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LORD OF THE RINGS -- Wave 1 of the Busts!!!

Folks, Harry here with the last assortment of LORD OF THE RINGS pics to come out of SIDESHOW TOYS and WETA WORKSHOPS! I wish I had more to show you of the assortment, but thus far this is it. NOW... having said that, when I was at Weta Workshops I did see folks working on SARUMAN, a Ring Wraith (which was unfrigginbeleivable), Sam, Legolas, Boromir, Arwen (was just being started), and many others. I did not see a Gollum or a Balrog bust or statue being worked on while I was there. PERSONALLY... I HOPE TO GOD THEY MAKE... The Three Stone Trolls... ummmm... in 1:1 scale and deliver them to my backyard... ahem... Anyways, here's the latest...

BUSTS: The essence of each character is brilliantly captured in these 1:4 scale busts. As with the statues, each bust has been hand cast in heavy weight polystone and hand painted to the highest standards. Each bust sits on a classically turned base that includes the name of the character and the sculptor's signature.





















GANDALF

9.25" H (235mm)





















PIPPIN

6.75" H (169mm)





















ORC SWORDSMAN

7" H (178mm)





















FRODO

6.75" H (171mm)





















ARAGORN

8.5" H (215mm)





















ORC OVERSEER

6.5" H (166mm)

© 2001 New Line Productions, Inc. All rights reserved. "The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring and the characters and the places therein, ™ The Saul Zaentz Company d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises under license to New Line Productions, Inc. All rights reserved." © 2001 Sideshow, Inc. and WETA Workshop, Ltd.

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  • April 18, 2001, 2:42 a.m. CST

    humans

    by Lupe

    why do humanoid features never seem to look quite right......well ok I know the answer to that, its because we know what humans look like (or rather humans playing hobbits) whilst an ork doesn't suffer from looking a little artificial.....dunno.....Gandalf looks cool.....the monstees look cool but frodo looks a bit weird

  • April 18, 2001, 3:04 a.m. CST

    I agree

    by SirReal

    that the "humans" look a little odd, but I think Pippin is the one that suffers the most from this effect. I Feel that both Gandalf and Aragorn look OK. I REALLY like the orcs, though.

  • April 18, 2001, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Cover-up exposed!

    by CreepySunset

    Ha! I see the truth has been leaked out for all to see! One look at those busts and it is clear that the part of Aragorn is really being played by ex-90210 star Luke Perry! I congratulate WETA on creating such a remarkable likeness.

  • April 18, 2001, 3:11 a.m. CST

    No, wait a minute...

    by CreepySunset

    Hang on, no, its that guy from The Visitor and Northern Exposure...no wait...its Jesus!

  • April 18, 2001, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Whoa! Those pics look amazing!!

    by brian O' blivion

    That Aragorn looks just like Viggo! How did they make that cool looking facial hair! I want an action figure with facial hair!!! Why can't my G.I. Joe's be such manly men?! Damn their "smooth as a baby's bottom" complexion!! Damn them all to HELL!!

  • April 18, 2001, 4:17 a.m. CST

    title should read: "Pippin, Frodo's Crack Head Friend"

    by darth sars

    JeeeeeeZUS! All the other pics look amazing, and if they're affordable i'll buy a couple, but holy fuck what's with Pippin?

  • April 18, 2001, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Why does Aragorn look like Jesus?

    by DinoZoot

    just wondering...also, where is the bust of gay Samwise?

  • April 18, 2001, 5:45 a.m. CST

    DON'T POST THE RINGWRAITHS!!!!!!!

    by darth sars

    gotta agree with Miami Mofo

  • April 18, 2001, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Vigo lives.

    by TectorGorch

    Wow. Pippin does kind of look like the kid from Goonies 20 years later who has moved into an aqua blue 1960's era mobile home and now smokes crystal meth with his half bald, toothless girlfriend who has one masectatized breast and a graveld piece of raisin where a nipple should be on the good one. That said- and it was a mouthful. when I first read that Viggo M. was going to be Arogon(sp) I was excited. After film school I worked on a film called "Daylight" in Italy. It was a horrible movie but Viggo was fairly good in it. He took us all out to eat one night and I talked to him on the set a bit. If anyone is appropriate to be in a Tolkien film its that cat. Viggo is definately out there. Her carried all of his belongings around on the set in a little pillow case. Not just a white cotton thing, but one that had like a "Grandma" emboidary pattern on it. He is a way out there guy. If you want to know how truly good he is watch "Indian Runner" some time. Its one of the best ignored films in my humble opinion. To sum up: Viggo will be excellent on this show and his bust proves he has the look. PS- to the person who commented that the bust looves like Jesus...have you even read the Rings books? He should look like Jesus. Remember that Tolkien was an intellectual follwer of CS Lewis.

