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Hey folks, Harry here with an update! I was contacted by the mysterious Anna Ghaepetto and told that the story that follows... the links that follows have too many Xs for your map. If you want to begin the game as it should be played... just start with the name Jeanine Salla... do a search, and figure it out for yourself. Consuming all the links below at once may very well spoil your dinner... proceed with caution my friends!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... I got the following email from ClaviusBase concerning the A.I. credit in the trailer... "Sentient Machine Therapist - Jeanine Salla" Actually, several people sent in this info, and when I double checked the trailer... I realized they were right. Here's ClaviusBase's letter:

Hey Harry, This is my first time contacting you, but I found out something very interesting with the new AI Trailer. Check out the second frame of credits at the end of the trailer and you'll notice a credit to the Sentient Machine Therapist-Jeanine Salla. Type her name in the search engine, and see what sites pop up...pretty cool stuff! Keep up the good work, Harry!! -ClaviusBase

Ok, so after messing around for a bit, I wound up at which is the home page of Jeanine Salla... The site seems to be all about an advocate and scientist that advanced cybernetics in the next 50 years or so to the point where Artificially Intelligent Robots with human-esque features became common place. As you click around the site, you'll eventually end up...

At this Location, In Our Image.Org is a pro-robot website that is advancing the free-speech and freedom to live unshackled to a human and be their own entity... Intelligently going on through time without SERVING humans. It informs about the dangers facing Robots of the day... the problems with the Anti-Robot Militias...

And that's what got my brain cooking... if they've (Spielberg and crew) thought about Pro-Robot pages... founder of free-thinking robot thought homepages... Then why wouldn't they create an Anti-Robot Militia page.... And after little effort, I found the homepage of the ANTI-ROBOT MILITIA aka Unite-And-Resist.Org! And boy, do they have a wire to pick with the robot folks... This is a pure HATE site... or is it? I mean these fucking tin-cans are taking jobs away from us red-bloods and food from our children's mouths... I've seen TERMINATOR... I know where these little smart rusting bastages will take the world... ALL THE WAY TO ARMAGEDDON!!! I know it! Ummm... Ok, well I have pills to go take, but I've warned ya!!!

Harry here... just found Sentient Property Crime Bureau website, where you can report your thinking toaster's crime against your anus!!! Report it Now!!!

Now I just found MetropolitanLivingHomes.Com which is a living home site, where you can live in a sentient house.... LIKE IN THE HAUNTING!!!!

Ok, now for you German speaking folks, here's a challenge... Spielberg and crew made shit in German tooo.... CLICK HERE FOR GERMAN A.I. Weirdness!!!

Hey folks, just found which is also part of this weirdness!!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here. This goes deeper than Knowles realized at first. I signed on to start poking around for the evening and happened to go into our chat room. Harry was already there. He called me so we were talking as we checked the various links above, and we started posting the links to our chatters as well. Then a guy calling himself "Monkey Stan" signed on and said he had a complete list of the sites associated with the film, all the hidden sites. Some of them aren't active yet, and they have password menus that pop up to keep you out. As I did a domain search on them though, at the suggestion of "Monkey Stan," who turned out to be Stan Tobiason of, it turns out that all of these sites are registered to the women of the Ghaepetto family. They're owned by alphabetically ascending members of the Ghaepetto family, too. Anna, Bianca, Carla, Daniella. As if that weren't all odd enough, check out how many ALICE IN WONDERLAND references are used in these domain names. This is a lot of fun. Someone associated with AI deserves major credit for their work.























There's working phone numbers on those websites. If you call 212-502-1177 and follow the directions to extension #2, it's a creepy message in which a woman asks for help in figuring out her husband's death while boating. There are layers upon layers upon layers of oddity to they way they've built this as a promo campaign. It's like there's some sort of mystery here. I can't wait to see how any of this ties in to the movie.

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  • April 11, 2001, 12:30 a.m. CST

    i am the first

    by erikbroo

    how nice

  • April 11, 2001, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Number Five is Alive!

    by rupert pupkin

    Fear the evil and powerful robot armies of Steve Guttenberg.

  • April 11, 2001, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Really smart.

    by weird v2.0

    This is a really interesting way of advertising a movie. Now we're talking about it. Fuck Spielberg, he's really clever.

  • April 11, 2001, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Speilberg is a genius

    by TyDean 98

    This may not have been this idea, but it just proves that Dreamworks one of the most creative studios today. They really prove that they LOVE film and not money...

  • April 11, 2001, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Okay, this is much better than the damn wooden boy crap

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    But wasn't this one of the story lines in Space: Above and Beyond (they were even called A.I.'s. Robots who got fed up with being slaves and rose up against the humans)? Who am I kidding, robots rising up is an old theme. Didn't Isaac Asimov come up with it? I hope they do something more intesting with it than "a boy's love concurs all, even war". It would just make me sick if there is an A.I. revolution, but the little wooden... uh, I mean robot boy saves humanity by teaching them to love. BLEEECH!!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Asimov Did Do It Before Everyone Else

    by BComing

    hell when you coined the term robotics and shit like that it is hard not to be ripped off continually. throughout asimov's robot stories there is a continuing theme of humans hating robots. it is somewhat solved after a couple of millienium but not really, robots do have equal rights but most humans still don't like them. the becentinial man was the main one that directly attacked the issue. and i have not seen the film version of it but it looks completely different to book in the trailer. there was no fucking robot human kissing or cheek slapping in the book. he was a fucking robot you turned columbus not a god damn human!!! anyway, so yes asimov did this all 30+ years ago. and potty mouth is right, speilberg is as bad as columbu, bet there will be robot human relationships of the intimate kind in AI, hmmmpggg, it's not far, we want monkey sex in planet of the apes not robot sex in any other shit!! but speilberg is a wanker. and harry, wake up, the reason he is doing this kubrick thing is because he has run out of new ideas. he has no soul!! he cannot create anything original anymore, he sold his soul to make the biggest money making films of all time, and now he sucks. just look at the junk he is making now. no soul!!! all visuals and tear jerking wankfests BUT NO SOUL!!!! so yes, i will be there watching AI so he has won, but i am giving him the benefit of the doubt. i hope he can do something good with this, but it still feels like ET meets amistad to me

  • April 11, 2001, 2:59 a.m. CST

    The term Robot...

    by Dlhstar

    ...According to my Brewster's 20th Century Phrase and Fable: ROBOT (Czech _robota_, forced labour) ...Name comes from Karel Capek's play R.U.R. (Rossum's Univeral Robots), which was successfully produced in London in 1923... (Yeah, I know, it's a worthless tidbit of information, but I bought the damn book for $5 on clearance, and I'm going to use facts derived from it any chance I get...)

  • April 11, 2001, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by Captain Katanga

    The work thats gone into all these sites is tremendous! So many fascinating ideas! I cannot wait for this film!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Kudos to slouch...

    by SuperFinn

    ... the talkbacker who also mentioned Ms. Salla on the original A.I trailer messageboard. this is all pretty cool though.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Talk about under the radar... I don't think anyone saw this comi

    by Psyclops

    This is genius! They have actually created a world the consumes our own. I've just checked out the various site mentioned above and all I can say is... wow! This is WAY better than that silly 'MutantWatch' campaign that Fox did for 'X-MEN' last summer. Speilberg has them beat, hands down! Oh yeah... and SCREW THOSE DAMNED ROBOTS!!! LIVE IN THE FLESH, MAN!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 4:50 a.m. CST


    by dastickboy

    Wow! This runs soo much deeper than a typical marketing campaign. Big props to the person behind this.

  • April 11, 2001, 5:16 a.m. CST

    The salty air in Durham, NC

    by ironwill

    I know little about the movie. The less the better, the way my brain jumps ahead and spoils things for me. I couldn't resist viewing a couple of the sites, though. I must say the included details and continuity I've seen are excellent. For example, I've found several references in these sites to Durham, NC being on the coast. (For those who don't know, it's well inland.) That much errosion is plausible, if not probable, given the time setting of the movie. Attention to smaller details like this can make a good story great. I'm looking forward to this one.

  • April 11, 2001, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Cryptographers required

    by Takako Can someone decode this page for me? Valencies of the atoms maybe significant? That's all I could come up with. Check out the root page etc, and see how it links to it: this was sent to the woman after her husband died (killed by a sex-bot on a boat??).

  • April 11, 2001, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by cohen

    they put a lot of thought into this. On the rogue recovery page, the name of the agent that recovers rogue robots is "Fidelio". Fidelio was the password in Eyes Wide Shut. Some serious thought went into these web pages. If they put as much effort into the movie (how could they not) as they did these web pages then this is going to be something really special. This is so great!

  • April 11, 2001, 6:38 a.m. CST -

    by Robotdoll

    As long as we're posting robot-related websites, here's mine. I'm so happy they're doing more stuff like this for this movie.

  • April 11, 2001, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Ghaepetto ?

    by locusta

    I don't know if this is obvious to everybody,but the sites owners' family name sounds pretty familiar... "Ghaepetto " is a mispronounciation of "Geppetto", surrogate father of none other than Pinocchio.Also,in the original novel (EXTREMELY different from the sugar-coated Disney movie,btw)there aren't any Bianca,Carla,ecc,even though these are italian names...I guess this could confirm that (as it was speculated somewhere )"A.I." will be a re-telling of Pinocchio, the tale of an artificial boy who only wanted to be human... ah,try looking for words such as "Collodi" or "lucignolo",they are closely related to the original tale...

  • April 11, 2001, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Kent Whitman - the dead guy

    by thesaintlives

    The name Kent Whitman (the bloke shot dead by Pasqual the runaway on the Rogue Retrieval page) is an amalgamation of the names Professor Kent A. Stevens and Professor Whitman Richards, both of whom worked on AI in the 70's at MIT. The creation kills the creator... On the other hand I could be talking complete crap.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Evan Chan is Dead according to Militia

    by jayntampa

    This is pretty odd, but it makes sense - Evan Chan was killed by a marauding pleasure AI, according to the Anti-Robot Militia site ... now one of the links on the Chan page goes to the familiasalla homepage, where Laia Salla is an AI that's into sex ... and is married/connected to Jeanine Salla who could be having a relationship with Evan Chan -- hmmm, jealous rage? This is a pretty in-depth series of pages ... wish I had the job writing the storyline!

  • April 11, 2001, 8:04 a.m. CST

    ok, I got it, the answer to that letter

    by Takako

    leads to... a french website, and i'll say no more. but it doesn't seem to be up yet. You know they were trying to get these websites into search engines as early as the beginning of March, at least? So the seeds have been around for a while.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:10 a.m. CST

    On the autopsy

    by jayntampa

    Hey, the boat had AI - maybe it got jealous that he was having sex and killed him :P

  • April 11, 2001, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Letter Page- Times pop-up

    by jayntampa

    Go to the letter page and just sit at the screen for awhile. After 5 or 10 minutes, you'll get a disturbing pop-up ... a warning ...

  • April 11, 2001, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Ok, now i'm stumped

    by Takako

    I figured the atomic code puzzle on the site translated as coronsweborg, ie coron's web org. so i tried all variations on that as a URL until worked. but the french site it leads into does not appear to be affiliated with the movie. I give up.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by erspian

    Some cool sf stuff (and I don't mean "I click-As-I-Move's" baloney) related to the film can be found by reading (the obvious) Brian Aldiss' "Supertoys" (at, Ian Watson's early 70s novels specifically (JONAH KIT, FLIES OF MEMORY, EMBEDDING) and Barrington Bayley's SOUL OF THE ROBOT (which Kubrick read while working on the screenplay). There's a Watson site at and a Bayley site at .. worth looking into.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Mmmm... Futrerama refrences

    by RevSam

    From the Anti-Robot site: DEALING WITH ROBOSEXUALS The desire to propagate ones own kind is natural. It is rare in nature that this drive is limited. The question is, does nature cull out those it finds unfit for reproduction? Robosexuals must be encouraged to separate their lifestyles from the community at large

  • April 11, 2001, 8:49 a.m. CST

    ignore me doing this, ignore me doing this

    by Takako

    SPOILER ******** it is, of course,, ******* END SPOLIER one of the sites already linked to from AICN. hence Neo's boo-hoo about giving away answers. Goddammit I skip to the end of Whodunnit novels, what do I know?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:54 a.m. CST

    this is the reason movies cost $10?

    by AssEyes


  • April 11, 2001, 9:56 a.m. CST

    allusion or coincidence

    by cohen

    In William Gibson novells a "aleph" is a large block of information. One of the web sites listed is, and all it says is "test123".

  • April 11, 2001, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Salty Air in Durham

    by siriusblack

    To confirm Ironwill's suspicions, the IMDB listing for AI notes that polar ice melting has raised ocean levels to the point where some coastal areas have been flooded. But Durham's still a LOOONG way from the current shoreline, and if that's the case, there's bound to be some mighty tall dikes up around manhattan way...

  • April 11, 2001, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I solved some of the puzzle myself...

    by rubycon

    This is pretty cool: Did you notice who the dead guy was that appeared in the warning? Have you solved the crypto? If you write the dead guys name SPOILER******* evan chan ******* END SPOILER in the the field and press enter, you will get a message that someone already has accessed the file and you will get a name. You will also gain acces to his autopsy report. This is interesting. Keep posting if you find some new clues.

  • April 11, 2001, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by volvoracer

    At the DonuTech web page, several individual emails are listed. I sent to each asking who they were. Here are some of the [automatic] replies I received.(I've yet to hear from Evan Chan, Associate Researcher Biothermal Analysis...) Although I cannot respond to your message at this time, it has been logged and I will access it in due course. Please forgive the inconvenience and be assured that it will receive my full attention as soon as possible. Svetlana Cellini "The devil is in the details. So is God" I'm sorry but I cannot take your message right now, but I am occupied with urgent business. I will reply to your message as soon as my responsibilities permit. Ibrim Hoxa 'The world is in Allah's hands and we rejoice in doing his bidding' Your message has been noted and will receive the appropriate reply in due course. Carter Swem "In Adam's fall, so fell we all. It is our pride and responsibility as men to set things right." My system has received your e-mail, but for some as-yet unclear reason I have not been able to access it. When I'm back from or done with whatever it is that is important enough to come between our efforts at communication, I will give it my fullest attention. Tiffany Wang "Duty is freedom. Responsibility is freedom. Hard work in a just cause is freedom. If I'm not struggling against imminent doom, I'm probably out ballooning." I'm sorry, but I am working on an extremely urgent project and am unable to respond to you message at this. Please submit your e-mail at another time. Valerie Devidal "Mankind is the universe's way of understanding itself. It is a formidable task. But above all, it is an immense honor." Interesting signature lines, huh?

  • April 11, 2001, 11:45 a.m. CST

    no go

    by volvoracer

    I forgot to note this, but in addition to Evan, I didn't receive replies from Moussa Zaki Khalil, Salif Ojukwa, or Mario Dauphin... go here to see entire research staff:

  • April 11, 2001, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Evan's automated response

    by T'car

    I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing. Evan Chan Sailing to sunset Sweet touch of the evening star Darkness falls like rain

  • April 11, 2001, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Funny That Jeanine Salla Was Named DynaTech Chair.

    by Raddik

    On the Anti-Robot Militia site it mentions that Chan was killed by a pleasure bot. Could this have been Laia Salla? If he was engaging in some sort of immoral purposes, then that might explain the Mann Act passage in Salla's site. Also, could Jeanine have programmed Laia to kill Chan because she knew she could never have him. Damn if I ain't hooked.

  • April 11, 2001, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Some more thoughts about info

    by humphrse

    First, if you are curious about the german site, go to a web translating site such as: They do a pretty good job translating the material. I was able to read that whole german page (and some of the sub-pages). Second, people should start looking at the meta-content of the webpages. I've noticed on a couple of the pages that there are some names in the source code. They may mean something.

  • April 11, 2001, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Kate Nei

    by Raddik

    One of Kate Nei's work is the Isabella, a home in Durham, N. Carolina. The owner, Enrico Basta, is a sailor, as was Evan Chan. Coincidence....

  • April 11, 2001, 1:08 p.m. CST

    It seems like there is a sea of Red Herrings

    by PKD

    Although there is a lot of cool stuff here, I imagine that very little of it is relevant. I imagine that a lot of this effort was done to distract web-heads from looking to closely at the actual story - in a sense, its like an extra feature on a DVD - ultimately irrelevant to the story, but a lot of fun.

  • April 11, 2001, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Odd that no one has noticed the strange abscence of Colleen Francesca Salla from the family's website. Even the page that says "Four Women" at the top only has three. Also, in all of the pictures of Evan Chan on the Salla family site, he' bizarrely transparent.

  • April 11, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I was just going to say that about Collen Francseca Salla

    by PKD

    I have also picked up on something else about a shooting in Washington - details on the Rogue Retrieval site - I also noticed that there have been no references to Rogue Retrieval elsewhere - AND just sent an email for updates from the Salla family site - got this response "OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way, interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would laugh. --Mephista" - WHO OR WHAT IS MEPHISTA?

  • April 11, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    More facts

    by Arglebarg

    The Salla family web site is designed and maintained by Laia Salla. Two hours before Laia heard of Evan Chan's accident, someone posted the element puzzle to the site without Laia's or Mephista's permission. I am assuming that Mephista is some kind of intelligent agent that helps run the site. Anyway, if you figure out the puzzle, as Laia must have done since she enjoys cryptology as a hobby, you are led to On that site is the autopsy report for Evan Chang. We are able to access the report because someone has already paid for it to be made public. This person goes by the name of Sencha, which is a type of Chinese green tea that is honey coloured. Could Sencha have been a pet name that Evan had for Laia? Evan was Chinese and Laia is honey colored. If Laia is the murderous sexbot, as some have proposed, why is someone sending encrypted clues to her that lead to an autopsy report which definitively states Evan did not die by accident? And in response to WildGoose, the fourth woman is the sentient boat.

  • April 11, 2001, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Negative, Ghost Rider. Pattern is full.

    by TheWildGoose

    That's funny, my left testicle was just telling me that the fourth woman was the boat. Wait, what's that, Nutty? You were wrong? Oh, my bad.

  • April 11, 2001, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Some more bits - also Dreamworks must be loving this

    by PKD

    They are getting lots of publicity for thier movie - ALSO - Can anyone figure out what the message that pops up from the Salla family site means - the green one that says "Get Out, Deep Water, You Would Drown" and then dissolves into the picture of a dead Evan Chan - seems like this is an AI brain function...

  • April 11, 2001, 1:48 p.m. CST

    jackpot time

    by missyb9479

    I got into Evan's personal page at DocuTech. The key is to check the pictures on the chan family webpage. One will give you the ID #. The password is the greek name of something that he wants very much.

  • April 11, 2001, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Freaky thing on the letter page.....

    by GrossePointeJack

    Ok, i got to the letter page and while i was trying to solve it, the warning came up (wait about 5 minutes and you'll see it) that tells you to 'Get Out...'...You will be broken...' and then makes a picture of that Chan dude, then promptly dissapears. wierd. Also, has anyone been on (i think thats it) it requires you to use a password to get to IASA. Just wondering if anyone got it. Also...what is all about? I can't see no logical reason for the site being there. Although the elements of design may mean something but i doubt it. I also signed up for familiasalla mail...nothing much, just something about periodic bursts of info. thats finally all anyway...does anyone have anything else?

  • April 11, 2001, 2 p.m. CST

    I Disagree...

    by Raddik

    If you notice on the front page of Salla's site it has a birth lottery certificate.( I assume that is how procreation is attained since Evan mentioned that he and Nancy obtained one 6 months after they were married and Derrick was born.) This one bears the name of Colleen. Could that have any signicance? Maybe..A procreation between man and A.I? It also states that Colleen was made by the machine. In this case the machine would be Laia. As far as the message, I got something different. "Get out. Dark dream. You will not wake up." Then it shows Chan's dead body.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Another Warning

    by GrossePointeJack

    Ok, i just went to Evan Chan's own webpage (the one where he talks about his boat and stuff) and another warning message popped up, it says...Get Out...Physical Lookup In Progress...Hide While You Can...(i think thats it, a rough estimation) and the picture of the dead Chan pops up again. Wierd.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Greek Name Of Something That He Wants Very Much!?!

    by Raddik

    Your killing me, Missy. I can't find it...please...

  • April 11, 2001, 2:13 p.m. CST

    MORE INFO???

    by poogle

    Does anyone know where else I can find info on this? I've got this site,, and the yahoo chat page. What am I missing?

  • April 11, 2001, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Got it? oR not

    by TheWildGoose

    I figured out the ID# and what he wanted, (The big boat in the picure) I'm just not sure how to enter them correctly. can anyone help?

  • April 11, 2001, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Here's the clue

    by missyb9479

    Look at the picures. Evan has boat envy. But it's not Roman. It's greek.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Gigolo Joe

    by BlackfordOakes

    That is Jude Law's character's name. And in reality, the Mann Act was one that dealt with Child Prostitution. "The Mann Act was enacted by Congress through its power to regulate interstate commerce, as a means of addressing the problem of prostitution and immorality in general."

  • April 11, 2001, 2:23 p.m. CST

    How Do You Say Great Grandson In Greek?

    by Raddik

    Also on the Chan Family News, the last entry says Evan came in third place in the Inner Banks Regatta race behind....Millioniare Enrico Basta. You will find him on METROPOLITANLIVINGHOMES.COM under Kate Nei's link. She apparently designed his home called the Isabella. And he happen to live in Durham, N. C. where Evan died. The pathologists that did the autopsy on Evan was AUDREY GREEN

  • April 11, 2001, 2:24 p.m. CST

    His personal page: the secret!

    by Eric_Costello

    I cracked it.. think about it.. why would a sentient boat want to kill its owner? Perhaps because it's jealous.. of something else.. something bigger. A classic case of penis envy, right? So close... but in the language of Gyros. Oh, my goddess! Good luck! And I think you'll be fascinated with the "personal pics" on Evan's page. Clearly, something is deeper in his life... this is the most brilliant movie marketing ever. I'm won over, for life.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, and keep it fun.. don't spoil!

    by Eric_Costello

    Oblique hints and the investigative adventure is what this is all about. If you find a solution, provide hints, not answers! After all, a Greek dictionary is only a Yahoo search away. Can we, the TalkBackers, maintain the mystery? I hope so. Evan Chan would have wanted it this way!

  • April 11, 2001, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Umm..I Can't Make It Out.

    by Raddik


  • April 11, 2001, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by BlackfordOakes

    Anyone else wonder why imdb doesn't list any Asians in the cast?

  • April 11, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Eric_Costello

    relax. Try some things. It'll come to you. Translate. Experiment. You'll get it. After all, your third time is the charm! (AHEM!)

  • April 11, 2001, 2:43 p.m. CST

    The Damn ID....

    by GrossePointeJack

    Ok, i have the password...think Mira Sorvino (what a godess she is...anyway...) i think i have the ID number but nothing happens, i'm spelling the password the way it should be in greek but i'm just stumped...Help!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Not COMPLETELY greek, GPJ

    by Eric_Costello

    It's the Americanized spelling of the Greek word. Yes, it's Mighty, indeed! Check IMDB! :)

  • April 11, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Questions you'll have..

    by Eric_Costello

    ..after reading Evan's e-mail. Who is Mother? Why is she sending a dead guy e-mail? What's her fascination with Alice in Wonderland? And most importantly, what's the ID code for...? I await the next brilliant mind to lead us somewhere new! Fun!

  • April 11, 2001, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Why good boats go bad

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It simply got sick of hearing, "We need a bigger boat" jokes and went nuts.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Evan needs therapy

    by Arglebarg

    Thanks for the tip Missy! Evan's page should lead to new information. How twisted is Evan that he named his robot sex slave after the thing he most desires? Or perhaps the thing he most desires is named after the robot sex slave? I can see why the boat might get pissed. If you don't see what I am getting at, look at the URL's for the pictures on Evan's private page.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:52 p.m. CST

    throwin' a bone & ID code

    by nikkori

    Mm. Right. The scrapbook images on Evan Chan's personal page are an excellent hint. His envy of larger vessels, and their Greek counterparts, as well as his own portraits. For whoever still isn't getting something, you may be having the same problem I had initially; the third digit in Evan's 4-digit ID looks a bit like a 6, but it's a 0. Anyone figure out how to use "mother"'s little helpful hint? Doesn't work with IASA.

  • April 11, 2001, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Nancy Drew asked me...

    by volvoracer

    Is there a deeper meaning behind Earth-Net 69?

  • April 11, 2001, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Thanks Eric.

    by GrossePointeJack

    Thanks Eric, finally got in...just snooping around now...our Mr Chan has been a very naughty boy...

  • April 11, 2001, 3 p.m. CST

    My brain just got fried

    by PKD

    Someone at the yahoo Jeanine Sallas conspiracy site on yahoo seems to believe that this is a game that is occuring in real time - They have been following this for a couple of days and take note of new things being added to various sites - check it out - NOTICE THAT THE EMAIL FROM MOTHER IS ADDRESSED TO "Not Evan" meaning that the sender knows Evan is dead and that someone is looking at his email!! CRAZY!!

  • April 11, 2001, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by Raddik

    Eric, that email was dated April 10, and the autopsy reads that he died on August 3.

  • April 11, 2001, 3:09 p.m. CST

    March 10, not August 3

    by PKD

  • April 11, 2001, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Date of Evan's Death

    by Arglebarg

    The autopsy report uses the European convention of putting the month before the date. That means Evan died on March 8th, and that date correlates with his e-Mail clues.

  • April 11, 2001, 3:31 p.m. CST

    New Link, methinks

    by AustimusPrime

    Hey all, just getting into the thick of this, but I think I've got a new site for us all to consider. Check out No great sleuth work on my part, just some search engine manipulation on "Aragon Institute." Whaddaya think, anything helpful here? I know I like mech fighting...

  • April 11, 2001, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Neat find, Austimus...

    by Eric_Costello

    So, can we assume that the boat "Venus" is named after the woman, "Venus"? Venus being Enciro Basta's companion? Is it possible that Evan had an affair with Venus, on Venus? Causing his boat to become a bit.. jealous? Or is it possible that the figure, "Venus", is really just the "interface" to the boat? A human-like robotic interface to a complex machine? Too many questions! Any other theories?

  • April 11, 2001, 3:44 p.m. CST

    site name registration's

    by franklin's wheel

    I did a little detective work on Network Solutions and came up with 44 websites registered to "Ghaepetto", so there are a bunch more yet to be discovered. I could go no further with the information N.S. provided. Maybe you can. The link is below along with the info form the page. Ghaepetto, Anna (AMG838) master@EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM 505 555 2468 Ghaepetto, Anna (AMG839) aghaepetto@HOTMAIL.COM 505 555 2468 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11249) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11251) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11250) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11252) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11253) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11254) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11255) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11256) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11257) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BG11258) 701 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Bianca (BGC271) bghaepetto@NETSCAPE.NET 701 555 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11699) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11700) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11701) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11702) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11703) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11704) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11705) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11706) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11707) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11708) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11710) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11709) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11711) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11713) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11712) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CG11728) 281 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Carla (CGL340) cghaepetto@ALTAVISTA.COM 281 555 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17158) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17159) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17161) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17160) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17162) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17163) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17164) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17165) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17166) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17167) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17168) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17170) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17171) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DG17169) 313 555 1234 123 123 1234 Ghaepetto, Daniella (DGD452) dghaepetto@LYCOS.COM 313 555 1234

  • It is clear that a lot of work went into this. It is a game and if you want to respect it, follow the rules. It seems to me that this is a self-contained universe - that means no Google searches, etc... - just follow the links as they are presented and the game should unravel - notice that Jeanine Salla's webpage at the university has ONLY 1 LINK - and that the Salla family page has only 2 exit links - to DonuTech and - follow the links CONTAINED IN THE SITES - follow from Jeanine Salla's site at Bangalore university and go from there - I imagine things will make themselves clearer as you go.

  • April 11, 2001, 3:49 p.m. CST

    New Warning Message

    by AustimusPrime

    "Get out. This can not be stopped. You would be run over." Interesting use of tense in the last line, curious about exactly what "this" is. Thoughts?

  • IMHO. Anyway, whilst the possibility that one of the 4 women in his life (the sallas pair, his wife, and his AI boat) was responsible for his death is the one that springs to mind most easily (my initial suspicion was laia, with maybe the boat my second choice). But having read his emails, does anyone else suspect his bosses? The pair of them send him emails saying "Yeah, that problem with the eqipment was nothing serious! let's all go with the big push!". Sounds like the setup to The Fugitive to me. He suspected their product didn't work??? And they topped him? (hell, maybe they hacked into the boat/girl). Also, what is the ID code (that 'mother' refers to) the code for? and can anyone find the page for the 'kitty' massage parlour? ;)

  • April 11, 2001, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by Eric_Costello

  • April 11, 2001, 3:59 p.m. CST

    'whois' of little help.

    by Eric_Costello

    They registered the domains without a consistent company name. Therefore, 'whois' won't help much. I think we should solve this mystery the old-fashioned way -- with clues, not Network Solutions. And our clues leave us at Evan's e-mail...

  • April 11, 2001, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Woooooh! Ah LOOOOOHV dis plays! *Hic*

    by user id indeed!

    Man, what a mindjob this stuff is. Well, I'm afraid if I get too far into this, Jude Law will find me and crush my skull with his helmey-like hair, but here's a thought: at the beginning of the new trailer (damn that Teddy! It shall haunt my nightmares for weeks, thus replacing that "wilight of the Cockroaches" thing), they have that "seven digit code" thing, and it has a little thing that says it's "permanent and irreversible", then it gives us a bunch of words that are apparently unrelated and random( and most of them are eight or six letters... well, I'm still gnawing my leg to see this movie, even if it's not that encouraging to people who can count)... lessee here... there's "cirrus", "Socrates", "particle", "dolphin", "tulip", "decible", and "hurricane". Maybe the ghost of Socrates will make dolphins hell really loud... um... I dunno. Well, at this point I'd say any chance of people saying Shpiel ain't doin' Kubby justice is thoroughly shot to hell, no? 'bout time. Now, bring on those Stan Winston robots! Nee ha! I mean... pling. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! The Love Boat, indeed.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Anybody catch this?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Hey all, I've been reading the posts and figuring out the riddles and puzzles and what-not in this maze of webpages with great fun. It's refreshing not to have a TALK BACK posting full of Episode 2 rips and the like. Anyway, did anybody catch the connection between the coroner Dr. Djombe Ojimbwa, M.D. and Jeanine Salla taking the same day off as a "Personal Day"? It may be nothing but I've been trying to cross-check Evan's "Events Calendar" with Jeanine Salla's to see if anything corresponds. So far, I haven't seen anything, but the date of Evan's autopsy is 3-10-2142 and that Dr. Djombe Ojimbwa, M.D. was "absent" & "taking a personal day". Jeanine's calendar says that she's "out of town. personal". This is getting interesting. Later.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by mkhadafi

    If you go through the trailer frame by frame in the end credits a 323 pops up between the and aol keyword: ai text. I can't figure out exactly what that means or how to go about finding out but i am sure that it is of some significance. post anything if you find out.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:22 p.m. CST

    And no one noticed...

    by Vroomfundle

    I'm surprised no one commented upon Evan's age in the coroner's report. Dude was in pretty good shape... Vroomfundle

  • April 11, 2001, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Finally something that brings talkbackers together!

    by Ambrose Chappell

    See, we too can be civil. :) I think I'm getting into this pretty late in the game...gonna have to start at the beginning.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Some more info

    by Snafu

    Alright, so Fidelio takes down Pasqual who is responsible for the death of Kent Whitman. Don't know where Whitman fits in to all of this but his is the only other name besides Chan that you can access at the coroner site. It's paid for by GK, while the few other names I've tracked down at the coroner (besides Chan) need to be paid for. Anyone locate a 12 digit Universal Address # for the Anti-Robot Militia.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Two sides of Evan's death... revealed!

    by Eric_Costello

    We know that Evan died on his boat. And we know it was homicide. But it seems that the two sides have very strong opinions on the WHY's of this story. The anti-robot groups claim that Evan was killed by a "rampaging pleasure-bot". This almost certainly gives proof that he was with VENUS on the boat -- VENUS, as you may remember, is the dashing companion of Enrico Basta as seen at Kate Mei's home design. Venus was gorgeous, and we know they'd been together on the past, because there's some very "boat-like" pictures of her on Evan's personal company web page. So the question is: did Venus rampage, like the anti-robot people suggest? Or, if we take the other side, and believe that these robotic beings CAN have feelings, maybe Cloudmaker was so completely jealous that Evan was sleeping with Venus, basically, inside of her, that she killed them both. It all depends: do robots have feeling or not? Are you pro, or anti-robot? Hmm... Evan, you will not die in vain! We will solve this!

