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The Army Reports on BLACKHAWK DOWN

Hey folks, Harry here with the latest from the Man Who Does Not Babble on BLACK HAWK DOWN. Many of you are familiar with the real life story that this movie is based on, so what is said below will not be a spoiler, but for those of you that are not familiar with the tale... perhaps you should leave with the knowledge that the actors have been working their asses off to be as RANGER-like as possible. The article is WAY COOL and incredibly informative, but there are spoilers... so beware, enjoy....

Harry,

Below you will find a copy of an ArmyLINK News Story discussing the training of the actors for the upcoming Black Hawk Down film. The readership may find some useful bits of information within (I certainly did), as well as a few spoilers. I'm not one to babble... so here it is:

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (Army News Service, March 7, 2001) - Actors for the movie "Black Hawk Down" trained at three Army installations in February before traveling to Morocco to film the battle scenes.

Actors Ron Eldard and Jeremy Piven, who portray helicopter pilots in the film, trained on simulations at Fort Campbell, Ky. Twenty-one actors who portray Army Rangers received instruction at Fort Benning, Ga., to add realism to their roles. And a group of actors were trained at Fort Bragg, N.C., on an urban combat course that simulated conditions in Mogadishu, Somalia.

On Oct. 3-4, 1993, while deployed to Somalia, U. S. Army Special Operations Command soldiers fought their bloodiest battle in decades. Two Black Hawk helicopters crashed, and 18 USASOC soldiers were killed before it was all over. The events of those two days -- the actions of Task Force Ranger and the Battle of Mogadishu -- are now being made into a movie.

Actors who trained at Fort Bragg included Bill Fichtner, who will take the part of Master Sgt. Paul Howe; Eric Bana who will play Master Sgt. John "Mace" Macejunas; and Nikolaj Waldau, who will portray Sgt. 1st Class Gary Gordon.

First the actors received detailed instruction on the proper handling and operation of weapons used by the soldiers in Somalia. They were trained by Special Forces Advanced Urban Combat course instructors.

Sgt. 1st Class Chris Young, a marksmanship instructor, focused more on technique than hitting targets. He instructed the actors to shoot with both eyes open.

"It's a combat proven technique," Young said. "The guy that taught me how to shoot was John Macejunas."

After a morning of dry-fire, they moved from the classroom to the range where the actors fired both the rifles and pistols.

Next, Sgt. 1st Class Sander Kinsall led breaching training, or entering locked or obstructed doorways or windows using explosives. Kinsall showed the actors the proper and safe way to construct charges and firing systems that blow doors or destroy door locks while causing minimal damage to room interiors.

On the third day of training, the actors moved on to close quarter's battles -- entering and clearing a building of possible threats. Hour upon hour the actors lined up -- or stacked -- outside a room, entered a door and moved to a specified corner of the room engaging targets within their sector of responsibility. The instructors constantly reinforced learning by shooting questions at the actors.

"Where should the brass fall," asked Kinsall?

"Outside the door," the actors responded.

"What are the principles of CQB?" asked Kinsall.

"Speed, surprise and violence of action," said Bano.

The final day of the actor's training culminated at Fort Bragg's Military Operations in Urban Terrain site, a cinderblock mock village. There, the Special Forces soldiers demonstrated movement through a city that poses threats at every turn.

Fichtner, Bana and Waldau fought their way against an opposing force using simunitions through the mock city to a fictional helicopter crash site.

At Fort Benning, 1st Sgt. James Hardy, Ranger Training Detachment commandant, has a personal interest in the project. His goal was to ensure the 21 actors playing the Rangers had a good understanding of the Ranger mentality and way of life and how events played out in Mogadishu those two days. Hardy was a team leader there and had been on several missions before being called home on an emergency. Although he didn't fight in the Oct. 3-4 battle, his soldiers did, and several died there.

When designing the training, they selected topics, "we felt were the most significant in making an impression on these actors on what a Ranger actually is and what a Ranger does," explained Hardy and Sgt. 1st Class Martin Barreras, RTD assistant commandant.

Ranger instructors taught classes from general military knowledge -- how to wear the uniform and customs and courtesies -- up to advanced marksmanship skills and flowing through and clearing buildings. The actors discussed the Ranger Creed and the Ranger history. They learned hand-to-hand combative techniques, how to tie knots and how to use radios. Actors playing medics worked with Ranger medics in combat scenarios. Task Force Ranger veterans talked about their experiences with the actors. On the fourth day of training, they fired M16-A2 rifles and squad automatic weapons.

