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UPDATED: New STAR TREK Series 5 Details'

This could be all gospel, this could be all nonsense, but Coax is all about speculation, right?

This item, which appeared Sunday morning, is all apparently tied to a Paramount casting sheet which went out to talent agents (in connection to a pilot slated to begin shooting May 8th). Ponder...

At TrekToday.com, a news site dedicated to Star Trek, we posted the first plot and character info for the next Star Trek show:

http://www.trektoday.com/news/040301_01.shtml

According to a casting sheet sent out by Paramount, the as-yet-untitled show will be set aboard the Starship Enterprise, under the command of Captain Jackson Archer. It will take place in the 22nd Century, before even the original Star Trek series.

Jackson is described as a bold and intensely curious explorer in his early 40s, who, "unlike the Starfleet captains in centuries to come, exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement as well as a little trepidation about the strange things he will encounter." Like Captain James T. Kirk, he is described as having a strong sense of duty, but also not afraid to question orders or even disobey them if he feels in his gut that he's right -"he's a bit of a renegade," according to the casting sheet.

His crew include Sub-Commander T'Pau, a Vulcan female assigned to oversee humanity's progress on board Enterprise, Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucke, a Southerner who is brilliant as engineer of the Enterprise but very inexperienced when it comes to dealing with alien cultures, and Doctor Phlox, an exotic alien who practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine" the likes of which we've never seen.

A recurring character that will be appearing in the show is Silik, a physically agile alien, and leader of the Suliban, a deadly species obsessed with genetic enhancement - described as the show's main villain. In addition, the pilot will feature several high-ranking Starfleet Admirals and a Vulcan ambassador, perhaps suggesting that it will also show some of the political intrigue that undoubtedly took place during the early years of the Federation.

The full casting sheet can be found by going to the following URL:

http://www.trektoday.com/news/040301_01.shtml.

Please feel free to use some of the material in a news item, but we would ask that you link to the source article at TrekToday.

Sincerely, Christian

This conflicts with a lot of stuff we've heard, but the casting sheet looks not illegitimate. Is Christian a hoaxster, or is he The Man? Let us know!

I am - Hercules!!

P.S.: ROBOGEEK here, and while I am loathe to step on the great Herc's toes, I can't resist the urge to chime in and point out that Berman & Co. seem to have completely bastardized (if not altogether abandoned) established STAR TREK continuity in exchange for what appears to be yet more mediocrity. A "prequel" to the Original Series should be a love letter to Roddenberry's original vision, while also an act of redemption to the much-abused (and dissolving) fan base. Instead, this sounds like a slap in the face (read the points raised in Talk Back) and is quickly approaching the fear value of the WB's forthcoming "teen Clark Kent" abortion (itself a rape of Tim McCanlies' planned spin-off for his proposed "Bruce Wayne" series, which was brilliantly conceived). At least we have Tom DeSanto steering the new "Battlestar Galactica" to pin our hopes on.

P.P.S. HERC here again! As incredible as it might seem, it now looks like this is not a ruse!! A VERY reliable source with ties to "Star Trek" insiders just e-mailed me this:

Herc, about that casting sheet for "Trek"... I can't be sure, but it certainly looks legit. And it tracks with everything we've been hearing. It looks like they ditched the 29th Century villain (which Paramount rejected) and replaced him with someone obsessed with genetic enhancement, whatever the hell that means.

NOT the response I was expecting!! Another reliable source whom Herc knows to have a shocking amount of inside dope on "Star Trek" adds this:

The name of Star Trek series five is "Enterprise." It will not be "Star Trek: Enterprise." Berman said it would be a stand alone title. Paramount is quite concerned about the fate of Star Trek as it is one of their premeire franchises. After Next Generation went off the air and became movies the merchandising dropped, even the merchandise developed for the movies. After Insurrection tanked at the box office and Voyager's ratings started to drop, Paramount talked about an updated version of Next Generation without Stewart and Spiner who did not want to do a weekly series again. Paramount suggested series five be developed and asked Berman to make sure it was set on the Enterprise -- any Enterprise. Berman suggested a few concepts without including everyone's favorite starship and Paramount shot them down. I don't know anymore than you do but the initial cast will be five main characters and some semi-regulars. The sets are built and have been redressed for use in the last couple of eps of Voyager.

Wacky!!







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  • March 4, 2001, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I hope this is true.

    by Rollo Tomassi

    I think the prequel idea (while obviosuly inspired by "Star Wars") is the best chance to do something new with the beloved fanchise. The 24th century should be left to the movies for a while. I personally am excited about this concept.

  • March 4, 2001, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...T'Pau?

    by FusionAddict

    So, we have sucky 80s new wave bands in space now?

  • March 4, 2001, 11:21 a.m. CST

    This could work... or not

    by Celedhring

    The concept is very interesting, I've always thought that there are a lot of things to explain about the beginnings of the Federation, just after the First Contact... But Voyager had an interesting concept and plainly sucked.

  • March 4, 2001, 11:40 a.m. CST

    COULD BE GOOD ....

    by skiprat2000

    well it sounds like it could be well cool if they pull it off .... or it might suck big time. i just hope they resist the temptation to fill it full of technobabble and some annoying twat like neelix ... who sounds scarily like the doctor they describe ... i reckon a long story arc ala babylon 5 is the way to go ... instead of the usual stand alone, no consequences or after effects from anyones actions style which has been so badly used up to now ... hell, let me write it! and i promise it won't suck! how about a first season story arc where the captain is some other guy and this jackson is first officer ... the captain is a loon and the whole of the first season is based around jackson's gradual rise to captaincy by splitting the crew into a group loyal to him and the other to the captain, and the captains descent into lunacy and his eventual discharge or whatever ... and hey presto! one new good captain and a decent established villain for the next season or two in the form of an ex starfleet captain ... out to ruin the federations chances for peace and stuff before they've even got started! and just think of all the cool futuristic retro design you could have! Not like starwars where the past is more futuristic than the future! or has it been done before?

  • March 4, 2001, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a load of..........

    by Dallas1701D

    bull@#&% to me. First off, the Trek universe has fully established a history for itself regarding most of the elements this article describes. There are no ships names enterprise before Kirks (acknowledging Pike and April as preceeding him). This is illustrated in the Motion Picture when Decker shows Ilea a diagram af all past ships named Enterprise. There is a diagram of a ship they could use, but it is highly unlikely that they would bother as it a very uninteresting and un-trek-like ship (it was designed by Matt Jeffries for a TV show that Roddenberry never finished making). Second, look at the parallels between the characters. A misunderstood vulcan first officer? A quirky accent-laden engineer who takes his job way tooo seriously? A captain with a strong sense of moral duty but not afraid to question orders? OK i can forgive the captain because that seems to be a given in the trek universe, but wow, if this WAS true, why wouldn't they just re-film the original series and get it over with. Third, Spock was the first Vulcan to enlist in Starfleet. He served with Kirk in TOS from 2264 to 2269 , and with Pike for 11 years and 4 months prior to that. The Enterprise was only launched in 2245, and he was only born in 2230. If all that is true, there is no way that a Vulcan officer or an Enterprise with one on board could exist in the 22nd century. Fourth, why pigeonhole themselves into sticking with an established history. If these are characters who haven't traveled in time, we already know what their future holds. If they are time travellers, then we deal with a Quantum Leap-setting right what once went wrong-scenario, which seems kind of, well, mundane. I know that the Berman has no sense of history when it comes to Trek, and changes rules and histories weelky, but even he has got to have some sense that this won't work. People like me with too much time on my hands and too much info in my head are all over the planet and would not respond well to a series that contained such discrepencies. Plus, think of how crappy the production design would be. It would have to look even cheezier that the old series. This is why I challenge the validity of this article and if I'm wrong then I promise I will eat my words. I won't even go so far as to speculate on what a new series might hold in store, but I really don't think that this is it. Probably is just a load of disinformation leaked by the studio.

  • March 4, 2001, 11:52 a.m. CST

    This concept shits all over TOS...

    by Pepperseed

    Something which draws all the previous series together would be much more fun. Although I would like to see those old uniforms again, especially Uhura's. I8f does go ahead, I recommend Jackie Mason as Cream Cheese and Phlox, or whatever he's called.

  • March 4, 2001, 11:59 a.m. CST

    The best idea i've heard so far....uhhh, and also the first.

    by simian

    This is actually a very good idea. The whole problem with the Trek series is that they recycle so many story structures, like the go back in time, in another dimension, as well as characters, every show has to have a neat weirdo, a genius, a ladies man, and so on. Each new show needs something to drastically set it apart from the other series and not fall back on the standard Trek storylines everyone has seen before. Deep Space had a whole political thing going on, and Voyager has an arc, but they still got mired in technobabble and rehashed plotlines that were done to death in the first two series. The idea of an early Trek show is great, the political aspects, the behavior (Fuck the Prime Directive), and very importantly The Look of the show to be different. i like the idea of having the technology being crude and maybe using color design like the first Trek series, but without falling into campy throwback. Oh, well, we'll see if this idea pans out or not.

  • March 4, 2001, 12:05 p.m. CST

    ...Unless they use April as captain.

    by Pepperseed

    Kirks father was supposed to have served with april, and in the fiction, young kirk and Robert April and kirk senior have adventures, in that excellent novel, the name of which escapes me. You could work it like that, and have a young Kirk on board, kinda like Wesley crusher, but cooler, meaner, and with a hard-on for something other than isolinear chips...

  • March 4, 2001, 12:14 p.m. CST

    the novel is called..........

    by Dallas1701D

    BEST DESTINY, written by Diane Carey in 1992.......in answer to your TB, Pepperseed.------------------------------------By the way, does anyone think it is funny that some of the characters listed in the Trek Today site are Called Admiral FORREST, Commander WILLIAMS, and Admiral LEONARD, which just happens to be a coincidence of writing in parallel to DeForrest Kelley, William Shatner, and Leonard Nimoy, not to mention a vulcan male named TOS?????? How dumb do they think their audience is???

  • March 4, 2001, 12:37 p.m. CST

    uuuhh.....uhhh...oh fuck it...just shoot me

    by sigma957

    this is going to suck romulan cock. Berman is still at the helm...god help us....oooh gee a race bent on genetic enhancement...you mean like perhaps a genetic based borg type people...looking for the best genes from every race they encounter?...i think berman's been watching andromeda and thinks the neitscheans are pretty cool. and wow...we haven't had an alien doctor on board the ship lately...just what i'd want...oh doc...i've got a phaser blast to the groin.....no problem let's just shove these Telebrian Waterchestnuts up your ass...that should do the trick.....Berman move-a-long...we have nothing to see here....and christ...who wants to see an older ship with lower technology...the only good thing to come out of this idea is that there won't be anymore fucking holodeck episodes...thank god we have andromeda, SG-1, and Outer Limits around to fill the void.....I want my B5 back!