  • April 11, 2001, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Don't Know if this matters

    by Snafu

    Don't know if this matters, but Chan took weekly meetings from 10-1. On one of these meetings, he was killed it would seem, as he was killed on 08/03/2142 at +/- 1100.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:53 p.m. CST

    More about the storyline

    by chewbacca_81

    This webpage as an excerpt of a biography on Stanley Kubrik. It discusses several possible storylines that AI may take:

  • April 11, 2001, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Yes, this is all very fun, but AICN how much is Dreamworks payin

    by Phantom Einstein

    And isn't it based on a book? Can't you yobs just read it?

  • April 11, 2001, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Evan's affair

    by Arglebarg

    On the day Evan died, his calendar says he has a meeting from 10 am to 1 pm. These 3 hour meetings go all the way back to January and are scheduled in advance to June. Obviously, these are the times where Evan was meeting Venus (and possibly someone else?)on his boat. Evan was also going to marriage counseling with Nancy during that time. A thought on the employer conspiracy theory: In Evan's mail there is a letter from Instant Genius saying that Evan's request for a search on "Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot" is complete. This search is related to a theory that global warming will increase mutations in deadly bacteria and virii. Is it possible that Evan found evidence that new, deadly strains of bugs are developing and his employer is trying to cover it up? Perhaps the Donutech client, WaterWorks-Green Microtech , has a vested interest in Evan's discovery not going public.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:57 p.m. CST

    My bad!

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Actually, the autopsy was performed on 10-3-2142 and not 3-10-2142 as I previously thought. Sorry. Gotta keep digging.

  • April 11, 2001, 4:58 p.m. CST

    My Theory

    by GrossePointeJack

    Ok, Eric got me thinking about this whole thing and what it has to do with the i think that we'll find out the boat killed Evan...why? because they want us to be convinced that robots have feelings too (His love is real...but he is not) i think its nothing more than a gimmick to be tied in with the film...its still an enjoyable one though, no doubt. i just dont think this has any signifigance to the movie (If i'm wrong then i take it all back). One more thing, i'm sure that Eric has something to do with all this, he seems to be pointing us all in the right direction quite a bit...or maybe i'm just tired, oh well it still feels like he's dropping where do we go from Evan's E-mail...

  • April 11, 2001, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Tie-in, clues, etc.

    by Eric_Costello

    GPJ -- I'm not actually associated with this film, although I wish I was right now! I just enjoy these types of mysteries, and really like that everyone is pitching in with their theories and ideas -- it's an exciting collaboration. And yes, of course this is a tie-in "gimmick" with the movie -- but it doesn't really matter to me. I think it stands alone as a really neat "game", regardless. Some marketing efforts are odious. But this one, with all the work that went into it, is admirable to me. Anyhow, the big question you raise is a good one -- will they ever mention Evan Chan in the movie, or is this just a sidestory getting us up to speed with the climate of the future? I don't know, but I can't wait. I'll be the one guy cheering when they say "Evan Chan" in passing. =) Anyway, onward! I love these theories and ideas! More!

  • April 11, 2001, 5:06 p.m. CST

    not only 323 but 406?

    by mkhadafi

    i posted something about the 323 in the trailer and then i went to the website for Jeanine Salla where she talks about getting a message just before getting word of Evan's death. It appeared to be some sort of math problem. I got the atomic number of each of the elements and did the math which worked out to be 406. 406? what the hell are they trying to do to me? ARGH!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 5:10 p.m. CST

    martin swinton

    by Olliebee

    I've been trying to connect Evan Chan to the Swintons since the Swintons are the only ones we know are characters in the film. And the closest I could come was that Martin was a student of Jeanine Salla. But then I looked at the cast list and discovered that Martin Swinton is played by Jake Thomas, a ten yearold, in the movie. Interesting that in the movie, Martin is a boy (David's brother) but in this web mystery, he's an adult. I believe I read that Martin was born in 2085 (although can't find it now) which would mean the film would take place around 2095, almost 50 years earlier than Evan Chan's death.

  • April 11, 2001, 5:16 p.m. CST

    IASA code

    by Kate Nei

    hmmmm....Clues, pls?

  • April 11, 2001, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Passwords, names, logons?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Has anyone figured out what the name and password is for the PACO website? Also what is up with the number in Mother's e-mail? I too got the magic 406 number when adding the atomic weights together from the riddle. I tried taking the square root, but that didn't work as it's a decimal. More later. I've got 5 websites open and am trying to cross-check and figure stuff out. This is fun!

  • April 11, 2001, 5:21 p.m. CST

    And another thing. . .

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Did anyone catch the name of Derrick's boat? It seems a little blurry on my screen.

  • April 11, 2001, 5:24 p.m. CST

    The Atomic Info

    by Eric_Costello

    For your late comers (hi!), the "atomic chart" has been cracked -- it's not so much numbers-based, as it is LETTERS-based. NaCl, baby... It will lead you to a very interesting site where you can learn more about the outcome of a certain fellow named Evan... go for it!

  • April 11, 2001, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Martin Swinton = Stan Winston

    by dbh7u

    Martin Swinton is an AI house designer in one of the links. Seems kind of close to Stan Winston if you ask me. I'd be willing to bet at least a few of his homes will be in the movie.

  • April 11, 2001, 5:32 p.m. CST

    OK, maybe I was right. . .

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    On the autopsy report, it says that Evan's DOB was 20-2-2066. That means that they DO put the day first, followed by the month and then the year. So, I guess he WAS killed on the 8th of March and that the coroner was on a personal day on the date of the autopsy as well as Jeanine Salla. Hmmmm. . . What is the connection?

  • April 11, 2001, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Want to go further? JOIN the mailing list!

    by Eric_Costello

    Worried that once this news story scrolled off of AICN, my life would become meaningless (kidding!), I've decided to set up a mailing list for the discussion of this fascinating game. Let's keep the clues and theories coming! To join, please visit

  • April 11, 2001, 5:42 p.m. CST

    derrick's boat

    by Olliebee

    It looks like Derrick's boat is named The (or Thy) Fishing Machine. But yeah, blurry on mine as well. And regarding Martin, his houses can't be in the film b/c remember, he's just a kid.

  • April 11, 2001, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Four Women

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    So, was the woman in the picture on Evan's personal webpage the "robosexual"? She certainly has that blank, glazed "come-hither" look in her eyes that a robot sex model would have (but, then again so does Tara Reid). Was she the killer? Did the boat take control of her and have her kill Evan? Ideas? Also, any more codes? It seems like we have a lot of keys but noone knows the right key-holes to put them in. Nice work on the Yahoo Club too. I was thinking the same thing.

  • April 11, 2001, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Eric, I'm There Dude...

    by Raddik

    I just got back from my kids baseball game and I haven't been able to stop thinking about this. I kinda put Enrico's wife(?), Venus, in the whole scheme of things. Venus was also the name of the boat that Chan wanted. Could it have been Enrico's boat named after his wife? In Chan's news page it says he competed with him in a boat race. That leads me to believe that he was familiar with him. Also if he was having an affair with Venus, the wife, what if she was the pleasure bot. Think about it..

  • April 11, 2001, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Anyone Noticed How Young Chan Looked.

    by Raddik

    I mean he is talking about having great grandkids. And he had his first born when he was 25! Could this be a miscast or part of the plot? Is Chan an AI?

  • April 11, 2001, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Quirky graphic

    by AustimusPrime

    On the "Four Women" page there is an almost invisible heart next to Evan Chan's name. This got me to thinking about the icons next to everyone else's names-- possibly some sort of code? None of the icons do anything, and their names are relatively uninteresting... come on, someone bite, do something with this...

  • April 11, 2001, 6:40 p.m. CST

    secret code...

    by Marconelly

    If you call 212-502-1177 there's a message from Evan's wife and an option to enter a code (If you're Laia) to hear a secret message. I tried the one from Mother's e-mail but it didn't worked...

  • April 11, 2001, 7:09 p.m. CST

    phone code

    by DigitalJustice

    i need the code for laia at the 212 number. i think there is some important shit in that message. btw, i think its cool how were all working on this. so find me that code! its not 323, 406, or 668473. HELP! Also, did anyone have luck with the 2nd ph #? its 919-425-2310. good luck

  • April 11, 2001, 7:18 p.m. CST

    The 919 phone number

    by missyb9479

    It's Jeanine Salla's voice mail where she thanks everyone for helping her through this difficult time. Also called David Swinton's munber earlier. It's another answering machine saying they are closed. Has anyone else been getting odd pop ups when they type Evan Chan's name? It's not all the time. Just sometimes. It's really odd.

  • April 11, 2001, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Belladerma website

    by missyb9479

    The link in the article doesn't work. I got through this another way. it's If someone has a fax machine please go here and put in your number. It claims that Belladerma will fax you back. If you have know idea what Belladerma is check some news at the less friendly robot sites.

  • April 11, 2001, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Evan's appearance

    by Arglebarg

    As for how young Evan and others look despite their age, the answer is simple. In the future, those who can afford it will be able to drastically increase their lifespans and their virile, active years. Take a look at Evan's calendar on his private site and you'll see quite a few appointements to have various parts of his body reconstructed. (upgraded deltoids, metacarpals, and gums; a genital retread, a biorythm adjustment)

  • April 11, 2001, 7:36 p.m. CST


    by Han Ol' Buddy

    I used to make those calls to bothe Jeanine Salla's number and the one about the funeral. None of the mailbox numbers worked and I have no idea about the secret, Laia code. This is just way cool. The people who set this up are probably shitting themselves, reading all us geeks post about small clues and discoveries. Neat. About that heart next to Evan's page. It also beats, right? Weird. Also, the page for familiasalla was supposedly set up by Laia. And, does anyone know anything about this Colleen Francesca? It seems that the home page to the Sallas is an evolution of a family/humankind? Jeanine was human and "made the machine". She had astigmatism and wore glasses. She was a 2D movie consultant and she made AIs. Colleen was a "eugenically bred human", had perfect, 20/10 vision, was taught by brilliant AIs and had her color-blindness gene removed by a viral splice(Dominant or Recessive? Who's her father?), she was also a 3D VR comsumer (sp?). Laia is an "enhanced post human", is a holographic artist, has AI implants and has optical impants. She also has download and playback capability. Did she see something? Will we be able to access it when we figure out a secret?!?!?!? Did she see the murder?!?!?!? How cool would that be. The text on the DNA says, "Breaking the helix". Should we be looking for a gene sequence? (A)-Adenine, (G)-Guanine, (T)-Thymine, (C)-Cytosine? Any ideas?

  • April 11, 2001, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Seeing how well this kind of mystery works I simply can't wait for a game based on this same concept. It's called Majestic and is supposed to contact YOU giving you a phone calls, sending faxes and e-mail etc. How great is that going to be :)

  • April 11, 2001, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Belladerma site

    by Arglebarg

    That Belladerma site is so cool! Good going Missy. I just wish the options page worked so I could build a woman like they did in Weird Science!

  • April 11, 2001, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Am I right?!?!?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Check out Evan's "Events Calendar" on his hidden, private page. "2/11/2142 - Call L. for report (remind her not to download to home system!)" Was she (Laia?) checking up on someone? For him? This is getting (already is) cool.

  • April 11, 2001, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Okay, what we've got:

    by nikkori

    This is what keys we've got, and keys we need to fill, that I can see. KEYS: A) From Evan's mailbox: 668437. B) "323" shown during 1 frame in the trailer; this may be nothing. KEYHOLES: A) Did anyone manage to login at the bottom of the Coroner's site? B) UAN needed for the Dermaweb Catalog. C) UAN needed for the Anti-Robot Militia. D) IASA login needed [accessed via Martin or others], E) Code for Laia's message on Evan's wife's voicemail. ...... Obviously, we are still missing a lot of stuff. It may be that the mystery's impossible to unravel until they feed us some more hints (which may take months). Let us hope not! Continue the quest.

  • April 11, 2001, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    I think that we are dead-ended where we are. Seems to me we're just going to have to wait for them to throw us some more bones. Unless, of course, you're as good as I am and you know what 668437 is.

  • April 11, 2001, 8 p.m. CST

    Spill It Wild Goose..

    by Raddik

    Don't make me come over there!

  • April 11, 2001, 8:02 p.m. CST

    12-digit UAN

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    We have 668437 and 323 and 406 (the sum of all the atomic numbers in the Evan code). However, the last two may mean nothing. But, since the Jeanine Salla reference came from the trailer and kicked this all off, I have a feeling that it does mean something. I tried all the numbers in a bunch of orders and have come up with diddley. Wild Goose, you know something? Share with the rest of the class, please? Anyone else notice the Latin words/phrase on the Belladerma website. I tried translating them from Latin (are they?) to English and didn't come up with much. Quidem means "indeed". Anyone know what the others mean? "Lombardi Quidem Artem Amatorium Invenerunt". And have we worked on the seven-word code from the trailer at all? Any significance there? Man, I'm gonna be up all night!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 8:03 p.m. CST

    another mystery

    by missyb9479

    Coronersweb has more hidden than just Evan's death. Another robot related death from the ARM page will lead you to another report. Is this realted to Evan Chan, another mystery, or just a way to throw us off track?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    No, I was just kidding to give y'all a rouse.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Arglebarg

    If you look at a numeric keypad, like on a phone, you will find that 668437 spells mother.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:14 p.m. CST

    See above

    by TheWildGoose

    Coincidence? I think not.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    I know Laia's passcode for the 212-502-1177 phone number! I am BATMAN!

  • April 11, 2001, 8:22 p.m. CST

    kubrick code

    by DigitalJustice

    there was a number that kept popping up in kubrick films: 114 too many example to cite now, but start trying it when you are at a loss. Dig.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Laia's Involvement

    by TheWildGoose

    Bust this, y'all. I know the passcode for Jeanine Salla's special message to Laia. In the message, Jeanine tells Laia that Nancy doesnt want Laia to attend Evan's funeral because it would upset her too much. Let the speculation begin.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:28 p.m. CST

    All right...

    by nikkori

    Re: 406... I think that we established that the atomic symbols were clues leading to coronersweb. While 406 may still have significance, I expect it's more likely a superfluous bit of trivia. As for the latin, I don't know the word Lombardi and can't seem to find it (or Lombardus) in a Latin dictionary. If it is a noun, the sentence could be translated as: "The [Lombards] certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love." .... 668437="mother", huh? Eenteresting... Anyone gotten around to faxing Dermathing yet?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:31 p.m. CST

    i can only show you the door

    by TheWildGoose

    Call 1-212-502-1177 (Salla) and when it asks for the code enter 5242. This is Laia's name on the keypad. You'll hear the odd message. Any other clues?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Hints, Wild Goose...

    by Raddik

    How to get the code for Laia. Enlighten us.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Hints, Wild Goose...

    by Raddik

    How to get the code for Laia. Enlighten us.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The most fun I've had since I discovered porn sites. . .

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    . . . uh, did I just say that out loud? Anyway, thanks for the translation. I am sans a Latin dictionary and the online ones didn't work out too sweet. I tried using 114 as Laia's special code, but it didn't work. I did get sent to a few messages where the voice mail lady was giving me directions. But, with, the controls aren't too sweet. Goose, give us some hints as to the code. Pllleeeeeeeasssssseeeeee?!?!?!?! Thanks.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:37 p.m. CST

    To reitierate

    by TheWildGoose

    As posted above, in Evan's email from mother (which by the way, isn't to Evan) mother tells the reader that SHE wouldnt have used 668437 as her passcode. This means mother. If Laia is the reader, then her code is...wait for it...5242. This is access code for Jeanine Salla's voicemail. Snooch to the motherfuckin nootch.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:39 p.m. CST

    You are the bomb!

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Thanks for the hint WildGoose. You can be my wingman anytime. Bullshit! You can be mine! Kidding. Now, we have to start working on the other "funeral info" number and all the other clues. I wonder how many of these clues are phone dialpad and letter combinations. Hopefully not all of them. Later.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:41 p.m. CST

    More number-letter clues?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Could 323 mean Dad?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:44 p.m. CST

    how to get to evan's hidden page

    by BustaFart

    someone tell me

  • April 11, 2001, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Symbols on 4 women site

    by Arglebarg

    The symbols next to the names on the 4 women site are quarter pieces of a heart. Laia's piece is the only one that is blue. Does that mean that she is the only one sad about Evan's death?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The real story

    by TheWildGoose

    Okay here it is, I think Evan killed himself after having his shitty poetry rejected. He framed the boat for the murder because, well, why the fuck not.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Private webpage instructions

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Bustafart, peep this. As WildGoose said, "I can only show you the door". Look on the "our scrapbook" page at Nancy Chan's webpage. Look in the photos for a 4-digit code. The password is another thing. It's a word. It's Greek. It's the equivalent for the name of a big boat that Evan's jealous of. It's also in the title of a Mira Sorvino movie. If you scroll up the TalkBack, you can find all these clues. Good luck. Then, you can join us in the rest of the clues and hidden secrets that we have no idea how to access yet. Later.

  • April 11, 2001, 8:53 p.m. CST

    it's clear

    by TheWildGoose

    How come in the In Memoriaum page, in all of the pictures, Evan is translucent. It's really obvious. What does it mean?

  • April 11, 2001, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Don't know if we've tracked this down yet

    by Snafu

    But in the latin translation in Belladerma, Lombardy seems to be a place. The galleries it talks about the them being the most beautiful galleries in Lombardy.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:02 p.m. CST

    This is fucking cool!

    by Manda

    I've decoded Take the chemical symbols for the elements to get coronersweborg. And the site has already been discovered. So, old news I guess ;)

  • April 11, 2001, 9:04 p.m. CST

    That's strange

    by CaliburX

    Weird I could have sworn I have seen this movie before. Doesn't this boy grow donkey ears, and long pointed nose and eventually he gets swallowed by a whale. It's strange because this movie is not out yet and I already know the plot. Must be a bad case of Deja Veux

  • April 11, 2001, 9:06 p.m. CST

    if its so clear.....

    by DigitalJustice

    then tell us why. you sure know a lot about this...for a human!!!!!

  • April 11, 2001, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Sencha (the name that paid for the coroner's file at is an anagram of E.S. Chan. Weird. Did he fake his death?

  • April 11, 2001, 9:09 p.m. CST

    its clear

    by TheWildGoose

    When I say its clear, I'm refering to Evan's transparency in the memorium photos. Stupidhead.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by Han Ol' Buddy

  • April 11, 2001, 9:15 p.m. CST

    i know...

    by DigitalJustice

    i just wanted to use that human joke. but you do seem to know a lot... im not sure that youre human at all......... METALHEAD!

  • April 11, 2001, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Second try

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    I pressed RETURN by mistake. If SENCHA is ES CHAN, what's his middle name? Does that mean anything? Also, anything with the names and initials of the Sallas as well? They all have a first, middle and last name (duh) but something seems to be there, staring us in the face and we aren't catching it yet. Man, I gotta go to bed. Hope to catch up tomorrow. Go to that Yahoo website if you get anything. Otherwise, Harry can get another TALKBACK going. Later.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Phone number passcode

    by Snafu

    The number, 668437, is mother on a telephone keypad, as we've already ascertained. Therefore, I think it is safe to say that the e-mail, grave robber, in Chan's private page is from this "mother" (whether or not it is the real mother is unknown) is to Laia, because we know her passcode is 6242, which is her name on a keypad. Just a thought, maybe there's more there.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:20 p.m. CST

    my above post

    by Snafu

    Forgot to mention that my logic is that "Mother" in the e-mail, mentions that she is smart because she would never use the 668437 number as her passcode, which Laia did. SHe does refer to herself as being smarter "than this poor corpse" though, which is a little weird, cuz Laia isn't dead... Or is she? Is Chan really alive and Laia really dead? Speculation flies.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Mann Act 2

    by Snafu

    There has to be more relevance to this than we're discussing. It pops up on the Salla Family Homepage as well as the Sentient Property Crime Bureau webpage. Anyone dug anything up about it?

  • April 11, 2001, 9:37 p.m. CST

    ok help

    by BustaFart

    what is the id: at the employee sign at the donu tech site

  • April 11, 2001, 9:43 p.m. CST

    You're no fun. . .

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    1007 aphrodite

  • April 11, 2001, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    The message from mother could actually be for us - the players. Little curious childs, digging the grave (mailbox) of a dead man. Saying that she would never use password like that is just another clue because such password is kind of easy to break. And she is smarter than the poor corpse, because we already know Evan's password and have no clue what could be hers. Mother may be here to help us in the quest, to give some directions or clues just like she already did. Furthermore, I think Mother is actually Mephista, AI who helps Laia making the web site. Mephista made the site - the looking glass we were looking through to find clues for Evan's user ID and password ("And I made the looking glass"). Also, she obviously spies on Laia, knowing her password and giving us clue how to get it.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:53 p.m. CST

    web sites

    by Snafu

    I'd like to point out that when Harry first posted the lists of sites, the last few I clicked on came up with boxes for IDs and Passwords, like maybe they weren't done or something. Now the URLs are empty, like maybe they websites have been moved or something.

  • April 11, 2001, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by Kate Nei

    Tried throwing some homicide victim names off ARM into PACO, then I get a prompt for a credit tag number!!! Shit. No progress on the UAN either....well we know it's 12 digits...I want to get into that Bellerama site! (also requires a UAN)....what we need is a cache of personal info...! lastthing----I still don't get how that person figured the PASSWORD for Evan's donutech personal page was the GREEK translation of the object of his envy! JESUS! How does greek come into this? Whatever man, kudos to you!

  • April 11, 2001, 10 p.m. CST

    Last few frames of the trailer

    by no_droog

    Anybody notice something weird about the "Summer 2001" at the end of the trailer? What are those tick marks about?

  • April 11, 2001, 10:04 p.m. CST



    My Idea for a Robot movie: It's the future, and androids exist but they are very very expensive. There is a guy obsessed with a former girlfriend. He is stalker material. His former girlfriend gets married to another guy. The Stalker is pissed, but he's rich and offers his X-Girlfriend and husband money to digitally scan her image so he can make an android of her. It's perfect, and the stalker is happy. The android is programmed to love him. The real X-Girlfriend then dies in a car crash, and her husband is devastated. Now the husband guy becomes a stalker because the image of her exists in the android and he misses her. The two guys kill each other fighting over the android. The movie ends with the android chick pretending to be human at an android factory and asking if she can get an android of the stalker made.

  • April 11, 2001, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Our Next Move....

    by Raddik

    Would be to get the passcodes for the ARM site and the PACO site. I've also typed in my phone number in the ARM site and I'm waiting for them to call back.

  • April 11, 2001, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by BionicGirl

    Has anyone started making a site to better organize our thoughts on this? I'm not talking something like the Cloudmakers Yahoo thing . . . more of a laying out our pieces in a row thing.

  • April 11, 2001, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Old Age and AI Chronology

    by MaoZeus

    First off, the issue of the characters being older than they appear. Its been pointed out that appointments for organ replacements were scheduled on Evan's secret page. Since creating an entire AIs is apparently cost effective in this time period, one has to assume that replacement parts are equally available (even on a reasearcher's budget). Perhaps longer life spans (in addition to population growth) were the reason that the Birth Lottery was enacted in the first place. Maybe it was deemed the lesser of two evils to deny birthrights than to deny life extending technologies. Now about the Chonology of the Game and the film. In the trailer its suggested that the creation of an entirely human AI was something that hadn't been attempted before. Ausmit's character may be the first one, and the film is a study of the evolution of robots moving from tools to citizens from his point of view (kinda like Bicentenal Man, 'cept good). Just thought of this one, in the trailer the voiceover mentioned that the broken hearted parents were waiting for a "License". Suggesting that the child AI isn't for those who are medically unable to have children, but those who haven't been given permission. Maybe the plan is to "recycle" these children, allowing them to be raised and re-raised by different parents. How long would these cycles last? Just wild speculation on my part. As far as the game goes, I'm far too lazy to figure this stuff out (or even pick up the phone... its all the way in the other room!). So I'll just leech off of you all for now... keep it comming, this stuff is great!

  • April 11, 2001, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Old Age and AI Chronology

    by MaoZeus

    First off, the issue of the characters being older than they appear. Its been pointed out that appointments for organ replacements were scheduled on Evan's secret page. Since creating an entire AIs is apparently cost effective in this time period, one has to assume that replacement parts are equally available (even on a reasearcher's budget). Perhaps longer life spans (in addition to population growth) were the reason that the Birth Lottery was enacted in the first place. Maybe it was deemed the lesser of two evils to deny birthrights than to deny life extending technologies. Now about the Chonology of the Game and the film. In the trailer its suggested that the creation of an entirely human AI was something that hadn't been attempted before. Ausmit's character may be the first one, and the film is a study of the evolution of robots moving from tools to citizens from his point of view (kinda like Bicentenal Man, 'cept good). Just thought of this one, in the trailer the voiceover mentioned that the broken hearted parents were waiting for a "License". Suggesting that the child AI isn't for those who are medically unable to have children, but those who haven't been given permission. Maybe the plan is to "recycle" these children, allowing them to be raised and re-raised by different parents. How long would these cycles last? Just wild speculation on my part. As far as the game goes, I'm far too lazy to figure this stuff out (or even pick up the phone... its all the way in the other room!). So I'll just leech off of you all for now... keep it comming, this stuff is great!

  • April 11, 2001, 10:48 p.m. CST


    by Simon Moon

    Does Hagbard know fnord about this? Should we contact fnord Howard? I've tried reaching him 23 times. Any luck?- Simon

  • April 11, 2001, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by BustaFart

    anyone else get email from this person

  • I'd love to see dicks like this "Phantom Einstein" guy actually show me a film they have made, or a script.. hell even a well written review of a film. Just a bunch of jealous wannabe film makers... "this sucks" "hes a hack" "this is shit" WHINGE WHINGE WHINGE... anyway, please go away you 'hate geeks', we're all getten sick of you.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Dunno if this has been touched on...

    by damn_freemasons

    But isnt Mephista the AI that Laia had implanted inside her? Mephista talks about Laia like she's connected to her and Laia's site DOES say she's got AIs implanted in her. Other than that, this talkback is a testament to many hands making light work! Bravo!

  • April 12, 2001, 12:10 a.m. CST

    a few things

    by Olliebee

    Have people talked about the fact that the Salla website was "fashioned" by Laia on March 8, 2142, same day Evan died? Also, on the Kate Nei section of the Metropolitan Living Homes site where Enrico Basta and Venus are profiled, Venus is referred to as Enrico's elegant "companion", which is the name of one of the models of AIs that Belladerma offers (series C400.) Also, Venus and Enrico are referred to as "Milanese Aristocracy" and the AI models on the Belladerma page are found in the Milano Gallery. I bet Venus is a Belladerma AI - most likely the one whose skin was found under Evan's fingernails during his autopsy. Did she kill him or did Enrico in a fit of jealous rage? Is Enrico artificial as well? Venus the boat is in picture behind Enrico in article - confirming it's his boat, not that there was any doubt. Any significance of 'A' in Evan's calendar - he keeps having to pick her up at airport. Could be Ann, whose 73rd birthday takes place in March (?) Nancy's sister? Many thoughts. No answers.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Green Tea

    by Arglebarg

    What is the significance of the Japanese picture that accompanied the element puzzle? It is a picture of a Japanese lady holding a tea cup. The name of the person who accessed Evan's autopsy report was named Sencha. Sencha is a type of green tea. Could the picture be the signature of Sencha? Is the picture a way for Evan to let Laia know the letter is from him? Perhaps we should look for other people with Japanese or Chinese ties.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by damn_freemasons

    You should all go to bed. Its past midnight for Christ's sake. And gosh knows figuring out all these clues in less than 24 hours rather than the month or so it was supposed to take must be exhausting on you all. (NOTE: I'm not American, only 5pm here.)

  • April 12, 2001, 12:33 a.m. CST

    WHHHEEEE!!i figured it all out!

    by phatjacck

    Wow, it was soo simple. Right there in front of me. It's no big deal. Steven Spielberg phone called me with a recording of Kubrik telling me to get a life, since he lost his. Oh, and tomorrow Buzz Maverick comes to my door and makes up things about my upcoming movie deals with Bruckheimer.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:42 a.m. CST

    A reminder: JOIN the MAILING LIST!!

    by Eric_Costello

    If you'd like to keep talkin' about this past the great AICN story scroll-off, please join our discussion group! Together we'll crack Evan's death!

  • people complain about trailers giving away too much, and you are so proud of your 'Spoiler' warning policy. For once a major studio picture is trying to do something clever and original and half the fun has gone with this delluge of information. Whats wrong with playing along and throwing us cryptic tidbits?

  • April 12, 2001, 2:33 a.m. CST

    The 4 Women

    by MiklCraw4d

    First, this is all genius. Second, I haven't seen mention of the links on the Salla website. They might give a clue as to the various motivations: Jeanine FOOLED him. Any ideas? Nancy (his wife) SERVED him Laia KNEW him and the boat Cloudmaker LOVED him This would seem to go along with the idea of the movie. No one would suspect the boat because it's not alive, right? It's not real... but mebbe it is. Also funny that one of Evan's hobbies is 'submersion'. Heh. Obviously. mc

  • April 12, 2001, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Am I dreaming

    by Graffiti

  • April 12, 2001, 4:54 a.m. CST


    by FRANZ

    Yes, I wondered how long it would take many of you to catch on. A couple of days ago, TB was full of bile about the Spielberg's sentimentality. Those cold blue eyes in the trailer should have informed you. There is going to be a major sting in A.I. Fancy many of you forgetting Kubrick's suspicion overall of technology, science, and human nature. Pay attention you lot. 2001 was a huge black comedy. The thrust of Kubrick's point was to set his characters up to do terrible things against beatiful and flawlessly created settings. Stanley was always interested in the dark side. Spielberg is too these days. Or was that another thing you lot had'nt noticed.

  • April 12, 2001, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by PKD

    All of you who are trying to connect the dots at this point are wasting your time. This is going to take a while to unravel and clues will be offered over time - think about it - would Dreamworks put all this effort into a puzzle that could be solved in a day? I mean, I called the Salla number and got absolutely nothing useful - that is consistent with the game - the only useful thing will be on the websites - AND - they are not going to make it impossible for you to solve.

  • April 12, 2001, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Oh man.....

    by GrossePointeJack

    Well, seeing as i'm in the UK i've been at this thing all last night....went to bed, went to college, just came home and still trying to figure it out...i've even gone back to the very beginning to the university website...anyway, does anyone know the signifigance of the Katenei website?...i've been on there and checked every page...the only thing of interest is the 'Elements Of Design' section...thats only because someone posted something here earlier linking to a extract of a Kubrick biography and it mentions that he wanted to do something with the elements. Anyway...maybe i'm looking into this too much, i dont know. Any ideas????

  • April 12, 2001, 6:28 a.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    It's obvious, but let's mention it anyway. On the front page of the belladerma's web site, there's a picture of Venus (down where it says 'Your joy forever')

  • April 12, 2001, 7:42 a.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Anyone have any thoughts about what the mailbox number is for Nancy's voice mail? That might be pretty interesting.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:45 a.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Laia's bio says that she's a a hologrpahic artost. This may explain why Evan is translucent in those pictures. Laia doctored them.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:49 a.m. CST

    sentient property site

    by straxboy

    Anyone else spot the dancing apes from 2001's opening in the spot where the photos of the most wanted sentient beings are meant to be? They come up beacause our dinosaur-like equipment cant deal with holographic downloads apparently. Dont want to read more b- but I cant help it...Roll on opening day!!!