While at Benning, the actors wore desert-camouflaged uniforms and nametags with their Ranger characters. They displayed the proper courtesies to each other. They moved like a military unit, with the character's rank establishing who was the squad leader and so on.

Barreras said there were two reasons for the intense Ranger orientation. The first was so the actors would get an understanding of how it feels to be in a Ranger unit and secondly, he hoped it would carry over to the movie.

"I want them to remember the sense of teamwork that is inherent to a Ranger organization and the amount of attention to detail that's required from every individual that is part of that team. I hope that once the filming begins and ... the movies does come out, there's a positive impression or impact on the moviegoers on who a Ranger actually is and what a Ranger does," explained Hardy.

"The more information and techniques we can provide these guys the better they can portray what happened over there. You can see a difference in their conduct each day. It's progressive. They don't know anything about being a soldier. We're giving them everything -- how to be a soldier, a Ranger and a leader -- all in five days."

Ewen McGregor, who plays a Ranger clerk in the movie, said, "Being here and training with the Rangers has been fantastic, invaluable."

McGregor said there is no way the group could have bonded so well and learned to work as a team if they met on the set for the first time.

At Fort Campbell, actors Eldard and Piven trained with the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne). They met with Somalia veterans, "flew" Somalia missions in the unit's flight simulator and participated in the opening hours of the training company's infamous "Black Thursday."

Eldard, who appeared in the 1998 Sci-fi thriller "Deep Impact" and last year's TV remake of "Death of a Salesman," will portray CWO Mike Durant. Durant was a Black Hawk pilot during Task Force Ranger and was captured by Somali clans after his helicopter crashed during the two-day battle.

One of the other 160th Pilots whose helicopter was downed during the fight belonged to CWO Cliff Wolcott. Wolcott and his crew died instantly when their helicopter crashed in Mogadishu towards the beginning of the operation. Jeremy Piven plays Wolcott in the movie. Piven starred in last year's feature film, "The Crew."

The pilot orientation began with briefings on the 160th and an in-depth brief on the Somalia operation by now-retired Warrant Officer Mike Durant. Both actors then took the controls of the MH-60 Black Hawk simulators and were faced with simulations of the same conditions faced by both Durant and Wolcott on that fateful October day, seven years ago.

While the simulators provided a challenge for both actors, Eldard wanted a full taste of what it meant to be a "Night Stalker." So on the final day of the orientation, the star rose at 4 a.m. to participate in "Black Thursday" activities for new personnel. During the four-hour ordeal, Eldard participated in a rucksack march, HUMMV pull, log PT and other events designed to test the commitment of potential Night Stalkers.

The formal orientation ended with both actors sitting behind the controls of a MH-60L Black Hawk that actually was flown during the 1993 battle. Current pilots and crew of the unit explained the various components of the aircraft. Following the tour, friends of Cliff Wolcott sat down with Piven and Eldard to reminisce about the pilot who died in Somalia.

The movie is projected to be released in November 2001.

(Editor's note: Walter Sokalski and other USASOC public affairs members compiled this article.)

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  • March 9, 2001, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Do it right!!!

    by JokerRulez

    It is always interesting to see which slant hollywood will give a story. With so much information to use about this battle, any number of stories could be told. Anti-war, anti-US, anti-military, and of course so many others such as the problems of so-called third-world nations and how the world's last super power fits in to the equation. Seeing that McGregor was given the role of Stebbins it must be deduced that the Rangers are going to be glorified to some extent (his was the most Audi Murphyesque performance in the engagement, although that may have been the result of inexperience). So is Scott going to make a modern warfare version of Saving Private Ryan (sorry for the inevitable comparison)? Glorifying the soldiers while comdeming war? I hope this movie is done right. Nothing better encapsulates what the US military is dealing with now than this story. "Get it right" had been echoed through many movie-making experiences, such as Perfect Storm and U-571 (which pissed me off BTW), but nothing has been more personal to me than this movie. Don't fuck this up!

