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The PHANTOM MENACE DVD Date Is:

Published at: March 18, 2001, 2:57 a.m. CST by staff

October 16, 2001.

I am – Hercules!!

Fox Home Video may change this date just to make a liar out of me, but this date comes from my HIGHLY HIGHLY reliable spy who wishes even his pseudonym to go unnamed. This spy has a long track record with me. He hasn’t steered me wrong yet. I know where he lives.

As rumored, “Phantom Menace” will be a two-disc set, part of Fox’s five-star collector’s series. As rumored, it will feature two versions of the film, one of which will be stripped of special effects. It will feature extra footage, trailers and a 6.1 soundtrack.

But wait! There’s more important news!

The current plan at Fox is to release the first DVD version of “Star Wars” in fourth-quarter (Oct.-Dec.) 2002, the first DVD version of “The Empire Strikes Back” in fourth-quarter 2003, and the first DVD version of “Return of the Jedi” in fourth quarter 2004.

I warn you not to defy me!

I am – Hercules!!





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  • March 18, 2001, 3:11 a.m. CST

    About DAMN time

    by Robnhud

    ummm that is all First BTW, I think

  • March 18, 2001, 3:13 a.m. CST

    i hope a lucas debate doesn't start over this

    by Autolycus33

    ...i just got back from thx1138 in the theater, not bad. i noticed a lot of similarties between a few scenes in that and star wars. it does kinda look like a student film, but it IS a student film so that kewl. worth checking out if you like utopia/dis-topia stories

  • March 18, 2001, 3:13 a.m. CST

    About Bloody Time, although...

    by Katharsys

    having to wait a year between each release is painful! Let's just hope that every title is given the 2-disc Five Star Collection treatment. I'm dying to see the footage of the wampas attacking the rebel Hoth base. I also seem to recall hearing that an hour was trimmed from Empire.

  • March 18, 2001, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Holy shit

    by Ambrose Chappell

    It's true. Well I'll be.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:06 a.m. CST

    It looks as though George...

    by bskutle

    ...is pulling a "Lord of the Rings" with the original trilogy so he can milk us of our money longer. Overall, I'm excited (now if I can just get a DVD player that doesn't f*$! up), however, I'm concerned. While it seems as though none of these will be "definitive" discs of any of the films, what version of the original trilogy are we talking about- the ORIGINAL films or the Special Editions? My guess is going with the latter, though I hope and pray he'll put out the 1977, 1980, and 1983 versions of the films at some point so that those of us not completely satisfied with the '97 SEs can own the originals. As for the people complaining about the long wait in-between discs, it's better than what I originally heard- that he was waiting to finish the prequel trilogy before putting out anything in the DVD. All I have left to say is that I'll be disappointed if he eventually doesn't include commentary by himself, the technical team, and John Williams (especially that latter one).

  • March 18, 2001, 4:10 a.m. CST

    If it's true...

    by Unicorn

    ...then I'll wait until 2004 or 2005 and just get them all at once. No point in getting them piecemeal, when you KNOW the box set is going to happen! I understand the time lag between discs...time enough to give "loving care to the birth of each of them". But I have enough good DVDs (both out and planned) in the meantime, that my player won't be idle until I get the box set. Oh, I'll pick up TPM in the meantime. Why not? It will be worth it to see the "No FX" version of the film. Remember kiddies: No FX, No Jar-Jar!! <grin>

  • March 18, 2001, 4:26 a.m. CST

    6.1 sound?

    by islander

    Looks like I will be buying yet another DVD player. Mayabe the new DVD players will play movies all the way through without pausing breifly. I look forward to the OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT from fox video. But the news I get from hear is almost as good. Now I won't be buying bootleg DVDs of the movies when the home DVD burners come out in a month. I can wait.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:30 a.m. CST

    More

    by Unicorn

    I meant "to buy in the meantime"; slip of the fingers there. I *do* have plenty of discs right now (over 500!), but I also still have a few hundred more great titles I'd love to own (ah, a true film buff). I still don't have Caine Mutiny, or Philadelphia, or Time Bandits, or Psycho, the Benji films (now available again; yay!) or even the new version of Se7en. I am still waiting for decent versions on DVD of The Right Stuff, Gone With The Wind, Terminator, Die Hard Trilogy, and Batman, among others. I am still waiting on release later this year of Forrest Gump, Close Encounters, In Harm's Way, the Superman set, Magificent Seven, Snow White, MASH, the Godfather set, Kramer VS Kramer, V, and ST: TMP...just to name a few. We're all still looking forward to as-yet-not-officially-announced titles such as Citizen Kane, King Kong ('33), Stunt Man, Dirty Harry box set, Victor/Victoria, Clash of the Titans, and Chariots of Fire...all of which have been hinted at as strongly or weakly as the Star Wars films. So I don't need to wait on the pleasure of Lucas, for these OR for Indy Jones (which Paramont just hinted at for next year). I can wait...I'll be busy! Oh, and in the meantime I will agree with the previous poster: when SW:ANH, SW:TESB, and SW:ROTJ *do* ship on DVD, they *really* need to include both the original editions as well as the revisionist Special Edition versions. The "branching" ability of DVDs can take care of that and give us the old- and new-style movies for each, so that the buyer can watch the one they feel most comfortable with. Cool.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Herc...the article says 3?

    by slaveonegz

    Hey Herc...the original post at Test Pattern said 3 versions of TPM...theater, no effects, and a new cut...now you list only 2? Lucas would make everyone happy if he re-edited TPM to make it flow better. What do you think...?

  • March 18, 2001, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Some deleted scenes

    by Manhoganistic

    Hey guys, I work at ILM and saw some deleted scenes. I have not seen the original trilogy as I'm waiting until the "definitive" dvd arrives (Slated some 47 years in the future). It is a little known fact that young Anakin Skywalker does not say "yipee" in the space battle scene. The line cut was actually: "Take that you stupid motherfuckers!". After blasting an enemy, Anakin gets out of his ship and pee's on the smolding rubble of the ship he just destroyed. The reason that the line was changed was that Lucas did not want to ruin the surprise he has in store for the latter films. *****SPOILER*****It turns out that Lucas will eventually have Anakin become an evil jedi. The first line had Anakin turn evil too soon. Also, Obi Wan Kenobi is not a human. This is going to be seen during the 37th issue of the the double trilogy when *****SPOILER****** Ewan Macgregor is replaced by a rather out of place stop motion animation beagle dog and his sidekick, a yellow bird. The dog will look and be younger in the second trilogy thus causing the second greatest and most obvious incontinuity in film history. The final clip restored for all of Lucas' fans (released in the dvd slated to street 4th quarter 2067) ****SPOILER****is that Palpatine is not actually Anakin's father as revealed at the end of Episode 2. This scene, much like the scene in Empire, will reveal Palpatine as the father by using the same lines (and even the same names, believe it or not) as the first trilogy. The truth seen in this version of the film, is that Palpatine is a giant midichlorian visible only to people who say "yippee" and their whiny little bitch kids.

  • March 18, 2001, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Prequel dates?

    by Planet Zac

    At the current rate, DVD will be obselete by the time they get to episode 3.

  • March 18, 2001, 6:06 a.m. CST

    A Word Of Advice For Those Of You Who Intend To Purchase This DV

    by RightWing Dude

    Wait until after 2005 when all 6 films are available. Do you fellas actually believe that these DVD's aren't going to be the first DVD Editions? Nope! In 2006 Lucas will release yet another (supposedly the "definitive")edition of all 6 STAR WARS films, complete with the motherload of extras. Many of you who purchased the forthcoming DVD's & did not see this coming will gripe & bitch about what a sorry bastard Lucas is, all the while purchasing the new editions. Wait until 2006!

  • March 18, 2001, 6:43 a.m. CST

    by Westrum

    that's really nice of lucas and fox to shit them out like a constipated cow for us. jesus, can anything be more stupid than releasing them one every year? and then of course, after episode 3 comes out they'll probably release them all again. i'm just getting really pissed off with seeing star wars get released and pulled from the market every 6 months. i bought the special edition in 97, and i'm not going any further unless there is a virtual plethora of extras on the dvds in 2006. i'm not giving those bastards any more of my money. i might get blasted for this, but star wars ain't that great anyway. don't get me wrong, when i was younger i thought they were brilliant. and even now, technically speaking they're great. but the first movie had shitty writing, piss-poor acting in general, and poor direction. people who criticize episode one should criticize the original star wars for the same reason. at least empire and return of the jedi had kasdan to write, and it was at least presentable in that department. SCREW YOU FOX, I'M NOT YOUR TOOL!

