HERC Reviews The ANGEL Finale!!
Angel 2.22 FAQ
What’s it called?
“There's No Place like Plrtz Glrb.”
It’s written and directed by series co-creator David Greenwalt (author of “Dear Boy,” in which Angel learns Darla is really back, “Happy Anniversary,” the one with time-freeze boy, and the excellent “Dead End,” in which Lindsey gets his new hand).
What does TV Guide say?
“The sophomore-season finale has things popping in Pylea as Angel, Cordelia, Wesley, Gunn and the Host find it increasingly complicated to get out of the foreign dimension. Figurehead princess Cordy is trapped in the palace by the ill-intentioned priest Silas, who is also responsible for the Host's recent beheading. Luckily, Lorne's bizarre physiology allows his ever-talkative head to survive, provided his body isn't mutilated. While Cordy helps the disembodied noggin complete himself, a lost-in-the-woods Angel (David Boreanaz) bonds with fellow refugee Fred (Amy Acker); and Gunn (J. August Richards) and Wesley (Alexis Denisof) get caught up with a band of rebels.”
What’s TV Guide not telling us?
Groo, fueled by his love for Cordelia, ends up fighting the Angelbeast. Otherwise, TV Guide pretty much tells the story.
Does Krevlornswath get his body back?
Of course. Groo helps to secretly transport it home to Camp Deathwok.
When is the return flight to L.A.?
In about 55 minutes.
How long does it take for “Army of Darkness”-like automobile mayhem to kick in?
There is no “Army of Darkness”-like automobile mayhem. We don’t see the car again until it crashes through the portal into Krevlornswath’s club.
What? It never occurs to Gunn or Angel to chase around those evil monk guys with a black convertible?
Does Krevlornswath return? Does it look like Fred’s a regular next season?
Angel’s car seats six.
Cordy, at one point, is offered the chance to purge herself of her painful visions. Silas, we learn, has a “doomsday device” capable of decapitating every slave in Pylea.
The big news?
This is technically a crossover episode.
Yes? Any sign of the interdimensional mayhem Buffy has to deal with tonight?
Nope. It’s all over with by the time the gang gets back to HQ.
Having seen the “Angel” finale, are you more convinced or less convinced that the “Buffy” finale is a cliffhanger?
Are Wolfram & Hart lawyers waiting for Angel & Co. when they get home?
No. But someone is.
Is it Dru and/or Darla?
No. (Screen Actors Guild permitting, Julie Benz is starring in the WB’s new Kevin Williamson series, “Glory Days,” come autumn).
Cordy remains half-naked the entire episode!
What’s not so good?
It looks like the writers squandered every one of the fun surprises last week. The big shocker tonight is the aforementioned absence of automotive mayhem. And where 2.21 came packed with big-time hilarity, this one conjures nary a giggle (though not for lack of trying).
Herc’s rating for “Angel” 2.22?
The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
***** better than we deserve
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins
Swing the crebbil! Swing the crebbil!
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May 22, 2001, 12:54 a.m. CST
What the hell does that mean?!
May 22, 2001, 12:59 a.m. CST
by Toby O Notoby
May 22, 2001, 2:17 a.m. CST
if u really wanna know, the gang arrive back in L.A only to find a teary eyed Willow waiting with bad news.......about Buffy
May 22, 2001, 2:25 a.m. CST
by spike fan
The whole episode sounds shit and no where near as good as To Shansu in LA. Though I have to ask that Angel going off to Xena land while pretty much dropping and ignoring every other arch was kind of dumb. I just think they should have tied up the Darla arch with her being staked before doing a Hercules Impression.
May 22, 2001, 2:36 a.m. CST
It's not the way on Angel to actually KILL the Big Bad. Okay, on Buffy it's common practise to ensure that all nasties are dealt with by season end, but Angel, Wolfram and Hart, Darla and co. look like they're building up towards a much bigger ending than a series finale....