  • March 9, 2001, 12:43 a.m. CST

    This sound increadibly cool, oh and first

    by Wiggin

    I am gla dto have an army movie that has army support but not everyting goes perfectly. I am sure that they will look good but if that were the only criteria then Crimson Tide would have had Navy support and A few Good men Marines. Hopefully the armed services will see that they can look good by giving support and let the movie tell the real story. It movies almost always end up making the people who realy belive in the ideal of the usa look good

  • March 9, 2001, 5:47 a.m. CST

    It'll be White Squall on land, give it up.

    by mooch

    Seriously, its got every chance of being a very interesting piece of work and I think we are all wishing Riddles well and looking forward to some more decent work from him. I remember an article in a magazine during the filming of Gladiator, saying it was his last chance as a director and if he fucked it up it would all be over for his career. Its a winding road.

  • March 9, 2001, 5:59 a.m. CST

    They all start out this way...

    by I am_NOTREAL

    putting actors through the mock "boot camps" that became so popular in the wake of "Platoon." Then they start taking the stupid Hollywood dumbing-down liberties because, you know, the average moviegoer won't get it otherwise. I hate to say it, but I think I'm going to be under self-imposed exile for this one...maybe video. Because they'll just do something to piss me off, like have Captains and Lieutenant Colonels be on a first-name basis (a la "Courage Under Fire," I movie I wanted so so badly to like because Denzel was so freakin' good in it--how he didn't get a Oscar nom remains one of life's great mysteries), making Ft. Stewart, GA into a basic training post (hint: it's not) that doesn't look anything like the real place (again, "Courage") to having chicks in dress blues drive around in HMMWVs (the execrable "General's Daughter," which was just crap thru and thru). Ridley Scott has made one great movie ("Alien") and two flawed but otherwise very very good ones ("Blade Runner," "Gladiator") but given what he did to/ with "G.I. Jane," I'm sorta dreading this. File it under "wait and see." I'm kinda suprised the Army's giving this level of cooperation to this pic, though.

  • March 9, 2001, 7 a.m. CST

    Oh, Ridley is doing this?? Crap.

    by Wesley Snipes

    With his recent fixation on extremely jittery camerawork, epileptic editing, and dropping out frames, I'm worried this is gonna be the opening battle of Gladiator spread across 2 hours. I agree with the other guy: Long takes but with hand-held might be cool. ie, aping the Saving Private Ryan opening and not the Gladiator one. There's a difference.

  • March 9, 2001, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Zulu revisited

    by Wez

    I'm sure we'll all be thrilled as the brave white men of the 160th gun down thousands of screaming "savages"- armed with machine guns as opposed to spears this time out. Doesn't Ridley have anything better to do than return to the glory days when caucasion action superheroes mowed down various ethnic groups like so many ants?

  • March 9, 2001, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Not debating

    by Wez

    I'm not debating what happened in Somalia, the purposelessness of a mission to a back-ass country like that, or the sacrifice of soldiers who were doing their job. I'm just tired of films where "dirty foreigners" get mowed down- whether they be black, yellow or white Russians. (I.e. with the token "good" member of the ethnic group who usually gets killed). Christ, if we were meant to be the police force of the world, we should be kicking head-hunter ass right now. Or been in Bosnia when the genocide started. Just seems we can't seem to help any country that doesn't have oil, or interests that are vital to us.

  • March 9, 2001, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Somalia mission was a little complicated...

    by txaggiemike

    I recommend "Black Hawk Down" to everyone out there. The book is very detailed in its account of the battle in Mogadishu, and even presents the story from the viewpoint of some Somalis. You'll get a much better understanding of the U.S.'s mission in Somalia and how it changed over time. I had the pleasure of meeting one of the medics in the book who is now an Army doc, and he was so humble about his heroic work in Somalia. Hmm... maybe it's time for me to read this book again...

  • March 9, 2001, 8:56 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by txaggiemike

    Oh, and if you couldn't figure it out, I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie. I pray it gets done right.

  • March 9, 2001, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Wez the retard

    by SnowMonkey

    Your a dumbass wez, why dont you read about incidents before making stupid ass comments about them. So we should mow down colored people? Ok well start a war with a the French, is that white enough for you? Why do you think those people remake movies about people with color or are foriegners. BECAUSE THEY WERE COLORED OR FOREIGN. Intresting concept. 90% All major conflicts in the past 40 years have happened against people of color, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Grenada, Panama, Gulf, and even shit, Operations Just Cause in Somalia. If your looking for your Aryan movies theres a few out there, maybe youve heard of Saving private ryan. Or go rent The Siege if your into Domestic conflicts. Oh and werent a Police force, theres a good reason the conflict in Somalia happened, maybe youve heard of the UN, something having to do with peace keepers being killed and why we got involved. Pick up black hawk down and learn something.

