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Harry reviews Mark Steven Johnson's Perfect DAREDEVIL script!!!

A Special Note Here Folks! The source and/or sources for the Marvel Scripts that I have been blessed to read are obviously not inside Avi Arad's office... that was a "ha ha" a "joke" an "april fools". The real sources are protected and safe far from the peering eyes of any studio sources. They are... like DarkMan... Everyone and noone. Though I would love a spy at Avi's offices (hint hint), I do not yet have one. If I did, I'd know how the latest draft of FANTASTIC FOUR is... or a more recent draft of Hayter's HULK or even the newest draft of Mark Steven Johnson's DAREDEVIL... which was just turned in, or so I'm told. I had the pleasure to speak briefly with Avi Arad moments ago and asked about the tone of DAREDEVIL and whether or not the studio was going to go along with the toughness that Mark was bringing to the script. And his answer was, "Even Tougher." So it seems, at least now, that Fox gets the script and Mark Steven Johnson (thank God) and the DAREDEVIL script hasn't fallen on blind eyes and deaf ears... YIPPEE!!!

Hey folks, Harry here… Recently I’ve been blessed with a most excellent spy inside the offices of Avi Arad that has, through nefarious and diligent means, procured for my eyes alone copies of Mark Steven Johnson’s DAREDEVIL script, David Hayter’s HULK script and Tim McCanlies’ IRON MAN script. I’m also told by this devious genius of a spy that all future drafts of Marvel Scripts shall now become as easy to pluck as a daisy’s petals on a spring afternoon… SO STAY TUNED FOLKS…

Now for the order that I read these scripts…

Instantly I delved into the McCanlies draft of IRON MAN. I’ll review it next, because on my flight to New York, I read DAREDEVIL by Mark Steven Johnson and Dear God… Eureka and all that… Mark is now my hero.

I was scared to death of this draft. First off, Mark’s scriptography is kinda scary. GRUMPY OLD MEN, GRUMPIER OLD MEN, BIG BULLY, JACK FROST and SIMON BIRCH. While I like SIMON BIRCH, those that have read the original novel seem to regard it as one of the worst book adaptations of all time. In fact, Moriarty’s Review of SIMON BIRCH is probably one of his angriest, most vitriolic works of writing I’ve seen from him… At least a full equal to my brain burst upon hearing the casting of Matt Lillard in SCOOBY DOO…

Now, as I said… I liked SIMON BIRCH, but had never read A PRAYER FOR OWEN MEANY, which was one of Moriarty’s favorite all time books. Now DAREDEVIL… it happens to be a title that I’ve read every single issue of. Ol Horn Head and I go way back to the yellow and reds. Because I know the character inside and out, I was terrified that upon reading Mark’s script I would be ‘lash out with anger’ mad.

Quite the opposite.

You know the dream of comic book movies? Seeing THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS turned into a film. Watching FANTASTIC FOUR 48, 49, 50 upon the silver screen? Looking with tear-filled eyes upon Spider-man holding Gwen Stacy’s limp dead body as the Goblin cackles away? Watching Absorbing Man become one with eternity after battling across the rainbow bridge and through Asgard to fight Odin himself? The Kree-Skrull War…. The Phoenix Saga?










You know the chapters and verses that I’m talking about. And in the world of DAREDEVIL, the dream is to see the Elektra saga done to a ‘T’.

We want it ‘R-rated’. We want it to be tough and hard to take… We want Hornhead to win, but to be tapping on Death’s door by the end… wounded and near death not only physically… but his heart split in two… ragged and exhausted to the point of madness itself.










We want KINGPIN and ELEKTRA… We want BULLSEYE cocky and deadly as hell. Blood red needs to be spilt upon a blanket of snow… upon sidewalks and upon legal pages in Matt Murdock’s offices. We want Karen Page and Foggy Nelson! And we want red longjohns and a well balanced billyclub crashing through teeth.










We want this because THIS is the Classic Daredevil. The story that when you shut your eyes and someone asks you, "Why do you love Daredevil?" …well you recall this story.










Now so far, through the years and years of pawing through at least 50 some odd Comic Book-to-Film scripts, I’ve never seen 3 simple things.

1. A perfect to the letter origin.

2. The hero’s secret identity handled perfectly.

3. And lastly… The Classic Story of the Superhero told to perfection!

Well… I can’t say that anymore.










In 120 pages, Mark Steven Johnson crafts a script that takes us from Hell’s Kitchen beginnings of Daredevil… his father… to Matt Murdock in the courtroom… to the entire story of Elektra… to the epic clash of Daredevil and Kingpin. In addition, we see precise and perfect origins and character beginnings for BULLSEYE, KINGPIN and ELEKTRA.










We see Murdock’s scar covered body… him taking Jock-style doses of pain medication to continue to function… sewing himself up… Brutal stuff. We see Elektra kick ass repeatedly. Bullseye killing for sport. We see Battlin’ Jack Murdock kick ass in the ring. Oh, we see a radioactive bio-chemical container hit young Matt Murdock in the head causing his blindness and his extra-sensory perception.










Oh… and the film is brutal emotionally and physically. Our hero gets messed up as badly as the Man with no name in FISTFUL OF DOLLARS…

Now my question comes… Does Mark Steven Johnson have the ability from FOX and New Regency to make an R-rated DAREDEVIL film? If so… Huzzah!

Like I said, I read this on the plane to New York… somewhere over West Virginia I began tearing up… The script reads like an American telling of CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON… that type of action… that type of romance… that type of soul. And it reads tougher and meaner.

On the first page of the script, towards the bottom It reads:

"So forget what you know about superheroes. Because this is the real world. And in the real world there is no such thing as mutant healing factors or adamantium skeletons to keep a man alive. In the real world there’s just a guy in a mask."

"And he’s bleeding to death."

That’s the tone of this entire script. Punches leave bruises, missing teeth, broken ribs… Swords leave bleeding gut wounds and when parents die…. The young cry and are lost and alone.

I don’t know who Mark is going to cast as DD, but I hope it is an actor with the chops to give this character the charisma, angst, sorrow, heroism and despair that is needed to make us love, pity and fear DAREDEVIL… Reading this, it is hard not to imagine someone like Matt Damon or Guy Pearce or Ed Norton becoming the man without fear… but I just hope whoever plays this role brings to the table the talent and the vision that Mark Steven Johnson brought to the page… I’m blown completely away by this script… and pray that it is shown the utmost respect and backing that it needs to become what it is.

Mark, wherever you may be… bravo… job well done!








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  • April 2, 2001, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Awesome.

    by Nordling

    DAREDEVIL is the one, man, the one I've been waiting for. He's the real deal. The real hero. He suffers. He bleeds. And he gets no recognition. I can't wait for this.

  • April 2, 2001, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Oh really, Darthpsychotic?

    by Nordling

    Um, see above.