  • March 4, 2001, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Actually, Dallas1701D. . .

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    . . .Berman and Co. don't really care much about Trek continuity. Remember that episode of Voyager when they wen't back to the '90's and there was no Eugenics War? And when (I think it was) Berman was asked about it, he said something to the effect that most viewers don't care about continutiy so it's no big deal. I haven't watched any of the Treks in years, and I doubt I'll watch this either. Sure, the concept is intreguing--but then so was the concept for Voyager. Lost far from home, with no way of contacting the Federation and no one to turn to for help, unknowns on all sides. . .any compatent director and team of writers could have created some world-class episodes out of that material, but all I've ever seen thus far is mediocity. DS9 and even NEXT GENERATION, on the other hand, managed to evolve into something watchable after their first 2-3 seasons. DS9 even turned into some of the best Sci-fi on TV. And now they're doing retro-Trek? Sad. Who knows, maybe they'll strike gold once again, but somehow I doubt it.

  • March 4, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Why this will suck

    by Mockingbird Girl

    I LOVE "Star Trek." Love it! But the franchise is tired and needs a rest. One need only look at "Voyager," which had a great premise -- Homer's "Odyssey" in the 24th century -- but was plagued by sub-standard scripts and lack of a credible story arc. So long as the same creative team responsible for "Voyager" also handles the 5th series, we can expect more of the same. WAKE UP BERMAN! Your and Paramount's selfish pursuit of the Great Space Cash Cow is alienating the most loyal fan base in the history of television. If those of us who have been watching for 30 years won't tune in, who do you think will?

  • March 4, 2001, 12:55 p.m. CST

    "Give a little bit of heart and soul!"

    by Edsel

    It's sort of nice to see this site catering to what the internet was designed for in the first place: Allowing nerds of the world to voice their opinions of Star Trek. So here's mine: Bad idea. MY idea is much more thought-provoking. Give this a read: How about Enterprise B or C? Both ships have established history in the series with definite endings. Wouldn't it be great to watch a new series, knowing that this particular Enterprise will meet a grisly fate? (I think Enterprise C bought it pretty bad, but don't preach to me if I'm wrong) Hell, you could even carry over from the movies and get Alan Ruck to be the slightly unsure Captain of Enterprise B, as seen in Generations. Not difficult, people. Plus, you have the giddy thrill in anticipation of the inevitable ending of the series! Brilliant!

  • March 4, 2001, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Just to clarify...

    by PoxyVonSinister

    ... the 80s band T'Pau took their name from the name of the Vulcan priestess in the original series. Which would still be bad, because I don't recall her ever serving on a Federation starship....

  • March 4, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Star Trek V: The Final Insult

    by Studio Lackey

    It's pretty clear what's going on here. Berman/Braga are infamous for hating TOS and wanting to completely supplant Roddenberry's vision with their own. So, what better way to achieve this than to go back to the beginning of Trek history and rewrite Star Trek from the roots up according to their own vision? Look for established TOS continuity to be flushed down the toilet as Berman/Braga complete the Borgification of Trek and wipe the slate clean -- though unfortunately, in this case the rag they're wiping with is crusted with shit...

  • March 4, 2001, 1:25 p.m. CST

    What it should be. . .

    by indyhu

    There shouldn't be a weekly series based on a single starship or storyline. A series of quarterly TV movies based in differrent era's would have a better chance of being successful. They could run stories where a cadet at the academy is learning about the history of the Federation. We could see stories that take place at the beginning, in say, a Daedelus class vessel. Or during the first Federation Romulan conflict. Or jump to a later period. Hell, bring in Kelsey Grammer as Captain Batesman and do a 23rd century storie. Do a storie on the Time cops. There are so many opportunities here, and no one individual has to produces them all (Braga, Moore, etc. . .). There are so many possibilities. My two cents. Like anyone who can have an efffect really reads this.

  • March 4, 2001, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Wow, how original.

    by Will Collier

    A Southerner who has trouble with alien races. Gee, what Hollywood airhead came up with that brilliant and original plot twist? So much for Star Trek boldly disregarding lazy 20th (and apparently 21st) Century stereotypes...

  • March 4, 2001, 1:36 p.m. CST

    LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Wheel99

    Even if it's not true. This is the lamest thing I have ever heard of. T'Pau? Talk about scraping the bottom of the bit character barrel. That makes no sense. She is a vulcan high priestess. Seeing how Spock was scorned about going in to Starfleet it makes zero sense putting her on the ship. Give us a Star Fleet Black Ops show or none at all.

  • March 4, 2001, 1:50 p.m. CST

    While never a huge Trek fan...

    by Daredevil

    This character list and the concept sounds promising. Like I said, I'm not a big fan, but when it's good, I do like it. I love several of the movies and much of The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine series (and the occasional Voyager episode...primarily ones with the Doctor.) But these sound like some actually original characters (The fact that the captain and commander don't like each other much, the communication officer doesn't like space travel, the pilot who grew up on tramp freighters, and the spit n' polish military guy.) If this is true, Trek might actually be worth watching in the near future.

  • March 4, 2001, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Dallas. Best destiny.

    by Pepperseed

    That's a great book.

  • March 4, 2001, 1:56 p.m. CST

    SO FAKE!

    by Leonides

    I have to join my fellow Trekkers here and say that this is the worst idea to fall out of Berman's ass since bringing the Borg back 36 frickin' times on Voyager. I mean, how unoriginal can you get? A ship named ENTERPRISE, a captain who's a "bit of a renegade" ? Give me a break! This has CRAPPER written all over it. But you know what the good news is? This report is a FAKE! C'mon, guys, look at the puns. Someone already pointed out some of them, and nobody responded. FORREST - DeForrest Kelley!!! LEONARD - Leonard Nemo WILLIAMS - William Shatner TOS - Abbreviating for "The Original Series" (as used in every Star Trek reference). Come on guys! I bet there are even more if you look for them! This is verrrry fake. And well, if it isn't, then the writers must have been really bored trying to piss us off.

  • March 4, 2001, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Much as I would like to rejoice the overdue abandoning of the 24

    by ARCTURUS

    Continuity problems is right. How are you going to have a legitimate Star Trek series set in the 21rst century? This new show sounds just as technologically advanced as those set in the 23rd and 24th centuries. How can that be? That dude who made the commnet about the Klingons is right on the money. You can extend that logic to all the hair and makeup for the new series. And wasn't Capt. April the first Enterprise Captain? Who's Capt. Archer? This is worse than Qui Gon Jinn being the "real" master of Obi-wan! Well, looking at the bright side, at least we won't have that god-awful holodeck to deal with anymore! What a clummsy, flimsy invention/writer's crutch that thing is! but still, i can't help wondering that the Enterprise for this new show will wind up looking like the bleeping Space Shuttle!

  • March 4, 2001, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Sorry, as to the above , I meant "22nd Century"...

    by ARCTURUS

  • March 4, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    What a load of SH*T!!!

    by Magnum PI

    And I mean that almost literaly. This idea(22nd Century Trek) has been floating around since before Berman pulled Voyager out of his asshole. This story is just some fanboy trying to stir something up. Personally I think that Paramount should jetison Berman and company in favour of a totally new creative team. Voyager has been a 7 year nap with the Doctor and 7 of 9 being the only characters with any depth to them. That is really sad when you consider how well developed DS9 characters were. DS9 had a very large ensemble cast(main & supporting characters)yet there seemed to be enough time to explore each one to a great degree. What they need to do with this new Trek is to take a page from B5 or Buffy and have story arcs that progress over a period of time. It always bugged me that major traumatic events that occurred to Trek characters(DS9 excepted) were contained in single episodes and then were never touched on again. Picard was captured and tortured by the Cardassians but by the next episode he was right back in the big chair. In real life an experience like that would affect someone for the rest of their days. Straczynsky had the entire five year story arc planned out before B5 was ever made. It wouldn't hurt for the new Trek to be done the same way.

  • March 4, 2001, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Trek Can't Win...

    by Studio Lackey

    I like the idea of a Trek series with a B5-like overall arc, but you know what would happen -- hordes of angry B5 fans would raise a huge stink about Trek yet again ripping off B5. I have a suspiction that this story is phony -- I mean, a character named "TOS"??? -- but I do think a pre-TOS Trek series would be interesting, if only to force TPTB away from all the holodeck episodes. And maybe we'd get an "official" (storywise) explanation once and for all for the ridgeless Klingons!

  • March 4, 2001, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Oh my...

    by enigmainyourhead

    Sounds like a whole big can of worms to pop open. I just started watching the first episode of fan series Hidden Frontier (http://www.hiddenfrontier.com), and the thing really has some potential if they actually built a set and got a bigger cast.

  • March 4, 2001, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Romancing Zefram Cochrane...

    by Narfinity

    Yes, Brannon Braga has written some decent Trek. How much involvement he really had in those scripts comes into question when one considers such things as the fact that he wanted there to be a romantic subplot between Picard and Zefram Cochrane in First Contact. He had to be told that Cochrane was a man, and no, that couldn't be changed. Yeesh! While I stopped regularly watching Voyager years ago (with the exception of the Barclay/Troi episodes) I see ads nearly every day for reruns and I am amazed. Every episode seems to have the ship explode or half the crewmembers dead or everyone abducted or Seven running in slow-motion (okay, maybe that last one only about half the time). Whatever happened to small stories? Human stories? They're trying to turn every other episode of the show into a life-or-death action thriller and that just doesn't work! The show sure is more visually interesting than TOS or TNG ever were, but that is all it really seems to be. Eye candy. Making cool sets and big 3D screens and lots of FX shots of the ship blowing up were not high priorities on older Trek. What we have today is more pornographic in nature than series television should be, with explosive visuals designed to titillate the viewer instead of further a story that instead seems to be written around them. I don't pretend to care about the characters when it's the tenth time in a season that the ship is about to explode or when there's 45 seconds left in the episode and B'Elanna modifies an impulse generator quickly enough to get the credits rolling on time with everyone smiling about (or forever changed by) the ordeal. When Picard was abducted by the Borg, I cared. I was captivated. When Geordi and Ro were trapped in an alternate phase of reality and forced to watch everyone plan their funeral and knowing that they probably actually would be dead soon moved me. When Q forced Picard to relive a pivotal time in his youth, I was fascinated. When stuff like that happens on a weekly basis, so often that they don't even bother rewriting history, they just dispense with it, I don't care because the show has stopped being about the characters and more about "high-concepts" and crap science and mind-bending bullshit. Star Trek has become a caricature of its former self, as so many things do over time. I am not surprised that Voyager's ratings are so low, nor am I surprised that its ratings grew when Seven of Nine was added. They are not going after the audience that gave TNG's final episode a 40-share. They are not appealing to the people that gave the first few Trek movies the highest opening weekend grosses in history. Trek is not dead, but it is barely twitching. I will watch the next series in desperate hope that it is not as bad as I fear it will be, but I am not at all optimistic about anything Trek anymore. I used to be a Trekkie, or a Trekker, or whatever you want to call it. Now I just don't care. P.S. Insurrection was an insult. I felt dirty after watching it. I only saw it once and maybe I will see it again at some point, but I doubt I will ever like it. It was formula crap written for the lowest common denominator...and they wonder why it was the first Trek movie ever to actually lose money! Get a clue, guys. I have reached the end of a very, very long rope, and I am fed up. I hope that by the time Berman & Co finally understand original Trek, it's not too late. But it probably already is.

