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Bizarre BUFFY & ANGEL Rumors!!

Coax seems to be hitting some kind of critical mass this week. Not only are reliable sources offering confirmations on the "Star Trek" story, but now we get this utterly unsubstanciated bit of business on "Buffy" and "Angel." I don't know the source. I've no idea if this is anything but a hoax. I get bogus "spoilers" all the time. Why am I posting this one? Because I swear I can feel the Hand of Whedon in it. (If this all turns out to be bullshit, I promise I will never post another rumor on gut instinct alone. But if it's not...) Please take note, if this stuff is true, THERE ARE MAJOR LONG-TERM SPOILERS AHEAD THAT COUILD RUIN THE REST OF THIS SEASON'S "BUFFY" AND "ANGEL" FOR YOU!!! Here we go...

Harold from Chicago here. Love your column and your support of Buffy. I thought you might find this interesting. A good friend of mine's wife works on the Buffy fan magazine and was at a cast party a couple of weeks ago. Apparently the final arc of the season will have Spike captured and tortured by Glory to find out what he knows about the Key. Spike in true Scooby fashion will refuse to break and Buffy posing as the imitation Buffy will know of it and give Spike an unexpected and steamy reward. My friend would tell me nothing else of Buffy not wanting to ruin some surprises.

Although he did tell me that the talk going around the set of Buffy was that Angel did indeed lose his soul after his night with Darla and was pretending to be the good ole Angel once more. Looking back at last week's episode it would look like the clues for that was indeed present. I hope it turns out to be true because the resolution of that arc was lame in the extreme. Anyway I hope this is information you can use.

Again, don't know this guy. His source could have gotten it wrong. And yet...

I warn you not to defy me!

I am – Hercules!!

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  • March 5, 2001, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Am I the first..?

    by EntropyofChaos

  • March 5, 2001, 7:05 p.m. CST

    No Way

    by bestdere

    Angel did not lose his soul... I watched that episode through and through... Not to mention The Host would have noticed... I mean he is a psychic gay demon... D.

  • March 5, 2001, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Could you do me a favor?

    by El Mikeo


  • March 5, 2001, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Psychic demon karaoke guy

    by EntropyofChaos

    I kinda like that guy, he's pretty funny at times, though he can be annoying as well..

  • March 5, 2001, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Although i MIGHT believe the Buffy rumor, I think the Angel rumo

    by Darkwing Duck

    The terms of Angel's curse are very simple. Just having sex doesn't cause him to lose his soul. He has to have a moment of perfect happiness and peace, for his soul to be lost. And I think he went to Darla more out of despair and a feeling of worthlessness. Definitely not happy.

  • March 5, 2001, 7:48 p.m. CST

    while we're on the subject...

    by kobayashi

    of unsubstantiaed rumours, how 'bout this... Buffy is the 3rd god. Mull that one over a bit... I like that about Spike though, definate coolness potential.

  • March 5, 2001, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by Hbox1

    Where are the Faith rumors? I need some Faith. You need some Faith. EVERYONE can use some Faith. So where is our Faith? I really could use some Faith. Faith please!

  • March 5, 2001, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Then why save the stupid cop?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Would it really be that much fun for Angel to save her and then torcher her some more? She's pretty messed up already. Then again, there is the past edisode where Angel lost his soul because he took some extacy or whatever (a horrible episode in my opinion because it hosed the "moment of true happiness" thing. Or am I remembering it wrong and he was just faking being evil to scare the girl in that episode? Help. Anyway, it would be a great twist, but the gay demon does seemingly screw it up.

  • March 5, 2001, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I smell bullshit.....

    by Jarek

    oh yes I do.....

  • March 5, 2001, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I thought better of coaxial...

    by PhantomKrankor

    Since when does Coaxial run any unsubstantiated rumor out there...? I mean, if that's the case, I'm sure there are plenty of other "spoilers" out there. Like the one that claimed that Angel returned in "The Body" I mean come on!

  • March 5, 2001, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I Agree - This Is Bull....

    by R_Nathan

  • March 5, 2001, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I Agree - This Is Bull.... Sorry, Hit Wrong Key Before

    by R_Nathan

    As I was about to say.... I don't believe either rumor. Buffy has too much class to give anyone a mercy f***. And I'd like to think that Spike has too much class, though of an evil variety, to accept a mercy f***. If Buffy and Spike ever get together, it will because she has a thing for him, not because she's grateful to him. With respect to Angel, I've posted elsewhere that I've been disappointed by this season because the whole Darla arc hasn't made a lot of sense to me. It was established that when Angel got his sould back, he was bombarded with horrible guilt an pain for what he did as a vampire. Darla sired him. Wouldn't he blame her for some of that guilt and pain? And she came back EVIL? He regularly stakes evil vampires. Why would he feel so different about Darla? Because he was horny? Is he nothing but a geeky teenager? In any event, I never believed he would willingly become Angelus again. If he ever does beome Angelus again, it won't be because he's seeking to become evil. If he makes that choice, he won't be worthy of redemption. However, I do agree the conclusion of the arc was inane, but I thought the entire arc was inane. It wasn't logical or motivated.

  • March 5, 2001, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Angel rumor, and a nit picked.

    by tbrosz

    I agree with the rest of the posters. If Angel were evil, why save the cop? And would the Higher Powers have let him in the door? And the Green Demon of the Light Loafers would have spotted him in a moment. One more thing...why the hell is it so hard to get the chip out of Spike's head? He's DEAD for God's sake! During that whole "surgery" scene where he was being operated on, and everyone was worried that a slip of the knife would kill him. Excuse me? Now vampires can be killed by stakes, fire, beheading, and surgical errors? "Ha, Dracula, little do you know that I, Van Helsing, left a sponge inside you during your appendicitis operation!" You should theoretically be able to do a brain operation on a vampire with a dull grapefruit spoon. Or just short out the chip with a high-voltage shock that would kill a normal person. What gives? If vampires are really that vulnerable to brain damage, then bullets to the head should kill them. I've noticed that there is not a lot of consistency in the "lore" on these shows. For another thing, daylight apparently only kills a vampire if he actually goes out and tries to get a tan. I mean, running around under a blanket? Maybe that's why Dracula always wore a cape...

  • March 5, 2001, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Spike doesn't need the chip

    by CrazeDog55

    I was under the impression after the episode where Dru came back, that Spike was able to suck the blood of another human being. Unless I'm deaf, blind, and dumb, he doesn't need the chip. He just wants to be good or at least sleep with Buffy a lot.