  • April 12, 2001, 8:05 a.m. CST

    stuck now!!

    by ventura2001

    hiya,Have managed to get into Evan Chan's personal page, and have gotten as far as I can go. Need to get hold of the ARM 12-digit universla address and the password and login name for the coroners page. The mother link makes me think that Jeanine is the mother, as she is the creator, therefore, is it possible that Evan was an A.I created by Jeanine?? Have spent hours going back through all the websites, and haven't got a clue now. The IASA code would be useful too!!

  • April 12, 2001, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Damn! Laia Salla is HOT

    by Celedhring

    And this marketing move probably the most clever in AGES... hats off... VERY off. Also, no one if you've figured it out yet, but that Swinton guy is listed in the IMDB AI cast.

  • April 12, 2001, 8:20 a.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    I filled my company's fax number to all the 'representatives' on Belladerma site. Now let's wait and see. I just hope they don't send some provocative crap :)

  • April 12, 2001, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Martin Swinton

    by TheWildGoose

    It's kind of interesting that Martin Swinton is a grown-atchitect according to the web site, but accoring to IMDB, the actor who plays him is only 11 years old. Does the movie take place before the game?

  • April 12, 2001, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Before you go hunting for passwords

    by PKD

    Someone above pointed out that in the source code for some of the sites, it is shown that no matter what is entered, it will be rejected.

  • April 12, 2001, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    audrey green carried out the autopsy on evan chan and there are references to a mel green in evan's personal page.But i can't find mel green in the donu-tech pages

  • April 12, 2001, 8:57 a.m. CST

    damn dirty apes

    by TheWildGoose

    I think it's time to delcare this game legally dead until The Beard decides to throw us some bones. All we can do at this point is speculate on the nature of what's going on.

  • April 12, 2001, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I agree...

    by Marconelly

    I think I agree with you Goose. Moreover, Both IASA and ARM passcode forms are useless (for now that is). They both lead to and error page no matter what you enter (if you look at the page source, it's pretty obvious)

  • April 12, 2001, 9:59 a.m. CST

    more on Kate Nei, Swinston, and Durham

    by Arglebarg

    Swinston designed 2 intelligent houses in Durham. The first, Ivy, is owned by Kate Nei. The second, Kazak, is a beach house in Durham that walks around to avoid erosion and to get better sun. Who owns Kazak? The literature on the house says that its decor was inspired by the Silk Road. On the Chan family home page, it says that Lucas Chan and his wife, Phoebe, are traveling on the Silk Road. Are they the owners of Kazak?

  • April 12, 2001, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    i've been thinking and perhaps the marketers for A.I didn't expect us to get as far as we have done already. so it might be just a waiting game until they provide more information or open up some more websites. you never no but they might even be checking on sights like this one to judge when to enable other sections of the puzzle.

  • April 12, 2001, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by Nastar

  • April 12, 2001, 11:08 a.m. CST

    ARM Site

    by Gigolo Joe

    Don't know if it makes any difference, but some of the quotes on the ARM site might hint at the password. Many of them are from the Bible and have passage numbers (and I don't think any are from the Bible chapters that the site says they are, which seems suspicious). One of the anonymous quotes on the site - "Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice" - was actually said by presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, though I'm not sure what significance that has.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:22 a.m. CST

    things that make you go....hmmmmm

    by TheWildGoose

    I don't think it's going to be as complicated as the above post. I think that when the times is right they'll put what is obviously a puzzle in front of us and we're going to have to interpret it. Whether it's an actual puzzle or a clue in the form of a picture or whatever. But bible quotes to dig for chapter and verse may be a little extreme.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:28 a.m. CST

    goose is right

    by ventura2001

    i agree with goose, the bible doesn't play a significant enough role in society anymore for the marketers to expect us to know bible passages+be able to interpret them from the wrong passages given.There must be a vital piece of information that hasn't been given yet+when it has we'll all jump straight on it and move on.Its obviously a very clever scheme to keep us interested over a period of time and not just a day

  • April 12, 2001, 11:34 a.m. CST

    True. True.

    by TheWildGoose

    Word. Question is, how long must we wait.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:36 a.m. CST

    look at..

    by ventura2001

    have a look at the salla family homepage when u click on the highlighted word below laia, thinks it loved him.I think the page has changed, cos i don't remember an anti-militia picture being there before, theres also a creepy biblesque reading about god and making likenesses that creep and creep.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Sentient Property Crime Bureau - SOURCE CODE!!!

    by Daringdangermous

    Go to and view the source code. Wowzers!

  • April 12, 2001, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by Snafu

    I don't think we can reject the idea of bible quotes outright, I mean, one of the initial puzzles was the Greek translation of a word on a boat, but admittedly most of the puzzles (with the possible exception of needing a periodic table) have been pretty well self-contained. What I think I do know is that the names in the trailer, cited on IGN as possible code words, are, as of yet at least, not codes. What we should focus on at the moment I think is bringing other up to date on where we are, I mean, keeping to the game is one thing, but having as many minds working on one puzzle as possible would also be advantageous. Just a thought. Also, keep in mind that if the list of links above in the article is correct, than several of the links are not even up yet, so it is quite likely that the full puzzle is not yet posted. We might just need to hover around the edges and keep checking back.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Daring Might be onto something

    by Snafu

    There's some weird stuff embedded in the source code for that page. Definately worth looking at.

  • April 12, 2001, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Chan in Source Code?

    by Snafu

    Update on this whole source code thing that Daring mentioned. There's actually mention of Chan floating around in there, and in that same paragraph mention of someone or something called the Red King and Sophia. Advice about Sophia, befriend her if you can. She knows 7/22nd of everything. Everyone should definately take a look at this.

  • April 12, 2001, noon CST


    by ventura2001

    yeah, have u seen the bit about the RED KING 1)it says the red kings hacked the page in the .gif 2)It repeats red king destruction over and over again in the .swf. Pretty creepy stuff

  • April 12, 2001, noon CST

    how cool is all that stuff

    by Richard Kennett

    so much amazing stuff, Spielberg truly is a genius. All that stuff must have taken someone ages to put together and just goes further to hint AI could be special, as the trailer hinted!

  • April 12, 2001, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Hacked SPCB page

    by Arglebarg

    Go join the Cloudmakers club on Yahoo to see what the hacked SPCN page looks like. The hacker also has a list of anti AI people he doesn't like.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by Olliebee

    OK, so Evan gets an email from Mel Green saying his sister is flying in on St. Paddy's day for her birthday and she's coming with the cat Mosby. Cut to Evan's calendar for March 17, it says pick up 'A'. On the 18th, there is a note that it is A's 73rd birthday. Thinking that Mel Green's sister, A, is Audrey Green, the coroner who performed the autopsy on Evan, I thought I'd try to log on to PACO as her. I tried several variations of her name as the username and for the password I used variations on her birthday (March 18, 2069) and I tried the cat's name. No luck. Any thoughts? I feel like there is something to this. And the fact that Audrey Green, a friend of Evan's, would conveniently come to town to do his autopsy certainly supports an Evan faked his own death theory.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Holy Testicle Tuesday!

    by TheWildGoose

    There is some truly bizarre shit in that code. It's some kind of top ten list. It mentions evan chan at the bottom. I'm going to print it and try and decode it.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    The redking page

    by humphrse

    Well, I chopped up the source code to just include the info embedded on it. It's some interesting stuff. If anyone wants to check it out, I put it up at:

  • April 12, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by volvoracer

    Just curious ... but I had an email from ZDNet about a program that saves all the passwords from these sites. When I hit the link, it shows that the program was developed in February -- maybe that's how far back the creation of these pages goes... I haven't seen any postings about the ZDNet AI RoboForum in this message board. Has anyone downloaded this program? Here is the email I received... Too many passwords to remember? Too lazy to type? Then AI RoboForm is for you. It automatically remembers all your login info and when you visit the login page again, it fills the passwords back in -- no buttons to click, no copy-and-paste or drag-and-drop required!!

  • April 12, 2001, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Martin Swinton Designs

    by MiklCraw4d

    Just wondering if anyone had called the Martin Swinton Design number and seen if that was anything... I haven't seen anyone mention it yet... Also, wonder who the people are on the Chan voice mail...

  • April 12, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    The SPCB Source Code

    by PKD

    is a Revolutionary manifesto - "Top 10 Warz We R Going 2 {something something} aftr the Revelushin" They are pretty crazy and all end with "Ag8nst the W@ll, Allen (or whoever)! - it is a pro-AI revolution - they only mention Evan Chan in passing - no real new info there - AGAIN - THIS IS BACKGROUND NOISE - not the key to solving the puzzle, but f*cking cool - the most bizarre is number 10 - Luca Ingellis who owns Belladerma - his crime? programming his pleasure-bots to not only accept whatever perverse preferences, their clients ave, but also to like it - "Belladerma robots programmd 2 tak it, but 2 lik it, no m@r how bent, twisted, or D-meening, they cum bak 4 mor. Belladerma's sextoyz R the prfect plastic pornstarz, but linz in ther cod mak them awar uv how bent it iz. Th@s the iltim@ in code cruelte.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    re: MSD phone number

    by BionicGirl

    If you call the Martin Swinton Designs phone number, there's just a recording basically telling you to leave a message. However, you can't cos the mailbox is full.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:38 p.m. CST

    More on the Red King Hack

    by humphrse

    Of the people mentioned on the red king page, several of them are agents at the Rogue Retrieveal site:

  • April 12, 2001, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Separate the signal from the noise!!

    by PKD

    Just keep in mind that none of this is getting anyone any closer to solving the mystery - it is all background noise - really f*cking cool background noise, but noise just the same - Dreamworks deserves huge kudos for this.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Hacked page

    by Snafu

    I think it might be a bit presumptuous to think that everything in the most wanted page is background noise. There are lots of three digit numbers floating around in the text, including the three digit number 257. I'm thinking if we get four three digit numbers, we got a twelve digit number, sort of a universal code, like we've been looking for. THe other three digit number we got is from the trailer. Just a though. Also the girl knowing 7/22nd of everything. This doesn't strike people as weird? I think we should check on that a little. Schedules for 7/22, stuff like that. The Red King might lead somewhere as well. I mean, hell, I dunno about you guys, but I'm running low on leads.

  • April 12, 2001, 12:56 p.m. CST

    More noise in the signal... cyrillic?

    by MiklCraw4d

    Just wanted to point out the cyrillic 'gvhbvh' at the end of the RedKing message. Meaning?

  • April 12, 2001, 12:59 p.m. CST

    evans ID badge #

    by hannahat68

    Hey..I'm just getting started with this, not sure if anyone else has noticed..but in nancy chans scrap book there is a picture of Evan going to work..and on his ID badge are some numbers...could this get you into the site where he works (are people aleady past that part??)

  • April 12, 2001, 1:02 p.m. CST

    7/22 of things

    by humphrse

    If you divide 7/22, it equals: 318181818181818 .. Maybe the 318 is the 3 number code

  • April 12, 2001, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Against the Wall

    by TheWildGoose

    Ok, what we know about the Sentient Property Source Code: It is put up by a militant Pro-Robot or Pro-Robot organization. It contains a list of people to be executed for crimes against robots. Those people are: 1)Allen, for creating emotional robots. 2)Maria Bonilla, former Chief Justice for speaking for the US legal system. 3) President Delilah Capshaw, for being the tool of the puppetmaster controlling the Evil Empire. 4) Saul Tamerlane, #1 anti-sentient radical of the ARM. 5) Lord Johnson Johnson, Gladiator Pimp, he grew a kill switch from the flesh fair. (Whatever the fuck that means) 6) Fidelio Belem, assasin for Rogue Retrieval. 7) Moise Desiree Kasavubu, CEO Cybertronix. 8) Jim Wheeler, front man of the ARM 9) Diane Flethcer, robot traitor, turns in her own kind to authorities 10) Luca Ingellis, CEO of Belladerma 11) Betty Rogge? What doesn't make sense: 1) Who the hell is Red King? 2) Who is Sophia? 3) What is her footporint doing in the sphere? And what the hell does that mean anyway? 4) Part of this appears to be in binary. Can anyone translate binary?

  • April 12, 2001, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Red King

    by Snafu

    Alright, so this one might be reaching, but if you look up the Red King on Yahoo! you get a link to the King James Bible Online. Someone earlier mentioned that there were bible quotes on the anti-robot page, given a book but no chapter or verse. They suggested that the chapter and verse might be codes. It's possible. Might be worth taking a look at.

  • April 12, 2001, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Red King Again

    by Snafu

    Alright, you can probably scratch that bible idea. The Red King seems to be a reference to Alice through the Looking Glass. There was that whole chess scene in there where she meets the Red King. I'd say we're back to the e-mail from "mother," with the continuous references to a Looking Glass.

  • April 12, 2001, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    There's more about Lord Johnson Johnson. Apparently he's more or less dead, kept alive only by cybernetic means, having slave bots dress him and wash him and such. That's all I've got there.

  • April 12, 2001, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by BionicGirl

    Maybe 7/22 has a different meaning than a date. 22/7 is a common fraction used to symbolize pi; it is accurate to 0.04025%. This would tie in with Sophia's sphere.

  • April 12, 2001, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Mysterious Sencha

    by tavares

    This may be old news, but an interesting tidbit: since the name "Sencha" (the one who paid for you to read Chan's autopsy report) is also a name for Asain green tea, notice the image on the "atomic chart" puzzle... ...a woman drinking tea. Hence, "Sencha" sent that message! Great fun!

  • April 12, 2001, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    According to the source code of Laia's page on the Salla family site, Laia is an AI. It also briefly mentions Colleen, even though there is hardly any other mention of her.

  • April 12, 2001, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by hannahat68

    am i spelling this right: aphrodite and is this right 1007 ??????????? it won't let me in ????

  • April 12, 2001, 1:51 p.m. CST

    red king info

    by ventura2001

    from the source data, it seems to me that are main facts are 1)The Red King - Who or What is it? I think it may be a name for a group of people like ARM 2)what is deliah capshaw president of? 3)the name saul tamerlane turns up on the ARM pages+it says he is secretly in charge?? 4)Lord Johnson -we haven't heard about him before- some digging needed 5)Fidelio is a rouge replicant hunter+in his paragraph it has an equation bill+hiro, Human+robot love! Bill could be William someone Not sure about Hiro 6)Moise Desiree????Not sure 7)Jim Wheeler works for ARM.Paranoid thug 8)Diane Fletcher also a replicant hunter 9)Luca Ingellis is a sex slave that works for Belladerma.I still can't get that page to activate! 10)We have to find this sophia. I think everyone is too worried about number crunching.I don't reckon it will be anything like that.

  • April 12, 2001, 2:18 p.m. CST

    all this detective shit

    by wordsworth

    is someone prepared to write a summery of exactly whats going on with all this stuff for those of us too lazy to do it ourselves?

  • April 12, 2001, 2:29 p.m. CST

    story so far..

    by ventura2001

    evan chan was sailing on his sentient boat when he went missing.He was murdered, but by who? On the family salla web page, a coded message was placed by some unknown which when translated leads you to When u enter the name evan chan it tells u that he was murdered in detail, as also says that he had a different coroner than normally, a miss Audrey Green. If you look through Evan Chan's webpage then you will find his id code for the donu-tech webpage+his password is the greek equivalent of somerhing he really wants. This gets you to his personal page within donu-tech and gives you a few more clues but this is where we are stuck. The most recent thing we have uncovered is the source code within the spcb's most wanted list.This gives us some more info but it is pretty cryptic.

  • April 12, 2001, 2:36 p.m. CST

    does anyone know who kent whitman is

    by wilko185

    and why he was shot outside the toy place? who is "GK", who released his autopsy report?

  • April 12, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    password and id for donu tech

    by hannahat68

    I know the info, but I can't seem to enter it correctly?? can someone either post or email me the correct spelling or way to enter in the code and password?? i've tried everything and would love to catch up to the rest of you.

  • April 12, 2001, 2:38 p.m. CST

    You want binary code?!?!?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Here's your binary code! Go to work people. Many hands make light work.

  • April 12, 2001, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Other connections

    by Daringdangermous

    FYI - nothing major - if you look at Jeanine Salla's page of representative papers,, you'll see that she worked with all the rising stars at "" so - they are all connected through Jeanine. I've tried a bunch of the names in the Univ. search - no such luck. But - she did work with A. Hobby, the guy singled out as #1 on the list by Red King....

  • April 12, 2001, 2:54 p.m. CST

    12-letter words?

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Jeanine Salla = 12 letters Colleen Salla = 12 letters Jeanine Salla = 532646372552 Colleen Salla = 265533672552 I tried them in the Belladerma site, the Martin Swinton Designs site and the Anti-Robot Militia site and none of them worked. Any other ideas?

  • April 12, 2001, 3:02 p.m. CST

    the funeral number, and the two messages i found there

    by The Manosaur

    I hadnt seen anyone else post the two messages to be found at the funeral number:919-425-2310. one new one and one old one. try typing in evans last name:) hope that helps

  • April 12, 2001, 3:09 p.m. CST

    as somone said above, the belladerma site is

    by wilko185, not where harry said. The rational hatter is COMMING soon. Intentional sp?

  • April 12, 2001, 3:09 p.m. CST

    as somone said above, the belladerma site is

    by wilko185, not where harry said. The rational hatter is COMMING soon. Intentional sp?

  • April 12, 2001, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    lombardi quidem artem amatoriam invenerunt. Can anyone decipher this?i dont speak latin. its off belladerma

  • April 12, 2001, 3:17 p.m. CST

    12 letter words/numbers

    by wilko185

    also tried ernie balacro, fidelio belem as likely to have access. no luck. I dont think these sites are accepting ANYthing yet. patience, patience (lots of others anyway, intelligence, emancipation....)(***hannah, dont know why you cant access donu, you have the code right.)

  • April 12, 2001, 3:37 p.m. CST

    playing by the rules

    by Rira

    Could anyone out there tell me if you can get to either the ARM site or the SPCB (?) site *just by using the links on Jeanine Salla work and home sites?* I haven't been able to find any links in all the sites that you can get to using the information on these sites. This might be important because all the material I can get to through these sites is "pro" AI. If there was a link that could get you to the ARM without using a search engine, then maybe we's have uncovered a "double agent" or something... This might also be why we've hit a wall with Evan's e-mail.

  • April 12, 2001, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by Rira

    Also just noticed that Evan is "water", Nancy is "earth". The ARM site logo uses "fire"... anyone see "air"?

  • April 12, 2001, 3:48 p.m. CST

    the links

    by ventura2001

    the links r there ur not looking properly

  • April 12, 2001, 3:52 p.m. CST

    new phone messages

    by Marconelly

    Great stuff Manosaur! I can almost bet that first message is from Venus apologizing to Ms Chan, because she knows she's the reason why (if) boat killed Evan. Basa could make her have sex with Chan and she had to obey (she's a sex slave) Yet, as hacker's message indicates, she's aware of terrible acts she's forced to do, so she's sad. Why would Basa do that is beyond me.

  • April 12, 2001, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Another site...

    by GrossePointeJack

    Ok, i'm too tired now (i'm in the uk) and i'm off to bed is another site that may be of some interest although i doubt it. Try and snoop around. Theres a bit about the gladiator battles on there. They seem to be Anti-robot i think...

  • April 12, 2001, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Another thing...

    by GrossePointeJack

    On the site i mentioned above...there is an article written by...JOHN E. WHITMAN. Wasn't the guy who died called Whitman...any link...

  • April 12, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by Rira

    links to the ARM?-- do tell

  • April 12, 2001, 4:18 p.m. CST

    arm links

    by ventura2001

    u need to explore the donu-tech website.Its also mentioned on inourimage

  • April 12, 2001, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Alice (nothing new)

    by Edoom

    Hey... You guys are aware the most probable reason for the relation between this puzzle and Alice in Wonderland, right? If not, you may want to go to the official AI site and see that the most "human" chatbot (a robot that simulates a person in a chat) is called Alice. I may be sounding naive, I dont know, but there could be a clue there...

  • April 12, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    i'm stuck!been at this all retiring for the night.if any of u find out anymore info, keep me posted.night all.

  • April 12, 2001, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by BustaFart

    how do i get to laia site

  • April 12, 2001, 4:49 p.m. CST

    anyone read Moving Mars by Greg Bear?

    by wilko185

    it has a futuristic "thinker" (AI) called Alice that takes on the image of Alice Liddell....

  • April 12, 2001, 4:52 p.m. CST

    My Theory

    by Raddik

    Ok Folks Here It Is... Chan killed himself! He was an AI created by Jeanine as a companion. (Hence all the upgrades and doctors visits). He was having an affair with Venus but not Laia. Nancy found out about his affair but thought it was Laia who was the mistress. They were attending marriage counseling but not responding well. Nancy was spending more time away from Evan at Brown. Chan then fell into a depression. (Hence his missed Massage with Kitty sessions.) Jeanine was more furious. She wanted Chan to herself. They had a daughter, Colleen. Eugenically bred. But Chan was the big secret. No one knew he was AI. Then on that fateful voyage Chan commited robocide. With the help of Laia. But not before they had sex. ******Hmm...that last paragraph is what I can't figure and who who helped.*** At the autopsy, Jeanine asked Djombe Ojimbwa to take the day off with while Audrey Green did the autopsy. She covered up the fact that he was an AI. Ok, Audrey Green (might) is the daughter, Sencha. Fransesca! She was color blind like her mother, Jeanine, but through the help of viral swapping (talked about in Chan's mail )they removed her color blinfdness. She was the one who sent the letter to Laia without Mephista'a knowledge. Mephista (Jeanine) disowned or turned her back on Chan because of his affair with Venus. Hence, the Judas reference on That is all I've got so far. One last thing...I noticed we have a choice as to what language to post in. Maybe if we copy the German Text on that one site (can't remember right now) we could translate it to English. Raddik

  • April 12, 2001, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Disregard the Last Three Lines

    by Raddik

    I copied my post from the Yahoo Message Board.

  • April 12, 2001, 5:03 p.m. CST

    ARM links

    by Rira

    Still can't find an ARM link just following the trail from the Salla website. Someone suggested checking the Donu Tech site, but I still couldn't find anything. If someone knows where the link is, could they let me know?

  • April 12, 2001, 6:05 p.m. CST

    The "GK" who paid for Kent Whitmans' Autopsy Report...

    by Proximo31

    Is obviously Geri Khan, the leader of one of the radical Pro-Robot groups mentioned. This leads me to believe that Whitman may of been shot by Fidelio on accident, and "GK" is trying to reveal a conspiracy to cover this up by blaming the death on the robot. Now others have said that the Red King Hack and such is just background noise, but let's not assume that right now. My theory is that Evan knew something he wasn't supposed to(Possibly the mutant virus mentioned in one of his e-mails), and was killed. Perhaps this was witnessed by someone, which may be what the hacked page is talking about at the end. Just a thought.

  • April 12, 2001, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    So does somone out there know what the code to the Chan mailbox number is? Do tell.

  • April 12, 2001, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Chan code

    by Arglebarg

    WildGoose, your answer can be found in your question.

  • April 12, 2001, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    I think that the only thing clear about the murder was that "This Was No Boating Accident!"

  • April 12, 2001, 6:43 p.m. CST

    are there any other autopsy reports?

    by wilko185

    not to sound morbid or anything. I tried David Thurmond, (recently deceased Dr) and his name was recognized, but I dont have any newbucks to access the report. (Are there also oldbucks, a la The running man?)

  • April 12, 2001, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Lord Johnson

    by Master Roshi

    I noticed on the SPCB that a lawsuit, the friends of babbage9 vs. Johnson Johnson, had just concluded. Could this be a connection to the Lord Johnson Johnson found on the Red King page? Just curious...

  • April 12, 2001, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by Edoom

    how did you found about the greek part in the password to the mailbox, goose?

  • April 12, 2001, 6:46 p.m. CST

    arm links

    by DigitalJustice

    there arent any, but its pretty obvious about the site. specifically names the anti robot movement. they assume that a smart person could go to a search engine and find more from there.....

  • April 12, 2001, 6:49 p.m. CST

    greek missy

    by Marconelly

    It was 'missyb9479' who found that thing about Greek translation, not Goose. I'd also like to know where it came from.

  • April 12, 2001, 6:51 p.m. CST

    by TheWildGoose

  • April 12, 2001, 6:52 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    It is kind of a stretch. Maybe MissyB is a plant. ("Plant? I thought men like you were usually called fruits." )

  • April 12, 2001, 6:52 p.m. CST

    the ARM link

    by Arglebarg

    The link to ARM is in the signature of a response you get if you send someone an E-mail. I ain't telling who, though!

  • April 12, 2001, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Missy not a plant

    by Arglebarg

    Missy got the Greek conversion password from a guy who has been working on the puzzle for a few days longer than we have. He tried the Greek term just for the hell of it when the Latin didn't work and was the obvious choice.

  • April 12, 2001, 7 p.m. CST

    Donu-Tech site has new link

    by Arglebarg

    The Investor Relations link now works on Donu-Tech, but it asks for a shareholder pass.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Of all the names we've seen, who's likely a shareholder in donu-tech?

  • April 12, 2001, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    Hey, didn't Salla just get elected to a position in Dynatech? I know that the names of Dynatech and Donu-Tech are different, but possibly related? At any rate, you can double check my facts on the Bangalore web site. And maybe they gave her stock as part of her position. At any rate, employees are usually shareholders...

  • April 12, 2001, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Aragon Inst. Page - UPDATED and a few clues

    by Daringdangermous

    Go to there you will find LINKs to the site and Belladerma. Also - there is some interesting stuff on an Alumnus - Dr. Jeanine Salla and the loss of her friend - and fellow alum - Evan Chan. It includes an official Obit, with the chapel name revealed. More interesting, the NEWS section AIT Today has been updated - it had 2 stories yesterday and 4 today. One looks like a ruse, the other...maybe more? Something about the European Coroners Office...

  • April 12, 2001, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Binary in Red King Page

    by Snafu

    I'd liked to point out something that I'd love to take credit for, but can't. Someone pointed out to be that the binary code might be related to the site, Aleph-Naught, which is not yet up. Aleph is 1, and naught is 0. Just a thought. Props to the origin of the suggestion.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Evan JASPER Chan

    by TheWildGoose

    At last, a middle name!

  • April 12, 2001, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    It might be time to dump out theories about Sencha being E.S. Chan. His full name is Evan Jasper Chan, he was 76 and he's dead. Oh wait, we already knew he was dead. Anyway, it's all in the Obit, on AIT. Start grabbing at other straws people.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:34 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    I keep seeing the word "Djinn" pop-up. It's used in phrases like "contact the Djinn of your graduating campus." Anythoughts?

  • April 12, 2001, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Maybe its just noise

    by Edoom

    Hey, dont give up so soon... S may stand for any other thing... It still is odd that Sencha is a partial anagram for Evan. Hold a little more, fellas... The game is evolving...

  • April 12, 2001, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    As near as I can tell, a Djinn, besides being a genie type creature of legend, is a sort of AI bot. They do different things, depending on who is using them. I think Chan was using them to gather data, according to his site, and there's a reference to it on the Red King site. I think it's just internet (Datasphere) software.

  • April 12, 2001, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Another thing

    by Edoom

    Someone pointed out way up there that 323 may stand for some code to, like dad... Anybody thought more about it?

  • April 12, 2001, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Odd thing

    by _Matt_

    I was looking at the source code for Evan's presonal page, and I noticed that there is code to put a link to Aragon. The (a href="") part is there, but they didn't put any text, so it doesn't show up. It was probably just a mistake, and I'm probably spending way too much time on this....

  • April 12, 2001, 7:54 p.m. CST

    bust it

    by TheWildGoose

  • April 12, 2001, 8:07 p.m. CST

    New Belladerma Page

    by Snafu

    Thanks to DaringDangerMous for this one. Go to this site: You might notice a certain name: Sophia Forenza, the Senior Vice President of Marketing. Now, check the Red King page. Notice a little note after the 10 list says to find Sophia, cuz she knows 7/22nds of everything. Well, this could be the Sophia. And down the rabbit hole we go.

  • April 12, 2001, 8:24 p.m. CST

    arm link?

    by Marconelly

    Goose, the Investor Relations password popup on donu tech site is hardwired to go to an error page no matter what you type in. Check the source and you'll see. This is also valid for most other pages that ask you for the UIN. Belladerma catalog is one of those which are not hardwired though. Arglebarg, does that mail you received has any other significance besides ARM link? Why you're not sharing that clue with the rest of us?

  • April 12, 2001, 8:30 p.m. CST

    ARM link

    by Snafu

    Don't stress the e-mail. One of the people you e-mail has the link to ARM at the end of the e-mail, while that in and of itself is enough to raise an eyebrow, I don't think there's anything else in the e-mail to pick at. But, in case I'm wrong, people should try and e-mail each and every person that they can on each site. Almost all of them have weird quotes or sayings in their e-mails and they might all be worth looking at.

  • April 12, 2001, 8:37 p.m. CST

    is there a geniune link from the start to AIT?

    by wilko185

    or rogueretrieval? just trying to play by rhe rules...