  • March 18, 2001, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by SaintX99

    HAHA..I bet that Lucas wont put that god-awful 1978 holiday special on DVD..has anyone seen that?

  • March 18, 2001, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Who Cares?!!!

    by Stimpson J Cat

    I have been coming to to read these postings for months now,and one would think that no one and mean no one would buy that piece of shit of a movie.I know im not going to fly out to get it.

  • March 18, 2001, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck the DVD

    by jaminator45

    Screw the dvd. I got the Laserdisc with 5.1 surround off ebay 6 months ago. Laserdisc still kicks ass, this one in particular. The only thing you have to deal with is japanese subtitles in the letterbox. I have a 16x9 tv, so i just adjust the mode so the letterbox dissapears. By the way, 6.1 is probably incorrrect. They are probably referring to dolby digital EX. which is 7.1 surround. 2 subwoofers, and a channel between front and back. You would need a new Reciever to decode the signal, not a new dvd player. This format is included with the laserdisc as well.

  • March 18, 2001, 9:46 a.m. CST

    B.S.

    by sprocket-bot

    Seriously folks, aint it cool will probably be the LAST to have ANY finalized details on the Star Wars DVD's! Their are a couple of BONIFIED DVD news sites that have more connections and inside info regarding ANYTHING related to SW on DVD...THAT'S a proven FACT!!! The 5-Star is VERY doubtful, this is, after all, a Lucasfilm property, and a decision like that is probably a ways off. All that is KNOWN for certain is that TPM IS coming at the end of the year, it WILL be a 2-disc set and it is said that they will max both DVD's out! As far as the original trilogy being released over the next 3 years...good plan, but at this point Lucasfilm doesn't have any firm plans...don't hold your breath!

  • March 18, 2001, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace

    by psmith

    All this talk of Dvd releases in 2006. Dvd will not be the format in 2006, it will all be solid state/remote server technology. If George wants to earn money he better release the film soonish.

  • March 18, 2001, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Pipe down

    by MCVamp

    Lucas looks at everything except the actual making of his Star Wars films as experiments. Radioland Murders...Howard the Duck...Labyrinth...even Willow...all ways for George to test the limits of ILM and Skywalker Sounds technology base. I'd say this is an experiment in a few things: George wants to see how a single SW movie will sell on its own. So he picks the least-beloved one to send out first, to get an idea of how sales will go. If sales are iffy, he may be tempted to say "fuck it" and put out a boxed set or wait until the new trilogy is done to bring ut the originals. He wants to see how fans like the extra features on this DVD (of course we'll get a different special edition in 2 years, it's Star Wars) to see what he can bring to the REAL SW movies. Finally, (and if you ask George, this is the big one,) he wants to see how bad the piracy issues are going to be with this one before he brings out his big guns. Hopefully we'll see the original cuts of the first trilogy on DVD, I think even George has to look at the pasty pudgy Jabba from Ep4 and say "okay, maybe I fucked up a little" (but remember, don't lie to Uncle Vamp, ALLLLL you fanboys just like me wanted to see that scene put back into Star Wars, you just all recanted when the CGI was shitty.) He'll probably have ILM redo the effects AGAIN in 2007 for the 30th anniversary anyway, if he's still alive. Regardless, when it comes to Star Wars, I'm George's bitch. I didn't buy the last trilogy VHS release, but I'll buy this, even if I have to whore off Harry to Haitian gangbangers to do it.

  • March 18, 2001, 10:46 a.m. CST

    6.1

    by TripDaily

    adds another speaker in the rear surround. So instead of left and right rear, you have a rear center channnel too.

  • March 18, 2001, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Buying them yet again

    by Bad Guy

    Man, I do agree with some of you. I too am getting a little tired of buying these films over and over again. I own the Original Trilogy On video in pan & scan and letterbox versions. "The Definitive Collection" and "The Special Edition" trilogy on laserdisc. And finally TPM in the Widescreen Collector's Edition and pan & scan versions. I would love to own DVD's of all of them, but I just know that they'll probably release some sort of "Super-Duper Definitive Collector's Box Set" with all six films after EP 3 is released. I had heard that was the original plan anyway. But I guess people couldn't wait and kept whining that they have to have them now. But if they are going to release them one at a time they'd all better be two-disc sets with the original and SE versions of the original trilogy, so that you can mix & match the footage to make your own definitive versions. (Keep CGI dewbacks, Han shoots at Greedo first, and so on.) Plus all the deleted scenes we've all heard about: Biggs and Luke on Tatooine, the sandstorm in ROTJ, etc. This has the possibility of being something great. I hope they don't fuck it up.

  • March 18, 2001, 10:54 a.m. CST

    the Star Wars Tax

    by gah rides again

    What you see here is the prime example of the Star Wars tax. Every year, nerds everywhere (myself included) are supposed to spend a certain amount of money on all things Star Wars. Because everyone reaches a point where there is nothing left of interest for them to buy, old things have to be rereleased. I will be happy to buy the DVD's when they come out, even if boxed sets will be released a few years later, it will help contribute to the Star Wars Tax and maybe we can help Lucas buy the presidency in 2008!

  • March 18, 2001, 11 a.m. CST

    What, no Director's Commentary?

    by ARCTURUS

    That's one of the best things about the DVD format! Or maybe there will be a commentary track, decades from now.

  • March 18, 2001, 11:44 a.m. CST

    you know, the idiocy of the fanboy bitch squad never ceases to a

    by Tall_Boy

    FANBOYS CIRCA - 1996-Present: "WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY DVD'S?" PRESENT DAY - "WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE RELEASING THE EXTRA-SPECIAL CRISPY EDITIONS TILL 2006!! HE SHOULD HAVE WAITED LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD, THE FUCKER!!" Oy. Its a fucking circle of low IQ's....

  • March 18, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I HEAR ONE OF THE SPECIAL FEATURES IS THE COMPLETE REMOVAL OF JA

    by timmer33

  • March 18, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Nothing new here.

    by orson

    I remember getting my pic taken with a (false) Darth Vader 16 years ago when ESB first came out. I purchased it in Beta and the damn thing cost $98!! The original film was reissued at a special $49 price. This was still the early days of video. By then , we had been treated to a "rental only" release of the first one which surprised the world since SW was never to be seen on video or TV. I refrained from aquiring an LD player, knowing a new format (which didn't require changeovers) was on its way. The only time I ever upgraded my copies are when the letterboxed VHS of the original trilogy came out as I feared "Special Editions" would replace the very films I was nostalgic about. I will only upgrade to DVD if these are available and then might wait until digital broadcast issues are resolved (which means NTSC DVDs would be old B-cast technology on a new format and will still need to be upgraded). I never bothered upgrading my Bond films either until the current DVD editions. In fact I only upgraded the Connery ones to letterbox VHS when I got a great deal but waited until a more "definitive" edition wasavailable before treating me to the whole set. It was a good call as I got all 20 films for less than the cost of 3 Criterion LDs. If one wants to see the prime example of milking their fan base dry, one should look at Star Trek! They had multiple reeditions in all formats. First it was "best episodes" selections, then singles of all....The same is happening now. Why aren't those released in season packs like X-files or the Sopranos? Cuz Trekkies buy anything- or at least Paramount thinks they do. After all, they bought "The Cage" in a "restored" version that went from B&W to color and then rebought it in color! The simple fact of the matter is reeditions are nothing new and a rampant in the publishing world. You get a copy when it suits your fancy or wait until they do it the way you want. Don't just buy it and then bitch: you just encourage them.

  • March 18, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Your source could be wrong

    by wrestling studd

    I beieve if they do release Episode 1 on dvd it will be in late nov. early dec. to coincide with the release of the title and trailer for Episode 2. They would also put it out at that time for the Christmas rush. Iwould like to see Lucasfilm attach the EP 2 trailer to the dvd for EP 1.

  • March 18, 2001, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I'll watch the street date come and go with no DVD

    by Edsel

    Yup, betcha 20 bucks this is another pile of "How Wude!". Here's a sample of Lucas' commentary track; "Oh shit, this scene blows! Oh... really, I'm sooo fucking sorry. What the hell was I thinking here? A fart joke? I'm a dolt. I really owe everybody an apology..." Let's just hope Lucas doesn't let his slightly older kids choose the names of alien races this time, or we'll have to deal with a buch of Aguilarans and Emienemors.

