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You Want MATRIX 2 Spy Stuff' Pix of Morpheus, Trinity, The Car, The Virus Dudes... You want it, We Got it!!! Oh yeah
Hey folks, Harry here.... Ok, so after trashing my NY hotel room like some sort of Rock Star, losing my voice and playing havoc with the Delta Airlines Flight Schedule.... I just felt like... Well, unleashing... Luckily for me, what should I find all bright and sparkly in my e-mail box when I return from UP IN SMOKE at the Alamo Drafthouse? Well, before I left for New York, I had a series of telephone conversation with an agent in San Francisco named... BURLYMAN! Burlyman has the ability to take photos without security noticing him. In fact, according to urban myth, there might even be more photos on the way.... and in all liklihood, Burlyman is an actual CREW MEMBER.... of course that's just rampant speculation on my part to instill paranoia in the ranks thereby causing greater leaks by way of emotional and mental cracking under the pressure of GEEK EXAMINATION! What is the Matrix? I'll tell ya... The MATRIX is what happens when you give a few million film geeks the ability to coordinate and observe your film set in a carefully orchestrated series of spy watches, hats, shoes, lapel pins, graduation rings and zipper flap! We've got folks hanging out windows, taking shots from sewer drains and tapping on the shoulders of the gods themselves... NOW!!! Before you go any further... you should realize something... THERE ARE SPOILERS HERE! I'm talking stuff like what the NEW BAD GUY BAD GUY BAD GUYS look like and what they are... I'm talking about a special thingee that a certain Ike Turner is gonna be wielding like a bad mutha on Father's Day.... So folks... Read on at your own... delightful.... risk.... MUhahhahahahahaha
Hi King Harry,
I thought of the perfect (most appropriate) spy name, and wish to be
called... "BURLYMAN". Please credit these scoops to myself, Mrs. Burlyman,
Little Burly Junior, and Friend of Burly. What follows are my notes from two
days of watching the set...
STUFF WE SAW THAT CONFIRMS EARLIER REPORTS:
We came across the staging area, (in the parking lot behind the billboards
shown in a previous article) and saw several black Escalades, which are
4-door Cadillac pickup trucks. Lots of extra cars, all from GM. The license
plates of the cars were green on white, and claimed to be from the state of
"metropolitan".
There was a camera stuffed inside a newspaper box.
They were shooting in front of another tv repair shop. The phone booth in
front had signs that say "city".
I have NOT seen any Ferraris or Porsches. In fact, the whole production
seems to be sponsored by GM. Every car from the land of "metropolitan" was
either a Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Chevy, or Cadillac. The only exceptions were
the two BMW 7-series cars that were cut in half (blown up?) See attached
photos.
STUFF WE SAW THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN YET:
The white guys with silver dreadlocks and silver clothes were physical
representations of computer viruses (virii), and looked magnificent in their
flowing silver trench coats. Without the coats, they looked kinda silly,
like scientologists from the planet of bad movies.
We were told it took 2 hours each day to get the virii into their makeup,
and another two hours to get them out.
The car previously thought to be the Cadillac Evoq is actually the new 2002
Cadillac Catera, a 4-door sedan meant to compete with the BMW 3-series.
There were about 7 or 8 of them on set, all identical silver cars. It is not
Neo's car, and he apparently has nothing to do with it. Instead, it is the
car driven by Trinity, with Morpheus riding shotgun while on a cell phone.
There's an asian man in the left back seat (beige work shirt, brown trench
coat, green back pack, glasses), and this is during a high speed chase
through downtown streets, a parking garage, a tunnel, and under some
overpasses. The "chasers" are the previously referenced virii, driving the
black Escalades, with one virus hanging out of the sunroof, blasting away
with a machine gun. (ALMOST had a photo of this -- woulda been so cool...)
Someone helpful told me this story from earlier in the day: Carrie-Anne
Moss' stunt double, being chased by the virii while driving the Catera,
blasted out of a basement-level parking garage onto the street. When she
did, the car was supposed to turn onto the street -- but during one take,
the car didn't make the turn and hit the curb, actually tearing out the
car's front wheels. There was fire, sparks, a whole lotta noise. Oops. Throw
that car onto the scrap heap, and bring me another one, will ya?
Another story from earlier today -- this from an unquestionably accurate
source: These automotive pyrotechnics could have happened because the person
in the driver's seat - Carrie-Anne Moss' stunt double, was not actually
driving the car. The real driver was a stunt driver in the back seat of the
car (!) Fish was riding shotgun. (Note of clarification - for some stunt
takes, this special car was used. For others, regular cars were used.)
The Freeway in Alameda is indeed on an old airstrip, and looks to be about
one mile long. It has one overpass, and one freeway sign. (Note from Mrs.
Burlyman -- The freeway sign says "Wacker Drive - 1/2 mi, Pope Avenue - 1
3/4 mi".) They're creating more signs in a nearby warehouse. (Is Pope a
reference to the first film's Director of Photography, whose last name is
Pope?)
There's a parking lot of GM cars sitting at one end of the "freeway", just
waiting to be used. It's like a portable traffic jam.
The working title of this film is apparently "Burlyman". (amusing note -
they have a "mobile billboard" -- a truck with a billboard on the back, and
it promotes a film called "Burlyman". The car chase goes right by, and the
billboard might actually make it into the film as one of those window-washer
type of Wachowski-jokes).
THE MOST IMPRESSIVE THING WE SAW
We saw a scene where the Catera swerves through the opposing traffic of a
red-light, chased by the Escalades, and blocked by several police cars,
which fishtailed to stop the Catera. All the cars converged on the
intersection at the same time, and it was simply breathtaking to see the
precision with which the scene was filmed. We watched 4 or 5 takes, and each
time it seemed impossible for the cars to emerge unscathed -- but they just
backed all the cars up and redid it until they were happy.