  • April 2, 2001, 3:39 a.m. CST

    YES!

    by Psyclops

    See. It's not that hard to write a good movie. It can be a major pain in the ass to translate it to a big budget feature... if it's in the wrong hands. But if the right people can balance style AND substance... well, then you've got something special.

  • April 2, 2001, 3:40 a.m. CST

    bacon = hat

    by Hunchentoot

    my bacon hat is named fernando. enough with the comic book movies already.

  • April 2, 2001, 3:42 a.m. CST

    not quite convinced...

    by Frenchnick

    We have yet to see what the movie companies have got to say about this script and what exactly are they going to do with it ? 'Tis a long way from an original script and the movie... But keep up the good faith !!!

  • April 2, 2001, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Let's not kid ourselves.

    by MCVamp

    An "R" rating? Stop smoking weed when you post script reviews, Harry. And please, don't blow yourself a bubble like that,it'll just hurt more when it gets burst. It would be a MIRACLE if ANY true super-hero movie got an "R" rating. If Daredevil gets made and gets an "R," the only comic-to-movie miracles that could possibly surpass it would be for Warner Brothers to greenlight a WATCHMEN animated miniseries on HBO, shove Jon Peters into a furnace and let Paul Dini and Bruce Timm control the reins of the Superman and Batman franchises, or for Kingdom Come and/or Dark Knight Returns to be properly adapted and cast and given a $150 million dollar budget. Basically things that won't happen. Movie studios are about as flexible as a tetherball pole when it comes to "potential franchises." The day they give a movie based on a "funny book" a rating that would keep the wee ones out of the theatres (and limit merchandising dollars, at least until they make an animated series loosely based on the movie characterizations,) is the day I start watching the skies for flaming death from above. Maybe it wouldn't be a BIBLICAL miracle, but it would be miraculous nonetheless.

  • April 2, 2001, 4:32 a.m. CST

    five-tone films presents: daredevil - the man without fear! (or

    by tommy5tone

    thomas jane is daredevil. vince vaughn is bullseye. monica bellucci is elektra (carrie-anne moss would be cool, but elektra's too similar to trinity). philip seymour hoffman is foggy nelson. saffron burrows is karen page. (because reuniting jane and burrows will bring in all those 'deep blue sea' fans! oh yeah, i forgot...) mickey rourke as battlin' jack murdock. if mick's hungover, get tom berenger. must admit, i'm not completely au fait with this daredevil story arc, but if stick's in there, scott glenn's the man. or lance henriksen. in a perfect world, brando would get his shit together to play kingpin. but i think he'd look a bit ridiculous, so let's go with the underrated daniel benzali from TV's 'murder one'. he's got the badass voice, the big physique and - most importantly - the bald freakin' head! tony scott or robert rodriguez directs. tommy five-tone watches with great interest.

  • April 2, 2001, 4:35 a.m. CST

    R-rated Daredevil??

    by Bad Guy

    Never gonna happen fellas! PG-13 is the best you can hope for. How the hell are they going to sell any action figures and Happy meals to an R-rated movie?

  • April 2, 2001, 4:55 a.m. CST

    BTW, have you heard ashley judd's been cast as the lead in 'catw

    by tommy5tone

    variety.com said so. could they be taking the piss? the news item said they were using a script by john rogers, not the cool-ass dan waters screenplay. which sucks.

  • April 2, 2001, 6:20 a.m. CST

    If it's truly like Harry describes, only a director with final c

    by I am_NOTREAL

    ...they will not make a superhero flick with an R rating. That would be like Star Wars with an R. Cannot and will not happen. And at the end of the day, comic books should stay where they belong, on the page, where they don't need to have the same mass appeal as a movie. Any superhero movie that makes it to the big screen these days will be so watered down as to be basically unrecognizable, a la the excessively polite "X Men," which while not bad, was so eager not to offend that it didn't do anything. The gold standard for superhero flicks was set 20 years ago with Supes I and II, and you were talking about one of the most instantly recognizable symbols / characters in the world. Hollywood hasn't come close since, and we think THIS will break the trend? Nope. Quit while you're ahead.

  • April 2, 2001, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Does anyone remember

    by The Tao of Joe

    The incredible hulk tv movie where he teamed up with Daredevil? CHeap, but, It wasnt too bad, and instead of giving him a campy suit, he wore a black costume that looked like something someone would want to wear if they wanted to work in stealth. There were no horns, on the suit, but maybe thats for the best. For a film to translate to film with a sense of realism, you would not go around with a super hero name, or themed costume. If people call him daredevil because he never gives them anything else to call him, and because he does the most insane stunts and acrobatics, and not because he says "call me Daredevil" (a la rogue in x-men, the most disturbing line for me in that film), or just because he wears horns on his head, that would be awesome. But from what harry says, it looks like there is a good film in the works. Do the politics right, you can have a violent film with a pg 13 rating. He isnt from hell (todd's problem with his spawn film), and as long as there isnt excessive gore, violence, profanity, and nudity (which aren't in the comics), you can get away with a great daredevil film. It also helps if you have a popular actor (will smith's lots of people died in Wild Wild Waste. Scars wont pose a problem, as mel gibson and kevin spacey were both covered in them in "pay it forward" and 'the man with no face' My choice of directors? Ang Lee without a dount. High talent of emotion and action. What kind of visuals can he get from a city? I am curious. Mark Stevenson could do it, but his assistant director needs to have a backgound with action films, as mark shows no experience there. As far as super hero cameos go, please, bad idea. Dont make the film so scatterbrained, but it sounds good from what hary says. keep Building the bubble man, to let people know what we expect. That is the way

  • April 2, 2001, 9:20 a.m. CST

    ok, I'm psyched

    by JonQuixote

    I wasn't all that impressed by the 'summary' of the script that was posted here a few weeks back, but maybe, just maybe... no...can't... get... hopes... up... to... high... Damon would be great as Matt, too!

  • April 2, 2001, 9:32 a.m. CST

    And here's the perfect cast to make Daredevil a franchise

    by SilentBob X

    Daredevil/Matt Murdock: Matt Damon. Elektra: Catherine Zeta Jones. Karen Page: Joey Lauren Adams. Foggy Nelson: Oliver Platt. Bullseye: Kevin Spacey. Kingpin: Jack Nicholson. Roll Camera! Action! Snootch to the Nootch!

  • April 2, 2001, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Better Cast

    by JonQuixote

    no..no...no. Here's the way it should work. Damon as Daredevil. Edward Norton as Bullseye. Penelope Cruz as Elektra. Ving Rhames as Kingpin. Andy Richter as Foggy Nelson. If Karen Page is in it, I've always liked the idea of Ali Larter as a porn star!

