Seward

    As long as PJ sticks to the novels as much as possible, he cannot go too far wrong. That's the difference between "Phantom Menance" and LOTR. PM was based on the half-baked notions of a washed-up director encumbered with an inflated ego and a lot of yes men. LOTR will be based on one of the greatest novels of all time. If PJ lets the material speak for itself, it will blow all the "high concept" films of the past thirty years clean out of the water. Thankfully, I think I knows this.

  • May 28, 2001, 7:45 p.m. CST

    OK, my own theory

    by Malbec

    I know that it's been confirmed that some footage was shot on a Gray Havens set, but I find it hard to believe (barring DVD extras) that a movie could include the farewell voyages of each and every ringbearer as described in the appendices, without being completely unwieldy. I would guess that maybe a farewell scene between Arwen and Celeborn could be included, in part to emphasize what she has given up in taking a human husband. Perhaps the elvish quote we've heard from Liv could be transferred into this context and addressed to her father?

  • May 28, 2001, 7:53 p.m. CST

    goddammit

    by Malbec

    I meant Elrond, not Celeborn. apologies.

  • May 28, 2001, 9:07 p.m. CST

    FOTR

    by otcconan

    Unless you have read the books, you will not understand fully how close (after looking at the trailers) they are going to come to the original. In high school you would have called me a D&D geek, playing D&D and reading the Trilogy. Honestly, if anything, the trailer didn't scare me enough; those scenes when the hobbits are fleeing the Riders made my heart stop the first time around. I'm willing to use an open mind going into this one. Personally I loved the animated version done in the '80's but this one seems to be much truer to Tolkein's intent. I will be there on opening day.

  • May 28, 2001, 9:30 p.m. CST

    It ain't just us AICN'ers either!!!

    by echo626

    Bill Hunt, Editor at www.thedigitalbits.com put this up in his My Two Cents column on Monday: "Actually, the best thing about going to the film [Pearl Harbor] was getting to see the new trailer for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. There were about 2,000 people in the theater I was in, and almost every last one of them went nuts for it. I already can't wait for December. VERY cool." Death to the Naysayers!!!

  • May 28, 2001, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Interesting point Kojiro...

    by BG

    ...but I still think Star Wars is more sci-fi than fantasy. IMHO an invented world based on advanced technology is sci-fi, whereas an invented world based on magic is fantasy. The only thing magical in SW was 'the force', which had it's magic removed when it was scientifically explained in TPM.

  • May 29, 2001, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Daytime/Nighttime shots

    by Amazing Kreskin

    Maybe it's just me, but I always imagined the scene at the Ford taking place at like twilight. The shots we see here are daytime. However, there's something else to be considered: It should be relatively simple to film nighttime sequences (especially tricky action sequences involving multiple horses and stunts) during the day, then darken them via CGI or simple filtering, so the shots we see here may well be darker in the film itself. Just my $0.02 on the subject. -- Thank you, Amazing Kreskin.

  • May 29, 2001, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is Space Fantasy

    by JMYoda

    Make no mistake Star Wars is fantasy. It's just fantasy with Sci-fi trappings. Basically a "best of both worlds" type thing. Or at least when it's at it's best (ANH and ESB) it is. The Force was not explained away scientifically in TPM. All that was explained is why some people are able to connect with it and others can not. The midichlorians are NOT the Force. They are just organisms that allow a human (or alien) to connect with the Force. The Force is still every bit as mystical as it ever was. Not to mention I think the midichlorians will turn out to be less important then what was thought in TPM and that is why Obi-Wan and Yoda never mentioned them in the OT.

  • May 29, 2001, 5:36 a.m. CST

    fucking geeks are out to support this movie

    by herzaaes56

    sad...

  • May 29, 2001, 5:36 a.m. CST

    fucking geeks are out to support this movie

    by herzaaes56

    sad...

  • May 29, 2001, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Concerns about the trailer

    by I_AM_SPARTACUS

  • May 29, 2001, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Well said morGoth!

    by BG

    What's with these idiots? Do they get off on this sort of childish inane behaviour? herzaaes56 - I'm afraid the only 'sad' things in this TB are your two posts. Whereas your first intellectual gem of a post was a gift to us all, the fact that it was quickly followed by an identical post only helps reinforce the true insight and genius of your original point. The enormity of your intellect is truly staggering.