  • March 9, 2001, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Delta

    by Broon

    It appears they will definitely play up the role of the Rangers here. I hope they don't leave out the Deta Force "operators" who also fought during the Battle of the Black Sea, as it has come to be known. I found it interesting that they would chose to say the helicopters crashed, as opposed the the helos were shot down, which is what happened.

  • March 9, 2001, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Bill Fichtner is cool.

    by Pepperseed

    He does good things with good scripts. I'm looking forward to this movie.

  • March 9, 2001, 3:47 p.m. CST

    MASSACRE OF U.S. FIGHTING ELITE; ALL CLINTON'S FAULT

    by Rocketmensch

    Man oh man, with that wussy Clinton raving about the politics of "Three Kings" the mutha's gonna LOVE "Black Hawk"-go out & read the book, read the book, read the book-you'll be pumped with what Scott & Bruckheimer's gonna do..., and now with the Man From Hope So Unpopular in Hollywood no punches will be pulled...U.S. Fighting Men & Women are not his caddies or cannon fodder

  • March 9, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Wez: on "Zulu"

    by Airchinapilot

    Wez, it sounds like you haven't seen "Zulu" in some time because it's a much better movie than you make it out to be. For one thing, there is plenty of respect for the Zulu side, even though the movie was based upon the British and settlers' defense. It wasn't racist at all and in fact explained a lot about what the Zulus were about. However, I am afraid that "Blackhawk Down" will be a jingoistic rah rah film especially as a Bruckheimer production. I highly recommend the book as well.

  • March 9, 2001, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Night Stalkers are evil and cowards..

    by ShadowScout

    didn't they loose the battle?

  • March 9, 2001, 7:25 p.m. CST

    "Battle Of Roark's Drift-1879"

    by Uncapie

    Apples and oranges, Wez. It was a Welsh regiment that defended the grounds. Read the book, if you can find it, "A Washing Of Spears". The Zulus could have wiped out the entire group, but didn't because T'Chewaya(sp) knew that there would be be more battles, more bloodshed spilled on both sides and that it was useless to see many brave men die for nothing. He went to London to meet with Queen Victoria with Chaka and a few other representatives but, the Queen snubbed him, which was unfortunate. After that colonization took place with German, Dutch and English emigrees, the Boers were formed and in 1898 the Boer War started. But, that's another story. With "Blackhawk Down", everyone knows what the outcome is; we got our asses kicked.

  • March 10, 2001, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Can't wait...

    by BrianSLA

    I also recommend Blackhawk Down the book and I can't wait for the movie. I do hope that Ridley stays close to reality / history and that it is a good movie. His track record is hit or miss and considering Hannibal was a miss, I only hope Hawk is great. For the posters who said Hawk will be jingoistic - DUH ! US Army Delta Force and Rangers are pretty patriotic ass kickers. If you can't stand a historical patriotic movie - don't go. As for the posters who said that the battle was a loss. It wasn't. They acheived the objective and fought one of the worst fire fights in recent history. They inflicted heavy casualties and performed bravely. Their sacrifice and courage should make all Americans proud. I hope it shows this most of all and that it informs America what happened in Somalia.

  • March 10, 2001, 6:58 a.m. CST

    sounds interesting......but DON'T make it into a Bruckheimer/Bay

    by mooncake

    this could be a good movie if done properly! i'd like to see a realistic movie about special forces but have yet to see once which is worthwhile. that GI Jane was a totally piece of sh*t! yes i know it's about american special forces but please refrain from the idiotic flag waving patriotism of Bruckheimer & Bay! don't screw this one up. you DON'T need to be LOUD, ARROGENT & ANNOYING when you express patriotism!

  • March 10, 2001, 10:16 a.m. CST

    BrianSLA...

    by Roosterbooster

    I thought the objective was to capture a warlord (General Aideed or something?), not get hammered by people for whom they had previously expressed absolute contempt and have to be rescued by the Pakistani army.

