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Buffy 5.21 FAQ
What’s the new “Buffy” called?
“The Weight of the World.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Doug Petrie (author of the Spike-centric “Fool For Love,” the Glory-introducing “No Place Like Home” and the watcher-heavy “Checkpoint”).
What’s TV Guide say?
“Willow psychically enters Buffy's troubled subconscious in an effort to somehow reach the Slayer, who has been rendered catatonic by Glory's abduction of Dawn. Meanwhile, Glory vents her frustrations on the limitations of being part human to a frightened Dawn; and Spike, Xander and Giles work on undermining the hell god's nefarious plans.”
Why did Buffy go all catatonic at the end of last episode?
We learn that Buffy came to believe (at some point earlier in the season) that there was no way she could save Dawn from Glory. Now that Glory actually has Dawn, Buffy has collapsed into a coma of shame, wracked with guilt about having given up on her kid sister.
Is Buffy catatonic the whole hour?
She snaps out of it just before episode's end.
The big news?
Willow has turned into Marvel Girl! When Xander and Spike start to tussel, the telekinetic redhead flings them violently into opposite corners of the derelict gas station without lifting a finger! And her telepathic ability (while perhaps not on Professor Xavier’s level, I will point out here as nerdily as possible) is sufficient to coax the slayer back from the abyss!
Cool!
Not only that, but with Buffy and Giles on the injury list, former nerd/wallflower Will steps up to lead the Scoobs! By the end of the first act, she’s handing out marching orders: Xander, take Giles to hospital; Anya, look after Tara; Spike, find Glory; I’ll deal with Buffy.
What’s good?
The Mr. Short-Term Memory stuff provokes many a guffaw.
Mr. Short-Term Memory stuff?
Remember how, many episodes ago, Dawn witnessed Ben turning into Glory, then immediately forgot all about it?
We do...
All of the scoobies who witnessed Ben turning into Glory last week have completely forgotten about it!
What? All the scoobies?
All of them. Unless you consider Spike part of the slayer circle!
So Spike remembers?
Witness this exchange:
SPIKE: Will, don’t turn me into a horned toad for asking, but what if we come across Ben?
WILLOW: I don’t think a doctor is what Buffy needs right now.
SPIKE: Well, yeah. Especially not one who also happens to be Glory.
GILES: What do you mean?
SPIKE: You know. Ben is Glory.
WILLOW: You mean Ben’s with Glory?
XANDER: “With” in what sense?
ANYA: They’re working together?
SPIKE: No… Ben is Glory, Glory’s Ben. They’re one and the same.
ANYA: Well, when did all this happen?
SPIKE: Not one hour ago! Right here, before your very eyes. Ben came, turned into Glory, snatched the kid and vanished, remember? You do remember? (The scoobs just stare at Spike like he’s nuts.) Is everyone in here very stoned? Ben! Glory! He’s a doctor, she’s the beast! Two entirely separate entities sharing one body! It’s like a bloody sitcom. Surely you remember!
XANDER: So you’re saying Ben and Glory…
ANYA: Have a connection?
GILES: Yes, obviously, but what kind?
(Spike is getting so frustrated he begins to laugh.)
SPIKE: Oh, I get it! Very crafty. Glory’s worked the kind of mojo where anyone who’s seen her little presto-chango instantly forgets. And yours truly, being something other than human, stands immune.
WILLOW: So Ben and Glory are the same person?
XANDER: Glory can turn into Ben, and Ben turns back into Glory.
ANYA: And anyone who sees it instantly forgets!
SPIKE (touching his own nose) Kewpie doll for the lady!
GILES: Excellent. Now -- do we suspect there might be some kind of connection between Ben and Glory?
(Spike clenches his eyes shut in frustration.)
Do we finally see the under-contruction Sunnydale highrise that will serve as the site of the season finale?
We do. Well, at least its interiors.
What’s doing with Glory?
Glory’s human body seems to be exerting an influence on the hellgod. She says she’s feeling guilt about all the horror she’s planning, and whinily protests that she doesn’t understand why. “I’m not supposed to feel guilty. I’m not supposed to feel anything. I’m a god. I’m supposed to be above it all!”
So there’s hope for Dawn?
Yes, but not a lot. There’s considerably more hope when Ben reappears and helps Dawn escape.
So Ben is still a good guy?
We learn this week that Spike is officially a better boyfriend than Ben. After Ben and Dawn escape Glory’s lair, there’s a marathon morphing session wherein Glory and Ben converse for the first time. Glory offers Ben immortality if he climbs aboard for the big win. Ben, realizing cooperating with Glory is the only possible way he can survive, agrees. When we last see him, he’s dragging Dawn back toward Glory’s lair.
What’s the inside of Buffy’s head look like?
It’s busy replaying two moments: the best and the worst of Buffy’s life. The best, featuring a five-year-old Buffy, was when Buffy met her newborn sister for the first time. The worst, featuring a 20-year-old Buffy, was when Buffy realized she couldn’t save her sister from Glory.
We see Hank and Joyce?
Dean Butler and Kristine Sutherland guest-star, however fleetingly.
What else lurks in Buffy’s tortured brain?
Willow witnesses a replay of the First Slayer informing Buffy that “Death is your gift.” Dawn’s pillow and Joyce’s grave put in surreal appearances.
What’s up with Doc?
Xander and Spike pay him a visit hoping to find Glory. (Note that Spike is aware that Doc is a demon even before this week’s visit.) Doc advises against any dealings with the hellgod: “Glory. Glory. Oh! You don’t mean Glorificus? Why do you want to get mixed up with her for, that’s a sure way to get yourselves killed!” But before the scene ends, Doc will be revealed to be a Glory worshipper, he will exhibit a surprising physical attribute, and Xander will ram a sword through Doc’s demon heart.
How does it end?
Giles reveals the awful truth.
Herc’s rating for “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” 5.21?
****
The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins
I may be love’s bitch, but at least I’m man enough to admit it!
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Glory is by far the worst one yet. I wish they would have stuck with Dracula.
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I never thought I would say this, but I am looking foward to Angel rather than Buffy. Angel has just out performed it all season.
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Every time I come into these reviews knowing damn well they'll spoil the episode for me. And then, when I find out what happens throughout the episode, I'm suddenly disappointed. Can someone please explain that one to me?
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Got to differ. Everything about Glory has been ludicrously cool.
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She's pretty cool and clever enough to figure out that it is the slayer's friends that makes the slayer herself strong. Sever the ties and she's one big mess. Adam, on the other hand, yawn...now that's one boring villain and the truth is, he dragged the whole season 4 down. Glory is definitely an improvement over Adam.