  • April 18, 2001, 6:20 a.m. CST

    No Ringwraits!! no Balrog!!!

    by BComing

    harry, please don't we like this stuff, but no ringwraiths or balrogs please. and i have to say i think pippin looks like he is being analy violated by a 9" Frodo and he is enjoying it a lot.

  • April 18, 2001, 6:57 a.m. CST

    show the Balrog... show the Ringwraiths

    by TheMonkeyCharmer

    I totally disagree about not showing us the Balrog or the Ringwraiths... show us if you get them Harry. Others not interested should look away.

  • April 18, 2001, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Vigo Lives

    by DarrellM

    Hectorgortch commented: "Remember that Tolkien was an intellectual follwer of CS Lewis." Tolkien was not an intellectual follower of C.S. Lewis, but a peer with whom he exchanged ideas over many years. Both were a member of a group called "the Inklings," and met regularly with their fellow authors and poets to share works-in-progress. They had both even started to work on collaborative science fiction stories once. C.S. Lewis wanted to write a story about travel to a distant planet, and Tolkien intended to write a story of time travel to the last days of Atlantis. The latter became his tale of Numenor, and Lewis' became one of his classics. Without question they influenced each other, and both provided a second set of eyes for the other's work. Many of Lewis' comments may be found in the drafts Christoher Tolkien has published. They differed significantly in matters of faith, vis a vis the issues of Catholicism v. Protestantism. Their letters to each other reflect a relationship based upon mutual respect, rather than one the follower of the other.

  • April 18, 2001, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Your point's essentially right, HECTORGORCH

    by OK Then

    Tolkein and Lewis were both Christians (although they were at odds intellectually at times, and I certainly wouldn't classify one as a follower of the other) and their works are full of Christian allegory. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia were, of course, a fantasy retelling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus and the Acts of the apostles. Although LOTR is it's own story, there are certainly components that herald Tolkein's Christianity. Gandalf's sacrifice in his battle with the Balrog and his "resurrection" as Gandalf the White is certainly Christlike. Aragorn is an even more poignant Christ symbol -- the King of Legend who triumphs over the forces of evil and takes his place on the throne, although at the time he appears he passes through the world unrecognized by most. The limited descriptions of Aragorn in the trilogy are close to Western visualizations of Christ -- dark, thin, bearded, somewhat haggard-looking, but with a calm confidence in the eyes, and so forth. Aragorn SHOULD look like Jesus, because that's essentially who he represents.

  • April 18, 2001, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Stand Corrected

    by TectorGorch

    Thank you for the clarification on Tolkien and Lewis's relationship folks. I think my over-simplification is a evidence of how film students don't get the detailed literary education they need- even at good schools. More often, as was my dissapointment with filmschool, we learn more about film/Hollywood culture than we do the visual arts, literature, and drama that film springs forth from. Again, thanks for the lessons on literary minucscia. They are well recieved and will be remembered.

  • April 18, 2001, 9:37 a.m. CST

    McFarlane would've done better.

    by Hawq

    I thought they were going to do a 3D scan of the actors for this stuff! They obviously did not. Gandalf is the only cool looking one...And Lurtz, of course. Todd McFarlane's toy lines seem to be better in every respect. The likeness is more accurate, they have better gesture and overall artistic form. I just hope WETA puts out some cool sword replicas, 'cause I'm not buying any sculptures I've seen so far.

  • April 18, 2001, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Pippin's been eating a few too many wild mushrooms!

    by Mel Garga

    When Pippin's bust appeared on screen I had a Total Recall flashback. Didn't this guy drive the JohnnyCab that Arnold eventually pummeled the shit out of?