THE FUNNIEST THING WE SAW
For the takes of this scene that used the real actors, they didn't even use
an actual Catera. Instead, they had "the Spare Parts Express". It was a
full-size van, with everything behind the cab cut off, exposing the frame.
On the frame, they placed a shell of a Catera, and stuck lights and cameras
all around the thing. It looked pretty funny to see it swerving around
through all the traffic.
MOST FRUSTRATING PART OF THE EXPERIENCE
In attempting to shoot photos, we faced a worthy adversary. Between the crew
guys with blue badges, the set guys with yellow badges, GM guys hoping to
keep their future cars secret, and the many watchful policemen, everybody
was watching out for (and actually chasing) people with cameras. Getting any
photos at all was very difficult.
SHORT TAKES
We saw some workers prepping a Catera to be shot up, by using a hammer and
chisel to cut away at the middle of the roof.
There were two stunt doubles for Carrie-Anne Moss, and two for Fish.
(Impressive note from Mrs. Burlyman - Fish's shoes were shiny purple
alligator skin, and looked very, very expensive. In fact, Mrs. Burlyman
marvels at how completely awe-inspiring his whole outfit -- nay, his very
presence -- was. He embodies coolness.) Carrie-Anne Moss' doubles were much
shorter than she was.
There is no mistaking Carrie-Anne Moss for anyone else. She has a very
distinctive jawline, and if you ever see her on the street, you'll know it's
her.
I spoke to a lady who was an extra as a passenger on a bus. She said the car
in back of the bus was shot and blown up.
The chase that was filmed today included a huge explosion, I think. I was
unfortunately about a mile away when I saw a very large cloud of black smoke
over the filmed area. Never did confirm what this was.
We were told that the portions of the film(s?) shot in downtown Oakland
would end up as about 25 minutes of total screentime.
There were a couple of actors dressed in grey "Brinks" -type uniforms.
COOLEST EVENT OF THE DAY: Being in the presence of both Wachowskis, Laurence
Fishburne, AND Carrie-Anne Moss -- at the same time!! I really enjoyed
watching them work, and seeing them all create, even if I was about 40 feet
away.
COOLEST NEWS OF THE DAY: Someone I spoke to told me of an event earlier in
the day, where Laurence Fishburne was wondering, "how should I carry my
sword? Like this, or like that?"
OTHER COOLEST NEWS OF THE DAY: Someone I spoke to said "you will not see
Keanu Reeves on the streets of Oakland at all. All of his scenes are filmed
indoors."
FINAL NOTE FOR A ONE-PERSON AUDIENCE: To my dear Mrs. Burlywoman --
Carrie-Anne Moss may have a shiny ass, but I'm in love with yours. ;)
peace, love, and affordable firepower --
-- THE BURLYMAN
"Private Eyes.... Are Watching You..... Watching your evvvvvery moooove...." --- Heh heh heh you can run, but you can't hide!
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where's the food court at?
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Didn't have any pictures at first.
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The Matrix was soooo overated by science-fiction fan boys, everything was so "convenient" that happened. this I do not need to see.
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Yes it is. This is the sort of stuff that we
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I always had a feeling there was some kind of "winking" at the audience with the window washer guys (or was it just one?) in the first Matrix. Thing is, I'll be buggered if I know what the joke is. Anybody know?
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access hollywood on monday
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Damm If those watshitski Brothers Don'tstop stealing my script ideas Im gonna go all fuckin ray-ban on their asses!! Damm. Well You can'tcome up with anything creative anymore with out being compared to some other movie anyway... Oh well HEY HARRY WELL DONE. Good Scoop.Keep it coming and uh one last word MOMENTO
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spiderman hype
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I Just got an inside scoop that the new Matrix film will be shot using a new video format, Hi8.
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Mar 31, 2001 1:58:22 AM CST
By the way, it always seems to me that the people who criticize
by llghtst0rmer
...typically have no idea what they're talking about. I mean, an opinion is just an opinion, and if it simply wasn't your cup of tea, then that's fine. But when people start trying to point out "shortcomings" of the movie or (especially) the script, their reasoning usually sounds like the inane ramblings of wanna-be film enthusiasts and dime store intellectuals. Believe it or not, folks, the script for The Matrix was a very well-written piece of work; structually superb, narratively very imaginative, and quite philisophically insightful. I'm actually surprised it was greenlighted "as-is" by a major studio (and even more surprised that said studio was Warner Brothers,) simply because it was much more intelligent than just about any other science fiction film in recent memory. (With the exception of, say, Gattaca.) That's my two cents. And if you don't like it, I believe you may go to hell. LIGHTSTORMER OUT.
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Mar 31, 2001 2:06:53 AM CST
um, I might be way off the mark re: the windowwashers, but...
by half vader
... I thought it was a jokey metaphor for Neo beginning to see the world a bit more clearly. But what do I know?
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5 Posts and already you start hacking other people on this site. I admit i am no better than you are. But at least if your gonna bitch and wine,have a point. The Matrix Was a good sci-fi script but it was very hollywood. If you think is was shakespeare than OK. Total Recall now there was a screenplay. If you don't think this is a standard "hollywood formating" its a good bet you don't write. Just another would be filmmaker projecting your anger at all those around you.
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i am looking forward to the day when the production transferes to Sydney, and hopefully they can get on with making the film in private. Test screenings are fine, rumours and rumblings are fine, but painstakingly detailed on set leaks that reveal every point in mind numbing detail just destroy the whole point of going to watch a film and seeing something new.