  • March 18, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Band together for original version!

    by Claireon

    This may end up sounding really stupid, but I feel it's so critical that I can't just leave it... I'm afraid Lucas may decide that the Special Edition is now gonna be the only "true" version of the trilogy and release only that on DVD. (Why else did he pull the previous video releasees after SE came out? Well, unless that's what he was doing with all the video releases... I wasn't really keeping track...) Well, I'm sure he's not actually listening to us, but isn't there something we can do to make sure that he *does* hear us, and that he *does* get the message that we want the original version? If he goes and releases the DVDs with the original version anyway... then, well, I eat my words, and enjoy it.

  • March 18, 2001, 12:53 p.m. CST

    A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

    by darthflagg

    I'm not that bothered about the OT, since I got them on laserdisc already (I saw the ANH bootleg DVD today, too). But I'll be very glad to get TPM on DVD (if the rumors are true). I love it despite its flaws, like all truefans.

  • March 18, 2001, 1 p.m. CST

    4Q 2004? Psha.

    by happywaffle

    DVDs might be friggin obsolete by 2004! Mark my words, that original-trilogy timetable is gonna get crunched...unless they plan to put a whole year's worth of special features on each disc. (Which I wouldn't mind!) Regular and special edition on the same disc, anyone? Could we hack it so the kick-ass Death Star battle remains and the ghetto-ass revisionist bit about "Greedo Shot First" goes to the poopoo bin?

  • March 18, 2001, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Load of old TOSH!!!

    by Visa Geeza

    What a bunch of horseshit!!!! Why are we all talking about DVDs that may be released between now and five fucking years time. For fuck sake, who know's what bloody format we'll have then. I love Star Wars, I love all of them. I've bought them on video several times and on laserdisc and was quite happy to do so. But if Lucas is sitting on his throne saying "One a year, until two thousand and fucking six" Bollocks!!! Who gives a shit! While he's not releasing them now we'll be spending our cash on other more deserving titles and letting them get all the credit. I'd rather know nothing about them until a week before they come out. Does anyone remember the negative effect the 18 months worth of hype had prior to Godzilla's release? By the time it appeared everyone was pissed off with it.

  • March 18, 2001, 2:51 p.m. CST

    changing formats

    by FPWorm

    why is everyone whining about how we wont even have dvd in 2004? thats preposterous! how many times have home video formats changed over the last 25 years (ignoring the lazerdisk cause you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to have boughten one of those)(and also ignoring vcd cause that has nothing to do with us)? we had VHS and BETA. so if dvd=VHS and divx=BETA, dvd has already won. given the increased rate of technological advancement, i would have to guess that dvd will be around for at least 10 years. and assuming the next format to come along will be a similar medium (ie CD), it shouldnt be hard to implement backwards compatability with DVD.

  • March 18, 2001, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah....great....fab....bored now!!

    by Gabba-UK

    Dont get me wrong I fucking love Star Wars!! Even the many faults TPM. But I just want Lucasfilm to release the films, no extras other than maybe a couple of trailer and a commentry. Lucasfilm has nearly 25yrs of archives to stick on a DVD. And weve all seem most of it!! I just want the films with the best quality picture possable and a DTS soundtrack. Just the films George please. I dont care how you filmed Phil Tippet with his hand up the rancors arse!! Or how you got ILM together to film it! Most fans know all that stuff anyways! Bring out a seperate DVD with all that stuff on at a later date for people who want it. It saves me buying newer versions of it every 18 months. This is a winning idea George. Fans are happy, you get your money and some of the most fanatic fans stop thinking you're a money grabbing twat!!

  • March 18, 2001, 3:34 p.m. CST

    When are we gonna get the Ewok movies on DVD?

    by vroom socko

    You know you wanna get 'em on disk, you know it!

  • March 18, 2001, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Lucas is an Evil Genius, but I still love the guy.

    by Mr. Anderson

    Even though he is a money-grubbing leach as a businessman, as a film-maker, he is one of the best. He will no doubt release the entire six film series with even more special features on DVD some time around 2006, but by that time the DVD technology will have progressed to such a level that it will be worth the extra money. Imagine being able to create a "Perfect Edition" of Empire with the cool new Wampa stuff from the SE, but without the horrible, blasphemous, completely misses the point of the scene scream that Luke emits falling down the Cloud City wind tunnel. Or Jedi with the new ending and CG Sarlaac, but the old version of the musical number. My guess/hope is that this will be the case. Plus, you can always sell the old DVDs to some store that sells used DVDs, and use that cash to buy the new ones.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Did I hear some chuckleheads rankin' on laserdiscs?!

    by Dave_F

    Listen up, dopes, I don't care if it *is* a dead format, because the fact of the matter is this: for a good TEN YEARS, me and all my laserdisc pals were watching kick-ass digital-perfect films in the only format that promoted widescreen and regularly incorporated director's commentary, cut scenes, and a fistful of extras. The rest of you were watching namby-pamby, pan-and-scan videotapes, wishing, JUST WISHING you knew what you were missing! Ha! Peasants! You couldn't even imagine the thrill of having to flip a laserdisc three or four times during the course of watching a movie...err...waitaminute, forget that part. That part sucked. Anyway, laserdiscs paved the way for the precious DVD format, AND gave us a good ten years of great films while you VCR-types huddled in caves for warmth. And don't you forget it.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry...

    by LongAway

    ...but all you people bitching about the year by year releases are a bunch of moronic, selfish, motherfuckers, who wouldn't understand the concept of sex with a partner if you hadn't seen it in a movie. The _whole_ point of delaying the original trilogy releases is to keep the fact that Vader is actually Anakin as downplayed as possible for all the kids who haven't seen the orginal films yet. If Episode 3 blatantly shows Anakin as Vader, than the revelation in Empire, and confirmation in Jedi, don't mean shit to the story. So, Lucas, knowing that a)every home in the US does not necessarily have a copy of the original trilogy, and b)people with DVD players _hate_ to watch VHS, holds back on the DVDs just long enough to get Ep3 out, and prays that parents are smart enough not show their kids the end of the story before they see the middle. On the other hand, if he happens to _ever_ read any Talkbacks, then he already knows that half of his story's "true fans" are a bunch of bastards who would tell a strange two year old that Santa isnt real, not because they're mean, they're just to selfish to bother not to.

  • March 18, 2001, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Preach it, Cormorant, my sea-dwelling aviatic brutha!

    by user id indeed!

    Why rag on Laserdiscs? While DVDs are smaller, to be sure, often the Laserdisc pictures and sounds are just as good. Plus, Laserdiscs have some pretty friggin' good titles. Take the "Frighteners" Laser for example. Who knows when Universal will get off their dead cabooses and transfer it to DVD, but who cares? I've got the Laserdisc, and I watch it whenever I want, which is quite frequently. It seems kinda silly to buy the exact same thing, only *smaller*. Same thing with the "Close Encounters" and "ET" DVDs coming out. Oh, but I rag not on DVDs! I love those darn things to death. I have a good hundred, at least. Get a DVD-compatable laptop and a $10 CD case from Target and you can watch those cuddly lil' things on a plane, in a train, in a box, with a fox, eating salami, or blowing up a Commie. I'm just saying, both the mediums have their high points. Ah, and DVD ain't going ANYWHERE. It's pretty much as far as you can get, isn't it? What do you people expect by 2004? Holographic 3-D chips that are installed directly into your spine? C'mon, Moses, smell the roses. If anything, DVDs will just get smaller, and you'll still be able to play them on any standard DVD player. That said, I say we boycott every industry of every service until they make a "Blood Music" motion picture. A good one! With high-profile directors, writers, producers, and FX teams. Ooh, and Edward Norton! He can play Virgil. Hecky yeah! This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! It's good stuff! Hoo dogs!

  • March 18, 2001, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Uh, LongAway...

    by Dave_F

    Didn't the "Phantom Menace" poster show Anakin casting Vader's shadow? Isn't that a bit of a spoiler straight from the Lucas camp? By the way, I thought Santa was real up until you spoiled it in your post! You have become the evil you described!

  • March 18, 2001, 5:21 p.m. CST

    There are just some people...

    by Lobanhaki

    Why do people who obviously hate and distrust Harry Knowles persist in frequenting his site? This is what I ask of these Harry-Haters, who seem to wait to throw these god-awful, usually half educated responses at whatever he says, or posts. All I have to say to you is that you have no need of this site. You can go somewhere else to make yourself feel good about yourself without having to exert much more effort. In the meantime, I think Harry and others like them will enjoy DOING what they love instead of TALKING about what they hate. Anyways, you'll eventually find another convenient target to make fun of. And by that point you will probably have considered at least once why you don't enjoy your job, or why you find your life boring and dull. Harry won't have that problem

  • March 18, 2001, 6:05 p.m. CST

    My view on Lucas.

    by Lobanhaki

    No man who spends more than half his life working on one project, taking years to make each of those films, who takes on directing and writing chores despite the fact he can delegate both, is making the movies strictly for the money. He's got some personal interest in this. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered.