May 22, 2001, 4 a.m. CST
Fred was a librarian, which leads me to believe that she was quite the bookworm, so who better to hook up with good old Watchery Wes. I'm glad to hear that the Host will make it out alive this time around (I didn't realize how much I actually liked the guy until those last 10 seconds). It's kind of funny, I never really liked this show until I started reading the positive feedback from these talkbacks.
Herc, I do not think that you get Angel's dark style. It is not suppose to be a comedy or even a repeat of Buffy. And who cares about ARMY OF DARKNESS like use of a Angel's car and just because they do not do this is not a reason to dislike a eps. Like most critics you blindly heap praise on Buffy, how you gave the last 3 Buffy's 4 and 3 1/2 stars is beyond me, Tough Love and Spiral, WOTW were all stupid and slow. Dark and Broody is what both Angel the character and show are suppose to be and that is how I like these. But all I need to remember is that you loved DARK ANGEL and thought it was the best thing.
May 22, 2001, 4:31 a.m. CST
by spike fan
How did the Knights know Buffy and Co were in the RV? How did the Knights horses manage to out run an RV? Why were the Scoobies dumb enough to stop at that way sation when being chased? Why were the Knights dumb enough not to dress normal carry gun and drive cars? These plot holes do not make a lot of sense.
May 22, 2001, 5:36 a.m. CST
by Mr. Smegma
Or is it Kunta?, No matter. Get yerself to webwasher.com and download a free proxy that'll scrub annoying gifs and ads from your screen. I've used it since its beta several years ago and it is pretty foolproof.
May 22, 2001, 6:17 a.m. CST
Here's how I interpreted the episode: 1) The knights probably had spies who noticed them leaving, so they knew what kind of vehicle to look for. Or any variation on this theme: I'm sure the Scoobs were just as suprised as we were. 2) The RV was a real old piece of crap, and didn't look like it was breaking any speed records. From this perspective, it's not much of a stretch to imagine that the horses could catch up with something that crappy. ;) 3) I don't think they had much of a choice as to where they stopped, I mean it was the desert, and they lost the RV (on it's side, remember). Despite how hopeless it was to lock themselves up inside the garage, it was probably the best place to be, aside from outside. Screwed either way, you see. And they had Giles to tend to as well. 4) That's a good question. Don't forget that we did recently see three of the Knights at a hospital where one almost killed the lady behind the desk. They were all wearing regular clothes. So it must be the way their people are. Perhaps it's against their code of honor or some such thing to use ranged weapons or something. Or maybe they're just idiots. :D
May 22, 2001, 7:27 a.m. CST
Here, we get Angel on Thursdays and Buffy on the Saturday that follows. I've already read the spoiler in the talkback answering how it's "technically a crossover". So... ***SPOILER Q FOR ANGEL/BUFFY*** So, w.r.t. the ending of Angel mentioned above, if she's waiting for them, does she say what the terrible news is or does it end before she gives away too much? My wife's an anti-spoiler fanatic so I want to know if I should tell her to tape Angel and not watch 'til Saturday.
May 22, 2001, 8:58 a.m. CST
...we can infer that the recent rumors were true, and Angel will glimpse Buffy and call out to her as they pass through dimensions. So does that mean than Buffy will end up in Pylea and not heaven or hell?
May 22, 2001, 9:01 a.m. CST
Some one said in another post that buffy opens the portal that allows angel and rest to get home. This might be the cross-over that isn't. Also that plane ad has been giving me some trouble too.
May 22, 2001, 10:34 a.m. CST
I just read an interview with David Boreanez on Cinescape this morning and he said that Angels character will be more of an action hero next year and less brooding. That will be nice. I hope they dont go back to this Piea place though. These episodes have been lame. Where are Dru? Darla? They just drop that storyline? This crossover thing stumps me. We'll see.