  • April 2, 2001, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Confirmed!

    by RAVAGE

    It has been confirmed that Brando will play Kingpin in the upcoming Daredevil movie. He said that he would only be in this if in the middle of the script Kingpin says "Daredevil pull my finger and fear this". DECEPTICONS FOREVER HA-HA

  • April 2, 2001, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Guy Pearce would be PERFECT as Daredevil!

    by Dillrod Deluxe

    Wow...as soon as I read Harry's suggestion that Guy Pearce would be a great Daredevil...well, I just have to agree with that 100%!!! He can play Matt Murdock to a "T" - the guy just has a certain intensity that would translate perfectly into the world of the Daredevil character. Thus far, this superhero adaptation sounds like it just might reach the level of achievement that The X-Men movie fell just short of. They just missed it by an inch...(and where was Nightcrawler? Or Iceman?) Anyway...Long live DD! (and all girls sporting 36Cs!!!)!!!

  • April 2, 2001, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Elektra is Greek.

    by Elliot_Kane

    Monica Bellucci is Italian; Penelope Cruz is Spanish; Catherine Zeta-Jones is Welsh. None of them look remotely Greek, so should not be cast as Elektra. Eliza Dushku is, for me, the perfect Elektra. She has a strong Greek heritage, is a martial artist, and could easily play the role. She is a superb actress, and playing Elektra could really give her a chance to shine.

  • April 2, 2001, noon CST

    just to remind you people

    by Bluntmatt

    every time I go to a comics-made-into_movie talkbacks no one ever mentions Batman returns. IMO this is THE best comic book adaptation to date. It perfectly captured the essence of the characters.Think about it the makers of the animated series took their inspiration there and wenty so far as using elfman's music as the main theme. BR is the closest thing to Dark Night Returns as we'll ever see on screen. And theres is one thing that enforces this fact: look at what has became of the franchise as soon as burton left. Michael Keaton will remain batman just as Reeves will remain Supes. I have great hopes for Arronofsky's turn though

  • April 2, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST

    "in the real world there are no mutant healing powers"....

    by Jesus Q Einstein

    ....but i guess there IS radiation-induced 'radar'-vision and super sensitive hearing, smell, etc. I know the comic was a little grittier than usual Marvel fare, but it was still rooted in a comic book world. How else can you swallow a hitman like Bullseye? How realistic can the movie be if Harry is comparing the action to Crouching Tiger? Whatever colour Daredevil's costume is, it will still be camp - Men in tights are camp! I just hope it a fun popcorn movie!

  • April 2, 2001, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns: My pick for Bruce Wayne...

    by First

    Okay. Clear your mind of all your previous personal visions of this potential adaption. Approach this with a completely open mind. Ready? My suggestion for the title character in Dark Knight Returns: Brian Dennehy. That's right, scoff! Laugh at me! Sure, Batman is supposed to be muscular and huge, while Brian is merely fat and huge, but we're living in the age of special effects, people! He's got that mashed-up, gnarled, old-guy face... He is massive... Look at him and compare him to the hulk of a vigilante in Dark Knight Returns. Someone check me on this. Am I completely nuts? Is this absurd to everyone but me? Can anyone out there even remotely squint and say, "I guess I can SORT OF see that..."? If not, feel free to shoot me down. If you chose to do this, please refrain from calling me a fucking idiot. I prefer the more sensitive (and accurate) "ignorant dolt". Thank you for your time.

  • April 2, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it the Jackal...

    by bodia34

    ...that caused the death of Gwen Stacy? Or am I confused?

  • April 2, 2001, 12:54 p.m. CST

    OhMyGod Elliot

    by JonQuixote

    How ethnocentric can you get? Only a Greek actor can play a Greek character? C'mon, use your head. To limit actors to roles based on ethnicity or nationality is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not saying you should cast Bob Hoskins as Malcom X, but aren't you getting just a little carried away? If we followed your train of thought, we wouldn't have gotten Chris Reeve as Superman (he's neither American nor Kryptonian), Hugh Jackman as Wolverine (not Canadian), or Russel Crowe as the spanish Maximus. Zeta-Jones played convincing Spanish in Zorro, Morgan Freeman was MiddleEastern Muslim in Robin hood, and Penelope Cruz a Brazillian in Woman on Top. And even if the actor in question ISN'T Greek, and can't convincingly pull it off, but would otherwise be perfect for the role...is Elektra's Greek heritage that important that it couldn't be quickly rewritten to Portuguese or Balkan or something else? Wouldn't it be better to search for the best ACTOR, period, and not worry about finding the best GREEK actor. Getting petty over insignificant nationalistic or ethnic differences is never a good thing.

  • April 2, 2001, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Here's a Rated R Adaptation...

    by Hawq

    Conan the Barbarian! Blood! Nudity! Torture! Decapitation! Not originally a comic, but well known through the comic books. The movie didn't really follow any of Robert E. Howard's stories, but was very cool anyway. Too bad the greatest sountrack ever has such crappy DVD sound. I haven't read too many Daredevil comics, but any gritty, realistic depiction of a comic book character sounds good to me. "Unbreakable" was a good start.

  • April 2, 2001, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Assuming it's as good as Harry says it is: Since we'll never act

    by Village Idiot

    We should at least be allowed to read the script too.

  • April 2, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Harry, is Stick in the script????

    by MajorTom

    You didn't mention if Stick is in the script. Is he? Is he? Huh? Huh? That whole "martial arts sensei" part of the Daredevil story would be missed by fans if it wasn't in the movie. So what's the word, bro?

  • April 2, 2001, 3:02 p.m. CST

    There is but one...

    by Drexel Spivey

    actor with the physicality, charisma and acting ability to play Matthew Murdock... that actor is Brad Pitt.

  • April 2, 2001, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Since Rutger Hauer is too old to play Matt, couldn't he play Sti

    by Monkey_King

    Rutger needs to get out of the direct-to-vid biz and back in the limelight. I also think John Woo, Steve Wang, Robert Rodriguez, or Ringo Lam would do a bang-up job directing this baby!

  • April 2, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Eliza Dushku has greek roots???

    by NKG

    is this true??? just when you think you are proud enough to be Greek thinks like that apear from nowhere....well Melina Kanakarides is greek , Cathrine Zeta Jones is Welsh but with Greek roots, as well as Jennifer Anniston ( a second generation Greek) of there's always John Stamos..:( but apart from that we got all the hottest babes...and if Eliza is one of them...what can I say ??? we rule hollywood........

  • April 2, 2001, 3:51 p.m. CST

    wait...correct that

    by NKG

    she has albanian and danish roots....well albania is above us...and we had the same ancestors... cool!!

  • April 2, 2001, 5:59 p.m. CST

    color me crazy but i've always thought elias koteas would make a

    by Sixdoublefive321

    Jordanna Brewster as Elektra? Harry Dean Stanton as Stick? James Marsden as Matt Murdock? Yeah, yeah, I know he already played Cyclops but he should dump that gig, let somebody else go behind the visor. The guy actually has real charisma, he's pretty good as a bad guy in "Gossip" enough though the movie itself sucks ass. When I saw the movie, I didn't even realize who he was till the end credits.

