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CLARIFICATION!!! EXCLUSIVE!! QUINT'S Got The Biggest RED DRAGON Scoop So Far!! Who's Directing'! Who's Starring'!
Hey folks, Harry here with an update on the following information! After reading the below information that Quint and West Coast Evil Operator Moriarty put together I set out to see what I could find out. Turns out that indeed Michael Bay has taken a meeting and read the script for Ted Tally's RED DRAGON. However, no negotiations are going on between Dino and Michael because as of yet, Michael has not decided if he wants to do this film. Michael has GORY DETAILS and that King Arthur project on his plate at the moment, and might want to do those first, which would mean passing on RED DRAGON... but as of yet he hasn't decided. As for Cage? I could get no confirmation on Nick Cage's involvement in RED DRAGON, but Moriarty seems to have some solid sources on this (yes, I do know those sources).
I have just finished reading Ted Tally's script for RED DRAGON... I believe it to be a masterpiece of writing. Tally's scripts are one of the pure joys of script reading in this world. And this is his finest work I've read to date. Superb and haunting. As for Michael Bay directing it? I have enjoyed Bay's films immensely thus far, but I believe that this would be a terrible choice for him. Michael loves beautiful imagery in his films... and for certain... the images that Tally's script conjures could be made beautiful... but dear lord... they should not be made beautiful. It would be wrong. AICN will continue to keep ya updated!
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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Oh, boy. Sometimes you just stumble across one. AICN's favorite resident old salt QUINT was hanging around online a little earlier today, scaring people by randomly Instant Messaging them stories about the sinking of the INDIANAPOLIS ("Their eyes was black like doll's eyes..."). He tried to scare me, and we started talking back and forth. Suddenly, Quint gasped.
Don't ask me how I knew this over the Internet. I just did. He gasped.
"OhjesusgodNO," he said.
Even in simple black character on an AOL IM window, I could feel the panic. I could tell that something had rattled Quint deeply. He told me what he had just been told by a highly reliable tipster, and I asked him if we could use that piece of info. The tipster made us promise we would never reveal that he was Ted Tally, and we agreed.
Oooops. Er, I mean, we promised that we would lie and SAY it was Ted Tally. Right. That's what I meant.
I called two other sources to see if I could get a confirmation on this, and each of them confirmed half the rumor for me. The pieces fit, so I hopped back on with Quint and told him that it looked like he had, indeed, broken the name of the director and actor that are currently being offered the helm of RED DRAGON and the starring role of Will Graham.
He sputtered, "I'm going to write something up right fucking now. The hell they're going to fuck with this script and not get bitchslapped about it."
Now, I haven't finished this script yet. Quint just reviewed it, though, and loved it. I just got a copy mysteriously delivered to me last night, and I've only been able to read the opening, the sequence where Will Graham actually catches Hannibal Lecter. I'll tell you this... it's amazing. It's a Lecter that is far more threatening than in SOTL or in HANNIBAL. This is still a Lecter who believes he'll never be caught.
I can understand Quint's rage at the names he heard. I really can. I can understand why the original tipster told us, "They're going to fuck it up." I am going to try to say this without giving in to the kind of hyperbolic rant that Harry had against some of the casting on SCOOBY-DOO, but it's not going to be easy.
I just can't picture RED DRAGON starring Nicolas Cage, directed by Michael Bay.
But that's what they're looking at right now. Oh, yes... it's true. Bay and Cage have it, and it's a great piece of material, the best script Bay's ever had offered to him. He'd be crazy to turn it down. He'd also be crazy to take it. No matter what, someone's going to call for his head.
Cage as Graham? Could work, I suppose. But he needs a director who will push him to do his best, who dares him to be the character actor who I adored in the '80s instead of the movie star I couldn't stand in the '90s. Cage needs to be dangerous in a way that he was never allowed to be in, say, 8MM. He needs to take us over the edge with Graham so we can feel what it's like to be caught in a killer's mind.
And Bay. Oh, Michael. I've gotten a reputation around these parts as a Michael Bay hater. And that's not the truth. I have yet to like one of his movies, but Michael fascinates me. He's a hell of a nice guy in person, actually somewhat reserved. I've had a chance to visit him twice during the production of PEARL HARBOR, once to sit and watch almost 40 minutes of the film with Harry. I honestly can't tell you what I think of PEARL HARBOR yet. The 40 minutes we saw was about half-attack, half-dialogue, and there was some gigantic stuff in there, some awesome work. The real key to the film will be the heart, though, the emotional story. So far, Michael's dropped the ball with this stuff. The "animal crackers" in the underwear scene in ARMAGEDDON has to be the most painfully unrealistic love scene in any film in recent memory. Christopher Reeve and Michael Caine didn't look that uncomfortable kissing in DEATHTRAP, fer chrissakes.