  • March 5, 2001, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by Twig

    I agree with everyone else that these rumors are el falso, especially the Angel one. He didn't have the moment of true hapness, so therefore he didn't lose his soul. End of story. The Buffy one is also false I'm sure, but it's kinda interesting to think about. But yeah, Buffy wouldn't do Spike just for helping her out, since he's already done so a few times at least. Of course, having lost her mom she might not be in her right mind, but she'd have to have beef with him over the Buffy-bot. I just can't wait to see the Buffy bot in action(well, the action they can show on network TV that is). And yeah, if you're gonna print rumors, include some Faith for us Faith fanatics.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Buffy and Angel Season Ending Crossover.......Major Spoilers!!!!

    by lil' bastard

    This is how the season for Buffy and Angel will end.....Major Spoilers ahead. Still There. You were warned. There will be a huge rumble between Glory's minions and the Scoobs, with the help of some old favourites Essentially Glory will be after the Key (Dawn). Faith comes back with Angel's 2Live Krew. Oz makes an appearance, as does Jonathon, and just about any still living minor character from the last five years you could care to name, including a suprise appearance from Luke Perry (from the original theatrical release). Hilarity ensues.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:32 p.m. CST

    You have GOT to be kidding!

    by vroom socko

    I might buy the whole Spike being totrured/not talking bit. But the rest... Herc, wheel your scrawny green ass to your keyboard and apologies for posting this NOW, before Sleazy G breaks down your door and force feeds you Hot Pockets.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:32 p.m. CST

    You have GOT to be kidding!

    by vroom socko

    I might buy the whole Spike being totrured/not talking bit. But the rest... Herc, wheel your scrawny green ass to your keyboard and apologies for posting this NOW, before Sleazy G breaks down your door and force feeds you Hot Pockets.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the double post.

    by vroom socko

    Suprise, suprise, suprise. The Talk Backs are out of fucking order again.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I love these BUFFY posts!!

    by Psyclops

    I still predict that they'll use the Buffybot as a decoy to distract Glory somewhere in the season. Or that the 'CyBuff' will serve another purpose besides the obvious 'Buffy vs. Buffy' scenario. I kind of hope that this spoiler turns out to be true. Spike willing to sacrifice himself for Buffy is something I'd love to see, just for the look in her eyes when she finds out!

  • March 6, 2001, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Where the hell is my lesbian sex scene god damn it all to hell!!

    by Troublemaker2000

    I was promised a lesbo-love scene so I better get one! That Alyson Hannigan is a Natural Born Lezzie so I want to see her having some hot girl on girl action or else!

  • March 6, 2001, 5:39 a.m. CST

    The only thing I think might be true..

    by Wicked Willow

    is Spike refusing to tell Glory where and who the Key is. It really depends on what happens with the Buffybot and Buffy herself. The Angel rumor is total crap-Angel still has his soul. Whoever this guy is that gave Herc the rumors may be trying to stir up trouble among the Buffy/Angel fanbase-he could be an evil Fox excutive!

  • March 6, 2001, 6:39 a.m. CST

    You want your spoilers? I've got your spoilers ... (spoilers a

    by TrollPrincess

    So here's what I've been hearing bout the entire rest of both seasons ... Xander and Willow go to LA to inform Angel that Buffy's mom died, but only have the old address to his place and obviously, find it destroyed, so they wander the streets and end up at Caritas, where the Host tells Xander that he has some major destiny to protect mankind. (Now, this, I'm dying to be true ... Xander as savior of mankind makes me giggle.) Meanwhile, Angel has already found out from Harmony about Buffy's mom, and comes home for the funeral. Afterwards, he goes back to LA, where Cordelia has this string of really, really bad visions. At the same time, Buffy is struggling to keep her father from taking Dawn away. Also, you know that guy Joyce was dating before she died? He's the third god. He and Glory are trying to merge their world with ours, which is why they need Dawn. Spike somehow finds out about this and offers to tell them where the Key is IF they short-circuit the chip in his head. And they do. So he leads them off to the Magic Box where, in true Scooby fashion, he refuses to tell them where it is and joins Buffy's gang. In LA, Angel finds Faith on his doorstep -- she's been having bad prophetic dreams about Buffy. So off they all go to Sunnydale, where the Scoobs are preparing to fight the Gods. (This is where the rumors starts to fall into place with what Herc heard, I believe, about the last few episodes of "Angel" not happening in LA.) Well, the Scoobs win, natch, although (and here's the Faith spoiler) Faith dies to save Buffy. Afterwards, Buffy goes to hug Spike and, well, I think someone mentioned this rumor already. I swear, I wouldn't have posted this big long message if this wasn't what every clue and fact we know for true I've heard seems to point to.

  • March 6, 2001, 7:06 a.m. CST

    drinking an import and watching the Buffy recap

    by fuzzywookie

    I have learned to expect the unimaginable with the Whedon crew, but I too find these a bit far fetched. Buffy bumping uglies with Spike? Angel pulling the proverbial garlic-based wool over Cordy, Wes and Gunn? Don't think so. Although I love the idea of everyone returning at the end of the season in a steel cage battle royal with the gods. It would be like the comic books where like everyone in the universe went up against un unstoppable force (Galactus, Beyonder etc.) I also like the idea of Faith coming back and saving Buffy while sacrificing her pouty, hot self. I must admit, though, that I am beginning to weary of Anya's character, and it may be time for Xander to find a new witchy woman. Maybe he could join Willow and Tara in true Jack Tripper fashion. That is all from the mighty wookie.

  • March 6, 2001, 7:07 a.m. CST

    faker than Pam Andersons boobs

    by sundown

    c'mon guys...never print anything like this on instinct! Jesus when this is proved wrong just keep your promise. 1) Buffy WILL NEVER touch Spike that way. He had me going in the beginning but the end is such obvious crap. 2) Why would the PTB let evil Angel in the cops apartment??? He was obviously good...evil Angel doesn't act that well and after last season where he took that drug we know evil Angel goes nutso when free...he doesn't plan. This is a BAAAD story. WHat fan club is there in Chicago that has cast parties anyway?

  • March 6, 2001, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Spike's chip

    by BiPolarBear

    In the Dru episode, Spike was able to drink that girl's blood because she was already dead. If you watch it again, you'll see that Dru snaps her neck before handing her to Spike. Since she's already dead, no harm done, and the chip never goes off.

  • March 6, 2001, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Definitely bull....

    by fivebyfive

    If Angel really were evil, then why would he not tell Darla about it??? Why would he let Lindsay beat the crap out of him and let him go off free??? Why would he go and save Kate, then have the touchy-feely moment with her in the end??? I wonder if he even saw the episode. Definitely the biggest bull. The whole point was that Darla really never made him happy, so she wouldn't be the one to give him a true-moment of it. Buffy was and is the only one!!! I don't know about the Spike thing with Buffy either, probably doubting it cuz it came in the same story as the Angel crap. But I did hear those rumors about Spike vamping Buffy as the cliffhanger. It was apparently the "rough draft" of the Buffy season finale. While it would be really interesting and set up an amazing next year with an actual VAMPIRE slayer and it's Buffy, I don't see it happening. I heard those rumors about Faith dying to save Buffy way back earlier in the season. Cuz I heard it way back then I think it's false. Plus I don't think they'd kill her off, Joss himself said he likes her and wanted to keep her around. Plus, is Eliza Dushku even available to come back and play her, she does have a slew of films she's doing. I absolutely love the end of the season crossover and I hope all three of the non-LA Angel's take place in Sunnydale, which is what seems to be happening.

