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The Latest Star Wars Episode 2 Title Rumor

Hey folks, Harry here. In September of 1998 the first breaking of the EPISODE 1 title took place 8 months ahead of time. How long Lucasfilm had PHANTOM MENACE as the title prior to being broken online is still unknown to me, but right now we're about 15 months away from Episode 2 hitting theaters. It seems to me that if they had the title in place, they would have unveiled it at Toy Fair last week, but the below "RUMOR" purports to come from someone in the realm of Sales Reps. I know that this scoop came from a non-anonymous email source... No instant sign-up job and wasn't forwarded through weird means. I've already begun to email various folks I know, but the mere fact I hadn't heard this "RUMORED" title before seems to mean my sources hadn't heard it yet either, which means either it is BOGUS or that highly secretive materials were inadvertantly left visible for a short period of time and this particular Baron managed to come across them in that brief period. This is pure RUMOR... I back it up, not at all, I put it up in the hopes that some of the other Star Wars Rumor sites can begin to hear from their sources as well. I like this title. I think that it has a very old fashioned Chapter Play Serial Style Title to it. But I wonder if Lucas would follow THE Phantom Menace with THE Shadow Falls... Would he put two THE titles in a row? I don't know... and I suspect that 99.9999% of you don't either. But you 6 or 7 people out there that do know... We want to hear. Remember... this is just a RUMOR...

Dear Harry,

Think this may be news to Star Wars fans.

As a sales rep on a recent business visit to Fox Studios I spotted various source materials, photos etc. intended to be used for promotion covering a variety of forthcoming films.

Several pieces caught my my eye and were stamped in the corner with the title:

"Star Wars Episode 2: The Shadow Falls".

Materials included the familiar 'Star Wars' font, photographs of main cast members, Artoo-Detoo flying!? And some fantastic slug like robot designs.

Hope this is of interest. Not seen this title anywhere else.

Call me 'The Baron.'

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  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:40 p.m. CST

    what shadow?

    by phatjacck

    when is it falling?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The REAL title of SW: Ep 2 will be "THE TWO TOWERS"

    by Bregalad_

    After all, Uncle George has to keep up the tradition of stealing things from Tolkien.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by Ghibli-San

    I highly doubt this is the title. But an interesting take on what it could be, definetely as unexpected as The Phantom Menace. When that title was announced, I couldn't believe it was going to be the actual title (as I still can't believe they used it!) Anyways, Just wait until this September, we'll have the real title then. Lucas will do the exact same thing as he did for Ep. 1, so expect a trailer in November this year also. P.S. Go get the Clerks Uncensored DVD its fun l8er

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I get your point...

    by SnarlingCur

    about the "THE" titles in a row,...but this still makes a great title. Much , much better than The Phantom Menace.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:46 p.m. CST

    the question now is...

    by LarsII

    where the shadow fell and why?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:53 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace was such a terrible choice...

    by gsolo

    Should have known what was coming. Actually, Return of the Jedi is pretty beat too. Of all the name changes and modifications, TPM should be his priority.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Oh Christ! Here we go again...

    by Tarkas

    I haven't heard so much controversy about a movie since Globochem blew up the moon! hehe...No but seriously in ALL SERIOUSNESS...George Lucas IS A HACK, and J.R.R. Tolkien IS LONG WINDED AS HELL! There's no reason why the two camps (SW and LOTR for you short-form people) couldn't BOTH be WRONG for once. Let's all agree we're morons and get on with life, the universe and everything!!! Tera Delu!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by FSGeek

    I know this is off topic, but how in the bloody hell is Crispin Glover winning Best Performance in the AICN Awards? Ellen Burstyn gave one of the greatest performances in the history of film. And what about Del Toro? How is it possible that Crispin is getting more votes then both Burstyn and Del Toro COMBINED? I smell vote fraud, and I live in FL, so I know the smell well...