  • April 18, 2001, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Parallels and literary devices, ZeroCorpse

    by DarrellM

    ZeroCorpse comments: "If LOTR is just 'Christ, Retold' and The Chronicles of Narnia are 'Christ, Retold' then wouldn't that make 'The Crow' the story of Christ?" ---- "******like" simply provides a point of reference. It does not mean that the subject is derivative in nature, just that it shares a common theme or element. ---- The LOTR is definitely not 'Christ, Retold.' Tolkien took issue with allegory as a literary device and eschewed it throughout his career. Many have tried to draw parallels between the LOTR and the war in Europe (World War II) and Tolkien steadfastly denied any intent to imply those parallels. He was more influenced by history and literature in that regard than contemporary conflicts. (This goes to intent and purpose, separate things from mood and influence, which are always, arguably, affected by an author's current circumstance.) ---- "The Cronicles of Narnia," on the other hand, are indeed the story of "Christ, Retold." They are allegorical and that was the author's intent. Lewis wrote the tales of Aslan and Narnia explicitly for that purpose; to address his concepts of Christian ideals in a fantastic setting. ---- As regards the distinction between Christian mythology v. Hebraic, Sumerian, Egyptian, Hindu, et al., it is not the concepts of "rebirth" nor reincarnation, that set it apart, but the "Resurrection" and the circumstances leading to it. It is the latter that provides the core of Christian beliefs. Otherwise, according to your expansive definition, the Biblical resuscitation of Lazarus would be "Christ, Retold." ---- The Christian mythos holds Christ was a willing sacrifice, for an intended greater good. His resurrection is final proof and revelation of His divine nature. Faith and belief in that define Christianity. While Osiris of Egyptian mythology is indeed slain, dismembered, reassembled and revived, there was no express purpose on his part to undergo said procedures, and his divinity is not in question. His death and resurrection are not a requirement by any other power. (Other than Set wanting him dead.) ---- Buddha, by contrast, makes no claims of divinity. His Enlightenment transcends worldly concerns, but he refused the practice of miracles in his life, as not fundamental to his beliefs, and indeed evidence of false practioners. Reincarnation is not analagous to resurrection, because the former is natural, cyclical and separate from deeds or faith (a part of the natural order), and the latter is dependent upon faith and miraculous in nature. ---- As regards Greek and Roman mythology, resurrection was not a factor. The tales of mortal descent into and return from Hades involve living beings, who have not died. The journey into the Underworld fulfills a quest or obligation, but does not restore one of the dead to life (though it almost happened, in the case of Orpheus and Eurydice). This is because the concept of mortal escape from death is contrary to the dictates of Fate, the power that sits above the gods. ---- Neither Dracula nor Frankenstein could be considered "Christ-like." Willing sacrifice, resurrection and salvation would be requisites which neither character experiences. Being man-made or undead, is not the same as being resurrected. I also dispute that Aragorn is a Christ-figure. I think that's a bit of a reach (though fun to argue) and I think Tolkien would dispute it. I also can recall no reference to Aragorn wearing a beard. His people were traditionally clean shaven, (some argue devoid of facial hair, much like the Elves). Though scruff helps make the distinction between Strider and Aragorn, when he cleans up. ---- I don't believe something is "-----Like," just because it seems so to a reader or viewer. If that were the case, then I'd have to think Sally Mann's photos were pedophiliac because Jesse Helms thought so. Or that Sam was gay, just because someone else thought so. ---- Finally, life, death, rebirth, and salvation are not common elements in "ALL" human stories. Some are just about ice cream. ; )

  • April 18, 2001, 11:37 a.m. CST

    looks good...

    by Dragonfire

    but the one of pippin scares me

  • April 18, 2001, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Jesus was not white!

    by SFA

    Jesus was born in the Middle East! And I disagree with the guy who said that LOTR will not be a blockbuster hit. LOTR might be complex, but its also the second most read book of the 20th century. Its got massive battles, its got huge monsters, its a road move, its everything. The shear headfuck story of the Matrix didn't stop it being a massive success...

  • April 18, 2001, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "Helmets!" haw haw! "Busts!" <snigger>

    by Roosterbooster

    Pippin looks like P.B. Shelley or some other laudanum freak early 19th Century poet. How come the Orcs are now green? In the trailer they appear to be brown. Is it fear of the "R" word?

  • April 18, 2001, 12:46 p.m. CST

    "Helmets!" haw haw! "Busts!" <snigger>

    by Roosterbooster

    Pippin looks like P.B. Shelley or some other laudanum freak early 19th Century poet. How come the Orcs are now green? In the trailer they appear to be brown. Is it fear of the "R" word?

  • April 18, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Too serious

    by Wychwood

    I think some people on this board are taking the Lord of the Rings/Religion thing too seriously... after all its only religion!