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(1) I wasn't talking to you. I wasn't talking *about* you. I wasn't even *thinking* of you. If anyone, I was responding to what's-his-names' "Stink Stank Stunk" post. I assumed your "The Whatshitski bro's are ripping me off" rant was purely sarcastic; I felt no need nor any desire to respond to something so obviously untrue. If you were serious, however, then my only response would be: you've gotta be kidding me. (2) >>"...if your gonna bitch and wine,have a point.">"If you think is was shakespeare than OK. Total Recall now there was a screenplay.">"If you don't think this is a standard "hollywood formating" its a good bet you don't write. Just another would be filmmaker projecting your anger at all those around you."<< What sense of the word "formatting" are you going by? Structure? Yes, it had a beginning, middle, and end. Hollywood didn't invent that. But I assume you mean some other definiton. (Perhaps "formula" was what you were thinking of.) And yes, it was a very mainstream movie, if that's what you're trying to say. I was only claiming it was a very *intelligent* mainstream movie, compared to the garden variety CRAP the studios spend so much damn money on. (See "Starship Troopers," "Hollow Man," "Armageddon," "Wing Commander," "Lost In Space"... the list goes on and on and on.) And as for your vitriolic attack on me as a writer... shit. You don't know me. You don't have a clue what I do, nor what I'm about. And since I acknowledge that fact, I'm not hurling all the epithets in the English language at you right now, because when it comes to making assessments on me, you simply have no idea what you're talking about. And I never had any intention of "lashing out" at anybody with my post; just stating my case. But evidently you felt the need to try and rip me apart with your insipid attempt at psychoanalyzing me. Just do me a favor... leave the mind games to those who *have* them, ok, Gomer? Many thanks. Lightstormer out.
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If you were talking about the Guy Pierce movie, it's spelled "M_e_mento."
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Mar 31, 2001 3:28:04 AM CST
this is further proof that Matrix 2 will ROCK! read this & weep
by mooncake
this is one of the best scoops i've ever read! dam excellant! Matrix 2 will rock natalie portmans panties off!!! what does Lucas have for Episode 2?? i bet ya it's going to be kiddie f*cking pod racing again....in outer space! can't wait to see how Matrix makes a mockery out of the stale retard Episode 2! READ THIS & WEEP LUCAS!
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Mar 31, 2001 3:34:32 AM CST
Hey... if they have human representations of computer viruses in
by llghtst0rmer
...there's a chance we might get to see them beating the everloving shit out of the Intel "Blue Men?" I'd pay more than the requisite $8.50 for _that_.
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See, they had astonishingly similar images (try comparing the cathedral battle in GitS to the lobby battle in Matrix) and they both dealt with the idea of humans and machines as opposing forces. But while Matrix simplified the dynamic into a battle (Humans Good, Machines Bad), GitS actually asked the hard questions (Is it possible that our time is coming to an end.. with the machines or a hybrid about to step in and acheive more than we ever could)
'Course, Matrix has 2 more movies to do that in, so I have to wait until I start getting annoyed, but I found the first movie mostly slapped a superficial anime-look veneer on a core of very simple, traditional Hollywood cliches (and the fact that they did some clever things with those same cliches doesn't make them less hackneyed.) -
on the fact that casting Aaliyah is a severe letdown. The chick can't sing let alone act. Sounds to me like Joel Silver is reusing rejects from that crap Romeo must Die. Seriously psyched up about the sequels nevertheless. Matrix was one of the most exciting american action movies of the last ten years (the two others being Die hard with a vengeance and Face/Off). Sure it took elements from various movies but it integrated them well.
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Mar 31, 2001 6:06:06 AM CST
Yeah, yeah, STAR WARS sucks, MATRIX sucks, STAR WARS sucks, MATR
by sith lord jesus
. . .personally I'm looking forward to both, as well as to LORD OF THE RINGS. The argument over these movies reminds me of the neverending Mac vs PC bitchfest in that it is equally stupid. All three film series have their strengths and weaknesses. Just sit back and enjoy.
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Gotta say, this guy got a lot of photos in if, as he claims, security against cameras was this tight. Hats off to ya...But why the tight-ass security? I mean, the cars are gonna be revealed at motorshows soon enough, and I've been on a film set (The Mummy Returns) where they warned us about cameras, but hardly made an effort to stop the extras using them between takes, because they knew it was harmless. It's not like a few broken BMWs is gonna ruin the plot for net readers...as for the whole Matrix 2 Vs. Episode 2 debate: I saw both their predecessors in 99, I enjoyed both their predecessors in 99, and I'll see both sequels next year. The debate is pointless, but then again it's kinda fun to read so I won't complain about it.
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Still looking forward to BOTH films however, as well as LOTR.
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so easily ready to dismiss star wars whenever some new sci-fi film comes along so what if the phantom menace wasn't that great there are still two more films and from what i've seen of ep 2 so far it looks like it's gonna rock, let's just see how matrix 2 and 3 are when they come out the first one was unique but now it's been done let's see them make and empire out of their sequel when they do that then come talk to me about it's ability to be better than star wars
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This is one of the best on-set with sneaked photos reports ever. Burlyman....YOU da man !!(and Mrs Burly, and lil' Burly too, of course.
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He was extremely reluctant to believe everything he had witnessed,and once he knew the secrets, he was still nowhere as good as fighting and handling the world as Morpheus and Trinity...he has more to learn as he goes along. trinity is like 200 times more experienced than neo, so her role is more of a partner to the chosen one..also, why would you make a movie focused around someone who knows what they're doing? Dosen't make it as fun, now does it?
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i still dont understand how anyone could have liked episode one. it was the most over rated, and disapointing movie of the decade. the original starwars was shiny and new, but the action in episode one has been seen a million times in other movies. dam thing looks more like a cartoon than a motion picture. and i think we all know whats going to happen in the next 2 movies. lucas promised lots of suprises, but the only suprise i got from this predictable movie, was that he used jar jar in it
and ppl who diss matrix cant find anything else to say xept "i dont like the cyber thing", or that its a copy of ghost in the shell. the story of the matrix was writen at least a good 10 years ago, before ghost in the shell came out. the only reason it wasnt made into a movie back then was because the technology wasnt good enough to do the movie justice. after all its based in a computer world. i think the only reason ppl say they like episode one, is coz its starwars. lucas could have released a video of him on the john for 2 hours, called it 'starwars: episode one', and ppl would be sticking up for it. just coz it has the starwars name. -
oh one more thing. episode one had very cheap, cartoonish action sequences, so i doubt the next 2 movies would be any better than part one. thats like saying maybe jaws 2 and 3 will be even better than part one!