May 22, 2001, 12:04 p.m. CST
I figured the ending of Buffy would have somehow tied into Angel and Co. getting back home. Like maybe Glory succeeds in bleeding Dawn and causes the various dimensions to bleed into one another... allowing the gang to enter thier own dimension before Buffy does whatever she does to stop it. Who knows?... I'll be glued to my television all night!
May 22, 2001, 12:06 p.m. CST
That is all.
May 22, 2001, 1:25 p.m. CST
And I'm using a fucking cable modem at a university! I've gone through three different work stations and they've all crashed and I keep seeing that fucking banner on that weird Mummy-esque wall paper. ARRRGH! On another note, Julie Benz is working on a new show? NO! Why can't Whedon lock down these semi-regulars, dammit? Darla and Lindsey probably won't appear most of next season, and that just sucks ass. I can live without Kate, but still. Whedon, stop inventing these last minute regulars like Gunn and now Fred and lock down the really cool characters for a change. Okay, Gunn is cool, but Fred is not. In fact, now that I'm hearing the finale is slow, this only helps to mess up season 2 even more. Why are you letting the season end on such a whimper? It was slow to get started, then it really killed all for a while, then it slowed down again to practically a crawl. That sucks. And it sucks even more that you're only doing it to destinguish this show from Buffy. Stop it! Make it good, not different! Somebody once tried saying that this season was like Empire Strikes Back with the climax at the start and the rest only a lead in for the next film. This person needs to watch that movie again and pay attention. The opening fight was not a climax. It was only an opening battle. The rest of the movie was a build up to the "I am your father" revelation, not ROTJ. In fact, that moment was the climax of the trilogy as far as I'm concerned because the confrontation in Jedi lacked Leia's presence which was crucial after revealing her to be the sister in the story. But I digress. My point: the climax this season was when Harlon Manners appeared, revealed Wolfram and Hart, put simply, will never be defeated by Angel because it is the manifestation of evil on earth, and that depressed Angel enough to go and sleep with Darla. That was the way to end the season. I know Joss hates cliffhangers, he's wrong BTW, but that would have been the right place to end the season as far as good story telling and drama are concerned. This has been a slow death of an ending and I'm really very disappointed by it. Next season had better get back on the ball and stay there . . . oh wait, Julie will be busy. crap. Ah well, WB will cancel this show thirteen episodes into next season anyway so we'll have a long wait before it can make its move to UPN. Mabye that other show will die in the meantime and she can become an Angel regular then.
May 22, 2001, 6:07 p.m. CST
I have not seen two hours of television that good in a long time. I wonder was JW has cooking for next season.
May 22, 2001, 6:09 p.m. CST
You know what I was talking about.
May 22, 2001, 6:11 p.m. CST
Wow, another great, funny episode. And I got to say, there are way to many cute cow-boys in the Host's world. The surprise visit from Willow confirms one thing, Angel will be part of Buffy's season opener. While, of course, this is not for sure, it is logical. Somehow, someway, Angel will crossover the "network" pond, and save Buffy from whatever Hell she's gotten herself into. Dawn will never be the Slayer. With Angel's help, Buffy will be back!
May 22, 2001, 6:22 p.m. CST
Did anyone else notice his eyes shoot open when Cordy ordered the cow to take off her clothes?? He knows what's up and which way to swing. Anyway, just wanted to say that episode kicked ass. Herc was way off base on his review (yet again!). That show was packed with action, good amount of humor, and good character development for Angel and Gunn (he hasn't forgotten his experience back in LA, as witnessed by asking Wesley to go back and help). Herc, what the hell do we need to see a car scene for?? Is that what Angel is about??
May 22, 2001, 6:29 p.m. CST
This episode didn't stink, but it wasn't great either, not like last week's. This was just okay. The humor didn't work as well--though I loved the "You love me?" "Not you, dumbass," exchange between Angel and Cordelia. Also I thought having Gunn deliver the bit about racial relations was a little preachy in a way Whedon doesn't usually do, but I agreed with what was said just the same. Only a nice finale, last year's was better. I eagerly await what next season brings for both shows, and hope Angel gets back to the good stuff.