  • April 18, 2001, 3:32 p.m. CST

    First of all...

    by BG

    ...let me clear up the Lurtz confusion from a couple of TB's ago. **SPOILERS** Both Lurtz AND Ugluk are in the movies. Lurtz will be played by Jay Laga'aia (pronounced La-gai-ah). Lurtz has been created so that the first film will culminate in a dramatic battle between himself and Aragorn. If the first film ended as it does in the first book, moviegoers would be left without a suitable sense of closure, especially since they will have to wait another year for the next film. Nathaniel Lees will play Ugluk; he takes over command of the orcs after Aragorn kills Lurtz. After that his character follows the book. *** Secondly, I think this TB can do without the religious debate. Believe me, it's an unwinnable situation, which leads only to madness and much wailing and gnashing of teeth. LOTR, as Tolkien himself states, has nothing to do with religion, WWII or anything else that people constantly try and compare it with. *** And last but not least, nice pics, thanks Harry.

  • April 18, 2001, 3:51 p.m. CST

    those baby blues ...

    by Panthalassa

    frodo's piercing blue eyes spooked me a little, until i came up with a possible explanation -- while some here have speculated that pippin has consumed too many mushrooms, i'd like to propose that frodo is, in fact, addicted to the desert spice melange from arakis (which, if memory serves, is somewhere just south of far harad). the books make frequent reference to the "tookish" side of some baggins' characters, and apparently the movies will also bring out the atreides side of our diminutive hero. ringbearer and muad'dib, that's quite a cross to bear. and speaking of crosses, i, too, think aragorn looks rather jesus-esque, but perhaps jesus as played by liam neeson.

  • April 18, 2001, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Is this the last of the pics?

    by SFA

    So this is the last 'wave' of pics? Then why the fuck did you bother numbering the waves? And what happened to the picture of the Uruk-Hai mentioned in the Lurtz post: 'There's this greyish muddy one,, with a white hand print on his chest and a sword that... Suweet Heyzeus it's nice looking'

  • April 18, 2001, 5:09 p.m. CST

    They all have self-confidence problems, they are all diverting t

    by Critical Bill

  • April 18, 2001, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Lurtz!!! Saruman!!!!!

    by CerebralAssassin

    Hey, while you knuckleheads are f'ing around with comparative religion debates, theonering.net has posted some KICKASS publicity photos of Lurtz and Saruman.

  • April 18, 2001, 7:08 p.m. CST

    New Lurtz Photo's

    by JakeTheMus

    Head over to http://www.theonering.net for some amazing production stills of Lurtz!!

  • April 18, 2001, 9:04 p.m. CST

    WTF!

    by Wooksie

    I didn't think there was anything great about the busts at all. To agree with another talk- backer: "McFarlane would have done a better job". LOL, I just had another look and the Pippen bust looks exactly like "Jonny Cab"! The orcs are OK, but the humans are HORRIBLE. Who would pay money for these? I've got my McFarlane "McKenzie Brothers" replicas' at home! Now that's a good job! HOSERS!

  • April 18, 2001, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Is it just me...

    by BG

    ...or does the inside of Orthanc look like the absolutly most coolest place in the Universe! I want one! I bet it's an absolute bastard to heat in the winter. But then Saruman does have a large supply of fire wood next door, he he. Wow, I wonder what the inside of Barad-dur looks like? Now what did Einstein say about time and motion? All I know is that time slows down when you're waiting for a highly anticipated movie. That's my first law of cinematics.

  • April 18, 2001, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The bust I REALLY want to see...

    by MrCere

    The only bust I really want to see is the one of Arwen. I heard in the NC-17 release of the LoTR Arwen is naked and pays homage to Disney's SNow White and the 7 Dwarfs by "doing" 7 of the 9 in the fellowship. I hope I am not mixing this up with "One Night At McCools." Nobody will ever read this post.

  • April 18, 2001, 10:25 p.m. CST

    If that Aragon statue starts to bleed I AM GOING BACK TO CHURCH

    by MrFrost

    Damn he looks like Jesus

  • April 19, 2001, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Hey VonFlapjack

    by Palondo

    I can see where your coming from...but you realise that in 1976 you could have written the same thing about Star Wars? (I'm not starting the ST vs. LOTR, just making a point) Long shots have the highest pay-off, and there's no harm in hope.