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this story is shit. what a waste of all this space. this is the worst report ever, it's bollocks. futuristic cars? fucking 80's volvos! look at this; 1) a picture of a bird coming from make up, 2) an 80's volvo with the back cut off 3) john travolta on his phone to the catering bloke to see if he wants to produce battlefield earth 2 with him 4) johny 5 looking into the window of a parked volvo. 5) parked volvos 6/7) shit stunt doubles, 8) the bonnet of a car 9) a pissed security guard 10) a fucking bus....... these are wank. oh, i almost got a shot of a bloke hanging out of a car shooting elvis as he made his way back from mars that would have been so cool. a fucking photo of one of the cleaners wiping a trail of shit from the bottom of a bog after larry fishburne had built a massive ten pound solid log cabin after a night on the piss and a curry would have been interesting, but these are just plain wank. call this news. oh matrix 2 will rock, george lucas must be shitting himself, haha he must be pissing himself fucking laughing at how pathetic these cunts "spy" photos are. i could have taken these in my street.
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That is actually kinda creepy. Imagine it, these guys are gonna be worse than Agent Smith and his goons. I can't wait to see this.
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Mar 31, 2001 10:17:30 AM CST
I AM SICK OF ALL THE IDIOTS WHO ARE DISSING LUCAS SO THEY CAN L
by shiva
YEAH,you you know who you are wiseguys.IF I HEAR THAT KIND OF TALK AGAIN I AM GONNA COME OUT THERE AND GIVE YOU A SPANKING WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE.As for the rest of you film geeks who fell in love with Star Wars,made it up into some kind of cultural icon,foamed at the mouth when Lucas went a"step ahead" and wrote the "DARK" TESB, completely lost it when your Bible-in-the-making took a U-turn and returned to its afternoon matinee roots in ROTJ,AND FINALLY DECIDED THAT LUCAS WAS A HACK WHEN HE MADE THE PHANTOM MENACE I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU STILL ADOLESCENT ASSHOLES-LUCAS RULES.YOU know why?Because inspite of all the fanboy pressure he still made a movie on his own terms,without studio money.He dictated terms to the studio and theatres as to how his movie should be presented and he made $460+million inspite of the legendary fan backlash.Now how many Hollywood film-makers have done that?None that I know of.Even Spielberg has to play the studio game.This guy is a pioneer in each and every department of filmaking and you call him a hack.Well thats because none of you can see beyond the all important Star Wars saga.Have any of you seen THX-1138(NOT THE THEATRE SYSTEM YOU NITWIT),AMERICAN GRAFITTI(MILES AHEAD OF AMERICAN PIE OR ANY OF THE TEEN CRUD ON OFFER RIGHT NOW)or any of his student short films?If you havent please see them and then form an opinion abot his ability(that is if you have the mental capacity to do so).If you really want to discuss the Star Wars saga then I think we must first understand that all Lucas wanted to do was make a kind of Saturday afternoon matinee-Flash Gordon-Man From U.N.C.L.E,kind of fantasy.The Hidden Fortress gave him a template to start with.Seen in this context Star Wars seems to fit the bill just fine as pure escapist entertainment.I think it was the fans and the media who drove Lucas to taking himself too seriously.Hence TESB.I dont think Star Wars should be the basis upon which this visionary must be judged.Martin Scorsese said that he was like the old pioneering studio heads,creating a new system whose worth we could only appreciate well into the future.Lucas himself has mentioned on several occasions his directorial shortcomings.I think he is selling himself short there.I think that Liam Neeson,Ewan McGregor,and the others were made to play their parts in a wooden manner for a reason.The Phantom Menace I think is the closest Lucas has come to achieving his Saturday afternoon matinee yet.It has all the characteristics of one,rigt down to those wipes.I watched Star Wars as a young boy and was sucked into the story by Lucas' storytelling method.I think he is trying to create that sense of wonder for another generation.I remember taking my younger brother (age 9)to see TPM,and I saw on his and on the faces of all the other kids of his age watch the film with the same sense of wonder that I did when I was their age and watched young Luke Skywalker.I think the least our generation can do is graciously step aside and let a new generation enjoy the saga which we loved so much when we were young, instead of whining like spoilt brats.I hope I havent hurt any feelings of those of you out there but sometimes we must let it go if we want to savour its memory later.
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I know I'm wandering into the tall cotton, but think about how hard it must have been for Jesus to find out that he was the son of God. There are no mentions of Jesus between the time of his adolesence and 33 years old. I'm sure that he was just going on about his merry way in life until he has the fate of all humanity thrust upon him much like Neo and the whole "Woooooooo.... you're the chosen one." Just like Neo resisted the responsibility, Jesus too showed signs of resistance as his fate became clear.(Mark 14;36)"Father, all things are possible unto thee, take away this cup from me". I definitely see a parallel between the two. Jesus was also bought before the church elders just like Neo was bought to the Prophet Woman to find if he was the one. It is only at the end of The Matrix when Neo totally excepts his gifts much like Christ that he is lifted to a higher level. Notice how he effortlessly, peacefully and gracefully takes flight. I don't know about anyone else, but I have always looked at this movie in Biblical terms. If you haven't maybe you should try it. It's actually kind of fun. It kindof adds another level.... (peace)
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Another biblical reference to the "Father the Son and the Holy Spirit". My cousin recently married a preacher who had never seen the Matrix, but loved the name so much that he named his daughter Trinity.