  • March 4, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Stay dead or change

    by Integra

    This is probably untrue, but i wouldnt be surprised if it is true. Star trek will never go anywhere unless its willing to take chances with its major characters. That was what was so great about babylon 5, it wasnt concerned with being a franchise and had a definitive overall story. The writing in B5 is just light years better then any trek series. TOS was great because it hadnt been done before. Now its been done FOUR times. Maybe they can come up with something new? They really need to shake up the whole trek universe. Maybe have the federation break up, whatever but do something new. Its such hackneyed bad 3rd rate sci-fi.

  • March 4, 2001, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Here's an idea

    by iloveryan

    Have some of the Federation worlds conquered by the Dominion during the war acutally WANT to remain part of the Dominion. (As I said earlier, I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the Founders.)

  • March 4, 2001, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Give me an S!!!!

    by Russman

    Give me an I !!! Give me an H !!! Give me a T !!!! I really hope this is a case of misinformation because this is such a lame ass idea. UGH!!!!!!!

  • March 4, 2001, 6:01 p.m. CST

    O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,

    by Paintball Target

    That I am meek and gentle with these butchers! Thou art the ruins of the noblest man That ever lived in the tide of times. Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood! Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,-- Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips, To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue-- A curse shall light upon the limbs of men; Domestic fury and fierce civil strife Shall cumber all the parts of Italy; Blood and destruction shall be so in use And dreadful objects so familiar That mothers shall but smile when they behold Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war; All pity choked with custom of fell deeds: And Roddenberry's spirit, ranging for revenge, With Ate by his side come hot from hell, Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial

  • March 4, 2001, 6:04 p.m. CST

    sigh

    by Balok

    ...................im 32 years old.....back in the 70's when watching star trek re-runs i had a gold kirk shirt on and played star trek with my friend up the street.....i hated the next gen until it got to be somewhat watchable...i loved ds9 from the word go...i even liked voyager for the first episode and a half....and they've lost me.....THEY HAVE FUCKIN LOST ME!!! i havent watched voyager in at least 2 years. berman blows. the emperor has no clothes. arrrrrgggghhh! can we get someone to run the show who actually liked the original star trek? is that asking too much? what whatever 5th show they come up with needs is...an ira steven behr..or a gene coon...someone to grab the fucker by the horns and make it his own.......i cant even type....liquor kickin in

  • March 4, 2001, 6:32 p.m. CST

    one more thing......

    by Balok

    you know what this new series REALLY needs???? how about some good old fashioned rick berman approved shitty, tuneless, instantly forgetable "music". huh?? how cool would that be? kinda like the crap they inserted in the ds9 tribbles episode. the goddamned hack....

  • March 4, 2001, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Instead of another crap series...

    by doctorcreep

    Why doesn't someone just show episodes of Doctor Who and save Berman the trouble of ripping it off. TNG's finest moment was a shameless, word for word rip off of an episode of Blake's 7, a series created by a Doctor Who writer. The Blake's 7 episode in question was a season ender, with the captain being held prisoner on an enemy ship. The last word of the episode was the 2nd in command ordering his crew to "FIRE" on the enemy ship before the credits rolled. Sound familiar, anyone? Not to mention the Borg are a knockoff of the Cybermen. And now from what I read in this Talk Back, there's actually a character on Voyager called THE DOCTOR????? Are you fucking kidding me? Please tell me you are.

  • March 4, 2001, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Just let it die...

    by DearGodMySpleen

    I'm of the opinion that the 24th century storyline has run its course. Fourteen years, three series, and plenty of rehashed, unoriginal writing has watered down this particular universe (imagine being subjected to a weekly Star Wars series, or three, for fourteen years...I doubt there would be as much fan loyalty for SW as there is now). They blew their chance to do a good crossover movie (why they didn't buy the rights to the novel "Federation" is beyond me), and "Insurrection" was just a complete waste of talent and money. I'd really like to see Trek off the air for a few years and start a new series that jumps ahead a few hundred.

  • March 4, 2001, 6:57 p.m. CST

    all right im on a tirade...

    by Balok

    you know what is one huge ass sign that the forces behind a tv show are the wrong ones in charge??? well i'll tell ya.....it takes like 3 fuckin years for a good episode to air!!! the best year of ANY series of star trek BAR NONE is the original ster treks FIRST YEAR! roddenberry knew what he wanted to see and he got the job DONE! there was no one or two YEARS to get up to speed??!! he was the creative force and he was in charge! now-a-days when television is created by corporate ass kissing number crunchers it takes forever to see anything worthwhile. even next-gen blew for TWO WHOLE YEARS (except for q-who) and it was because at that point roddenberry was dry-humping his own creation to prove he had something left in the tank. man am i pissed. if I of all people cant get it up for star trek something is majorly fucking wrong..

  • March 4, 2001, 7:17 p.m. CST

    A message for Narfinity...

    by DearGodMySpleen

    I think you just nailed it with your assessment of "Insurrection". It just kind of oozes off the screen, doesn't it? And when the little Demon Seed kid tells Data to "Have a little fun, every day", I just about refilled my popcorn bucket. I just don't get how Berman and Co. could have convinced themselves that this story was worthy for a big-screen outing. Hell, it probably wasn't even worthy for a mid-season episode of "Voyager".

  • March 4, 2001, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Is Trek Dead?

    by Leonides

    Yes. In its current form it's dead. Voyager proved that, and I think Insurrection did too. Insurrection was by far a HUGE HUGE HUGE disappointment. I mean, a freakin' joystick can control the Enterprise-E? Give me a break! And the humor! I don't want humor! I want action and thoughtfulness! And you know what? We're gonna get the same steaming pile of dogshit from Berman in the next movie outing. How can he be so arrogant as to think we're gonna keep putting up to it. Here's a message: WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!!! CHANGE IT OR WE STOP WATCHING AND YOU MAKE NO MONEY! I stopped watching Voyager as soon as it became Seven-centric. I loved DS9 and TNG, but I think those were the golden age of Trek. We need new blood, ladies and gentlemen.

  • March 4, 2001, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Oh Hell(raiser)

    by iloveryan

    Actually, I think the Borg are a rip-off from the Cenobites from HELLRAISER. They sure look like Cenobites, and their ship is a cube-shape (the puzzle-box)which turns out to be a monotonous labrynth inside. When the Borg first appeared, what they did was slice civillizations apart to obtain their technology the way the Cenobites sliced apart their victims; but when in HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER II they showed humans being made into Cenobites by having all manner of nasty things stuck into them, the Borg after that started assimillating people AND technology. "We have such sights to show you!"

  • March 4, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Can't even watch it.....

    by SvenOleThorson

    I live in the Cincinnati area and we can't even watch Voyager.It's only on channel 25 which is not carried by cable.It's that lame UPN network.They are on a channel so crappy that cable won't take it and reception by normal antenna is virtually impossible unless you live 3 feet from the transmitter.What episodes I have seen, through a static haze, have been mediocre.The characters are just boring.I do like the Doctor and Seven of Nine's body(WOW,what a rack!),but they basically suck.Please drop the techno-babble and actually have stories with real dialogue.Every word spock ever said would add up to less techno-babble than one episode of Voyager.

  • March 4, 2001, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Take a moment and breathe

    by Narfinity

    Just a few more comments here...why do we need to have a new Trek series airing by fall? Are we not allowed to breathe? To recover from the thick, crushing mediocrity that has been Voyager and Insurrection? Even disregarding the quality of Voyager and the potential quality of the upcoming series, why must there be no break? Does no one think anticipation needs to build? Is it assumed that we will forget about Star Trek? I haven't, and I don't remember the last time I watched anything Trek. Yet I know that I can pull my copy of The Wrath of Khan off the wall and watch it and there will be moments when chills run up my spine (and if there were a feature-packed DVD to be had it would replace my LD copy in a heartbeat...are you listening, Paramount?...oh, right.) I will not forget Star Trek. If it dies in the next 5 years I know 20 years from now I will love it as much as I do now. I can sort of understand their need to get it out quick. Mediocre product is forgettable, and that is what recent Star Trek has become. But they need to take some time, to do it right (assuming they would know how), to not rush it. As I understand it, Voyager was rushed, and it shows (if it wasn't rushed, then I am even more disappointed!) so they should have learned a lesson. Of course, some of the same people who think "Shasta McNasty" should have been a hit are involved with Trek, so God help us all. Narfinity's plan for goodness: 1. Ditch UPN. Please! 2. Have everyone at Paramount take a nap and awaken rested and alert. 3. Paramount executives immediately fire Berman and Braga. 4. High-Casual Soiree to celebrate. 5. New Trek Show will now be syndicated (on many ex-UPN stations) and will be called Star Trek: Excelsior. George Takei and Grace Lee Whitney are ecstatic, as are many Trek fans. 6. Sit back and enjoy the show.

  • March 4, 2001, 10:14 p.m. CST

    If the Trek universe is on life support.....

    by SkyJedi

    ....then this is the power outage that kills it. Not only is it uninspired, it's a carbon copy of everything before. Paramount needs to keep Trek on the shelf for about 3-4 years to not only give it a much needed rest, but develop a great premise for a new series. Then it can be brought back with much fanfare. I hope to god this report is fake.