  • March 18, 2001, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Dissin' LD's is bad karma man!!!

    by sprocket-bot

    You see, DVD's owe a national debt to LD's! The whole idea of a 'special edition' originated on laserdisc, more specifically Criterion laserdisc's. In the mid eighties (mosta' ya' talkbackers we're probably still suckin' on sugar-tits then) some clever folks figured out some of the advantages of the laserdisc format (at that time, about a five year old format), such as multiple audio tracks, as well utilizing the picture perfect frame freeze and slow forward/backward play for certain scenes in their fave flicks! The debut laserdisc special edition (or more acurately, Criterion Collection) was none other than the 8th wonder of the world...King Kong (1930's version, ya' ding-dongs!), followed by such titles as Citizen Kane, Close Encounters, Blade Runner, Ghostbusters, etc, etc, etc. Most just featured commentary, and a CAV format (allowed for said freeze frame action), some offered art/still galleries, docu's, extensive text files, scripts, so on...the format did lack the interactive menu's and easy, quick access to suppliments (before PR zombies named them 'extras'!), but for avid film buffs, wow, could not be beat. Plus letterboxing was standard on Criterion, and in the early 90's, became more or less standard with all other companies producing LD's. Fox has a history of producing some fine LD special editions of their own, obviously Aliens and Abyss being two, but also films like War of the Roses. Special editions we're fewer and farther between on LD though, they were selling to a hard core niche market...and usually cost around $100 or so. Laserdiscs did grow quite a bit through the mid 90's, ultimately to be haulted by DVD's arrival in 1997, by 1998 LD sales were down by half of the previous year and the last LD (in the US) was released in May of 2000...it was End of Days, how prophetic! I love DVD though, but collected LD for about 5 years...because of that, I am lucky enough to own the overpriced Star Wars special edition LD boxed set released in 1993...though it was VERY disapointing as 'special edition' when released, it does have some nice extra's. And is without a doubt, the best looking and sounding version of the ORIGINAL , untampered with SW trilogy in existance on home video! And I can watch it whenever I please! Will the DVD's look better? Sound better? have better suppliments? WITHOUT A DOUBT!!! BUT, they will ONLY be the '97 SE's with all of Lucas's dated PC trimmings! Maybe Lucas will have a change of heart, maybe he'll decide to go with both versions on the DVD's, who knows. Either way, Laserdisc was around for 20 years, DVD's only been here for, what? 4 ; ) Here's to the future kids!

  • March 18, 2001, 7:34 p.m. CST

    On LaSerdiscs and DVDs...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    First of all, I have to agree with Cormorant (which is not at all an unusual thing for me to do.) Praising the marvels of DVD technology but flipping the bird to Laserdisc is like claiming a movie like "Se7en" is innovative genius while all other film noir until that point was just elementary-level amateurism. You can't really appreciate the quality of one without recognizing the value of the other. Yes, DVD is the video platform of the future, and some features of the format are indeed a breakthrough. (The multiple angles thing, for one example; DVD-ROM interactivity for another.) BUT, as Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." If it weren't for the innovations brought on by Laserdiscs in the 80's and early 90's (specifically from Criterion and filmmakers like Jim Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Terry Gilliam, and Lucas himself,) DVD would have no point of reference to improve upon. It's really rather funny to know that terms like "Director's Commentary Track" and "widescreen edition" are now so prevalent in the mainstream moviegoing society. Hell, up until about 2 years ago, you couldn't PAY most people to watch a 2.35 : 1 transfer of a movie. Now, all of a sudden, everyone's going on about aspect ratios like they're Vittorio freakin' Storarro. These "Nouveau cineasts" seem more like home video Johnny-come-lately's to me. And even including the content of these discs, like the big, groundbreaking DVD releases of T2, Se7en, The Rock, Silence of the Lambs, RoboCop, Jaws, The Abyss, Alien, and Aliens; Practically nothing on any of those special editions were totally new, and/or not included on the LD SEs. So please give us all a break with your foolhardy attempt to condescend to us former devotees of Dino-Disc. As revolutionary as DVD technology is, the LaserDisc-scoffing constituency of its supporters are still ultimately playing catch-up. Don't believe me? OK, fine. Whatever. But which one of us can sit down right now to watch a high-quality, Dolby Digital, widescreen THX transfer of the original Trilogy, as well as the Godfather films, Grease, or the Indiana Jones films? Ladies and gentlemen. . . the defense rests.

  • March 18, 2001, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah! What Sprocket-Bot said!

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    So there.

  • March 18, 2001, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I have never seen so much whinning

    by graana

    You know I usually never read all these comments cause they are usually the same - whinning. I don't know what kind of people you are....welfare parents, 15 year olds at home with mommy & daddy, or college drunks but I got an average paying job. I buy at least 4 DVDs a month. I can't believe you are whinning about having to spend 20-30 dollars on ONE DVD a year!!!! Most of you problably shit that in Big Macs a year anyways. Don't buy a couple of cases of beer that YEAR and turn off you damn computer for a weekend to save on the power bill and use that to buy that one movie all of you are suppose to be fans of. And I don't know what part of Jupiter you people are from but DVD is gonna be alive in kicking in 2004, hell think about it....how many companies still run off of DOS? And how many of you even know what DOS is?? Trust me, you kids will be buying DVDs....and some of you will have grandchildren buying DVDs. One more thing.....some guy wrote.."(waiting for a DVD player that)play movies all the way through without pausing breifly." What kind of ghetto DVD player do you own?? The Fisher-Price DVD for Toddlers? Mine works perfect. I own a player for EVERY format but Beta...and I buy only DVDs now. Why? Cause they are cheap, easy to find, and last forever as long as you take care of them. One last comment - If all you people do is rag on Lucas and on TPM......go away. Negativity does the rest of us no good. If you don't like Star Wars cause the man who created it all made a movie that wasn't tailored to you...go make your own modern American epic and charge us common people to watch it.

  • March 18, 2001, 8:41 p.m. CST

    On FPworm. . .

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to think "boughten" is a word.

  • March 18, 2001, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Graana.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    I don't quite get it. The SW DVDs will be the absolute "titles to have" in everybody's collection. Fucking Chevron stations will be selling them beside the Wrigley's gum racks. They'll have them at Wal-Mart by the front door. They will, in all likelihood, sell for laughably low prices online. ("Pre-order your copy now from DVDsRightFuckingNOW.com for only $2.59! That's 98.57% off the retail price!!") So when it comes down to it, what's the big friggin' problem? Hell, I don't see anybody pissing and moaning about a new version of the Crow DVD, or ALL 3 Die Hard movies, all the Batman discs, Blade Runner, A Few Good Men, The Fugitive, etc., etc., etc. I just sold my original Crow DVD to The Wherehouse this past week, in effect providing me with a $7 pre-rebate for when I buy the new 2-disc set this Tuesday. And even if I didn't... It'll probably sell at Best Buy for about $20 on the street date anyway. Why cry about it? The hell with it. I know wild horses won't be able to drag me away from the stores when each one of the SW DVDs come out, and I refuse to fucking whine about it. So... there. :-) Lightstormer out.

  • March 18, 2001, 10:29 p.m. CST

    gracias Hercules, pero

    by Studio Snitch

    "Phantom Menace" sucked. (OK fanboys, attack). When are we going to get "Paper Moon", "The Goonies", "Sunset Blvd." and all the other really good movies? and where in the hell is the dvd release of "Homicide: Life on the Street"?! Come on Barry...get together with NBC and release it the seris on DVD like "The Sopranos". While we're at it, let's have special editions of "Shawshank", "Trainspotting", and "Driving Miss Daisy" too!

  • March 18, 2001, 10:47 p.m. CST

    FRIGHTENERS LASERDISC...

    by talkinghead

    i got that bad boy and it rules.....laserdiscs...i love'em..dvds are cool....but can you get BLOW-UP on dvd?...nope...damn i miss laserdiscs...

  • March 18, 2001, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Why oh why did I sell my original originals

    by Senor Askew

    Why did I do it. And for only $15 no less at a fleemarket. The biggest mistake of my life. Now all I am left with is the blasphemous "Special Editions". I only pray I will be able to find them again somewhere, someday....