  • March 6, 2001, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Angel's from Galway!?

    by ad1771

    you know why Angelus is such a bad bastart? It because he's from Galway. I'm from Dublin and I know what they're like over there. Dumb angry bastards! Always knocking the living shit out of each other over a bag of chips (french frys). I was taking a piss in a pub over there once when two blokes started kicking lumps out of eachother because one said you could get good burger in Mullingar! Fucking toss pots! WARNING: If Angle ever regains that irish accent you had better run like buggery! Even if it is just totally fucking awful. Top o the morin to ya! Oh yeah I reckon the rumour is piss.

  • I'll believe it WHEN I see it. The whole Angel is really evil thing is just that....a thing. A big fat "doubt it". Why do y'all insist on trying to find out the scoops of the upcoming story arc? Whats wrong with you people? For god's sake, can't you just sit back and enjoy a good story AND all of the surprises? I'm liking this season of BOTH shows due to the surprises. I watch these shows with such glee cuz I know they are both in Mr. Whedon's capable hands. Thats ALL I need to know................

  • March 6, 2001, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Somebody's slipping

    by Grimjack99

    Herc, buddy, I think your meds need readjusting. The Buffy rumor sounds neat, and lords know that I want Buffy and Spike to hook up, but I just don't see it happening. As for Angel, well, him losing his soul at this point would be contrived for Joss, since they'd have to go through all that crap to put it back, only to have him lose it again in a moment of supreme horniness. No, I truly believe that he didn't experience that moment of true happiness, largely because he's NOT IN LOVE WITH DARLA! At least, not with the vampire version of such. As a human, I think he was actually beginning to feel true love, only to have that chance for it lost when Dru vamped her. What gets me is why they haven't had the brilliant thought of re-souling those vamps that have enough personality to keep around and give screen credit to. Just seems like a good idea to me. More angst is a good thing. Are you reading this, Joss and David? Marty? Sarah (Kuhn, of IGN, who's a hottie in her own right)?

  • March 6, 2001, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Faith, Noooo!

    by Mstr Blonde

    I hope the rumors of Faith dying for Buffy are untrue. It's not because I like her character that much or because she is sooooo FUCKING HOTTT, but because her dying would only open the same door that Buffy dying and Kendra dying opened, another slayer would be called. And I don't think I'm alone when I say that the story of another slayer has been used enough. Just let Faith get hurt badly and go away. P.S. Something I've always wondered about concerning Faith. What the HELL does "five-by-five" mean, anyway. I know it's her saying everything is okay, but where does it come from? Does it mean all is square? I once heard it was a military term. Anyone?

  • March 6, 2001, noon CST

    Along with everyone else...

    by Diz

    ...I think these are crap. Too many holes in both rumors. Also, TrollPrincess, I heard the same rumor you did, except I heard it before THE BODY aired, and it said Spike would be in THE BODY, asking Warren to give the Buffybot the ability to do brain surgery. As that didn't happen, I doubt the rest of the rumor. But it would be cool if Spike tried to vamp Buffy- since she's a slayer, who knows what would happen? Might be very interesting. Finally, all of these rumors need to be taken with a large boulder of salt. Joss & Co. plant a lot of misinformation, not to mention someone could ruin their career if they leaked major plot spoilers.

  • March 6, 2001, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Okay, while we're handing out sexbots....

    by Sylvia Simon

    I'd like to place my order for an Angel sexbot, please. One that you can get horizontal with without that nasty no-soul possibility. Thank you. As for the rumors, the Spike getting an ultimate thank-you from Buffy sounds good, but Angel faking it? No way - I agree with the previous post that said the Ambiguously Gay Host would definitely have sensed something different in Angel AND would have called him on it. I'd love to see Willow & Xander head to LA to see Angel - in fact I'd love to see a big all-star showdown with everyone (including Faith and Oz, please!) kicking major god ass. Can we have Oz transform & tear Glory apart? I know she's a god and everything, but - please?

  • March 6, 2001, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Regarding the Buffy rumor

    by Dale Cooper

    I think you all have overlooked an obvious point, which leads me to believe the Buffy rumor to be true. It came out two weeks ago that Jenny Callender (Giles' old girlfriend) was supposedly returning to the show next season. Since Angel killed her I don't know how, but we'll leave that up to Joss. Anyway, if you all remember, Jenny figured out the way to restore Angel's soul in the second season. If Buffy is vamped, think about how kick ass the whole season could be. Buffy is the BIG BAD and the Scoobs have to spend the season either trying to find Jenny or the gypsy tribe she belonged to in order to find a similar spell to restore Buffy. If Buffy is vamped, she also can't become human again, which would mean everlasting happiness with Angel should both shows decide to end in a season or two. I think there is enough there to give credence to the Buffy rumor. However, the Angel one sounds like a crock of shit. But if he is truly evil again, we've seen him planning some pretty nasty shit with a soul (i.e. the whole Parker episode where he set up Lindsey and Lilah at the shelter). Without one, he could really be acting nice as part of a larger plan. Remember, Wolfram and Hart pissed him off. He might still want to take revenge even without a soul. Evil people don't all just get along. A lot to think about, I think...

  • March 6, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Those crazy ol sploilers

    by Phazer

    The Angel theory doesn't really work, but these are unrelated spoilers, and the Buffy one can't be judged on the lack of strength of the Angel rumour. I think the Buffy rumour just got worded badly....Buffy's already proved that she does go for rebound sex a bit, she's not gonna be at her best....But she wouldn't just be sleeping with Spike as a thankyou....You can't fail to notice the chemistry they have. Once she gets over the whole freaking out thing, and sees what good Spike does even without his chip, she might notice that she is attracted to him. And then half way through the wild thing Spike vamps her! I have no idea about that being true, but it would be cool. It's also a bit unfair to criticise spoilers because the source says that something will happen and gets the episode wrong. It's fairly common for scenes to get moved around episodes, even at quite short notice, to sort out timing and editing problems.

  • March 6, 2001, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Angel does not ring of truth

    by Father McGruder

    The episode didn't really play out as if Angel was playing the good guy. He didn't have to go save Kate, or have a long talk with her after saving the crew, plus there is the whole issue of his entering Kate's apt. without her inviting him. Finally, if Angel was Angelus again wouldn't the green demon bar owner have picked up on that vibe? As far Buffy, well I don't see her turning vamp. But the Scoobs would not have to search out the gypsies for the curse of giving her a soul since Willow has the spell since she was the one who gave Angel his soul back a few seasons ago. The spoilers sound, well, fake. A little too bizarre even for the Buffy-verse.