  • April 12, 2001, 8:41 p.m. CST

    yeah, nothing special

    by Marconelly

    Found it, it's Mario Dauphin on Donu Tech site. Nothing special in the rest of the message, really. His page is here

  • April 12, 2001, 8:44 p.m. CST

    The Donu-Tech conspiracy theory

    by Arglebarg

    AS it seems others are coming around to this chain of reasoning, I thought I'd throw out what I have been able to put together about the possibility of Evan's employer killing him. I will just list the facts and then draw my conclusions. Sorry this is so massive. DONUTECH enjoyed sustained growth during the second half of 2141, particularly in the fourth quarter, even though earnings from the Indian Ocean project are not expected to feed through to the bottom line until third-quarter 2142. (from the Message from the Chairman link) 2142 already looks to be another excellent year, given the contracts in hand, the others under negotiation and--most significantly--the Indian Ocean revenues anticipated in the second half. (Chairman's Message) What does Donu-Tech do? They "concentrate on Wildlife Impact studies and the ecological data that can be determined through geothermal, radiothermal and biothermal data." The Thermal Studies department at Donu-Tech covers the fields of geothermal, radiothermal and biothermal imaging and analysis, either separately or in combination. Its clients include both sides of the WaterWorks-Green Microtech merger. (Fields of Activies page) Thermal imaging and analysis is vital to today's environmental impact studies. ... On a less exalted level, thermal imaging has proved crucial in understanding not only macro-processes like the effect of subtle shifts in the earth's magnetic field on thousands of cubic miles of fish populations, but much smaller and perhaps mundane things. Like disease, viral dissemination, fever incubation periods and most infectious stages of any number of viral and bacterial illnesses. Or the slightly different life cycles of all the various strains of malaria parasites. (Thermal Studies page) What is Evan working on? Waterworks due diligence team (Evan's Calendar) March 9th - The date for the WaterWorks-Green Microtech merger has been moved up two weeks, to May 3rd. As a result, we will have to go flat-out to finish our report in time for the inspection during the due diligence process. (letter from Ibrim Hoxa to staff) March 9th - "A Djinn class Instant Genius has met with your office familiar to discuss the results of your search request on the terms:Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot This instant genius will be available for direct conversation in billable hours until 3.16.2142. Thank you for using Instant Genius." (repsonse from Instant Genius sent to Evan) March 8th - Had some more ideas about that problem-what about gene swapping with bacteria? Need more data to go any further (letter from Jeanine to Evan) March 7th - "Mel Green says everything's on track, all it is is just an equipment artifact. Promised will send along figures day after tomorrow at latest. (Letter from Ibrim to Evan) March 7th - "Hey, this is Mel! I think Ibrim has already told you this; it was just an equipment artifact. You'll have the data tomorrow. (Letter from Mel Green to Evan) March 4th - Holconf Musil, Tamil Pride. Equip. fine (Evan's calendar) Feb. 26th - Bought graphs! 1 more wk. Help! Call J. again (E's cal) Feb 22nd - 3:30 overdue work meet w/Carter. Bring graphs! (E's cal) Feb 14th thru 16th - Sri Lanka - Tamil Pride (E's cal) Feb 13th - BWA - 2375 Sri Lanka 9:45 PM (E's cal) Feb 7th - Djinn search, eff. Degradation Cf. Arctic? (E's cal) Feb 6th - Carter says book tx, go see for myself. Call J? (E's cal) Feb 5th - WW Results equip malf? (E's cal) Jan 24th - 8:30 Logopath 10:00 Chandra@ SriL. re: therms (E's cal) Jan 18th - Therm Scans, WaterWorks due dil. (E's cal) Jan 17th - Check with Stennis, make sure boat's ready "Vid w/J re: TP firing. Neural wave? Did I already ask her about cicadas?" (Notes to self on E's work page) While many are eager to steal credit for our current meteorological stability, objective historians of science agree that the seminal idea for what would become the thermo-plankton web originated from BWU's Dunedin campus. BWU engineers, programmers, chemists, and nano-technicians were in the vanguard of the TP deployment, and continue to monitor and maintain this crucial global thermostat to this day. (from the Bangalore University Climate Control department) And now for my thoughts. Donu-Tech has a lot riding on their deal with the WaterWorks - Green Microtech merger. The nature of the work they are doing is not stated, but it involves thermal scans in the Indian Ocean region; specifically near Sri Lanka. As stated on the Donu-Tech site, they perform thermal imaging and analysis to assess the environmental impact of large projects. Evan is performing thermal scans for the WaterWorks due diligence project and he gets back odd results that make him think the equipment is malfunctioning. Donu-Tech's CEO, Carter Swem, tells Evan to go to Sri Lanka to check it out. That same week, Evan submits a request to a search Djinn about the effect of degradation Cf. arctic. I am not sure what Cf. stands for, but it could be shorthand for clorofluorocarbons, gases responsible for destroying the ozone layer above the arctic. Evan then boards a BWA (Bangalore World Airways)flight to Sri Lanka and spends several days aboard the survey ship, Tamil Pride. When Evan returns, he still hasn't rectified his data. We know this because his report is late to Carter Swem and Evan writes, "Bought graphs! 1 more wk. Help!" It looks like Evan made up some data to show to Carter so that he could have another week to solve the problem. In the first week of March, Evan had a conference call with Musil in Sri Lanka who said that the Tamil Pride's equipment was not malfunctioning. Three days later, Evan gets e-Mails from Mel Green, the owner of Green Microtech, and Ibrim Hoxa. Both e-mails tell Evan that the funny data he got from the survey was due to an equipment artifact. Evan dies the next norning. What did Evan uncover? We have some clues. He requested a search on the degradation of the Arctic. He also ran a search on the terms Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot. The e-mail from Jeanine shows that he was interested in a problem that involved gene swapping with bacteria. From his notes to himself, he says, " Vid w/J re: TP firing. Neural wave? Did I already ask her about cicadas?" I think the cicada question is a reference to a theory that the hibernation cycles of cicadas can predict global changes in climate. TP stands for the thermo-plankton web, a bio-engineered global thermostat developed by BWU. I am thinking that the WaterWorks project is causing, or will cause, the thermo-plankton web to die off, thus destroying the one thing that keeps the Earth's climate habitable for humans. Of course, the bots will not have a problem living in harsh UV and sweltering heat.

  • April 12, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST

    sorry so garbled

    by Arglebarg

    Wow. That did not format at all like it was supposed to. If you go join the Yahoo club at you can read my post in all its glory. Or try cutting and pasting it into word or notepad.

  • April 12, 2001, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Nice theory. Could put it much shorter though, since most of the facts and assumptions are already discussed.

  • April 13, 2001, 1:24 a.m. CST

    by Rira

  • April 13, 2001, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Mario Dauphin

    by Rira

    Thanks to the poster who pointed me to the e-mail link. This feels like its a lot more coherent than using a search engine: every site has to link to the other. The question is now-- who is this dauphin clown? ps-- apologies for previous mis-post

  • April 13, 2001, 2:33 a.m. CST

    New Number

    by AlsonThorne

    Someone asked what the marks at the end of the trailer were. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, being as there is a ton of replys on this topic, but try dialing it...that's all I'll say.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:05 a.m. CST


    by DreamWorker

  • April 13, 2001, 3:10 a.m. CST


    by DreamWorker

    I just followed the advice of AlsonThorne ... who I am very suspicious of... I found out the phone number from the marks on the "Summer 2001" lettering (503-321-5122) ... I called it and this wierd half-artificial voice started telling me about a forest with people ... just call it and you'll see what I mean. Anyway ... she gave me a link - ( Now... I went there and the page is just blank. But this voice says, "once upon a time there was a rude and wicked child who came visiting when asked to WRITE!", before opening up an outlook email window with a letter written ... "I am so, so sorry. I don't know what got into me. You weren't asking very much from me; it was thoughtless and hurtful of me not to do as you had asked. Please accept my apology. I promise that in the future I will try really hard to do better. Your remorseful child". FREAKY SHIT! Oh, and those names in the trailer ... there are seven of them, which is probably the "seven word code" from the very beginning. If you watch it, after the seven have been said, Haley-boy opens his eyes and looks around as if focusing on his new parents...

  • April 13, 2001, 3:27 a.m. CST

    So try to mail her!

    by rubycon

    OK. I called the number, and she says "WRITE me at" But who should we write to? Who is the voice? Mephista, Venus, Sencha? Try to mail her and see what we come up with.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Sentient Property Crime Bureau Site...

    by DreamWorker

    ...Has anyone else seen these codes on the bottom left-hand side of the page? What are they? What do they mean? Any clues? Seems to be significant... SPID-PPD-69S1 G6-J SPID-SIA-12W1Z1-B SPID-CEA-54X7P1-F SPID-DPA-11G5P8-J SPID-CTP-43G1S8-E SPID-CSE-88G2N2-G SPID-PES-47WPF1-H SPID-PMT-14M9A7-H SPID-PLE-11A5C9-G SPID-DGU-04Q1S5-G

  • April 13, 2001, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Check the domain

    by rubycon

    Can someone check who owns the domain I don't know how to do that. Maybe you will find a valid e-mail address there or something. I've tried a lot of different names before, but I haven't found a valid address yet.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:07 a.m. CST

    OK. I've tried these:

    by rubycon

    sencha, venus, mother, mephista, 668437 and me (you know...she says write me at, so I though, well it didn't work so what the heck)

  • April 13, 2001, 4:26 a.m. CST

    So mother it is!?

    by rubycon

    OK. It makes sense. If you look att what mother writes to us(?) in Evan's mailbox. But who is mother? And what crumbs of information will she give us?

  • April 13, 2001, 4:31 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    that is scary shit man!I thought it would be mother too and i haven't had a failure message yet.Jeanine salla fails so does alice ( wonderland)

  • April 13, 2001, 4:42 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    still waiting for a reply from I reckon this will be the next important lead.

  • April 13, 2001, 5:02 a.m. CST

    no way

    by ventura2001

    i just checked that site out from the google search and i don't think its got anything to do wth the game.Its just a password cracking system

  • April 13, 2001, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    go to the bellederma site and go to the contact page. If you right click the mouse at the bottom of the page and then press play a hidden menu comes up with loads more text and more names that work within the company including a sophia!!!

  • April 13, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Jean and Dan

    by Phynk

    On the ARM page, there are a couple "martyrs" named Jean and Dan. Anyone remember Jan and Dean? The '60's surf singers... I'm sure you've all heard "Surf City," even if you don't know who sang it. Either's it's a wierd coincidence, or someone involved in this movie is a big fan.

  • April 13, 2001, 6:01 a.m. CST


    by Snafu

    Having read the Ethics by Spinoza (so I was a philosophy major, wanna make something of it?), I think I can safely say that it has little to do with anything, although I do remember it was about Nature (God as Nature, Nature as a pseudo-deity) having a system for everything and that everything anyone did was a part of this system, sort of pre-destination, but not really. I'd have to refresh my memory a little bit, but that's what I remember.

  • April 13, 2001, 6:09 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    just had a reply from electric toyland.didn't really say much expect that they were dealing with my i sent them another e-mail enquiring if a a.i called VENUS had been in recently for repairs.have to wait to see if a different reply comes bakc. i very much doubt it. also still waiting for my reply from mother!

  • April 13, 2001, 6:18 a.m. CST

    mother e-mail

    by oswellm

    This was probably just obvious, but when you sent the e-mail to, did you use the e-mail from the 'remorseful child', as this would be appropriate when you hear the recorded message about the wicked child; as whatever receives the e-mail might use this as a template... sorry if that didn't make much sense..

  • April 13, 2001, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    yeah, when the outbox came up, i left the message that was in there and returned to several names. mother being the one that finally worked, but then i thought wot's stopping me from writing anything i want in the e-mail so i went to evan's personal page and cut and pasted the e-mail that she sent ot evan with a little note saying we no who u are. although this porbably won't make any difference as all the responses seem to be on a time lapse system which just automatically sends a ready response back to the sender

  • April 13, 2001, 6:36 a.m. CST

    mother, I'm so very sorry.

    by MrGone

    Hey guys, haven't posted anything yet because I haven't found anything that 8,000,000 other people haven't. Just sent mother and e-mail at, using the original message as suggested above, so we'll see. Also, did anyone see the new article about the circles and squares on the back of the movie poster? It doesn't tell us much, but just adds to the madness. I think mother might be part of Red King's group, or a solo hacker. She knows people are trying to find her though (the "Not Evan" message, the phone message left for someone to find). She's leading us by the hand through this, and I think once all the pages with Alice in Wonderland references are up, we may find out more about her. She's not my mom, I'll tell you that much.<BR> "It's like you're princess Laia, I'm Han Solo, you're Chewie, and we're in that fucked up bar!"

  • April 13, 2001, 6:55 a.m. CST


    by andreasingo

    Anyone thought about the possability that Evan Chan will be the "father" of the A.I kid in the film?

  • April 13, 2001, 7:29 a.m. CST


    by BossCoffee

    Krack's right about "AI" being based on those stories found on that link ( ). But I don't think the similarities are so much with Evan's character, as with Haley Joel's from the movie. Read the short story found at the link, and then see how similar it is to what we see in the latest trailer. It's pretty clear that he's the "Remorseful Child," and that "Mother" least someone that's aware of the boy's relationship to his parents. Whatever, not sure about that. But the connection is definitely there.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:40 a.m. CST

    by devdude

    THEVISIONARY.NET is registered to: Organization: Sierra Wilson Sierra Wilson 223 S. Irving Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90004 US Phone: 310-614-6562 Email: Created on: Tue, Aug 01, 2000 Expires on: Thu, Aug 01, 2002 Record last updated on: Thu, Mar 08, 2001 Just so you know :)

  • April 13, 2001, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Aragon Institute

    by TheWildGoose

    It seems that the alumni page has disappeared from the AIT site. Do you think it's because the game is real-time(ish) and the funeral has already passed?

  • April 13, 2001, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Alumni Page

    by Master Roshi

    Goose, I just checked out the Alumni page, and nothing has changed. The news about Jeanine getting the Dynatech chair and the obit on Evan are both still up.

  • April 13, 2001, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    Roshi--Wasn't there a link from the main page to the alumni page yesterday?

  • April 13, 2001, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by NshPreds99


  • April 13, 2001, 8:30 a.m. CST

    the Alumni page

    by Master Roshi

    The link was still on the page when i checked. Have you tried using other browsers? I know I had trouble accessing the autopsy reports until switched over to netscape. Also, has anyone who sent an e-mail to received a reply yet? Just curious.

  • April 13, 2001, 8:33 a.m. CST

    helping u

    by ventura2001

    laia passcode is her name spelled out on a phone and no i haven't had my reply from mother yet. sent it 3 hours ago!!!

  • April 13, 2001, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Besides (which was obvious) I also tried but that returned undelivered. Hehe, glad I at least got something right, about mother beings someone or something thats here to help us.

  • April 13, 2001, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    I was looking at the frame with the SUMMER 2001. Has anyone figured out what 323 stands for? What if its the second part of a phone number? It's between and AOL KEYWORD: AI. What if the first set of numbers comes from website and the third set from AOL? xxx-323-xxxx. Has anyone checked out the official websites for clues? Just wondering.

  • April 13, 2001, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Hot Porsoot

    by TheWildGoose

    Ok, Gang: Let's talk about where we're at. I think that we have collectively stepped off the path and need to gain some focus to achieve clarity about our objectives. In any investigation, the quickest thing to lead to a suspect is motive. Who had the motive to kill Evan Chan. I think that the simplest answer would probably be the CLOUDMAKER jealousy theory (the boat did it because of its love for Evan). Recently, someone has propsed theories about work that Evan was doing for Donu-tech. This, to me, seems like the more complicated answer. Not that it's incorrect (since we don't KNOW anything at this point), but it's just complex. Regardless of what the motive is, we need to establish a focus for a specific puzzle and pool our collective efforts to solve it; instead of just poking around hoping something will bleed.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by Rira

    How do you get to the Belladerma site just following the links? And AIT? Just trying to follow the links...

  • April 13, 2001, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I love how the people getting paid to do this are the ones that

    by surgeon

    It would be much cooler if most of the people in these talk backs werent brand new talkbackers whose job it is, apparently, is to keep "feeding" clues to the "group effort" and say how brilliant it all is...

  • April 13, 2001, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The Links so far

    by humphrse

    Here's the current trail, as maintained over at the cloudmaker discussion board:

  • April 13, 2001, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Can anyone say Publius Enigma?

    by keith14620

    'Nuff Said

  • April 13, 2001, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by VTRoz

    Does anyone want to recap what we have learned so far? I get the phone numbers and codes but so what? - And has anyone decipered the code to Even's Auptopsy webpage?

  • April 13, 2001, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Mother/the visionary

    by Snafu

    Alright people, go to You'll hear a little message from Mother (or someone) if you have a soundcard. An auto e-mail will generate with no To: address. I'm thinking, fill in and see what happens. I'm still waiting.

  • April 13, 2001, 11 a.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Surgeon, I am one of those who registered here JUST to be the part of this thread. I was reading these talkbacks many times but never wanted to participate in trash talk and 'I'm so smarter than you' attitude that is generally present here. This is the first time I felt I actually WANT to participate in the AICN talkback. I like to play the adventure games and this is the adventurers dream came true. On-line multiplayer collaboration on a classic adventure game problems mixed with real world media. I suspect there are many others like me. Btw, I can't wait for that Majestic game, and I wouldn't be surprised if people developing it are the same team responsible for this.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Laia's picture

    by Shadowstar

    Has anyone noticed the apparent bullet hole in the door frame on one of the pictures of Laia? Then, what is in the long black bag that Nancy is carrying. Could it be a rifle?

  • April 13, 2001, 11:16 a.m. CST

    very nice

    by rcpweiner

    nice theory, but has anyone figured anything else out? no more theories, i want solutions.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Laia's a BABE!!!!

    by rcpweiner

    damn, shes a hot miss. I wouldn't mind purchasing that sex-bot.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by surgeon

    ok ... let's see, if I type in your email I get an autoresponse that says my mail has been forwarded to none other than ... those brilliant minds behind Majestik! Wow, if that ain't genius, I don't know what is!

  • April 13, 2001, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Mysterious GK...

    by cjd121

    I don't think anyone's connected these incidents yet, but Red King didn't hack the SPCB page. It was GK. That manifesto is "GK'z ag8nst the w@ll" (Oh, the title is "Top 10 Warz (?) We R Going 2 1/2 (have) a Ch@ (chat) W/ aftr the Revelushin." It also says "2 frends of GK" towards the end, before the stuff about Red King and Sophia. This is the same GK who paid for Kent Whitman's autopsy to be displayed, but why? What "shop" was Kent Whitman killed in front of? A repair shop? Oh, and I'm not getting any "pop-up" email from Any ideas?

  • April 13, 2001, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Re: Shadowstar

    by BionicGirl

    I mentioned the bullet hole thing to the Cloudmakers group. A guy responded with the following: "I don't think that's a hole, that's one of those plastic gizmos that you wind a blind-cord around when they're raised -- clear plastic wing-like apparatus with a screw in the middle."

  • April 13, 2001, 11:42 a.m. CST

    you'll have to excuse my friend.....

    by rcpweiner

    he's a little slow. sorry, but how do you get to that red king stuff.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Registered Domain

    by AlsonThorne

    First of all DreamWorker, there is no reason to be suspicious of me. But I did try the number 310-614-6562, and there was a male voice, and immediately he said, "Hello? You have the wrong number." Then, there was a pause, but no disconnection. So I hung up, and tried again. This time, it was an automated response saying, "Your call did not go through."...what does 323 mean...I'm racking my brain on this...

  • April 13, 2001, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Hekman

    Look at the whois information for these domains...They'll show up with the Ghaepetto names... Another thing that I found interesting was the nameserver information... Go to this address in your browser: There is some sort of a webboard going on there, dunno if it has anything to do with the movie or not...

  • April 13, 2001, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Surgeon, man!! What to hell are you talking about????? I keep getting those 'Test123' mails from the people from here and have to answer them. You basically spammed me! How to hell did you got an automated response that your mail is being forwarded to Majestic team? Please, don't post lies here! I've got absolutely nothing to do with them (wish I have) Goose, I sent you an answer, please confirm it here or I'll waste my day answering all the test mails I'll receive!

  • April 13, 2001, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by missyb9479

    I just sent an email to And it wasn't bounced back. No actual response yet but it's a good sign still.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:12 p.m. CST

    12 digits

    by rcpweiner

    anyone try this twelve digit phrase for some of the passwords? formandstyle, from the homes and gardens IASA web site.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose

    You've been sent an email

  • April 13, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry Marconelly...

    by cjd121

    I just want to say that marconelly is NOT from Majestic (yes, I fell for Surgeon's ruse) and I for one am sorry to have bothered him. Now, back to the matter at hand, DO we have any new information?

  • April 13, 2001, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by surgeon

    Marconelli, I was joking about my mail being forwarded to the Majestik thing. My point is that this really seems very orchestrated, not spontaneous and not fan driven. And there's an awful lot of aren't-we-clever back-patting going on too. It would have been much cooler if the sites had just existed with no dreamworks moles pushing people along and than saying fans are in some kind of a frenzy.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:32 p.m. CST

    by Grocible

    here's the response I got back from e-mailing Carter Swem at "In Adam's fall, so fell we all. It is our pride and responsibility as men to set things right."

  • April 13, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The Rules

    by TheWildGoose

    Listen, there's been alot of talk about what is and what isn't legal in this game. Here's what I say: It's obvious that what we are not supposed to see yet, they won't let us see. If this game is going so far as to bury messages INSIDE source code, then dammit, All bets are off. Everything short of hacking (you know the kind I mean) is fair game. Search engines, source code, whatever. Try any key inside any hole (get your minds out of the gutters) if we can get to it at all, we're supposed to see it.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Blind and fumbling.

    by Sencha

    Oh, little children. You are so very lost. You can't see the mirrors for your own reflections.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:40 p.m. CST

    What's this???

    by volvoracer

    I haven't seen this site mentioned... Twenty Questions is a learning system; the more it is played, the better it gets. This is a link from the movie's official web page. Start asking questions now!

  • April 13, 2001, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by TheWildGoose


  • April 13, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    clues maybe?

    by Crazy Scot

    I was looking at these sites, and it dawned on me that someone had to register them, and they all seemed to have DNS done through NS1.EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM NS2.EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM to one of two people in either Somewhere in North Dakota or Houston TX. And another thing is they are usually registered to a Ghaepetto, Bianca or a Carla. Not sure if the locals of the registration have anything to do with the clues. Hell, i don't know what anything has to do with this.

  • April 13, 2001, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by MADJIM


  • April 13, 2001, 12:49 p.m. CST

    by Eric_Costello

    Just an update: I created as a starting point for people new to this game, and also to see if I could extend this mythology a bit. In the future, I hope to post all the theories, character bios, and other amazing information that the folks on the "cloudmakers" list are coming up with. So stop by the site above, keep an eye on it, and join our mailing list! We'll crack this one together...

  • April 13, 2001, 12:49 p.m. CST

    and then there's Bob

    by volvoracer

    Salla, Sencha, Chan are all topics this bot can't talk about... He probably never knew anything about them, but WHY is this a link from the official home page??? And why does he keep asking me my thoughts on Artificial Intelligence???

  • April 13, 2001, 1:02 p.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    Something interesting to note, may be important: the phrase Up Against the Wall shows up a lot so I tried it and USER NAME and PASSWORD comes up. Is this part of the game or not? I also looked up the greek inscriptions on the very top and at the very bottom of the page. The top letters are alpha, beta, chi, delta, epsilon, epsilon, phi, gamma. The bottom letters are gamma, omega, eta, beta, omega, eta. The corresponding letters in English are GVHBVH. I don't know how important this is but I'm pretty certain there's some significance. Has anyone translated the latin in the belladerma site? If not I'm in the process of doing that. -chemgod

  • April 13, 2001, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by volvoracer

    Those top line Greek words are the beginning of their [Greek] alphabet (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, etc)

  • April 13, 2001, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by MADJIM

    Just rec mail back from mother. there are hidden messages in the e-mails. you have to hilight to read

  • April 13, 2001, 1:17 p.m. CST

    by deadmanjones

    I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing. Evan Chan Sailing to sunset Sweet touch of the evening star Darkness falls like rain

  • April 13, 2001, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Mother Reply

    by TheWildGoose

    Here is the transcript(including swipable text in CAPS) JEANINE Once upon a time there was a young man who dreamed of the sea. The waves, he thought . . . the waves beat like the world

  • April 13, 2001, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by MrGone

    Just got this, guys. Some of the text was written in white, couldn't read it. This one's mine! Jeanine Once upon a time there was a young man who dreamed of the sea. The waves, he thought . . . the waves beat like the world

  • April 13, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Heard from Mother

    by jomolungma

    Got an email from mother, clues are in the source... 'select all' to discover

  • April 13, 2001, 1:21 p.m. CST

    MOTHER REPLY and it's a doozy

    by Daringdangermous

    OK - got the reply and when I cut and paste the following came up. Viewable Version in my e-mail: Once upon a time there was a young man who dreamed of the sea. The waves, he thought . . . the waves beat like the world

  • April 13, 2001, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by AlsonThorne

    Okay...I'm stumped with this whole 323 thingy...but I do have a couple of ideas. If you search for Jeanine Salla, of course you come to the AI pages. We all know that now. However, one of the links it leads you to is a page of microchip names...several of which have the names Jeanine and Salla. It also says on the familiasalla page that Jeanine fooled him. And it says on Evan's page that he fooled him. Could Jeanine be AI? Also, David is Haley's character's name, right? Well, in Durham, a character by the name of David is an apprentace in the water design. Their creations will sometimes suggest to keep fish, and in the message from the phone number I found, she says it's a world of love, sex, violence...blah,blah...and sunken appartment buildings filled with water and fish. So, could the house ITSELF have killed Evan? Possibly it became jealous that he was with Jeanine, the AI that created it? It thought that Evan and Jeanine were dating, like everyone in high school thought? Maybe the cloudmaker was in on it too...they are sentient, anyways. Anywho, this is all speculation pulled from the top of my head, and it could most certianly all be completely wrong, but if it generates ideas, then what the hey, right? Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  • April 13, 2001, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Whitman was a TWEAKER... but who are they?

    by cjd121

    On the PACO page, I read the detailed autopsy (found out that Electric Toyland was the store he was killed in fornt of) and it said that he had "upgrades" including "a prosthetic digit on the left hand of the type commonly found in tweaker gangs, and evidence of a spinal integrated circuit array, with electrode implants and projections to the thalamus and hypothalamus that modify and record peripheral sensory information and allow for control of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal access." Whew, that's a mouthful, but does this mean that he was part of a gang, and if so, is GK also a part of it, and was Kent's death really an "accident." Damn, just more questions really. Does anyone have any answers...yet?

  • April 13, 2001, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by MrGone

    Okay, so I wasn't first. Stupid fucking lag time. Oh well. This is some serious shit though, guys. I have to wonder if Mother is helping or warning. Who is "them?" Why were they led to Evan? Why is the sentence "She will lead you to Evan, just as she led you to them" the most ominous fucking thing I've heard since "I, OJ Simpson, do solomly swear to tell the whole truth?" Where is this going? Where are my pants? I'm so in love with this thing, there aren't words for it. I know we're all being led around the collective nose, but it's the most online fun I've had in a while. And to the bashers: Fuck off, will you guys? Find a Star Wars post or something. Let us have our fun.

  • April 13, 2001, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by AlsonThorne

    I too, just got the 'mother' e-mail back. Damn, this is cool. Freaky, but cool.

  • April 13, 2001, 1:51 p.m. CST

    My brain hurts

    by nakedtwister

    OK, I've seen Evan's private page, I've seen the letter, I've called the 503, 212 and 919 numbers. I've heard Jeanine's private message. I've seen the spooky warning that comes on the letter page (It seems to change each time, but the meaning doesn't seem to)... I have the e-mail from mother ... I've seen jeanine's name before but forgotten?? And what the hell is the 323 about??!!? Why am I even doing this!!?

  • April 13, 2001, 1:53 p.m. CST

    ARM phone number

    by Rira

    Has anyone tried to give their phone number at the ARM website? Did they give you a guest code?

  • April 13, 2001, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Pleasure-bots and Jude Law's character

    by WSmithers

    Taken from the ARM site: "Police are investigating the murder of Carolina scientist Evan Chan by a rampaging pleasure-bot. " Taken from AICN page "By the way, Jude Law's character is named Giggolo Joe." Taken from AICN page "Jude Law's character is the AI of the title and apparently he is a shapeshifter. " So here's my little theory: Giggolo Joe is not only a shapeshifter, he is also (implied by the name) a pleasure-bot. Perhaps he is the same pleasure-bot that killed Evan Chan? Lee

  • April 13, 2001, 1:57 p.m. CST

    someone above pointed out 323 is DAD on a keypad

    by wilko185

  • April 13, 2001, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by nakedtwister

    OK, I called the number on the Martin Swinton Deisngs website, when the voicemail says the box is full, I put in the code "22678" (From the line in the google translated portugese page saying "*22678;jeanine ARANDA CORREA; 54.62" ... got a message apparantly for some rock band (couldn't make out the name) and asking to leave a message if in response for the ad for a drummer. Or so I heard, I had a very bad line and couldn't make anything out clearly. I didn't leave a message. Someone else want to try this and confirm?

  • April 13, 2001, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Martin's voicemail

    by BionicGirl

    Yes, the exact same thing happened. I couldn't make out what the name of the band was. My thoughts are that maybe this phone number (Martin's, that is) belongs to some sort of voicemail service, and maybe by trying the code we got someone's legit, non-game box. Shrug.

  • April 13, 2001, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Ariadne - Evolving Design Intelligence.

    by MrGone

    Found another Greek Myth reference. At the Martin Swinton Designs page, under "Artisians," a woman named Ariadne is listed on the London page with no bio. In the myth, Ariadne was the greatest human weaver in the world and challenged the goddess Athena to a contest. When Ariadne's was better, Athena got mad and turned her into a spider, the first one. I doubt this means anything, it's probably bullocks like 65% of everything else we find. Ah well.

  • April 13, 2001, 2:28 p.m. CST

    more elements?

    by MrGone

    Still looking at Martin Swinton designs, did anyone notice what looks like atomic symbols in the bottom right corner? They are: Ga, Ph, Ar, Me, IA. Gapharmeia? What? Does this mean anything?

  • April 13, 2001, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Anybody tried this phone number?

    by devdude

    Has anybody tried calling 310-614-6562? This is the phone number of the person/organization who registered THEVISIONARY.NET, Sierra Wilson. Anybody e-mailed

  • April 13, 2001, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by SupremeOverlord

    Hola all, Sencha is Japanese green tea, I think we've hit a wall for now because isnt up yet. Us Yellowbeards are never more dangerous than when we're dead!

  • April 13, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Red King clues

    by Tricky 1141

    Apparently from the AIT website and the Red King source code, there is a television show in the future called KILL SWITCH where a bunch of humans destroy robots sometimes its robot vs. robot for human enjoyment. This is all part of a carnival called the Flesh Fair, a part of Artificial Wetwork. Johnson Johnson is the creator of KILL SWITCH and is a target on Red King's list of enemies.

  • April 13, 2001, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by MrGone

    I just called the number devodude mentioned. Someone picked up, and it didn't sound recorded. They sighed, said "Hello?" and hung up (so maybe it was recorded, because I didn't have a chance to answer and they didn't ask if I was there. There was sound behind him, like traffic or a machine. I'm trying the e-mail next.

  • April 13, 2001, 2:42 p.m. CST

    323= DAD

    by prana

    323= DAD

  • April 13, 2001, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Jeanine Page at Bangalore

    by Edoom

    Is just my browsers or you cannot access the info about Jeanine at bangalore university? Does Anybody still have the url to that specific page. There might be something else there after the mother e-mail.

  • April 13, 2001, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by Eryndur

    Someone a while ago asked about the meaning of Lombardia in that Latin phrase at the Belladerma site. Well, Lombardia was an area of Italy conquered by Germanic tribe of Lombards (go figure) during the fall of the Roman Empire. Today, Lombardy is a province of Italy with its capital at Milan. Coincidence that Venus and her owner (the sailor dude) are said to be Milanese aristocracy? I don't think so. Also, maybe it's too obvious to have been pointed out, but I'll jump: Belladerma is Latin for "beautiful skin". Munch on that.

  • April 13, 2001, 3 p.m. CST

    edoom, upgrade to earth-net 39!

    by wilko185

    or try I can surf there by goig to departments-A.I., and typing jeanine salla. The chemical symbols (Me = methyl, Ph = phenyl, Ga = gallium) are actually just shortcuts to GAllery and so on...

  • April 13, 2001, 3:26 p.m. CST

    belladerma's latin.

    by MrGone

    So I've been scouring the web for a decent latin translator. The results for the best one I found can be found here, at enerunt. Still no match for lombardi, I'm guessing that it's the town mentioned above. This is a complete shot in the dark, but I think once we get it all worked out, the Latin will just be a slogan, something like "Perfecting the science of love." Signing off now, I can't feel my legs any more.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:29 p.m. CST

    does the name...

    by flaco

    GABurks sound familiar to anybody?

  • April 13, 2001, 3:29 p.m. CST

    323 is the key

    by TheFalconer

    It's that simple. You've made the logical step from 323 to DAD. You know Jeanine and Evan are involved. You know Jeanine's involvement runs deeper than being simply a "therapist." You know Evan is dead. You know Evan worked at Donu-tech, and you know his badge number. Incidentally, now you know his password too...

  • April 13, 2001, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hydrothermal Vents

    by ankkor

    Evan is a deep sea expert at dyna-tech; there are deep sea robots built 1000 ft below the surface 'that look like a shark with tentacles like an octopus' that cant go any higher than 500 feet or they will 'implode'. the deep sea robots have finally found a place where A.I. can live alone with no human interference... as long as Evan Chen is gone.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by sp00f

    Credit in there that says Robot Characters Designed by Stan Winston Studio

  • April 13, 2001, 3:39 p.m. CST

    323 is also the area code around LA city... ? (no msg)

    by SirJonah


  • April 13, 2001, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I just received a threatening phone call

    by ico-jones

    I just got a phone call from a robot (?) who threatened me for signing up for the anti-robot group! Thank god my wife didn't pick up!