May 22, 2001, 6:33 p.m. CST
well herc you're the best reviewere on this site but you were way off with your review for angel tonight. while i agree that it wasn't as good as last week's and it was nowhere near as good as buffy tonight, it was still a great episode, and that ending?! my god! did ANYBODY see that coming? i didn't. i mean, yeah i saw buffy but i didnt' expect willow to be on angel tonight.
May 22, 2001, 6:39 p.m. CST
Every time I hear of a surprise Angel appearance, I keep hoping it'll be Faith. Eh, maybe next year.
May 22, 2001, 6:45 p.m. CST
Angel, the show, is about redemption. As much as we all love Faith, she can't just be redeemed and cured after one year in prison. Now, if she breaks out and goes all evil again, that's one thing. But to have her released this early cheapens her redemption, the same way Angel suddenly becoming human at the end of tonight's episode would cheapen his redemption.
May 22, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST
Wow. Go Wesley, you hot thang you! Buffy was pretty good, but so far Angel is better (except the whole weak 'inner demon' subplot. This show is better directed than Buffy.
May 22, 2001, 8:54 p.m. CST
And I mean that in the same affectionate way Lorne ment it. This ep was Great. It did resolve some of the issues this year about Angel going off the deep end in December: "I fired you because the darkness was coming and I wanted you out of harm's way." Wes saying "If you try to prevent anyone from getting killed, EVERYONE will get killed." As for Drath: 1) I did say "Empire Strikes Back" builds toward Darth's revelation. 2) I quoted Lucas since he has said in interviews that the big action climax was the first 1/3 of the movie. Now back on topic: Maybe the car was not used because the WB and Fox would not pay for another car to be destroyed, so using it was out. P.S. Drath: Leia's lack of invovement may have to do with Fisher's drug use at the time.-----later----m
May 22, 2001, 8:58 p.m. CST
PLEASE PLEASE don't let her cut her hair. Long haired brunettes are SO FINE.----later-----m
May 22, 2001, 9:18 p.m. CST
How quick Angel was to jump on the idea that Cordy was in love with him? Hmmmm?
May 22, 2001, 11:12 p.m. CST
That Angel and Cordelia scene has just confirmed the following Joss interview that they're planning to show Angel's vain and petty side. So even though Angel has no intention in Cordelia other than as a friend, it must have hurt his ego that Cordelia completely ignored him like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The joss interview at Sci-fi.ign.com: "There will always be karaoke, because karaoke's funny," he says. "[Angel] went to a very dark place last year, he's going to a very different place this year. Very unexpected, very emotional. But we will always try to balance with the funny, because [David] Boreanaz is truly funny. And we have more fun with the character when we lighten him up -- when we show how cheap or vain or petty Angel can be. We're going to put him through a lot of stuff, that's really going to pull him, emotionally. But we're not going to turn him into a I-don't-speak-for-a-whole-episode killing machine, 'cause we did that. So, yes, the fun will be there."
May 23, 2001, 12:03 a.m. CST
by vroom socko
Man, between Buffy, Angel, and The West Wing, this summer is going to be agony. I also want to voice my approval of both the Watcher boys going the vicious bastard route tonight. I also want to make a truly tasteless joke about Fred and eating taco's, but it's late and I don't want to risk getting banned. That gal is one babe of babes.