  • March 6, 2001, 1:06 p.m. CST

    A few points.

    by superninja

    Have we seen Angel go grrr since bedding Darla? I can't remember, although I do know she made a comment about him being something different entirely. What if he still has a soul, but he's no longer a vampire. Just a thought...Also, keep in mind that the Host has been DECEPTIVE in the past. He does what is best for the future, NOT ANGEL. He proved to be duplicitous in sending Angel to the fake swami. As to Buffy, the writers would have to be morons to make her get together with Spike so soon. That is the kind of thing you draw out for ratings. You don't just have them give in to each other and wipe out the sexual tension like that. Also, Spike appears to be kind of an emotional rollercoaster right now, but I think it would be out of left field to have him vamp her just out of pure selfishness. But I could see him doing it to...SAVE HER LIFE. Undead, but alive nonethless.

  • March 6, 2001, 1:30 p.m. CST

    five by five

    by creamy goodness

    Not sure of exact origins, but I thought it was surfer/leatherneck slang for a high five, verbally. Five fingers hitting five fingers. I used to live in CA as a kid and swear I remember hearing it, though I can't remember where (I lived right near both a beach and a marine base).*** [Begin geek trivia] Also, the pilot in Aliens uses the phrase "In the pipe, five by five," meaning that she has a clear landing vector. And since it's in Aliens, that also means it's used in Starcraft, the RTS computer game by Blizzard [end geek trivia].*** On the actualy subject of Buffy/Angel. The Angel rumor obviously sucks. If it's true, my last remaining, dying shred of interest in that show will have finally been put out of its misery. Great potential, great actors, but some bad plot/story choices that have nearly ruined it beyond redemption.*** The Buffy rumor is more believable, but still probably wrong. Faith has too mmuch potential to be wasted without exploring her character more. However, I've actually speculated with my friends that the season finale will actually be a kind of mexican standoff. All the different forces will be arrayed against each other. And the good guys will be united, but there will be tensions there (with obvious laugh-inducing awkwardities[new word]) because of all their past complexities together: Buffy & Scoobies, Angel & Shaggies, Spike & Buffybot, Faith, Oz, Riley, maybe even Amy(?), (& Ben???), Watchers Council, etc. Versus Glory (& Ben??). Versus an army of knights who say "key." I don't know about Spike vamping Buffy as a season cliffhanger. Demands immediate resolution. Ep 6.1 would basically have to pick up right there. And where would you go with it, eh? Give Buffy her soul back? Kind of "been-there-done-that," right? -cg

  • March 6, 2001, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Faith dead?

    by Drath

    Mstr Blonde, where did you hear Faith was dying? I didn't see that in the story? More importantly, I don't think Faith is going to get iced just yet since she's apparently a solid sweeps gimmick like Drusilla and the aborted Britney Spears guest shot from "I was made to Love you." But even if Faith's days are numbered, I totally disagree with you that another Slayer story would be bad. On the contrary, I'd really like to see a new slayer character explored, it's not like there aren't a hundred possiblities there. I would have really like to see more of those past slayers too, like the one in China. Maybe with the popularity of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon something will come of that.*****Okay, as others are saying, the Buffy rumor wouldn't be totally bad since it puts the whole Buffy Femmebot double story line to better use than the obvious must-fight-and-destroy-my-robotic-double. But I don't think Buffy would give Spike any sex. I could see her letting him back into her life, after litterally shutting him out two episodes ago. But mercy sex? That's overkill. *******As for the Angel rumor, HAH! I guess this guy just wanted to test us to see what we'd think. I mean, he programmed a disclaimer in there by saying it was just speculation on the Buffy set.

  • March 6, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    5 by 5 == Loud and Clear

    by AVATAR-X

    From what I know it is a measure of radio communication's signal strength and clarity on a scale from 1-5 (for both). So, when you say "I'm reading you 5 by 5" you're meaning "I'm reading you loud and clear."

  • March 6, 2001, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Hercules, why must you turn this website into a HOUSE OF LIES!?!

    by Village Idiot

    Fun speculations, but methinks these "spoilers" are no more valid than any of the cockamamie ideas that you're liable to read on the Talkback boards. Angel faking? Honestly.

  • March 6, 2001, 3:34 p.m. CST

    What about The Host?

    by cuttr

    Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I don't see how Angel could put one over on The Host. Everyone else, maybe, but not him.

  • March 6, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Let's Start a Rumor

    by TrollPrincess

    You know what? I just realized that I didn't get to say that I, too, don't hold much with those particular rumors. They sound so incredibly made up. Hell, does this mean anyone can make up a rumor and just have it be up on the site? Let's play a new game, gang ... "Let's Start a Rumor." Best one wins ... I don't know. Something. Mine is, when Spike went to visit Warren at the end of IWMTLY, he wasn't asking for a Buffy bot, he was asking for a Dawn bot, so they can fake her death in front of Glory. (This rumor blatantly stolen from a pretty interesting fanfic.) Okay, next!

  • March 6, 2001, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I just heard this one...

    by superninja

    Cordelia has visions that are so bad she goes into a coma. Her last vision showed her a life-threatening demon and a powerless Gunn, and she accidentally stumbles upon the ability to possess Angel's body! Cross-dressing hilarity insues.

  • March 6, 2001, 4:44 p.m. CST

    start a rumor:

    by monkeybutler

    Angel impregnated Darla the other night. Due to their rapid regenerative capavilities, lil' Angel will become a full-grown regular by season 4.

  • March 6, 2001, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Re: Peanut Brittle

    by pedant

    "I warn you to defy me not." There. Now everyone's happy.

  • March 6, 2001, 5:22 p.m. CST

    rumors & comments

    by bskutle

    Some great posts here! I've heard some of the same rumors re: "Buffy," only I heard it was Ben who dies saving Buffy, not Faith (plus, I have to think Joss is probably as sick of the newly-activated Slayer bit as we are; it went stale when Faith came along and shined). Otherwise, everything else I've heard is more or less accurate. However, I agree that the "Angel" rumors sound like complete BS; the evidence in that ep is just too great to the contrary (plus, the loss of soul thing would be a sign of Team Whedon plundering past successes for "new" ideas, and they're too creative for that). Also, I haven't read anyone discussing this before, but anyone remember in "Angel's" season finale last year- "To Shansu in LA"- when Wesley was describing what Angel had to go through before becoming human? The first thing he mentioned was "THE COMING DARKNESS." Well, something tells me we probably just saw him going through that the past several episodes. I doubt he'll become human in the finale, though I wouldn't completely abandon the possibility either (it seems like that would be the way to end the series in general), but I get the feeling he's survived the first step in fulfilling his "destiny" as described in the prophecy.