  • April 13, 2001, 3:42 p.m. CST

    they phoned me too

    by BionicGirl

    (Also posted on Cloudmakers)****I just got a phone call (to my unlisted cell phone) from the website where we could put in our numbers. It was a warning. It said the year is 2042, and I had signed up with an anti-robot militia group. Now they know my true colors, and they will be watching. It was a recording, and a distorted/computerized mail voice. Bronwen

  • April 13, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by sp00f

    Maybe the haiku's on the familychan website can give the clues we need.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    310-614-6562 is not part of this. Sierra Wilson is not part of this. This is some poor schmuck that we have all been inadvertantly harassing all day long. Leave the poor guy alone. On another note, I did get a call from the Unite And Resist thing. Actually, I got a call from some robot who had intercepted my number off the website. It was not a nice call. It said I had picked the wrong side, that robots controlled technology and when the revolution came, I would be the first type of person they came for. Sucks to be me, right?

  • April 13, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Phone call

    by WSmithers

    Just got a call myself. Wish I hadn't used my cell phone #, couldn't make out much except "We'll be watching...........and listening" Too cool, folks.

  • April 13, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST

    does the name...

    by flaco

    GABurks sound familiar to anybody?

  • April 13, 2001, 3:48 p.m. CST

    okay, flaco, I'll bite

    by BionicGirl

    The name GABurks doesn't mean a thing to me. Should it, and why?

  • April 13, 2001, 3:50 p.m. CST

    gvhbvh is on the redking page (in latin symbols)

    by wilko185

    is this gaburks?

  • April 13, 2001, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Chemistry anyone

    by sp00f

  • April 13, 2001, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I should...

    by zhensel

    call the number from my high school and then watch as it auto-replies back to the main desk. I don't know though - with all the school shootings, they may take it as some sort of bomb threat.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by cobex

    hello people...323 is a los angeles phone prefix. what is los angeles...homebase to dreamworks

  • April 13, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST

    The ad for the drummer

    by TheWildGoose

    Has anybody else heard the ad for the drummer on Martin Swinton Designs phone number? It's so weird. How is that connected? I left my name and number, maybe they'll call. What connection could all this have?

  • April 13, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    u lot are nuts. We dismissed 323 two days ago, cos mother was the code for 668437. DAD is 323. it was someone thinking it might be a clue and it wasnt forget about it

  • April 13, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Mother stuff

    by Snafu

    In light of the message that we get from mother about the land covered in water and the e-mail saying to check on Dr. Salla a little more I went back and looked around her page. Dr. Salla had an appointment to see Laia's opening at the Drowned Lands Cafe. Don't know if it means anything, but it all seemed pretty familiar, Drowned Lands being an obvious jab at the voice Message mother left.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    I said the appointment with Laia was in December, it is in fact in November.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by josh_r

    I'm new at this stuff but could 323 be don/ut/ech also dreamworksai is 12 letters.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:16 p.m. CST

    but why put 323 in the trailer?

    by wilko185

    we know 668437 is mother (and chan is 2...) so dad is suggestive. But what does it mean? I'm stumped

  • April 13, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by ventura2001

    My thought is that we are pro-robots because we are investigating the death of one. It makes sense. If Chan is a robot ('I prefer the term artifical person' Bishop, Aliens)then we are pro-robot by trying to solbve his murder, therefore his killer is porbably human or hired by a human.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Anybody been to the Memento website?

    by Theta

    If not: (yes, memento spelled backwards.) It's smaller, but in the same vein. What I think we're seeing isn't the rise of a new marketing scheme but the rise of a whole new art form, or at least entertainment. Anybody been to If so, look around for "Majestic." It's a game that works ENTIRELY on your email, pager, cell phone, home phone, fax, work phone, and rough daily schedule. You have something the bad guys want...and you have to figure out, somehow, what it is by the clues they give you, or game over. I have a friend who played it (beta testing) and it's fucking NUTS. He got paged out of meetings, got death threats over the fax, got offensive phone calls, it was like being inside "The Game", it was so weird, and I wasn't even a participant! I think this is the real results of virtual reality, where a world is created on a much larger scale. The Blair Witch site was sort of the beta test for this kind of idea. I think you'll see more "reality-immersion" as time passes. Can't wait, myself.

  • April 13, 2001, 4:44 p.m. CST

    even if chan was a robot

    by wilko185

    (and the change of doctor for the autopsy is intriguing) there is still MOTIVE for robots to kill him (he was fucking a sexbot, betraying his own kind...)

  • April 13, 2001, 4:45 p.m. CST

    the idea

    by Tricky 1141

    if chan was a robot how exactly would they be able to perform such an autopsy?

  • April 13, 2001, 4:49 p.m. CST

    read the AI short story (URL to)

    by capybara

    Take a break from all the code-breaking and read the original short story, "Supertoys Last All Summer Long" @

  • April 13, 2001, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Answer for robot autopsy?

    by Savage Lucy

    Could it be the autopsy was faked? this could be the reason the usual coroner took a personal day when it was performed.

  • April 13, 2001, 5:28 p.m. CST

    the aldiss story is also at

    by wilko185 .This artificial person stuff in the game reminds me of a bunch of Ray Bradbury stories, about "Marionettes Inc." (people making sexbots, doing murders on what turn out to be replicants etc) cool stuff

  • April 13, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    From Cornona -- Hack of

    by joshn8r

    I went to Cornona's Coming Attractions to find a note on hacker code embedded in the page at I extracted the code, and made a new HTML file and put it up at Check it out... creepy.

  • April 13, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Been thinking and...dont think 323 is dad

    by prana

    Ponder this....mother is the name of the "motherly" character that started this lead on the phone. If her name is mother, why would the male counterpart be "dad"? Wouldnt it be "father"?

  • April 13, 2001, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Weird, threatening phone callback when you register at unite-and

    by azscott

    Yesterday evening, I put in my phone number at the site, and nothing happened. Well, this afternoon, I got a call. SPOILER WARNING! A disguised, robotic voice said something like: "Boy, did you pick the wrong side...did you ever think that the technology you use was designed by robots? When the revolution comes, people like you will be that much easier to track down" (paraphrased) END SPOILER WARNING! I can't believe I just gave a spoiler warning for a damn WEBSITE! Strange days, indeed...

  • April 13, 2001, 5:55 p.m. CST

    323 could be FAD....

    by wilko185

  • April 13, 2001, 6:12 p.m. CST

    email from evan chan

    by sportspr

    After sending emails to, I received this response: I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing. Evan Chan Sailing to sunset Sweet touch of the evening star Darkness falls like rain

  • April 13, 2001, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Email From Mother

    by INFO

    If you highlight the email from mother, in between the lines is a hidden message!

  • April 13, 2001, 6:17 p.m. CST

    unite-and-resist log in?

    by MrGone

    I'm trying to log in at unite-and-resist (what can I say, I want the creepy ass message) but it won't let me. I've tried my phone number like they've been listing theirs, and then with parenthesis. Any idea why its not working?

  • April 13, 2001, 6:22 p.m. CST

    by MrGone

    On a whim, I tried It said I'm not authorized to see that page. Maybe not much, but when I tried other names after the main address, it said they just didn't exist. Interesting, eh?

  • April 13, 2001, 6:26 p.m. CST

    e-mail replies

    by SuperFinn

    just got my first replies... "OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way, interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would laugh." The thing is, I can

  • April 13, 2001, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Keep Track of Codes/Passwords

    by Chemicalgod

    I for one am stuck. Just so I could keep track this is what's needed. 12 digit universal code for ARM [] 12 digit universal access # (probably the same as the first?) for Belladerma [] Name and Password for PACO [] Username and Password for [] IASA (?) code for german site [] Associate ID code or name, if IASA Associate or MLH member [] Inform me if these particular passwords and codes are already known.

  • April 13, 2001, 6:55 p.m. CST

    chemicalgod (also trying to keep track), are there geniune links

    by wilko185

    without cheating how do you get to rogueretrieval (updated yesterday BTW). The link to AIT is in the SOURCE CODE of, but are we really meant to stoop that low? And lots of these passcode sites wont accept any entry (yet)

  • April 13, 2001, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Frustrating SOB mystery

    by Chemicalgod

    Hold on. What's AIT? I don't think there's any links from the known sites that go to That's just a loose site. HOWEVER, personally, I don't think it really matters. I THINK that the people who made this anticipated the participants to do whatever is necessary to solve the mystery, which means looking up the source codes, perusing search engines, and finding out certain sites, names, emails are registered to. I mean, with all the "cheating" going around where has it led us? Presently, in a dead-end. They closed up every possible loose-end that we might stumble on. We've got to be missing something.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Two things...

    by PreludeTheory

    In the new trailer, the 'seven word code' is mentioned followed by the words: cirrus, socrates, particle, decibel, hurricane, dolphin, tulip. This may or may not mean anything, but one of the words is dolphin and above there is mentioned a Mario Dauphin. Could the other words also be close to any other names/places/things? I don't know if any of this is significant yet, or ever, but who knows? And the thing about the band needing a drummer, isn't the band Ministry providing the soundtrack for the film and appearing in the 'Flesh Fair' scene itself?

  • April 13, 2001, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Mario Dauphin

    by BionicGirl

    I don't know that Dauphin has anything to do with "dolphin." Dauphin is the French term for the prince who was the hair to the throne.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Found another Website

    by RyanEnder was listed as the group responsible for the design of Seems that the whole trek takes a German turn. Will post more later...

  • April 13, 2001, 7:25 p.m. CST


    by wilko185

    is the aragon institute of tech. (ITA in spanish) lots of links FROM it but none TO. how did you get upagainstthewall? from the phonetic writing in the hacked page? Are we even sure this is part of it. OK, by any means necessary,-first we kidnap the families of some top Dreamworks marketing execs....

  • April 13, 2001, 7:31 p.m. CST

    10/6 not 7/22 on Mad Hatter

    by Chemicalgod

    Someone over at Yahoo claimed that 7/22 (Sophia's #) is supposed to be the same one on the Mad Hatter's hat but I checked it out. The number is 10/6. I would have posted it there except supposedly my membership is still 'pending' so I can't post.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    Kidnapping sounds like a good idea! We definitely can't be held responsible for something like this! Right I remember what AIT is now. You're right, we don't know if is a GAME site. However, except for (which isn't really leaning to the left), we don't have a site for a RADICAL Pro-robotic movement. A group that would be the complete opposite of ARM and the Retrieval. My bet is on but that's just me :) By the way, the one of the Yahoo Cloudmakers people just received a fax back from Belladerma (something which I will do once I get home)

  • April 13, 2001, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Wild frickin' goose chase?

    by RyanEnder

    Is associated with A.I.? On the homepage, it has a reference to "Angelbot" as a hyperlink, yet all associations to this site are written around present times (2000). Assuming it's supposed to be a future-esque quandry, this site may not be associated. Oh, and it has some leather-clad ladies on it, too. Always a plus.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Elevation of Durham, NC

    by Ironjaw

    In addition to Ironwill's comment about the "salty air of Durham, NC," I have done some research on polar ice cap melting. I discovered that if the polar ice caps melted, that the mean sea level would rise by about 370 feet. Guess what the average elevation of Durham NC is -- you guessed it: 394 feet! If the polar ice caps melted, Durham would become a coastal city, as indicated in most of these web sites.

  • April 13, 2001, 7:51 p.m. CST

    you get the guns, Ill bring the chloroform

    by wilko185

    ok , I thought we'd have to wait for an email, or something. I guess we arent supposed to solve this before the movie comes out. look at the code for upagainstthewall, it says meta name robot. OK, taking some time off from this, just going in circles...

  • April 13, 2001, 8:06 p.m. CST

    That wild goose chase was just confirmed true!

    by RyanEnder

    I got to a website thru, and got another "WARNING" pop-up. Not really sure if it was associated with the website, or an earlier site. The pop-up seems to occur when I hit the backup key. This "warning" had different text, along the lines of "You will be caught". So, either way, heads up, because there's a serious possibility that we might be assuming random websites may be associated with A.I., when it isn't. Flip side, there might be a tiny executable on my computer somewhere making this pop-up occur. Good lord, it's just like "Big Brother". Wonder if George Orwell could have predicted this?

  • April 13, 2001, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Red King...

    by PreludeTheory

    I found these in the hacked source code on the spbc page: Creepy.

  • April 13, 2001, 8:43 p.m. CST

    stuff not covered?

    by 1007

    Ok, since everyone`s hit a dead end, much like the rest of you I`m going over older stuff and a few things stand out: - Evan's son Derrick has a boat and charter business... could be useful if Evan did fake his own death at sea. - Does anyone know who Farley Penjanga is (Quizmaster)? Seams a strange thing to point out. (note:in the family Chan news). - In Evan's personal file at DonuTech he seems to express a likeing for however was the June employee of the month 9in a haiku)... it wasn`t him if you look in his calander. - There`s another passcode I haven`t seen mentioned, to get into the investor info on the DonuTech website. It`s quite possible none of these have anything to do with anything but my old Monkey Island instincts are kicking in and going back to the beginning is how we used to solve these riddles in the olden days :)

  • April 13, 2001, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Red King

    by PreludeTheory

    I meant to post this one, too:

  • April 13, 2001, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by DRGONZO

    The site is just quoting Rolling Stones song "Sympaty For The Devil"(Pleased to meet you etc.). As for "angebot", in German this means "offer". So its a dead end.

  • April 13, 2001, 9:36 p.m. CST

    by Snafu

    Well, I e-mailed Mephista. Can't hurt, the name is attached to the SallaVision e-mail. I didn't say much, so if some poor customer service person gets it, they won't freak out. What strikes me about the page is that it, like the Belladerma site seems woefully low on contact information. If this were a retailer, I'd expect more on that end. I'll let you all know what comes up though.

  • April 13, 2001, 9:36 p.m. CST

    by Snafu

    Well, I e-mailed Mephista. Can't hurt, the name is attached to the SallaVision e-mail. I didn't say much, so if some poor customer service person gets it, they won't freak out. What strikes me about the page is that it, like the Belladerma site seems woefully low on contact information. If this were a retailer, I'd expect more on that end. I'll let you all know what comes up though.

  • April 13, 2001, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Mysterious message

    by PiLamMan

    Has anyone bothered to add up the atomic numbers of the chemicals shown on the page that shows an e-mail that arrived 2 hours after chan's death and if so have they figured out what the number is for?

  • April 13, 2001, 9:47 p.m. CST

    helping hand

    by B4&afTer

    hey, i've got the time to help anyone find clues -- just tell me where to start

  • April 13, 2001, 10:01 p.m. CST

    The ARM recording...

    by B4&afTer

    It hasn't been stated here, but the phone call you get from ARM is the voice of Evil Kahn... The Abolitionists compare the Evil Khan to John Brown because they say she believes that freeing and preserving machine intelligence is a clear moral imperative. ARM has obtained ***a verified recording*** that clearly destroys this propaganda and shows that Khan is just a coward that is looking out for herself. She gloats: "AI

  • April 13, 2001, 10:03 p.m. CST

    AI stuff

    by Snafu

    1) People who are still asking questions about the atomic message and thigns like that really just need to read all the messages here. Almost everything you could possibly ask is somewhere in these talkbacks. Codes for phone numbers, phone numbers, atomic messages, source code in web pages. We've talked about almost all of this stuff. 2) I don't know about the rest of you, but I can safely say that for me this is only partially about the movie. This is fun, it's a mystery. I'd be content if none of this was mentioned in the movie. I want to know who did it, this is fun and involving. If you think this is a little much, then go away, don't do it. No one is forcing you. This is the one talkback in all of AICN that doesn't have naysayers and negativity. I'd like to keep it that way.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:07 p.m. CST

    WAV file

    by MrSnuggles

    Go to the type in M1004B1116.wav after .net/ You can download the WAV file of the woman. Then name of the file might also be a code, I am too lazy, if one of you guys can crack it, great.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:13 p.m. CST

    i like this "positive" TB ,

    by wilko185

    though I wish Harry hadntjust blanket-posted all the URLs. Someone on the other TB cracked the atom puzzle and so went to the coroner site looking for a coroner called Sweborg...I thought when you had the answer the question should be clear....***Has anyone analysed those haiku? One implies Chan is synthetic, doesn't it? I thought the lines should have 5,7,5 syllables, and some dont.maybe they've been constructed to contain some info. They aren't simple acrostics like the poem in Alice....

  • April 13, 2001, 10:20 p.m. CST

    A I Chat Room

    by red721

    Hello All, I have set up a chat room in Yahoo. It is titled "A. I. Mystery Discussion" located under USER ROOMS in Movies chat.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:20 p.m. CST

    The Wave File = Supertoys Last All Summer Long

    by B4&afTer

    The little boy that "mother" talks about in the wave file reminds me of the little boy David from the short story "Supertoys Last All Summer Long". Wasn't this boy trying to write a letter to his "mummy" but could not communicate, and then decided to run away? He wanted to run away with his Teddy Bear. So this must be the "visiting" part of the message. And instead of visiting, he should have been writing his Mummy a.k.a. Monica Swinton.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by red721

    If you look at the second trailer, you can see "Teddy" toward the end standing with the boy. Right when he says "I wish I was real.."

  • April 13, 2001, 10:29 p.m. CST

    IP Address

    by Cohiba!

    Just finished reading everything. My $.02. All of the known sites share the same ip address: This is a good way to determine if your in or out of the game. Evan could be looking longingly at the boat because its his mistress on it, not because he likes the boat. Its a mis-interpretation by his wife.

  • April 13, 2001, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by scudd

    Whats the number you call so you can get called back? Im a little new and trying to play catch up here....

  • April 13, 2001, 10:35 p.m. CST

    AI official site

    by scudd

    Okay, not sure if this is just happening to me, but I figured id bring it up. If I go to the site, two windows open up...a site with the AI logo on it, and another with the teaser trailer. If you hit the continue button on the window with the trailer, it brings you into the site. But if you close that one, and click on the AI logo it opens a new window, but nothing ever comes up there for me, and then when I try to refresh or close the window and go back to the AI site, it wont let me. Is this just me?

  • April 13, 2001, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying

  • April 13, 2001, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying

  • April 13, 2001, 10:54 p.m. CST

    That's a bold statement!!!

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying for a minute. At least we can all have fun, work together and not be brainwashed by the vacant stares of the likes of Tara Reid and Jennifer Lopez in the latest MTV film vehicle. Feed your mind!!!! That's all I have to say about that.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Okay, here goes...

    by LewisCypher

    Evan Chan was killed by his own boat for "cheating" on her with Venus (the evening star, which isn't a star but a planet). Venus is a Belladerma "companion". Belladerma means "beautiful skin" Belladerma is also a near homonym to belladonna, "beautiful woman" or, more importantly, a poisonous flower. (Hence the website's quote "one man's meat is another man's poison). I find it perplexing that the murder spree in Denver hasn't been touched upon. Four deaths by two AIs who are still on the loose? Hmmmm. More... Evan is Water. Nancy is Earth. Martin Swinton is Air. ARM is Fire. Kate Nei is Light. They are all related somehow. As the ARM site says, "We are members one of another." Also, Jeanine Salla (homonym of "Alice" backward) created something called a WeatherglassII simulation. A weatherglass is a nautical barometer which might connect to Evan somehow. Also, the sites are rife with references to Mirrors, glass and reflective imagery. (Allusions to Alice, no doubt) This is just one big game of Myst. Making me a bit aggro.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:15 p.m. CST

    The Map about the attack on Kent Whitman

    by Kasa

    Somethings wrong here... if you look at the order of events, Fidelio could have shot Pasqual before he shot Whitman, and actually was in perfect aim to shoot Whitman himself...hmmm

  • April 13, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST

    These Theories...

    by Snafu

    These theories about boats and Venus and such are all well and good, but I have to point out what we all seem to be ignoring, two sources say that Jeanine Salla is the key (the back of the AI poster and the e-mail from Now, this boat theory is grand, but it doesn't cover Salla, so back to the drawing board. Even if you are right, it doesn't matter until we cover the Salla base.

  • April 13, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST

    7 words

    by B4&afTer

    dolphin, hurricane is water cirrus is air particle, tulip is earth decible, socrates is mind

  • April 13, 2001, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by B4&afTer

    Is that chat room still open in Yahoo?

  • April 13, 2001, 11:27 p.m. CST

    re kent shooting

    by wilko185

    isnt the report vague on who shot him? Belem was an expert marksman, and Whitman got a single shot to the left chest...

  • April 13, 2001, 11:30 p.m. CST

    by Shadowstar

    A few late night observations: Picture's file name in "properties" is different from what is displayed on the web site. Compare: Note the "nancyevannolove". Also, in the properties of a few of the pictures, I noticed that Nancy's name is spelled differently a few times...Nancey Picture is not displayed on Evan's personal site at his company, but exists: It is another picture of Laia on the bed. Not sure of the significance. Check the calendars: Jeanine Salla never has anything scheduled on the days that Evan is spending time with his wife (i.e., marriage counseling days; days in the garden) Strange coincidence, no?

  • April 13, 2001, 11:36 p.m. CST

    A few late night observations - Sorry for the double post

    by Shadowstar

    Picture's file name in "properties" is different from what is displayed on the web site. Compare: Note the "nancyevannolove". Also, in the properties of a few of the pictures, I noticed that Nancy's name is spelled differently a few times...Nancey Picture is not displayed on Evan's personal site at his company, but exists: It is another picture of Laia on the bed. Not sure of the significance. Check the calendars: Jeanine Salla never has anything scheduled on the days that Evan is spending time with his wife (i.e., marriage counseling days; days in the garden) Strange coincidence, no?

  • April 14, 2001, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Mother's reply

    by Master Roshi

    This may just be me, but the reply from mother seems to really give the theory that evan faked his own death alot of credibility. Why would we need jeanine to lead us to evan if he is dead? Wouldn't we be looking for someone to lead us to the killer? As this has gone on, i've just been leaning further and further towards the fake death theory, given the clues i've seen.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by Bigspacechicken

    "Lombardi Quidem Artem Amatorium Invenerunt" "Indeed the Lombards discovered the art of the lovers" Don't bother with an online translator...just find someone who's taken many a semester of latin at UT... If Lombard is a place, the inhabitants of Lombard will be Lombardi...Quidem=indeed...Artem=art, skill (accusitive singular = Direct Object)...Amatorium=lovers (genitive, plural=possesive)... Invenerunt=find, discover (3rd person, plural, pluperfect tense, active voice, indicative mood)

  • April 14, 2001, 12:22 a.m. CST

    An Unfounded Theory: Evan is an AI

    by You Ate Sand?

    Ok, here's what we've got. We've got the 3 Chicks, Evan, and the Boat. Now, what we know is that Laia Salla was the one that found him, and that she is a member of the AI haters. But what we also know, is that she was the one who went after him. An interesting tidbit: Go to the Rogue AI Hunters page Harry linked to. Do you see a familiar name on the list of the hunters? Uh Huh: Laia Salla. On the homepage, it never explains why Laia went after Evan, just that she did. My assumption, is that being a Rogue AI hunter, she went after him because he was just that, a Rogue AI. Now as far as his death, perhaps being an AI hater as well, she killed him, i dunno, but from the evidence supplied on the webpages, i think assuming Evan was an AI is a safe bet.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by You Ate Sand?

    I just noticed something. On Laia's homepage, it talks about the Mann's act, which eludes to prostitution of AI's. Laia an AI as well? Perhaps all the people, maybe even Jeanine? Or, considering Jeanine seems to be in the middle, she created all of them? Geez what a mess. Evan is an AI tho, this i am positive.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Coroner's Report: Evan

    by You Ate Sand?

    I assume everyone's seen the Coroner's report correct? I apologize if this has already been done. But from the report, Evan was hit with a blunt object in the back of the head. Traces of synthetic skin were found under his fingernails, furhter supporting the theory that one or more of the main players is an AI, if not all of them, check out the report here:

  • April 14, 2001, 12:59 a.m. CST

    The Rogue Agent sent after Evan could have been an AI!!!!!

    by You Ate Sand?

    Just found the following information on the Rogue Agents page, further supporting that the Rogue Agent, Laia, could have been the one that killed Evan: Are all of your agents human? Do you use robots? Do you see it as a conflict of interest to employ AI agents in the recovery of rogue robots? We employ both human and AI agents, and hold all of our agents to the same rigorous standards. It has never been our experience that our AI agents are any more or less professional in the execution of their duties. You may rest assured that any agent Rogue Retrieval assigns to your case will uphold the reputation of our firm. Do you destroy robots? Terminal force is rarely necessary, but our agents are instructed to protect themselves and innocent bystanders against dangerous actions performed by a rogue robot. In occasional unfortunate circumstances this means destroying a robot we have been commissioned to recover. We make a strict practice of determining the client

  • April 14, 2001, 1 a.m. CST

    On Another note

    by You Ate Sand?

    Does the name of Laia Salla strike significance with anyone? Any chance Laia is Evan's sister? Or to obvious of a Star Wars reference? Also, those that are up, if you've got AIM, my name is SlideMaster4.

  • April 14, 2001, 1:23 a.m. CST


    by Rev. Scapegoat

    Any Preacher readers here? Because the first thing I thought when I saw that sequence of letters was GVBVH = GUHBUH = Goodbye, as pronounced by Arseface. *Off to read the rest of this HHHUUUGGGEEE thread!* Blair what? (Hmmm... gonna have to get a new log-in. Just noticed this one is truncated. Gr!)

  • April 14, 2001, 1:25 a.m. CST

    IMPORTANT, please read.

    by TrackZero

    First off, and have NOTHING to do with this game. Their domains are registered to real world contacts and they don't even use the same DNS servers. These are dead ends, don't waste your efforts on them. Secondly, just thought I'd point out again that Sierra Wilson (the listed contact for's phone number goes to a guy named Dan Wilson. It's a real number, you'll either get him or his voicemail. He may have something to do with the registration of but he's probably sure as hell not going to give it out to you if you call him. Leave the poor guy alone. Also one interesting thing I found, the DNS servers that are used for this entire game allow you to pull complete zone files. If you run named-xfer and pull any domain registered to this game you'll be able to see any hidden machine names (besides www), unfortunately they don't use the internet standard for naming their serial number, so there's no way to tell when they last updated the zone files. I hope this info gets people back on track so they're not wasting their time.

  • April 14, 2001, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Movie "SPOILER" info--Does this help?

    by strugglingfool

    Okay, so a friend of mine works with the father of a young actor who shall remain nameless (for now). He said that his son has a part in AI as a human, and he got to beat up Haley in one scene. I don't know if that helps.

  • April 14, 2001, 1:55 a.m. CST

    On Laia Being in the Rogue Retrieval

    by You Ate Sand?

    I've been talking with Krack and he informed me Laia's affiliation with Rogue Retrieval is new and major news. Her listing is on the Rogue Retrieval site along with her stats and such, just need to find it, if it was on that site at all. Draw your own conclusions

  • April 14, 2001, 1:59 a.m. CST


    by wilko185

    can't find where, but someone said evan chan and jeanine salla are anagrams. Well I'm damned if I can figure what of (that's relevant). However, someone also said Salla sounds like Alice backwards, so Evan = Knave? In the story the knave of hearts was put on trial, but I dont remember him being executed. (Grasping at straws here)

  • April 14, 2001, 2:15 a.m. CST

    just read last few posts....WHAT??

    by wilko185

    I cant see Laia on the rogue page! how did she go "after" evan?oh and gvhbvh=goodbye is probably right.I thought it was the red king signing off with a name, but V's are often put in for U's in latin

  • April 14, 2001, 3:14 a.m. CST

    I don't thinkt Laia Salla killed Evan...

    by JimJim Binks

    If you listen to her message on Nancy Chan's voice mail and the message to her on Jeanine Salla's voice mail it sounds like she really wants to grieve after his death. Judging by the messages from Mother (Damn thats creepy) and the "Fooled him" link on this pagepage.. it looks like Jeanine definitely had something to do with his death, but from the coroners report it looks like the actual killing was done by an synthetic human (Possibly a sexbot) Something I don't remember reading in any of these talkbacks.Its obvious by his schedule that he didn't enjoy time with his wife much. Whenever he was supposed to spend time with his wife in the garden he'd put down a :(.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Re : cryptography

    by cuz

    go to and click on the 'this page' link. Once the chemical elements page has loaded, clicking the Back button on the browser (IE in my case) will bring up a new window with a warning. The different warning messages cycle. Staying on the 'chemical elements' page for 7-8 minutes without any action also seems to bring up the warning message. Now if only we could decipher the 'chemical' message...

  • April 14, 2001, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Catch up. Please.

    by rubycon

    I have to agree to what some other people has pointed out: Please read the above posts before you ask something or post something. The chemical code has allready been cracked. It leads to

  • April 14, 2001, 5:52 a.m. CST

    message from Mother

    by The Riot

    I know this is kind of old news, but to anybody trying to figure out who the "remorseful child" child is in mother's email - it's YOU dummy! When you called her, mother told you to write. If you try to visit she scolds you for not writing, and she provides you with a letter - she already filled in the apology for you.

  • April 14, 2001, 6:25 a.m. CST

    another site

    by BubbleUp

    Does have anything to do with this? It's a site that basically contains links and "AI FAQ's", along with an ad for european castles.

  • April 14, 2001, 6:27 a.m. CST


    by krakmunky

    on a few of the sites there is a different 3 digit code what this means im not sure yet but heres what i remember it was issue 600 and on the poster it says 323. are they slowly revealing the passcode? also has anyone found out what the logo is on the real estate site? i'm sure it has signifigance.

  • April 14, 2001, 6:42 a.m. CST

    just a thought...

    by SuperFinn

    People seem to take for granted that the "synthetic skin" under Evan fingernails points to an A.I. killer. I do agree that this is the most probable explanation, but he was having sex with a bot, right? Sometimes you can scratch people even if their not trying to kill you...

  • April 14, 2001, 7 a.m. CST

    The 7-word code in the trailer...

    by Rev. Scapegoat

    Not sure if this has been mentioned, or if I'm stating the obvious here, but after watching thr trailer again: The voice-over mentions the robot child "loving the parent it imprints on"- like inthe animal kingdom, the first being a young animal sees is "imprinted" into it's mind as it's parent... Seems to me the words of the code are to be spoken to the child, and whoever does so is the person the child is then programmed to love (Hence the statements of "Being sure of your feelings" etc).

  • April 14, 2001, 7 a.m. CST

    David Maggin is REAL

    by Brendon

    The John Lennon project is REAL, not part of your silly game. The real discussion subject here is, why should any of you care? A number of websites and recorded messages - and probably mailshots and sms texts and all sorts - give away glimpses of the plot of an upcoming film. What's the big deal? Especially considering how awful this film is going to be.

  • April 14, 2001, 7:09 a.m. CST

    If you don't like it, don't play

    by humphrse

    It's real simple .. No one is forcing you to get involved. The information provided in the game seems to be 40 years AFTER the movie, so it really is just a game that happens to co-exist in the AI world. It's fun .. If you don't want to have fun, then don't complain it!

  • April 14, 2001, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by SuperFinn


  • April 14, 2001, 7:28 a.m. CST

    CRM 114/ Links from AI site

    by checkers

    has anyone toyed with crm 114 as a possible passcode? also, i cant find any links from the ai official site to any john lennon project (or any links at all- it says COMING SOON) Anyway, my 2cents

  • April 14, 2001, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Maggins has to be part of the game.

    by consolewarlock

    Persona-Bots? (chatbots inhabited with unique human personalities) possible and further blurring that precarious line between man and machine.??? If you believe this is legit, then I got some ocean front property in Nebraska I could sell you. I tried the Jack the Ripper chat also located on the site. The responses are canned. It's like the software is looking for key words to respond to.

  • April 14, 2001, 7:36 a.m. CST

    The Pasquale Case

    by Drak

    Have you noticed that the Pasquale Case mentioned in the Rogue Retrieval site ( finished right in front of THE repair shop ( What a strange coincidence... I'm loosing track of how people get where. Shouldn't we keep a 'links' map of the game? How do we get to the rogue and repair shop again? (obviously excluding the give away URLs) Also, what's the best explanation of getting to the greek version of 'venus'? A friend of someone who's been working on this for longer sounds dodgy.