If he takes this material, he's got the biggest challenge of his career ahead of him. This script is almost a dare. If he can make this film without cranking up the style and burying the elegance beneath a landslide of pointless pyrotechnics, then RED DRAGON could be a significant next step for him. If he isn't able to do that... well... maybe he should hand the script to the next director on the list. Because nothing will be worth the headache he'll get from the constant freaking out of a legion of Thomas Harris fans if he doesn't get it right.
Anyway... our crusty seaman Quint gets the credit on this catch. Kick ass work. He's reviewing, he's interviewing, and he's scooping like a muthafucka, all in the same day. Way to go, Quint!!
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No.. no no no no no.. That can't happen.. Won't happen.. Don't ruin this movie. Go let Cage and Bay make the next space-prison disaster flick. Don't let them touch this one, don't let them breath in the direction of this one.. by God.. Don't Give Them This One!!
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Only in Hollywood would you give something as supposedly excellent as the Red Dragon script to those two.....
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...don't let this happen! The Nicholas Cage thing I don't mind. He could pull it off. He's done it in the past, not present, but in the past yes. I just can't believe they're going to try to get Michael Bay. That is so unbelievably lame. He hasn't proven himself to do that kind of a movie yet, let alone any kind of movie mind you. I'm not here, this isn't happening. NOOO!!!!
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Very scared, Cage- I guess... Bay- I'm scared. LONG LIVE MANHUNTER!
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Who the fuck is playing Hannibal?
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For Chrissake.
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May 17, 2001 1:34:47 PM CDT
David Fincer should direct, damnit!! And, uh, is Jude Law still
by eric draven
yeah, man...Fincher kick ass, kids...and how un-fuckin-real would it be to see Hannibal Lecter in a movie by Fincher?
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I, uh..... hm. Well, you see..... okay, let's start with..... I mean, how do you..... Aw, to hell with it! I'm just gonna shut up on this one.
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NO WAY!! NO WAY!!! I can't even understand the need to remake it anyway, Manhunter is a fantastic film. If they do do this it needs class, subtlety and a deep un-nerving even nasty impending terro. I just can't see Michael Bay or Nicholas Cage being able to deliver that. The trouble with Cage is, and he said this himself in a promotional interview for Captain Corelli, that he always looks like he's acting. Don't get me wrong I like his style and most of the parts he's played, but he performs, and looks like he's doing so. Now I've never read the book, but judging by William Petersen in Manhunter the part has to be played by someone far more articulate and intense. As for Michael Bay, this is Mr.Blockbuster. Big, Awesome, huge, emotional. That just is not the right style for a wicked thriller. I'm all for directors doing different things but, Bad Boys, The Rock, Armageddon and Pearl Harbor are all of the same ilk. Sorry, but I think I'll stick with Michael Mann's version. (They could always get him to remake it!?)
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NO WAY!! NO WAY!!! I can't even understand the need to remake it anyway, Manhunter is a fantastic film. If they do do this it needs class, subtlety and a deep un-nerving even nasty impending terro. I just can't see Michael Bay or Nicholas Cage being able to deliver that. The trouble with Cage is, and he said this himself in a promotional interview for Captain Corelli, that he always looks like he's acting. Don't get me wrong I like his style and most of the parts he's played, but he performs, and looks like he's doing so. Now I've never read the book, but judging by William Petersen in Manhunter the part has to be played by someone far more articulate and intense. As for Michael Bay, this is Mr.Blockbuster. Big, Awesome, huge, emotional. That just is not the right style for a wicked thriller. I'm all for directors doing different things but, Bad Boys, The Rock, Armageddon and Pearl Harbor are all of the same ilk. Sorry, but I think I'll stick with Michael Mann's version. (They could always get him to remake it!?)
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How about John Woo, with Tom Cruise as Graham? Or Scorcese with Joe Pesci? Robert Rodriguez and Antonio Banderas? Brett Ratner and Chris Tucker? Joss Whedon and Sarah Michelle Gellar? No, wait! I got it! Freddie Prinze Jr. DIRECTING HIMSELF! That's it.
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about how this could be a step up for Bay. I like how he at least appears to be skeptical, but (key word) OPEN-MINDED about this prospect. He'll be willing to give Bay a chance with this film, something far too sensible for 99% of the talkbackers(who largely make final decisions on films w/o ever SEEING them-see ANY PH talkback) to grasp. So, let's watch as the maniacs spew about how Bay sucks and is the devil.
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Bay sucks. And...oh yeah...he's the devil!
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May 17, 2001 2:01:15 PM CDT
Hannibal sucked anyway! It can't get much worse! Oooops! Sorry.
by superhero
Hannibal does not exist for me much in the same way that Robocop 2, Highlander 2, Superman 3 & 4 (except for Annette O'Toole as Lana Lang and the Clark vs. Superman faceoff) and all sucky sequels (yes, Phantom Menace IS included!) do not exist in my mind. I block them out in my brain much like the traumatic incidents that they are. Sequels are a ridiculous waste of time with only some proving an exception to the rule. Do you know how long it takes to develop a REALLY incredible script? Yet so many studios think that they're going to be able to match the brilliance of a first, original script in a few months so they can pump out a sequel in time for summer. Then again I'm forgetting that the sequel isn't about good filmmaking it's about money. The movie can suck all it wants to but if the movie that preceded it was great then it'll bring in tons of money! Oh, well. You can bet your sweet ass that I'll be skippin' this one when it comes out!