  • March 6, 2001, 6:20 p.m. CST

    More Made-up Rumors...

    by Mstr Blonde

    In the season finale, Angel is evil and the only one who can fight him is Gunn. In the mayley, they both strike fatal blows, Hamlet-style, and are gone forever. Cordelia and Wesley are left jobless so Wesley decides to return to Sunneydale to be with his long-lost secret love, GILES. The watchers council wasn't just for fighting evil, they were a sex cult. Cordelia goes to the only person in the city she knows for consoladation, KATE. Then Wesley's hot red-headed ex-girl returns looking for him, but he's gone. So CORDELIA, KATE, and the RED-HEAD consoladate each other and HOT LESBIAN ACTION ensues. Now that's a season finale!!!

  • March 6, 2001, 7:10 p.m. CST

    rumor fun!

    by Twig

    Picking up where monkeybutler left off, lil' Angel will in fact be played by....JAKE LLOYD! Buffy and Dawn will then take a vacation to LA to visit Angel. Lil' Angel(real name Angel Jr.) refers to Buffy as "Aunt B" and develops a crush on Dawn. The two end up like Pebbles and BamBam from Flintstones. Whedon brings both shows to an end, then does a spin-off cartoon series with grown up Dawn and Angel Jr. called "Hellmouth Kids."

  • March 6, 2001, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Another weird rumor....

    by fivebyfive

    First off, "five-by-five" means to Faith that everything is all good. As for all these strange & overwhelmingly fake rumors I heard another new one. I read that the guy joyce had been dating at the time of her untimely passing was this mysterious third hell-god. It's not all that bad if it were true, it would make sense that he was dating her to get information from her and I think if it went that way many would believe he killed JOyce. THough he would want her alive for information. But if he was the third-hell god, they would of showed him. Besides, I've heard Xander, Tara, Angel, and even Buffy were the third hell-god.

  • March 6, 2001, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Next new ep

    by Kyze

    Hey people, New poster here. I'm just wondering if anyone knows when the next new episodes of Buffy and Angel are gonna be airing. If its not for a while... well... I don't know what I'll do.

  • March 6, 2001, 8:21 p.m. CST

    More Silly Made-Up Rumors

    by R_Nathan

    1. The Host from Angel turns out to be the third god of the Glory/Ben/Host trinity. 2. Faith dies and Dawn becomes a slayer. 3. Joss has been dropping hints that he's like one of the scoobies to turn evil, but he decides its too out of character for any of them - so instead he makes Wesley evil on "Angel."

  • March 6, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Lil' Angel + more cool rumors

    by monkeybutler

    I see Lil' Angel being played by Luke Perry (he can still look 18, right?). 1 Wheddon decides to make a cameo and turns up as the 3rd Dude. 2 The real reason why Spike is evil is because he's pissed that he can't see himself in the mirror (he doesn't even know he's blonde!!!). 3 Turns up that Buffy's friends and family are all in her pretty head. In reality, she's more crazy and more of a loner than Ms. Faith. 4 The real reason for Oz's departure was that he had ED but was alergic to Viagra. Willow needs her monkey sex. 5 Wesley's an alien (and not the ilegal kind).

  • March 6, 2001, 10:24 p.m. CST

    but as for the REST of THIS season...

    by Twig

    Spike will try to use the Buffy bot for his own nefarious purposes, but will soon grow tired of her always having "a headache". So, he ditches her and heads off for an LA vacation(CROSSOVER EVENT!).The Buffy bot responds much in the way April did, by going all around town looking for her beloved Spike. Buffy Bot eventually runs into Glory and proves to actually be able to kick the shit out of her. Of course, the first meeting just ends with Glory being thrown into a glass window. Back in LA, Angel really IS evil. Seems his plan is to kill with kindness. I mean, has anyone ever tried to kill with kindness. No one, not Kate, not the team gets the deeper meaning. Angel is SO mean by the last couple episodes. He helps old women cross the street, chases down a purse snatcher and does readings for children at a local library. The big season-ending cliffhanger has us wondering... did Angel save the cat from the burning house fire??? Back to Buffy, the season ends with a naked cage match between Glory and both the real and fake Buffy. THEIR cliffhanger is when the roof of ther cage collapses and crushes all 3 of them. Behind the scenes, the WB, desperate for programming, orders a slew of Buffy/Angel spinoffs. Faith naturally gets one(imagine Sex & The City with vamps), as does Riley and also Jonathan. His show is actually an anthology sitcom where each week he tries to get laid by a different out of reach woamn.

  • March 6, 2001, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Oh man, I've just GOT to get in on this (mock spoiler warning)!:

    by Village Idiot

    I have a friend that's very close to Team Whedon (i.e., she stalks them). Here's the scoop for when the show comes back in April: Like after she killed Angel, Buffy moves away, this time to Minneapolis, and gets a job working in a TV newsroom with an irracible editor, a sardonic writer, and a pompous newsanchor. All vampires. Meanwhile, Angel will discover he now has the power to change into animals at will. He's not man, not animal, but something new: MANIMAL! (Copyright lltigation with Glen Larson pending).

  • March 7, 2001, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Who is Jonathan?

    by Psyclops

    I've always been a fan of this show. Used to watch every single episode during the first two seasons. But then I had to go and get a full time job! Because of my stupid work schedule I missed most of seasons 3 and 4. I never saw how they introduced Anya. Or Faith. Or Wesley. Or this 'Jonathan' character everyone seems to know about. It sucks not knowing intricate little details that pertain to the episodes I missed. I used to watch the show religiously up until the end of season two... when Buffy sends Angel into that Hell vortex. I caught the first few episodes of season three and some mixed ones in between. Same goes for season four... only a handful including the pilot and the last half of 'Hush'. But I've been keeping track this season! I won't let this happen to me again (I lost 'X-Files' right after the movie came out). The only episode I've missed this season is the one where Riley bails out of Sunnydale. I'm still beating myself up for that one.

  • March 7, 2001, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Jonathan, the origin of 5 by 5 and others. . .

    by RenoNevada2000

    First off: Dale Cooper- Jenny's dead, killed by evil Angel. It's kind of hard to get better after having your neck snapped. Creamy Goodness and others- "Five by five" is hipster slang from the 30s. I believe Cab Calloway included it in his dictionary of swinger slang that he wrote back then. And Psychlops- Jonathan is a weeny loser type who used a wish spell to become a James Bond like cool adventurer type where Buffy and the rest of the Scoobies were his sidekick. A fun episode where they even re-edited the show's opening titles to accomodate the temporary alterations to the Buffyverse.

  • March 7, 2001, 8:49 a.m. CST

    re: Manimal

    by Gislef_crow

    Vilalge Idiot: Actually that would be...ummm, MANGEMAL. Or something like that. I'm sure they could get Simon MacCorkindale if they can pull him out of Spain where he's co-exec producing QUEEN OF SWORDS. Although if his recent guest appearance on the show was any indication, look for a really hammy over-the-top performance.