  • March 10, 2001, 10:37 a.m. CST

    BrianSLA...

    by Roosterbooster

    I thought the mission was to capture a militia warlord (General Aideed or something?). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the objective was for your patriotic ass-kickers to fail to capture their target, get hammered by people for whom they had previously expressed absolute contempt and then have to be rescued by the Pakistani army. If so then congratulations, all objectives achieved in full.

  • March 10, 2001, 11:41 a.m. CST

    BrianSLA

    by Roosterbooster

    I thought the mission was to capture a militia warlord (General Aideed or something?). Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the objective was for your patriotic ass-kickers to fail to capture their target, get hammered by people for whom they had previously expressed absolute contempt and then have to be rescued by the Pakistani army. If so then congratulations, all objectives achieved in full.

  • March 10, 2001, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Dammit

    by Roosterbooster

    What's wrong with the order of posting? Now I've posted three times and look like a sucka!

  • March 10, 2001, 12:12 p.m. CST

    by txaggiemike

    Like "The Patriot," "Black Hawk Down" is the story of American soldiers overcoming the confusion of battle and tremendous casualties to accomplish their mission. Expect it to be patriotic. But I agree with mooncake... "you DON'T need to be LOUD, ARROGENT [sic] & ANNOYING when you express patriotism!" There is no need to dress up the already heroic accomplishments of the soldiers during that battle. Their story deserves to be told, and told well and accurately.

  • March 10, 2001, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Simpletons

    by JokerRulez

    I think it is sad that some people will say or do anything to get under other people's skin. To people like Roosterbooster and ShadowScout: the next time you post why don't you read the sidebar titled "Welcome to AICN Talkback!" which kindly asks talkbackers to "please don't be a bastard. Blatant abuse, personal attacks [etc] ... are all fodder for deletion." BrianSLA got it right, nuff said. And to the rest of the talkbackers who are the acting adults of this group, in my opinion no further recognition should be given to such blatant attacks and baiting as that posted by the aforementioned talkbackers. They have proven their own ignorance and immaturity, let's not dignify their statements with our own denigrating remarks. In the end "...being a jerkwad loser will get [them] banned."

  • March 10, 2001, 12:54 p.m. CST

    The Edge

    by JokerRulez

    A documentary? Cool idea. I don't see any way Ridley Scott would do it that way, however. I understand there is an excellent documentary already made. The book gives a listing of it (my copy is on loan) although I don't know much about it. So how should this movie be made. Hard-edged, gritty realism has become very popular in Hollywood thanks in part to reality tv such as COPS. And as one talkbacker indicated Platoon raised the bar on actor training for military movies. I picture him doing something like Apollo 13 for this. An emphasis on those in the trenches but a lot of the command post work etc. With so much going on Scott is going to have to find a slant, a focus for the movie. McGreggor has become such a star his is probably going to be the central role. Does this mean the Delta force members will be shown as a sort of shadow troop, coming, killing and disappearing from the screen? They are the most secret of our military arm. Why not show this on the screen, by keeping them shadowy figures. I love this part of pre-production. It really defines the movie and is the most creative and imaginative part in the process. Anyone else have any ideas?

  • March 10, 2001, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Roosterbooster

    by BrianSLA

    No, you are mistaken. Primary intelligence indicated that several of General Aideed's top lieutenants were having a meeting at that Mogadishu Hotel ( I forgot the name ), the mission was to raid the hotel and capture the LTs. Not Aideed. Delta had primary responsibility to take the Hotel and seize the LTs, immediately extract them via Helos. The Rangers secured the nearby streets. The primary objective was done in minutes and the LTs evacuated in minutes. The entire task force was to be then to be extracted. Upon extraction did it hit the fan. As for being ' rescued ' by foreign forces- yes considering it was several THOUSANDS of enemy forces versus a small task force that only prepared to stick around for 20 minutes or so, Task Force Ranger did very well. The mission was accomplished. Yes casualties were taken, BUT that is reality not the movies. In warfare people die and considering odds of several thousands, they performed beyond expectations. You obviously don't know what happened - please read the book. It wasn't Task Force Ranger's fault they weren't adequately supported as they should have been. That was Clinton / Aspin's fault. They should have had AC-130s, gunship support and decent armor to back them up. As it was they had outdated armor from a third world nation. They did really well. Almost all military experts who know what happened ( read Colonel David Hackworth - altho slightly miscued ) say it is the US Military at its best. Courage ,sacrifice and dedication beyond the call of duty. I gotta feeling you think the Son Tay Raid was a failure, if you know what that was.