May 23, 2001, 1:35 a.m. CST
I don't think a new slayer will be activated either... i think that when a slayer dies then a new slayer is activated but only one slayer is activated per slayer, not per death.. so let's say that this event never happened... let's say that buffy went on in her life and eventually the end that will never come on the show but must come to every slayer happens and she dies... for good! For keeps! No substitutes and no spells, Buffy dies... well i don't think a new slayer will be activated when and if that does happen. I think that when buffy died that first time, that the power or whatever was sent to kendra... and that the power to activate the new slayer was transferred to kendra as well... and now the power to activate the next slayer lies soley in the death of Faith. See, the way i figure, if it was true, that all the slayer had to do was die and be resuccitated after a few seconds to activate a new slayer, then i think the council would have been trying to do experiments on buffy once they found out there was a new slayer, that way they could have a whole army of slayers, right? i think the only way that a new slayer will be activate due to the events in this season finale will be if dawn receives the power because she is part of buffy. That said... actually, i think that's all but i'll be back soon i'm sure
May 23, 2001, 3:52 a.m. CST
by Wicked Willow
She was really Take Charge girl(or Princess of Power,take your pick)there and it's a shame that Gru couldn't go back with them. I loved it when she beheaded the head demon priest and took control over Pylea. Wesley did great-he went into Watcher mode truly and the Council should've seen what they gave up when he was shown the door. Glad to see the Host alive and Fred looks like she will be a great addition to the team. With Willow showing up at the end,I smell a crossover in spite of the network switch-good!!!
May 23, 2001, 7:14 a.m. CST
Wait wait wait.......Angel will be on mondays at 9 on WB Buffy will be on Tuesdays at 8 on UPN......So when the season premire rolls around will the"buffy resurection" begin Monday at 9 on WB's Angel? Or Tuesday at 8 on UPN's Buffy???? HMMMM
May 23, 2001, 7:54 a.m. CST
It seems pretty obvious to me why they didn't use the car...they needed it to all get back in one place. Remember, if they didn't have metal around them when they went through the portal the Angel crew could end up anywhere in the world. (And for Angel that could be in the middle of somewhere where he couldn't protect himself from the sun, like say the Pacific Ocean or Antarctica.) If it were damaged in the fighting, there'd be no way to get back safely. To Zitoman: "Buffy" will be premiering in August so I figure it's got at least a several week headstart on "Angel". Which means that they'll be dealing with Buffy's death on "Buffy", and not so much on "Angel". Since the season opener's slated to be 2 hours long, they'll probably resolve the whole Buffy death thing with time to spare to explain the show to wrestling fans.
May 23, 2001, 7:57 a.m. CST
they may not be. if UPN doesd the buffy premiere in august, WB may still hold off angel until mid-september or so. 'cuase they're bastards that way.
May 23, 2001, 8:54 a.m. CST
There were a few episodes in the first half of the season that actually made me think the show had real potential. The best moment in the series thus far, next to Dru re-vamping Darla, is Angel leaving the Wolfram/Hart lawyers for Vamp food. For about 2 weeks, Angel was its own show. Now it's back to being Buffy's little brother, which is too bad. It still plays like a Saturday Matinee - the understudies come out to play. Second-string characters, meandering scenes. The actors do a fine job (most of them) but don't really get a chance to shine. The show moves, but doesn't seem to be going anywhere. One hopes that it will find its way next year, when the long shadow of BTVS is removed somewhat.
May 23, 2001, 10:21 a.m. CST
I thought it was pretty darn swell. I liked how Wes took the part as leader of the rebel "cows" to heart. And did anyone notice how Gunn realized that Wes is a leader? Nice. The "I need him to think it" line was good, too. How Angel came to realize that he could control the "demon"inside of him. How Cordie swipes off the head of Sylus....classic! How Cordie said good-bye to Groo. Priceless. The whole Lorn head, body thing - great! And let's not forget - "Lomphar (?) do the dance of shame...." And YES, a crossover in the midst! By the appearance of Willow! Even though the reason behind it is very, very unbelievable sad. And Angel's reaction to her appearance - heart wrenching. I really really believe this ep was VERY deservant of three stars. I have been so impressed with this cast all season. They have turned this show into something that can stand on its own. I do still wish that UPN took this show also - but maybe in some wierd freakish fate thing, it could mean good things for next season!