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First of all, Ghost in the Shell was an anime (Japanese Animation since you obviously don't know what it is) released in the mid 90's. It's quite similar to the Matrix, except it predates the Martix by a very good margin of time. I don't care if you've heard of it or not. It's better than the Matrix. The reason you've never heard of it is because, as much as some people still hate to admit it, anime is a niche market. But still, many non-anime fans have heard of GHost in the Shell. ANyway, the point is, just because you've never heard of something doesn't mean it isn't good. It just means you've never heard of it. To say that makes you look like a stupid kindergartener. Which, hey, you probably are, but that's no business of mine.
Anyway, about Matrix vs Star Wars....SHUT THE HELL UP YOU WHINEY BASTARDS! Not one of you knows how the movies will turn out. Not a fucking one of you. THey might bothy suck. Has anyone of you hardheaded bastards EVER though about that? Just wait and see you impateint pre-schoolers. -
I always thought the Biblical references in "The Matrix" were rather obvious. Think about it - the whole theme of the movie was that life as we know it was not real - just an illusion, and there`s something else beyond that waiting for us. Then of course the 'chosen one' stuff, the name 'Trinity', and there`s others still.
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Strange... this isn't really a Star Wars Talkback, but since it has *become* a sub-topic, I just wanted to say a thing or two about your post. >>"[Lucas] dictated terms to the studio and theatres as to how his movie should be presented and he made $460+million inspite of the legendary fan backlash.">"This guy is a pioneer in each and every department of filmaking and you call him a hack.">"I think the least our generation can do is graciously step aside and let a new generation enjoy the saga which we loved so much when we were young, instead of whining like spoilt brats."<< This is a great point. I think, by and large, a lot of us have rather foolishly slipped into the state-of-mind that Lucas owes us certain... I don't know... rights? Concessions? Expectations? Hard to put my finger on it. But basically too many people rake him over the coals because his last movie did not meet their expectations. And that's asinine. George Lucas made a George Lucas film. That's all he really had to do, ultimately. Hell, he didn't have to continue the series. If he had decided not to even make Episodes 1-3, that would have been his choice, and he would have every right to make it. I agree with you that we should try to simply cherish the meaning the original trilogy had for us in our youths, and let today's kids cherish the new films likewise. That's all. Sorry for the traditional rambling. Hope you're still awake. ;-) Lightstormer out.
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Listen people Matrix 2, is a long way off. So why dont you get away from your computer screens get down to the cinema and watch a truly brilliant film MEMENTO, put's last years films to shame. P.s Dreadlocked virus guys...hmmm! quite poor actually.
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Jesus Christ! You guys are PATHETIC! Is this all you ever do? One of my interns says that this shit is about as bitter as the Cold War. Or Rush Limbaugh trapped in an elevator with Bill Clinton that broke because Clinton had repeatedly hit the emergency stop button in the past for "intern relief." If you guys actually saw each other in the flesh, maybe you'd wipe each other out. Hopefully. But you're probably like your multi-chinned leader, where bullets and knives and chainsaws would only cut through so far. And you expect me to respect this shit? Hell is other people's movies, I guess.
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I just want to say I agree woth you St Buggering. Episode 2 will take a hell of a lot more money than Matrix 2, and that is probably even if Episode 2 isnt even as good as Matrix 2. The fact of the matter is, every Star Wars and George Lucas hater would absolutely go bezerk if Mr Lucas died before making Episode 3. It would be damn funny, because every single one of us is waiting for the next part of THE STORY. THE STORY which grabbed us in eps 4,5 and 6, which made most of stand back in Amazement when they first came out and be totally entertained by. Special Effects which melted in each of our mouths and quenched that appetite for believing in the unreal. You only have to look at the SFX of Watto in Episode 1 to know that George has gone further than this, up his sleeves are magical delights set to be shown upon the screen. So all you star wars haters you will be in line for Episode 2 (Even if it is only to see whether it sucks), I DARE YOU...Dont Watch it EVER...when your mates say it was shit, dont go and watch it. You know yourselves this would be very hard to do. The reason for this is that you have to see it, to slate it and get your little talkback in Harry's Forum and hope you piss off LUCAS. It wont piss him off because he just had another customer at his film showing, giving more money to advancements in technology of his EP3 film. If Georgie died before EP3 ever was completed, we would never be greeted by its presence, and what us talkbackers thought would be the EP3 Plot and Script i.e Rumours, would haunt the old walls of Talkback for the rest of eternity.
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Don't like Star Wars? Fine. So don't spend your time or money on it. I have never understood why people talk about how much they hate something, then go and watch it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Why are you spending so much time hating it? Are you afraid your web friends won't think you're cool if you don't hate it? Also, why all the swearing? It doesn't matter if you are making a good point, we stop listing as soon as you swear. And one last thing, if Star Wars is so bad a movie. Why are holding every movie up to it to see how it compares? Thank you for your time.
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Mar 31, 2001 2:43:33 PM CST
Yeah?!? Well, I prefer the "Back to the Future" trilogy to BOTH
by user id indeed!
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Mar 31, 2001 3:46:17 PM CST
Have Any Of Y'All Read Phillip K. Dick's 1964 Novel WHO THE HELL
by buzz maverik
It's about this guy named Buzz who was bored one day in '98 or '99 so he went to the movies. In '98 or '99 people see movies at these places with lots of little theaters inside them called multiplexes. Buzz decided to see this thing called THE MATRIX because he had Larry Fishburne in it. He really liked the movie but later couldn't remember much of the plot. He remembered the FX and stunt work, but soon found out there were a whole lot of other movies with similar stunts in a genre called Wire Fu. Hollywood started making a lot of other wire fu movies that Buzz either didn't like or didn't bother to see. Soon a debate broke out on this thing called the Web about which was better: THE MATRIX or a movie called EPISODE 1. Buzz didn't understand this because he always thought that a person could see and like more than one movie. It was a great book, definitely one of Dick's best.