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:08 p.m. CST

    This calls for a Freudian Response

    by Grayle

    There is much anger in you, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...suffering... Tell me about, your mother :)

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: Rise of the Empire............

    by Uncle Jay

    I think George Lucas is a genius, but he's also an idiot, not to mention, asshole. If he had any form of a brain, he would choose the title above!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2: Milking the Public

    by Kirk's Toupee

    I'd say that's the working title....or Screwing the Fan Base....either one.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:18 p.m. CST

    This is not the title.

    by Count Dookula

    The reason: is still available for registration. Lucasfilm would have coverd it's a$$ better.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:20 p.m. CST

    This is not the title.

    by Count Dookula

    The reason: is still available for registration. Lucasfilm would have coverd it's a$$ better.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:21 p.m. CST

    This is not the title.

    by Count Dookula

    The reason: is still available for registration. Lucasfilm would have coverd it's a$$ better.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:27 p.m. CST

    TPM meaning #4

    by Autolycus33

    Just thought i'd include in the above listings of meanings behind the TPM title would be the one underlying that the jedi are also menaces. A while back in some talkback there was a reference to this concept from an article at It adds an entirely new, more intelligent spin on the saga, whether george meant it or not who knows, but in all honesty in the greatest works of art did the authors really intend all that's discovered? I mean was dickins a genius?...if i were paid by the word for writing i'd probably add just as much filler in novels only later be considered "water imagery". But for those of you who have lost their faith behind the saga because of TPM try and find this article and see how perfectly it fits in. (please gods don't let this spur an argument over whether this movie was good)

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The Shadow Falls?

    by Bad Guy

    Sounds like the sequel to a bad Alec Baldwin movie. (heh heh heh) "Only Lucas knows for sure."

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Episode 2: Funeral for a Franchise

    by Greased_Wizard

    It's gonna suck.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

    by not_a_jedi_yet

    Like Lucas and Fox wouldn't have a fake name stamped on everything to throw people off and reveal sources. "Blue Harvest" anyone? "Evil beyond imagination" my ass.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:38 p.m. CST

    My super-duper secret source inside Lucasfilm says the title is:

    by superninja

    Episode II: Smell the Glove.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Could he? Would he?

    by Akambe

    "...But I wonder if Lucas would follow THE Phantom Menace with THE Shadow Falls... Would he put to[sic] THE titles in a row?" Gee, gosh, would George dare do something so BRAZEN? Sheeesh, Harry, you're talking about the man who lost half his audience at the confusing opening text creep of TPM. Gee, would George do something as silly as base the most anticipated sequel on some convoluted TRADE DISPUTE? Gosh, would George try for the first "fully realized" digital character in a live-action movie, and have it turn out as bad as Jar-Jar did? Golly, would George be silly enough to make the starships and other technologies in a PREQUEL look far, far more advanced than the technologies represented in movies that supposedly took place decades later? Hmmm, shucks, shame on me for second-guessing George's talent. At least TPM showed us why George stayed away from directing for so long. He was just afraid some kid would finally stand up & scream, "HEY! THE EMPORER HAS NO CLOTHES!"

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Now its registered...

    by Sarah

    I love it; the minute someone says that the domain is not registered, some one else has to run out and register it! I couldn't through to see who bothered... is still available. Let the rumors begin!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by MRfanboy

    Its getting pretty boring reading everyones rants about star wars. You losers take everything so personal about star wars and George Lucas. Whether you loved or hated TPM, is this movie and story so important that people get worked up into an Islamic Gihad fervor about it. I dont care what episodes 2 name is along as its a good movie. Its only a movie and maybe some of you guys should get a life.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    If the rumors are true, I think GL has hit on the mark with this title. "The Shadow Falls" could be construed in so many different ways: 1. The "shadow" of a large turd falling from the sky into theatres Memorial Day of 2002. 2. Daylight breaking on just what a hack the pudgy toy-peddler has become, obscured at first by the "shadow" of hype. 3. The "shadow" cast by GL's ever-widening ass. 4. The art of it all "shadowed" by his corporate whoredom. 5. The "shadow" of Walt Disney under which he will always lay. Let's face it, Uncle Walt was at least one prolific motherfucker. One could go on and on. Fanboys: attack!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:46 p.m. CST