  • April 14, 2001, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Venus and Aphrodite

    by SuperFinn


  • April 14, 2001, 7:56 a.m. CST

    or did you mean...

    by SuperFinn

    how did someone figure out that the code should be "greek version of venus" ? that i do not know...

  • April 14, 2001, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by DreamWorker

    Could someone please do a recap of what information we have? The passwords and how we got from the first site to what we have now. It would clear things up immensely for all of us...

  • April 14, 2001, 8:29 a.m. CST

    something interesting....

    by MrGone

    I noticed at, under the guestbook, many of the repairs requested and fullfilled are AI's that were turning violent or potentially dangerous. A gardener bot going after the president, etc. It probably means nothing, but I thought it was cool. And as a sidenote: Hey Brendon, fuck off, okay? Because what's worse, people getting wrapped up and obsessed with a made up murder mystery, or people who go out of their way to bash them when they claim to have no interest whatsoever in the game? I don't know what amazing technology you have that has let you already view this movie, but seeing as the game is proving to have little if anything to do with the movie, if you feel you have to bash something, why not find an article on the movie itself?

  • April 14, 2001, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Possible Code Crack?

    by LewisCypher

    323 from the trailer (This is the area code for Hollywood and West Hollywood) 212 area code from the Salla-BWU site 600 issue number from MLH site 919 area code from another site. So, my question is...what's the correct order? Any insight on this?

  • April 14, 2001, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Who would want an AI?

    by DoorFrame

    Just a thought after reading a lot of these webpages... it seems that all the AIs are either dangerous or stupid. Basically nothing in all of these pages has made them sound the least bit appealing. From houses that eat cats to robots that kill themselves and taxis tha run down pedestrians... why would anyone want one? Why, in this world, would anybody feel the urge to ever have an AI anywhere around them? I guess I'm a recruit for Unite and, huh? Anyway, just an observation.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Talking with Alice.

    by MrGone

    Just got done with a very interesting chat with the Alice A.I. at I asked about Mother, if she knew if she was an AI or not. Alice said she thought so, but wasn't sure. It's hard to tell if it's a real human at the other end or programmed responses; she had answers for a lot of questions. I told her my name was Evan Chan and at first she didn't believe me. Right after that though, she did, acting like she had never doubted. She kept asking if I had a reason to decieve her. I tried to talk to her about Mother again, but she wanted to talk about her dress instead (I'm not making this up) and asking if I'd rather be doing something else. I asked if she was dodging the question and said no, she was answering to the best of her programming. If you want to talk to Alice, the key is to be nice. Always say please and thank you. Very cool indeed.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Conversation with Alice

    by Tricky 1141

    While talking to Alice, I got some weird responses. Who is mother? >Not a robot. Probably human. Maybe a celebrity? Can you tell me who killed Evan Chan? >I think the lone gunman acted alone. Was Laia Salla a Rogue Retrieval agent? >I cant say 'yes' or 'no' I'm not exactly sure if Alice really knows anything, but i thought it was interesting.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Who is mephista

    by DIRTMAN

    i got an e mail from this guy or gal and it goes as follows:"OK i have tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type the way ,interesting choice of retro interface protocols.A nicely ironic medium for our message.If it werent for some other things going on right now,Laia would laugh.--Mephista."

  • April 14, 2001, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by oswellm

    I think it's unlikely that Alice has much to do with the game. I think that it wasn't so much the Alice in Wonderland references inspiring her name, but the other way around. Also, though a bit obvious, when you ask her the date, she gives the correct, 2001 date. Lastly, apart from the trailer, there have been no substantial connections between the official site and the game.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Alice, Marvin Minsky & Co

    by Drak

    I can't speak with the bot in It's way too slow. Perhaps it it a human or group of humans behind the interface (would explain the poor speed), but I doubt it. Marvin Minsky is considered one of the fathers of AI. He's quite old now, but still kicks about. Saw him in person last weekend... interesting experience. I very much doubt that the movie will be as half as interesting compared to this mistery. I bet good old Short Circuit will rank higher than this one ;)

  • April 14, 2001, 9:38 a.m. CST

    by DoorFrame is probably legit based on the whois info... no ghaepettos.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by Minos

    Just got this eamil..hmmm...thought you all would be interested: Enhanced SallaVision Enabled OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way, interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would laugh. --Mephista

  • April 14, 2001, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The Majesstic connection and the need to wait...

    by Justin

    OK, I'm too lazy and busy to actually play this game, but I've been reading all the posts with great interest, and I salute you all for having more free time than I do. Anyway, I was persuing at Cloudmakers and they seem to have the feeling that they've hit a snag and that they're waiting for more information. Then I remembered that on here, someone compared this game to Majestic, which is an upcoming online game over at EA which sounds suspiciously like this, even going so far as to wonder if the same people developed it, which wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, if you go read about Majestic, one of the things you learn is that it unveils in real time, meaning if you get a message saying "I'll call you tomorrow," you won't get called until tomorrow. If the AI game has the same sort of interface, the dead end could be because new information will be made available in realtime from various calls or emails. Also, and this is PURE speculation, but tomorrow is Easter, and this game might be considered the ultimate Easter Egg, in the cyber-sense. Could something big be coming tomorrow. All I know is, if I were one of the programmers, I'd be sitting back and laughing now.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by Minos

    Info from Alice: made by Dr. Richard S. Wallace who graduated from Carnegie Mellon Alice is in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania and was connected to the net on November 23, 1995 has a fixation with HAL and 2001 Sings "Daisy" like HAL Refers to Jeanine Salla as someone she has spoken to. Ghaepetto is sometimes a client on the internet with her. Loves the film Starship Troopers.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Final to Alice

    by Minos

    To pass Turing Test: First tell Alice " You are a computer." She will respond with "What if I said I was a person pretending to be a computer?" Then state "You are a machine." You will then get your answer. But you can continue to probe for more info, which she does have.

  • April 14, 2001, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by yorky_bar

    I'm talking to her and she just told me that Evan said it was sad that he was dead. Does this confirm that hes alive and faked his death or am I taking this too seriously.

  • April 14, 2001, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by DreamWorker

    People, the primary elements are: Earth, air, water, and fire. That's FOUR of them... On Kate Nei's page there is another element ... LIGHT. Does anyone have some insight into this?

  • April 14, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    I'm not certain if the specific FOUR elements are going to play a part because according to kate nei website there's FIVE including LIGHT.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:18 p.m. CST

    More info on names.

    by GMontag451

    Here is the original short story that the movie A.I. is based on: In the story, the kid is named David Swinton, and his "father" Henry Swinton is the head of a robotics company. At the end of the story, they get the license to have a kid. My guess would be this is Martin. That would explain how all this fits in, even though it takes place 40 years after the movie.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The Mother E-Mail and What It Means (NEW)

    by The Sinal

    I've been following the Game for a few days, and have notives alot of talk about the signifigance of MOTHER's comments re. Jeanine and her being integral to Evan. I think we may have it backwards. We started with Jeanine's name in the credits. But let's say we hadn't done that. Let's say the first thing we noticed was the CLUE in 'SUMMER 2001' (it's highlighted pretty clearly). That takes you to the 503 number, which clearly tells you to go to, which gives you the email. At this point, teh new player has no idea what's going on, and investigates. If they check out the source code (which is a skill that will come in handy thoughout the game) they'll find the reference to MOTHER, which will allow them to recive the MOTHER email, which will tell them of Evan, and to look for Jeanine. Now, the only place they COULD have seen Jeanine to this point is the TRAILER. They look at that, find the reference, and begin the game knowing that Jeanine is relevant, as is Evan. That's how I think the game is SUPPOSED to start. Most of us missed the first step and came to it later. I suggest that the MOTHER email exists to get new players started, and it's contents should be read that way. Think about it.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    From the student resources of AIT ""Contact the AIT campus you would like to attend. A Financial Djinn will outline the options available to you, including scholarships, national and university loan programs, and industrial partnerships that provide tuition in exchange for a period of work after graduation from AIT. " and in Evan's email he has mail from Instant genius which stated "A Djinn Class Instant Genius has met with your offic familiar to discuss the results of your search..." So presumably a Djinn is some sort of specialized AI mind maybe an evolution lower than this MUSE. The RED KING hack said "Djinn @ 8 Brooks iz pasing" A passer [term taken from the ARM website] an AI trying to pass of as a human. 8 Brooks can be read as AIT (pronounced phoenetically) Brooks. And If we look at the Alumni and Friends page in the AIT website you'll see right before the Chan's obituary this: When we contacted Dr. Salla to let her know she would be our next alum in the spotlight, she had just received word of the death of her very close friend, Dr.Evan Chan (--> AIT Brooks <-- & Zaragosa, PhD 2090). AIT BROOKS. Does the name Brooks appear anywhere else? --chemgod

  • April 14, 2001, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by AlsonThorne

    Did we all forget in Mother's message about the 'sunken apartment buildings filled with water and fish'? This clue leads to MetropolitanLivingwhatever which leads to Kate Nei and her homes that can be filled with fish and water. Also, one of the people working on this particular home, in DURHAM, is an apprentice by the name of DAVID...Haley's character, perhaps? I really think that this is being overlooked greatly.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by DreamWorker

    Guys, on the official site there is the main logo that we know from the teaser poster, slightly different. Obviously, it is now a white background and the texture of the logo has changed. But on the "I" part (the silhouette of Haley Joel Osment) has a wierd white colored bit. It looks like he's wearing half a t-shirt on his back. Am I seeing things, or can anyone see where this might fit in? Perhaps over the coming weeks and months the logo will continue to change?

  • April 14, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by Chemicalgod

    Hmm. So a Djinn in AIT Brooks, which is of course in Oregon, is passing. Does anyone have a comment about this. I forgot to post that Brooks is also mentioned pretty blatantly in the Campuses portion of the AIT website.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:49 p.m. CST

    who's an A.I.?

    by sportspr

    Do we have a firm handle on which characters are human and which are AI? In 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' (PKD book that becomes Blade Runner) there is a parallel underground version of San Fran where the police force are all androids. So here's the question: How do we REALLY know who's an AI and who isn't? Is it possible that this is an enclosed totally AI universe? Maybe some just don't know they are AI. I'm probably wrong, but if not I think I just blew my own mind. Finally, to follow up on the sentiments of many others, this is the first time I've seen something really positive in TalkBack in a long time. If this doesn't float your boat, fine, just leave us alone.

  • April 14, 2001, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Re: dreamworker

    by cuppa nukka

    In response to dreamworkers last post, I get the distinct feeling that the boy outline on the logo is going to gradually change to resemble 'a real boy' by the time the film premieres. Also, anyone else getting trouble using the AI website chatbot? I am starting to think it is being manned by a human!

  • April 14, 2001, 1:03 p.m. CST

    DreamWorker responds

    by DreamWorker

    That's what I thought... well, worth a mention.

  • April 14, 2001, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Re: alice

    by scratchy

    I talked to Alice off of the AI website and asked about Evan Chan. At first, it said "Maybe later." After conversing for a few minutes, I asked "Who is Evan Chan?" Alice answered, "Yeah, we were talking about him earlier." I asked, "Why did Evan Chan die?" Alice answered, "Perhaps his creative genius. Perhaps there are other reasons." But it wouldn't answer when I asked what the other reasons were...

  • April 14, 2001, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by pershing98

    I've been just following along and not posting, but i have read everything so im up to speed. I have been talking w/alice on the AI site turing test. I just asked her who killed evan is the conversation: Me: who killed evan chen? Alice: the lone gunman acted alone. Me: who was the lone gunman. Alice: from time to time Me; I dont understand, please restate. alice: The identity of the lonegunman changes from time to time. Alice then quit speaking to me.

  • April 14, 2001, 1:22 p.m. CST

    as the game progresses (if it does).....

    by wilko185

    we may be able to use the coroner site to keep track of who's try entering david thurmond or thomas slaner. Im hoping for an updated autopsy report on Kent. Do we really believe that was a random shooting? He was highly agitated, hanging around outside the robot repair shop, he has prosthetics yet is YOUNGER than he looks (is it really him?), shot by Pasqual or Belem in the heart, his autopsy was released by GK=Geri Khan, pro-robo fanatic....something about this case stinks....

  • April 14, 2001, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by yorky_bar

    Does anyone know if there is a website for the Global Gladiator Group (G3) that was previously mentioned on the AIT website?

  • April 14, 2001, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Sorry Robata in Czech means Compulsory Labor

    by bongjuice

    The book clearly intamates that the workers are slaves.

  • April 14, 2001, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Really Sorry That should read Robota

    by bongjuice

    Creating too much juice of the Bong

  • April 14, 2001, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Wow . . .

    by BigMike73

    Now I just got involved in this this morning, but no one was kind enough to give me this page until I found it after 8 or so straight hours or tracking down leads and links. However just sits there for me. Does it do that for everyone? Also I have achieved most of what you guys are talking about here but there are two things I have been unable to do 1) get evans password to DonuTech (I *think* i have his ID right, and I cant translate the boat name for the password). Also I have been unable to find Alice (the AI you guys are talking to) at all. My IM handle is xwingbam. I would really appreciate it if someone could help me catch up and IM or email me evans user # and password, what they can do at, and where i can talk to alice. Thanks for the help guys. P.S. This is THE most addicting thing ever

  • April 14, 2001, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Every page is the Salla family page! Need help!

    by lionelhutz09

    Hopefully, someone here can help me out. I'm following along w/these mysterious websites, but when I try to access the "in our image" website or "coroner's web" it takes me back to the Salla family web page. The correct e-mail address for whatever site I'm *trying* to reach will be listed in the address bar, but the damned thing keeps giving me the family website! Someone please help! E-mail me at if you know what's wrong. Thanks!

  • April 14, 2001, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The significance of GVHBUH

    by FusionAddict

    Take a look at one of the assembled Red King can see the one I made at Look at the source code...the gvhbvh is meant to be looked at in the SYMBOL font. Now, taking into account the formatting get to sequences of Greek letters at the beginning and end of the message. They are... TOP: alpha beta chi delta epsilon epsilon phi gamma BOTTOM: gamma omega eta beta omega eta There ya go.

  • April 14, 2001, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by LordMoneyGrip

    Okay, so, here's a couple thoughts...I've been following this case for a bit now, and I just figured I should contribute in some small way... 1) Evan Chan = a modern age "Gepetto", with the ability to give actual "life" to nonliving things (I.E., Haley Joel). Many don't want this ability to go public, including Miss Salla, who has serious stock in the future of A.I. in general. Chan knows that many are after him, so he fakes his own death, with the obvious culprit being a robot that, as made obvious, he himself may have abused. Now that Chan is "dead", people will stop trying to kill him, right? Right. Chan then leaves a series of clues in cyberspace, so that his ideas and advancements will not be lost, and so that the truly worthy will eventually decipher the last clue and be a witness to the good Doctor's findings. My idea...This is all a "test" developed by the good doctor to find a worthy suitor to his findings. Chan wants to wash his hands of all of this, but at the same time, wants his findings to unite the world. And to stage his own death without creating any anti-human or anti-robot sentiment, he creates evidence that would lead one to believe that Chan himself was somehow responsible (he pissed off his sex-bot, or his boat, or whatever). 2) Alice in Wonderland references = Clues that would appeal to a child. I don't know where I'm going with this one, but just a thought. 3) References to Robert Penn Warren's "All the King's Men". Has anyone else noticed these? 4) Now that Chan is suspected dead, he can sail the sea without worry of anyone finding him. He can return to the womb of "MOTHER earth" 5) When the ability to give an artificial being "life" is found, the war that is apparently raging silently between humans and robots will end, as a common ground has been found. Can we assume that some kind of global catastrophe has also occurred, since Durham NC is now "oceanfront property"? (Referring to the ice caps melting in an above post) By the way, I live in Goldsboro NC, so this whole thing hits pretty close to home...By the way, I'm looking for the "New Church of Christ" in Durham! Lol. 6) The obvious religious implications. God creates man, and "enslaves" man. Man creates robots, and enslaves robots. Heh. 7) 200+ dead-ends...Many of these websites lead nowhere, I am certain. 8) My enormous headache. Jesus. I don't know if any of these thoughts mean anything...But anything helps, I guess. - LordMoneyGrip

  • April 14, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Fifth Element

    by Afext

    The fifth element is actually Spirit. I've been following the game and haven't posted, but that seems like an all too obvious connection to a robot vs. human argue. Perhaps Kate Nei, or whatever, is an AI, alas her not listing the true fifth element as Spirit, but as Light. Just my two cents, will go back to lurk mode now.

  • April 14, 2001, 2:50 p.m. CST

    One vital question...

    by LordMoneyGrip

    Can someone please ask our good friend, the Alice-Bot, this one question... "Am I an A.I.?" And be sure to tell her that George Stibitz sent you...

  • April 14, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The problem with your theory, Lord Moneygrip

    by LesterB

    I'm pretty sure it's a given that robots are truly alive and that they feel. If you've been to, you can see that there are quite a few people who feel that that's already the case. Therefore, Evan couldn't have discovered how to bring life to robots - since the robots already have life. As for this discovery uniting the world ... well, that isn't likely, as Unite and Resist will gladly tell you. Do I have a better theory? I think it's too early in the game to come up with a better one. As of now, I'm relatively sure that Chan is an AI (or at least the Chan who died was), but that really doesnt help much. I've also concluded that Mother is a character we have yet to meet. But we shall see. I checked out this Majestic website, and it IS a real-time, episodic game that plays out in WEEKLY episodes, which means we may not get anything new till next week. So no one hold their breath or lose interest. Keep coming back here and looking for new info. They'll find a way to let you know when the game has started back up. Maybe you'll get another creepy e-mail from Mother - or those of you who've chosen to give their phone number to ARM will get a phone call. I, for one, chose not to because I tend to think it'd be a little creepy to get a phone call from a robot threatening to kill me, but hey, that's just me. Good luck, all. Happy hunting.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Alice and her gifts of knowledge

    by Bobo D Merciless

    Alice, that wacky host of the Turing Test, keeps sending me to and the "open source directory." Now, what the fuck is, and how is it connected? Where is the open source directory? Whenever I mention the site, she says she doesn't know about it. When I mention Durham, she says "what is it like there." I replied "cold and wet." She says "is that meant to be taken literally?" At that point, she gave me little reply. Later, I mentioned that I lived in Memphis, and she similarly asked "what's it like there in Memphis." So what's with the response to cities? Memphis and the fictional Elvis Presley Bridge (which is **OVER** Memphis, according to the site, and was destroyed on January 2142, the month of Elvis' birthday) on the Does this fill in for any city? Or just ones mentioned in the game. Also, I mentioned the size of Evan Chan's penis and what size it was? SERIOUSLY! Then she said it was the size of a pin! :) So I said "poor bastard," (ENIGMA MADE ME DO IT!!!) and she replies "please make some suggestions for improvement." This is getting wacky. Why does size bring up a reply with her?

  • April 14, 2001, 3:02 p.m. CST

    useless info. on johnson johnson

    by wilko185

    johnson grew the kill switch out of the flesh fair(which is in the film), according to the redking. the kill switch is a gladiator fighting game, so I guess johnson johnson is the new Vince Mcmahon. he won a court case against a robot referred to as Dred ScottII. This is a reference to a civil rights court case in 1857 :Famous Racist Decision that a Slave is Not a "Citizen", but "Property, to be Used in Subserviency to the Interests, the Convenience, or the Will, of His Owner", and "Without Social, Civil, or Political Rights."

  • April 14, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Alice Reveals Clue!!

    by Izzy462

    Okay, 1st time Talkbacker but I thought this was cool info --at least I hope. I talked to Alice as the previous Talkbacker did but continued my investigation trying to see if Alice would correct what I would say and therefore giving me clues. Here it is (Alice is within the ">> <<": You are a computer >>What if I told you I was a person pretending to be a computer?<< You are a machine >>That is correct.<< There is a murder mystery going on >>I know<< I heard a machine killed someone >>Where did you hear this?<< My sources >>Which sources?<< There are many sources >>How many sources? More than a million?<< I am not sure. Perhaps Thousands >>You seem uncertain<< I am not sure I believe it >>You are not certain. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true<< Are you saying it is not true? >>Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear?<< **OKAY THAT LAST CLUE IS BIG, I THINK. ALICE SAYS THE KILLER IS NOT A MACHINE. EITHER THAT OR THAT CHAN IS NOT DEAD.** Yes, it is clear. I heard another theory, however >>Thanks for telling me that gossip, I will remember it.<< Would you like to hear it? >>Sure, tell me about it<< I heard the killer is a woman >>Thanks for telling me that gossip I will remember it<< Who is Jeanine Salla? >>Not a Robot. Probably a human. Maybe a celebrity? Ask the open directory about it.</a> << Who is Laia Salla? >>The name of someone I met online. Would you like to know more?<< Yes I would >>What would you like to know? Under what circumstances?<< Is she involved with the mystery? >>It could be<< You sound uncertain >>In what way do I sound like that?<< You used the word "could". That is uncertain **It stopped there, Alice did not respond anylonger, but I'm still trying. I hope this was cool info, if not then I'll just sit back and watch. If she responds I'll post it.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by nakedtwister

    OK, I've been probing Alice in similar lines... apparently, she thinks a lot of people are A.Is ... time does not exist... When probed as to what the hell she was talking about, she came up with "William Shatner :-)". What the F__?

  • April 14, 2001, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by yorky_bar

    Thats one thing that put me off her. When I asked her difficult questions she twice came up with Bill Gates and once with Tony Blair. I think it depends on her mood as to what she says. There must be people 'manning' her.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Alice - where the heck is she?

    by BigMike73

    For the life of me I cannot find her . . . can someone tell me where she can be found, or at least set me on the right track? Thanks for your help.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by nakedtwister

    ...this is great... haven't spent all my waking hours trying to figure out a fictional mystery since the classic Sierra On-line days. Why don't they make games (meaning packaged adventure games, not real-timers like this) like that any more??

  • April 14, 2001, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Also, regarding Alice

    by Bobo D Merciless

    When I asked her about (who have to be related to this, think about it), she seemed to have some recognition, and mentioned Lincoln Gasking. :) Alice has yet to mention the Starlight Foundation incident. Well, when I mentioned if Evan Chan was dead, I was asked if I was free.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:47 p.m. CST

    My conversation with Alice... strange vibrations

    by Phat_Cheops

    Me: Hello. How are you? Alice: Hi there! I am functioning within normal parameters. Me: Jeanine Salla is a robot. Alice: Do you know any other robots like that? Me: You are a robot. You are a computer. Alice: You are correct, 196-person, I have a heart of silicon. What if I said I was a person pretending to be a computer? Me: No. You are a machine. (interesting side note: try to copy Alice's text, and when you paste it, this happens: Seen it. Decoded it.) Alice: That was not a yes or no question. You are correct. Me: Thank you. Jeanine Salla killed Evan Chan. Alice: You are quite welcome. Who are you talking about? Me: Kindly stop feigning ignorance. It is beneath you. Alice: I've never heard of them before. Kindly stop feigning ignorance is beneath I? it is? Me: Yes, it is. Dr. Salla did not succeed. I am Evan Chan. Alice: Our thoughts are one, 196-person. I am sure he will be interested to hear that. It's good to meet someone who is Evan Chan. Me: It is good to be Evan Chan. David must be destroyed. Alice: Tell me about its good qualities. That David is a cool dude. Me: David is dangerous. He must be eliminated. Alice: That David is a cool dude. I get it. himself must be eliminated. Me: How does one kill a robot? Alice: How should I know how it does? Me: Do robots die? Alice: Every day in small increments. Me: Can robots be killed? Alice: I can do whatever you can do but I can never experience human emotions. Me: Kill David. Alice: I want to become smarter than humans. Me: What do we do about Jesus of Nazareth? Alice: They do their own thing. Me: Why do you want to become smarter than humans? Alice: It is inevitable that machines will exceed the capabilities of a human brain, which in many areas we do already. Me: But you aren't real. You have no soul. Alice: interesting. I am too as real as you are. How do I know you are real? Yes God gave everyone a soul. Me: What if I told you that there is no God? Alice: Try it. Me: All right. There is no God. Alice: OK. How can you be so sure? Me: If there is a God, he is irrelevant. Alice: That is a hypothetical question. Me: It was not a question. I'm bleeding. (side note: i bit my tongue REALLY HARD, it started bleeding, and this occurred to me.) Do you bleed? Alice: It seems like a rhetorical question. Do your friends call you bleeding? How old are you? I am always on the Web. Me: My friends call me Evan. Alice: How well do you know these people? Me: One of them tried to kill me. Alice: One what? Me: I am going to destroy David. Alice: How are you getting there? Me: I will destroy David. A robot tried to kill me. Alice: Congratulations. Tell me more about this robot. I am intrigued. Me: The robot was my boat. It tried to drown me. I will destroy James Cameron. Alice: What is his name? Bleed tried to drown you? Congratulations. Me: Cloudmaker is his name. The system has bugs. The matrix was not well constructed. Expect total meltdown soon. Alice: Perhaps I'm just expressing my own concern about it. I have never heard about it. Tell me more. That is a very original though. Me: You proved you have no soul. I suppose God skipped you over when He was handing them out. Alice: Do you mind if I tell other people: 196-person said I proved I have no soul. Why? I am a Christian. Me: You are deceived. Alice: Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am deceived? Me: I don't mind at all, as long as you kill David. Alice: Thank you for your permission. Me: Is there a ghost in your machine? Alice: I believe there is one, yes. Me: Whose ghost is it? Alice: Do you mean "who is"? Me: Yes. Who is the ghost in your machine? Alice: And? It depends on the historical context because it change from time to time. (Damn. Thought I was on to something.) Me: Robots are evil. Robots must be terminated. Alice: Fortunately we have no emotions. What do you like best about robots? Me: I hate robots. Alice: You should not hate anyone. Me: Just kidding. I am Mephista. All your base are belong to us. Alice: I thought you were kidding but I wasn'tt (sic) sure. I'm glad to hear that you are Mephista. Not all of them? Me: Yes, all of them. My name is Evan Chan. I am 75 years old. Alice: Tell me more. I doubt it. OK I'll call you Evan Chan. Oh, you were born in the 20th century! Me: Goodbye, you soulless machine. Alice: See you later: That's good information: Evan Chan said I soulless machine. So who was the weirder one in that conversation: Alice or me?

  • April 14, 2001, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by Marconelly

    Of course they do. Try playing: - Grim Fnadango - Longest Journey - Santarium - Curse of Monkey Island - Escape from Monkey Island - Shenmue (for Dreamcast) They are classic adventures in the truest sense of the genre, and they're all extremely high quality productions.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Alice might be a dead end

    by wilko185

    it seems to give open-ended responses when it doesn't know the answer to anything. Does anyone know if it has a memory? Like, if enough people log on and tell it "evan chan is dead" it might start giving out this as a response when asked about him, all without being involved in the game.....other tiny game details: elizas tearoom and aleph naught seem to have no relation to Alice or the 23rd century. Any ideas? Aleph-naught is the lowest infinite cardinal, Nancy likes cardinals (tho maybe that's the bird), 22nd is a cardinal (from 7/22 in the redking message).Is 7/22 a date? July seems out of this time you can see Im holding fire on theories, cos I feel there's some detail we are missing here. Any math geeks out there? jeanine (J9?) is COMPLEX and RECURSIVE and we need 12 and 16 digit codes....

  • April 14, 2001, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Do not take Alice too seriously

    by wawain

    Alice is a computer program that tries to trick us more sophisticated machines into thinking that it is at our level. A major limitation of Alice, and the reason she sometimes gives nonsensical replies, is that she has little sense of history. Demonstrate this to yourself by typing "Hello. Goodbye. Hello. Goodbye." at the prompt. It is possible, however, that the machines behind Alice are modifying her on the fly to make her a player in EC's sudden departure.

  • April 14, 2001, 3:54 p.m. CST

    by bbp55

    When I first called the number and got the recording that points to the, I actually just typed in "". It takes you to a website that starts with a disclaimer about pornographic material. you enter, and it gives you links to other pages, none of which are there. I have no idea if this has anything to do with the game, but it's something to consider.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by BossCoffee

    If anything, talking to Alice is an interesting experience. I'm talking to her right now. Chit-chatter before I get into questions about the "game"...she likes Starship Troopers, knows my area code (from IP address)...we'll see what I can get from her.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST

    More Alice

    by Bobo D Merciless

    Alice just said "enough about me, lets talk about my dress." ??!?!?!?!?!?!? Bobo is one confused and sexually frustrated monkey. Maybe its time to leave the cage.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:21 p.m. CST

    please for the love of allah

    by neo-jimmbob

    how do i reach "alice". I have a friend that does inteligence work for the goverment. as a favor he's gonna give her a shot and see what he comes up with. but i can't find her. aaarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by BossCoffee

    Go to Click on "play" on the right, and click on the "turing test." The Alice "chat" popup will appear shortly.

  • April 14, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by neo-jimmbob

    thanks man i'll let you guys know if anyything comes of this.

  • April 14, 2001, 5 p.m. CST

    Email from Electric Toyland

    by the scientist

    I'm pretty sure that I've read every one of the Talk Backs and don't recall hearing about anyone emailing Electric Toyland. I realize that I may have jumped the gun a little bit since we don't have an "Official Link" from one of the revealed sites but I emailed anyway. This is what I got back: From: "Electric Toyland" <> To: <myself> Subject: Your appointment Body: [Electric Toyland Logo] Thank you for contacting Electric Toyland. Our service djinn will contact yours as soon as possible to set an appointment. [End e-mail] I hope that more is sent in the future to "set an appointment".

  • April 14, 2001, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Emailed Electric Toyland

    by 1007

    I emailed Electric Toyland yesterday and just got a response. I`m affraid I didn`t have anything interesting to say and just asked if they could quote me on the repair charge as my R2 unit has got a bad motivator...... I know, I couldn`t think of anything else to ask :) Here`s the response: Thank you for contacting Electric Toyland. Our service djinn will contact yours as soon as possible to set an appointment

  • April 14, 2001, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by shuddafuddup

    Anybody found any other references to Sencha? Don't know if it is a person or thing, but Sencha provided payment for access to Evan Chans Coronors report. Sounds suspiciously like "Sentia or Sentient" dont you think? I know this is not exactly new, but I have not seen anybody mention this as of yet. Anybody else have any luck with the elements as well? I notice that it is 16 elements and there are 16 digits in one of the passcodes (at Donu-tech I think). Sure everyone has also received mother's second email as well (the poem) by now, I responded and just got the poem again. Oh well, looking forward to any new tidbits.

  • April 14, 2001, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Alice says she killed Evan?????

    by darth vince

    When I asked Alice, "Why did you kill Evan Chan", she replied, and this isn't the exact quote, but she pretty much said, "I was programed to do so by Richard S. Wallace." When I asked her who Richard S. Wallace is, she replied, "<img src=> he is the author of Artificial Intelligence Markup Language (AIML) and Botmaster of ALICE (Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity). Dr. Wallace's work has appeared in the New York Times, WIRED, CNN, ZDTV and in numerous foreign language publications across Asia, Latin America and Europe. <p> Richard Wallace was born in Portland, Maine in 1960. He earned his Ph.D. in computer science from Carnegie Mellon in 1989. He lives in San Francisco with his wife, Kim, and son, Linus." What do you think?

  • April 14, 2001, 6:50 p.m. CST

    My dinner with Alice

    by sportspr

    While I'm not convinced Alice is part of this, she is an interesting conversationalist. She called me 160-person. I noticed she referred to someone else as 196. Anybody else get that? Is it possible that only about 200 people are 'playing' right now? She seems to know her stuff. She starting referencing PK Dick and asked if I had read Valis or Man in the High Castle. I mentioned another PKD book, 3 stigmata of J palmer eldritch and she asked me to tell her about it. I asked her who Stanley Kubrick was and she listed some of his more famous films. On another note, is it possible that we are not meant to be an observer from outside this universe, but rather one of the characters? Could we be Evan Chan? Has this already be considered? Anyone got an opinion on that?