  • April 19, 2001, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Canis

    ..The Lord of the Rings, a tale of a group of heroes fighting an ancient evil that has returned. Lead by a mysterious mystic against evil shadowy creatures... Hang on it's babylon 5 !! JMS should sue

  • April 19, 2001, 6:56 a.m. CST

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    by The Pardoner

    Oh dear gawd, those are horrible. Yeah, think I'll pay $5000 for Gandalf the Glazed, Pippin the Doped-Up Child Molestor (look at his twisted little grin, and tell me that doesn't say "Want some candy, children?"), a wonderful piece called "Orc in a Wind Tunnel", Afrodo and his gigantic hair, Buddy Aragorn and his Magic Powers of Looking Like A Hairy Woman, and Mel Brooks as the Orc Overseer. --- OK, I understand that Harry probably got payed just like he would for any advertisement, and it's just business, but those are ugly.

  • April 19, 2001, 10:23 a.m. CST

    They got Viggo's chin right!

    by superninja

    But not really the rest of his features. They only resemble them. I don't understand why people would want to buy these things.

  • April 19, 2001, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Aragorn's hair

    by wmilsten

    Now I understand that a bottle of shampoo is probably not in Aragorn's ranger bag of things to bring with him when he's off camping and hiking...but hello...when you are posing for a bust of yourself, don't you think you should wash your hair. Come on Aragorn.

  • April 19, 2001, 2:05 p.m. CST

    More Discrepencies Between The Books and The Films

    by AncalagonBlack

    For a complete list, go to this URL: http://www2.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=51

  • April 19, 2001, 10:57 p.m. CST

    an oldie but a goodie

    by kojiro

    "What's so special about Jesus?""Well he died and was ressurected for our sins!""but there are other stories where people are ressurected.""But Jesus was different!""How? There's Buddha, there's Lazarus, there's figures and gods in dozens of ancient religions.""Jesus was different!""But how!?""Jesus...Jesus was an American!"

  • April 20, 2001, 12:28 a.m. CST

    The The Opinion of Gandalf the Grey........Gandalf the Grey

    by Gandalf The Grey

    I(Gandalf the Grey) look brilliant, damn I look good, this is exactly what I pictured myself as looking like..10/10 Aragorn I would rate as a 8/10 in the head sculpture although the trailor picture with the defined sideburns and darker hair looks perfect, I believe the Aragorn in the trailor could be a killer and posess a noble upbringing. Orcs, the first orc looks cool, but the second orc (yellow???) looks terrible. first orc 8/10 second orc 6/10. The hobbits, shit, what can be said, I dont know what I can say. Look, I understand how they are a similiar size to human children and all, but do they appear so human and not so, what do I mean, firstly, Hobbits have probally the hairiest feet in all middle earth, though they have no facial hair whatso ever? Shit, they could get endorsements from Gillete with the ability to shave like that, their skin is baby smooth like a human child, and secondly, how do they not look like a human child, look at those eyes, they are round, like circles, and before everyone attacks me by bluntly pointing out that they arent human, they are Hobbits, I stand by my beliefs. I arent sure what the professor wrote about the appearance of hobbits, maybe I should check the first chapter of The Hobbit, but even still, isnt anyone perplexed? On the appearance of the Hobbits, these head sculptures I would rate 5-7/10. Damn I look good

  • April 20, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Um, NO ONE implied Jesus was black...

    by submersible

    ...unless Pikoro thinks that black and white people make up the only two ethnic groups in the world.

  • April 21, 2001, 8:06 a.m. CST

    do they come with Macdonald's happy meals?

    by mooncake

    the first one looks pretty good, the wizard with the big grey witch hat. Fredo looks kinda dorky.

  • April 21, 2001, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Not only ..

    by Cugel

    .. is that about the creepiest statue (bust, whatever) I've seen but more to the point it makes me a little concerned about how Pippin's going to be depicted in the movies. He was one of the more entertaining characters in LOTR, there both for comedy relief and also to demonstrate how even the most unlikely representative of the most unlikely species (hobbits) could end up in a pivotally heroic role, the development of his character from happy-go-lucky young hobbit to Denethor's personal guard is carried out effectively and even credibly. Here, as most posters have noticed, he looks like a whacked-out pervert crackhead, hardly the Pippin of the novels. Hopefully that was some sculptor's idea of a joke, just to see what all the diehard Tolkienites would have to say about it. (The answer to that, by the way, is "Crazy-eyed Crackhead".) Recall at once!