  • March 4, 2001, 10:36 p.m. CST

    bring back DS9

    by KSisko

    man, I hope this is a fake...if not, God help us all... I'm in favor of trashing this new series and just developing a couple of made for TV movies for the next couple of years....Let Ira Stephen Behr return us to DS9 and show us the aftermath of the Dominion War...Bring Sisko and Dukat back in a Holy War or something...ANYTHING, just don't do this show..it's a terrible idea.. 500+ shows since 1987 is a lot...fanboys and the like are getting bored...take a freakin break... but if they HAVe to bring it back, I want more DS9...

  • March 4, 2001, 11 p.m. CST

    Ah, yes, a failure from the very beginning *sigh*

    by Mr_Intimidation

    This entire idea of a pre-Federation series is doomed to fail. Such a series will only be of interest to Star Trek fanatics, who would watch anything Star Trek to begin with, but why would the outside sci-fi fan or even the non sci-fi fan even bother tuning in when 90% of all this 'pre-history' bullshit will just go over their heads? Answer: they won't. If Paramount has any sense, they'll drop this series. (Mind you, I find the series actually pretty exciting, but then I'm one of those fanatical Star Trek fans (hell, i'm STILL watching Voyager, so that should say something)). But I'd rather see the idea about a Federation SWAT Team in outer space than this. I would think that would provide more action and a better variety of aliens and enemies. Then again, who is to say there should even BE another Star Trek series?

  • March 4, 2001, 11:08 p.m. CST

    A few things that make me think that this report is fake:

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    1.) Berman said earlier that the "prequel" Trek idea had been scrapped in favor of another as yet unnamed. I wish I could find the link to the article where he made these statements, but I can't. 2.) This thing is supposed to be on the air by this fall. And yet, they have no cast, scripts or sets which I've heard of. No way could they slap something together in time for the fall season, especially with a writer's strike almost certainly on the way. Plus, look at all the puns in the article which Leonides and others pointed out in their posts. These things all combine to make me want to call "bullshit!" on this story. At least, I sincerely *hope* it's BS, because if it's not, then Allah help Trek.

  • March 4, 2001, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Good point...

    by Leonides

    Sith Lord brings up a good point. How could they possibly get this thing ready for a fall release? September is only 7 months away, and in another month they have the Writers Guild striking (which will cripple the entertainment industry) and then the Screen Actors Guild is gonna strike! There's no chance in hell they'll be able to get this out of the factory in time. I really like the Excelsior idea. Takea rocks and Sulu rocks harder. I also like the civilian idea... lets see what freightor pilots think of Starfleet. LET'S GET NEW VIEWPOINTS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. That's what made DS9 so cool, we got to see the Bajorans' POV, the Cardassians' POV, the Romulans' POV... we actually got the idea that there we other political entities besides the Federation! Star Trek needs some series help. I'm convinced Berman is content with just collecting a pay check -- I really don't think he gives a crap about the quality produced. But Paramount will have to learn sooner or later...

  • March 4, 2001, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Fans are crapped on, all the time now

    by Grimly

    Marvel comics crapped on their fans base to create "new" fans. (ie. lets restart with issues at number one, and to hell with the previous 575 issues.) Movies based on books or comics are crapped on, so that "new" people (who never were fans) can even understand it. Hollywood even screws around with already established and working characters. (ie. Spiderman, change webshooters, and let's just throw Stacy away and bring in Mary Jane)and (Xmen, lets put Wolverine and Rogue together, what were they thinking??) So why not tell Star Trek fans to go blow themselves?? Seems to work for other fan bases, why not Star Trek? Hollywod says "Let's ignore the cries of being stepped on." (ie. MST3K cancelled by SciFi and Comedy Central just sitting on 8 years of episodes collecting dust.) Nothing is gonna change this philosophy. (unless the big earthquake hits and Arizona get beach front property. Any day now, any day now would be great.) So my advice to fans of anything.... get used to making people money and their product popular and then thrown aside like a used dish rag. The numbness will wear off and you will just get used to it.

  • March 5, 2001, 12:54 a.m. CST

    ST as an anthology series?

    by gatz

    Great idea. The current crew doesn't have the guts or the skill to pull it off though. They could dispose of 2/3 of those damn Trek bibles. Let writers deliver great one off stories. And if they used the model that gave Kung Fu, Colombo and (Dennis Weaver Series I'm blanking on) their start, actually test (those marketing weasels love that) a variety of scenerios. How about 3 or 4 alternating scenerios? They could get that damn Academy series out of their system. Put an X class crusier on the front line. Flash back to the "untold tales" of the Federation. And still leave room for sweeps reanimation of "our favorite characters." Of course it would take real writers and more creativity than B and B have mustered in the history of their attachment to the franchise.

  • March 5, 2001, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Jackson Archer! LOL!!!!

    by X-Girls

    WHat a retarded name. I'm sure this film will be all dark and sucky like the recent Trek shit. It was only good when it was 60s.

  • March 5, 2001, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I hope this is just a rumor

    by Bataar

    I don't want them to go "back in time". I shudder to think about it. I agree that the 24th century is worn out which is why I think Star Trek should make the jump to the 29th century and utilize the Time Ships seen in a couple Voyager episodes. That would rock.

  • March 5, 2001, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Lost Love For Star Trek

    by abner ravenwood

    I used to LOVE Star Trek and I mean LOVE it. I'd been to something like fifteen to twenty conventions. I read the novels. I religiously taped the show. Bought tons of toys, models and crap. Now, I've seen the Trek universe go into the toilet. I stopped watching DS9 and Voyager all together. They were boring and didn't really seem very Star Trek to me. (Voyager was the better of the two. It started out VERY promising. Then it tanked really fast.) I wish, just once, they could capture the spirit behind Star Trek again. This new stuff doesn't have it. We need Picard to act like Picard would -- not singing to Data. I am half tempted to say "Let the guys at Paramount marketing write new Star Trek" because, as dumb as they probably are, they could certainly do better than Berman and Company. I used to be a super fan. But now, I've come to truly believe that Trek is dead. It's a sad thing, but true.

  • March 5, 2001, 2:05 a.m. CST

    By the numbers...

    by Tailkinker

    Even though I'm pretty sure that this particular information is bogus, it does seem that this is the sort of thing we're likely to get. Trek by the numbers - stories that we've seen before, just with vaguely different characters. If they want to revive interest in the whole Trek thing, they need to do something different. Unfortunately, they need a cool bit of hardware to put on t-shirts, so that pretty much means a ship of some type. Which means, obviously, a crew, which means we get the captain, the engineer, the security chief, the medical officer (but please God, no - not the ships counselor). But, they don't want to have to worry too much about continuity, so lets go back to the 22nd century and do whatever the hell they like, putting any contradictions down to, oh, inaccurate historical documents or some such nonsense. Naah, what I'd really like to see Trek do is a series based around Starfleet Intelligence, set in the same timeframe as DS9, Voyager and TNG. The end of DS9 left the Federation in an interesting political situation, with the end of the Dominion War, uneasy alliances with the Romulans, the Cardassians blown to hell and back and the Klingon Empire dealing with a change of Chancellor. There's a lot of stuff for the Intel guys to be up to, they've got to deal with the distinct possibility of some of their number working against them (Section 31, as seen in DS9), plus they've got all the assorted characters from TNG, DS9 and (possibly) Voyager to bring in as guest stars if need be. Doesn't tie them to a ship, which probably eliminates holodeck-gone-wrong episodes. There's all sorts of potential, but the odds of seeing something of this nature are practically nil - because the current Trek bods don't mess with tried-and-tested formulas, no matter how much the fans might want them to.

  • March 5, 2001, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Just Bring back Kirk and Spock then end the series

    by DARTH VOODOO

    The whole idea of another series is a bad idea. There has been to much fucking trek on t.v. There has been 21 seasons of trek on in the last 14 years. We dont need another series. I say do a film that raps up all 4 series that keys on Kirk and Spock as well as the cast of Tng w/ cameo's of those weak ass Ds9 and Voyager programs (That have killed S.T.) and then give the series a 10 year rest. Watching S.T. without Kirk and Spock is like watching a James Bond or Indiana Jones film without James Bond or Indiana Jones being in the film. Don't these rocket scientists understand that once they got rid of these legendary characters they got rid of a big part of the audience? Who gives a shit about Odo or Harry Kim? It's the characters people like not just the name Star Trek on a series. Just check out the weak ratings and box office since Kirk and Spock left. The BOTTOM LINE IS NOBODY CARES ABOUT NEW STAR TREK. BRING BACK THE REAL THING ONE MORE TIME THEN GIVE THE SERIES A TEN YEAR REST.

  • March 5, 2001, 5:07 a.m. CST

    RIP

    by ad1771

    Let Star Trek die with whatever credability it has left. Although I like the idea of a show set at the beginning of the Federation it's clear to everybody that the amadaans stearing the franchise don't have the savvy to keep it of the rocks. Actually it looks like they're determined to wreck the whole thing. The good ship Enterprise (or Voyager) will soon have it's name changed in a flurry of magical creation to Lollipop. Captain Inane B. Smile at the helm, leading his/her instant mix crew as they battle the ho-hum-run-o-the-mill-bog-standard baddies from somewhere. We've see it all before. And before that too. No new show can rescue the greatness that WAS Star Trek. Voyager has the nasty tooth rending sugar sweet niceness of a country song belted out by Whitney with forehead ridges in the shape of a trailerpark! I say send in the twisters! As for DS9, well I didn't watch too many episodes, but I did see enough to recognise it for the confused and very dull soap suds it was. That final episode! My heart bleeds for anybody who gave so many hours over so many years for that excuse for a climax! So why in the name of God and all things holy, do I continue to watch? I have never missed an episode of Voyager. Ever! Sure I scream at the tv, hang my head, pull my hair, precious hair (hey keep your minds out of the gutter!) and cry many a "woe is me, woe is The Trek." But I watch. Star Trek - RIP

  • March 5, 2001, 6 a.m. CST

    "A life being very short, and the quiet hours of it few, we ough

    by RightWing Dude

    Sorry, but as the quote says, life is too short to spend too much time watching TREK. If only the series had been spread apart (say a 3 year span without any TREK after each series ends) then perhaps the fans wouldn't be suffering from TREK fatigue & the writers would not have so quickly exhausted their creative talents. I have faith that TREK X will be worth the price of admission but I am forever done with TREK TV. I have discovered that there are other things in life besides STAR TREK! You would be amazed at the number of people (dorks for lack of a better word) whom I have met who would not be able to function in life if there were no more TREK-kind of like the Borg when they were disconnected from the collective in BEST OF BOTH WORLDS PART II. END TREK NOW! IT'S KEVORKIAN TIME!