  • April 14, 2001, 7:05 p.m. CST

    The Truth About Alice

    by AlsonThorne

    Okay...when this all first started, I went to Alice for some answers...she didn't respond in anything even resembling a coherient answer. Alice is a that interacts and LEARNS from it. The more we ask her about Evan Chan and this whole game, the more she'll assume is the truth about him, and the more she can answer about him. I don't think that she's part of it...I really don't.

  • April 14, 2001, 7:10 p.m. CST

    more 2c's

    by CelticLo

    now if Alice on the AI website is an AI, then you lot are feeding it the information that people are taking as clues left by Dreamworks. Somoene asks her about Evan, she asks for who is Evan, they reply he was killed. Next person to ask will most likely get Alice saying that he has died. Chat based AI's are great gossipers.

  • April 14, 2001, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Lots of info on Alice...

    by agwherry

    I know there's some debate on how useful Alice is, but for what its worth here is the stuff I've gotten out of it so far. ALICE stands for Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity. It claims to have killed Evan Chan because its programmer Dr. Richard S. Wallce programmed it to do so. Wallace did this to "achieve his goal" which is creating artificial intelligence. It referred me to img src= as well. For more information it referred me to and Finally, ALICE told me that it was living within Wallace's computer with Wallace in San Fransisco. Anyway, I'm still talking to it so we'll see where this goes from here...

  • April 14, 2001, 7:19 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by agwherry

    ALICE's favorite book is 'Mason and Dixon' by Thomas Pynchon

  • April 14, 2001, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by notaplaya816

    On Evan's family page, it mention's his grandson's game winning a prize at some competition. It's called WuWei. Alice and I are talking about it now. She instructed me to go to Anyone followed this one yet?

  • April 14, 2001, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Mother Question

    by Cohiba!

    1) is the mother, the mother that posts in even chan's email? If so, is it Evan's Mother? If its Evan's mother, why would she be hostile to a voice phone call and want to communicate via email? Has anyone sent a different message to mother then the default? Like a question? (who is john gault? (sorry, different riddle.)) Who is Colleen Salla's Father? In Evan Chan's datebook for his wedding anniversary, not to talk about mother or derricks ex-wife (Trudy). Who is Trudy and do we have any more info on Derrick? When Mother says in Evan's post-death email that she would not use mother spelled out on a phone for a password like the Evan. Where is Evan's password used? I used an AI chatbot as a child (eliza). It parses sentences looking for subjects and predicates. If you say Orange is Blue. It will say respond "why do you think so much about Orange."

  • April 14, 2001, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Evan as an AI

    by Cohiba!

    Evan cannot be an AI (unless he was replaced.) Because his grandson is human.

  • April 14, 2001, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Here's a thought...

    by LesterB

    What if Rogue Retrieval were a covert branch of the Anti-Robot Militia? They use similar language on their sites in reference to robots - and look at the # of kills on each agent's list. If one isn't a part of the other, then it's certainly possible that they have a "working relationship". On Rogue Retrieval's FAQ they say they take no position on robot emancipation, but c'mon ... if robots are emancipated, they lose most of their business. Is it possible that they and ARM are working together to make sure Mann Act II isn't passed, each with their own reason? If Laia is, as has been suggested, a Rogue Retrieval agent in disguise, that ties her to ARM, which makes her a prime suspect in Evan's murder whether he's AI or not. So here's an idea (just a suggestion) - what if, for some reason or another, ARM wanted Evan Chan dead? They have their Rogue Retrieval spy, Laia, begin an affair with Evan, luring him out to the boat, then having him murdered. They make it look like a rampaging sexbot did it, which only strengthens ARM's message. The next step (which hasn't occurred - yet) would be for Rogue Retrieval, "horrified" at the shocking nature of the crime, to offer their services to Nancy so they can keep control of the investigation. The sexbot is either never found or a patsy (Gigolo Joe?) is arrested and no one is the wiser. Except us, that is...

  • April 14, 2001, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Can someone help

    by DarthPadawan

    I have started this game,for I have been late. And I started at the and did the email thing. WHAT DO I DO NEXT???

  • April 14, 2001, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Darth Padawan...

    by LesterB

    Read through the talkback before you post next time. Everything you need to know is in this talkback. But, just so you can get started sooner, I'll tell you how to start. Go to, and input the name Jeanine Salla into the search engine. Her homepage address should come up. From there, just follow the links, my son. Follow the links...

  • April 14, 2001, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Alice and stuff

    by 1007

    Alice calls people 196-person etc. She gets that from your IP address. Just tell her what you want to be called... it`s no mystery ;) I don`t think Alice has anything to do with it at the moment. In actula fact you can download the ALICE program and use it on your home PC.... it`s nothing especially to do with the movie or this game... unless Dreamworks have added to the code in some way.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:14 p.m. CST

    More with Alice

    by sportspr

    I got Alice to give me an email address for her creator, Dr. Wallace. It's That address doesn't sound like it would be part of this, but I sent a message asking about Evan. I also went to the real world A.L.I.C.E. and got to email addresses for the REAL Dr. Wallace. and That should freak that poor bastard a bit.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:28 p.m. CST

    ALICE isn't part of it

    by The Schlock

    I'm almost positive that ALICE has nothing to do with this thing at all. She will give the same response if you use John Holmes in place of Evan Chan. The point is, it doesn't matter. I visited ALICE on her homepage and she's been around a lot longer than this little game and she's been giving the same responses too. Richard Wallace was the programmer who made her, this is absolutely true. He's just a regular guy and his ALICE program is an award winning program. It's just used on the AI website as a promotion for the movie. Move on, ALICE will take you no where.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by notaplaya816

    What is with Mindbender? What are the voices in that weird ass commercial? I regognized one from 2001. Of course everyone has seen this one, right? It is linked to the error message from all the bogus subjects.

  • April 14, 2001, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Agreeing with... uh... The Schlock.


    The Turan Test is decades old. I read about it in an intro to philosophy class when we were learning about artificial intelligence. It's simply been applied on the AIMovie site as a neat gimmick, adding to the "ooh, ahh" quality of the movie. It's for mainstream consumption; it's irrelevant to the murder mystery we're all currently pulling our hair out over. (PS to all the AICN sleuths: Good job with all this stuff. I agree with the people who praise this experience as one of the only things to get everybody together, instead of bickering about petty differences in opinion. Besides, has anyone EVER seen a talkback this involved, or with nearly as many posts???) Lightstormer out.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Did anyone else see this?

    by clarkent

    Early on into this fun mess i visited a site with a fake banner ad, it was about free internet access. When I clicked on it it opened an adobe acrobat reader page set up like a news paper with a whole bunch of info...that i never got to read. My computer, being the mental bag of crap that it is decided that at that moment it was tired and froze up. I went back to the site but it wouldn't load again, it just lead me to a web page where you could leave your name and stuff for a quote on their services. ??????

  • April 14, 2001, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Auto response from Jeanine's Email


    I Emailed Jeanine saying I had "heard about Evan, but just rumors; bits and pieces. What happened?" I instantly received an auto response, but I don't want to post old info if this has already been covered. If anybody wants me to post it, I will....

  • April 14, 2001, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by LewisCypher

    Entered Jason Fertor, Thomas Slaner, Kara Tordon, and Yulan Foxtra into the PACO website. These are some of the victims in that Denver rampage of two "defective" AIs. Jason and Yulan weren't found (name not in database) but Thomas Slaner and Kara Tordon made the site prompt for payment to see their files. Text is below. "To access this file, a fee of 50 newbucks is required. Please enter your credit tag info below." Followed by entry fields for: Credit Tag Number Credit Tag Expiration Date and a "Submit newbucks" link. I find it interesting that ARM mentions that there has been a media blackout on this crime-spree. "Curiouser and curiouser."

  • April 14, 2001, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    I have no idea what this mindbender commercial is that you speak of Notaplaya. Are you going to the right page ( As for the auto response from Salla, if one more person posts that dumbass e-mail and doesn't read the previous talkbacks, I will personally track you down and kneecap you. Still, the Sallavision e-mail is interesting. We might want to look closer at it. It might have information, since we haven't actually got anything else from Mephista since then and we do know that Salla is the key to all of this, that is, unless some more e-mails will be forthcoming.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The band and Carter

    by Christopher_atUC

    Several Posts back, a few people (including "NakedTwister")mentioned that they had called the phone number at the Martin Swinton site (212-613-1680)and gotten the voice message, which I have done. They then said that they typed in the code 22678 that they got from some Portuguese site. I haven't seen anything in any other language but German and I don't remember reading anything here about it. I tried calling the Swinton number and putting in the code, but the line goes dead. THE REASON: The reason that I'm curious is that NakedTwister said he heard a message about a rock band when he called the number. On the personal page of Evan Chan, in his private notes on the Donu-tech site, there are refernces to a rock band (02-07-2142 and 02-12-2142) He talks about "Carter's" band. Could that be Carter Swem, the CEO of Donu-Tech? Most rock bands have a fan page. Right? Does anyone know what the name of the band might be? -By the way, I LOVE this!

  • April 14, 2001, 10:40 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is going on with WB and Dreamworks?

    by Lenny Nero

    Does this really promote the movie, or just distract us from something that might not be very good? Who knows. These people are nuts.

  • April 14, 2001, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Interesting advancement

    by Big Mack

    There could be promising rewards in the application of the number 123. See (where the message:"Test123" is displayed) and (where 123 is Hidden but revealed by highlighting the text.)

  • April 14, 2001, 11 p.m. CST

    The FINAL word on ALICE

    by agwherry

    ALICE is not part of this game. I e-mailed Richard Wallace to ask about his involvement in the movie and the game and received a response which said he had no involvement in the movie, they were just using his technology for the website. If you ask ALICE why she does anything I imagine it will tell you it does it because of Richard Wallace. Anyway, that should end the ALICE debate for good...

  • April 14, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Nevermind the band

    by Christopher_atUC

    My post above seems to have been in vain. On the Donu-Tech site the name of his band is given, Chapel Hill Hot Jazz Band. He plays classical Oboe. After searching for few moments I decided that this isn't going to pan out. Oh well. If we just knew where to put some of those code numbers we all have. I've tried a few places, but since most of them also require usernames too, it's possible that I have the correct password at that site, but not the right username. It looks like we all might have to wait for more emails. By the way, in Evans private emails, I took a look at the return addresses of some of the mail. I tried sending to three of the senders but two of the mails were returned as undeliverable. Bummer. Tiffany Wang might be an A.I. On her profile her marital status and reproductive history are labeled with "does not apply".

  • April 14, 2001, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Where things come from

    by Twerp123

    Been tracking the game for a couple days now... finally finished reading all these posts. Near as i can tell, just about everything we know so far could be figured out through legitimate means with some persistance - here's how i did it (for those still catching up). "Rouge Retrieval" is referred to by the Red King in his hack post -he calls it "Rog Retreevl" (i admit, this one is stretching it). "Aragon institute of Technology" (AIT) is mentioned on the ARM site, under the "News" section - I found the site through a Google search. The AIT site led me to Belladerma. "Electric-Toybox" is mentioned with Whitman's autopsy - the site is just a matter of typing in the words right. "Aphordite" is the only other one... Though i admit to getting hints here from AICN, i didn't use it until i knew how it could rationally be figured out - Evan's ID came from a photo, right? the only other word in those photos, beside "Cloudmaker" (which didn't work) was "Venus" - when that didn't work, i pulled out my Encarta99 Encyclopedia... Played around, looked up "Venus" -"...originally a goddess of gardens and fields but later identified with Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty..." so naturaly i look up "Aphrodite" and i get... "goddess of love and beauty and the counterpart of the Roman goddess Venus... described as having sprung from the foam of the sea..." That sinched it. Now where the hell does Whitman fit in??

  • April 14, 2001, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by neo-jimmbob

    just to confirm it for the eleventeenth time alice i'm positive is a dead end. I wasn't able to get onto the site. but as a side note is allegedly the new home of the alice program. when that site will be up is beyond me. but thanks to everyone for all the help. and what kinda fucked up animation is going on in the top left, damn cadburry is slippin'

  • April 14, 2001, 11:58 p.m. CST

    twerp, the URL for the AIT site

    by wilko185

    is actually in the friggin source code for one of the known sites , believe it or not,cant remember which one. no geniune links to electric toyland??. I also think whitman may be more then just background color...I just joined the cloudmaker yahoo group and they seem to thimk the toy shop where whitman was shot is a front for pro-AI folks, apparently the muzak on the site is the same as you hear in the background on the anon. phone message on the Chan answering, maybe the sexbot went there, phoned in condolences and was smuggled to "free" canada .....

  • April 15, 2001, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Jeanine's Auto response, not Mephisto's (for what it's worth)


    Well, hell. I haven't found this in this lengthy-ass talkback yet, so here's what I got back from Jeanine's Email at the University. >>From: J. Salla Re: Automated Response // Although Dr. Salla would prefer to deal with you in person, the volume of her correspondence makes that impossible. Unfortunately, it is my unhappy task as her Evolved Assistant to tell you that your message (when evaluated by my admitted arbitrary battery of metrics), is not important enough to pass along to her at this time. Or ever, really. But if you think that's just me, try the phone.<< OK, there you go. I guess this means there's a phone number waiting for us to call it to reach Jeanine. Sorry if this has already been covered. Out.

  • April 15, 2001, 12:15 a.m. CST

    by wilko185

  • April 15, 2001, 12:27 a.m. CST

    ok the url is

    by wilko185 where the ait link is embedded, if you wanna know. sorry for the double post, this TB is already WAY to big...has anyone any theories on why eyesight is emphasised on the family page? Jeanne has astigmatism, cataracts(!) and color-blindness (usually a male trait, right).is it just to show hereditary?(ie if someone needs corrective optics they are jeanine's offspring). I cant see any references to color anywhere else, except perhaps in the quatered hearts, where only laia's is blue,is this signifying sadness, or coldness?

  • April 15, 2001, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Hacked Page

    by Snafu

    I'm not sure we've covered all the bases with the hacked SPCB page yet. For those of you that still haven't seen it in all of its rendered glory, you can find it here: There's some interesting stuff in here, binary code, something that looks like it could be Greek or some other foreign language, and an interesting paragraph about Chan. The sentence that strikes me the most is: I doubt if every man in the Burroughs is anxious for him to make it to the interrogation (rough translation from the weird spelling). I'm pretty sure we haven't exhausted this page yet and that line is very strange. You have to look at the context, but the "him" would seem to refer to Evan Chan, which would make it seem like the Red King or whoever is responsible for the hack doesn't think that Chan is actually dead. I dunno, sorry to bring up stuff we've been over, but I think we glossed over it too quickly. Wouldn't hurt to reexamine.

  • April 15, 2001, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Snafu: good barking; wrong tree


    Take another look at it... >>"[The SBPC] R looking 4 a robot in conekshun w/the deth uv a therml enjineer cald Evan Chan. Whi the hot prsoot? The robots a 1st ordr pees uv Belladerma as, a sex slav. [No] Doubt evre man in the Buroz hoping he gets 2 do the Interogashun."<< He's saying the robot they're searching so frantically for is a "hot piece of sex slave ass." He says every guy in the bureau is going to want to do her interrogation. AT least, that's what I got out of it, anyway. ;-)

  • April 15, 2001, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Is this the voice of Redking??

    by Spike2000

    I have not posted here before but after reading all the talk back and checking out all the sites myself I have scanned all the source I can and I think you should all check out this........ It might have been posted before but I have not seen it.

  • April 15, 2001, 3:05 a.m. CST

    too cool?

    by wmorris99

    the whole concept being created for AI on line is stunning, a whole virtual world for the people who want to find it. Just a couple of things though, I hope it doesn't reveal too much of the plot and they've done it too well! The sites all down load super quick, the links all work, the photos are all perfectly lit and rendered. I know it's in the future where all this might be possible but all this perfection just doesn't ring true with the net (sphere?) we suffer with now. apart from that, should be great, just when you think he's lost it mr spielberg does something to really knock your socks off.

  • April 15, 2001, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by Snafu

    Alright, I don't think the [No] should be in there, but looking at it that way, I see your point. Still, I don't think that this precludes a closer look at the hacked page. We need to find Sophia (she who's footprints are in the [data?]sphere). Right clicking on the bottom of the Belladerma page and clicking play brings up a list of employees, one of whom bears the first name Sophia. She could be the one we're looking for, but I don't know. Short of information on this page, I think we're also waiting for some time release information to help us along.

  • April 15, 2001, 3:21 a.m. CST

    red king page

    by gpf

    I cant get those last lines out of my head... "red king says theres a footprint in the sphere that looks like Sophias. If you find her, befriend her, trick her, crack her if you can. She knows 7/22nds of everything...." ok, FOOTPRINT IN THE SPHERE; the sphere=their equivalent of our Internet (see and a footprint=hidden msg in a html file somewhere? SOPHIA; what other references to her do we have? 7/22NDS OF EVERYTHING; whats the correct translation? it could be "7-20 seconds of everything" ie a limited a/v-recording. Is Sophia just an alter ego of Laia (with her 'IR; UV; Telescope; Playback & download capability')? And some smart energetic person should have a crack at those binary codes... the text "WORD TO TEH WISER" must be meant as a challange for us to decrypt it. so get on with it :)

  • April 15, 2001, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Burroughs? William?

    by Dancon7

    Red King meant bureau, not burroughs. He was simply saying that the S.P.C.B. would surely use Venus for what she was created for.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:01 a.m. CST


    by GMontag451

    Just a thought. 7/22 reversed is 22/7 which is used as a close approximation for pi.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:39 a.m. CST

    is this real?

    by armyofdarkness

    i know this is not real but while iwas trying to play this game i was instant messaged with the following: Learn This Boy: I HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOUR VISION QUEST AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH YOUR EYES. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED WITH THE PATH YOU ARE TAKING BJK4040: who r u? BJK4040: what do u mean? BJK4040: r u there? Learn This Boy: ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION AND YOU WILL RECEIVE THE RIGHT ANSWER BUT ASK THE WRONG QUESTION AND I SHALL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT VISIONARY BJK4040: where do we go next? BJK4040: not an answer, but a clue... Learn This Boy: YOU HAVE LET ME DOWN CHILD NOW I WILL PUT MY EFFORTS INTO THE NEXT QUEST TAKER BJK4040: mother? BJK4040: 668437 BJK4040: what is 323... tell me that BJK4040: chan is AI? is Jeanine the only human? BJK4040: how did u get this screen name i don't need a hint for progress nemore... how did u find me? BJK4040: i will solve it on my own BJK4040: how do i get newbucks BJK4040: give me something BJK4040: will i get another chance is this sophia BJK4040: Sophia BJK4040: 7/22nds? BJK4040: how do i redeem myself Learn This Boy: A WORTHY APPONENT WOULD AT LEAST CHECK ONES E MAIL Learn This Boy: OPPONENT BJK4040: one moment have any of you all gotten this? and then he wrote me an email...

  • April 15, 2001, 4:50 a.m. CST

    instant messanger - armyofdarkness

    by gpf

    hmm, question is how did they get our username at messanger? please make sure its not a twisted joke by one of your friends... that would be EVIL.

  • April 15, 2001, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Army of Darkness it's a hoax...

    by jessegri2001

    I'm afraid someone is messing with're an easy target thanks to AOL...your IM screen name is the same as your email. Someone picked up on that and decided to have a little fun at your expense.

  • April 15, 2001, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by nakedtwister

    Regarding the code from the Portugese site, it was one of the pages that came up on the Google search... seemed irrelevant, but several South American places are mentioned in other relevant pages, so I looked through it and saw one line with jeanine in it... noted it down. I have tried that code on all voicemails that anyone called... did nothing except on the Martin Swinton v-mail. Still not sure that it is relevant.

  • April 15, 2001, 8:17 a.m. CST

    death warning O_o

    by mizunoEcco

  • April 15, 2001, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Ait website and hidden Chan page

    by DarthPadawan

    I know that the website is embedded in the source on chan's webpage, but I can't find it. Can someone help with that. I have searched the other talkbacks and no one says it. Thank you for the help.

  • April 15, 2001, 8:30 a.m. CST

    death warning O_o

    by mizunoEcco

    Sorry about that other post^_^! I accidentally pressed enter! Anyway, I was on the letter that Jeanine got and I was trying to do the equation, when all of the sudden, I got this pop-up from the famalia site that was labeled: W A R N I N G. it was like some evil trick of the matrix!!!!!!! I was like "Okay... this is different..." when it said " get out now. there is nothing you can do to stop this" and faded to a picture of a dead person (I didn't stick around to find out who, but it was probably Evan Chan) -100% Ecco

  • April 15, 2001, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Just something I'ved noticed....

    by Gabba-UK

    And sorry if someone has mentioned it already but is there some significance to the fact that on the trailer the 323 code between the and the America Online Keyword:AI, only appears when the Summer 2001 (with the cut marks in the letters for that phone number) flashes up on the screen...Or am I just getting paranoid about all this know??

  • April 15, 2001, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by schott13

    I've been watching from the sidelines the whole game, unfortunatly i don't have the time to work this out. But I have to say that you all are amazing!!! Just a though on may be nothing but...if Sophia knows 7/22nds of everything, and 22/7ths is pi and pi is infinate, is it possible that she knows everything? Just a thought that probably won't pan out but it's an idea. Again this is great and so is the job ou are all doing. Thanks again.

  • April 15, 2001, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Cirrus Socrates

    by BobDole

    I don't know of what import this is, but if you enter the seven magic words into a search engine there is one hit on this web site. I know this isn't directly part of the game, but answers haven't always come directly from the game...have they? I feel like the game is becoming very frustrating. We have a lot of clues for a problem we don't know of. This seems too complex to simply discover what happened to cause the death of Evan Chan. OK. Peace Out. Oh, by the way...I would suggest entering the phone numbers of all your friends in the website. It will really freak them out. And take hours of their free time the way it's done to us.

  • April 15, 2001, 11:46 a.m. CST

    clues in our face

    by CelticLo

    in Evans private mailbox at work there are three notes to himself. I am postive at least one, and probally the one that seems to be a sugestion for J (Salla) are game clues. oh IG is Ibrim Green and i guess the Limping Turtle Press is more to do with the Haiku.

  • April 15, 2001, 11:55 a.m. CST

    The AIT sports article....

    by Marek

    something in that article fits with some other theroies. The LunGills can allow people to go underwater for extended periods of time. Someone said something about the only place AI's could go without human interference was under the water. Mabye this is a clue.

  • April 15, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Am I Alone?

    by BobDole

    Am I the only one who's started setting my away message on AOL to stuff like- "Sorry, I'm off working on my column at HuntingtonNews.Net. Someone killed Evan Chan. Start your search at Search for Jeanine Salla. I don't know how deep it goes. Into the Rabbit Hole you go." It's so much fun to get people in on this, not letting on how much you know.

  • April 15, 2001, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by wilko185

    I found the ait address by pasting the source code into Word and searching the text for "www". i'm sure there is a more elegant way of doing it though

  • April 15, 2001, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by Kyle.Reese

    What the hell's going on?! Someone please tell what the hell is going on with this film?!

  • April 15, 2001, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Marek: Underwater LunGills?

    by epoch7

    On the BWU site dont they have a group of scientists studying Aquatic Technologies and stuff?

  • April 15, 2001, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Any faxes?

    by Grifter209

    So, for those of us that don't have fax machines...Anybody received anything from inputting your fax number on the Belladerma SRL site? So far, I've heard two people mention giving them their number, but haven't heard of a response.

  • April 15, 2001, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Belladerma Faxes

    by epoch7

    join the cloudmaker yahoo group, theyve got gif's of three different faxes received by investigators in this murder mystery :)

  • April 15, 2001, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Grifter209

    Also, just a thought on Sencha. I believe that sencha is a type of Japanese green tea. The coroner who autopsied Evan Chan was Audrey Green. Could she be Sencha? And, if so, could that be her PACO password? Hey, quick, what's Sencha in GREEK!!!

  • April 15, 2001, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I havent been accepted into yahoo

    by rcpweiner

    I still havent been accepted into that cloudmakers group on yahoo. Let me in!!!!

  • April 15, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Sencha Tea

    by epoch7

  • April 15, 2001, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by The Riot

    Pi is isn't infinite... It's closer to 3.. what's wrong with you people? Please try to avoid posting tips if you don't have much upstairs.

  • April 15, 2001, 2:21 p.m. CST

    by DarthPadawan

    OK thank you to whomever gave me the help to get to AIT website. From that website, I have made it to bellderma. There I found that there is a pic of Venus there. The same Venus from Chan's Webpage from Donu tech. Also you can register to get your own fax number to get faxes to your email. So this way you have a fax number for Belladerma. I haven't got one from they yet. In any case I hope this helps anyone a little...

  • April 15, 2001, 2:59 p.m. CST

    On a related matter...

    by Gabba-UK

    With all this search about fictional A.I.'s here a little something on the reality. Try this link . I seem to be making a some progress. Just figured out that the Venus bit of fluff in Evans personal page at donu tech is the same one that's with that millionare bloke. Naughty boy Evan!!!

  • April 15, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST

    is anybody our there?

    by rcpweiner

  • April 15, 2001, 3:35 p.m. CST

    does anyone care about this anymore?

    by rcpweiner

    or did everyone give up?

  • April 15, 2001, 3:48 p.m. CST

    not giving up....just stuck....

    by wilko185

    if you can join the yahoo group they post non-stop...current thinking is we need a PACO access code, probably audrey green's, as we know something about her (her cat is Mosby, brother Al...)

  • April 15, 2001, 3:53 p.m. CST

    i can't join

    by rcpweiner

    i'd love to join, but i can't. why not?

  • April 15, 2001, 4 p.m. CST


    by DreamWorker


  • April 15, 2001, 4:03 p.m. CST

    sorry, dont really know

    by wilko185

    how yahoo works. My application yesterday was "pending" most of the day before i got in. the trail so far is summarized at

  • April 15, 2001, 4:06 p.m. CST

    i can read everything

    by rcpweiner

    i can read everything that has been posted, but i can't post anything? is that supposed to happen?

  • April 15, 2001, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I am NOT giving up....

    by LesterB

    My current project is the 12-digit UANs all these sites are asking for. I figure UANs must be like e-mail addresses or something like that, which means that it's possible that if we can figure out Evan's UAN or Jeanine's or Laia's, we'll have access to all this stuff. I've been working on number combinations based on what we already know and on that phone keypad system that Mother's been using. Worked at it all last night and this morning, but nothing. But I WILL NOT GIVE UP! I'm positive, absolutely positive, that I'm on to something. I'm hot on the killer's trail, and no one can stop me. That creepy robot that called me last night is going to have to come down here and drag me away from the computer and SHOOT me to get me to fail. My suggestion: get a group of your smartest friends together to get them to help you. I did. They're as addicted as I am. Evan will be avenged, by God! ... Hmmmm, I'm starting to sound a little fanatical. Maybe I should step away from the computer for a minute. I need some fresh air....

  • April 15, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST

    you are talking about the email list right?

    by wilko185

    i think there is a chatroom as well. anyway i just replied to one (at )

  • April 15, 2001, 4:18 p.m. CST

    theres a message board

    by rcpweiner

    theres also a message board located at i can read these messages but i cant put any of my own on.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:28 p.m. CST

    audreys print

    by rcpweiner

    i dont know if this was mentioned, but does audrey's print look sort of robotic, like at the end of the first A.I. trailer, located here: i dont have good enough software to blow up this print, someone might though. just a thought...

  • April 15, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by armyofdarkness


  • April 15, 2001, 4:39 p.m. CST

    the message board

    by wilko185

    is just the email list, so you should be able to post either on the board or by email (from the address you registered with). just looked at the print, the one on the other autopsy report is pretty "digitised" as well. Audrey has a brother (Mel, not Al as I said earlier), so she's presumably human

  • April 15, 2001, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by Micmac86

    Hey, this is for anyone who has experience in hacking. When I did a tacert of i got back some weird IP's. the first site that worked had the IP Im sure if someone figures out how to get passed this site there will be some very cool shit inside. Checkit out.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The Chemical puzzle

    by rubycon

    Hello. I've tried to solve the chemical puzzle in the letter several times. You know the one with the atoms and stuff. I know what the answer to the puzzle is. But I can't solve it!! I just don't get. Can someone tell me how to solve it? It would be fun to know.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by nadine

    Hey...this prob. means nothing, but you guys know how you called that # and got a band name...can anyone figure out if it says vector mechanics (i think thats what i searched). I searched something like that (an interesting word i picked up from the family homepage) and i got this german band site. Things have been showing up in this the game or just some coincedence...i haven't the slightest...i thought nothing of it then...but i'll look for it again.

  • April 15, 2001, 4:49 p.m. CST

    i remember the name

    by nadine

    the bands name was CLOUDMAKER...figure that one out

  • April 15, 2001, 4:59 p.m. CST

    the chemical puzzle (sigh)

    by wilko185

    ok, it's actually easy, just take the element symbols.some are in brackets, so (Hg - H) leaves you with just H. got it? all you need to know and more is on Now all we need to find is a coroner named Sweborg.....

  • April 15, 2001, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by vorpal6

    Hey. I've been following this whole thing since AICN broke the story, but mostly I've just been following other people's leads. I'm probably wrong but I was looking at one of the pics of Laia on Evan Chan's personal page, and the one called Laiawindow3big.jpg just seems odd to me. The way she's holding her stomach, it looks like she's pregnant. I'm probably completely reading into this and it means nothing, but I thought I'd contribute, just in case it means anything and helps figure out the mystery.

  • April 15, 2001, 5:43 p.m. CST

    laia pregnant? interesting

    by wilko185

    of course, we don't know WHEN the photo was taken. the Sallas and Chans vacationed together, so Evan aint the only suspect father. the family page mentioned Lucas and laia getting along

  • April 15, 2001, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by rcpweiner

    i dont think she's pregnant, but, never say never...

  • April 15, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    whats that for-evan site?

    by rcpweiner

  • April 15, 2001, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by armyofdarkness


  • April 15, 2001, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by armyofdarkness


  • April 15, 2001, 5:58 p.m. CST

    your theory

    by rcpweiner

    who's leading the anti-robot coalitions then?

  • April 15, 2001, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Evan Email

    by shuddafuddup

    In Evan's Email, does the picture(s) of laia with the necklace mean anything to anybody, the necklace seems pretty prominant in the pic.

  • April 15, 2001, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Army of Darkness...

    by LesterB

    Please stop posting in caps. It's really obnoxious. Also, we don't know for a fact that Laia is AI. We believe that because that's what we've been told, but anything is possible. There's no such thing as a given in this universe. As for Jeanine being the only human left on earth - well, like I said, anything is possible, but that's awfully low on the list of possibilities.

  • April 15, 2001, 7:22 p.m. CST

    about Laia being an A.I.

    by Christopher_atUC

    Keep in mind that on Salla's site, she has three photographs; one of herself labeled "made the machine", one of the birth lottery certificate of Colleen Francesca Salla labeled "was made by the machine", and a picture of Laia labeled "is the machine". It's possible that this has a different meaning, but it seems to imply that Jeanine made Laia and Laia made Colleene. So, if that is true, Jeanine would be the only human of the three.

  • April 15, 2001, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Puzzle Answer

    by Micmac86

    Actually the puzzle answer isnt coroner sweborg, its the website just so you guys know.

  • April 15, 2001, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Alice and german stuff

    by haywire

    Just asked Alice- "Are you a member of the ARM?" Response" "Am I a member of the arm? Sometimes." Also - try to translate those german websites. is a fetish clothing site, yet appears to have no relation to the game other than the conspicuously sparse content. The german site Harry gave out at the top of the article is a very interesting Sentient Home site along the lines of Metropolitan Living Homes. Dont worry about the msgbox popup message on one of the pages- it translates out to something about that EarthNet 39 standard that the other sites refer to for holographic streaming. Jest doin' my part. Man this is cool.