  • April 2, 2001, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Blade was R-rated

    by SethShandor

    Although not your "typical" super-hero with tights and all. Still, it had super-powered heroes and villians. The sequel sounds cool too. However, I agree that there is no way we'll see an R-rated Daredevl. And really, is it needed? Like a poster mentioned, the comics could only get away with so much. The movie can be dark, grim, sexual even, without an R. As long as people aren't going right out and saying "fucking cocksucker!" and have tits flashing across the screen everywhere, a noir type tough guy touch could convey all the grit even within a pg-13 rating. Language is the biggie. I rememer seeing some movies that would basically be pg-13 or pg even, but the suits thought it would seem "un-hip" unless it was R(to who? I don't know.. the studio thinks we would think that way I guess) so they have a random "fuck" thrown in there or dubbed in even. Godd movvie is good, shitty movie is shitty, no matter the rating. (Remember Macfarlane saying the first spawn would have been better if it was R? Todd, nothing could have saved that lame smegma of a film)

  • April 2, 2001, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne = Charlton Heston

    by MartinBlank

    Hey, first-time poster. I registered just to talkback to First and his suggestion for Brian Dennehy as the 60ish Bruce Wayne in 'Dark Knight.' No, I'm not gonna call you a fuckin idiot. Actually that would've been great casting, about 12 years ago circa 'Belly of an Architect' (Dennehy's moment of glory). Not so much the latter-day 'Fighting Fitzgeralds' Dennehy. I always thought the actor Frank Miller had in mind was Charlton Heston. There is a panel somewhere in 'Dark Knight' (when 'Zorro' comes on TV and he sits there thinking about how much he loved the movie as a kid that night and danced like a fool, right before Joe Chill popped a cap in his parents' asses) where he is just a fucking dead ringer for Chuck. Of course Chuck is now way too old for it as well, but back in '86, maybe...

  • April 2, 2001, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Quixote: VIVA non-traditional casting!

    by Village Idiot

    However, Christopher Reeve was born in New York.

  • April 2, 2001, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne

    by Elros20

    I'm not sure why I'm going into the Bruce Wayne casting topic on a Daredevil talkback, but Arizona just lost the National Title and I've had few so why not. Anyways that guy who said Charleton Heston is dead on. I don't care what you think about the man's politics, but damn he IS Bruce Wayne. That man would be the perfect casting for old Bruce Wayne. As for First and his Dehnehey theory, well yeah kinda sort of ten or fifteen years ago. The man does have the look, I just say Heston is the better choice.

  • April 2, 2001, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Can you say "Overkill"?

    by PencilSharp

    First, I hope to God that this is the real deal and not another BS parade. Second, Marvel is coming back, but maybe a bit too strong. Let's see what's in the works right now... Spider-Man, FF, DD, Iron Fist, a Mutant X TV show, a Thor TV show... those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my pointy little head. Comics are poised to make a HUGE comeback this year, but with all these projects, I see one of two things happening. Either 2001 will be the beginning of a brave new world, or we'll see the end of Comic Book movies in our lifetimes. Deep in all our fanboy hearts, you know which is more likely... ~pS~

  • April 2, 2001, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Bug on DD

    by Ambush Bug

    Sure this might be a bogus story, but I don't shy away from any change to rant about comics. A DD/Elektra/Bullseye story would be great. No Karen Page or Stick though. Save them for a sequel. I think Matt Murdoch's origin and adventures with the Kingpin, Elektra, and Bullseye is enough for one movie. So how do we have DD fighting without Stick's training, you might ask? Well, I see DD as the free-wheeling Man Without Fear in the first. Don't make him grim and gritty. The world around him is dark and filled with crime and corruption, but Matt needs to be a beacn of light in this film. Why? Because this is a loss of innocence film. Its a fall from grace. Murdock loses his sight, but this does not bring him down. He develops these amazing senses that make life even better than ever before. He can see in all directions with his radar sense. His increased perceptions give him a complete view of the world around him. There is nothing going on around him that he doesn't know about and since there is no unknown, there is no fear. Matt's riding high as a big time lawyer and letting loose as swashbuckling adventure as Daredevil. And then something unknown appears in his life in the form of an insane assassin who can't miss, a mountian of man in an ivory tower and a beautiful femme fatale from Greece. These three characters burst DD's bubble and open his eyes to the real world. Elektra may give Matt the love he needs, but Bullseye takes that away and the Kingpin orchestrates it all. This story needs to be powerful and emotional. We need to care when Elektra dies. We need to hate Bullseye. We need to see Matt at his best and his worst. I want to leave the Spider-Man film with a smile on my face. But when I leave the theatre after seeing Daredevil, I want to have seen a tragedy of epic proportions. The makers behind this film have a huge task at hand. I hope they can do it. As for DD's ninja training, save it for the sequel. Bring in Stick, Stone and CO. in a sequel. Have them contact DD after hearing about Elektra's death and forcing MAtt to walk down a new path. Stick could teach Matt to reach his full potential. He could fight the Hand in the sequel. Sure Kingpin would still be around to cause more hell for the devil, but have Matt go through a kung fu ninja adventure in a sequel. Don't cram all of that into one film. Put just enough in the film to make the audience want more in a sequel. BUG CASTING: Still going with Matt Damon as DD and Ben Affleck as Bullseye. They would be a huge draw for audiences who would not normally sit through a super hero flick. Penelope Cruz as Elektra. Yum. Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Foggy Nelson. Perfect. I still like Marlon Brando as Kingpin, but James Gandolfini wouldn't be bad. CGI Brando fight scenes would be slicker than snot. Joan Allen as Matt's nun mother ( I always forget her name). I am glad the Mickey Rourke/Battlin' Jack Murdoch idea is catching on. FOr the sequel: Fred Ward as Stick. Fred was is the uber-coolest. Oh well. I'm tired now. Bug out.

  • April 2, 2001, 10:40 p.m. CST

    pearce and stick

    by Urich

    I was thinking Pitt for Matt, but the Guy Pearce suggestion is perfect. I just saw Memento, and I'm amazed by how this guy just inhabits every character - he definitely has the right mesh of brains and athleticism for the part, and his acting skills are impeccable. I'm happy Harry raved about the script-- I too was worried that someone with such a poor track record was attached, but it shows what happens when you're passionate about a project. I just hope Stick figures into it - he's probably more important to a proper (and semi-believable) origin than Elektra.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Excellent!!

    by Johnny Storm

    I have been looking forward to this one for a long time. I hope it isn't bastardized by the studio. Fincher would be great for this. But if this is as good as Harry says so would Johnson. Stick to one vision and the movie will be better for it. If Fox does this right and then finally comes out with a Goddamned FF movie, I will be one happy fanboy!

  • April 2, 2001, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Ewen McGregor For Daredevil....