  • March 5, 2001, 6:03 a.m. CST

    According to TrekWeb.com ...

    by timmer33

    ... a casting agent from England claims that casting sheet is nonsense. Furthermore, he says that he received the casting information 2 weeks ago. And for those who aren't true geeks, T'Pau was the Vulcan matriarch in AMOK TIME, when Kirk and Spock had to fight to the "death."

  • March 5, 2001, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Why would anyone believe this?

    by ron2112

    There's not a single element of this I believe, and the signs are HUGE. I'm amazed that a Trek site even bothered to repeat this. As a few people have pointed out, T'Pau is an established character from TOS. That ain't gonna happen. There are the pun names that were mentioned before, but I could see them doing that as a sort of cheesy tribute (rather than an authentic tribute which would be to do a really good series). But my hoax alarm went up much earlier when I was forced to ask, "Sub-Commander?!? What the f**k is a Sub-Commander?!?" Sure, they have them in the Romulan military, but they have NEVER had a Sub-Commander in Starfleet. No such rank. This whole thing is BS from word one. Don't believe it, folks.

  • March 5, 2001, 6:56 a.m. CST

    What about Robert April?

    by Redbeard_NV

    If Berman is going to loot Star Trek lore by having T'Pau there long before her ascendency to the high priesthood of the K'olinahr discipline (and a breif, but lackluster run at the British New Wave pop scene), why are they using an unknown to pilot the Enterprise? Robert April is, by all Trek lore, the first commander of the Enterprise, followed by Christopher Pike, then James T. Kirk! Where does this Kirk/Picard wannabe come from?

  • March 5, 2001, 7:04 a.m. CST

    I can't wait...

    by Homer Jay

    ...to NOT watch this. Just another Trek spinoff that won't make a blip on my coolness radar.

  • March 5, 2001, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who Beats Star Trek

    by ___JonBoy___

    http://people.stdnet.com/jonathan/doctorwho/drwhovsstartrek.htm (Yes, Borg vs. Cybermen is covered!)

  • March 5, 2001, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Funny?

    by Juggernaut125

    I'm hoping, and praying and crossing my fingers that this story is completely and utterly false. 'Cause it covers all five senses of crapness. I've always liked star trek, although I have never worn the ears. (As my friend Rob once said.) But I can tell just by looking at this that it screams of mediocrity. I have an idea for a ST series but I know, no one will like it. A Star Trek Sit-com. Not intended to make fun of ST, but rather a basic humorous storyline set in the Star Trek universe. Something like space garbagemen that have to clean up the crap that the Federation always leave behind. Or holoprogrammers, a group of people that live ordinary lives and just happen to be actors for the parts as extras on holodecks. How's about a "West Wing-esque" Federation series. Perhaps a show about a freight smuggler that travels from world to world, doing business with the Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, etc, etc. Or the Time Cops guys from DS9. They seemed like they had a smidgeon of potential for a comic setting. There you have it. Let the flaming begin.

  • March 5, 2001, 8:05 a.m. CST

    More ranting...................

    by Dallas1701D

    i can't believe how many people think this is a real report.....................they just began preproduction two weeks ago.........do any of you actually trust what the REAL Star Trek site has to say??????...........they dont give fake info, they give real info the moment they are ready to release it, .......................in the history of trek, they know people will look any and everywhere for a tidbit like this..........Berman probably wrote it on a Starbucks Napkin and dropped it in the lap of some hipster-doofus with a laptop sipping a cappucino hoping to lead all of you on the wrong track...................really people get a F&#@ing clue and start thinking about what this article says instead of just jumping into bed with the first Trek idea that gives you a rise in your romulan ale-filled shorts

  • March 5, 2001, 8:19 a.m. CST

    This can't be right

    by kkozlo100

    I could possibly see the creative meeting, where some dipshit says that the francchise needs to "Get back to it's roots". Give me a brake. If they go that route, Set phasers for shitify. They can't see that STARFLEET ACADEMY is the way to go. Now before everyone starts complaining about it beng Star Trek 90210. Take a breath and think of how coo it would be to see the future James T's at their early formative years, with all the trials of being young. That's who their gonna need to keep this franchise from disappearing. Youth,energy and spirit,not nostalgia

  • March 5, 2001, 8:30 a.m. CST

    T'pau

    by jefcon4

    I think it's obvious that this T'pau and the high priestess from "Amok Time" are one and the same. She was ancient in the TOS ep and she had to have had a life before she became a Vulcan priestess. Spock was the first Vulcan to join starfleet. T'pau is a member of the Vulcan defense/spacefaring force, or whatever they have and is an observer/exchange officer aboard this Earth ship.Hence the non-Starfleet rank of Sub-Commander. The ship cannot be named Enterprise. Other than that the continuity is sound. It will probably suck though.

  • March 5, 2001, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Star T@%k

    by ad1771

    The word you're all trying to spell is "fuck". Spell it like you say it. F@%k is how comic strip characters say it so thats how they spell it. Hey you guys aren't cartoons are you?! For the guy with the interesting idea for a funny ha ha Trek series. I second the motion. Why not? Got to be more fun than the twitterings we've had for the past decade.

  • March 5, 2001, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Star Trek the beachtowel, Star Trek the toilet tissue...

    by Sudbo

    I do conventions, ST parties, the personalized licence plate...GR's Star Trek is about telling stories, self-exploration, holding up a mirror and looking into ourselves, thinking...and having fun. Today's Trek is about making money, merchandising and squeezing blood from stones...lots of stones. It has no heart, no soul, no future. Trek needs a 20 year hiatus starting yesterday.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Lies. All Lies!!

    by bswise

    Of course this is complete BS, but apparantly not so unbelievable. I like Voyager even if it is sub-par, and it is often sub-sub-par. But, the characters have grown on me and at east the ship is in motion unlike Deep-Snooze 9. What I miss is Picard, Data, Spock and Kirk. Yes, B&B have trashed the movie franchise with mediocre scripts and Frakes of all people in the director's chair. The milk-toasting of such operatic moments as the death of Kirk, the defeat of the Borg, first warp and first contact can only mean more dispappointment. What I've heard for ST:X is that Frakes will be back as director and that the plot will involve "Corruption in the Federation." Great, more crazy Admirals. It seems impossible to become a Starfleet Admiral without also becoming a paranoid schizophrenic. What they need is a real space opera to put them back on track, with a sense of scale, wonderment and drama. They should do the next movie as a Reunion, and have it begin with the Borg laying waiste to the hippy Shangrila planet Picard settled on in Insurrection. Now Picard is a bitter cold-hearted bastard setting out in the first trans-warp Federation ship on a suicide mission to find Voyager (which the Federation believes to have discovered a bio-weapon to use against the Borg) and attack the Borg homeworld, but not before picking up a few of the DS9 characters and Spock (he's had a vision) to boot. Meanwhile, the Voyager has crashed on a massive planet filled with he same shit that the hippie planet had, but more so, so the planet doesn't look like Yosemite but an ALIEN WORLD with dragons and massive, walking trees and such - come on, make with the special effects you cheap bastards!! So anyway, Picard finds them, the Voyager crew filled with life and super-human powers, Data's evil twin in league with the Borg Queen, people from the crew's past keep popping up on the planet, Picard has the weapon of Mass destruction, Janeway/Seven wants to find another way, Borg preparing to attack, the Doctor and Data want to be human, Q puts humanity on trial for it's crimes, yada, yada, yada, Kirk, Wessly and Ben all turn up from beyond the material plane along with everyone else everybody ever knew and lost as well as the major races of the galaxy, etc., etc., etc., the Borg is not destroyed but reverted to individuals, Q is vanquished, a goden age of one Galactic Government begins, the evolved folk help them create a new ship which is capable of Inter-glactic drive, and in the end they travel to the edge of the known universe and back to Earth, thus setting the stage for a new show not rushed into production before a goddam writers strike. Thank you veddy much.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Snotty beamed me twice last night...

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    Just another disillusioned Trekkie chiming in. Flame me if you want, but this news actually had me excited. (Despite the fact it reeks of B.S.) A calculated throwback to the Shatnerian Era is the only way to go. While you

  • March 5, 2001, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Who gives a shit.

    by SinDrome

    I don't know if anyone has noticed but the world of Star Trek has descended into a steaming pile of horse shit. I don't think there is any point in nit-picking about continuity. It is a TV. It's not real. The problem is that the franchise has been completely leached of any creativety whatsoever. I don't care about Tom and Belana's marital problems, reguardless if they take place on a space ship. That doesn't make it Science Fiction. So this new series would take place before the final frontier is conquered and has a buckaroo captian, wily engineer and Vulcan XO. Regurgitating the original series does not make me happy, it makes me physically ill. This is a tired franchise that needs to die. Star Trek wasn't good because it was Star Trek. It was good because it was great Science Fiction. It's not anymore. If you want great Science Fiction on TV watch Farscape or Lexx or X-Files or Twilight Zone reruns. Read Herbert, Heinlein, Ellison, Asimov, etc. Don't watch Star Trek. Don't try to recapture the good old days of TOS or TNG. You will only be dissapointed.

  • March 5, 2001, 12:33 p.m. CST

    it really amazes me.....

    by simian

    Well, if theres one thing Star Trek has going for/against it, as evidenced by this talkback, its that it takes the tiniest of details to turn them rabid. Here a scant summation, that isnt even confirmed, spurns paragraph after paragraph of rants. Fans go apeshit over every scant detail, and then wonder why the writers have to screw with continuity and so on. Its pretty obvious no matter what the series creators do, the fans will nitpick it to death. I dont envy the writers at all, having to put up with the bullshit fans throw at them- "You cant do that because such and such novel, on page 135, paragraph 3, said this." The problem is that any series with so much written and speculated about it, is going to have continuity gaps as big as the Grand Canyon. Most casual fans find it perfectly acceptable and either dont notice or let a error slide by, but people who chart fucking timelines using every bit of print and televised info will find something wrong NO MATTER WHAT because Star Trek mythology is this big, inconsistent, patchwork beast. And not realisiong that, and dismissing a show that hasnt even been cast, filmed, or fleshed out, is fucking ridiculous. You wonder why people say "Get a Life." Well, heres why. Passion can sometimes go a little too far, people. Cross your fingers, hope for the best, somethings you just have to accept.

  • March 5, 2001, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Regarding continuity.