  • March 7, 2001, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Hey Psyclops...

    by Magnum PI

    Go to It is the official site and there is a very complete episode guide(season 1-4) that will answer all of your questions. Hope this helps.

  • March 7, 2001, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Mullingar Burger

    by BoBaBrain

    You can get a fantastic burger in Mullingar. It's southern fried chicken breast with bacon and cheese. Mmmmmmm bacon. Mmmmmmm breast.

  • March 7, 2001, 9:51 a.m. CST

    RenoNevada, I know...

    by Dale Cooper

    My post clearly stated that I knew Jenny was dead and killed by Angel. However, that doesn't change the fact that she is supposed to be returning next season. Maybe in flashbacks or something. Anyway, I still think it would be cool if Buffy got vamped. The only thing Willow knows how to do is restore a soul, which is what she did to Angel. If Buffy is vamped, the Scoobs would have to find a way of putting a soul back into Buffy the way the gypsies first dd to Angel. For some reason I think this spell is different from the one Willow used. Maybe not...

  • March 7, 2001, 10:53 a.m. CST

    When's Amy the witch coming back?

    by Amy's Flat Rat

    Is Amy going to be deratted this season, I always thought Amy should have hooked up with Willow instead of Tara(such a boring character). I had a burger in Supermacs in Mullingar once, I was vomiting for days after.

  • March 7, 2001, 12:50 p.m. CST

    5 by 5

    by 2GOLD

    Watch Aliens, it seems to be military term.

  • March 7, 2001, 12:58 p.m. CST

    let me get this straight

    by 2GOLD

    Spike does the same thing the Scoobs do, not telling Glory anything even after being tortured. And so Buffy bangs him as a reward?? So how did Xander get screwed out of THAT deal when Angel snapped his arm like a twig?? Or does she let him Vamp her...and how would this help her in the long run?? Boy, if this is the way they go then I'll be done watching this show. And Faith to die??? WHAT THE HELL!!! NOOOO!! Kill anyone BUT HER AND SPIKE!! ARGGHHH!!! Why does this damn show need a month off!!

  • March 7, 2001, 1:30 p.m. CST

    The Final Word on 5x5

    by Denverbabe

    Okay folks: Here is the real and true origin of 5x5. When radio operators, military or FCC, want to check the status of radio reception they say "How do you read?" and the answer is given on a scale of 1-5, 5 being best. So to say "loud and clear" you say "5 by 5" or if its loud but full of static, you say "5 by 2", etc. Obviously, 5 x 5 has come to mean everythings a-ok. Grist for the Fake Rumor Mill: When Dawn reaches over to touch her mom as she lay on the slab in the morgue, her power as the 'key' suddenly comes to light. She brings Joyce back to life and then becomes the 3rd god herself.

  • March 7, 2001, 2:49 p.m. CST

    My rumor's a beaut. Here we go...

    by bskutle

    Call it the "Love Conquers All" ending for this season. First of all, the Jenny Calender return "news" is just a red herring to make you THINK the show will be on next season. Alright, in the season finale, I'll just do a quick run through- Spike stakes Dru; Angel stakes Darla; Ben and Faith give up their lives protecting Buffy, Dawn, and the Scoobies; Xander, Buffy, and Angel destroy Glory, the third God (let's assume it's Brian), Lindsey, and Lila (@ W&H) in a "Crouching Tiger"-like battle, simultaneously draining all of the evil out of the Hellmouth and making Sunnydale a normal city again; Spike- trying to cop a feel w/ Buff after the fight- gets staked by the Slayer; Giles is offered a professor's job at UC-Sunnydale, where he falls in love with a fellow teacher; Xander and Anya are still together (with Anya telling Xand she's pregnant); Tara and Willow do it; Cordy and Gunn fall in love; Kate Lockley- who has become a member of Angel's crew- and Wesley hook up; Dawn and Kevin (that guy from her art class in "The Body") fall in love; and finally, Angel becomes human and he and Buffy- whom the PTB rewards by relieving her of her Slayer duties (finally giving her a chance for normalcy)- embrace in a passionate kiss in the final scene, living happily ever after, thus thoroughly ending both show's runs on TV in grand fashion. (Oh yeah, and Riley and Oz both realize they're gay and hook up together.)

  • March 7, 2001, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by fivebyfive

    Jonathon, was the nerdy guy from Sunnydale High. He was the one who tried to kill himself in Earshot, the one Harmony & company suggested Cordy go out with in The Wish, and also he was in last season's Superstar where he is like James Bond. As for the Jenny rumors. I too have heard them. First I heard that Robia LaMorte, who played her, was in talks to come back in the role of Jenny's twin sister. Then I heard she was in talks to come back as a villian. Maybe she'll do both. Be Jenny's sister but really evil. I think if that were to happen, it would work better on Angel than Buffy.

  • March 7, 2001, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Comedian, you must have a couple of screws loose.

    by vroom socko

    Angel working for the Knight Foundation... Damn man, how have you gone so long without being invited to join the Screaming Retinas? Let's rectify that now. Consider yourself a member.

  • March 7, 2001, 6:28 p.m. CST

    bskutle's mock spoiler

    by iloveryan

    Riley and Oz??!! Well, it might be amusing to see how quickly and completely that relationship would crash and burn, even if they were both as gay as proverbial springtime!

  • March 7, 2001, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Riley & Oz mock rumor

    by bskutle

    Glad you liked it. Truth told the only reason I put that in there is because I couldn't think of anything other than death for either (although a possibility of a threesome for Oz w/ Willow & Tara can't be discounted). ;)

  • March 7, 2001, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Ho Hum

    by cooper2000

    Buffy as a Vampire? Sounds like the end of the show. Stupid! Then she would go around killing everyone next season, right? Puhleeeze. I certainly hope they do the Buffy Angel crossover. That would be very cool! Heres an idea.... How about Faith and Glory get together and start a cheerleading team. Bring it Onnnn! Maybe Dru will get killed and we wont have to listen to the monotenous speeches of Sleazy G!!!!!!

  • March 7, 2001, 8:46 p.m. CST

    cheese slice man

    by kobayashi

    the truth to defeating Glory will be simple... she's lactose intolerant. The scoobies find out this dark secret of hers and enlist the help of the imfamous 'cheese slice man' tha they have all dreamed of but have never met. He is a manager at the local Sunnydale Pizza Hut. Glory gets so constipated from a large double stuffed crust w/ extra cheese that she overdoses on pepto and the world is at peace once again.