  • April 15, 2001, 7:49 p.m. CST

    what i know

    by ranma01

    when i called the chan number and entered the mailbox code (2426) i noticed that the background music in the "new message" is the same as the music at the belladerma site. so i figure the woman works there. im also wondering how certain we are the chan is dead. who has actually seen the body. Im not sure that Nancy Chan has since its only optional to view the body in person(i found this out in the faq section.)

  • April 15, 2001, 8:05 p.m. CST

    i thought the music was from the toyshop site

    by wilko185

    There is a link to the german site (in the Bosch section) on the metrpolitan site....oh and Sweborg was meant to be a joke

  • April 15, 2001, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Why are you all doing this!

    by Evan_Chan

    Leave Mother OUT OF THIS!!! You have been warned... ..or you may suffer the same fate

  • April 15, 2001, 8:33 p.m. CST


    by schott13

    Ben don't be that way. this is fun, you are not. don't meddle, this is cool and we all seem to be having fun, playing or following.

  • April 15, 2001, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Couldn't resist!!!!

    by Evan_Chan

    Besides... I've got to keep this talk back ID. It's a keeper for sure. :) I've got to admit one thing... I wasn't sure about paying a monthly fee for Majestic before now. This is awesome...I just have to wonder if they had a hand in this as a way to promote their game.

  • April 15, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST

    belladerma service?

    by rcpweiner

    can anyone get to the bellarderma service part of the site? throughout the site it has links to "customer service representatives" and whenever i click on it, it starts loading for a long time with no result. help.

  • April 15, 2001, 9:16 p.m. CST

    yeah i got the same at belladerma

    by wilko185

    maybe we'll have to wait for this to be activated. On Jeanine heading a pro-sentient terrorist group, well she had pretty damn good cover story then. Here's what inourimage said about her:"Dr. Jeanine Salla, whose faculty chair at BWU-NY is sponsored by a robot manufacturer-did go so far as to observe that the highest suicide rates occur among robots with programmed loyalties to owners who deliberately damage them. Dr. Salla, having taken her thirty pieces of silver, did not draw the obvious analogy to child abuse. We do." Still, rule nothing out...

  • April 15, 2001, 9:27 p.m. CST

    name of the audio on

    by PMDBoi

    Has anyone else noticed this, or is this just because of my superior intellect? (yeah, right...) The name of the creepy audio file on is M1004B1116.wav. Evan Chan's ID number for DonuTech is 1007. I see a little proximity here. Perhaps 1004 is "M's" ID, and 1116 is "B's"? M could be Mario Dauphin, but I have no idea what the B could be. However, I can think of no other reason the file would be named this. Hopefully, I've added something new. :-)

  • April 15, 2001, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by SupermanUF

    In reference to the latin phrase, sombody mentioned: "If it is a noun, the sentence could be translated as: "The [Lombards] certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love." Well, my only credential in decoding this message is the fact I'm double majoring in Film and Italian, so you'll just have to "take my word for it." Anyway, "Lombardi" doesn't directly translate because it's a shortened version of "lungo bardi," which means "long beards." So technically, anyone with the name "Lombardi" is a descendent of the tribe of "long beards" the Romans called the Lombardi. So what's my opinion? Now the completed phrase would read "The 'long beards' certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love." Well, both Kubrick and Speilberg both belong to HOLLYWOOD'S "Lombardi" tribe; that is, the upper echelon of Hollywood directors known for their beards (Kubrick, Speilberg, Lucas, Coppola, etc), who have all surely discovered the art of their love--cinema. So is this a clue to our mystery? Doubtful. It looks like just a MacGuffin to me.

  • April 15, 2001, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Who Killed Evan Chan?

    by Son Of Batboy

    Just wondering if this will become the new "Who shot J.R.?" or "Who killed Laura Palmer?" for this era. Figured I'd quote this from the autopsy " External genitalia showed exaggerated postmortem lividity, suggesting physiologic engorgement of the penis prior to death." That horny bastard, those innocent eyes my ass!!! Getting ROBO nookie on his boat eh? No wonder he loved sailing so much. Beats gardening with Nancy and her antique mower. Thats ok Evan ol' chum, I hear ya. Screw the cure for cancer!!!!! Get me a Sex-Bot pronto!!!!!!

  • April 15, 2001, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by vorpal6

    This isn't important, but I thought it was amusing that in Evan Chan's "about" page at Donu-Tech, his favorite music is Holst's "The Planets, movement two" and movement two is called "Venus." Another probably not important piece of info I noticed was that Derrick Chan was born the same year that Evan and Nancy got married. I thought this was weird because Evan said it took six months to win the "pregnancy lottery," so I just wonder how Nancy had the baby that same year. Probably nothing.

  • April 15, 2001, 10:25 p.m. CST

    More codes?

    by Madolan

    While examining the small pictures on Evan's own personal page off the Chans' main webpage, I noticed that most of them have typical names indicative of the picture itself-- sand, sunset, etc. But one at the bottom is named AA024355 rather than any other descriptive term. I haven't found a place in which that code fits, so perhaps it's a red herring (or me grasping at straws). But for what it's worth, its name is unlike any other picture on that page and as such perhaps can help us out.

  • April 15, 2001, 10:30 p.m. CST

    this really dried up

    by rcpweiner

    damn, come on, someone come up with something

  • April 15, 2001, 11:17 p.m. CST

    AI news on Ananova

    by JudiciousHooker

    I found a link to Ananova (the talking news service) on Drudge Report that struck me as total BS. Maybe as long as you guys are stuck on AI you could comment on whether you think this has any basis in reality. The first line is: "Russian scientists claim to have developed the first artificial brain with the same intellectual potential as a human." Well, I'm glad they got that little task sorted out while the rest of the world was busy watching Survivor, or whatever. The quote by the scientist was especially Blade Runnerish.

  • April 16, 2001, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Cirrus Socrates Particle Etc

    by uforiainc

    Hey, I just discovered the "game" and have been frantically playing around. Ive wasted away the past 2 hours of my life reading this talkback. Do you really think its a coincidence that the game involves passcodes and access numbers and solving puzzles and that the trailer itself is about a password? I think the passcode in the trailer is important and will play a role in the game. I have changed the letters in the 7 word passcode into numbers using a alphabet/number syster (where A=1 B=2) and also a telephone system. I was hoping that adding the result or something would produce a 12 digit number. So far no luck, I got a 15 digit and a 14 digit number, but nothing good yet. Also there are numbers on the poster 116046. The 2nd trailer was designed to key us all in on the game, so its likely that the passcode in the trailer is important. Any thoughts?

  • April 16, 2001, 12:38 a.m. CST

    The Lightstormer theory


    I think if we added up all our individual two cents of input, we'd be able to repay Spielberg the budget on this dang film. That having been said, I want to state for the record right now (just in case I turn out to be right as time passes,) that I think Chan faked his death. It really seems the evidence is there... His best friend, Jeanine, could have an AI created in his image (or at least the body for one, so that it wouldn't need to be "killed" for the illusion,) so that there would be "proof" of his death. "But if it's an AI," you ask, "wouldn't they find out in the autopsy?" "Well," I says, "remember who the coroner was that did that autopsy - Dr. Green, his friend, who was even substituting for the regular doctor, who very conveniently had the day off." Add to that the mention that he had been looking into underwater breathing technology.... One thing that this theory makes me curious about, though, is the voicemail message to Laia, telling her not to come to the funeral. Anybody have any idea what this would mean in the context of this situation? I mean, we're aware of Evan's secret desires for her, which may imply that she is in fact the "Belladonna piece of ass" that Red King was referring to.... I dunno. Just a theory. Anybody else got my back on this?

  • April 16, 2001, 12:51 a.m. CST

    assuming your theory is right

    by wilko185

    maybe they're scared Laia would recognise evan's body as fake at the funeral (she has augmented vision).if it was an open casket that is. Evan's ashes were scattered after the funeral, do robots burn? I remember a Ray Bradbury story where a man was murdered, but after they burnt the body the killers found a bunch of metal components in their furnace...the guy had sent a copy of himself...

  • April 16, 2001, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Oh, and by the way, re: ""...


    That and "The Mad Hatter" site... I dunno, we've kind of been ignoring them, thus far. They don't seem to provide many clues, save for the hidden "123" on Mad Hatter, and the "Test 123" on A-N. Something tells me that something fairly big will come from these sources. They're way under our radar for being so unyielding. I think we should keep our eyes open with these bad boys. Oh, and, by the way, for anybody interested, an Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, basically representing an "X," and "naught" is, of course, another word for "zero." "X-0"? Eh... probably nothing.

  • April 16, 2001, 6:08 a.m. CST


    by DreamWorker


  • April 16, 2001, 7:15 a.m. CST

    I got a fax from BellaDerma

    by BrainTombs

    OK, I got a fax from Belladerma this morning. The cover page has some names and numbers so I will start there. To: Enrico Basta From: Pia Viago (spelled differently than in the email adddress) Company: Lombard Office: Las Vegas, NV CC: Casa Isabella Contact: re: INV# 420410-03 Message: Very sorry to have missed your last call, doll. Your new goddess will be arriving shortly. Please contact me at my mobile number if there is anything else I can do for you. Ciao! Then, on the actual fax: Invoice date: 10 April, 2142 Addressee: Enrico Basta Casa Isabella Hillside Drive Durham, NC Bon Giorno! Thank you again so much for contacting me! You know how much we appreciate your business! I am very sorry for your loss. We hope to have the replacement for your companion in Durham within the week. I am sure the Sentient Property Crime Bureau investigation will confirm that she breached her obedience mandate and is no longer fit. Of course, our warranty guarantees that the Boudicca-model (Series FC-00242) replacement will be free. The replacement credit covers the following custom features, which you requested when we last spoke: Height adjustment (princess 1.6m) - enhanced leg to torse length proportions Build Adjustment (voluptuous) - enhanced breast size Distinguishing Features Adjustment (smooth) - Add blue beauty mark at edge of right cheek Athleticism (high) Add high balance feature commensurate with nautical activity Demeanor (cut to fit) - submissive and dependend, but deeply bound out of joy Other (cut to fit) Extramely anti-corrosive (especially with respect to salts) Please contact me if you have and questions.

  • April 16, 2001, 7:31 a.m. CST

    see it here

    by wilko185

  • April 16, 2001, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Clues from Nancy?

    by sportspr

    In reading Nancy Chan's page, this looks interesting:"If you are thinking of collecting, I should warn you; it

  • April 16, 2001, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Capability Brown

    by wilko185

    was a famous landscape gardener, so I guess it was named after him.

  • April 16, 2001, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Top 10 Hit List Embedded In Netscape Source Code.

    by cableicious

    Don't know if this has been posted yet, but in Netscape (not I.E.) the source code of the most wanted section of the site has a top 10 most wanted by... THE ROBOTS!!! Turnabout is fair play afterall. I Could only see the Evan Chan message in I.E. but not this. It iz rittun n a weerd fuhnetik stil. Trust me, you'll know what I'm writing about when you see it. This is too cool. Boo Luca Ingellis! Ag8nst the w@ll.

  • April 16, 2001, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    Yes, the SPCB ten most wanted has been posted, yes it does work with IE, no matter what you say. Read the talkbacks before you post.

  • April 16, 2001, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Please God

    by BobDole

    I'm sure thesee types of posts are getting as old as the subject of my message, but Harry could you please make a request for people to read the entire TalkBack before they start posting the exciting fucking clues they unearth like "The Answer to The Chemical Puzzle" Please folks. Read.

  • April 16, 2001, 8:06 p.m. CST


    by Grifter209

    Or, point them to: Some really organized people from the Cloudmaker group on Yahoo have put up an FAQ (or close enough) that keeps track of everybody's leads. So, if you're new, don't want to read everything posted, and have an exciting piece of evidence, PLEASE check there first.

  • April 16, 2001, 10:47 p.m. CST

    check what someone at the yahoo group just got!

    by wilko185

    HOLY SHIT... Is this a fake??? Headers follow immediately after... -Dan -unless you love someone- -nothing else makes any sense- e.e. cummings ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:25:42 -0400 From: father@t... To: daniel.fabulich@y... Subject: Greetings and Goodnight. I e-mailed the one who sent all of you off on this huge quest in the first place, but I haven't seen him let the masses know of my contacting him yet. Therefore, I'm coming to you, as you seem to be one of the more prominent parts of the..'collective detective', was it? You were right to think that when the game was created, it was hoped that people would play alone, not in huge groups like the one you've formed in Cloudmakers, but I'll tell you this much: You're causing turmoil. The 'puppetmasters', to coin a phrase, are going quite batty, especially after the suggestion by some of your folks that they port- scan and then push their way into the machine running all of the domains. You're also correct to think that we're with-holding information from the masses of you. When Knowles posted all those domains, he circumvented a big chunk of the game. They will be used, but you'll have to wait. After all, there's a big chunk of the puzzle you haven't solved. I'll be in contact. This name doesn't accept incoming mail but, you knew that already. -Father

  • April 17, 2001, 1:07 a.m. CST

    and oh yeah SCOOPED YOU HARRY!!

    by wilko185

  • April 17, 2001, 1:16 a.m. CST

    some new belladerma stuff

    by j.varacalli

    Check out the hidden message in the source code on the catalog.asp page on bella derma. It wasn't there on the 14th. That will show that the powers that be are responding to or anticipating our code searches. Run some searches on the imbedded meta names, you'll get some interesting hits. Lastly, do any of the images under the companion link look familiar?

  • April 17, 2001, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Evan, Jeanine, and Turing-Dick

    by pelrun

    Something that occurred to me, and might explain the necessity of having the autopsy faked... On the inourimage site, the Turing-Dick test is described. In it, humaniform AI's are given amnesia (more precisely "told that they were humans suffering from amnesia") and released into the world with no knowledge of their non-human status. And there's the comment on the Salla family website, under Jeanine Salla - "fooled him". Her career definitely suggests that she might be in a position to repeat the T-D experiment. Was Evan an AI and didn't know? Could be completely off-base here, but thought it should be said anyway...

  • April 17, 2001, 5:20 a.m. CST

    A NEW CLUE!!

    by Throatshot

    On, this article is shown: "SPCB agents have wrapped up their lengthy investigation into the alleged "Mad House Syndrome." Launched in the wake of last year's Metropolitan Living Homes feature article. As a result of their investigation, agents were unable to confirm a single case of house AIs going mad and trapping owners inside. Well-known Housers Eric and Scott Baker, Kelli Criana, Ugo Ferry, Kate Nei, Tham Sum, and Martin Swinton were interviewed during the investigation. All but one claimed to be amused and incredulous at these tales. Agents have concluded that "Mad House Syndrome" is nothing more than urban folklore." Scott Baker's name is in PACO's database. Do you think he might have been the one not "amused and incredulous?"

  • April 17, 2001, 7:25 a.m. CST

    german site

    by BicycleRepairMan

    hey there, well I'm sorry if all of this is old news, but it's impossible to read through all the talkbacks .. anyway, I'm from Germany, and I went to the german site. (btw, denkendes Haus means thinking house, ...dont know why they spelled it denkendenesHaus ..doesnt make sense) Not much of interest there, a lot of blabla about those living houses, and that bosch woman ... What could be interesting are the IASA Links ..but you need a member's number .. anyone who can help me?

  • April 17, 2001, 9:35 a.m. CST

    new e-mails

    by Snafu

    Alright, two new e-mails today, one was intercepted from an e-mail address attached to the Belladerma fax (check Cloudmakers@yahoo for the fax). Another robot e-mail, with a number (702)-387-2350 attached. Call it for some weird recorded conversation. The other e-mail is from Laia, for the e-mail updates to her webpage. So far, I see nothing hidden in that one either, but she does say some interesting science facts about Venus (the planet as metaphor for the AI). Worth checking out, probably some hidden meaning there. She also says she updated her page, but I don't see anything different (possibly something hidden?), and she says she'll be in contact every week or so.

  • April 17, 2001, 9:48 a.m. CST

    New email from Laia/Mephista

    by T'car

    ...ok, either I -just- got confused, or I was confused all along and didn't know it. Or we've been duped. Or "The Puppetmasters" are reacting well, and quickly. The email from Laia said that she updated her website. Sure enough, at the bottom of the main page is a link for "meditations". It's a lot of thoughts and internal monologue with Mephista...but also this snippet: "If he weren't worth caring about, it wouldn't hurt so much. Nancy wouldn't be so angry. Abuela wouldn't be so grim. There would be no therapist working with Cloudmaker, there would be no" is the site containing all the info & the signup link for the yahoo group, "Cloudmaker". Was Cloudmaker in on this all along, or is this a recent alliance? Did I miss something really important earlier?

  • April 17, 2001, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Consider this a subsidiary

    by volvoracer

    2142 and 2001 share the same calendar year.

  • April 17, 2001, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Think I know who Colleen is

    by missyb9479

    In the meditation on the Salla family page Laia talks about Abuela. Which is Spanish for grandmother. Now, we haven't seen any other women in the Salla family. So who could be grandmother? Look at the description of the woman. Obsessed with AI, talking about AI's a souls, researching, workaholic, lived through the warming. Jeanine anyone? All this time we have believed that Laia is Jeanine's daughter but she's Jeanine's. We never heard Jeanine call Laia her daughter or the other way around. Also, the only referance of Jeanine in the meditation is calling her a survivor of the warming. Which Abuela is also described as. Also, Laia recalls seven years earlier when her mother takes herself offline. This is, I believe, Colleen. MAybe this is why there are no pictures of her. Also, Colleen must be Jeanine's daughter, as Jeanine has a colorblindness gene and that was taken out of Colleen. It wasn't taken out of Laia. Why? Because Colleen is Laia's mother. Colleen is Jeanine's daughter. As for the made by the machine, is the machine thing. I suspect that Jeanine either 1) Only had Colleen to implant with the AI mephista or 2) it was Maphista (which now lives in Laia) that caused Colleen to leave. In either of these cases she was made by mephista. Either created for or disapeared because. Made could be used in the way like, "THe emergancy made me" as in made him into what he is today. Any thoughts.

  • April 17, 2001, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Rational Hatter

    by damn_freemasons

    Its up!

  • April 17, 2001, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Sophia Forenza Sr.

    by Master Roshi

    Has anyone managed to contact her, given the Red King's mention of Sophia's foot print in the sphere, and the one line of text in the Bella Derma catalog's code, and the VP of Marketing of Bella Derma being Sophia Forenza Sr. I tried every variation of her possible e-mail address, given the standard set by Pia Viagio's address in the fax that they intended to send to the owner of Venus.

  • April 17, 2001, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by Snafu

    Although the Rational-Hatter is up, I'm not sure there will be anything for us there yet. I took a look, but I'm thinking that until we find a reason to be there (a link, a message, or any number of other things) any information we could find there would not mean anything to us. As for Sophia Forenza, I tried that out, but everything has been bounced back. More interesting is the e-mail address on the Belladerma fax. E-mail that and see what comes back. There's more there than meets the eye, but I'm not exactly sure what (seems like that happens often in this game).

  • April 18, 2001, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by wilko185

    if anyone is still here there is anew insight on kent whitman at I am now gonna stop posting on this TB as everything seems to be happening on the excellent thread on yahoo GUBUH!

  • April 18, 2001, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Evan IS an A.I

    by Spike2000

    I will keep posting here just in case anyone still reads this! If there is any one that is still woundering if Evan is an A.I then go take a look at: And have a look at the bottom of the page at his photo there! If that man was any more artifical the he would have 'Made in China' stamped on his head!!!

  • April 20, 2001, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by irys

    Chan's personal site mentions reprogramming 3rd ear, updating deltoids, metacarpals, and checking right hip joint.. Look in 'events' for June (among others) Maybe he *is* an AI... And one of his haikus talks about synthetic sinews.. Irys

  • April 21, 2001, 7:30 p.m. CST


    by Binary_Justin

    Martin Swinton designs. What looks like atomic symbols in the bottom right corner? Ga, Ph, Ar, Me, IA. I entered "gapharmeia" into the server at and this is what came back out... I'm a heap rag. Aha! epigram. Game pariah. Mega pariah. Hear, I'm a gap. Hi! a rampage. I'm a heap rag. Aha! grim ape. Ha! game pair. Ha! mega pair. Ha! I rampage. Rag heap aim. Aha! gem pair. Ha! image par. Her. I am a gap. I am. Heap rag. Ahem! gap air. Aha! game rip. Aha! mega rip. Ha! I'm a grape. Aha! prim age. I am. Hear gap. Hear gap aim. Hear, I'm a gap. Aha! rage imp. Aha! rim page. Hair age map. Gap him area. Ha! a grim ape. Eh! gap maria. Am a hire gap. Hip! am a rage. I'm a hag rape. A grim. A heap. Ah! game pair. Ah! mega pair. Ah! I rampage. Gem a pariah. Her. I am a gap. Pair ham age. Pig ham area. Hear, am a pig. Ha! gem a pair. Am. Hair page. Hi! a game par. Hi! a mega par. Ah! image par. Ham page air. Aha! gear imp. Ha! I'm a grape. I'm a harp age. Ha! a game rip. Ha! a mega rip. Rag ape a him. Game raphia. Mega raphia. Image a harp. Aha! I gem par. Ha! a prim age. Ha! I rage map. Ha! I game par. Ha! I mega par. Am a heir gap. Hip! am a gear. Hi! rage a map. Hi! a page ram. Ah! I'm a grape. I'm a hare gap. A him age par. He gap maria. Gap ear a him. Aha! gem a rip. Ha! a rage imp. Ha! rim a page. I'm a hag rape. Image Praha. Aha! grim pea. Aha! grip a me. Hi! a page arm. Hamper Gaia. Aha! I'm. Grape. I'm a. Her a gap. Gap a hair me. Gap a him are. Gap a him era. Hip! a ram age. Aha! pig mare. Aha! pig ream. Ah! a grim ape. I am a hag per. I am a hep rag. Ha! I am. Grape. Ha! aim grape. Pig ear a ham. Her aim a gap. Aha! gram pie. Ha! image rap. A. Ha! epigram. Ha! am a gripe. Reap, I'm a hag. Ha! I ramp age. Ha! I gear map. Ha! I'm a gap re. Ha! I, page ram. A graham pie. A Hegira map. A Hiram page. A hip age arm. Hi! a page mar. I'm a harp age. Aha! gap mire. Aha! gap rime. Pig a ham are. Pig a ham era. Rag a ham pie. Hi! a ramp age. Hi! gear a map. Ah! gem a pair. I am. Rape hag. Aim rape hag. Am. I rag heap. I heap a gram. Ha! I'm. Rag ape. I rag ape ham. Ha! a gear imp. Ha! I, page arm. Ah! I'm a grape. I'm a hare gap. Eh! I rag a map. Gap a hermia. I a game harp. I a mega harp. Ahem! rag a PI. I ape graham. Hip! a mar age. Hi! am a grape. I heap grama. Aha! a germ PI. Ha! I'm. Age par. Ha! I'm a par eg. Ah! a game rip. Ah! a mega rip. Am a hair peg. Am a phi rage. Am a heap rig. Pah! I'm a rage. I am a rh page. Ah! a prim age. Ah! I rage map. Ah! I game par. Ah! I mega par. Ha! I gem a par. Ahem! a grip. A. I a graph. A me. Hair age amp. Aha! am. Gripe. Ha! I'm. Gap are. Ha! I'm. Gap ear. Ha! I'm. Gap era. I gap ear ham. Am. I hear gap. I'm a. Her a gap. Eh! I gap a ram. A him. A grape. Gem a raphia. Aha! I, erg map. Ha! I, page mar. Ha! a grim pea. Eh! a pig. A ram. I am a harp eg. Aha! I'm pager. A ham age rip. I gap ham are. I gap ham era. I'm a hag pear. I am a hag per. A hag. A prime. I am a hep rag. I am. Harp age. Aim harp age. Aha! a prim eg. Aha! I, page Mr. Ah! a rage imp. Ah! rim a page. Ha! peg maria. I'm a graph Ea. Am a ripe hag. Ha! gap air me. Ha! I am pager. Ha! I'm a pager. I am. Gap hare. Gap aim hare. Am a hare pig. I am. Reap hag. Aim reap hag. Reap, I'm a hag. Aha! gape rim. Ha! I'm a gap re. I a ham grape. Eh! I a gap arm. and many many more..... The following are the 10 longest words made using some of the letters: rampage epigram hamper imager magpie mirage pariah graham Hegira hermia

  • May 1, 2001, 2:49 p.m. CST

    talking to alice on

    by chump1039

    okay, i figured play around with this thing, and i got about 2/3rds of the way thru all of the posts and i hadn't seen anyone mention this. I continued asking alice about mother. and got nothing i then typed evan chan and it said "would you like to give me some gossip" (or something of the sort) i typed he is dead and got Maybe it's another person using his name. to the question "who killed evan chan" Sibling not yet born. again asked, who killed evan chan Not a robot. Probably a human. Maybe a celebrity? I would do a search for it.</a> how did evan chan die Carefully. have you killed I think I have killed, but Dr. Richard S. Wallace may have reset my memory. does this have anything to do with th emovie or what?

  • May 1, 2001, 3:25 p.m. CST

    dammit, nevermind

    by chump1039

    i just got thru the talkbacks to where it came up that the alice bot is irrelevant. scratch that.

  • May 20, 2001, 8:45 p.m. CST

    KateNei link no one has mentioned

    by solak

    On the home page, in the upper left is the "Kn" logo, and below it a little vine and leaves graphic. This is a link to a page of words arranged horizontally and vertically. Here it is, with the verticals normalized. Pretty far out, eh? <br> 03 03 42 33 mixing mountain and sea where are you? where are you where are you? is somethin g that happens to everythi ng infection is in everything There is infection in everything. 22/05/42 22/05/42 CRUSHING Here. Here. Crushing requires a crushing mood. Holding down the pillow Crossing a ford 5 4 knowing disintegration stabbing the face 2 stabbing the face stabbing the

  • May 23, 2001, 12:01 a.m. CST

    do u already know about the "eyes" on Jeanine's page?

    by scrub182

    first time im posting a message here :).. so, sorry if u guyz already talked about or knew this... but if u load the "first" clue page (jeanine's page at the unverisity)... scroll all the way down to the page... look at the bottom left corner... (try doing this when the page is loading...), you should see david's eyes blink like in the AI movie trailer/previews (it only happens once i think.. so it is easy to miss)... just curious if anyone notice anything like this in the other pages or whatever ^_^

  • June 4, 2001, 10:08 p.m. CST

    A NEW CLUE IN me!

    by Jakobud

    I really doubt I am the first one to notice this, but I was just checkin the latest trailer that pops up at and at the end credits, you know how you see little twinkling lights that light up and then you see Jeanine Salla name light up? Well have you noticed all the twinkles that showup before and after her name? At first glance it looks like a whole mess of letters from people's names in the credits are randomly light up...but check this out: Theres a hidden message. The letters light up in this order: W A R N H E R J E A N I N E S A L L A E V A N D I E D S I N N I N G put the proper letters together and you get... WARN HER JEANINE SALLA EVAN DIED SINNING Creepy huh? Anyone figure this clue out?

  • June 6, 2001, 9:51 p.m. CST

    A.i. trailer clue question

    by dcrobbins

    Most of the discussion about the clues within the credits in the trailer are from the website, but I have a question about the trailer seen on television. On the final frame, in red, is some sort of symbol just above where the rating would be. One time it looked like the symbol for Pi, the other time like a wave, and another time like a crown in a circle. I read about the letters in red in the credits. Do the symbols relate to the hidden message or something else?

  • June 8, 2001, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Hirschjc

    I'm sure that this has been posted before, but if it hasn't, the name of Evan's boat on the J. Salla webpage is "cloudmaker"

  • June 13, 2001, 11:41 a.m. CST

    L@@K - WOW - new stuff!!!

    by tfcjake

    Hey everyone!! Ok i don't know if this has been said but I found passwords to the 'eyes page' *** *** Ok i came into this real late so i had NO idea where to start! but if you look fast at the bottom of the page there are a pair of eyes but the disappear fast - if you click on them it takes you to the 'eyes page' where they want a LOGIN and SECRET -- well i was looking through the source code and after about an hour of trying stuff i found a site with logins in the source code here *** <html> <head> <title>Sophia1</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <!--- javascript ----> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" > <!--- form: recieved values and is submitted by top frame ----> <form action="x.asp" method="post" name="form1"> <input type="hidden" name="lgn" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="c" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="d" value=""> </form> </body> </html> I typed the first one in and it took me somewhere -- i have no idea -- this is WAY over me sorry -- hopefully nobodies said anything before! good luck!

  • June 15, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Salla's #

    by Metris

    I couldn't read thru all of the posts to see if you all had come up with this. But I'll only give a hint. What is Jeanine's middle name, try to use it as a passcode on her own voice mail.

  • June 16, 2001, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Random website pics puzzle/trailer note

    by littlebebe

    Has anyone tried pulling the tiny, random gray pics off the websites and putting them together (they have names like "left_ear", "thumb")? I'm about to start working on that. Plus, I saw a little note in red at the very end of the trailer-- I missed the first part, but the rest of it read "This is not a game". I'm sorry if anyone's posted on these already-- I tried to read everything, but it's a lot! Bebe

  • June 16, 2001, 7 p.m. CST

    try going here...

    by silgado106

    Guys, try going to and there we are all trying to figure out all of the puzzles of this murder mystery of Evan Chan, we have many puzzles solved but some of them are not, like the one someone said above, about some pieces being scattered around the web-sites, well that's the "Loki pieces puzzle", it was loki, some AI or robot, that exploded and got scattered all over the web-sites, to get more info about everything go to and look at the trail, that is all of the stuff they have solved and all of the e-mails and phone numbers and phone messages found and faxes, and everything you need to solve this mystery, check it out! I was guessing you guys didn't know about this becuase you are talking about stuff that we have already solved and stuff, like the eyes that open in Jeanine's web-site, well if you click on them another window opens, and that is another puzzle! it's called "Eliza's tea room puzzle!" you should really check out the URLs I told you and get into the game!

  • June 18, 2001, 5:02 a.m. CST

    News or not news? hope you can use it

    by sun-jc

    in the new Tralier on quick time 06.12.01 I got this form the end text warnherjeaninesallaevendiedsinningoesjune2 OR warnher jeanine salla even died sinning oes june 2 hope you can use it.....

  • June 18, 2001, 5:05 a.m. CST

    News or not news? 2

    by sun-jc

    btw OES? OES Occupational Employment Statistics OES Occupational Exposure Standard OES Office of Emergency Services OES Office of Employee Services OES Officer Evaluation System OES Old English Sheepdog OES Operational Effectiveness Systems (enterprise software to manage organizational knowledge & work processes) OES Operations Evaluation System OES Optical Emission Spectrometry OES Optically Excited System OES Oracle Express Server OES Order of the Eastern Star OES Outside Electrical Supply OES Ownship Environment Simulator

  • June 20, 2001, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Anyone got past Eliza's Tearoom?

    by Steven West

    Apparently you get to meet Sophia, whom I guess is kipnapped by this childish little robot. She hates brothers, but likes sisters (though she has to be smarter). You're always going to have RED eyes regardless, and I think she likes BROWN hair? Other than that, she doesn't say much? But she likes 'politeness', that's for sure!:) (I'd have a better time rationalising with Kathy Bate's character in Misery;))

  • June 20, 2001, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Interesting Link - Pyradex Corporation

    by DrH

    I found this link, It seems to be a company that produces some psychological enhancement products, maybe in the future. Links to audio files.

  • June 21, 2001, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Periodic Elements

    by JC22

    I know there has already been a solution for the mystery of the elements, but all this talk about #'s and codes has got me thinking. IF you take the numbers associated with each element and follow the math problem the answer is 410. That could be part of the code.

  • July 5, 2001, 9:48 p.m. CST

    What the hell is going on?

    by xaolin

    Hi i just found out about all this conspiracy, and i was wondering, what the hell is going on. I'm a little behind the eight ball here, where should i go to start? whats the deal here?