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    If we were to pay strict attention to continuity, some of us would be dead right now. The Eugenics War, anyone?

  • March 5, 2001, 1:29 p.m. CST

    for everyone screaming about Section 31......................

    by Dallas1701D

    http://www.section31.com/stories/mar-2001/030401_a.htm-------------------------------------------------this link ttakes you to an article entitled "Series V Casting Fax a Fake"

  • March 5, 2001, 1:42 p.m. CST

    To Rufus

    by jefcon4

    I agree with a lot of what you say. The aspects of continuity that are apochryphal,( e.g.Eugenics War) obviously never happened, so in the current continuity it just hasn't happened to us yet, if we're going to strictly take (split infinitive) Trek as "our" future. Messing with canonical points, like having a Vulcan in Starfleet before Spock (which as I posted above, doesn't appear to be the case)is not on. If this is a real concept for series V, unlikely as it seems, then I agree with Rufus about keeping the minor cast members in the background. Keep the action focused on the main and guest stars. If the minor crew members don't like it they can transfer off the ship. It's not like they're lost in the Delta Quadrant. The TOS crew always seemed to be too busy to navel gaze. It would be nice to eliminate contrivances like the holo-deck. Shouldn't working on a starship be cool enough?

  • March 5, 2001, 3:11 p.m. CST

    rumours

    by Khamul

    If anybody actually believes that this is true they are seriously kidding themselves on. For a start this is probably one of a hundred different ideas for the new series and if it were true it doesn't sound too bad as long as they change it from Enterprise to another ship name. What I'm dreading is the rumour that the new series will be less expensive so crap SFX and might be based in Starfleet Academy, god it will be called Star Trek: Dawson's Creek. Now that would be bad. I also don't understand the hatred of the 3 Next Gen Star Treks. TNG and Voyager are miles ahead of the original Star Trek. What they do need to resolve are the crap love stories every 5 episodes, which DS9 was especially bad for, those are so boring.

  • March 5, 2001, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Blake's 7

    by Swithin

    Doctorcreep, you are so right. Blake's 7 (admittedly the sci-fi show with the worst special effects ever) was possibly the greatest space-tragedy ever. That is what it was. A Space Opera. Heroes flame, change the world a little bit, then die. And the evil empire goes on. It evolves. The villains return, or old ones rise up the ranks. You can't beat the system, but it's the suicidal attempt that counts. Dammit, that's what made B5 so good (until season 5)! The TNG and Voyager worlds were completely devoid of CONSEQUENCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND STAKE. That's why I don't give a second's worth of thought on the cast and crew. That's what made DS9 so damn good. So DS9, B5, and B7 imho were the greatest 'starship shows' ever... now, how to translate this to Trek V? Add a number to the title? Hell NO! Screw contuinity with previous Trek series, it's not like most of them accounted to much... give us characters we love WHO DIE. Give us an evil Federation! Give us a better reason to love these characters than 'well, they coast through space in a cool looking ship and press buttons once in a while, maybe get into transporter accidents, travel through time...' If the characters don't care, we don't care. Let them fight for their lives and lose. Then we care. Let them try to make something wonderful and manage it only half-way or less, then we care. Let them be already scarred, not so starry eyed, hurt and broken in parts from their lives like all of us are and *then* give them a reason to care! The Trek apotheosis of Innocence and Virtue, patron gods of the last few shows, is complete bunk. No genetic engineering? Please. On an ethical basis? That's like shooting yourself in the foot. No technological implants (excepting Picard's heart)... WTF? We're approaching that point in our *own* history, not looking ahead 200-350 odd years, and I can't imagine anyone who'd say 'no' to an instant physiological improvement. Trek isn't just bland and sugarry, it's a perfectly pointless and unscarred look on reality... so what's the point of fighting for the better? Of the Trek shows, only DS9 broke out of this mold (Thank you Piller and DS9 crew!!!), and if this next series is more of that TNG/Voyager schlock, Berman should now that we can only watch the same episode (that's what they are) for so long...

  • March 5, 2001, 3:25 p.m. CST

    always be going forward?

    by Artemis276

    the past is history but the future is so bright we should wear sunglasses, i like tng and eventually i liked ds9 and sometimes voyager gets it rite -however tng only got really good in the last 2 series and ds9 spent how many (awfully boring) episodes developing major kira and other annoying characters until finally we got to know them enough so we could laugh with them and it allowed the multilevel plots of the final series to really give star trek depth. voyager - come on -when it tries not to be a morality play and instead an action series ( when they first tried to steal something from a borg cube) it goes great not long ago a fellow trekker was excited that we would see the map room on the enterprise and both that highlight and "first contact" were great. but in insurrection we were promised more detail i.e. the captains yacht -what a let down that was eh and the movie was bad also- my point is familiarity breeds appreciation with the characters and a lot of us are in it for the owwww and ahhhh factor of the technology- so now that voyager is back in alpha quadrant or what ever combine the delta flyer the enterprise and a deep space outpost of some note

  • March 5, 2001, 4:13 p.m. CST

    T'Pau

    by superninja

    Isn't that the older Vulcan woman who appeared in Amok Time, and also ressurects Spock in ST III? Also the "Southern" engineer: a combo of Scotty and McCoy? Eh, the new alien sounds stupid as well. The more Berman & Co. screw around, the more I miss the original show.

  • March 5, 2001, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Chiming in with my brilliant idea.

    by superninja

    Why not have a Vulcan academy with a group of alien students (including human) that are sent there as part of a peace project? The main villains are the Romulans.

  • March 5, 2001, 5:20 p.m. CST

    A Cabbage With Warp Capabilities

    by Kubla_Khan

    Okay, okay. I don't know if anyone even bothers to read the comments this far down, but here goes. I have a real love/hate relationship with Trek, I have never considered myself a Trekkie, and I agree with all the comments made about the technobabble. TOS was a show your average punter could understand -- a balding, sweaty bloke visits planets trying to get laid and cause fights! Basic, easy... But this new concept is awful. All the real serious Trekkies on this page speak the truth when they pick the idea apart. Here's what I propose: set the new series in an entirely new parallel dimension where the Federation is still establishing itself and is the ENEMY trying to ruin profitable trade routes and alliances with its peaceful rhetoric and yet violently forceful measures. Our "heroes" are a band of rogue smugglers/ soldiers who, believing there is no profit in peace, do battle with the federation in a customised starship bastardised out of many different technologies (Borg, Romulan, whatever...). Before you shout "Star Wars" this ship has two captains who own the ship, each with different homeworlds, each of which are violently dedicated to fighting the Feds' attempted invasions of their respective planets. The crew are largely money-grabbing people with their own sexual and psychological agendas and in the first episode they discover a piece of technology which allows them to travel into parallel universes in order to STEAL technology that doesn't exist in theirs. It's kind of Star Wars meets Sliders and it's about CONFLICT and (I would stress) takes place mostly in the first established universe where there's FIGHTING. You can cameo regulars from the other series if you must, you can KILL them, but the point is, you turn Trek on its head and you subvert the genre a little bit. It's not that parallel universe we've seen before, either, and in this place, the Federation is a violent, bloodthirsty menace. Now, it's probably shit, and I'm sure you all will tell me so, but it's a little bit better than what I've already heard....

  • March 5, 2001, 5:31 p.m. CST

    One word to explain why TOS was great:

    by superninja

    Charisma. Roddenberry had it, Shatner had it, Nimoy had it and Kelley had it. For their time, they were incredibly innovative and provocative stories that created a whole universe unto themselves. Even if you dislike the sets, or the costumes or the characters, you can't deny their impact on pop culture.

  • March 5, 2001, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Please......

    by El Mikeo

    Please go to http://www.jehu.cjb.net, and VOTE FOR MIKE

  • March 5, 2001, 9:04 p.m. CST

    move forward, not back

    by DIRTYOLDBASTARD

    STAR TREK should be about exploration and discovery..... why o back when you could go FORWARD.... set it 300 years after DS9 and VOYAGER.... in the far far far far future? Or would tha tbreak some kinda star trek rule I never heard of? This idea doesn't sound that bad though as long as they don't cast it with a bunch of wimpy irritating jackoffs.

  • March 5, 2001, 9:53 p.m. CST

    No More Enterprising

    by fyrberd

    Basically, it appears that the studio realized they totally fucked up when they pulled TNG off the air--against the better judgement and the wishes of the cast--and are trying to milk the cash cow somemore. If they're going to come up with something this hairbrained, why don't they just write a series where Wesley Crusher is finally the Captain and completely alienate (no pun intended) the ENTIRE fan base?! A universe was created by Gene Rodenberry, and if they have any respect for his memory and the many, many fans of the series, they'll forget the whole thing. Somehow, I doubt it.

  • March 5, 2001, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Ummm... Reality Check

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Who cares if the makeup doesn't look like it did in the 60's? It's a freaking tv show. Every time they remake anything, they keep certain elements and modernize everything else. Deal. If you want to take it so seriously, think of it as William Shatner PLAYING the role of Kirk. HE'S NOT ACTUALLY KIRK! KIRK IS A CHARACTER! It's like a play, that was the best they could do to create the world the play was set in and not alienate the 60's audience (if they theoretically could imagine the more modern look and have the tools to build them). It's not that the early years of starfleet, Earth went very retro... even with technology (knobs, levers, etc.) and the Klingons mutated from hairy men with bad makeup to having a crab on their head. It's that what you saw in TOS for the best interpretation they could do in the 60's. If they do a prequel and everything looks like a more primative version of Next Generation (smaller, no seperating disks, no holodeck, etc.) more power to them. You should be able to get over that in one or two episodes. I mean, you buy that every species speaks English (or everybody caries a universal translator, I don't know which is more silly) and every race seems to be able to breed with each other and make half-human aliens who have to deal with what makes us human as story devices. Can't you let it go that there was another Enterprise with another captain (perhaps a scandalous captain stripped of his command for plowing every green female alien hooker he found. A captain who's name was erased from the history books) if they decide to go that route? It's going to suck not because of the origin, but because they don't have any more good ideas. I mean, hell it took Voyager all of one season to go for the lowest common denometer with T&A with the Borg chick.