    "The Shadow Falls"

    by Brikar99

    The "shadow" they are referring to is the shadow of a plotline that Lucas has come up with for the new quote-unquote "Star Wars" film. "Phantom" was the same thing. I hope others pick up on this, because "Phantom Menace" was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And I see a lot of bad movies.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Better titles.

    by Sideblaster Ted

    Episode II:Stink Finger Episode II:Kiddie Porn Ring Episode II:Proper Fuct Episode II:Skid Marks Episode II:Nobody Cares At All!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Is Jackie Chan in this movie?

    by Skeletron

    I know this guy who knows a guy, who in turn knows a guy who partied with a guy who got drunk with a guy who went to school with Hayden Whats his face, you know the dude who's playin Anakin Vader, and well as far as I know, he is a big geek, GEEK. Hey I wanted the role of Darth Skywookie, but I wasn't at the right place at the right time. But then I heard that Shaft was gonna be in the Episode Sequel Prequel and I was like, I can dig it. Does he get to workshop his foot up someone's ass? What am I talking about? STAR WARS EPISODE 2: MUPPETS FROM SPACE.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Why try to hide the true nature of this "important" movie

    by JonQuixote

    Call it Episode II: a two-hour video game commercial, and there'll still be line-ups around the block.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 2:56 p.m. CST

    If a shadow falls in the forest...

    by All Thumbs

    ...and no one is around to hear, does it make a sound?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Episode II: How about you people shut the hell up

    by Prime

    Whine Whine wHine, thats all you guys do, geez, why not let the Lucas come up with his own damn name since HE BLOODY STARTED THE FRANCHISE IN THE FIRST BLOODY PLACE and ya'll stop bitchin about it. I swear, i know you caint please everyone but come on, all you do is WHINE WHINE WHINE, and what the hell, dont judge a book by its cover, and besides, like ya'll are really gonna go, "Oh he named it whatever and didnt use my cool idea, fuck him and his movie" , and so if you thought episode I was bad, shut up and dont see damn episode instead of WHINE WHINE WHINE, geez Prime

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by Prime

    Hey HARRY IS FAT, good call, that reprimand was better than mine, Prime

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I still like "Rise of the Empire".

    by Shrevie

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by TheDrunkenJedi

    Apparently, my highly secret underground sources have revieled that ***EXTRA SPOILER WARNING*** most of the footage they've filmed is out of focus and therefore unusable!!!!! Oh my God!! The trouble is that everyone at Lucasfilm is so busy grovelling before George, that no one says 'Wait a minute George, I think this bit is pretty shit actually - why don't we...'. Probably becasue they'd get fired. I believe that EPII is going to be better than EPI, and that Lucasfilm have tried to gauge the reaction they got from TPM but at the moment ROLL ON CHRISTMAS!!!! 'Mashter, i've losht my lightshaber in a bar shomewhere'

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:10 p.m. CST

    by Znosaro

    I thought it was gonna be "The Order of the Phoenix." Or is that the title of a worth while sequel?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:14 p.m. CST

    In Agreement

    by Miss Aura

    I like the title, but I agree with COUNT DOOKULA. George Lucas and Lucasfilm would cover their ass on this. Money Grabbers are always greedy and will never miss a trick to make extra dough e.g. The hype surrounding the crap that was TPM.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Star Wars - Episode II: Veil of the Sith

    by Psyclops

    That is all.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:29 p.m. CST

    It's either gonna be BLUE HARVEST or

    by Darth TJ Mackey

    "SW EP II: Electric Boogaloo". Or perhaps just a series of symbols left up to the interpretation of AICN talkbackers, much like the "Led Zep IV" LP.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:36 p.m. CST

    episode II : hatemongers

    by OOBE

    ...hey, all this harsh criticism serves a genuine keep monsieur Lucas on his toes. I am sure he'll have suffered from his own menace - talkbackers!!! this has to work.....our respect has been tattered....we neeed this to work!!!.......then again...he did that fuckin Ewok thing....BASTARD!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:36 p.m. CST

    robots in disguise

    by skiprat2000

    forget star wars ... it's shit anyway ..... why is it still gonna be 15 months before anyone sees it?? what type of movie takes this amount of time to make? one in serious need of a re-write? when are we gonna see a Transformers movie? oh yeah, good call HarryisFat!! VIN DIESEL FOR SILVER SURFER!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:49 p.m. CST

    by TC-14

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:53 p.m. CST

    you lucas-bashers suck!!!!!!!!!..........