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Can we get an award for these guys?
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The Best Damn Villain I've Ever Seen.
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Am I the only one who felt Adam was a pretty cool big bad? Sure, he wasn't the best there is/was, but he was still compelling enough to pose a serious threat, and to make the fourth season interesting.
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E Online's WANDA has put up a list of finale spoilers on her site, some of which are fake, but the ones that i've guessed are fake are kinda obvious so i'm thinking it's possible this might be true...who knows...here it is though.
Buffy:
In the final battle with Glory, Doc gets the best of Spike and pushes him over the edge of a tall platform. Buffy watches helplessly from afar as Spike plummets--to his death.
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Yay! Herc managed to get us an early review this week. *** Has anyone heard anything more on Spike's supposed move to Angel (other than the listing on imdb, which has since been deleted)? *** On a completely unrelated note: Serious TV fans might want to check out an article in the May 14 edition of The New Yorker. It tells the story of how Alan Ball's new HBO series "Six Feet Under" came into being. It also analyzes the differences in how shows are created on HBO compared to network TV. It's a great article--equal parts fascinating and depressing (at least for someone who doesn't work in the industry). For instance, it reveals the three rules of sitcom dialogue (which I always secretly suspected): (1) Say it louder, (2) Say it faster, (3) Say it smiling.
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What the HELL am I going to do all summer without Buffy?
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Spike is a vampire. Unless he lands on a wooden stake or it's daytime, he would live. A fall is not enough to kill a vamp. At least, that's how it's always been in the Joss world. ********* As for the Willow stuff... while I am totally happy that she is stepping up to the plate and taking charge, just *how * did she get so powerful so quickly? I know it has been hinted at that she has talents and natural abilities, but, damn! I hope that gets explained, and like most people, I hope there is some sorta wicca pay-back for all the power she is using.********* Wouldn't it just be Joss-like if no one died next week? That all of the rumors about a scooby or Buffy dying are just plants? Joss can be quite evil...
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Angelus is the only baddie who knows Buffy well enough to know just how and where to hurt her. I say know and not knew because he can always come back. Nothing gets me like the ep where he killed Jenny. And lets face it, he's the only one to ever actually fulfill his "plan". Ok, he was sent to hell instead, but giant snakes and human-demon hybrids? One good bomb and they're road kill (just ask the Judge). I must say, though, that Glory doesn't mess around. I thought she was especially bad when she crushed Tara's hand before she sucked the sanity out of her. Imagine her and Angelus together. They would make Spike and Dru look like Joey and Pacey.
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May 14, 2001 9:46:09 PM CDT
I don't know what you guys are smokin' but GLORY SUCKS the Mayor
by theharm
The Mayor was nice and fatherly and then suddenly would become malevolent-remember the scene of Graduation when he was in the school library and was idly chatting with the Scoobs and then suddenly looked at Buffy and said, "I'm going to eat her". He was chillingly evil. Similarly, Angelus would act all smooth and suave and then laugh as he would as he would do something particularly evil- like when he snapped Jenny Calendar's neck or when he was gleefully watching Buffy hear the news that jenny was dead. And then he was sick enough to actually dress up Giles' apartment with Jenny in it.
Glory has been just a whiny brat and the only malevolent thing she did was make Tara nuts-big whoop. If she had done something sick and twisted like Angel did then she'd be a decent Big Bad. Right now she ranks last- even Adam used to at least stick people in the gut-ouch. -
I dissagree that Angel has been better than Buffy. Maybe better than last season but not better than Buffy. Whats with this alternate world stuff. Last weeks episode was crappy. Buffys rocked.
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I guess that I think Glory sucks because THIS SEASON IS ABOUT MENTAL PAIN. Glory, Joyce's Death, Riley leaving and now Buffy's Catatonia are all mental situational dynamics. The reason I liked season 2 the best was that HAVING ANGEL TURN WAS BOTH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PAIN. it' all Joss' master plan- I bow to the Master.
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Glory is an excellent big bad IMO. She kicks everyone's ass including Buffy's, and her goal is pretty catastrophic type stuff. She may not be entertaining cuz of Kramer's awful acting, but as a "boo hiss"-able villain, she's top notch. And I think what she did to Tara is almost as sadistic as Angel killing Jenny. Of course, MY fave villain will always be Faith. Bring her back damn it!
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That's one thing that's always bugged me about the show, when they cut to Buffy's back or have her hair covering her face and it's obvioulsy a stunt girl. But more than that, I don't think Sarah Gellar sells her punches very well. I know she trains and all that, but it doesn't come across with any strength. She should take lessens from Jessica Alba. You can see the power behind her punches even if they never connect. Falling's another big thing. It's always her double that takes the falls. Would it hurt to really fall every now and then. Ok, I guess it would.
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Generally the action on Buffy is great but this season Buffy has started to do this Cartwheel kick that the 1st time I saw it I thought was cool. But now she does it in every scene- it is getting lame. Can't Glory or those Jawa dudes pretty much see it coming at this point?
Another thing- Clare Cramer or Glory both Suck!! Yeah shes a god and she's strong butwhen she runs at Buffy or the Scoobs I never ever feel the OH SHIT with Glory as I did with Angel. I mean what is she going to do to Dawn? bweak her widdle hand? or make her go all nutsy? PUhleeezz!! At least with Angelus you thought he was going to rip their throats or torture them slowly like he did to Giles. So on the Oh shit factor Angelus rules!!!
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That's why it's ticking Buffy so much because Faith is supposed to be what Buffy would have been without restraint and the support of her friends and family. The major was just the icing on the cake. Anyways, my vote for the best to worst Buffy villain would be: 1) Angelus 2)Faith/the Major 3)the Master tie in with Glory 4)Adam
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RogerOthornHill mentioned this as a possibility and with Willow's magic getting stronger,this could be a set-up for next season. That would be cool and I want Spike to be on next year(either on Buffy or Angel),too! Spike and Dru are my all-time favorite villians,Angelus and the Mayor were great(Faith and the Mayor made an excellent gruesome twosome),the Master and Adam didn't do much for me-good ideas that were not played out fully(except for those Master flashbacks in "the Trial" and "the Wish").Glory has a bit of a Cordelia/Harmony factor but she can suck your sanity right out of your head and that alone makes her a pretty nasty gal,IMHO!