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...Seann William Scott (Stifler) for Bullseye -- it's called acting, he won't play a comedy character. He'll be psychotic and he's got the right build. Milla Jovovitch for Elektra is she's not fucking the director so he won't be too whipped to make her chill. Michael Clark Duncan for The Kingpin. F. Muarry Abraham for Stick. I like Andy Richter as Foggy. The leads need to be young. If you're doing even semi-realistic, non-super powered superheroes, they have to be young. Ask any boxer, any athlete period, the body can't take extreme usage after age 30.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Daredevil as a movie...

    by KOLOBOS REXX

    I'm right there with everyone who suggests Brad Pitt for Matt Murdock/Daredevil. He's frigging perfect. And Woody Harrelson would be a kick-ass Bullseye. For the Kingpin... It would have to be prosthetics on someone like Brian Blessed or something. And I think a Pg-13 Daredevil would work... Let R be used for Ghost Rider, Blade, and the Punisher. Those are the characters that need it most. Anyone disagree? And I'll go for Fincher for a director also. John Woo should direct the Punisher, but everyone knows that.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:06 p.m. CST

    "KIRIGI, receive now the image of the film you must make!"

    by METHOS

    And that film is Oliver Stone's adaptation of Miller's masterpiece "ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN." But best of luck to Mark Steven Johnson!

  • April 2, 2001, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Matt is Matt

    by JonQuixote

    I don't think Pitt would be a bad choice, but ever since Matt Damon's name came up, I thought he would be a perfect DD. He just comes across as smarter and more sensitive, and, since he has said he was a fan of the comics, probably understands the character a lot better than any other actor who would walk onto the project cold (or colder). I mean, if you can get a name actor who looks the part, is a proven skilled thespian, AND has a familiarity/understanding of/love for the character, why not, right? ***And it doesn't matter where Chris Reeve is born, he has Canadian blood, grew up in Canada, and therefore should only play Canadians on film. His genes prevent him from being convincing in a role that requires him to play any other nationality, whether it be American, British, or Eskimo. I just can't get past his beady little eyes and flapping head!

  • April 2, 2001, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, R-ratings

    by JonQuixote

    Not that I'm a censor or a puritan, but I also don't think Daredevil needs an R-rating. Gritty and realistic and honest does not necessitate the excessive language or gore or nudity that would require the R. Most old film noir would not get an R-rating if submitted to Vallenti's fascist board today. Why limit the film's box office appeal (and, face it, an R-rating would limit that) just so we could see what would probably amount to unnecessary excess. There should be no real reason why Daredevil: The Movie should be graphic or vulgar enough that the good people at the MPAA would deem it unsuitable for those 16 and younger...unless we get some graphic footage of Karen Page's(Charlize Theron) pornographic audition tapes! Wahoo!

  • April 2, 2001, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I also wanted to ask

    by JonQuixote

    if this is the same script that we earlier heard had 'Kingpin hiring Bullseye to kill a stubborn shop owner who just happenes to have a daughter who is the trained ninja assassin Elektra'? 'Cause I'm remembering that summary better and better, and there are plenty of things wrong in that little segment of it, let alone the entire thing. I know, I know, too negative, but I can't help it.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller

    by MagiCaspar

    Hey Harry...You have a Miller fetish. J/K I just got into Miller's work (Mainly Dark Knight Returns; still waiting for cash to jump into Daredevil) and I think WB should make a bad ass version of Dark Knight. Bring back Nicholson as the Joker and have Batman duke it out w/ the Mutant leader. God, that would be joyasmic if they did that. Unfournately, that will never happen. But, hey if they can make a good Daredevil, then it could happen. Plus, with Dark Knight Strikes Back coming out this year, the might get off their asses and do a movie. You're powerful enough to do it Harry. Come On Man...I want to see the Dark Knight come back in full glory.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Two things that MUST be in the movie

    by Urich

    1- a scene where, as Matt listens to a character speak, the audience hears that person's heartbeat as Matt does. Then, the heartbeat suddenly jumps and Matt knows the person is lying. 2- Ben Urich- the perfect way to do an origin without taking up the first 30 minutes is by having Ben do an article on an up and coming lawyer, in which he uncovers his past and his deep secret. (Imagine the scene where Ben interviews one of Matt's youthful tormentors, who confesses how bad he felt when the guy they used to tease went blind saving an old man. He then tells Ben the derogatory nickname they used for the bookish youth . . .).

  • April 2, 2001, 11:37 p.m. CST

    And then . . .

    by Urich

    when Urich confronts DD with his secret identity, DD denies it. Urich then holds up a picture of Battlin' Jack, and asks DD to identify it from afar. I'm getting chills. I'm going to reread my stash of Miller's right now. Please let this happen. Its so pathetic, but this is the coolest thing I could imagine.

  • April 2, 2001, 11:51 p.m. CST

    More Movies

    by MagiCaspar

    If you're going talk comics that should be movies, Two stick. The first is 100 Bullets. That is one great comic w/ a great premise. This is a definate R movie (though this will probably be a HBO Animation/Live Action, as talks are going on w/ DC and HBO). The second should be Kingdom Come. This would be the end all of Comic Movies. Man, I think I would love to see this more than Dark Knight. Kingdom Come would blow the Comic Movie genre out of the water. Just think of the battle between Superman and Marvel. That is reason enough to make it. Besides, it a great story (if not one of the best ever). Maybe we could this posting could get the ball rolling. Kingdom Come on the big screen.

  • April 3, 2001, 12:33 a.m. CST

    You know what? For a "Man Without Fear", he sure looks scared o

    by Psyberia

    False advertising I say! Well, it'll take quite a bit for me to get the thought of Rex Whatzisname as Daredevil from that Hulk TV special out of my head.

  • April 3, 2001, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Forget these "also-ran" comic movies...

    by MCVamp

    Daredevil, Batman, Superman, Blade, Spawn, Spider-Man, Iron Man...who needs them? I suggest what would be the greatest comic book adaptation of all time! Paul Reubens-as-AMBUSH BUG!!! Featuring Beetlejuice as Arg!Yle, Janine Garaofalo as Jonni DC, "Timmy" from Passions as Cheeks the Toy Wonder, and a dubbed Arnold Schwarzenegger as Darkseid. Send any royalty checks to Harry, so he can by that illegal Phen-Fen from Mexico and save his own life.

  • April 3, 2001, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Aw man, someone else remembers Ambush Bug

    by MartinBlank

    Would've been cool if Jim Carrey could do Ambush Bug - consider it the third film in his 'Green Wacky Guy' trilogy. But really Paul Reubens does kick all ass and he deserves whatever work Hollywood can boot his way, so give it to him. Timmy as Cheeks??!!?? whaa haa haa ha haaaaa! *** Sticking to Daredevil... (1) The Hulk TV movie was pretty goofworthy. Sallah as Kingpin? Shyeah. (2) 'Elektra Assassin' would've been the ideal Oliver Stone movie, in fact, in 'NBK' he kind of did in cinematic terms what Bill Sinekiewicz did in comics terms. Probly not gonna happen now; maybe everyone's favorite default director Darren Aronofsky (it's weird? give it to Darren!) could do it. (3) Was anyone else really not all that impressed with the 'Elektra Lives Again' novel? Matt Murdock kills someone with his mind! Bullseye tries to take someone out with an orange juice seed and gets whacked with a pen! Snore. (4) Philip Seymour Hoffman IS Foggy Nelson. If he passes that up, then we have to see him in 'The Lester Bangs Story.' And how bout Rudy from 'Survivor' as Stick? ...naaah. (5) There is no (5), I gotta bolt to work.