  • March 5, 2001, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I'll say it again. Capt Robert April, George Kirk and young Jimm

    by Pepperseed

    But only, *Only* if they respect the characters. Young Kirk was a bit of an arrogant dick, at times (Would you have it any other way?). He had to learn some real hard lessons about when to think and when to "do". If they use the first Enterprise idea, then, in the name of all that's holy, please lose this fucking "Jackson Archer" (What a Low-Rent name!), and use Robert April, a soft-spoken Englishman, 110% unfuckinflappable, but without the stereotypical Stiff upper Picard, I mean Lip (Malcom Reed?!) who knows his shit and doesn't have to exude the gung-ho crapola which this Archer guy will probably be all about. If you go by the fiction and the history, April is a Starfleet legend.. Why bring in this poxy Capt Archer?. I always pictured a younger Edward Fox as Robert April, whip-smart, and courageous but amiable, as opposed to the insular Picard. April would be they Guy who taught Young Kirk to smile at his enemies... Bottom line: if they're gonna use this "Birth of the Federation" concept, do it right, don't shit all over Kirk's later achievements. By characters and stories which don't respect the history. Make it a true pre-cursor to the original series. Have him in on it from the beginning, with his mentor...

  • March 6, 2001, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Next series

    by A Yank in London

    As an avid viewer of the original Star Trek from its first episode, I must say that - while it was AMAZING for its time - neither it nor Mr. Roddenberry's "vision" or whatever should be treated as sacred. The series since then HAVE been better in any number of ways, particularly - for me - TNG. The world has moved on from 1966 (for better or worse; probably both)and Gene is DEAD, so the people trying to keep the franchise going have to make their own decisions. In the end, good writing and characters we care about are essential to any movie or TV series. We can only hope. I will say that Voyager does certainly seem to have run out of fresh ideas and, for a concept that would absolutely seem to REQUIRE constantly moving forward (or homeward in this case), there certainly seem to be alot of unnecessary stops and detours along the way. And the underdevelopment of most of the characters after all these years does contrast very unfavorably with Buffy forinstance.

  • March 6, 2001, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Haaaaaa ha haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaa

    by ad1771

    Wing nuts! William Shatners gicker has had more interesting episodes than all of Star Trek, ever! Nobody cares what Berman and co are doing to that long running poop-shoot, and why should we? It's a fucking TV show not the word of God. No wonder kids in America go ape and gun down their school mates. No really! Fucking twats. If this talk back is any indication I wouldn't be surprised if half you bunch went postal by the end of this sentence. Get it together and stop stressing out about what is pretty good entertainment after all. Thats all it is. Nothing more. It's t-e-l-e-v-i-s-i-o-n.

  • March 6, 2001, 7:35 a.m. CST

    TOS wasn't that good

    by Geekgrrl

    it was just first. I do care if Tom and Belana have marital problems, but only if they don't get solved in one hour and they impact the welfare of the rest of the crew. And what's up with solving a major depression in an hour? I also care that the captain cuts three feet of hair off, and no one even says "nice haircut." You'd think they'd notice. My point is, much of what sucks about the current Treks are because they try to be too much like TOS. Long story arcs and fully developed characters is what I say. None of this episodic crap. You can only deal with idiotic technobabble and solving problems too quickly so long. Let's see some intrigue like DS9. (only pay JMS if you're going to use his ideas)

  • March 6, 2001, 9:50 a.m. CST

    {sniff} {shiff} do you smell that?

    by B A Fett

    it smells like BULLSHIT to me.

  • March 6, 2001, 11 a.m. CST

    Outer Trek Limits

    by Nivek62

    I think Trek needs to reinvent itself or go on hiatus for a few years. Reinvention means opening the franchise up to myriad viewpoints. Recruit the best scifi writers and give them free rein. Leave the one ship/one crew approach in spacedock. Make mini-series and tv-movies. Don't stay locked in one historical era; jump around. Pre-TOS one week; 29th-century the next. A Sulu/Excelsior mini-arc... a Romulan homeworld story... Time Cops... a Peter David 'New Frontier' book... Starfleet Academy... Section 31... a post-Federation story... bring back Gary 7's organization... a forgotten war... alternate timelines (like, why did the 20th-century Khan timeline became the Starling timeline? What if humans didn't exist?)... Possibilities are endless! I like to think of it as Star Trek meets The Outer Limits. It would open new vistas to explore and could revitalize the Trek experience. Comments, anyone?

  • March 6, 2001, 11:16 a.m. CST

    The only intelligent idea from this whole pitch is...

    by LadyGwenevere

    ... to involve the ship Enterprise. But even the notion of not using the words "Star Trek" in the title is moronic - the series MUST be called "Star Trek: Enterprise" for best recognition to try and rescue the near-dead franchise. But the idea of setting it in the past is just dumb and frought with problems. Instead it should be set in the opposite direction, POST-Federation. Have a couple of characters retrieve a mothballed Enterprise model from the 25th century during a time of interstellar chaos and strife; they attempt to use the ship as the flagship of a new Federation and create order amidst chaos. Their earnest fervor as Federation-wannabes can clash with their fellow rebel types in the way that should have occurred with the Voyager and Maquis crews, having the difficulty of their realities force them to make hard decisions about their idealism, whether they stick to or abandon it in different cases. Remnants of past known and loved ST races and settings can be employed and reinvented in interesting ways (imagine if the Klingons continued to evolve at the rate which they did from TOS to the other series; and/or make them an endangered species, wipe out entire old cultures, twist them around, leave some the same, etc. etc. - there's TONS to play with). But instead I imagine we'll just get some phetid poo.

  • March 6, 2001, 1:21 p.m. CST

    according to Dark horizons...this rumor aint true...exactly

    by simian

    Well, apparently the cast list is true, except its a Romulan instead of a Vulcan, and the big fat lie was that it was a prequel show. The whole prequel thing was thrown in to throw the fans off; the new show will focus on the new Enterprise exploring space, like it should be, going back to the heart of the series.....So everyone got their panties in a twist for no good reason.

  • March 6, 2001, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Of all the ideas I've heard so far, I like Nivek62's the best.

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    It allows for the most creativity and the widest possible exploration of the Trek universe. A weekly anthology of the Trek-verse would be the bomb, especially if actual sci-fi writers were the ones coming up with the story ideas and, where they could, doing the scripts. Heck, with this format a monthly or even bi-monthly TV movie would work. There are ways to treat a show as a cash-cow and yet still give it the respect it deserves. Trouble is, would it be executed properly? After all, as others have pointed out, Voyager began with an outstanding premise as well and look what happened to that.

  • March 6, 2001, 8:34 p.m. CST

    THIS IS NOT A GOOD CONCEPT

    by Ultra Magnus

    From the get-go, this concept is sending out a red alert as big as a Dyson sphere. One experiences the same feeling as when the storyline of INSURRECTION was made public: Dread. Beguiling, nauseating dread that starts in your toes & rolls up the top of your spine. Establishing a series within an earlier timeframe only has merit if it sounds interesting. For example, take the old rumors about a "Captain Sulu" series that took flight after George Takei appeared in the VOYAGER episode "Flashback." The fan base responded positively. It was intriguing, & it could have worked. It would have served as a wonderful bridge between the end of the stories featuring the orginal cast & stories involving THE NEXT GENERATION, DS9, & VOYAGER. But, this "Pre-Original Series" idea sounds like a slopped-together rendition of that static "Starfleet: Year One" serial that appeared in some of the recent novels. Well, with all of that off my chest, I must say that I dearly hope that this is all just a trial balloon being floated by Paramount before they tell Berman to get serious about producing a good show.

  • March 7, 2001, 10:20 a.m. CST

    If this is not true...

    by chrisd

    it probably better than what the series is actually going to be. Dr. Phlox? Sounds like the plant guy on that spoof series Quark. BTW, where is it said Spock was first Vulcan in StarFleet?

  • March 7, 2001, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Give me a break!

    by chrisd

    Go over and look at the link on Trek Today: Admiral Forrest, Admiral Leonard, Commander Williams! Obviously reerences to DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, and William Shatner. If they have Jason Alexander, or anyone who remotely resembles someone doing a Kirk imitation (and Alexander only remotely resembles someone doing a Kirk imitation) play Williams, I am going to be ill. Admiral Forrest: Dammit, Archer! I'm an admiral, not a doctor!

  • March 7, 2001, 12:14 p.m. CST

    On the bright side...

    by asceticsoul

    There is a good side to this, if it's true (which, based on some reports I've seen, it ain't.) We don't want a Trek series based further in the future than "Voyager," with one possible exception five words long - Star Trek: Galaxy at War. Think of it, the Borg follow Janeway and her crew of morons back to the Alpha Quadrant en masse and all hell breaks loose, a la the Shadow-Vorlon wars in B5, everybody's shooting on sight, Kirk would be proud. But more likely we would get the next Enterprise, F (as in the show's grade), roaming around doing disconnected things week after week and sprouting EVEN MORE technobabble than we've heard in series past. No, they need to take lessons from THE best story arc the Trek univers has ever seen - the Dominion War. Either have a universal breakdown in galaxy diplomacy in the 24th - 25th century (as I said before) with parts of or entire episodes played out in the realm of diplomacy, a continuous story arc, and a center of activity that ISN'T a roaming vessel (how about an orbiting platform above Camp Kitomer?) Or we could do what's being suggested and go back to pre-Kirk days on a ship named Enterprise and do the Phantom Menace thing (wait for stories to develop exactly as we know they will). For some reason, this formula has worked well recently (the aforementioned Menace, Titanic, U571, to name a few). More likely, though, it's just going to urinate in the face of all that has been Trek before it, in some vain attempt to reclaim the original series' allure. Was Excelsior such a bad idea? Seriously, there's a concept the die-hard fans of Trek will watch (and George Takei is more ageless than Dick Clark, so that's not a problem). Maybe Berman & Co. will get this right, but I wouldn't bet the yearly bonus on it.

  • March 7, 2001, 12:29 p.m. CST

    On the bright side...

    by asceticsoul

    There is a good side to this, if it's true (which, based on some reports I've seen, it ain't.) We don't want a Trek series based further in the future than "Voyager," with one possible exception five words long - Star Trek: Galaxy at War. Think of it, the Borg follow Janeway and her crew of morons back to the Alpha Quadrant en masse and all hell breaks loose, a la the Shadow-Vorlon wars in B5, everybody's shooting on sight, Kirk would be proud. But more likely we would get the next Enterprise, F (as in the show's grade), roaming around doing disconnected things week after week and sprouting EVEN MORE technobabble than we've heard in series past. No, they need to take lessons from THE best story arc the Trek univers has ever seen - the Dominion War. Either have a universal breakdown in galaxy diplomacy in the 24th - 25th century (as I said before) with parts of or entire episodes played out in the realm of diplomacy, a continuous story arc, and a center of activity that ISN'T a roaming vessel (how about an orbiting platform above Camp Kitomer?) Or we could do what's being suggested and go back to pre-Kirk days on a ship named Enterprise and do the Phantom Menace thing (wait for stories to develop exactly as we know they will). For some reason, this formula has worked well recently (the aforementioned Menace, Titanic, U571, to name a few). More likely, though, it's just going to urinate in the face of all that has been Trek before it, in some vain attempt to reclaim the original series' allure. Was Excelsior such a bad idea? Seriously, there's a concept the die-hard fans of Trek will watch (and George Takei is more ageless than Dick Clark, so that's not a problem). Maybe Berman & Co. will get this right, but I wouldn't bet the yearly bonus on it.