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Casue she has something important that Angelus and Faith did but the rest did not EMTIONAL IMPACT to BUFFY. I mean Glory V Buffy its so fucking obvious that Buffy is going to win. Name of the show is a big clue. But with Willow there will be that question mark if weather she dies or is saved.
Besides the BiG Bads on BtVS are all losers I mean apart from Angelus killing Jenny they have done fuck all to the group. Thats why I love S2 they were not afriad to go to unhappy palces unlike the rest which go for cheesy happy endings -
After reading everyone above, yeah I guess the Mayor was lame and the real baddie was Faith that year but I still think Glory sucks because she really hasn't tortured or made anyone on the show so hurt that it makes you wince. Yeah, you look at Tara and think that just sucks, I feel sorry for Willow. Yes Glory can throw Buffy around- but Buff just gets back up for more. Now does anyone remember how they felt when Angelus was slowly breaking Giles' fingers? Or when you saw how he had put Jenny in Giles' bed? Anyone recall how they felt when they thought Faith had turned him again and he slapped Buffy? Did anyone see Buffy dust herself off from that- hell no!!
Took her a while and each time she looked at Angel you could see it play on their faces( damn good acting BTW). That SPIKEFAN was right it was the EMOTIONAL IMPact as well as the physical pain that they gave Buffy. Glory is just a big pain in the ass, not a big bad!! -
Okay, if Ben switches sides this late in the game then he is the lamest character Whedon and team has ever come up with! He's basically going back on everything he's said all season. He wants to help people by being a doctor, well sucking them into Glory's hell isn't gonna help shit. And he wants to maintain his individuality, right? Well he'll abandon all sense of self if he turns into Glory for good! And crap, if he was going to turn he should have made a move to kill Dawn right before he turned into Glory last episode so that we'd be going "oh cool, Glory saved Dawn accidentally!" Ben should be on his own side, he wants to live, and siding with Glory means his destruction. The only real way he should be a threat is if he's trying to kill Dawn before Glory can use her. Otherwise, this is just a stupid last minute we-don't-know-what-to-do-with-this-guy cop out. They could have done ANYTHING else with Ben and it would have been better than this! Glory on the other hand has evolved into a decent villain. It's taken her most of the season to finally get a creep factor going (Tara scene), but for a god she's dumb as a post. She's only winning because things all but fell into her lap. She's not a clever, manipulating villain at all. Even Adam had SOME smarts. Still, he was a one episode villain stretched out over too many episodes. Glory's great for being a believable physical threat, but that's the problem. She's too damn powerful for her own good. It was hard for the writers to sell her without making her a seem inept for not finding the key quicker. Oy, if only they'd used Ben as another villain, this would have been a better ending.
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All of the Big Bads have been different, which is the Joss coolness thereof. I can't marshal a very good argument in favor of Adam, and I think I could have seen the Master elsewhere, but the rest (Angelus, Faith, the Mayor, Glory) feel fresh and uniquely spun, to me. Anyone want to play All-Time Episodic TV Big Bad? It would be interesting to see how it all compares...
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...could be a big possible. Of course, I would howl in agony if that happened, since I adore her character, but there has GOT to be some kind of payback for that "add water and stir" instant power she's spouting lateley. Remember, she's gone all X-Men on us after her little shoplifting trip to the "don't touch" section of Giles' store. Those books have got to be up there for a reason. And if Willow is set up to be the next big bad (or possibly for the season after the next one - that would give Joss time to set up her turn to the dark side), she would be a big bad that could truly hurt Buffy, and the Scoobs, like soul-less Angel. Who, IMHO, was the *greatest* big bad of the show.
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Why, after Willow booking up on 'DARKEST MAGICKS' before going after Glory, and the sudden power-up she's showing, do I think we're in for a Dark Phoenix, er, Willow storyline sometime next season?
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I remember seeing Angel turn to Evil during the second season and not believing it because how often do you see a regular on a series turn to the opposite side unless its a dream or something. I was blown away. And then when he killed Jenny, I was like, what just happend her?
Joss has turned TV on its side to an extent and I hope he keeps doing it. Season Two was the strongest season and the best emotion wallup from the villians. I thought the Mayor was lame and I actually liked Maggie Walsh and Adam. If they had built up Glory and used Ben as someone else had suggested above, maybe the villians and plot would have flowed alittle better. I tend to think they were going to use Ben more and then decided to go in another direction but because we had to really wait until the last few episodes to see Glory do her stuff,she lost her impact. If she had been like this all season then we would have been talking.
Other than that, still a great show. Just hope we have a better villian next year.
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...just look for it in your local comic book store, in the Buffy section. My local one has a shelf devoted to Buffy & Angel, since most issues have at LEAST 2 covers (one drawn/painted, one photo), and a couple stacks of back-issues & specials like "Willow & Tara". "Fray" should end up right next to 'em.
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a villain that still remains "viable" even when she's not around and the Scoobs are dealing with other issues. That makes Glory a decent villain, cuz her presence can still be felt. As for the "knight that go 'key'", - I'm glad that they got the "heave-ho". Wasn't anyone else wanting Buffy to beat the bejesus out the "General"? OH GOD, HE ANNOYED the MAJOR CRAP OUT OF ME! Didn't the knights realize that if they could team up with Buffy and Scoobs they could at least "try " to defeat Glory? Geez.......I don't know, but they were annoying as all get out..I'm glad they're gone...
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Totally cool: Willow saves the day!!!!!!!!!
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i just remembered that back in the '70's the bionic woman was cancelled on ABC, and NBC picked it up for one season. when this happened richard anderson appeared as oscar goldman, on both the six-million dollar man and on the bionic woman. so did the guy who played rudy wells. so even though the two shows were on separate networks they had a crossover of sorts. sorry, i'm just showing my age, but it does make me hope angel and buffy will still have some continuity.
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i agree with the enigma. rolling stone are a bunch of idiots. whedon should stay with buffy until the show ends. and rolling stone sucks because they put those flavor of the week crap singers destiny's child on the front cover of the joey ramone tribute issue. i cut my cover off and sent it to them with a nasty note. i hate rolling stone. joey ramone r.i.p.!!!!!
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Besides, it'll make a good use of Tara. At the moment having two powerful witches is a little bit too much but if Willow goes bad, Buffy will certainly need someone who can help her with magic.