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and William Peterson can play Graham, and Brian Cox can play Lecter, and Dennis Farina can play the FBI boss. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S CHANGE THE TITLE TO MANHUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!
Why make it again??? Just so Anthony Hopkins can be in it? They may have changed the title, but other than that, it was pretty faitful to the book. Only major difference was less back ground on the Tooth Fairy (the book went into his childhood) Leave well enough alone...if it aint broke don't fix it...one in the hand is beats two in the bush... -
I mean, its OK, Manhunter was pretty good but SOTL and H(annibal) were both way overrated. BUt this, what the fuck? Nic Cage is the worst thing that has ever happened to movies i mean Wim Wenders should beat him in the face with splintered wood. And Bay? Bay? what the fuck? all of a sudden i don't like hollywood again... wonder why?
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Hear me out. I think few would be displeased with Fincher directing RD, but I know many of us would object to Pitt, seeings how he's a pretty boy and all. But I think Brad Pitt could pull it off. And since his name is attached, how about Nicolas Cage as Francis Dolarhyde? Cage has demonstrated some emotional range, and he can be a kick-ass villian. Just a thought. P.S. I always thought Red Dragon was a much better read than Silence of the Lambs. Just some thoughts...
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May 17, 2001 2:47:56 PM CDT
Tim Burton directs Johnny Depp (Graham) and Christina Ricci (Han
by spacehog
Or Spielberg and Drew Barrymore reunite, with Drew playing a younger Clarice Starling who, at the end of the film, gets hit on the head so she doesn't remember any of it.
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What the fuck is the deal with this!!!!??? I just got done reading the script review, and i'm saying to myself, "well fuck me, this might not be half bad..." but then this load of goat crap gets thrown at my face...I'm at a loss for words. BTW...Anthony Hopkins character is now the owner of a store: UNPAINTED LECTER, and gets his baby stolen by the tooth fairy, Now it is up to him and Nicholas Cage to solve the crime through a series of cryptic clues, but the twist is...they actually seem to be in love!! Also, the movie we be retitled as "Crap", and be the first movie released direct-to-anus.
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May 17, 2001 3:00:04 PM CDT
To all those who said "Yeah, they should remake Manhunter"...
by man out of time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is where you all eat your words.
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May 17, 2001 3:15:55 PM CDT
you know where i stand on this, but just in case you don't...
by tommy5tone
the new movie should be graham's search for lecter. david fincher, m. night shyamalan or christopher nolan ('memento') to direct. shit, maybe neil labute could give it a shot. russell crowe or jason patric as graham. ralph fiennes or james spader as lecter. nicolas cage as graham is an interesting choice but he couldn't pull off a similar challenge (having his mind fucked by coming face to face with pure evil) in '8mm', so i dunno if he could do it here. as for michael bay...we all know the man's not about subtlety. harry said it himself: bay's technique is putting larger than life comic book frames on the screen. it won't work for 'red dragon', i tells ya. as for bicycle bob's comment, just because bay wants to stretch his low-budget thriller wings doesn't mean he should. because you know what michael bay with a lower budget would look like? antoine fuqua.
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I will quit going to the movies forever.
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May 17, 2001 4:00:21 PM CDT
I contacted De Laurentiis' office this afternoon about this...
by smilin'jack ruby
...and the quote from him DIRECTLY is: "The rumor is completely false. Neither a director nor an actor to play Will Graham has yet been decided." Not an assistant, not a flunkie, but that's straight from the Thalberg winner's mouth right there.
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Let's see...a mind-numbing, migraine-inducing Michael Bay Crapfest of Hannibal dining on choice People McNuggets? Hell, let's do a tie-in with McDonalds. Aerosmith can cut a track just for the commercials. I've already got a title, "Dude Tastes Like a Lady". Snoogans.
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this sounds like crap. cage stopped being a quality actor 10 years ago. michael bay is boring. come on hollywood come up with something good like david fincher directing with edward norton in the lead.
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Now I thought The Rock was very enjoyable, and Armageddon wasn't all that bad really, but Michael Bay is completely wrong for this type of film. I was excited with the positive script review, but this news has got me completely bummed now.
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I really dont think Anthony can look young enough to play himself before silence of the lambs. I really dont. BUT I HAVE AN IDEA!!!! Just make the film after hannibal, when he gets caught. That simple. I know you guys might say, that wasn't in the book man, but we are already halfway through the pool of blood, its generally going to be the same ammount of trouble anyway they take it. What do you guys think? Would it be that bad of a thing for the red draggon to happen afterward? I don't know, maybe it will take the ZAP out of the ending that everyone is raving over so much.
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No matter how bad it is, it's bound to be better than Hannibal.
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If they had just called Manhunter "Red Dragon", we might not have even had this problem.