  • March 18, 2001, 11:38 p.m. CST

    To Sevenigma

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    You got me wrong, dude. What I said was, "I don't see anybody pissing and moaning about a new version of the Crow DVD, or ALL 3 Die Hard movies, all the Batman discs, Blade Runner, A Few Good Men, The Fugitive, etc., etc., etc." Reading it back now, I can see how that would be misconstrued. What it actually meant was that all those titles ARE being given the Special Edition treatment in the near future, hence they're all being re-released. And for Blade Runner, this is the umpteenth version I can remember being released on video. (Original, Criterion edition, International version, the Director's cut....) However, nobody complains about having to buy new, re-vamped versions of these films, mainly because they're too busy crying over the possibility that in TEN YEARS from this date, newer, improved or otherwise altered versions of one of the best trilogies of all time will come out, and their already really nifty DVDs may be lacking some extra-nifty niftiness. I say just shut up and buy these first DVDs when they come out, and if / when Lucas does unleash an even more tricked-out set, either buy them or don't, but just don't fucking whine about it. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. Period. You wanna boycott Lucasfilm? Fine. Don't spend any money. But stop with the crybaby shit, please. End of story.

  • March 18, 2001, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, and PS to 7igma...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    The "A Few Good Men" Special Edition hits stores on May 29th (no commentary from Cruise, but one from Rob Reiner,) with a retrospective documentary and deleted scenes. "The Fugitive" SE will be out on June 5th. If there will be a Comm Track, it will most likely be from Andrew Davis. I don't think Ford has "stooped" down to the level of directly addressing the masses about his work just yet. But hey, who knows? Lightstormer out.

  • March 19, 2001, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Dammit, Decadent...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    "Lucas can take his Special Edition DVDs and stick 'em up a Taun-Taun's ass." Jesus, man! You just gave away the surprise ending to Episode II! Way to go. Now the cat's completely out of the bag. Thanks a lot, man. You'll be hearing from the LucasFilm Lawyers. Good day to you, sir.

  • March 19, 2001, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Hey... I think I have a legitmate TPM gripe. Can somebody valid

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    OK. I try not to complain too much about Ep. 1, but something just reminded me a minute ago about the one big problem I've had since day one about Phantom Menace. To wit, DARTH VADER BUILT C-3PO!! I mean, I can deal with the sub-Culkin acting abilities of Jake Lloyd, I can deal with the dreaded Jar Jar Binks, I can even deal (for the most part, and with much biting of the lip,) the whole "third act out of a fucking Disney movie where the gleeful 9-year old saves the day" thing. But what really left me with a sense of cinematic heartburn was the idea that DARTH VADER BUILT C-3PO! Now, a little revisionist history I can accept. . . I did not rant and rave so much at a cartoon Jabba seeming rather mobile for a 3-ton slug in the ANH Special Edition. God help me, I even turned the other cheek at the whole Greedo "magic bullet" thing, despite the overwhelming screams of the rest of the SW fanbase community. But. . . the arguably most obnoxious (pre-Jar Jar,) most benign, and most obvious character meant for comic relief was in fact created by the series' most significant, most iconic, most dreaded villain???? And NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS??? To paraphrase Luke, "Ben, why didn't you tell us??!!" I just don't get it. If Lucas really does have a plan for plausibly explaining how exactly 3PO forgot who made him, never mentioned his name, never noticed Luke shared this name, never recognized Tattooine in ANH, and for that matter, never recognized Obi Wan either. . . then George really is the storytelling genius that so many have argued he is not. *************** Whew. OK. I'm spent. I have to take some Qui-Gon Aspirin chewables and lie down now. Good night, all.

  • March 19, 2001, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Good question, Lightstormer

    by darthflagg

    My answer is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3PO got a memory wipe.

  • March 19, 2001, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Hey Lightstormer,

    by vroom socko

    Of course, the possibility exists that 3PO had his memory erased. Also, to address the other points you raised, Obi-Wan and 3PO never met in Phantom Menace, Ben stayed with the ship, remember? I actually liked the idea that Vader built Ol' Goldenrod, because it explains a few things from Empire; a) why Vader even allows Chewbacca to rebuild C-3PO, and b) why he stops Boba Fett from shooting at everyone's favorite wookie in the carbon freeze chamber, He didn't want his droid fucked up any more than it was.

  • Remember when Darth Maul showed up all dramatically to challange the insurrectionist Naboo folks? And Qui-Gon says something macho like, "We'll handle this," and motions all the Naboo warriors to continue? Wouldn't it have worked out better for ol' Qui-Gon if he and Obi-Wan had just stepped aside and said, "All you Naboo guys with blasters...shoot this fuck!" If I'm not mistaken, Maul hadn't even drawn his saber yet to block potential laser-fire. Besides, even Jedis and Sith can't block fifteen guys shooting at 'em. Yeah, yeah, we wouldn't have had a dramatic swordfight if Maul had been shot to shit by the Naboo firing squad, but can anyone give me a reason that actually makes sense for the characters?

  • March 19, 2001, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Why Darth Maul wasn't just gunned down.

    by vroom socko

    Qui-Gon probably realised that as soon a the Naboo could get off a shot, Maul would have his lightsaber out, and with his Sith based reflexes the guards would fall like chordwood. Since it was his job to protect the queen, and the guards needed to capture the Viceroy if their plan was to work, Qui-Gon stepped up and said, "We'll handle this." Damn, how is it that I'm the big Phantom Menace defender? Next thing you know I'll be rationalizing Jar Jar.

  • My money's on the fifteen guys. Say Maul does get his lightsaber out...he won't be able to use it directly to attack the guards because Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would intercede instantly. So he could only attack them indirectly by deflecting their shots back at them, at best resulting in a stalemate. But how long could he do that with ten or fifteen guys firing at him? One second? Two? I tell ya, Qui-Gon would've served the Queen better by letting the guards gun Maul down, 'cause he'd be able to stay with her afterwards and not get his dumb ass stabbed! Search your feelings, Vroom, you know it to be true. Actually, as far as movie explanations go, yours works. You could counter my argument by saying that Maul would just shut the blast doors when they targeted him, and then they'd have to move on knowing a Sith was stalking them. That's bad. And there are other reasonable hypotheticals - it's all fun geek talk. So I'll buy it, but I woulda preferred to see Maul forcibly split the party up, chopping down a few Naboo "red shirts" in the process. Woulda made Qui-Gon seem less the tactical fool and given us a demonstration of Maul's ferocity, which many agree the film never did.

  • Dig it - my take is that Trinity didn't magically bring Neo back to life with the pixie-magic of love, and I doubt the Wachowskis intended anyone to read it that way. Why would a movie grounded (at least partially) in theoretical science suddenly throw out unexplained miraculous stuff? I sez Neo never died in the first place. Well, fully died anyway, if you'll allow a little pseudoscience flim-flam. Somewhere in the dude's subconscious, he already knew the Matrix was a contruct, knew it enough that the bullets couldn't fully kill him. But the stubborn, rational side of his brain believed it just enough to pretty much flatline him into a comatose state. While the unconscious part of his mind was repairing the damage and passing the word on to the rational side, Trinity was making her lovey-dovey speech and planting the smooch on him in the real world. Now the Wachowskis got a bit of romantic in 'em, so they picked that precise moment to bring Neo back, but...he would've arisen anyway. Or maybe his rational side *did* need to hear Trinity's speech to stop fighting the subconscious insistance that the Matrix wasn't real. Whatever the case, there were no miracles involved, just the Wachowskis having some fun reversing the "Sleeping Beauty" cliche, the same way they had fun with Western showdown cliches and kung-fu movie cliches earlier in the film. "The Matrix" is very cobbled together from other sources (so is "Star Wars"), but it's too much fun for me to gripe at. That's a concept I'm sure many of you staunch "Phantom Menace" supporters are no doubt familiar with. Decadentdave, you're cool 'cause you're part of the laserdisc posse and you made a good Huey Lewis joke, but I gotta support "The Matrix" against all the haters who dismiss the ending so casually. On the other hand, you're also a bastard 'cause I'm gonna have the damnedest time not hearing "Power of Love" next time I watch that scene! Curse your decadence! There is no Huey Lewis, there is no Huey Lewis, there is no Huey Lewis...