  • May 29, 2001, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Greetings, ramblings, and other bs....

    by JD1866

    Long time no read. Well, that's not strictly true. I've been keeping eye on y'all, when I can. Miami, you'll be happy to hear that construction on the movie theatre at the Club is complete, as is the casino. We are open for business! Oh, and morGoth the supply of old #7 has been restored. Unfortunately, you're on your own with the shortage of weed. Talk to the Gaffer. Pallando Blue - you ol' sweet talker. You best be careful or you might turn my head. Hope the info was helpful and best of luck with that cd. ***Ah, so much news these days. I seriously thought that the scoops and spy reports would peter out to nothing after filming was complete. Glad to see I was wrong. I love that new pic of Gimli that was posted on a Czech site. I honestly can not see anything of JRD except maybe a bit around the eyes. Other than that, it's all pure Gimli! Which reminds me. It seems that son-of-Thranduil has scored seven new pics, but has only posted links for two. And the seventh is labled with ??? How typical of that wiley little wood elf. However, I can forgive him much for that wonderful translation into English of his adventure in Cannes. Hmmm. I wonders what that mystery picture is, I does. *** And lastly, what is the difference between sci-fi and fantasy? Well, I posted this a while ago, but here's my opinion. Sci-fi is what is possible, however improbable, given the technology. Fantasy is what is possible only in our dreams and imaginations. Often these lines are blurred and sometimes (if we are really fortunate) combine to make one hell of a story!

  • May 29, 2001, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I must say...

    by BG

    ...there has been an absolute avalanche of new pics from the film lately and they all look fantastic. My favourites are the shots from Lorien (very pretty and in excellent contrast with the darkness of Moria), and Gimli Kneeling in front of Balin's tomb (very cool). Ah, this all reminds me of the excitement that surrounded the original Star Wars when it came out (I was just 7 back then). I remember how at school your coolness rating was directly proportional to the number of times you'd seen the film. The "Making of" documentary would be shown over and over on TV because everyone was amazed by the revolutionary special effects. All pocket money and gift receiving opportunities were used to acquire Star Wars toys. I had the scale model x-wing (with movable wings), the storm trooper helmet and mask, the Star Wars board game (where you had to destroy the death star), dozens of action figures, a light sabre (basically just a torch with a plastic tube on the end, but it was still able to inflict a nasty blow whenever I hit my brother over the head with it) and the audio tape of the sound track (which was replaced by the video tape after we got our first video machine). I hope children of today will get as much enjoyment growing up with LOTR as I did growing up with Star Wars and that kids still have fun playing with action figures. I hope video games haven't made them all jaded and cynical. And most of all I hope that having seen the film they will be inspired to put aside their PlayStations and read JRRT's The Lord Of The Rings.

  • May 29, 2001, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Wow... and some dwarven stuff

    by Toonimator

    Finally found a good link in that list up top. This holiday season will be very nice! FOTR, Harry Potter, and Monsters, Inc. Fun to be had by all! Okay, rather than drooling on more about the trailer, I wanted to comment on Gimli & the size issue... yeah, he looks pretty puny there. He's supposed to be between the size of a human & a hobbit, though... it's the proportions that do it. What I haven't really noticed are any comments about the Dwarven lords sitting beside the Elves around that time in the trailer.. there's even a pic posted on one of those European sites focusing on just the Dwarves, with one Elf on the left-hand side of the pic. Those Dwarves haven't been shrunk! Their feet reach the floor just the same as the Elves, albeit with bulkier footwear, and their heads look like melons & are about head-height. Shots like this might just be incidentals and saved for last minute tweaks, or I'm just missing something, but that, to me, looks a bit stranger than the dwarfed Dwarf Gimli. The thing that worries me is the consistency of the size relationships. So far it looks great, but keeping that up for 3 movies... it's tough to keep volumes consistent. Look at Dragonheart... one second, Dennis Quaid's sitting IN Draco's mouth, the next he's walking along side him, able to reach up and touch Draco's raised nose with little effort and could NEVER lounge in his jaw. Or The Lion King... Timon changes a great deal in size next to Pumbaa. I guess I'm just desperate to be skeptical about something from this film, since so far it's exceeded my expectations! Oh, to fast-forward the next few months...!