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May 17, 2001 5:45:36 PM CDT
based on prior work, if Michael Bay got the script for Halloween
by jrcash
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May 17, 2001 6:09:58 PM CDT
the character actor who I adored in the '80s instead of the movi
by bari umenema
It was true when Sean Penn said it, it's just as true when Moriarty says it.
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From: Michael Bay
To: Production Team
RE: RED DRAGON
I have included a summary of the following changes to be made to script. I enjoyed the draft you all sent me and I think we're almost on the same page. Please understand I've put a lot of time and effort into this with my team of writers. Some of these are negotiable and remember, the important thing is we all have fun!
1. I would prefer to change the killer in the film from the edgy, cleft-lipped Tooth Fairy into a large, red, fire-breathing dragon. I beleive this will aid in both box office and titular significance.
2. The story should be placed in an area suceptible to more natural disasters to encorporate more destruction (perhaps the killer dragon can control the elements -- fire tornados? Just a thought, I'm shooting from the hip here).
3. The lead character, Will Graham should be re-named immediately. My suggestions are by no means mandatory, but something along these lines... HOYT BAXTERPUNCH, HARRY HEARNS, CRUNCH BARRINGER, EARL NAILS, JOHN SMOKE... etc.
4. The score must be completed under my supervision. But I do insist that Aerosmith be commissioned to write a ballad for the picture. I've spoken with Steve Tyler and he said, and I quote, "That would be slammin'."
5. To speed the pace up, a significant portion of Act Two could be placed on a runaway train a la' Runaway Train. Perhaps John Smoke and the dragon are both stuck on this locamotive and a fire tornado is chasing them and it will blow up if it goes under 300mph or something of that nature -- you get what I'm saying.
6. Instead of making the film a prequal, consider making it a sequel. We could digitize Tony Hopkins to make him look much older -- then we say that he spent all the time from Hannibal until 2026 constructing a time machine to go back and face the only thing that ever scared him -- the Red Dragon. We could use his fear of the dragon to allude to his homicidal ways and comment on the plight of mankind in a doomed universe, encorporating elements of the herafter, the infernos of hell, and the nature of existence itself. Why are we here? What does God look like? How could he create such a world where the little things are so often hurt?
It is with great confidence that I send you these notes as I'm sure you have been patiently awaiting my feedback. Please contact me with any questions -- I've got many more suggestions far to complicated to put to paper. Once again, I look forward to working with you folks, and please check out Pearl Harbor!
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(1) stop disrespecting 'halloween 3: season of the witch'! it's a cool-ass '80s b-movie that deserves much respect. if it didn't have the 'halloween' name attached, you'd all be signing its praises. "silver shamrock", motherfuckers! (2) writerSMG, that was the funniest thing i've read on this site that wasn't written by buzz maverik. hee-hee...john smoke. and remember what five-tone told ya: the new movie should be a PREQUEL - graham hunts lecter. jason patric as graham. james spader as lecter. christopher nolan directs. you know you want it.
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May 17, 2001 7:51:25 PM CDT
suuure let Bay fuck with this one, i won't be pissed at all
by hotsonofabitch
God damn it all to hell! When the fuck is this god damn industray going to wake the fuck up and stop ringing the towel dry on every god damn series. Leave it alone. It really boils my cock when the thin-headed pricks love to fuck with good material. I don't want this fastasical idiot Bay even reading this script. Hell, i'll take any low key director who can make his cast nail thier parts over a Rock-video jackass who can't direct for shit! I'M GOING MAD! MAD I TELL YOU!
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BUT, even though his movie are visual geek-fests for me, I realize how BAD Bay and Cage are for this project. Somebody said DePalma, and that would ROCK!! But why not Jonathan Demme? Everybody but a few losers agree that movie is cooler than kewl, so why not recreate that feeling a little? As for Graham, I like the sarcastic suggestion of Johnny Depp. Why not Ed Norton? They are both just about old enough. This suggestion may be a little too old, but this role would be GREAT for Harrison Ford. For Dolarhyde they should get a "VIRTUAL" unknown, but not TOO unknown. If ya gotta go famous, and I know I'll get TONS of SHITE for this, Bruce Willis. I know he's a little old too, but I like it. Hopkins OWNS the role of Lecter. Some make up and a quick couple of lines about how Lecter has not taken care of himself in prison can explain away his shape. You could even include something about his doctor starting him on a diet and fitness routine. Maybe he follows it because he has a number of plans for his escape, but now needs some physical conditioning, thus expalining his eventual look in "Silence". But PLEASE!! NO BAY OR CAGE!! (Praying it is a rumor):<
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May 17, 2001 10:06:42 PM CDT
But Everyone Knows Bay's Next Film Will Be BEATNIKS VS. THE FLYI
by buzz maverik
From a screenplay by Paul Attansio and Scott Rosenberg, produced by Jerry Bruckheimer, natch. Cage is in it, playing William S. Burroughs, who pilots the reverse engineered craft that defends earth against the champions of a star conqueroring empire. Ben Afflek will play Jack Kerouac, Josh Harnett will play Neal Cassidy, with a now-blonde Liv Tyler as his wife Caroline. Giovanni Ribisi will play Allen Ginsberg. It'll be another slam bang yet thought provoking hit in the Michael Bay tradition.