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The only Big Bad to even be considered as good was Angeles, season two was an emotional roller coaster ride that ended with as big of a bang as it should. Every other villian on Buffy has been pretty weak in the knees. The Master was confined to his quarters for all but the last episode of season one and only presented a threat due to the inexperience of Buffy at the time. Spike and Dru made for fun villians but it was obvious since their introduction that they couldn't beat Buffy because she had 'friends.' Mr. Trick and the Mayor started out as the villians of season 3 but Wheden must of been bored with him when they killed him off for no apparant reason in a way completely against how his character was presented. And I'm sorry folks, while Faith's character has shown considerable improvement, 3rd season Faith was cringe-inducingly bad. Both Dushka's acting and the dialogue for her character was awful! Dare I even mention the 'I hope evil takes Mastercard" line? The Mayor was an excellent villian until the stillborn season ender which screams of wasted potential. Bad CGI, bad parting of Buffy and Angel, no shot of the school being blown up or burning, (we had to wait until the next season until we saw the after effects of the damage), and the last scene were dreadful! The Scoobies just kind of walk off and say "well it's over!" Heck, the show was delayed for a month due to Columbine too, the least they could of done was spice up the FX work or something as well! Adam was a great concept, but really lacked in the execution, they spent so little time developing him that he didn't seem menacing or anything at all. He was only in like 5 or 6 episodes at the very end, and some of those were for only a few minutes or more. The only time Glory has been any good was the park bench scene with Tara, the rest of the time she has been completely inept and non-threatening.
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I found out. I found the Joss Whedon comic. The first three issues are on sale here: http://www.tfaw.com
Sleazy, enough already with the Drew stuff. Please.
I cant wait to see #99 tonight!
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If I remember correctly, Joss has hinted at one of the Scoob's going bad, and Willow's new Dark Magick abilities definitly put her at the top of the list. I'm even willing to risk death once more, and officially bet one Lean Pocket that during next season Willow will turn evil. Oh, and Sleazy G, my digital camera is working now, so if you want a better image of me poisoning myself with a pastry sandwich, let me know. See you guys halfway through.
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ok who else would like to find out what the guy with the cheese was all about in last seasons final episode. cos i was hoping it might be explained this year. Possibly some demon or powers that be. cos that could be a good story if it turned out to be a demon that has been controling just about everything for the last few years but is stuck in another demension and can have no straight affect on the world till the key opens too to were he is.
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I thought this one was kind of slow and just plain blah. Second to last in the season and I would expect a bit more action. All this background stuff should have been covered earlier in the season.
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that's all tonite's ep was. we didn't learn anything new. So Buffy has to kill dawn to kill Glory. That Gregor guy said that last week. Glory has to kill Dawn to open the dimensions, and Ben has to kill Dawn to stay alive. Which raises the question, Ben couldn't kill Dawn to save himself, so he'll let Glory kill her to save himself? Weird. And how come Glory's feeling guilty all of a sudden? She finally gets what she wanted and NOW she feels bad? If they'd arced this idea, ok, but this is kinda sudden. Let's face it, the Angel episode wasn't that great either, but the last scene made my heart stop.
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"This is going to be worth it." Call this episode slow, and you're right. It's still a damn good ep. This glimpse into the mind of Buffy is riveting, Goddamnit. Also, for some reason, Spike's exploration of Glory's abandoned condo reminded me of Luke on Dagobah in Empire. The musice, the lighting, the mood, I dunno, mabe it's just me.
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Glory's not feeling guilty herself. Her thoughts and feelings are merging with Ben's during the episode. Actually, I think Ben was the oe feeling guilt, over all the people Glory had killed. And Glory was feeling compassionate and stuff, trying to make Dawn feel better.
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Now that Willow's all powerful, could she at least take the time to turn Amy the rat human again? How long do rats live, anyway? Is she going to middle-aged or teenaged when and if she ever gets out of rat form? Or did Willow and Tara's kitty eat her?
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First, this speculation of Willow evolving into a Big Bad in a season or two's been interesting, especially with the recent comparisons to Marvel Girl and a potential Dark Phoenix thing... too much power, too fast, some corruption by a few sweet-talkin demons... boom, she's a Big Bad. But, I think she'll get a talking-to pretty early next season, about watching her power, how she went nutso. Buffy saw it, but other events, by necessity, postponed any concerned lecture. Plus an intervention so soon after the Buffybot one would be weird, not to mention there's just no room for one! I'm sure they could pull off Willow as a Big Bad, but get her redeemed or defeated before she goes off killin folks, cuz if she does that, it'll ruin the majority of fans' image of her. Okay, onto the mysterious Doc. THAT was a cool scene, even his cliched taunts to Spike & Xander... it was menacing. The end of that scene just bugged me... okay, Xander got him through the chest... DUDE, Spike's got the goods, why not take a moment to hack the demon-Doc into bite-size chunks? At LEAST decapitate him (tho apparently one can recover from that, right Lorne?). It was a transparent ending to the scene, but necessary I suppose to set up any role he'll play next week. If he just popped in & said 'oh, yeah, I'm workin for her' it'd take away from everything else going on. It's gonna be a long week! And what's this about Ben & Glory? They're connected somehow...? hehe
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I feel the main problem with Glory this year has been a lack of confrontation. Granted, the point being made is that Buffy feels she can't take her on, but it still led to a lot of inactivity for the villian, up till recently at least. Bantering with the "hobbits with leprosy" only goes so far. I agree that Angel becoming the Baddy in Season two has had the longest lasting emotional impact.
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Willow's new powers can lead to interesting developments. I didn't save the tape (I know, I know, don't flame me), but Season 4's finale showed Willow being attacked by the First Slayer and then her face became the same color and complexion as THE POWERS THAT BE. That may have been a clue about where Willow will eventually end up?-----later-----m
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May 16, 2001 2:05:54 AM CDT
O.K. we've had the Scooby-Doo ending not how about the Exorcist
by wookie pot pie
I still think Buffy in misinterpreting her "death is your gift thing". Plus I don't beleive she would kill Dawn. It would be out of character and too reminiscent of season 2's ending. But what if she figured out a way to transfer the keys powers/properties to herself at the last minute and then pulled a Father Karras and took an intentional header off a tall building? (Take me, take me!) She would defeat Glory, save Dawn, save the world and death would be her gift to everyone. Or not. I need to see this episode NOW!
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Buffy still doesn't get the "Death is your Gift" concept-hope she will have a "moment of clarity"(see Pulp Fiction)in time to save Dawn. I loved the scenes where Spike kept having to explain the Glory/Ben deal(even when he smacked Xander).Willow was so cool-she became Take Charge Girl(if she turns into a Big Bad,she'll be a more than worthy opponent). If Ben thinks that Glory will keep her word to him,he's dumber than I thought! Well,we'll all find out next week-oh,what did RS say about Buffy?