  • March 19, 2001, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Cormorant

    by Drath

    Fifteen guys shooting at Darth Maul. Hey, Maul can jump can't he? It would have been cool to see too, but I guess then Maul REALLY would have looked the dope for letting Obi Wan jump right over him and divide him without so much as a snarl. Oh, by the by, this is a small thing but, the plural of Jedi is Jedi. Only the unaware little Anakin called them Jedis, and hence all the stupid people who don't remember Peter Cushing saying "the Jedi are extinct" call them Jedis. Now don't I sound like the dorky Lord of the Rings style nit-picker? I know, you were too polite to say anything but . . .

  • March 19, 2001, 7:15 a.m. CST

    I don't wanna rain on your parade, but....

    by Darth_Cartman

    People are mistaken if they think DVD is going to be the only major digital format of the future and won't be superceded. Well, slightly mistaken anyway! I believe that current DVD drives use red lasers to read the disks, but someone has invented drives that use blue lasers that can read pits which are much smaller i.e. new DVD disks with up to 4 times as much info on them compared to current releases. Now these new disks should be around within the next 10 years - and guess what? They'll be backwards- not forwards-compatible, meaning we'll have to buy new DVD players to watch the new movie disks! (Maybe Lucas could release yet another version of Star Wars to celebrate this!) ;)

  • March 19, 2001, 7:20 a.m. CST

    15 part-time soldiers gonna be a match for Darth Maul???

    by Darth_Cartman

    Then how about 15 Battle Droids and SuperBattle droids? AND Jango Fett??? We'll see Mace Windu kick ALL of their sorry asses in the next film, and maybe it'll stop people asking why the soldiers didn't open fire on Maul ;)

  • March 19, 2001, 7:24 a.m. CST

    All I require is

    by Geekgrrl

    the original movies in a clean copy with 5.1 sound. Anything else is just gravy, so I'll buy the releases as they come out, and if there is something extra groovy in 2006 - (when DVD will not be obsolete, but our players will be, since they have yet to come out with the full hdtv compatable DVD format) - then I'll buy the new set in 2006. I actually work for a living, and I can afford it.

  • March 19, 2001, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I feel a Blade Runner analysis comin up...

    by Geekgrrl

    For the person - who's name I have forgotten in the two seconds it took me to hit the talkback button - who asked what was up with the Blade Runner director's cut with the unicorns.... Well, actually the unicorns were pre-Legend. Ridley Scott directed both movies. Deckard dreamed about unicorns. His partner, Gaff, folds little oragami things througout the movie. The oragami objects seem to coincide with Deckard's moods. We see a chicken when he doesn't want to go replicant hunting, a matchstick man with a big boner when he starts getting the hots for Rachel, and at the end he finds an oragami unicorn. He has achieved his dreams. This can also be interpreted as a reference to earlier in the movie where Deckard told Racheal what her memories where. Here, Gaff, is telling Deckard what his dreams are. This also plays with a few other facts to heavily suggest that Deckard is also a replicant. Frankly the directors cut is *way* better than the original, where we get the stupid Sam Spade voice-overs and the leftover footage from The Shining tossed onto the end.

  • March 19, 2001, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Why strip out the special effects?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Wouldn't that just go to prove what a huge crapfest the movie really was to the few who are easily distracted by bright shinny objects? At least it would get rid of Jar Jar (sort of, there probably will be the stand in guy running around and you're sure to still hear the voice).

  • March 19, 2001, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Darth and 3po, no fx?

    by holidill

    A few things out of my head...Lightstormer you should check out an issue of the Dark Horse Comic called Star Wars Tales,(I can't remember the issue but the cover has Darth Vader holding 3po's head)I this anthology of Star Wars tales there is one where during Empire 3po's destroyed body is brought before Vader. THey ask if they should take the body to the dump, but he says no take it to the wookie. Then before they leave he picks up 3po's head and remembers somethoing of his past in the creation of this droid. It is actually a very cool story. The latest issue has a Pulp-FIction esqe story set on a diner in Coruscant where Mace Windu and Yoda are talking and get attacked by robbers, no shit! Also only Mattun mentioned the no fx cut. Does that mean we are going to see lots of blue screen and green screen? How abou the battle between the robots and the GUngans? I don't know about this cut. I have a bad feeling about it.

  • March 19, 2001, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Aww CRAP!

    by Mr.Chupon

    No complete DVD trilogy till 2004?! I was hoping they'd just slap the existing VHS Special-Hyper-Turbo whatever version on DVD and shove that out the door in a nice box set...this just...aargh...DAMMIT! Note to Lucasfilm; we may love the movies, but some of us just don't feel like waiting another three freakin' years to see Jedi on DVD, no matter how many extra things you put in ("look! we made Lando look like a horse! ha ha ha!")!!

  • March 19, 2001, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the correction, Drath.

    by Dave_F

    I iz a hillbilly, sumtimez.

  • March 19, 2001, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Fuck TPM

    by B A Fett

    I want the original (unadulterated) trilogy and I want it NOW!!

  • March 19, 2001, 10:57 a.m. CST

    One more 15 vs. Maul comment

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    In Jedi, Luke (as a full Jedi) was shot in the hand pretty easily in a similar situation on Jabba's barge when he actually had the enemy in a state of panic. Then again, he might have been distracted by Carrie Fisher's outfit. Incest is best.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:07 a.m. CST

    6.1 = 5.1 + rear-center

    by tdibble1

    for the guy who wanted to know if he needs to upgrade again ... probably not necessary unless you're a real audio freak, but 6.1 does sound better than 5.1 (better rear-channel imaging) ...

  • March 19, 2001, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Luke vs Barge gunmen

    by Darth_Cartman

    Was Luke a Jedi at that point? Even if he was, he didn't have an ounce of the training & skill that Maul had. Mind you, that was a rather fetching bikini....Maybe Qui-Gon Jinn should have worn something similar during his duel!

  • March 19, 2001, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Pulling previous issues ...

    by tdibble1

    Claireon: Yes, it is common practice to pull the "previous" version of any title before releasing a new version. This is done in the name of reducing marketplace confusion (ie, 'Bob' asks for the Star Wars collection for Christmas, and his wife buys the wrong one ...). Apparently Lucas didn't recognize that his fan base was not all that tolerant of changes to their babies, and what he considered "updates" they considered "abominations on the masterpiece".

  • March 19, 2001, 11:23 a.m. CST

    You morons ...

    by tdibble1

    Of *course* there will be a reissue a few years down the road. Personally, I'll pay the $15/movie to have them on DVD three years before the "super-deluxe-orgasmo-edition" is released. And, yes, I *might* buy that edition, if it is clearly superior to the first release. Heck, you're talking about three YEARS of watching these movies for a mere $15!!!! Cheapskate morons!

  • March 19, 2001, 11:27 a.m. CST

    branching original/SE

    by tdibble1

    I don't know about having a branched version of Star Wars et al. First, if I remember correctly, the "new" effects were very pervasive, time-wise (and even if it's just ten pixels in the background that changes, the branch off stores the entire scene); I don't think both movies (Original and SE) would fit on one disk. Perhaps this is why Lucas at one point had said he's waiting for blue-laser DVD technology to advance so he can fit more crap on one DVD.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:29 a.m. CST

    All you 'Smart' Star Wars DVD fans

    by DigoMan12

    I will bet my balls that all you who say you won't purchase the upcoming Star Wars DVD will no doubt be in line buying the disc when it comes out. We all know there is going to be another and another special edition coming out some time in the future, but it doesnt matter! DVD producers are coming out with special editions on almost every film it seems like. So if you still want to be 'cool' and not buy the disc when it comes out, then you be cool. But I know you guys dont practice what you all preach.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:40 a.m. CST

    JESUS! WHAT ARE PEOPLE BITCHIGN ABOUT!?

    by Jaka

    If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't. The same goes for My Dog Spot, ya know?! Just because Lucas has the fanbase and the finances (his own! DAMN IT!) to make different versions and update his stories does not mean we have to be his whores and buy them all. Buy what you want, rent what you want, watch it at a friends house for christ sakes! Just stop with all this Lucas sucks I hate Star Wars crap! Most of you that profess to hate it DON'T. And a vast majority of the PLANET EARTH has a fondness in there heart for all things Star Wars. They may not own ONE SINGLE PIECE of anything with the Star Wars name on it, but would love to have them on DVD. I personally will buy the Eps4-6 as they come out AND buy the be all end all st IF it comes out in 2070(not a typo!). This is fun. It's entertainment, and it's business. I enjoy it all. Just as long as the product is worth the cost. So fill those suckers FULL! Oh yeah, and as far as DVD not being the medium in 2007...riiiight. We haven't even used 1/10th of the potential for DVD. It is not going anywhere.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I totallycan't wait

    by dvdwizard

    This is the best of allthe star wars movies i totally cant wait for it to be on the dvd!!!!!!