  • April 21, 2001, 11:49 p.m. CST

    test

    by plasticmonster

    sorry

  • April 22, 2001, 7:34 a.m. CST

    just to be a dick (full of god quotes and all)

    by Coopcooper

    the sun was doing the whole death and resurrection crap jesus got famous from since at least ten to twenty years before jesus was born. they even shoved the immaculate (read: someone was making up for joey boy's blanks, and i'm not talking about "god") born baby on the day typically in celebration of the sun. very symbolic. ahem. now, anybody whose not retarded knows that the bible is symbolism, but delving a bit into the discrepencies of the religion, i'd like to raise a point. it seems simple, and maybe it is, all you christians feel free to set me straight and make me a happy little sheep. but how the fuck do you explain dinosaurs? weren't they worthy of god's only dinosaur son to save their species? or did god himself chuck the comet into the earth? i bet he said, "fuck these idiots, i'm going to create a race of smaller, more fucked up idiots. i'll give them feelings, say they can't do anything that's fun/bad, and then cast off an angel who wants them to do fun/bad stuff, then bet their souls on who's dumb enough to follow who." then he's like, "good Me, why the hell are these bastards making up these fake gods when they have Me? little ingrate cunts. i've some smiting and plague inducing to do..." "hmmm, my people aren't happy. i'll throw my only son into the lions den, he'll die for their piteous worthless souls, and then i'll be a loving, non vengeful, non interactive god. because they aren't big on the whole 'if you hit a man in the head with a stone, and he gets up, you are forgiven, if you hit a man in the head with a stone and he doesn't get up, you must die,' type stuff. so basically, i'm going to pull a 180 on humanity. ummm....but i'm still perfect and shit." well, i think i've done enough damage. feel free to lay down plenty of "sinful" judgements on my heretic mind. burn me at the stake. hahahaha. i don't expect anyone to really get upset, but i'm sure someone will. who cares.

  • April 22, 2001, 8:32 a.m. CST

    busts are waste of time

    by 653-9X

    why do people persist in cluttering up their lives with bits of tat. The busts are decided crap looking. I'd love to go to your houses are clear all the crap out of your homes.

  • April 22, 2001, 8:54 a.m. CST

    test

    by 653-9X

    test

  • April 22, 2001, 11:08 p.m. CST

    elanor - from Coopcooper

    by Coopcooper

    thanks for putting some new info in my brain without any sexual liasons. in truth, i consider myself agnostic. i can't say there is no god with absolute certainty, but i don't believe. its just not my philosophy on life. i have regular lengthy discussions with a christian friend of mine who goes so far as to translate hebrew texts and such. he's quite the studious type. and its always a learning experiance. my blatant mocking of the religion was for kicks, or "just to be a dick," and my theories used in that post weren't meant to be well thought and pointed arguements, just fuel for the fire. i was in one of those moods. umm, is it pikaro? well, he needs to relax a bit. faith and such does a lot of good for some people, at least the ones who don't blindly accept everything about it and have their lapses in faith and keep with it and study and so on. no one should be condemned for what they do or don't believe. but to quote Rage Against the Machine, that sentiment is one of many i liken to a "quiet peaceful dance for the things we'll never have."

  • April 22, 2001, 11:13 p.m. CST

    pikaro - from coop

    by Coopcooper

    just an apology in advance. i forgot what the context of the conversation was from yesterday, you're cool. we all just need to relax. altho i still feel the same way about condemnation in general. and personally i do feel that there is no God. but i do have respect for some of the people who think otherwise. with an emphasis on 'some'. but if you can't have a sense of humor about things, then you're no fun.

  • April 23, 2001, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Wood - How easy can I break you?

    by Glenngarry

    Once again, I want to buy the frodo bust so that I can see how many peices I can break it into. When are they releasing the exploding action figure?

  • How about everyone get off the religion thing and talk about LOTR, and these Damned ugly busts. I hope this artistry done by WETA isn't indicative of the rest of the craftsmanship we will see in the movies, 'cause it's bad. Why didn't they use McFarlane Toys? Oh well, at least Lurtz is cool. Anyway, back to the religion thing... To any Talkbackers that don't believe in life after death: Watch a couple episodes of Crossing Over on the Sci-Fi channel... it pretty much PROVES that there IS life after death! I don't understand why a bigger deal isn't made of it in mainstream media. One of Mankind's eternal questions is being answered right now on freakin' cable television. This should be the biggest story of the century. I'm a HUGE skeptic of anything supernatural... and I actually believe this shit is real.

  • April 23, 2001, 9:28 p.m. CST

    "one of mankind's eternal questions is being answered right now

    by Coopcooper

    that might be the single saddest and most disturbing thing i have ever read. "do you know we are ruled by TV?"