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I still think it's a cop out to have Ben jump from being guilty about all these deaths to agreeing to let Glory win if it means he'll live. Glory said he couldn't kill Dawn even though he threatened to do so, but he'll let HER kill Dawn? He wants to live, I get that, but there's a lot of baggage that's being glossed over here. Plus, it all happened so fast; I'm left wondering if Ben is still going to switch sides yet again to fight Glory. As someone else just said, he's an incredible chump if he thinks Glory will keep her word. If anything she'll smuther him but good for making her stoop to bargaining. But I'm also very upset with what they did with Joel Gray's character. He's another worshipper of the Beast? How lame!! He gave me major creeps last appearance, I thought he'd turn out to be a major villain we'd see more of next season. He even had ties to witchcraft so he'd fit perfectly into this "Willow as the next good guy to go bad" idea! But they made him a last minute stooge? That's the worst waste of good talent since they iced Lindsay Crouse's Prof. Walsh! Speaking of which, I notice that EVERY season has had a villain that was either killed prematurely or went nowhere. Season one had Darla, who was wisely resurrected. Season two had the Annointed(you're right, Sleazy_G, killing him sucked), season three had Mr. Trick, season four had two in Prof. Walsh and Forrest, and now we seem to have Ben. There's still hope though, the fat lady hasn't sung yet and we've still got the finale. I still think Giles killing Ben is crappy, but I'd buy it if Spike killed him. Spike makes more sense anyway, and Giles hasn't been used like that in so long I think it would be inappropriate too. But Spike, yeah he's kill Ben in a sec, even if that chip stung him till his hair went black again. I don't buy that killing Ben would end Glory's threat though. Anyway, like I said in my titlebar, I liked the way Ben's guilt made Glory act all nice and compassionate. In a way I even wanted her to see the light, though that would negate the much demanded final battle. If only they'd developed Ben/Glory more throughout the season, maybe focused on them for one whole episode. I feel like they're just getting good, but I know they've gotta die within the next hour of the show. Too bad since we've never seen a big bad turn good(Faith and Angel not withstanding since they started off "good"). How would THAT be for an ending to the big bad's story line?
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Glory needs Dawn's blood to open the portals-remember the episode she ran off to the hospital and Buffy saved her but took a metal rebar in her shoulder? She looked at the blood and said "see Summers blood-we're the same" Hmmm. Or am I totally wrong her
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Is there going to be a board to post our Buffy thoughts on this summer? Or when the show goes on hiatus will these boards go on hiatus too?
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greetings and salutations all - i have never posted a postulation here before but i am going to jump right in - and please remember as you read this that i am not adverse to having my mind changed by a persuasive argument contrary to my own thoughts...so as for #99: lots of fun for a buffy fan, yes...good writing, i don't know; the whole inside of buffy's sub-consious did look awfully twins peak-ish, but that doesn't mean that i think it wasn't good...i think that the answers to what is going to happen are right in front of us (maybe) and have been for a long time (coop)...maybe the show was trying to tell us this too by very carefully (and sarcastically) explaining every detail of what is going on with glory, what she is going to do etc., something that anyone who saw last weeks ep. should have got...and if you didn't, when has joss et al. in the past really taken the time to back-track and explain? i mean, "ben is glory, glory is ben"? it was HILARIOUS that the scoobies couldn't get it (even though, i know, it was "curse" put on my glory) and that it was repeated so many times...maybe we the fans are the scoobies?
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AND, the way i read the whole "death is your gift" is this way : death is buffy's gift, her art as spike would say; she has to kill things for the life of humanity, to disallow the world to feel the grief that she herself felt when her mom died...if she can do anything to help someone not have to feel the way she felt she has do it...and in buffy's case, being the slayer, the way to help is to kill things...and she will have to kill dawn, and she will do it because that is her gift to the world...even though it will make her very sad, and even though dawn feels as though she is buffy's sister and human and vice versa she has to be sacrificed (unless a loophole is found) for the good of the world...inside buffy's subconscious was not real, though it was real, more real than real? dawn is real, but not real as well, and most people, in their subconscious, know what they have to do, maybe buffy did figure it out for herself...Oh yeah, remember when ben said, "can't kill the girl?" so, depending on which girl he was talking about, maybe i am all wrong...i hope so 'cause i do prefer to be surprised by the genius that is whedon...AND i thought there was going to be a buffy/angel crossover ep? is that the finale? and do you think it has to do with the portals opening b/c of glory and allowing angel and crew to leave payela? and did you notice how tin-can heads were human?
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Buffy will kick Glory's butt next week. Why? Because Joss has set up all of this doubt that Buffy has. She will beat Glory, and make a huge sacrifice to do it, but she will be at peace when she does it. After everything Buff has been through this season, she needs some closure and peace, and I think she will find it in this battle, no matter what happens. This hasn't been a season about Glory; it's been a season about Buffy growing up, learning about how important family is, and that somethings will always be bigger and stronger than you, but you keep up the fight. Dawn will not die, Buffy will save her. Buffy is her protector, and if she fails in that, there would be no way for Buffy to recover. And I think, like Adam, Joss has not spent enough time developing Glory and Ben: They are only now starting to get interesting. And is Ben good? Bad? Who knows? The way he was written last night, he is just a stupid, selfish person... but he has never really been written like that before. A lot of inconsistancy in his development. ****** Willow as the big-bad, hmmmmm? Well, to me that sounds like that would follow the same plot-points as Angel's big-bad season. I like the idea, don't get me wrong, but how could she be so threatening as to be the Big Bad? Kill people? Create mass-distruction? Do that, and they run the risk of ever having Willow be likable again... My guess is she may get involved with the Big Bad (Joel Gray, perhaps?), follow the wrong path for a while, but not become trully evil. Otherwise, it's too much like Faith, too much like Angel.
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...human? I dunno. Last week when they were outside the throne room just before the end, you see the neck of one, and it looked pretty red to me. Maybe not as much as the priests, but I was left with the impression they were the same species. However... the fact that their helmets are pretty concealing, makes for potential disguise material. Anyone smell some rebel humans and/or Gunn & Wes infiltrating the palace disguised as guards? Human or not, if the guards are fully-clothed, someone might NOT notice any exposed neck in passing. It's an idea.