  • March 19, 2001, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I love Jar Jar

    by JediCap

    I have to refrain myself from dedicating much, if any of this post, to the retarded whinny bitches who are never satisfied in life, and feel that George Lucas has enough time and care in the world to plot against each and every one of them. However, I must address the whole

  • March 19, 2001, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's silly, but...

    by Toonimator

    ...for those complaining about the DVDs and how there'll be a kick-ass version after Episode III is released, rather than buying one set, then buying the next... how about just renting it? Rather than shell out $15-30 a pop for each, then another $80-$150 (or whatever inflation will do to a 3-dvd set by '05 or '06), a couple bucks will get you each movie for a few days. Unless you plan on having each one running all hours as background noise... Of course, this is from a guy who has the Boxed Set from 95, the THX set from 96, and the SE Widescreen set. The first two sets were consecutive Christmas gifts, however.

  • March 19, 2001, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Luke went toe to toe with Vader

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    That makes him in the same ballpark as Darth Maul in my book (except for the whinning of course). I mean, while still undergoing training in Empire, he could have sliced Vader's arm off at the shoulder if it wasn't for that meddling armor (I guess, I still don't understand that shot). In Jedi, he called himself a Jedi anyway. If you figure Darth Maul was sliced in half by an enraged newbee Jedi, I don't know if you could call him the end all/be all Sith ass kicker. 15 trained soldiers in an enclosed area should theoretically be able to get a hit in on Maul. Once again proving TPM was badly scripted.

  • March 19, 2001, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Blade Runner is more interesting to debate

    by Geekgrrl

    and it was *pre-legend* unicorn pics, for the second time! Blade Runner was released in 1982. Legend in 1985. Not at all stock footage. As in, he made the unicorn sequence to add to the movie, because it was part of his vision, not because it was lying around on the cutting room floor. If you want to see stock footage, look at the theatrical cut, not the director's cut. The theatrical release has stock footage from The Shining used as filler for the voice-over, which Ridley Scott totally hated adding. If you want to add your "ok, but it was still lame" comment, go ahead. It's a matter of personal taste. Personally, I like to draw my own conclusions from the actions instead of having a running dialog to spoon-feed me all the info. I also am just fine without seeing the blook gush out of Tyrel's eyes. The reason we are waiting for the SW dvd release is so we don't have a dvd that is as poor quality as the Blade Runner release. (dirty film, no extra features, bad sound, etc.)I don't think Lucas will let us down.

  • March 19, 2001, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Uhh, sorry DECADENTDAVE

    by JediCap

    I guess my true identity remains, because I have no idea who the hell you are. Furthermore, I am secure enough in my feelings for Jar Jar that I would not feel the need to debate them with others at a convention. Shit, I haven't been to a con in lord knows how long. But, I am flattered, I didn't know anyone cared enough, either good or bad, to want to know who I am...

  • Damn you. Damn your decadence.

  • March 19, 2001, 3:37 p.m. CST

    6.1 sound - the truth, not panic induced nonsense!

    by pepetheprawn

    i'm new to this site and the rumours about 6.1 sound are unfounded. i live in wales in the united kingdom and have now had "dolby digital surround ex" for 3 months. here are the facts.... 1: surround ex is a 6.1 format, not 7.1 (7.1 is just 2 speakers at the back producing the same sound as the single speaker. 7.1 is a thx program thing. 2: because "surround ex" is a dolby digital hybrid, it plays back on 5.1 amps perfectly. (the rear centre channel is matrixed from the rear l+r channels anyway!) it also has nothing to do with the sub channel. (it's still .1) 2 subs are not required. that's up to your personal tastes! 3:a lot of dvd's we already own are "ex" already!here's a few examples:- "the world is not enough", "the perfect storm", "toy story 2", "hollow man", "fight club" and not forgetting the first "ex" dvd....."austin powers 2". i bet they play back fineon your dvd players and amps! 3: the only true (discrete) 7.1 format in the home is dts(es), and that's not even a "cinema" sound system! it was made by dts specifically for the home. (but it still sounds facking great!). (try "gladiator" in "es"!!! wow!!!) so don't worry! it is'nt a conspiracy to palm you off with a "new" sound format. just enjoy your dvd's in 5.1 if you want to. and george, those release dates better be accurate or i'm going to invest in some seriously big beard clippers!!!!

  • March 19, 2001, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Importance of original versions

    by ar42

    While seeing new cuts and versions of films is fun, I strongly believe that the original theatrical release should always be preserved. Even though it's nice to have the cleaned up matte lines etc. in the Star Wars special editions, they are less impressive to me, because now I never know whether something has been digitally tampered with or not. Watching the original versions, however, you can be impressed that they were able to do all that back in 1977. If the original versions are not preserved on the DVD and are allowed to fade away, Star Wars will have lost all it's value as a special effects landmark.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Cormorant, dude...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...I just don't quite get it why so many guys don't appreciate Trinity's kiss/resuscitation scene. The Wachowskis set it all up earlier in the film. It's got resonance; it's appropriate to the story. The Oracle told him that knowing he's "the one" is like knowing he's in love. "Nobody can tell you you're in love; you just feel it. Balls to bone." What she's telling him is that no matter how much he would hear other people say he's the One, (like Morpheus did through the whole flick,) he wouldn't fully believe it until he truly felt it. It has to be completely concrete in his mind, but only from the most intangible of ways. Could he feel his powers by Morpheus' repeated insistence? No. But he could when Trinity's deductive reasoning laid out her feelings for him. And that made it 100% conclusive in his mind, albeit in the instinctual parts of his brain, not the factual. It's a Modus Ponens statement: If Trinity is in love with Neo, then Neo's the One. Trinity IS in love with him; therefore, Neo's the One. It's not just an arbitrary result of the Wachowskis sitting around, scratching their heads and saying, "Warners wants more of the "love" angle. How the fuck do we do THAT?" "Oh, wait, Larry! I got an idea!" No. It's part of the story. It's justified within the story structure. You see what I'm saying, G? (Oh, and PS: Damn good point about Qui-Gonn and the "Just shoot this fucker" bit. How about this, though. . . if a Jedi can see into the future, and Qui-Gonn told Anakin to sit inside the cockpit of the ship and stay there, doesn't that mean he knew Anakin would take off into the battle?) Lightstormer out.

  • March 19, 2001, 11:46 p.m. CST

    A-holes understand your AUDIO Info Correctly

    by DVDauthority

    Yes the 6.1 is correct. It's not going to be 5.1 or 7.1. The 7.1 audio you have mentioned is an upgrade made by THX ultra surround EX. It converts the 6.1 channels of audio into a 7.1 configeration. Actual 7.1 doesn't exist quite yet. As for your system, the 6.1 adds a center rear channel, not an extra sub! Your THX surround EX system can convert it into two surround Back channels. Thus giving you: one center, a right and left front, a right and left side, and back right and left rear channel. And lets not forget your .1 Sub( NOT .2).

  • March 20, 2001, 12:12 a.m. CST

    To Decadent

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Well, my friend, what can I say? To each his own. Personally, I still support the kiss / love thing as a valid part of Trinity's character, and a necessary final step toward Neo's fully realizing his power. Heck, sometimes love DOES come seemingly from out of nowhere. It's strong and it's sudden, and it's cruel sometimes. . . but it might just save your life. That's the powe-- um, oops. Uh... shit, maybe you were right....

  • March 20, 2001, 1:41 a.m. CST

    dvdauthority- are you mad???!!

    by pepetheprawn

    for the last time, surround ex is a 6.1 format!! 7.1 ex is just another rear back speaker taking the same mono sound information from the centre back channel. it is not a discrete channel!!! for god's sake. it's not some magical wizardry that makes "ex". it uses the same principle as dolby pro-logic. the centre rear info is extracted from the rear l+r channel to make it 6.1. the only real 7.1 format is dts"es". it has a full range l+r surround back channels decoder(not matrixed, as with "ex") and i never said you needed 2 subs! i said 2 subs were up to your personal taste!! i have been into "home cinema" since 1990 and have kept up with the technology for all that time. and seeing that i have a huge "fuck off" denon avc-a1se reciever, i should know what i am talking about!!!! remember, thx surround ex is a lucasfilm tweak (2 rear centres producing the same mono sound). only dts"es" is true 7.1!! don't get sucked in by bells and whistles!!