  • May 30, 2001, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Last, Jeez, this IS popular.

    by Sepulchrave

  • May 30, 2001, 3:42 a.m. CST

    digital post-production & music

    by virkku

    PJ is editing the whole footage digitally and altering colors and contrasts as he wishes. What interests me is that how different the pics we have seen so far will look in the final product. There has been some pretty cool digital color modifications in the new pics and hopefully some of that stuff will be done in the films as well. For example the new picture of hobbiton and preparations of Bilbo's birthday party has some colors oversaturated to give flowers more surreal colors. It's a subtle touch but makes the pic look more fantasy-like and unreal. I dig it. BTW, Ian McKellen has heard the main theme for FOTR and he really seemed to like it. Apparently Shore is writing more pop-esque tunes this time and gives the films recognizable theme songs, which is a good thing.

  • May 30, 2001, 9:34 a.m. CST

    by theDUDEspeaks

  • May 30, 2001, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Man, the DUDE is surrounded by geeks.

    by theDUDEspeaks

    All you geeks that live off the teat of Harry, need to find a new pimp, man. Life can be groovy - go find one for yourselves. The DUDE is a pacifist, but he must speak for your own good: Get your pasty-white, coke-bottle-glassed, pimply faces out into the sun once in a while. You sit all day in your loneliness, wishing you had a life, or a girlfriend. the DUDE is NOT down with that. You can't smell the flower of life through a computer screen. It just aint right,man! The DUDE feels for you all. Poor souls. Nothing to live for but punching a daily dose of inane verbose on the keyboard of false happiness. Chill. chill. this is for you're own good. The DUDE is here to help. You don't have to be losers your entire life. Drink from the well of the DUDES wisdom. Partake of what the DUDE has to offer ... and live.

  • May 30, 2001, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The riff-raff filed out of here yet? ;)

    by Pallando Blue

    I spent last night watching my new copy of "Forgotten Silver" and every feature on the DVD. And my head is SPINNING. That TV-NZ project, how it was done and the spirit behind the entire endeavor... Well, it's increased my already-high expectations for LOTR tenfold. Fascinating, truly. Seeing his other films is a great look at PJ's style, but his talents as a director, the raw technical expertise as displayed here, so intimately... How he can pull off so much with so little, his command of the illusion of film, but never forsaking the human drama... Well. Get this, Get "Forgotten Silver" I implore ALL of you, the DVD if possible. Not that the picture's spectacular (rather poor copy of a print, really), but for the features. Unfortunately the commentary track is by Costa Botes, co-director and longtime friend of PJ's and not PJ himself, but still quite informative (if a little dry). The making-of could have used more how-we-did-that footage, too, but still covered the bases for something done in the spirit of low-budget filmmaking. Eagle-eye recognition skills factoid: Co-Director Costa Botes played the alien in Bad Taste that Derek (PJ) splits in half with the car (remember, the one with the entrails draped over the headlight during impact?), and then the alien's upper half fights off the chainsaw-wielding Derek by chucking pine cones at him. *** Haven't even proofread this gush-fest, not much time to play lately. Posted a minor tragedy over in Moriarty's Pearl Harbor TB yesterday, mainly cause a lotta the blokes I been reading in these parts were annoying me no end just to READ 'em (and then I perused some of the PH defenders--ohmygawd!). Example, herzaeff4e27123 up there. And Saturday a big fat long post of mine (huh! long-winded? Moi?!) got dumped from my home PC in a freeze-up, and after slapping my monitor silly I was still bitter for a few days. For the record, morGy, I had taken up the geek gauntlet you mention, with a bit of Tolkien-inspired philological deconstruction of the word and its contextual applicability. :) But, in the spirit of the topic at hand, I mainly want to chime in with yet another HOLY CRAP WASN'T THAT A HELL OF A TRAILER!

  • May 30, 2001, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Heh, methinks the DUDE is just bored, no harm in that ;)

    by Pallando Blue

    But the DUDE's also unimaginative, and that's just a shame. Trying to stir a small commotion with weak, ancient, inapplicable stereotypes, that is the oldest of hats. And the picture you paint... I can only feel (said with a grin) smugly bemused, wondering how often today you'll be checking here for a response. (You're welcome!) And speaking of unimaginative: with someone else's character! Fully fleshed out for you in a popular film. As a matter of fact, though, Jeff Bridges didn't actually talk that much in the third person, nor in all caps. Try catching the spirit of The Dude, and not just an impersonation of an impersonation, like one might find in second-rate sketch comedy. ...Ah, sorry bout that. I'm here at work, a little food-and-sun coma after a lunch date (hella cute, think it went damn well, too!) and I'm just as bored as you are. :)