    by TC-14

    will you all stop pissing on Lucas - he created the fukking thing for christs sake!!!!For half of you star wars is your life - what would your life be without Lucas? it's his creation , it's a sad state of affairs when the fans begin to think that the franchise is their property. I'd like to see any of you guys come up with a movie one tenth as good as any of the star wars movies.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 3:58 p.m. CST

    "The Shadow Falls"...gee, almost as many people could pull that

    by Critical Bill

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    Did you hear that boys? Harry is Fat is cruising the board looking for some lovin' from the roundboys in attendance. All lard-asses step right up for some Jedi Love courtesy of Fanboy Numero Uno, Harry is Fat! He's on the prowl and looking to score himself a fat fag or two.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Darth's Original Name Was Gonna Be Ralph Nader....

    by Kubla_Khan

    Contrary to everything you have heard, Star Wars 2 will feature a young Lando on the streets and in the hood on his home planet, and will be called "The Empire Smokes Crack". Episode 3 sees Ewan's beard expanding to ridiculous lengths and (obviously) him being mistaken for a Wookie and meeting Chewie's Dad. It will be called (inexplicably) "Episode 3:The Rise And Fall Of The Shadow Of The Empire's Menace (Obi-Wan's Big Adventure)". At least, that's what I heard...

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah and I'm sure everyone was thinking "Return Of The Jedi" was

    by IAmLegolas


  • Feb. 20, 2001, 4:26 p.m. CST

    FSGeek: Crispin Glover _is_ fraud

    by EmperorCaligula

    You refer to the poll on main page. One can wonder. Then, take a look at the first poll, which was posted as an article, and the link is still on front page, top left. Crispin Glover got 50% of all the votes. I e-mailed harry to let him know some idiot was really messing with the polls, and that in fact it seems that you can vote as many times as you want. At least it works for me and it worked for the moron who voted for this dude.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5 p.m. CST

    One title you people missed and I don't know why...

    by Monkey_King

    This title has been floating around for the past 4-5 months. Don't know if it is real or not, but it sounds pretty 'dead on' with what we've been hearing of the plot and such. Get this, the title, er subtitle is/could possibly be...... STAR WARS-EPISODE II: INSTRUMENTS OF DARKNESS. Draw your own conclusions.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2: another holiday special

    by SaintX99

    Starring Bea Arthur, Estelle Getty, Jar Jar Binks, Elmo, and Mady Pantakin as Flooty, George Lucas' dancing crackpipe, This movie will hit CBS on thanksgiving, costing 2 million dollars, and having some great musical sequences as Jar Jar Binks(old, dubbed footage) must race home to get to his family for festivus. Featuring Performances by LeeAnn Rimes and Elton John. Don't believe me about that god awful and real holiday nightmare? look at this site

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Of course R2 was flying...this is why..

    by 0007

    Do you not remember the cut scene from Phantom Menace where R2 almost falls off the side of a building on Coruscant, but is saved when he fires up his booster jets in his legs? If you are a toy sales rep as you claim, you would have known this long ago since the R2 that was released in '99 came with booster jet spring action! Surprise Surprise! Why should that have been was established long ago he had that capability...But thanks for leaking the title. Much praise to you (If it is true)!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2: Their first assignment.

    by Pupkin

    Then we could have, 3: Back in training.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:35 p.m. CST

    lucas SUCKS

    by huggy bear

    who are these losers who believe in that king of all geeks lucas? tpm sucked beyond all comprehension- no story or characters at all.i could make a better movie on the crapper .star wars is dead-give it a rest you shatner said"get a life"go watch fight club & see a real movie,not some bs from some old virgin who lives by himself on a wonder lucas & michael jackson are so tight.freaks whose time has passed them by.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by RAVAGE