  • March 20, 2001, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Hear, hear, Pepetheprawn!

    by Jonte

    You could also say that 6.1 is misleading in Dolby Digital EX's case. The low freqency channel is not fullrange and therefor called .1 . The same could be said about the rear centerchannel. It's not a discreet channel, and Dolby Digital EX could be labeled as 5.2.

  • March 20, 2001, 6:53 a.m. CST

    jonte- a true "home cinemaphile"

    by pepetheprawn

    cheers for the back up, jonte! your a real "star"! it's nice to hear from someone who knows their sound formats. "may the force be with you"!!

  • March 20, 2001, 12:28 p.m. CST

    For the love of go people its STAR WARS

    by siliconaddiction

    While I don't like getting screwed over and over and over again. Star Wars is one of those times I can stand shelling out a little extra cash to get the goods. Here is a small tip for all of you people wining about Lucas coming out with the individual episodes and then possibly the box set. What is that tip you ask........DON'T FRICK'N BUY IT!!!! I for one signed a petition asking Lucas to throw us a bone until the Star Wars super ultra, mega edition. Heck I passed out leaflets at Blockbuster (Where I use to work) that pointed them to the petition site. I sure as HELL don't want to wait til 2006 to get Star Wars on DVD. Ditto with Indiana Jones series. If you don't want to shell out the cash for 2 more sets of movies then DON'T. Last time I checked most of you are adults and do know how to make a decision. Pick your poison. Start getting the movies now or wait til the Ultimate edition comes out or get both. I for one almost had a neural collapse when I saw the lightsaber battle in Phantom Menace. My friends told me I looked like a grinning idiot who was quietly laughing to himself. I for one will be getting both sets. Not just because I'm a Star Wars fan but because I'm a DVD collector. These Movies are really what I've been waiting for since getting my DVD player. There are 4 sets of movies I've been hankering for 1. James Bond 2. Superman 3. Star Wars 4. Indiana Jones If this means that I need to go out and buy 2 set of DVD's to get the final Star Wars experience then so be it. For everyone else who is bitching, moaning, and complaining I say SHUT UP and sit and wait for the final edition. FYI - There is no way in hell that any other format will replace DVD in 2006. This solid state BS is just that BS. The best you can hope for is a higher density DVD player/recorder Something with a capacity of say 30GB. I can guarantee you that Lucas is praying to God this happens because I'm willing to bet by the time its all said and done he'll have 12 DVD's worth of material for the final edition.

  • March 20, 2001, 12:28 p.m. CST

    For the love of god people its STAR WARS

    by siliconaddiction

    While I don't like getting screwed over and over and over again. Star Wars is one of those times I can stand shelling out a little extra cash to get the goods. Here is a small tip for all of you people wining about Lucas coming out with the individual episodes and then possibly the box set. What is that tip you ask........DON'T FRICK'N BUY IT!!!! I for one signed a petition asking Lucas to throw us a bone until the Star Wars super ultra, mega edition. Heck I passed out leaflets at Blockbuster (Where I use to work) that pointed them to the petition site. I sure as HELL don't want to wait til 2006 to get Star Wars on DVD. Ditto with Indiana Jones series. If you don't want to shell out the cash for 2 more sets of movies then DON'T. Last time I checked most of you are adults and do know how to make a decision. Pick your poison. Start getting the movies now or wait til the Ultimate edition comes out or get both. I for one almost had a neural collapse when I saw the lightsaber battle in Phantom Menace. My friends told me I looked like a grinning idiot who was quietly laughing to himself. I for one will be getting both sets. Not just because I'm a Star Wars fan but because I'm a DVD collector. These Movies are really what I've been waiting for since getting my DVD player. There are 4 sets of movies I've been hankering for 1. James Bond 2. Superman 3. Star Wars 4. Indiana Jones If this means that I need to go out and buy 2 set of DVD's to get the final Star Wars experience then so be it. For everyone else who is bitching, moaning, and complaining I say SHUT UP and sit and wait for the final edition. FYI - There is no way in hell that any other format will replace DVD in 2006. This solid state BS is just that BS. The best you can hope for is a higher density DVD player/recorder Something with a capacity of say 30GB. I can guarantee you that Lucas is praying to God this happens because I'm willing to bet by the time its all said and done he'll have 12 DVD's worth of material for the final edition.

  • March 20, 2001, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Maybe they're just different than us

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Maybe magical mumbo-jumbo and spirituality is SCARY in their culture. So they make up fake scientific terms like "midichlorians" so as not to frighten the kid. Mace-"Young Anakin, our tests show you're very powerful spiritually. In a way, the very power of the universe flows through you. You are truly blessed." Anakin - "AHHHHHHHHH!!!! I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!!! THERE'S VOICES IN MY HEAD!!!! KILL ME KILL ME KILL ME!!!!!" See... I'm like Lucas, I pull stuff out of my ass.

  • March 20, 2001, 11:15 p.m. CST

    pepethprawn needs a rectal cleaning

    by DVDauthority

    I personaly wasn't really speaking or talking to you. We are basically talking about the same info. whether it is a discrete channel or not the only dif, is that your denon sucks compared to my Lexicon. Lexicon actually mixed the audio for SW EP1. Take it from someone that actually spent weeks at SkyWalker Ranch.

  • March 21, 2001, 5:19 a.m. CST

    dvdauthority- and you call me anal?!!!

    by pepetheprawn

    so who the hell were you talking about then, huh? all i saw were emails from people scared about commiting to a new sound format, and i just gave them some facts to allay their fears. nothing nasty, just the facts. where as you come barrelling in slagging off everybody about that they know nothing. who's the anal one!!! and as for your lexicon. who cares. it's an ugly piece of shit! (you should have bought a "tag maclaren" then i'd be impressed!) and as for my denon i wonder who's piece of kit had both ex and es on board first? oops! that'd be mine!! and as for your lexicon being used for the mixing of t.p.m., i'm sure gary rydstrom has got more professional equipment he could use. and spending a couple of weeks at skywalker ranch, you must have dozed through most of yor stay. because you obviously did'nt learn that much about ex!! it's all right having a go and bragging, but it's not like you havet prove what you've got or what you have done. my final say is that i was just trying to inform people about something that can be quite technical. i'm not the one who started shouting about "a-holes getting their facts straight!.........

  • March 21, 2001, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Here's the truth about the DVD from my new book: Lucas: The Ma

    by SilentBob X

    I recently interviewed Lucas when he was doing some bong hits and he said he will release 8-9 versions of each Star Wars movie over the next 25 years so as to maximize his profits. And finally, he said that around 2027 he'll release a very, very special 50th anniversary edition of the Star Wars trilogy with all of the unreleased footage intact including the infamous scene where Princess Leia is stripped by Jabba the Hutt's henchwomen in Return of the Jedi. But, you'll have to buy a special 'decoder' for about $500 and a $50 book that teaches you how to use the decoder so you can access the scene. Other tidbits include: Screen tests for all the second tier characters(Greedo, Wedge Antilles), Harrison Ford mooning the camera, the post production wrap party for the original Star Wars, shots of Lucas choking an Ewok because he missed his line, and finally, a ten minute shot of all the fucking morons who waited outside the theater for over a week just so they could be first to watch 'The Phantom Menace'. Oh, boy. Can't wait. Snoogans.

  • March 24, 2001, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Our mate lucas

    by bing crosby

    Nice to see someone else is upset with Lucas. All the other forums i've seen make excuses for him! "he has his reasons" "its not just about money" "he's too busy" CRAP. Who does he think he is, not even giving a proper date for release. At the end of the day these are films! Nothing more. OK good films, but still films. Lucas himself now believes they are something over and above that. "you have them when I say and I havent decided yet" There is a quote from the man himself on the SW website saying something along the lines of "I think digital sound and good picture are very important" Thatll be why he's sold us crappy VHS AGAIN then! I have seen a pretty good bootleg of TPM, animated menus, scene selection, 5.1 etc, no subtitles. Where theres a will theres a way!! Lucas' arrogance may backfire on him one day. There again he's now in the position where he just doesnt give a crap. Moan over!

  • May 20, 2001, 4:50 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse, do you know what your talking about!!?

    by NIN74

    Well, of couse the dvd are sooooooo much bigger than laserdisc, laserdisc is dead now. BUT, only new release market are dead,the second hand market is superb,many, many movies that are not on any dvd yet, and not for the near future! And of course will not dvd last forever, do you really think that when we get HDTV that we want to see a dvd??! HD-dvd will come, be sure of that!

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