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Herc's an idiot!! how can he possibly justify this booorring-ass drivel with a 4* rating? He consistently slams angel which has definitely been the better of the two. This was absolutely the worst season for BTVS!!! Joss' lack of participation on behalf of his writing duties has truly almost wrecked this show for me. I've been a fan Since it's inception and my friends, this show has defintely "jumped the shark". This episode was nothing more than exposition, which was told to us last ep. by the (fore)head knight-guy!! It only picked up in the last 5 minutes!! I'm sick of Gloryben's bad acting & the lousy lines of dialog that come out of everybody mouth!! BTVS used to have suspense, drama, comedy, action & great writing entirely in almost every episode. Now it just sucks (with the exception of maybe 2-3 ep. this season.) Can anyone really, truly disagree with me. I think not.
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it was a very quick shot, but after the payela (may be spelling that wrong) angel-vamp-beast-ugly guy scavenged two tin heads one of those tins came off and i swear it looked like a human face...it was quick though, and i don't remember the red neck from the previous ep....hmm, and because i jump to conclusions often, i immediately associated the humans with wolfram and hart...i don't know why i did, but i thought that, with the books, and being in another dimension but still speaking english, and being some sort of enforcers...well, im speculating grandly here so i will stop.
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it was a very quick shot, but after the payela (may be spelling that wrong) angel-vamp-beast-ugly guy scavenged two tin heads one of those tins came off and i swear it looked like a human face...it was quick though, and i don't remember the red neck from the previous ep....hmm, and because i jump to conclusions often, i immediately associated the humans with wolfram and hart...i don't know why i did, but i thought that, with the books, and being in another dimension but still speaking english, and being some sort of enforcers...well, im speculating grandly here so i will stop.
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pylea
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it sure is on buffy's shoulder isn't it? can buffy "have her cake and eat it too"? can she save the world and her "sister"?
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I just had a wild thought. Dawn is roughly the same age now tht Buffy was when the show began. That should mean a love interest is in her future--provided she survives the season which I think she should, and in all liklihood will. And I thought back to the Annointed, who was prematurely dusted way back in season two as most long time Buffy fans recall. Well that was about four years ago, and he looked about twelve or eleven then. So he'd be Dawn's age now(the actor I mean), so what if he could be resurrected from hell? It's not hard, Angel and Darla came back. And hey, if they could bring Doppleganger vamp Willow back they can bring the Annointed one back too, they only need the motivation and a plan. First, it would be nice for Buffy to experience the "in love with a vampire" situtation from the other side. Also, let's face it, Dawn will need a plot line after this season or else she'll have Riley's fifth wheel curse. Also, it would give us a chance to revisit vampires, who have been left too far behind lately. The Annointed was unusual anyway, I could buy him physically growing into a teenager, and with all these portals to hell opening and closing(soon) it would make great sense to have a consequence arise. Hell, you could even say that the Annointed escaped back when Dawn cut herself earlier in the season! "Summer's blood." Admitedly, you'd have to find a personality for the Annointed one for Dawn to ever fall for him, but it shouldn't be too hard. You know he'll want Spike dead, that's for sure. Plus, the Annointed was supposed to be related to Buffy's death and that's what seems to be coming up. I know I'm going nuts with this stuff, it won't ever actually happen, but between this and Dark Pheonix Willow ideas, next season would have the best villains yet. I'd really like to see the writers give it a shot.
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When Glory was contaminated with Ben's compunction, p'raps the exchange was two sided. That might explain his near willingness to abandon his morals.
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Two quick thoughts. Buffy's "Gift" is certainly going to come into play next week, but it might also have a longer timeline attached to it. Recall the "Angel" episode where the W&H scroll said that Angel would be rewarded with death, and later Wesley figured out that meant the gift of mortality? To Angel, the "Gift of Death" is/could be the gift of returned humanity. If this possibility has been brought up before, and I missed it, sorry. Concerning Willow and the Big Bad speculation, recall that Willow was once offered the position of "Vengence Demon" to replace Anya? Maybe she made a deal to accept the offer, in exchange for the power to fight Glory? Or an even worse deal with someone(thing) else? She might become a BB, or she might just get whisked away to some Hell dimension, from which rescue would be required. Many possibilities, but soon, we'll have a better idea. Can't wait. Go with Valen.
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Didn't they say it had to be a complete bleeding of Dawn? I got the impression she would be dry at the end.
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Do small doors open when she bleeds? Does just one big door open if she's totally bled dry? Does it matter? It isn't clear, and it's best if they don't delve too deep into the mechanics of it. Like I said with my theory about resurrecting the Annointed, the explanation doesn't need to be real complicated just so long as there's a worthy pay off--for example the very simple excuse to bring back vampire Willow. If they want to make something of Dawn's numerous bleeding incidents in the season, more power to them. I think they'd be foolish NOT to make something out of it though. For Glory's purposes Dawn needs to be totally bled dry, but there could still be consequences for her bleeding at all. Also, I would think with the whole draining blood angle that vampires would come up since blood is their thing. Maybe Spike will play into it somehow.
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I think that now that Spike is a good guy, there's no point to his character. There's no conflict anymore. He'd just become a superfluous member of the Scooby gang if he stayed on for next season. I think he'll sacrifice himself and prove that he's transcended his evil vampire existence and become a truly good person/martyr.
I see a parallel btwn spike and dawn - neither of them are really human, but they're given a chance to be, and they become complete people with human emotions and morals in spite of what they started out as. Spike will martyr himself and everyone will agree that he acted like he had a soul even if he didn't, and then the moral of this season will be to judge people on how they've evolved, what they've managed to become thru their own efforts, and not to judge them by the body/role they were passively assigned. This applies to ben, he's struggling to be a complete human in his own right too. And, finally, it applies to Buffy, who's been struggling with the worry that she has let her role as slayer take over her. So it's a big issue, and it has to be involved in resolving the glory/dawn thing.
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I've been reading the posts above and I just wanted to add my two cents. Everyone seems to be complaining that Glory isn't bad enough and one way of determining that is because she hasn't killed off someone. Think about it guys, if every season a major person was killed off just to prove how bad the villians are, who would be left? And if Joss had the villian kill off a lesser player like Tara, Anya, Joyce, Riley, etc. would it really affect us? Would we care? Major characters can't die every season, people.
Also, the complaints about the stunts. Why is everyone so picky at this site? So you can tell when its the stunt woman and not SMG, big deal! Someone else complained about the cartwheel kick being in every episode. Nuh-uh! Exaggerate much? I remember once and that was the episode when Tara got brained sucked and Buffy arrived to stop Willow from certain suicide.
Can't we just appreciate that for at least one night there's two hours of pretty decent tv available?
N.