  • March 10, 2001, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Rooster Pt 2

    by BrianSLA

    " And Not get hammered by people " Jheez guy, Please stop thinking the movies = reality. In battle / warfare / shootouts, people die. Even Delta Force, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, etc. They die from gunshots, accidents and just bad luck. I knew the CSM of 3rd Ranger Batt who was in Grenada when a following Blackhawk's rotor blades smashed thru the passenger compartment and decapitated / sliced up many of his friends. In Grenada, 4 SEALs drowned during insertion. Insertion - not battle, they drowned. Crap happens. Reality -deal with it. Yes 18 Special Ops guys died in the raid / fire fight. Considering they faced several thousand enemy forces and considering everything involved they did better than anyone could imagine. What they did, especially the story of Delta Sgts Shugart & Gordon - both who earned Medal of Honor - are inspirations. They are the best of America and what they went through shows that. Do you think you could do better?

  • March 10, 2001, 6:52 p.m. CST

    OOPSY

    by SnowMonkey

    I meant Operation Restore hope, Just cause was Panama.

  • March 10, 2001, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Good post BrianSLA

    by SnowMonkey

    Those points were very well made. As for RoosterBooster, did you even read the book? Listen to the news reports?

  • March 10, 2001, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Best Urban Combat on Film....

    by Lt. Torello

    The bank heist shootout in Michael Mann's "Heat." The LOUD CAR-15 reports, the hand-held cameras, the complete lack of music, only one use of slo-mo (when DeNiro sees the LAPD roadblock and raises his weapon). THIS is the gold standard as far as I'm concerned and as much as I love the book "Black Hawk Down" and am looking forward to the film, I just can't see Ridley "GI Jane - White Squall - Hannibal" Scott pulling this off nearly as well as it deserves to be. Michael Mann used an SAS vet by the way, as his tech advisor. Too bad the only film we've got on those guys is 1983's "The Final Option." Someone should really film that book (forgot it's name) about the SAS scud-hunters in the Gulf. Last thing, as I hate long posts -- PBS's "Frontline" did a great report on The Battle of Mogadishu a couple of years ago, featuring interviews with a lot of the guys in the book.

  • March 11, 2001, 4:19 a.m. CST

    BLACKHAWK NOT HUEY

    by flippie1

    I read Black Hawk Down and it was one of the best books I read in years. I hope the movie will be just as good. I also hope they will use real Blackhawk helicopters. It is "BLACK HAWK down" and not "HUEY down"! And talking about the SAS, Lt. Torello, there are two books dealing with the scud-hunters in the Gulf: "Bravo Two Zero" by Andy McNab and "The One That Got Away" by Chris Ryan. Both books heve been filmed (B20 starring Sean Bean who also played in Goldeneye and Ronin).

  • March 11, 2001, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Extraction of Aidid's lieutenants

    by txaggiemike

    Actually, wasn't the plan for Delta to grab the lts. and extract them by the convoy, not helos? If you haven't figured it out yet, you owe it to yourself to read this book. Go buy it now. :) You may even be able to borrow it from the public library. You will be able to get the idea that, in the confusion of battle, even the best plans can go straight out the window. The author, Mark Bowden, does a good job of analyzing why everything went down like it did, without pointing fingers too hastily.

  • March 11, 2001, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Bravo Two Zero - Already Filmed

    by BrianSLA

    They did film Bravo Two Zero by SAS Sgt Andy McNab. McNab is also the technical advisor on HEAT. A second book by ( I think ) Chris Ryan, " The One that Got Away " also got filmed. Ryan is the SAS guy who got away when the rest of B20 got caught. He walked himself out of Iraq. The filmed versions are Brit TV films I think thus they didn't a release here - BUT I did see the last part of " The One that Got Away " on A & E cable channel very late one night last year.

  • March 30, 2001, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Blackhawk Down

    by avallari

    The book rules. The movie is going to rule. Stebbins, Durant, Shugart, and Gordon rule. I can't wait to see Smitty's wound. Hold that artery tight. That part made my skin crawl. I wonder if we're going to see the scenes between Durant and his jailer? They better do the end/homecoming right with Durant's entire unit standing there, each with a small cup of his whisky that he told them not to touch. NSDQ!