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Flame away, but Will Graham could be a great comeback role for Kevin Costner. Don't think "Postman"/"Message in a Bottle" Costner - think "Bull Durham"/"The Untouchables" Costner. Of course, the oft-rumored Jude Law as the young Lecter would be fantastic. David Fincher directing. And give WriterSMG the rewrites - that guy's hilarious. Of course, Michael Bay will get Nic Cage, Ben Affleck as the young Lecter, and Shannon Elizabeth as Graham's brainy love interest.
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so there's this great film called Nikita, no seriously its awsome! and and..........oh yeah its in french better remake it as a piece of shit with no class.
then theres this film film called man hunter, it rocks, its so cool and its got hannibal lecter in it........what? no not anthony hopkins, the other dude....oh. better remake it as a piece of shit with no class.
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If it turns out to be true, the ONLY course of action is for us all to BLOW OUR HEADS CLEAN OFF WITH A SHOTGUN!!!!! THIS IS THE WORST NEWS I'VE HAD ALL YEAR!!! Cage was an interesting actore once, but not now...he was so BAD in captain Corelli, I was in physical PAIN watching him!!! And as for Michael Bay...I just cant put into words how I feel....he is indescribably awful. Jonathan Demme and Michael Mann, WHERE ARE YOU BOTH WHEN WE NEED YOU??? By the way, I laughed aloud at the suggestion of Freddie Prinze Jnr directing himself in the lead!
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On the rocks...
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NO! NO! NO! This is going to be the biggest crap fest of all time! What are we going to see - Hannibal violently mudering someone in slo-mo and orange filter, framed against the American flag?? Bay is a worthless hack when it comes to making anything with a serious edge. Now i'm off the view the world in orange filter through the bottom of a pint glass....
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I agree with Quint that Manhunter, while it is a really good film, really doesn't do the book justice. There are some breathtaking twists and turns in the book, better even than those in silence of the lambs, and manhunter the film really wasn't the mindblowing film that it should have been. Jonathan Demme got everything right with Silence...it is a masterpiece and is genuinely suprerior to Manhunter in every conceivable way. To be frank I think that arguing Manhunter is better is just the "COOL" thing for film fans to say. Silence won the top 5 oscars, and deserved it....but theres always a backlash against best picture winners. If Ted tally's script is as good as everyone says, and the source material definitely is, then if only someone like jonathan Demme was handling it...then we would have the prospect of another cinematic classic.
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It was the first and best book.
I picked it up in Woolies for a quid years ago as holiday reading and was rivetted. A great story, good characters, realistic procedure and a brilliant ending that had me jumping with fear and adrenalin. Overlooking its now dated 80's look and heavy handed scripting, Manhunter fumbled the ball and finished at half time. Its always disappointing to compare a film to a book. Without true creative vision the film will always come off second best. A great director can hijack our disparate imaginations and impose a true collective vision that we all identify as ours. Like lord of the Rings.
I would like to see a less styleised director do itto keep it grounded, and pump more fear into the film.
The last one especially the dinner scene just had everyone laughing in the cinema. Lector was a parody. More Oscar Wilde. The only scary bit was in the flashback video where he jumps the nurse.
Anyway my vote goes to the Director of Memento. Bay is good at opratic action and slow mo with big tunes over the top. I want calm undertow. Jason Patric is a good choice. A strong actor. Nic Cage is enjoyable but I find him too quiet and I do wonder about his judgement after the Superman Lives debacle. Silence had it. Hannibal and Manhunter didnt for different reasons. Its obvious really....isnt it?????? -
ok, nic cage...maybe. michael bay??? armageddon was one of the worst movies i EVER saw. i read in an interview with harry recently that he loved that movie and cried during it. that is why i can't ever trust harry's opinion.
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IS THERE NOTHING FUCKING SACRED ANYMORE!!!!!! It's bad enough that I've had to deal with ignorant bastards for the last ten years doing stupid, moronic Anthony Hopkins imitations but now these same idiots will rejoice in the summer glow of another blockbuster based on a book that was to difficult for them to read!!!!!!! There is only one true Hannibal and his name is Brian Cox!!! When will the perversion stop? How can a beautiful movie such as Manhunter be re-made with such subpar talent across the board? If they make another piece of shit, I will never see another movie in a commercial theater again!!!! I have to stop now or my head will explode. Thank you all.
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Somebody needs to kidnap Dino De Laurentis, and somehow get him to hand the rights over to someone who isnt going to fuck it up... If Michael Bay turns it down, I expect he will offer it to Renny Harlin, and then Jeremiah Chechnik...and then possibly Simon Wincer. And then Roland Emmerich. The silly old Italian bastard!!!