  • May 30, 2001, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Mr Dude

    by BG

    I resent being called a Geek. I am in fact a super Geek. I would happily take my pasty-white, pimply, bespectacled face outside to get some sun but unfortunately it's the middle of winter down here at the bottom of the world and I would freeze my balls off. I try to get a girl friend, believe me, but every time it gets to the point in the evening when I get my undercarriage out to show my prospective girl friend what she's got to look forward to, they always scream and run away. One even called the police. What's wrong with girls these days? Anyway, I will gladly drink from your well of wisdom, I will give myself a stereotypical pseudonym from a film character, go to a net site that is the equivalent of 'the corner of Geek Street and Nerd Avenue, Geeksville, USA', act surprised that I'm surrounded by so many Geeks, then proceed to insult them all. Wow! I can see why you get your rocks off doing this! Man, now this is living.

  • May 30, 2001, 8:05 p.m. CST

    More ramblings...

    by Penny Dreadful

    I'm glad they're going with the flashbacks; it's perfect. I can't wait to see how Bilbo will be portrayed as younger and then older--sort of a feat to make it really believable, but I've got faith! And as for favorite moments, Pip's D. (who is still MIA on the boards-AHEM, you've got some explaining to do;)), I thought it was seeing the words appearing on the ring, but I've decided that it's at the very end, when the ring is jammed on to a finger...momentous. Is it Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo? Will they go back that far? I don't know but it's just a jolting image. ***I know I'm an unfamiliar face, but I was cordially invited to the place where tailenders sit back and relax, so er, hello to anyone still reading this!!

  • May 30, 2001, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Miami...

    by BG

    ...you

  • May 31, 2001, 6:42 a.m. CST

    BG! What do you mean, PJ was pulling your leg?? It was on film!

    by Pallando Blue

    Heh, just kidding. I knew going in--hell, "hoax" "Spinal Tap" and "Zelig" are all over the box, fer crying out loud. (Going to make it very tricky to fool my unsuspecting friends...) Anyway, the name Pearse did ring a bell when the narrative got there, but the Wrights at Kittyhawk are so ingrained here in the States I had to have the narration spell out the significance for me. Yep, I figured that would've tipped folks off--so did Jackson and Cotes, according to the DVD extras. But the guy who played Colin McKenzie had a funny anecdote. When the program aired, he drove up to his parents' house to watch it, and they invited some other friends and neighbors over. By the time they got to the Pearse "footage" most of the room was leaning forward in their chairs wide-eyed, muttering "Fascinating! Astounding!" and the like, despite the fact that "Colin McKenzie" was sitting right next to them. Haw! That's just damn effective filmmaking. *** You know, I choked on my drink twice in the first twenty minutes--the Great Egg Robbery and the first color test (and ensuing smut charges)... oh my lord, hilarious. Helped to know it wasn't real, but hey. Just more bits PJ and Botes thought would have tipped the public--but they did their jobs too well! The dry documentary delivery is perfect. Still cracking me up. And Stan the Man! I watched that section three times in a row and still laughed! Laughing now! Brilliant! Colin's widow, "And the audience ONLY laughed when he beat the child." Trust me, people, it's actually funny. Man, I'm putting it on again tonight. *** For the record, it isn't 100 percent comedy. There is some very real human drama, pathos, and sadness to parts of Colin McKenzie's life, with a very bittersweet ending. To think LOTR has a director that not only has the real, physical craft of filmmaking down so adroitly, but also has such a fine touch on the human level. Tolkien's humor is going to be present along with all the whiz-bang--and not with the ham-handedness one might expect from an action/adventure director. PJ is about the characters, and the FX are just the means to the end. I'll say it again, this 54-minute television bit, moreso than his feature films (which I've watched often now and always enjoy), has increased tenfold my confidence in what PJ will bring to our screens this December. GET FORGOTTEN SILVER! I do wish the "Behind the Bull" extra had more on how they pulled off some of the effects. Especially the crowd scenes in "Salome"! I had to find out in Botes' commentary that those 10-20 seconds took up 20 percent of the film's budget, and included composite photos and digital repetition (or whatever they're called). Frankly, I was astounded--it's absolutely seemless. I honestly thought PJ had a crowd of hundreds rioting before a palace set, with just some of the background added digitally. I wish they described how that was done. And back to the Pearse footage, there's a quick blip of a model aircraft in front of a blue screen, but no real talk on that shot itself--again, even knowing that it was all faked as I watched it, I didn't realize until I saw that blue-screen studio shot that there wasn't a genuine flying machine. Never occurred to me to think the obvious, "The story's bogus, so what exactly did I just see crash into a hedge?"