  • March 7, 2001, 8:48 p.m. CST

    he's also the 3rd god...

    by kobayashi


  • March 7, 2001, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by TheDukeofNewYork

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  • March 7, 2001, 11:14 p.m. CST


    by Village Idiot

    Although I have tirelessly labored to embody the spirit of the "Screaming Retinas" not only in my Talkback postings, but in my mode of dress as well, alas, I have never been invited to join. No matter. I will continue to post and continue to grow, and I know one day I will hear (well, read) Vroom Socko utter those hallowed words: "You're in, kid. You're in." In the meantime, carrying on the spirit, I will humbly remain (wait for it) . . . A Detached Retina.

  • March 7, 2001, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Village Idiot, how can I resist after reading that.

    by vroom socko

    The current roster of the Screaming Retinas Crew is as follows; Vroom Socko, Cormorant, Buzz Maverik, JonQuiote, Sleazy G, Superninja, The Comedian, and (the newest and most long overdue,) The Village Idiot. You're in kid, you're in.

  • March 8, 2001, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Speaking of threesomes....

    by fivebyfive

    Last week at the Bronze (offical Buffy's sites message board), both Amber Benson (Tara) and Joss Whedon were posting at the board after "The Body". Tara said in one of her posts that in an upcoming episode she would get to kiss both Oz & Spike. Don't know if she was joking, or why else she would say it.

  • March 8, 2001, 8:52 a.m. CST

    RE: threesomes

    by Heffaloo

    Sure, Amber said she would kiss both Oz and Spike. She also said that the entire fifth episode of season five would have everybody nekkid.

  • March 8, 2001, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by Heffaloo

    Sure, Glory kicks Buffy's ass every time they tussle. But how would she fair against Buffy, Robo-Buffy, Faith, Spike, Angel, Demonic Anya, the Key, and a pissed-off Willow/Tara team?

  • March 8, 2001, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Vampire Buffy?

    by Heffaloo

    Well, technically that would maker her dead (again) and that would call another Slayer (again). If you're going to go that far, how about say that Faith's heart skipped a few beats while she was in ICU, bring in six or seven new Slayers. Hell, there could be another spin-off a la The Lone Gunmen. You know what? I've changed my mind. Vamp her.

  • March 8, 2001, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Cordelia the Vampire Slayer

    by Heffaloo

    Not that I want Spike to be killed, but part of me wants Cordy to go back to Sunnydale and, since 1. She doesn't know about Spike's chip. and 2. She's now better at the Research and combat (sort-of) thing than any of the Scooby Gang.- she stakes Spike before anyone can re-act, just because he walked into the room.

  • March 8, 2001, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Buffy Rumors

    by Amarillo

    TV Guide Online has a great interview with Josh Whedon about "The Body" that answers a lot of the speculation. Joyce doesn't come back, unless there is a great reason. Joyce's last date also doesn't play any part in the future story. It was interesting to note that TV Guide labeled "The Body" one of the greatest episodes of television ever and said that the TV Academy doesn't need to look any further for an Emmy winner.

  • March 8, 2001, 3:34 p.m. CST

    It's all about status. You see, chicks dig status.

    by Village Idiot

    Woo hoo! Since my inclusion in the Screaming Retinas, I now find that I'm walking a little bit taller. Hopefully soon, we'll all be sipping brandy around the fireplace, or planning a bombing raid on all the credit card companies (First rule of Screaming Retinas: YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT SCREAMING RETINAS, unless of course you're bragging to chicks, or anyone for that matter, in which case it's perfectly ok.) ***** As I briefly commented on another Talkback board, if Joyce were to come back, it would be tantamount to Star Trek 3. In Star Trek 2, they transcended the conventions of the show (and perhaps even the genre) by forcing Kirk to deal with unambiguous, Deus Ex Machina-less DEATH. No way to pull it out in the end. This was a bold and profound statement; a statement that they subsequently ruined with Star Trek 3. Guess what, there was a Deus Ex Machina, and people don't really have to deal with real mortal consequences on STAR TREK. Let's hope Buffy doesn't follow this pattern.

  • March 8, 2001, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Buffy Spoilers

    by Zax

    I found some great spoilers on the message board for the buffy site Awesome webpage!!!

  • March 8, 2001, 4:56 p.m. CST

    A theory I just came up with...

    by bskutle

    This isn't a mock rumor like my last one, but a genuine theory I just had. Okay, in his "Team Whedon" article, Herc mentioned that one of the writers said that the last three eps of "Angel" this season would be outside of LA. Okay, here's my theory: "Buffy" and "Angel's" plots overlap; Whedon- in his TV Guide interview- denied that Joyce suitor Brian wasn't a part of the bigger plot (which makes sense, 'cause you'd think they would have shown him picking her up or dropping her off if he was); my theory is that the Senior Partner at Wolfram & Hart is the third Hell-God! It's not unthinkable, even if it is BS, but I wouldn't be surprised.

  • March 9, 2001, 12:34 a.m. CST

    G, Comedian, let's not fight.

    by vroom socko

    Remember gentlemen, we're all on the same team. We need to put aside these petty differences. no more disputes. We must stand as one, and gang up on the "FIRST" posters.

  • March 9, 2001, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Buffy the Slayer Vampire ?

    by Gandalf The Grey

    What possibilities could be explored if Buffy were to become a Vampire, of course with a soul? Also, add her properties as a slayer, and also add another Slayer to the mix, think new political framework for the show, I would find it interesting Vampires tend to have some advantages in strength and defence and have completely different weaknesses from humans, obviously they burn when in sunlight, or would this become to similiar to Angel? Of course, you could always integrate the 2 shows to create a 1 hour show with the possiblity of Angel and Buffy because they can experience bliss with each other as they are both demons(I think-learnt this from a spoiler web page a while ago, cant provide source)probally wrong. Anyway, this is only an idea forwarded, any opinions?

  • March 9, 2001, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Buffy a vamp/New slayer...

    by fivebyfive

    I had heard before season 4 started that Joss was trying to figure out a way to bring it back to just Buffy being the only slayer. Then early this season I heard the rumors that Faith might kick the bucket and that they wanted to bring in a new slayer with the twist this time being it's a male slayer. The way Joss has talked about Faith/Eliza in the past & current he really seems to like her character and would want to keep her around. So if they do vamp Buffy, killing her ...then it could open up the chance of this rumor happening.

  • March 9, 2001, 11:46 a.m. CST

    a male slayer!!!!!

    by sundown

    crap that would sort of suck! Unless Angel killed him or he turned real evil. I don't know I just saw the Slayer as feminine! Isn't that the point? A guy Slayer though... I don't know. Also I don't at all think or like the idea of a vampire Buffy. Its bad enough they are casting doubt on her humanity with this whole 'demon blood' thing. She really doesn't need to be a demon vamp having demon sex with demon angel...demon coitus. yuck. I think Glory will buy it as will the Knights of Kanucky. This whole mess will be resolved and pave the way for a new solid run next year. I think W&H will be around LONG LONG after Glory. Although Lindsey will be around longer than them. He is like the B-verse Doctor Doom. What I want to see is Lindsey showing up in Sunnydale and tricking the gang into thinking he is good. He could throw his money around help Buffy and then at the end reveal his evil coniving nature as it is all a trick to get revenge for Darla. As far as your league of talkbackers thats forming in front of my eyes...hmm I always identified with the villains more to be honest. But every Bruce Willis needs a Sam Jackson. Thats why the Watchman were so pathetic, lack of villains... But I don't particularly like Mail Ocean either...Battleposter is cool enough. Lets see if I'm Dr Doom, Mail Ocean is the Leader (annoying villain no one likes) and I guess Battleposter is Ultron. The're cousins anyways right? My plan you ask? Well Mr G it is to coat the world in Hot Pocket! Stop me if you can HAHAHAHAHAHAHA-coff-coff. Ah that manical laughing really clears the sinuses.