    Isn't that what you fat fucks should be saying. I agree with titaniumetched and Harry is Fat you guys are ridiculous. Have you forgot that these movies aren't geared for you they are for children who are 8 years old or for people who remember what it was like to be a kid and let imagination take us to places or to people that don't exist you people take something that is fun and ruin it.I'll agree the merchandising has gotten out of hand but shit so has this stupid obsession with destroying everything that comes out lately that has Star Wars stamped to it.I hope that The Hobbit sucks so bad that Battlefield Earth makes more money than it and I got news for you it's gonna suck for one thing New Line made it and another New Line made it.I love getting on here and making fun of you stupid fucksticks here's a title for you "EPISODE II:Get out of your moms basement you 27year old dilrod and get a job or a girlfriend and put that Dungens & Dragons shit away." There is that a good enough title for you. I also bet that you guys are going to be camped out taking up tickets from people that just want to be entertained. It's people like you that make me wish George would stopped at Jedi because you guys can lick my taint. DECEPTICONS FOREVER HA-HA

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    For what it's worth...

    by odysseus

    ...I find RISE OF THE EMPIRE to be the only title being bandied about that has the requisite "epic feel" worthy of a Star Wars film. That said, I have to add: absolutely nothing I've heard or seen so far about Episode II is getting me the least bit excited. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan -- that is, until The Phantom Movie sucked all the wind out of my sails. And now, everything I'm seeing and hearing about Ep. II just sounds like more of the same. (I think the thing that has "depressed" me most is that tacky image of Anakin in the 80s New Wave-style bar.) On the one hand, I know they're "just movies" -- but Star Wars is also a myth for our times. Myths aren't meant to be merchandised -- they're meant to be dreamed about and discussed. (Halfway through Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, I turned to my wife and said, "THIS is how Episode I was supposed to make me feel!") Here's hoping that this time around, George & co. surprises us skeptics and gives us something that truly resonates.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:03 p.m. CST

    The Real Title is...

    by Motherbrain

    Grab this fellas: The real title doesn't matter because you know for a fact that every single one of you dickheads are going to standing in line with the rest of us. In fact im sure some of you jackasses are dusting off the old Obi-Wan robes as we speak. See you there. I'll be the guy in the jeans giving you the finger.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Episode II : A Gungan Ate My Balls

    by GornPirate

    That Frogman Bastad!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Odysseus is right

    by JackLint

    NOTHING that I have seen or heard about Ep II makes me even the least bit excited. I am honestly not looking forward to it at all. I mean, i will see it but there are lots of other movies that DO invoke anticipation. (LOTR goes without saying). But this hum-drum feeling about Ep.II may pay off in the end when it turns out to be really really awesome-and it'll blow us away. It could go either way, but right now I dont care at all. And I think The Phantom Menace was a really stupid title (as well as a stupid movie). Shadow falls is generic and uncreative, but its simple and it works.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Dude.. Where's My Tie-Fighter?

    by Pepperseed

    That wacky future dark lord goes out on the town to partay...hilarity ensues.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II: All Your Base Are Belong To Us

    by Gato2112

    There will be a new enemy: Darth Zig. He will be there for great justice. Anakin will not survive, make your time.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:44 p.m. CST

    episode 2 top secret tiltle exposed

    by HughGRection

    I just saw a report on episodeX that Lucas has just had a press conference revealing the name of the new movie Its called" Episode II: Deez Nutz" and then Lucas proceeded to explain that thats what all you Homofatass I hate everything Warez kiddie porn downloading losers can suck on.Later Biatch

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Lucas straight to Video

    by gboybama

    You heard it here first. Episode II will be released in a special holiday giftpack with Leprechaun 6: Barrio Beast "N" 'da 'Hood:The Special Edition. Straight to video Baby!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Episode II: The one before Episode III and after Episode I

    by AurelianoBuendia

    You know what? Lucas probably loves the title, "Rise of the Empire".. But I'll be he'll never use it. He's too damn proud to use something that somebody else though of. Nothing that has been speculated ever comes out to be true. He probably changes the whole thing after he hears somebody has though of something similar to what he had in mind. Who knows.? Maybe OB1 really was supposed to be a clone. In his mind he was probably like: "F*%k, I can't use that anymore... somebody else broke it before I wrote it!".. I mean.. the 6 episodes supposedly will be linked by curious little nunaces.. but nobody has figured out any.. they all have to be "revealed"..