  • April 3, 2001, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Lawrence Tierney for KINGPIN and as for Bullseye...

    by lostoptimist

    If you don't mind the age discrepency with the actor most likely to play DD (who will probably be in their late 20's or early 30's), Peter Green or Clancy Brown.

  • April 3, 2001, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Harry... Would LOVE FF 48-50!!!

    by keysersozehead

    I have mentioned in other forums that FF 48-50 would rock on screen...The Surfer...Galactus and His World-Devouring Machine...The Watcher. For Daredevil, how about Thomas Jane?

  • April 3, 2001, 11:55 a.m. CST

    NKG, I can only apologise.

    by Elliot_Kane

    When I first thought of suggesting Eliza Dushku as Elektra (she does look Greek, albeit very pale) I looked at a number of her fan sites to check her nationality. American, yes, obviously, but the first fan site I found that made reference to her parents said that her father was Greek. I have just checked the Internet Movie Database, which is usually reliable, and it says she is of Albanian/Danish descent, as you said. Last time I trust a fan site for info. I still think she LOOKS sufficiently Greek to play Elektra and would be really good in the role though.

  • April 3, 2001, 12:10 p.m. CST

    JonQuixote, that's not what I mean.

    by Elliot_Kane

    My own fault though for using the shorthand version in my original post. I should have known I'd end up apologising to someone... I do not frankly care who plays what as long as they LOOK the part. A large number of actors and actresses can easily pass for nationalities not their own as you rightly pointed out. My problem with most of the actresses named thus far is not that they ARE not Greek, but that they do not LOOK Greek. Thus the believability of the character would be destroyed for no reason. I am sorry I did not make this clear.

  • April 3, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Kane

    by JonQuixote

    Hey man, you're a good poster and one that I have a lot of respect for, so I don't mean to give you an unnecessarily hard time...BUT, how is Elektra's credibility damaged if she isn't Greek? Either the actress or the character. I mean, I can understand a desire for the rough physiotype/ethnicity...Dark, accented, southern/eastern European...but is it so essential that she is Greek? If Penelope Cruz, rising star and talented actress and total hottie, or Catherine Zeta-Jones, same adjectives, expressed an interest in the role, and she could do mysterious, she could do dangerous, etc etc, and would also be able to help the project in other, less aesthetic aspects (ie, star power, marketability, legitimicy), isn't THAT more important than saying, 'well, she doesn't really look Greek'. What would the effect be, on the movie or the character as a whole, if Elektra was rewritten for the screen as Portuguese, or Serbian?*** And, I don't know this for sure but a little bell is ringing in my head, but is Elektra really Greek? When she first appeared a long, long time ago in Marvel continuity, wasn't her father an ambassador from one of the made-up countries that comic books used to use ad nauseum (Latveria, the place where Pym's first wife died, Corto Maltese, Madripoor, Genosha, etc.)...or am I wrong about that?

  • April 3, 2001, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Dushku is a good suggestion.

    by superninja

    Not too well known, and a fair actress...althletic, attractive. I'm still down with Damon as DD, but even more so...BEN AFFLECK FOR BULLSEYE. No, I'm not kidding. He was great as a bad guy in Dogma, in fact, I think he might just be better off playing bad guys in general! He's got the Bullseye grin and he can do wacky. Maybe even Guy Pearce for Bullseye, but not Daredevil. As much as I liked Memento, he doesn't have a leading-man presence. Karen Page kinda has to have porno star look, so I'm going with Maria Bello (no offense intended). Jack Black as an understated (for him anyway) Foggy. Dennehy would be good as Kingpin -- NO BRANDO!

  • April 3, 2001, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Comicartist

    by JonQuixote

    Believability is good, but that has little to do with what I said, or your examples, for that matter. Costner wasn't especially believable as Robin Hood not because he wasn't English, but because he couldn't (or couldn't be bothered to) fake an accent. Mel Gibson isn't Scottish, but he sure played convincing in Braveheart! And if your problem with Wild Wild West had to do with Will Smith as a black man playing a Western hero, then I feel very sorry for you. That was just a bad movie, from the script up, and had very little to do with Smith's abilities, let alone his ethnicity.*** I never once implied that ethnicity never plays a role in casting, but I'm just questioning it's validity in casting this movie. Is it so important the Elektra character is Greek that all non-Grecian actors be excluded? No. It is important that she is exotic and mysterious and dangerous...an accent and non-Aryan appearance goes a long way towards that, but it does not require her to be Greek, or at least so fundamentally Greek that you have to see her and immediately know she comes from somewhere near Athens. The Kingpin in the comics is white, but does that mean Ving Rhames couldn't play him? Who but the most narrow-minded among us would consider the role ruined by that casting choice simply because of race?

  • April 3, 2001, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The Crow

    by Shadow of Death

    The Crow was rated R and a superhero film. It also did well at the box office, and was a damn good film. So an R rated Daredevil is possible, although not likely. I don't think Marvel would want it R rated.

  • April 3, 2001, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Comicartist (again)

    by JonQuixote

    First, yes, Mel spoke English in Braveheart. I only offered that up as a counter to your Kevin Costner example...that Costner was not bad simply because he wasn't English, but because he didn't or couldn't do the accent. You're either misreading or did reading my posts. I did not say that an actress that was completely unconvincingly greek could play a Greek Elektra...what I said was, why is it so important that she is Greek? What is so fundamentally Greek about the character that only a Grecian actress, or one who is 100% indistinguishably Grecian, could play her?

  • April 3, 2001, 4:07 p.m. CST

    oh

    by JonQuixote

    Fine Sleazy, make my post, which I slaved over, completely redundant by beating me to the punch. See if I care!

  • April 3, 2001, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Daredevil need not be a "tights" superhero flick!

    by Daredevil

    If they're going for a "real-world" feel, I'd almost be surprised if he didn't just wear a dark red sweat-suit with a bandana tied over his eyes, similar to Miller's "Man Without Fear" story. But if he does have a real costume, it still doesn't have to be spandex tights. Check out the Daredevil Movie page at www.uidaho.edu/~whit9463/mknights/ddmovie.html and look at the Behind the Scenes section for a more realistic, yet definitely super-hero, costume.