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In Silence there is one key scene where Starling is on the doorstep with the killer and a moth flys out... Clarice suddenly has a moment of clarity and realisation. And so does the killer. He knows that she knows that he is the killer. Even better is that he knows that she knows that he knows she knows he is the killer... Great stuff!!!!!!
Flip back to a scene in Red Dragon. Will in Lecters office chatting blandly - eyes wandering the room. Suddenly he KNOWS LECTER is a nutter!!!!!! and whats more LECTER/LEKTOR bloody well KNOWS HE KNOWS etc.
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Nick Cage is Will
Bruce Willis is Lektor
Sean Connery is someone from Scotland who lives on a golf curse in Spain.
Micheal Bay Directs with Joel Schomaker doing Second unit, Lighting and closeups of Nics arse. Nic does method and goes nuts.
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You forgot one key person Dr.X, Jerry Bruckheimer as the mad scientist with his finger on the volume. He has an overwhelming need to make the music sooooo loud that it shakes your balls off!!
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Michael Bay directs Heath ledger as Will Graham...and in an interesting twist on the material, Elizabeth Hurley plays a FEMALE Lector! This would get subtly reintroduce the simmering sexual tension that was an undercurrent in Silence. Also starring Ernest Borgnine as Jack Crawford, and Chris Rock as the hilarious Barney. And Arnold Schwarzenaggar as Dr Frederick Chilton.
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You are a sick, perverted GENIUS!!!
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Holy shit. Good God almighty. (composing self). I've never seen such a line-up of crap-ola. On a side note, I don't want to see the term "young genius" or "finding his style" ever applied to this manure merchant EVER. He's 36; at this age, Kubrick had made Paths of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita, and was getting reading to film Dr. Strangelove. Stack that up against "Bad Boys"! Maybe he is the Barry Switzer to Jerry Bruckheimer's Jerry Jones, but the thought of giving him Thomas Harris' masterpiece is truly nausea-inducing.
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...so that MGM can have an ANTHONY HOPKINS AS HANNIBAL LECTER DVD 3-PACK. Actually it'll probably be a 5-pack...'SOTL,' the new 'Red Dragon,' the 2-disc 'Hannibal,' and maybe a 90-minute documentary called 'Breaking the Silence: In the Kitchen with Hannibal' or some silly shite like that, with interviews with all cast and crew involved in the films, which you can only get with this special boxed set (a la the new 'Kubrick Kollection'). Because y'see, it's a thorn in MGM/DeLaurentiis's side that they can't have all 3 films, since Anchor Bay owns 'Manhunter.' It's not enough that they have the final 2. No, they have to redo 'Red Dragon' with Hopkins as Lecter to 'complete the trilogy.' It is a CORPORATE DECISION so really y'all, why get so flustered that they're considering the Anti-Christ to direct? 'Manhunter' will still be there and still be cool, and you can still stack it next to your Criterion edition of 'SOTL' (or the upcoming MGM edition if it's any good) and the 2-disc 'Hannibal' and that's the only trilogy that matters. IT'S OVER. Anything else they do will be a footnote.
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American flags billowing as Lector eats a census taker.
Dump the milk Ethel, the cat drinks unleaded from now on. -
Not Michael Bay, please God no! For the love of Harry, don't have Bay direct this movie! Bring back Demme. Bring back Scott. Hell, I'd take Mann over Bay on this, and he's already made this movie once before (albeit, poorly in my book).
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Michael Bay makes terrible films. They are dumb, patronising, sickeningly sentimental and, most insulting of all, assume that their audience are idiots. He clearly believes that in order to be a commercial success (which is obviously his only motivation) he needs to apeal to the lowest common denominator. The fact is that this is simply not true. Quality cinema like 'The Sixth Sense' and 'American Beauty' demonstrate that you can be entertaining, commercially viable and smart.
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Red Dragon was the first Thomas Harris book I read and I liked it a lot,but Lecter was pretty much the backstory,not the main character for fucks sake!They're going to hype this movie as another Lecter film and blow it.(I say Will Ferrel as Graham,Chris Kattan as Lecter and Jeffery Combs as The Tooth Fairy)
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Talk about a franchise going down the toilet, from one movie to the next. Go from masterpiece to visionary fluff to a hack film. God help us...go buy Mann's Manhunter on dvd and witness a real director in action. Oh yeah..fuck Pearl Harbor.
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Read the damn book again! Graham proved Lector was the killer, but was NOT the one who caught him. The story of how Lector was taken into custody has NEVER been told!!!
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May 18, 2001 8:08:58 AM CDT
First of all, I bet this rumour is false. And second of all...
by salem hanna
...there are far worse directors I can think of than Michael Bay.
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Why you wanna make Chris Rock dress up in a purple dinosaur outfit? Has anyone else done this joke?
Also why not call it "Lector. The Movie" In which our hero gets dropped into the Vietnam jungle and has to eat his way out whilst persued by angry ex USA war vets angry that they have been found. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Clarice Starling sits at her computer playing games and watching the telly. -
....Or Raiders of the Lost Lecter.