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:58 p.m. CST

    The Three Stooge's

    by Dairanger

    Ravage, "harry is fat", and whatever the hell the other one's name was.... Well, I've got a couple of thing's to say. One, my personal life is none of your business, though if you must ask, I do have my own place and I'm 24. Oh, and the only reason the comic book character was created was because some people thought the show sucked. What a crime. And I didn't know you could tell if people were fat or not from the way they typed. Two, This forum is for voicing your opinon's on movies. If you have a problem because some people thought star wars sucked, well too bad. You think LOTR sucks, and I have no problem with that. I don't agree, but that's just my opinon. I'm not going to call you a basement-dwelling geek when I don't even know you. Final, why are you even here? If you're so better than us, why don't you go to a board where these so-called "normal" people go? Well, whatever. Goodbye.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 6:59 p.m. CST

    To hell with all of you, I like it!

    by Regis Travolta

    Dear George: Just go with it now that it's circulating. Plus you've already printed up all of those expensive promotional packets so you're stuck with it. Sincerely, Regis "Who wants to be a bloated jerky movie star" Travolta, your friend in film.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 7:03 p.m. CST

    'Episode 2: Return of the celebrity cameo'

    by skiprat2000

    odysseus and heckabus .... you've gotta be the same guy right? whoever was saying they'd like to see any of us make a film half as good or whatever ... give me the same amount of money georgie-peorgie is spending on Episode 2 and I'll make you TWENTY films which are a THOUSAND times better. with my eyes shut. and my mouth full of cotton wool. oh yeah ... Benny Hill for Yoda! Why use a puppet? Just dig up Benny!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 7:08 p.m. CST

    A bit off topic, but... (LOTR SPOILERS)

    by Randall Flagg

    I was reading The Two Towers today and it struck me... has anyone else noticed the similarities between the characters of Gollum and Anakin? (obviously the person above who mentioned Lucas stealing from Tolkien did) Chronology aside, look - Was once a fairly decent being, twisted by a seductive evil beyond his control Killed a close friend under direct influence of that evil (Deagol, Obi-Wan) Ironically, becoming evil was neccesary to further the cause of good (Vader killing Palpatine, Gollum unwittingly destroying the ring by trying to get it back) And of course, the most obvious one, fell into a molten pit (though it didn't kill Anakin) Any more that I'm missing?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 7:15 p.m. CST

    remember "REVENGE OF THE JEDI"


    This is obviously not going to be the final title for EP.II. Most likely it is Lucas's way of preventing pirated forms of his merchandise from leaking out to the public before the movie is released. He did the same thing with ROTJ.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Episode II : 3 Jedi and a Princess

    by SparkleB4USpeak

    Obi-Wan,Mace Windu,Anakin and Amadalia all spend several light years on a spaceship. Zany antics ensue as neat freak Obi-Wan clashes with slobby Mace and Amadalia falls in love with Anakin, while he secretly dabbles in the dark side.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by Bad Guy

    What a bunch of cry baby whiners. Who cares what it's called? Those of you who hated TPM, do us a favor and stay home when Episode II opens. Let the fans who do like Star Wars, including TPM, enjoy this film without your constant whining. Though I know you won't do that because you feel it's cool to bash TPM, you'll still go on opening day and nit-pick it to death. Just look at how many of you who say you hate Lucas and/or TPM, still felt the need to post your opinions and complain about a flick that isn't even out yet. Here's an idea, why don't you SW bashers go watch your copies of The Matrix (overrated), and masturbate over the reeeaalllyyy cool effects. Didn't the Lost in Space flick use that same effect several months before Matrix even came out?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Well, it doesn't beat "The Phantom Anus"

    by Chen_San!