  • May 31, 2001, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Mr. Mofo, allow me to counter-offer

    by Pallando Blue

    I'll happily take 10 degrees off your hands in Miami, if you throw in some extra rainfall, in exchange for a couple metric tons of pollen from my neighborhood alone. My black cat comes in the house yellow. And then sleeps on my bed. Ugh. *** Welcome to the Tail End, Penny Dreadful! (Trust me, we're still here, still reading.) Although--yet another set of P.D. initials could get confusing. You two could always, um, ;*) wrestle for the use of 'em... >ahem< (Didn't think so, that ploy never works.) *** As for favorite part of the trailer, hmmmm... that IS a poser! After some thought, I guess I love those manipulative tense silences, before the big action; beautiful teaser construction. "No one knows it's here, do they?" No answer, uh oh. Frodo looks worried. "Do they, Gandalf...?" Horses CRASH through the gates of Bree! Excellently evocative of the main motivation through Book One. They're comin, git movin! And of course, the next similar moment: Frodo V.O. "...There is no other way..." then (but for a muffled heavy drum) silent Moria shots, a beat, fade out/in to another silent shot of the Men peering uneasily around a corner, a beat, fade-out/in on Frodo (still looking worried! ;) "There's something down there!" fade out then in again, but on a seemingly-empty-cavern shot with that spinal-cord-freezing "Myyy... preciousssssss...! sssssikktktkhiktitkhkkk!" and one lingering fade-out over that hissss... then BAM the quick-cuts. (And amazing shots they selected for THAT closing sequence!) Being on the ass-end of the 13- to 30-year-old male demographic for whom this trailer was deliberately cut, well, they win. Hooked me deep, and now I want to see these movies. ;) As for favorite stillshot, when paused, out of the trailer... I'd have to say the Rider leaning over the tree root with the hobbits huddling beneath. The scaling there is right in line with the scaling in the Fellowship posed shot--and damn if that Rider isn't frightening. HUGE! I feel like I'M hobbit-size, and that MONSTER is about to sniff me out! I'm purty darn positive parts of these movies are going to scare the poop out of folks. *** Last two bits I'll chime in on, I agree nope NO "dream sequence"--I mean Gawd, can you imagine? Although maybe somewhere in the trippy Bombadil chapters, but we know that ain't gonna happen. Gandy's just haggard and panicked, which I think will be quite jarring after his early, composed scenes with Bilbo. And the Scouring theories with Grima, I wouldn't mind that scenario in the least! Could work very well as far as necessary narrative compromises go. Not sold on it though, not much I AM sold on yet regarding the other two movies--as far as I'm concerned anything could happen still. I mean, if there's Elves at Helm's Deep, who knows? I am VERY curious as to where somebody read that PJ himself SAID there would be a SOTS in some form. I had thought that was never officially addressed... If so, very interesting indeed. *** As for Elijah's "accent" M.M., there's a few Brits here and my office, and my brother-in-law is too. They resoundingly gave Wood the thumbs-up, and just like that one Brit earlier in the TB they love few things more than slamming an American attempting a British accent. My brother-in-law (who's not a big moviegoer) said, "I thought that actor was American. Nice to see them cast English." After reading taht Tolkien linguists and dialect coaches were kept on set, I stopped worrying about accents a while ago. Woo-hoo! Forget hurricane season! Just think on this: just nineteen days after hurricane season begins, it'll only be 6 months until The One Movie comes out! YESSSSS!!!

  • May 31, 2001, 7:47 a.m. CST

    And finally, if you want naysayers

    by Pallando Blue

    Just wait a couple months when, according to TORN, the "marketed-toward-chicks" trailer will come out. ;) Supposedly to play up the fantasy and romance, as opposed to the fear and fast action evoked in this trailer. Now THAT will be a fun Talkback!

  • May 31, 2001, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Jeez, it takes a whole new TB to shut me up.

    by Pallando Blue

    NOT! .....and LAST!

  • May 31, 2001, 11:49 a.m. CST

    ...it's not a trilogy...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... nt