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God damn. "Episode 1 sucks and everyone knows it!" No, everyone does NOT know it, jackass. Jar Jar sucked. Anikin sucked. We know that. But we also know that the final lightsaber-fight had so much going on that we and our friends left the theater in absolute fucking AWE. "Matrix 2's gonna suck! Episode 2's gonna suck!" You arrogant fucks don't have the FAINTEST IDEA. We haven't seen ANYTHING yet except some dubious spy shots and some even more dubious reports on the script. That's like saying dinner's gonna suck just because you HEARD oregano MIGHT be in it. Get over yourselves, for christ's sake. If you convince yourself a movie's gonna suck, it will, and that's one less moment of joy in your life. So try to have some fuckin' patience and tolerance. Jesus.
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I find it funny that people are defending The script and the "wonderful writing" in The Matrix. If this is what passes for quality, than we have certainly entered the darkest days of our civilizations descent. Get Over It People! Matrix is terrible and never rises above the level of a comic book. And Yes, I dare to say that while comics may be creative and entertaining, they are little more than junk food. And by the way, the FX shots in Matrix were old before the movie ever came out. Anybody remember the credit card commercial of the 360 degree courtyard shot? It was an overused gimmick when the movie came out, and gimmicks are just a way to sell something that has no other value.
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It don't take money... it don't take fame... it don't take a credit card to ride this train....
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I am really excited about the next two Matrix movies. What more can I say? Oh yea, help a brother out and visit FIRSTANDGOAL.XS3.COM
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... until it's ripped out by an Aztec high priest and set aflame!!! Mwa ha ha! Die, Lewis! This is for "Duets"! And this is for not mentioning St. Louis in that friggin song! You even mentioned Oklahoma City! Do they have giant geometric figures? Do they have any home run records? Are the Final Four games over there?? NO! They have cows! And... hey, I talked about "Back to the Future" in my other post. And Huey Lewis had a hit single in there! Whoa! And Huey Lewis was in "Duets" with Gwyneth Paltrow, who was in "Shakespeare in Love" with Dame Judi Dench, who was in "Goldeneye" with Alan Cumming, who was in "Spy Kids" with Danny Trejo, who was in "Con Air" with Nic Cage, who was in "The Rock" with Ed Harris, who was in "Apollo 13" with Kevin Bacon!!! ...Who was in "JFK" with John Candy, who was in "JFK" with... KEVIN BACON! Who was in "JFK" with..... KEVIN BACON!!!! Hey, I'm good at this game. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed!, and I've always wanted to be in a Beauty Contest!... wait, who is this? -CLICK-
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C'mon folks. Please tell me that it was obvious to you that the Matrix was Biblical. Not only that but it took from every major religion and philosophy and threw everything into a blender and there you go. Oh, and throw some Alice in Wonderland on top for seasoning. Look, the Matrix is not a great film. That does not mean that it was not groundbreaking. But it was not a great film. It was a very typical story set in a very untypical setting. Fight scenes were very original. Idea (as in the MATRIX itself) somewhat original. But on the all not a great film. But I did enjoy it. BUT IT WAS NOT AS DEEP AS EVERYONE SAYS IT IS. Unless you have no knowledge of world religions or philosophy. Oh and by the way Episod I was for kids. You would of loved it when you were a kid.
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Oops... is that a dead horse I'm beating? Sorry, Huey.
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Mar 31, 2001 10:37:44 PM CST
This is weird. I'm going to commend somebody for clarifying my
by llghtst0rmer
Mr. Manilow... it really is kind of funny, but your post more or less stated the points I was making earlier (re: The Matrix's script,) although you are opposing it for the things I was praising. I referred to the story as philisophically literate, imaginitive, and intelligent. What I had in mind, specifically, were such things as the ideas and images they borrowed from Descartes, and also the references / similarities to Alice in Wonderland. I guess where we see differently is that I thought it was all a good mix of these varied elements, and I guess you just considered it, well, a narrative Frankenstein, or something. (Is that a good metaphor?) And I also disagree that it was a "very typical story," but it's quite possible you read more s/f than I do. (I don't really read any at all; I just watch the movies. I'll bet the books are better, though.) I thought it was very unique for a big Hollywood flick. It was smarter than most, IMO. That's my two cents, at any rate.
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Funny thing is, you posted while I was still writing. D'OH!
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Well for starters who cares which is going to be better EP2 or Matrix2...ooooooo wait then watch then fuckin whinge yer arses off
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Apr 01, 2001 3:29:47 AM CDT
The Matrix over Star Wars anytime....everyone but the oldest die
by aussiefilmgeek
Jason X and Halloween-Michael Myers.Com will both be better films than The Matrix or Sw2. Long Live The Slasher Flick...
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i'm not sure if this is true, but apparently the fight at the end of episode one was partly shot in Hi8. i think the next one is gonna be shot on it too. TTFN
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matrix kicks the shit out of starwars. get over it. its possible that episode 2 will be better than matrix 2, but u wont know til theyre both out. so save ur arguements til then
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I don't know if the statement that TR war a great script was tongue in cheek or not, but if it was serious, please explain. The "twist" of the Blue Sky ending felt like a ripoff. Unlike the Sixth Sense, it doesn't hold up on subsequent viewing.
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Mr. Lightstormer, I do not read scifi. Well except for Vonnegut (but is that considered scifi?). Your statement about Frankenstein was good. I did feel like that. Maybe i am dumb but I just do not get the whole "I am amazed it was greenlighted" phrase. I am not bashing anybody's ideas of the film. This is MY opinion. But I am tired of hearing people using the Matrix to describe views and opinions instead of going to the original sources. Let me clarify. I am around Christians everyday (and am one as well) and they use the Matrix as an analogy all the time. I do not have a problem per say with this (It is a good way to communicate with teenagers) but they think that this is all original. Too many people do not realize that all the matrix was was a ripoff of all famous beliefs. This is why I say that it was not that deep. I am not saying I am better than anyone else because of my opinions. I am merely saying that we can not, should not, blow the Matrix up to something that is not. Let me say again that I did enjoy the film and I look forward to the sequels. Maybe not as much as other people here but I am still excited to see where the Bro's take it. Hopefully they will shock me. TO THE MOVIES!!!!