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May 17, 2001 11:48:05 PM CDT
FUNKABOO I think you missed the point dude. THE SEASON WAS ABOUT
by theharm
Hey Funk., you made some decent points but respectfully I disagree. First- I'm the guy complaining about the Cartwheel Kick- I'm into martial arts so when the fighting starts I like to analyze it. The Cartwheel first made it's appearance in the Dracula episode and has appeared in every major battle this season-the Troll guy, the Robot girl, every Glory fight- if you doubt this please check your tapes. Second, I also am complaining about Glory- not that she hasn't killed anybody- but there really is no sense of danger from her. I mean every other villain did heinous things to innocents and cast members alike- but Glory just sucks their sanity-not getting a wince factor here. Sure she is stronger than any other villain- but she's stupid and that just sucks the GRAVITAS out of a character- if you can't respect her you can't really call her a big bad. Finally, I have a theory- this season is about mental and emotional pain- Buffy has had a lot of mental and emotional havoc this year with finding out her sister is fake, Riley leaves, Mom dies. The Big Bad hasn't been Glory its been the events that drove her nuts. Glory is the Little Bad She was designed to be irritating but not enough to distract Buffy from all the emotional shit which is the Big Bad. This season's test for Buffy was to see if she would go nuts( remember when Glory was asking Dawn to name one person who could take this world?) and she just passed. she has finally accepted her destiny as the Slayer- meaning that no matter what circumstances happen to you it is more important to go and help because only she can- willow said it best- "I'm going where you're needed" She has to forget her mistakes and fears and become the Slayer and the Gift. you see NOW SHE IS READY FOR A MIND SUCKING VILLAIN because she is mentally whole now. I hope she rams her GIFT up Glory's ass. also=Please don't think that I am nitpicking because I hate this show- I love Buffy- but it's like when you sit down after Thanksgiving dinner and you're full and then people start saying stuff like- Yeah the rolls were good but man the mashed potatoes were kind of dry. I love this show as does everyone else- we're just sitting around shooting the shit and enjoying each others company. thanks for pulling up a chair.
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And one other thing regarding the fight scenes. The editing has been lousy as is the choice of stunt double(s). The fighting has been unimaginative (as of late) and really lacking any type of intensity. I'll say it again, ever sense Jeff Pruitt was unjustifiably fired as stunt coordinator a couple of seasons ago. The SMG fighting has seriously suffered.
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hey why was Jeff P. fired? and who's in charge now? Thanks.
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I happen to be in the middle of dubbing season 5 w/o the commercials for someone. Yes, that cartwheel kick was in the season premiere and I spotted it again in another episode already and I'm only up to "The Replacement" (The one where Xander gets split in two)
You have a valid point on Glory. One thing I noticed was that the other villians (angelus, spike, dru) all managed to set in motion things that deeply affected not just Buffy but the whole gang. Remember when Spike came back to Sunnydale after Dru left him for the Chaos demon and kidnapped Willow so that she'd perform a love spell for him? That led to Cordelia and Oz finding out about the little "something" going on between Willow and Xander. Angelus killed Jenny Calendar and let us not forget, "Dru bagged a slayer!"
I enjoy coming here cause I'm a sucker for spoilers. I try to stay away but I can't. I think it may also have to do with how funny the reviews are. It just seems its more often that I read the posts and read things like, "How stupid was this.." or "I didn't like this..." And that's fine. It's just that I want to also talk about "how funny was it when..." or "could you believe when so and so said..."
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Thanks for making the allowance that I might be correct- I was sort of wincing when the other guy got on your case too.
You've made some good points yourself-but I think the only way to get a positive buzz going on these is to start it yourself or read between the lines- half of the people above are saying- I liked the Mayor because or Angelus was the best because rather than I hate this show etc. I too only used to come here for the spoliers but these talkbacks are hilarious- especially the ones with Dark Angel or Freddie Prinze Jr. in the title. If you think these Buffy pages are harsh you should check those out! You can tell people aren't nitpicking they are out for blood on those!! -
Great, now that that's out the way. Can we talk about the characters of Riley and Dawn?
First I'll start with Riley who was annoying from DAY ONE. Not to mention that as a woman I found him completely unattractive. But seriously, what did Buffy see in him. At first I thought the writers were finally giving her a normal boyfriend. Then in the episode where we find out that Riley and his frat brothers were the commandos we'd seen here and there, I knew that was out the window.
I thought the episode Hush was great for so many reasons, one being that the whole Riley/Commando Buffy/Slayer thing came to light for the two of them and they couldn't even say, "WHAT?!" At the end, when they decided it was time to talk, the episodes ends with them both not knowing where to start, what to say. Perfect.
After that he got annoying, needy, whiny, annoying...did I say that already? When did Buffy ever really need him? Where was the chemistry?
Early on, my best friend and I started to refer to him as "white bread" cause he was just so...so...BLAH! Imagine our surprise and how hard we laughed when Spike called him that in one episode? He's lame, he's corny, please don't bring him back, ever.
The one Riley moment I can think of to sum up to you guys best how much he annoys me is in the episode, "The Replacement" When that demon comes to the magic shop looking for Buffy and instead gets beat by Giles with a fertility idol, Giles tells the gang how the demon is sophisticated and focused and since he mentioned the slayer, they were sure what his focus was. Riley says, "He mentioned Buffy? Where can I find him and how hard can I kill him?" Oh puhlease, shut up and sit down.
Now onto Dawn. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm in the process of dubbing my season 5 episodes on new tapes w/o commercials. So, I'm watching "Real Me" earlier and it's the first episode where we find out about Dawn and it's told through her diary entries. All I can think of is how annoying she is. I remember when I saw the episode for the first time and like everyone else I was trying to figure out was she friend or foe. By the time we got to "Out of My Mind" and Joyce faints right after looking at Dawn and asking, "Who are you?", I was totally convinced her character was a pain in the ass demon of some sort who would do nothing but cause grief. AND I WAS RIGHT!!
I'm still dubbing that episode as I type so I know I still have many to go before I get to last week's epi, but just going through my mental calendar of this season's episodes, I'm hard-pressed to find one episode where I cared about Dawn, rooted for her, even when I knew she was "The Key" and that Glory getting her manicured hands on her would mean all kinds of bad stuff.
If it didn't mean that dimensions would bleed onto each other, I'd say just let the hellbitch take her key and go home. I guess that kudos to Michelle T. for doing such a good job of playing the misunderstood, troubled younger sis who also happens to be newly human.