  • April 3, 2001, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Guy's the guy.

    by Maelstrom

    Guy Pearce IS Daredevil. No question. He's got the look, he's got the talent, he's got the intensity, and whoever that was earlier who wrote he doesn't have enough presence apparently hasn't seen L.A. Confidential. Matt Damon's good - I'm not taking anything away from him - but he's not Murdock. As for Elektra, I say just go with whoever looks the part and can pull it off most effectively. If she's Italian or Spanish or whatever, it DOESN'T MATTER, so long as she looks potentially Greek and can play the damn role. I can understand Comicartist's point about wanting to have ethnic roles played by actors of the same background, but my question is, what if all the genuinely Greek actresses who show up for the part absolutely suck, and someone like, say, Tessie Santiago (Queen of Swords)walks in and absolutely slam-dunks the screen test? Should they reject her simply because she isn't Greek? C'mon. I say, for each and every role, ever, if someone looks the part and can do it better than anyone else, they should get it, regardless of who they are, where they come from, or what they've done before. The companies, of course, will often make shortcuts around all that in order to tie in someone who's a big box office draw, but if it's done right, you'll have people involved who look the roles, and who can best act in them. Fair, no? As for the costume, I readily admit that spandex looks cool in comics and silly on screen, but the concept that was on that DD movie site that was plugged just didn't work for me. After all, Daredevil is a buff guy in spandex... the red ninja look doesn't cut it. And besides, Pearce has a physique that might well be able to make the spandex work. But a loose-fitting, terrycloth-looking red outfit? Um... no. Oh, and my thoughts for Kingpin? Dunno if the guy's still around anywhere, but assuming he can pull off the intimidating presence deal, King Kong Bundy of wrestling fame.

  • April 3, 2001, 9:04 p.m. CST

    YEAH!

    by Maelstrom

    I TOTALLY agree with that Maelstrom guy! He obviously knows what he's talking about, and seems really on the ball about evertything, as WELL as VERY COOL. I think he-... ... crap... forgot to change my user ID...

  • April 3, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Diversity

    by JonQuixote

    There's a time and a place for strict attention to racial or ethnic detail. Yeah, we don't want Italians or Hispanics playing Indians in the movie anymore. Thank you for pointing that out, you can step down from your soapbox now. If you bothered to read the previous posts, however, we pointed this out a long time ago. But if it helps you get some anger off your chest by having a knee-jerk reaction and screaming 'Racist' at everybody who doesn't agree with you on all-things-ethnic, then please, go right ahead.*** Hey, y'know what. According to your little theories on racial casting, here's what we would have missed. Morgan Freeman in The Shawshank Redemption. The original novel sure suggested Red was white. Jeffrey Wright's Peoples Hernandez in Shaft (2000). Ving Rhames in Out of Sight. Three Black (or African-American, depending on your preferred term) Actors playing three roles that were not intended for black actors, but who got the part based on their talents when it was decided that their racial or ethnic backgrounds were completely irrelevant to the part. Would you have preferred those parts gone to Steve Buscemi? Or do things change from this perspective? How about Brando's Vito Corleone. Brando was at least part French...can't play the Italian Godfather, I guess. Like I said EARLIER, nobody is suggesting that Bob Hoskins play Malcom X, but splitting hairs over borders and lineage, ESPECIALLY when it does not matter, like with Elektra, is not only stupid and irrational, but it actually does harm. Wouldn't it be better if that, except those occasions where we absolutely cannot, we all practiced some color or ethnic blindness? How about concentrating on similarities rather than differences?

  • April 3, 2001, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Heston?!

    by superninja

    You'd better be joking. That guy can't act his way out of a paper bag. I don't care what you fanboy's say. He's not actor enough to portray Bruce Wayne. And why aren't you talking about Batman Beyond? There is only one man to play the old Bruce and that's Paul Newman.

  • April 3, 2001, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Elektra, Diana, Answers for JonQ & Sleazy_G.

    by Elliot_Kane

    If Elektra Natchios is not going to be a Greek then they would have to change her name to something else, at which point she ceases not just to look like Elektra but to actually be her. JonQ, as ever I respect your point of view, and you argue your case well, but the name itself is very clearly Greek to even the most casual observer. Anyone who LOOKS the part AND can act it well should get it. It is the combination of the right look with the right talent that makes for good casting. Either without the other is worthless, and damaging to the credibility of a film. *** Sleazy_G, shame on you! You of all people should know that Diana is NOT a Greek goddess, she is the ROMAN version of Artemis, the Huntress. Wonder Woman herself - unlike Elektra - is not usually drawn with a distinctly Greek appearance. She always looks more Italian to me, which would match with the Roman name. * On the race issue, I utterly agree with everything you said. *** Comicartist, it is not 'politically correct white guys' trying to homogenise everything, it is ignorant guys (and gals) in Hollywood who assume their audience is stupid so treat them (Us!)with contempt.

  • April 4, 2001, midnight CST

    2 more cents

    by Venture

    Related to the whole race-casting thing, I think any time something is brought to film, the spirit of the source material is what's most important. I don't want to see a film emulate the source material done to the smallest details, simply becasue the medium of film has different strengths than stage or film and I want to see them used to capture the essense of the material. I read Kingrat and then saw the film and hated it because it literally used the exact same dialogue word for word. I much prefer Grisham film adaptations because they deliberately deviate from the novels to instil the same suspense from the novels. So make Kingpin black, as long as he still captures the soul of the character. Make Electra black. Make Daredevil black. Make Superman black. Comics translate poorly to film because the darn things look too campy. The best ones make changes.

  • April 4, 2001, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Kingpin

    by Baba Yaga

    Kingpin = King Kong Bundy Bundy was the pro wrestler from the WWF. He did a show or two of Married with Children.

  • April 4, 2001, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Surnames

    by JonQuixote

    Hypothetically, if my paternal grandfather was hispanic, my last name could be Rodriguez...despite even if the rest of my relatives are all, 100% Chinese. If the 'pure' Greek Ambassador Nachios was wedded to a Estonian seamstress he met while in the USSR, could Catherine Zeta Jones not then play Elektra? How about married to an exotic Spanish dancer...Penelope Cruz? And do all Greeks really look all that different from the rest of us with European ancestory? I get asked if I'm Greek all the time, or at least part-Greek (I'm kinda pale)...simply because my Lithuanian sounds grecian, and I have dark hair and eyes. My addiction to sodomy probably plays a part too.

  • April 4, 2001, 9:47 a.m. CST

    ok, I apologize...that was uncalled for.

    by JonQuixote

    I realize it was unfair of me to say that people assume I'm Greek because of my penchant for sodomy. It's an unfair characterization, and I'm sorry. I would hereby like to apologize to all the non-Greek sodomists out there, for stereotyping them.