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...anyone else think Bound was an outstanding film? It had the same atmospheric feel as Matrix (same cinematographer) but substituted action for some incredible suspense. It may not be the film of their's that's most talked about, but in years to come people will look past the on-screen lesbian controversy and see it for the sheer genius that it is. Practically all of it takes place in 2 rooms, as well - talk about good use of limited resources.
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Apr 01, 2001 4:29:25 PM CDT
And the award for The Most Audaciously Irrelevant Post goes to..
by llghtst0rmer
...Stanley Spector. Come on, dude. Not trying to bust your balls or anything, but a sixty-four line review of Blow on a Matrix 2 talkback? I thought the SW vs. Matrix debate was silly enough. Although I do agree with you that Harry is way too given to hyperbole in his writing, I don't think posting your own review quite makes the point. Especially if it's off-topic. (Don't get me wrong. It was fine writing. Just not very relevant.) That's all.
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>>"Maybe i am dumb but I just do not get the whole "I am amazed it was greenlighted" phrase.">"I am tired of hearing people using the Matrix to describe views and opinions instead of going to the original sources."<< A valuable point. On the other hand, I think it's good that it can be used as a springboard for people to actually learn more and check out those original sources. As a matter of fact, I had a Philosophy instructor actually play the scene in class where Neo is awakened (awoken?) from the Matrix and rescued by Morpheus' crew. He did this to illustrate the points Descartes was writing about, discussing how sensory data could all just be an illusion. So if it interests some 17 year-old to dig into a philosophy textbook, or read the original Alice In Wonderland (or, as you've noted, read the Bible,) then I say "so much the better." Don't you think?
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Apr 01, 2001 8:35:00 PM CDT
"Ghost in the Shell and The Matrix wher both rip-offs of "Neurom
by jmyoda
Maybe you pimple-faced fanboys should stop starring at Trinty's ass while doing the Han Solo and READ THE FUCKING BOOK or any novel by William Gibson and figure out just who the fuck is being ripped off. Geesh!
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Me and my twin brother read for the roles of the "evil martial arts twins"... and I just thought people may be interested in hearing about what happened.
Firstly everything was incredibly "withheld"... and questions were answered with a smile and a - "I can't tell you THAT!!" (even simple things to help with the motive of a line being read)
We left the agency with heartbeats crashing outta our chests. The film's gonna be very dynamic people. I know y'all know... but it'll basically have 2 hours of things we've only seen a few times before if ever...
The scene read infront of cameras to be sent to W Bros... involved a Fu fight with Trinity which leads to my twin bro getting his arm cut off from the elbow! So he's standing there bleeding holding his bloody stump... and I'm forced to kick Trinity's ass! :) Kicking outta me holding a knife to her throat - She runs for a door... and turns around for a big standoff. I tell her to back away from the door... and look at his arm - telling her she's certainly going to pay for that one! He holds his arm up and the damn thing regenerates itself! :) Yep. Just like that. Ha. Was a fun thing to mess around with at the time. Hard to hold back the smiles.
He then tells her to drop her weapons... and then the scene's over.
Basically that's all... but you can see my excitment over the whole deal. If not... go back to being a critical bastard who enjoys slamming cinema more than actually watching it. You're doing a good job at it.
For those who get a little rush... a side smile and a wave of "Damn - I can't wait"..... that was for you.
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William Gibson couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag.
By the way, 'Johnny Mneumonic' was based on a Gibson story, and I don't need to point out what a piece of shit that was.
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Your reply to my opinion of your talkback was not directed at you personaly, as you pointed out NO I don't know you maybe your a super writer. But going by your over the top hostility I would say righting an essay on how much better you are than me proves your a fucking spazz. Mellow the fuck out. And don't make everything personal. And thanks for corecting my spelling, YOUR a super cool guy you get a gold star.
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Why the hell would they go from pimpin 64 lincolns and plain black rotary phones to Cadillacs and BMW's, are these guys sure they taking pictures of the right set? I hopeth not.
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I am so sick of people who think they are so cool because they like Matrix. Yeah-yeah, its a cool movie. But the only people that like the movie at all are males 17-25. Which are the people here. But its annoying that everyone thinks that liking the film makes you cool. If you like it, fine, whatever, but stop dissing Lucas to make yourself feel good.
EII is going to be even more popular than TPM, which means even more than 430 mill. It is going to blow away all the competition, LOTR, X-MenII, MatrixII, TIII. Why? Because Lucas actually puts thought into his films, something the others, except for LOTR, don't really do. And then maybe it won't become so damn uncool to like SW again. -
Apr 04, 2001 2:05:00 PM CDT
Just when I thought I flushed my toilet, Flightsrgn pops up like
by matrix_sux
I'm always amazed why this guy shows up at the END of all these talkbacks and spewing crap. This is almost like stabbing a corpse and proclaiming it a kill.
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...some speedy maniac, unbound to the material world, running straight through it in the heat of the action, running away or running to get someone else.
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The reason Star Wars episode 1 stank is because they added small children, tried to get them to act, and when that didnt work they made computer generated cartoons to speak Jamacan for "comedy" relief.
As far as the Matrix 2 is concerned, I hear they are going to add some small fry. "Dont get me wrong, I have a 3 month old son that's cuter than cute, I just wouldnt pay $8 to see him in a movie".
With that said...
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Personally I don't compare the two at all. Sure they're both popular sci/fi movies but in all actuality the similarities end there. Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure movie, Matrix is a cyberberpunk/action movie. If I had to choose between Matrix 2 and Star Wars 2 I would probably take the matrix simply because I liked the original matrix and didn't like star wars ep1. Don't get me wrong, I love the original movies but after ep1 it's fairly evident that a lot has changed since then. However I also see that the future star wars movies have quite a bit of potential, the wars ending in the destruction of almost every jedi in the galaxy will almost certainly be a fantastic spectacle. Will I see both movies? Absolutely. Will both movies be good? I certainly hope so because I have high hopes for both. This pre-judgement of movies based on their predecessors that's being thrown around on this board is quite immature. None of you can say for certain whether either movie will "kick ass" or "suck" so why don't you just kick back, relax and wait until you've seen the movies to pass judgement.