Off the top of my head, best Dawn moment: After Dawn helps Buffy hide the fact that she was stabbed from Joyce, Dawn, "Who's da man?" Worst Dawn moment: When she invited Harmony in (big-mouth brat) and when she runs outside later in the same epi and gets Anya hurt.
I dig Glory and don't really care if Dawn comes back next season though I think they did a great job story-wise of explaining her. And points to the writers for taking their time explaining it. It hurt so good waiting it out.
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I am still reeling from that post- man! Riley was admittedly annoying- the actor did a great job in portraying the sheltered goody two shoes role. Sure, the guy was GI joe and could kick ass with his cattle prod and baton, but it seemed like he'd never dated anyone before- I mean he couldn't tell 5 dates in that she was only half-assed about him? I was once like that- meeting the girl's parents, making sure she comes home at the right time, never trying to rock the boat doing the straight and narrow- and I too was interested in someone with a wilder lifestyle and thought she was perfect-her imperfections made me want to "rescue her" after I went through the Riley syndrome of finding out she wasn't really there I grew up.
I have become seasoned now and as I watched Riley's character I used to alternately be wistful for the innocence I lost and then cringe when I knew he was being an idiot- as in the Replacement. If they ever bring him back it will be either of two ways 1) when he went with the Army he had RUN AWAY and so if he comes back he will still be confused and resentful towards Buffy or 2) when he went with the Army he REALIZED THAT HE NEEDED TO TAKE CHARGE OF HIS OWN LIFE rather than rescue buffy's in which case he will come back a lot more seasoned and sure of himself and will harbor little or no resentment for Buffy. Personally I don't think he'll return-there's just no point to it right now.
As to Dawn- Joss was very clever about this- he knew adding someone new always pisses people off so he made sure that Buffy was written with that reaction for several episodes. People would say hey even Buffy hates her ass- why should I like her? And then he pulls the switcheroo where Buffy finds out Dawn is the Key and suddenly she is stroking her hair and apologizing to her- making the audience say hey the even the most vocal opponent likes her now. Did you notice that the entire time everyone else sort of liked dawn except for Buffy? oh and Giles. That Whedon guy is a freakin genius!!!
Personally I saw through the ploy from day one so I sort of liked her as much as I could- given that she was written as selfish, annoying, and stupid-especially when she invited Harmony in. And although you may not like the character- what an actress- that line is Spike's cave where she says"Everyone around me gets hurt and dies" You can't tell me that didn't get to you just a little?
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I just don't feel for Dawn, I really don't. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I've recently been watching the first four seasons and emotionally that's where I'm at with the show.
One thing that's been bugging me...when Cordelia made "the wish" that Buffy had never come to Sunnydale and the alternate reality was activated, did the Scoobies ever find out about that? The episode ends with the gang smiling and talking on the school bench.
Later in the season when Anya tries to get her powers back she tricks Willow into helping her with a spell that only ends with the Vamp Willow being sucked into their reality. Now, they figure out that it's something Anya did and reversed it by episode's end but did they ever discuss what kind of world this Vamp Willow would have come from? I mean, I know Cordelia didn't remember what had happened but Anya did.
Has she ever confessed that she granted Cordelia's wish and that Oz kills Willow, Buffy kills Xander, a random vamp kills Angel and Buffy just steps over his dust and The Master snaps Buffy's neck. OH and Willow and Xander fed off Cordelia. I think it would pretty interesting for them to know what would have happened had Buffy not shown up.
I know that we've never SEEN this discussed but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on whether or not "off screen" that is something they are aware of.
My favorite line from that episode (Doppelgangland) which is one of the BEST if you ask me is when Willow comments that her vampire self is so evil, kind of skanky and she thinks...a little GAY. :-) I have every episode on tape but some of the older ones arent that great quality, including that episode. Anyone here happen to have better quality early epis?
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Emotionally I'm at end of Season 2 and beginning of 3- the good ol days of Angel coming back. I didn't really care for Riley because Angel is the man for Buffy-always will be. The Anya thing- she annoys the crap out of me with those"When I was a Vengence Demon..." monologues so I'm sure she must have bragged to Xander at some point. BTW-Xander is an example of a guy who has become wise and seasoned in relationships-so if they ever bring Riley back that's how he'd logically act-without the one liners. Old tapes-sorry don't got none-I have the Boxed Sets- heck I am jonesing for old ones myself= Rumor is that FX WILL PLAY BUFFY RERUNS IN THE FALL. a show needs to get to a 100 before they start doing reruns so somebody will definitely have it- I guess that also means that Angel won't go to reruns till 2004.
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was the one where Vamp Willow went back to her dimension and Oz staked her-"oh fu-" hilarious!!
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OK so I'm in the middle of "Checkpoint" and just finished watching "Triangle" and I have a question...
In Graduation Pt. 1 or 2 ( I forget which) Anya tells Xander she wants him to run off with her in her car before the Mayor's ascension (sp). Yet in "Triangle" she is just figuring out how to drive.
Also, what did she do after she lost her demon powers? She enrolled in high school? With what papers? OK, so after that she shows up at Xander's house. Where does she live, how does she make money? Same with Riley after he left the Initiative, he had his own place but...HOW? Just some nitpicking questions that have been popping into my head while revisiting season 5.
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Maybe she invited Xander along so he could drive-yeah you are right it doesn't make sense that she'd have a car if she couldn't drive. but then when has she made sense? On the money thing I guess she has a stash of gold somewhere from all the time she's been around -a few thousand years she might have antiques she could pawn off like those guys in the Highlander movies. For that matter where does Angel get his dough? As for Riley- the Army generally pays crap during peacetime but if you are under fire they have this thing called Danger Pay which is twice the regular pay plus you have allowances for housing and transportation (which would have been cut off after he quit but the Danger Pay, with Combat bonuses add up) For example- my best friend was in the Army Reserves and during the Gulf War he was activated-he spent 12 months at a hospital in Oakland dating the soldier's girlfriends, and giving their kids shots. He ot $1000 a month for housing allowance-so he lived in an "exclusive community apartment" had $500 a month for gas expenses so he could drive home to his parents every weekend and never actually paid for a tank of gas the whole year- and he got Danger pay which he saved up in an account- after the "War" was over for him he came back and bought a new Camaro with the Danger Pay money. if he'd actually been in Combat he'd have gotten Combat bonuses as well- but at least those guys deserve it.
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May 21, 2001 11:33:20 AM CDT
You mean that Dan Inosanto's daughter isn't SMG's stunt double a
by sylvia simon
When did that happen? Sheesh, where the hell have I been? And who is it now?
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