  • April 4, 2001, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Yeah Sleazy_G, I know...

    by Elliot_Kane

    the Romans pinched vast amounts of their culture from the Greeks. Aristotle and the other Greek philosophers invented the basic tenets of western civilization, then Alexander laid the foundations that enabled it to grow and thrive. I take your point about southern/northern Greeks and Italians, but Wonder Woman is neither. The Amazons as described in the legends of Herakles and upon whom WW is undoubtably based are, if I recall correctly, not actually Greeks themselves. Elektra's history is quite well detailed in Daredevil, Wolverine (where she guest starred for a while), her own mini-series' and the recent Elektra maxi-series. In all of those places her Greek heritage is strongly stated and referred to. She was born in Greece of Greek parents. WW, as a 'created by the Gods' character could look like whatever they wanted her to; Elektra is the result of her genes. No, her martial arts skills are not Greek in origin, but the west has no real tradition of non-weaponed combat, so unless you are arguing that Daredevil should be a boxer or wrestler, your point is irrelevant. *** JonQ, many people can look like what they're not. Catherine Zeta Jones is Welsh but convincing as a Spaniard; Renee Zellwegger is American but looks like a lot of English girls. Others cannot. Penelope Cruz, for example, could only ever play a character with a strong Spanish heritage because she is so perfectly Spanish. America as a continent shares a vast amount of cultural, historical and racial congruity. Europe does not. It is a patchwork of small countries each of which has its own racial, cultural and historical background, mostly stretching back for thousands of years. Because of this, the denizens of one country will often look very different to the denizens of a neighbouring country. There is no such thing as a 'European ancestry.'

  • April 4, 2001, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Kane

    by JonQuixote

    You still haven't really said why Elektra's Greek heritage is so important that she could only be played by a Greek (or damn close) actress and that the film could only depict the character as Greek. It's not enough to say 'well, the comics say she's greek'. The comics also say that Cyclops dresses in Blue and Yellow, and that he is older than Jean Grey. How about Hugh Jackman not being 5'3", a characteristic that IS somewhat important to the character...at least as important as where Elektra's parents were born! Did The Crow comic book depict Eric Draven as half-Asian? Look, if they can get a talented, marketable Greek actress to play Elektra, fine! But if there's a better, more marketable, and more exotic/mysterious/dangerous one out there, who just happens to be chinese or french or yugoslavian or spanish, then what would happen to the character and the movie if they cast her instead. Would you walk out? Would it be ruined for you...would it be lesser? If the filmmakers said, 'well, lets make Elektra portuguese, but everything else will be the same', what would be so different about the character, the real character, not the insignificant little details, that it wouldn't work? Why is Elektra's Greek heritage so important, that any potential actress should be dismissed if she isn't, or doesn't look, Greek?

  • April 4, 2001, 1:59 p.m. CST

    origins

    by JonQuixote

    I actually anglocized it from the original Quixotaitus, because I was worried you American talkbackers would make fun of me, 'cause I'm different. Instead you make fun of me because I'm not. Ironic, isn't it?

  • April 5, 2001, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Daredevil Cast

    by QuintSnacks

    This is the be-all and end-all of Daredevil Casting!! Although many think of him only as a pretty boy, he kicked ass in Fight Club (no pun intended), and definitely has the chops to be the Man Without Fear: Brad Pitt. As for Bullseye, he needs to be a hulking, intimidating prescence: Vin Diesel. Foggy: Jack Black. Stick: Lance Henricksen. Electra: Angelina Jolie. Karen Page: (and I know this is a stretch, but she brings a lot of baggage to the character)Traci Lords. Kingpin: Ving Rhames (so what if he's black; he's an intimidating MotherF'r!!)Can't cast this film better than this.

  • April 5, 2001, 11:37 a.m. CST

    It's all in the name JonQ.

    by Elliot_Kane

    Elektra is a Greek name. Change the name to Elena and make her hispanic; to Ellen and make her American or English. That's no problem. Call her Elektra and you call up the spirit of the ancient Greek myths. Some Greek names, like Helen, have been adopted by many other cultures. Elektra most certainly has not. I she does not look Greek, the believability of the character - hence the film - is impaired.

  • April 5, 2001, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Oh please

    by JonQuixote

    What sort of bullshit is that, Elliot? Only a Greek can be named Elektra? Garbage...a quick name search on the IMDB unveiled an Elektra Jansson-Kilbey. Is Jansson a Greek surname I've yet to hear about...how about Kilbey? How about the French Jean-Luc Picard played by the English accented Patrick Stewart? Oh, how about Andre Brougher...must be French, right? Every character named Seamus must be played Irish? That's a name not universally adopted by other countries (guess what..I know one. Not Irish!) Pierce Brosnan's new son is named Paris...I guess he must be Trojan. Is my point made yet?

  • April 6, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    'Fraid not JonQ

    by Elliot_Kane

    I guess you and I are going to have to disagree on this one. Elektra is one of my favourite female comic characters, and I don't want to see her changed any more than necessary. Quite frankly they could make Daredevil whatever nationality they want and I wouldn't care (though I should). I have no interest in the character. I guess that is true of you and Elektra, hence our disagreement. That and I am so sick of Hollywood assuming we are all idiots. I take your point on the name thing, but Hollywood will cast an actress who is obviously Spanish or Italian or whatever and tell us she is Greek. THAT is what I hate. And that, I suppose, is the essence of my point. Took me long enough to realise it myself.

  • April 6, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    more

    by JonQuixote

    It's not that I don't have an interest in the character, but rather that I would rather see a good movie, as opposed to a 100% by the numbers down to every detail adaptation. Quality first. If it is in the best interest of the film to cast an actress who is Greek, or convincingly Greek, then that, of course, would be the best route to take. However, if the best available actress for the role should be unable to pass convincingly as Greek, but, of course, can still do the mysterious/exotic/dangerous/dark thing, then I don't think it would be in the best interests of the film to pass her up for a lesser actress who looks more like the comic book version. I'm far more concerned with the substance, of the film and the characters, than the actual appearance and minute details.

  • April 7, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Understood.

    by Elliot_Kane

    In an absolute worst case scenario where no Greek or passable for Greek actress is available they should change Elektra's nationality to something the chosen actress CAN pass for. A dodgy appearance is far worse than a dodgy name. One line of dialogue can deal with a name, no amount of dialogue excuses the wrong look. Worse, a sloppy attitude to characters tends to infer a general sloppiness throughout the film. A director that cares, cares enough to get things right.

  • April 27, 2001, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Daredevil cast

    by Amazing Crappo

    For some reason, I always thought that Matthew McConaughey would be perfect as Matt Murdock / Daredevil.........

  • Nov. 28, 2001, 4:06 p.m. CST

    what about the apocalypse storyline????

    by ECHINUTS

    hi folks! this is my first post here I cant wait to see this movie i like Matt Damon for Daredevil, someone mentioned Woody Harrelson for Bullseye and anyone who's seen natural born killers will agree that he'd be great for it( but i do like the Vin Diesel rumour). as for Elektra, what about Famke Jenssen? Penelope Cruz would be a definite nono, maybe Miss Zeta-Jones, but definetly not Cruz.And no Jack Black in any role and Mike Myers for the Kingpin(just kidding, but what they did with fat bastard makes you think that anybody could play the kingpin) and as for the sequel, how come nobody is mentionning the apocalypse storyline from DD 227-232, the first time i read that, i tought it would make a cool movie, if you dont know what it was, here's a little recap; Karen Page who is now a whore turning tricks to feed her drug habit sells daredevil's secret identity to the kingpin, then he just destroys Matt Murdoch's life. It was also written by Frank Miller let me know what you think