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A stupid "film" that should be taken away from mankind and burned in a trashpile of animal waste... HATE STAR WARS!!!!!
matrix=good
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I think that sw doesn't have any real plot line I think it is not a story that g lucas wants to write 'cause if he did he wouldn't have waited so long to write the prequal... sw fans are fat greasy haired geeks who are impressed by lights and shiny things. there are few people on this forum who are right and one of the best is flightsrgn.he/she is correct indeed the next matrix WILL FUCKING RULE!
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I liked the matrix, i thought it was a cool movie, that told a OLD story in a somewhat original way. but thats it, its not some amazing film that opened some new field of thought in metaphysics, the idea that reality as we know it is just a "dream" dates back to pre rennasaince france and italy where philosophers like renee decartes questioned reality, even the idea that a computer attached to our lifeless brain can be used to controll what we percieve as reality dates back at least 30 or 40 years, if your intrested in the background on the idea that spawned the matrix i suggest you run a search on an essay entitled "the brains in vats" i have a copy of it in one of my textbooks but its in my car which is in the shop. good movie DEFINITLY, deep philosophical insight, not really.
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Anyone who says that starwars episode 1 is better than the matrix is obviously very ignorant. So let me just say that I feel sorry for you and your incapacity to understand a movie that has meaning on far more levels than SWE1. First of all, "LIGHTSABERS"? Sure it may be "original" but by no means is it even plausible. The matrix offered a view of our future that is plausible. Starwars offered a view that is definately not plausible. Starwars is obviously fantasy NOT Science Fiction. And in my opinion, fantasy is S***. Who wants to have pointless drivvle stuffed into your brain. The Matrix actually had a point and a very good one to: "Anything is possible with the right attitude".
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Everybody is going to love the Matrix II and III. Was just an extra for both in Alameda, CA and it's going to be infu@#ingcredible
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Jul 27, 2001 10:32:26 AM CDT
The only folks who would show up for Matrix2 are faggots and sai
by matrix_sux
Any you fucking homo's that defend this piece of shit!
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See my above post. The TB's are out of order again
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Aug 21, 2001 8:05:01 AM CDT
This movie is going to suck moose cock along with all the leathe
by matrix_sux
Christ, they can't even keep to a fucking schedule, maybe they finally came up with a fucken plot. And for the assholes comparing sw to matrix, are abunch of fucking morons. How the fuck do you compare sci-fi with fucking ewoks? How? Where is your common point? FUcking losers
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Okay, just because you hate something that you know for a fact other people like, in fact that's why you hate it, doesn't make you a complete badass, alright. Here's a few tips on how to make your life better because you live every minute of your lives thinking that Lucas and the Wachowski bros. and all personages therewith are bastards. A lot of you have been complaining about the script of "The Matrix/Episode 1". If you think you can do better, quit your jobs and write a story like the matrix or episode 1 and sale it, just to see if you really are better at movie writing than any of those guys. If the ideas sell, write scripts and coregraphical ideas, sketches, camera angles, monlogue, dialogue, actor postition, photography, cinematography,etc, and just for fun, put a deadline on them-remember, you're writing two so you can show the W.Bros and Lucas that they are sub-par and that anyone without an education on film making can do better;)-and then produce them and hold auditions for the actors, talk to composers about an original soundtrack, talk to modern pop artists to use their songs or have them write their own for the movie. Hire camera-men, gaffers, grips, stuntmen, best boys, assoc. producers, make-up artists. Hire the actors and go over pay with them so you can make them happy by making sacrifices of another actors pay or your pay because this certain actor is greedy and thinks he's God. Hire all of these necessities of a great movie on the studios pay, which, on average, comes to about 100+million 80-90% of the time...oh, wait, you wrote 2 scripts with double the audition time, thus, doubling the actors pay, cameramen, blah blah, yet you don't have a studio to back you up, so you have to pay them, ALL OF THEM, on your salary alone. Kind of a dilemma. Also, you have to talk to computer graphics enigineers and visual effects artists, special fx artists and sound fx artists and hire their studios on your salary for BOTH of your movies. Again, just for fun, put a deadline on all of that, for BOTH MOVIES. Then, assuming you're doing a movie with similar fight scenes as the matrix/episode 1, talk to asian coreographers and hire them and have them train the actors (with that oh so fun deadline). Are any of you beginning to see where I'm going with this? Since none of you can do this, go up to the Wachowski bros and tell them straight up that they are ass goblins and they suck for writing such a mediocre movie! Confront Lucas and tell him he's a jew-whore and deserves to burn in hell slowly! Corner Yuen Wooping and tell him that he's a stupid dink who can't coreograph fights scenes worth shit! Shake your fingers at them! Boo! Boo! For shame! How dare they make a fortune on producing such crap that you can't do! Who do they think they are? Filmakers?
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theres no way the matrix 2 will die in the box office.......
Even though Keanu is a fag.... he's still a integral part of the matrix and adds to the whole matrix theme
This movie is gonna be the shiznit....izel kizel!
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Hey, today I was at the Alameda skatepark which is down the street from the set and we got kicked out (legalize BMX). Anyways, we went down to the set area to find some good riding but we didn't know it was there at the time. There were some huge things there. There was a tall structure with mirrors and a bunch of holes on top that looked like they generate some kind of explosion, then there were some big cylinders (about 20 ft high, 15 ft wide). There was barely any security! We were able to make 2 quarter pipes out of some props and ride em for a while till a security guard finally came out and got in a fight with my friend. No one was around, it was pretty awesome. There was also a heap of burnt helicopter. I'm hoping to go back next weekend and get some pics.
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