George Lucas is Hannibal Lector cannibalising the movie industry with a nice white wine.
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Take the worst and most overrated director (Bay) and the worst and most overrated actor (Cage) and put them together. There you have a formula for idiotic action, quick jump cuts, cheesy acting and more teeny-boy pleasing eye candy than any intelligent adult can stomache. If they MUST do this picture they can at least get Mann back. If HEAT and THE INSIDER have proven anything it's that Mann has grown as a director. And you can do what you want with the rest of the cast but Petersen and Cox will always be the quintessential Graham and Lecter.
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In the first part of this installment you say that you enjoy Bay's films "immensely" and in the older part you say you've yet to see a film of his which you enjoy. So which is it, fat man? Bay blows and so do his craptaculars. And if you like him, so do you.
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Harry has liked Bay's films, and Moriarty has YET to like a Bay film.
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It's going to be animorphic with lots of extras. I think there are going to be tons of extras on the Silence DVD too. You will tell me when the lambs stop screaming, won't you?
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I just read the latest red dragon scoop and i am at once joyed and saddened. joyed that they are still on track to make a new film version of red dragon(dont get me wrong, manhunter is one of my fave films) as the possibilites of this are endless. there is so much that manhunter didnt cover that would be epic on the silver screen, like the whole metropolitan art museum scene(think russel crowe's breakdown/cgi secene towards the end of insider) i however was saddened to hear bay's consideration and !?!cage!?! i once joked to a friend about 'brockhemier prsents hannibal!' with cage as an fbi agent. ughh. red dragon is one thee best books i have ever read, and if the reports of tally's script being great are true, the scenario needs to follow through.
which would be a truly edgy director. this would be a film that mixes both realism with dreamlike scenes(i was irked that they left the mindscape/marble columns out of hannibal, even though scot used dream sequences in gladiator) directors id like to see for red dragon:
*david fincher
*tarsem singh(weve seen what he can do with truly avant garde, if not bros. quay ripped off visuals)
william graham:
as much as id like to see peterson(whos getting newfound fame on csi) they want top billing on this one...i have no idea on this one. any suggestions other than cage?
francis dollarhyde:
as someone posted earlier malkovich might be good(he played a great serial killer in the line of fire)
crawford: get the guy from sotl...who was that, scott glen?
lecter: its gotta be hopkins...though his wanting to do a third outing might wear thin as whose involved gets clearer.
finally, while the 'red dragon' era lecter attacking nurse nod in hannibal was nice, i can only begin to imagine the masterpiece red dragon could be on film.
:: xlogik ::
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May 18, 2001 3:13:01 PM CDT
For the record, Manhunter and Hannibal were better than Silence.
by kdraines
Why? For the main reason that Manhunter was done first and in its day was an extremely intense flick! Yes, today it looks very 80's but the mood of the film still holds. William Petersen had me riveted as Graham and Cox was an amazingly creepy and icky Hannibal. He was frightening because he didn't outwardly give you any reason to be frightened of him. And he was brilliant. Petersen's reluctant spiral into semi-darkness because he can't let the killing go on and his unraveling of and eventual discovery of Dollarhyde is wonderful. The scene where he discovers how Dollarhyde is seeing the films is fantastic.
Hannibal was better than Silence mainly because it put Hannibal in an environment where his behavior appeared less threatening, thus making him that much more of a threat. His display of love and compassion for Clarice is apparent because she is the only person in the film with any honesty or conviction. As far as I'm concerned, Silence took itself way too seriously (as did many of its fans). The book wasn't even that good. A truncated version of Red Dragon at best, and the movie had overblown music and a hammy performance by Hopkins. The best thing about that movie was Foster's performance.
Leave it the hell alone, Dino. Nobody wants this one made but you. -
Hugh jackman as Graham, then again
I want to see him in every movie and every leadin role. He is a god. I don't know too much about
directors, but I do know Bay sucks shit, and I think Peterson
sucked as Graham and that fucking
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Since when has AICN become about liking only serious, down to earth, ARTSY pictures?? Why do none of you like Michael Bay's films?? They are sooo much GOD DAMNED FUN!!!! Isn't this the same web site that people argued on a year ago about the positives and negatives of a character named JAR-JAR??? JESUS PEOPLE!!!! Stop acting like FILM SNOBS!!! Bay's films are about visual and emotional excess!!! You are supposed to go, have fun, eat some FRIGGIN' popcorn, and go home knowing you just spent $20.00 for pure, mindless ENTERTAINMENT!!! ANd if you think Hopkins as Lecter SUCKED then you TRULY are missing the BOAT!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THE TOP!!!! He's not the guy next door who shocks everybody, HE'S A TRUE FRIGGIN' PSYCHO!!!! And Hopkin's portrayal of him is GENIUS!!!!! Keep your snobbery to yer self and go rent BAD BOYS, fer CHRISSAKE!!! Have a BEER!! LOOSEN UP!!!!