May 23, 2001, 10:28 a.m. CST
by Sylvia Simon
And waiting, and waiting. Man, this summer is going to suck. With having to wait for LOTR, Harry Potter and the season premieres of Angel, BTVS and Boston Public, I'll be a nervous wreck. Loved the season finale - definitely worth more than 2 1/2 stars (sorry, Herc!) I howled when Lorne spoke up and Angel, Wes and Gunn jumped back from the basket! And what's up with the Wolf, Ram and Hart books in Pylea? Verrrryy interesting. The ending - seeing Willow waiting for them - just made me go all misty all over again.*****P.S. - did anyone figure out which charachter Joss played in the last ep (or if he played one at all)? My money is on Numfar.
May 23, 2001, 11:33 a.m. CST
Fred will be a regular? OK. Fine. But WHY? What is she going to add to the show besides some not altogether unwelcome eye candy? She doesn
May 23, 2001, 2:04 p.m. CST
by Sylvia Simon
...since Cordy, Buffy, Xander and Willow all graduated at the same time. Making the huge leap that no-one was ever left back at any time, they would all be the same age. Since Buffy's gravestone says 1981-2001, that would put 'em all at about 20. I think the 30'ish look you are seeing on Cordy is just bad body/face tanning makeup.
May 23, 2001, 2:08 p.m. CST
by Sylvia Simon
(continued from prior post) Wow. Charisma IS 30. But still, she usually looks "dewier". Hey, it's a word.
May 23, 2001, 2:46 p.m. CST
Cordelia looks 30 cause Charisma IS 30. Period.
May 23, 2001, 4:10 p.m. CST
Cordy is half nekked, Fred turns out to be a looker AND a brain. Lorne ain't DEAD! Hell, I got up and did the dance of joy just for that. I thought for sure the Wheddon twits had off'ed him, removing the single most colorful character to come along since the show began! Thank god a braincell is still active there. It was a FUN, enjoyable episode that helped ya relax and take it easy until the ICE COLD WATER OF REALITY slapped you in the face when you saw Willow sitting there and the truth of BTVS came rushing back to you. Cool episode. 5 stars baby.
May 23, 2001, 8:54 p.m. CST
Well done episode, and the ending just rocked. I'm going to shoot my mouth of here and note that Wesley and Gunn have both become fairly ept in a brawl. The dynamic duo seem to be more capable of handling themselves against various and sundry nasties than Buffy's flunkies. With the end of the season exception of Willow. Even Spike seems to be slowing down in his old age. I mean, the lad got captured by like five troll things. Short troll things, and Xander was there. Here's the mouth shooting part: Wes and Gunn would have mopped the floor with the silly troll minions. No question about it.
May 24, 2001, 12:29 a.m. CST
It's the truncated celebration. A happy ending that wasn't going to happen. Angel and his friends were so happy to come back home only to be slapped by another painful reality by Willow's appearance. BTW, I think Willow's appearance can't be count as crossover. I think it was more of a guest starring/appearance. A crossover would involve a storyline that crossing over the two sides like "Fool for Love" two-parter as opposed to "Disharmony". Willow was basically there just to deliver the bad news. I do hope that there will be at least a crossover in the new season finale that will show Angel and his friends (at least Cordy and Wes) coming to Sunnydale to help the Scoobies. WB, UPN, you better let this happen or else!
May 24, 2001, 4:08 a.m. CST
by Lily Drop
I like Fred a lot. She is really brave; she has no fear of Angel. I see her having a huge crush on him. I think she will add some innocence and sweetness to the show, and the fact that she is damn smart and brave should make her an asset to the team. Remember, she knew how the portals worked, so if she knows about those type of mystical things, she should be able to help with other things of that nature.
May 24, 2001, 4:35 a.m. CST
I can't believe it's taken me 36 hours to realize it. The story arc now makes sense. Wes, Gun, and Angel teamed with Buffy, Spike, and Willow would have taken Glory in 30 seconds. TPTB (re:Team Whedon) must have something really big for us over the next 2 years.-----later-----m
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