  • March 9, 2001, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The finale...

    by insincere_dave

    OK first off: when on slayer dies, even for an instant, then another is called. In that case why not just have some medical guy continually stop & restart buffy's heart. Do this 100 times & you've got quite a good force to fight evil with. Nice idea - wouldn't happen. Buffy has already died, so if she dies again another slayer won't appear. It's up to Faith to die to summon the next girl.****Best spin-off ever: Faith & Spike travel the world looking for demons to beat the crap out of. No moral crusading, no responsibilities, just a guy & a girl doing what comes naturally to them.****Angel faking it? I doubt it - Angelus would just kill the shaggies, go visit Buffy & catch her off guard at the funeral.****Can I notice some inconsistencies here? Spike is the only vampire who can match buffy in fighting ability (OK, not quite, but she's got lucky each time he had his chance), and Buffy can kick the hell out of Angel. But people are saying that Angel could beat Spike in a fight? Please.****And now, the ultimate finale: Glory puts buffy & Giles in a coma, stakes angel, destroys Anya & turns the witches into rats. It is left up to Xander to beat the living crap out of the hell god using a big stick with a nail in it. Can anyone else sense that I want Xander to get his share of violence?****By the way, I'm drunk, so apologies if this doesn't read perfectly.

  • March 9, 2001, 6:47 p.m. CST

    wait a minute, re-read the original rumor!

    by zebulon

  • March 9, 2001, 7:03 p.m. CST

    wait a minute, re-read the original rumor!

    by zebulon

    Oops, hit the enter key a little too quickly! If you go back and read the rumor you will notice that although Harold is from Chicago, there is no mention of his friends home town. The cast party could have been elsewhere. Also, a "steamy suprise" does not mean that Buffy and Spike do the nasty. It could just mean a passionate kiss! And what's with all this 3rd God speculation? The idea of a 3rd God was just an idea posed in an earlier talkback. We have not seen any foreshadowing that would indicate the presence of a third super-being. I admit it would be an interesting turn of events, but at this point it is in no way assured. As for the Angel rumor, remember this was a Buffy cast party, they probably don't know any more about what is happening on Angel than you or I. The Buffy spoilers could be true! p.s. BRING BACK AMY!!!!

  • March 9, 2001, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Zebulon, what do you mean no forwshadowing?

    by bskutle

    "And what's with all this 3rd God speculation? The idea of a 3rd God was just an idea posed in an earlier talkback. We have not seen any foreshadowing that would indicate the presence of a third super-being." Do you even watch the show? If you do, you would this isn't just a talkback thing. In "Blood Ties" (5.13), Giles says at the beginning of the episode that Glory and TWO of her fellow Hell Gods ruled over one of the demon dimensions, therefore leading to the conclusion that in addition to Glory and Ben that there's ONE more Hell God we have yet to discover the identity to, thus making three. My feeling- as before- is that it is the Senior Partner at Wolfram & Hart; if the two storylines collide by season's end, it makes sense. Just thought I'd clarify that.

  • March 9, 2001, 8:16 p.m. CST

    re-run hell -- miscellaneous rantings

    by zebulon

    With a few more weeks before we get a new episode, I thought I'd bring up a few questions/observations about what we've seen so far this season. (1) Did the whole Dracula episode actually take place in the Buffy reality, or was it really part of the brainwashing that the monks used to plant the false memories of Dawn in the Scoob's heads. The line about "living in Sunnydale for a while and never noticing the big-honking castle" makes me think that the monks used a fictional vampire "dream" as the method to introduce Dawn. Also, the ending where Dracula does not really seem to die still seems strange. (2) Is Glory really the BIG BAD? Usually by this time in the season we have been introduced to the BIG BAD and have learned of their plans to destroy the world. We know that the KEY holds great power for good or evil, but we really don't know what she plans to do with that power. Presumably, she plans on ditching her human form, but what then? Naturally we don't want Dawn to die/leave, but is the psycho-babe the real main problem, or will some other major baddie arrive in the last few episodes to cause huge problems? (3) What has happened to the whole "first slayer" search for Buffy's roots? I can't believe that we've seen the last of that storyline. What deep, dark secret about slayers will be reveiled? (4) Xander seems to be maturing nicely, and he finally seems to be getting some respect, he's nobodies "butt-monkey" anymore. Will he and Buffy come close to hooking up? (5) Contrary to most, I still believe that JOYCE IS NOT DEAD! The BODY was not Joyce, it was really Glory/Ben transformed into Joyce's shape so she/he could try to overhear Buffy reveal the location of the KEY. Joss can always kill-off Joyce later. ***Enough for now, any thoughts?

  • March 9, 2001, 8:24 p.m. CST

    thanks bskutle, i do watch but i guess i missed

    by zebulon

    that remark. I do remember Giles mentioning that Glory was from one of the nastier demon dimensions. Plus the whole triune God is a natural.

  • March 9, 2001, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Let us not forget....

    by iloveryan

    ....(as far as the third Hell-God is concerned) all that stuff about "The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken" or something like that.

  • March 10, 2001, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Zebulon ...

    by TrollPrincess

    That WAS Joyce, no doubt about it. It wasn't a storyline thing that killed off Joyce, it was a real life thing. Kristine Sutherland wanted out of her contract -- THAT'S why she died. And it's not a rumor, it's straight from the horse's mouth. She said so in an article. If they want to bring Joyce back, they're going to have to do it without the actress who plays her.

  • March 10, 2001, 1:38 p.m. CST

    My Buffy theories

    by turboposterdude

    Well, I'm new to postin' (been reading talkback about buffy since the beginning though). I figured, what the heck, y not post. Anyway, here it is: During the big, huge crossover battle with ben/glory buffy will take a fatal wounding. Spike, devistated, will vamp her to keep her alive. Not sure what would happen next season though, Personally, I think vamped Buffy could be the big baddie of next season. Xander takes the lead of the scoobs while buffys vamped. They could spend the season trying to get her soul back. That does sound a bit crappy though. Ohh well, I know Joss won't dissapoint. BTW, anybody know the date the next new buffy/angel eps come back on?