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I dig Michael Bay, and I agree that his stuff is a bit "ahem" stylized to say the least, but I have a feeling that's due a bit to the fact that he's been stuck in the BLOCKBUSTER stigma that comes with the Bruckheimer/Late Simpson production. Are there other directors that I think could do a wonderful job, of course, but I think he could do it justice. As for Nicolas Cage I'll have to side with the majority saying I don't see him as playing the part unless his performance is dramatically different than anything we've seen from him recently.
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For some reason this project does not particularly interest me. MANHUNTER wasn't perfect, but I can't think of any good reason to remake it besides the fact that HANNIBAL made a lotta money and Dino luvs money! Granted, "Red Dragon" the book was waaay more unsettling and profound than MANHUNTER turned out to be, but I don't presume a new film will get that much closer to the peculiar literary accomplishments of the book. But... I would definitely waste two hours of my life on this if Christopher Nolan directed. As Graham? NNNNNN... Johnny Depp?
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ALBERT BROOKS IN BROADCAST NEWS:
"What do you think the Devil is going to look like if he's around? Nobody is going to be taken in if he has a long, red, pointy tail... He will look attractive and he will be nice and helpful and he will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation and he will never do an evil thing... He will just bit by little bit lower standards where they are important. Just coax along flash over substance...Just a tiny bit. And he will talk about all of us really being salesmen..." -
May 19, 2001 9:19:11 AM CDT
by the way, moriarty... i hate what this site is turned into...
by hisroyalhigh
'i don't like any of his films but he's a hell of a nice guy.' (in essence) this is completely moot. people might respect you in reality if you didn't backpedal so much (with obvious motives --- "just make sure to say something completely moot so i'm invited back to the production of mr. bay's latest exercise in the degradation of cinema").
but you did help to validate mr. brooks' point, so thanks. -
ahem -- this is a compelling argument especially since i have not looked at my watch as many times throughout the previous duration of my life as i did during armageddon and nearly two rows of people walked out of the rock when i saw it in theaters (not me). i think his films are quite the opposite---boring and lifeless and cold and obvious. he usually fails at the the very things he is attempting to anchor his movies to --- effects, pyrotechnics, explosions, etc. etc. i think he's possibly the worst director working today---he is given these megabudgets and still fails nearly across the board except perhaps his trailers, which incidentally seem to be replacing word-of-mouth as a box office determinant.
but maybe that's just me.
and if you really, seriously think his films are somehow fun (in their intended sense), why do you still pardon mr. bay for not injecting an ounce of content that rises above profoundly retarded?
if bay's films themselves are "about" anything at all, they are inadvertent (i assume) studies in bar-lowering
it's not about eliteness or snobbery, it's about demanding products that do not underestimate and insult the american public at large so regularly, that we start believing we are as unintelligent as these directors are assuming (or telling us) we are. so i've had it with this guy and i'm not seeing any more of his films, ever. and my word is good: i haven't seen a george lucas-dir. film made past 1977 and have no desire to. -
Nice Bloom County reference, Durhay! Wonder if anybody else got it. Anyway, yes, it's true - Michael Bay sucks. "The Rock" was mindless fun, but the rest of his films are just mindless.
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A bunch of geeks on a web site says Micahel Bay sucks doesn't make it so. He is considered a successful movie maker because his movies make money. Therefore, the movie-going public,including myself, like him. Money success is a hard thing to deny. He must be doing something right. NOW, go rent ARMAGEDDON and let your mind wonder into a COMA of pure GEEKDOM!!! AND FER GODS SAKE-SEE "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK"!!! Seeing every Star Wars movie 200 times should be a requirement to just LOOK at this site!!
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I agree - in a coma is the only way to enjoy "Armageddon."
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Nobody but Anthony Hopkins could play Hannibal Lector. I am not saying that another actor could not play the part convincingly, but you can't really expect the general public to go see a Lector movie without Hopkins playing the part. If they are going to make this movie and expect to generate the same kind of box office success that SOTL and Hannibal generated then they need Anthony Hopkins. It wouldn't be that hard to make Hopkins look young enough for the part..just slap some fake hair and a butt load of make up on him to make him look about 20 years younger.
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May 20, 2001 5:39:49 PM CDT
Anything directed by Michael Bay is guaranteed to suck.
by rollo tomassi
this guy is Hollywood's worst director. I can't believe he has fans.
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http://us.imdb.com/Title?0091474
So if they are going to re-make it then at least get Micheal Mann to do it again. -
Come on guys, you're ARGUING over Micheal Bay. Look at the real problem - there hasn't been a classic Hollywood film in 18 years (No, you Edwins, Pulp Fiction does not qualify). Why? because Hollywood is running from the independent film challenge by throwing money at the problem. Bay is the recipient of this crisis. Just because he may be a bad director doesn't mean he's not capable of making a good film. That does not mean that he has made good films but taking his record into context it seems that the original issue here -his proposed direction of Red Dragon- wouldn't be a bad choice economically speaking for Hollywood, just another artistic fart from the ailing system that is trying to stave off change.
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