  • March 8, 2001, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Spock..............

    by Dallas1701D

    The dialogue in The Menagerie (parts I & II) establish Spock as the first Vulcan in Starfleet

  • March 8, 2001, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Yes, there is a pulse!!!!!

    by KrebStar2000

    This article reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten in my state of Berman-inspiried numbness: I still care about Star Trek! I couldn't get nearly this cheesed at the brick-by-brick destruction of something I didn't care about. Do I have a better idea? In between trying to pay my mortgage and make sure my kid doesn't grow up to be the next Columbinest (Columbiner? I know I spelled something wrong) I haven't had a lot of time. Now if Paramount would like to advance me a few hundred G's and give me a few weeks....

  • March 8, 2001, 7:27 a.m. CST

    sigh...

    by vertigo93

    Ain't nothing sadder than a Trek fan in a snit.

  • March 8, 2001, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Its a Ploy People...Wake Up!

    by Elric428

    Right after watching last nights Voyager episode, UPN news talked about this so called rumor. Do any of you think that a UPN news program would be allowed to run a story on such a supposedly top secret premise? Give me a break, this has Red Herring written all over it. I still think the way to go is with Treks future rather then its past (eg. Timeship Relativity). We can only hope!

  • March 8, 2001, 5:40 p.m. CST

    If you don't like it, don't watch it.

    by Okinawa

    I would just like to say that I have been a faithfull Star Trek fan since the Motion Picture was released. I have enjoyed all the movies and I continue to enjoy Voyager. I understand that Trek has turned away from its original inspiring and thought provoking story lines to bring us more action and plot driven episodes but there are still new episodes, however few, that I feel successfully imitate Rodenberry's style. As for the upcoming series, I don't feel that a trip to the past will help Star Trek's timeline, but when the show begins here on Okinawa I'll be watching.

  • March 9, 2001, 2:50 a.m. CST

    ANTHOLOGY YES

    by Paul Allen Voiq

    GOD PLEEEEEEEEEASSSEEEE Let this one be a rumor, THE NETWORK NEEDS TO FIRE BERMAN TO SAVE TREK!!!!!!! Deep spacelefton a cliff hanger or an opening for a new show in the established trek universe. 10 Years worth of new aliens, conflicts,plotsand subplotswhy in thegalaxy would they even think of this? Oh And if its cause of Voyager Please, there is no room for the show to develop. Is it just me or could you take any episode from Voyagers current season and put it back to back with season one or two, watch them back to back and see no charactor development at all(compare to other treks) Deep space 9 opened the gates of this universe with stories from the prespective of other races,some of its best shows had not even a huuumooon around let alone a starfleet Uniform. My point is If you have watched ds9 and enjoyed it you will see what i mean i hope, if not with the exeption of season1 take a look again i know a lot of my friends stoped watching pre-worf joining the show but the Growth of all the actors was some of the best sci-fi i have ever seen. (The Dr for one ) Shit Quark practicaly had his own show within a show. The Romulins were looking good in the last few shows,The Vorta,The way good guys and bad guys kept switching sides. I can count at least 15 shows that featured all non starfleet or aliens soo To the fellow above who was thinking anthology anthologyanthologyanthologyanthology You get it Topics let see Dominion war flashbacks, section31 those wacky red squadren . The Klingons,someone said Holopromgramers, The star fleet aCADEMY ONE I ALSO THOUGHT would be a good idea (for the same resons stated above)Ashitload of one-shots with past trek figures returning How about Ro and the last few Maqueez. How about a day in the life of The paralel Universe Guest staring NANA VISITOR. And yes i think you could have gotten another whole season of ds9 to tie up loose ends. Sure if you just tune in to an episode of ST ANTHOLOGY you might not get the stories but the idea is that they want to keep the star trek fans otherwise the guys at Paramont would not put Star trek in front of the shows name. I thought The show with the Orion Syndicate and Obrien had a lot of cool elements they were on a kind of cyberpunk world( Get W,Gibson to write it)What happened to that hot Cardassian woman quark was in love with? Now that Cardasia is free (albeit in ruins) if shes alive can't she reunite with quark now? Rom the Grand Nagus that must be causeing some shit. And dammit WHAT HAPPENED TO W0RF AND TROI??? Ok i know a lot of peaple don't think they worked, fair enough but i wanna know the juicy details. What Happened to Tom Riker Was he killed by the dominion while in prison.Garrak baby!!Whats up now for ya? Where was the Fladgship of the federation during the dominion War? How has The dominion war changed internal Federation/Starfleet Policies if any(bigger guts less family)(Babylon5 shows that politics can make for good dramatic sci-fi) Does Trois mother still pine for love? Had enough? No more cans just eat the worms you got!! ANTHOLOGY Dammit thanks for your time and sorry about the spelling and grammer -Peace :)

  • March 9, 2001, 5:52 a.m. CST

    The news article is in fact TRUE...kinda

    by FreakzillaGreens

    For what it is worth, the news article is accurate. That IS the casting sheet sent to agents. But since the internet became what it is today, many casting sheets are sent out including deliberately false information (look no further than Star Wars and The Matrix sequels for proof of this trend). Changed facts, characters that don't exist and characters that do, and often fake plot points. The one thing you can count on is that start date: May 8. And by the way, the news article did leave out one teeny tiny detail. Included in the casting sheet was a statement that "Scripts are not available". So don't look for a sudden influx of Star Trek scripts circulating. And almost anyone who SAYS they have a script is lying. Only people ranked highly in the production team will have access...and I doubt they'll be talking. Gazzzizza.

  • March 9, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Paramount policy...........

    by Dallas1701D

    is set by the studio to not regard any of the ST Novels or the Animated series as "official" parts of the Trek universe, but even though I (as well as many members of the staff at Paramount) are fans of these mediums for storytelling. There are a few facts which are regarded as "official", mainly that Robert April was the first Captain of the Enterprise, and the elements of Spocks childhood that were featured in the animated series. These facts are considered true, however the framing stories featured in "the Counter-Clock Incident" (where the crew is turned into kids, ala Rascals)and "Yesteryear" (where Spock uses the Guardian of Forever to witness events from his childhood) are not considered part of true Trek lore

  • March 9, 2001, 7:46 p.m. CST

    nivek62's idea rocks, but I can't see Paramount doing it, here's

    by ARCTURUS

    I think that Paramount obviously feels they need a one hour weekly Star Trek drama with a continuous storyline in a set century, because it is cheaper and cost effective. It also allows for more episodes to be made. They apparently are still under the misguided notion that they need a Star Trek franchise to anchor their pitiful UPN network. They apparently feel they have more than enough wrestling and second-tier shows with has-been black actors. The rationale sucks but that's the way it is.

  • March 11, 2001, 6:33 a.m. CST

    You can say goodbye to Star Trek.

    by AcidJokers

    Man, Rick Berman just shows that when you think you can go as low as possible there always turns out to be a way to degrade yourself even more. Nobody cares what happend in the 22nd century. The cool thing about Star Trek is that we follow the history of Sarfleet and Earth over the course of each series. This new show sets us back. There is no way that the writters can write an episode telling about the possible doom of Earth or Vulcan because we already know that they are cool in other series taking place in the future. How many episodes do you think you could write for this show? I predict three years of airtime for this piece of crap, and maybe six years for the entire Star Trek Industry, unless Berman gets a serious partner who knows business and what people want.

  • April 3, 2001, 6:35 p.m. CST

    my 2 cents

    by acketon

    I'm only 18 and have been watching star trek since about the second season of TNG but since then have become the most dihard fan in the backwards community I live in. I have seen about 98% of the episodes from all the series and I must say the idea of a Birth of the Federation series is gonna suck. Not only will it be hard for the more normal non-fanatical people out there to understand the big jump back in time with the lower technology and less aliens, different/non-existant political ties between empires and such. But it is gonna suck with Bakula as a captain (assuming these rumors are true, which I don't think they are) Sure i loved him in quantum leap but i'd rather see someone less "popular" in the cast. It'd be like putting tom cruise or somebody as captian, won't work good. I think Berman needs to get away from the show and let some competant fans get in there and run things. We need a show that is more about humanity, more episodes about the characters, like in DS9 or some episodes of Voyager. We need a story arc like Bab 5. Something that ties everything together from beggining to end. I hate these episodes where they tell a story, the ships is about to blow or someone dies and is brought back to life just before the episode ends. yeah they have to have contracts and stuff, but even if they don't die and disappear for good, you can have other things happen that continue throughout other episodes. Everything is always "fixed" at the end of an episode, that needs to be changed. I'm just watching DS9 again and it's to 3-4 episodes that all tie together real tight when Jadzia dies and the wormhole disapears, it's very good, having missed it before, i was on the edge of my seat each day. Another thing I don't like. We never really got to see earth or the federation in the 24th cent. It was alway "the federation" always refereneced to but never seen/explained/described/ or shown. We havn't really scene what earth, or mars is like or any other federation planet. It'd be great to see how humanity has/could develop. I mean that's what I've always thought star trek was. A possible future. A place we could all hope we could reach for as a species. But we don't see it. instead we see episode after episode where the ship is gonna blow up cause of the borg or something else. those episodes are good, but how many times can voyager outfight/outmanuver a borg cube? I mean come on. be realistic. On one hand they make the borg out to be real evil and powerful, and yet one single starship passes safely through there space? come on Rick!! I mean, go watch the best of both worlds!! 39 starships lost in one battle!! thats the borg I knew. I think these are all rumors, i don't believe any of it, but I certainly hope none of it is true, because if it is, we "trekkers" or "trekkies" what ever the hell we're called are a dieing race.

  • April 28, 2001, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I loved TOS, but I have to say..

    by Derian

    It went downhill from there. The only good thing to come out of ST in years was "The Undiscovered Country." There's only one sci-fi universe that holds my attention now. "Things were so much easier on Babylon 5" - Garibaldi