    'Nuff said, "Limited Twat" is on the hi-fi

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Ep2: I Was a Teenage Sith Lord

    by mattm42

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 8:49 p.m. CST

    It will be called Episode II - We'll know in 8 months prior

    by Subject Zero

    I'll wait til GL says what the title is. And I really liked RotJ and it's not that ESB was more "cerebral" it had to be darker and a lot more complicated because it WAS the middle act. Look up your joseph campbell. RotJ had to be much lighter because they get out of the perverbial pickle. I DO wish they had a better director for it though because I thought the direction was much more formulaic. And yes, I liked the Ewoks and I don't mind Jar Jar because they aren't meant for me, they're meant for my 8 year old cousin which I took to see TPM. And just for posterity, I'm 20, 5'9", 125 lbs and I'm going to call my girlfriend now. (Just setting that up for Harry is Fat) :P

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Sorry fellow geeks, but this will be a long one....

    by AlexanderDeLarge

    A LOOK AT THE PAST, PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE : EPISODE II By Alexander DeLarge Since I will be writing a few exclusive articles about Star Wars Episode II in the following weeks, I thought it would be good if I state my feelings on Episode I so you more or less know where I

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: Who Ate My Pizza?

    by Pizza The Hut

    That will be the title. Now shut up!! Boshuda.

  • Ye'all smoki'n Crack, I Like the Shadow falls name.....lay off the crack pipe beotch!!! -jd

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 9:23 p.m. CST

    More Possible Titles

    by O'Brien


  • Thats right, go to and cheak it out, That say that Harry Potter: And The Order of The Phoenix Wont be out till 2002 thoe. But Book stors are saying this summer!!! I want answers!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Off The Subject (As Usual)

    by O'Brien

    Remember the creepy little bastard in the Greedo-mask who hops up and down and cheers on Jake Lloyd during the pod-racing scene? Why isn't George Lucas doing a trilogy of absurdly overpriced films about that guy? I know I'd be chompin' at the bit for a Kieslowski-style cycle of films exploring the growth and development of one of the ugliest beings in the universe... his childhood... his friendship with overly unctuous bad child actors-cum-intergalactic terrormongers... those hidden years as a barely pubescent towel boy in the Mos Eisley bathhouses... his initiation into the infamous spacemob run by Jabba the Hut... and the third film could end as he realizes the true meaning of a happy, productive, and meaningful life just before entering the bar to chat aimiably with that guy Solo they keep talking about... instant classic! Guaranteed Oscars for Lucas! Total pricetag for the trilogy: $675 mil.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Feel My Force kchinnnnnnnnnng (LightSaber Noise) P.s Harry Is T

    by Burger-Pimp

  • I am a bitch, by the way, but not a fanboy thank you. I didn't like THE MATRIX either. We're all individuals with opinions here, ZeroCorpse, and just 'cause you appear to be defending a giant crapfest like EPISODE I doesn't make me want to classify you in an offensively generalizing fashion. Oh, sure, the fact that you might like EPISODE I may make me SUSPECT that you suffer from severe lack of taste and critical judgment, but I'm sure you have reasonable and defensible opinions on OTHER topics, really I am!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 9:52 p.m. CST

    the _shadow_ falls.. erm, didn't they do this in Babylon 5?

    by Amy Chasing

    I _really_ hope Ep.2 doesn't go anywhere near the word "shadow". Yes the Sith are dark lords. They dress in black. They're evil. Do we really need to take another adjective to make the point? Shadow(s) are synonymous with Babylon 5, and B5 put the word to it's best use. Star Wars can't make the word it's own (like they tried once to own the word Star) so they shouldn't try. How about.. Star Wars: Episode 2: The sub-title after the sub-title ..or: Dude, where's my Schwartz?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 9:52 p.m. CST

    hating people who hate

    by X-Girls

    that's fine for racism. but who cares if somebody wants to ramble about nothing of interest to you? That's what these posts are for. just skip the post. we've established a lot of this before so if you hate Lucas, just make a banner and stickers and kick up your heels.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:10 p.m. CST

    THIS JUST IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Senor Askew

    Confirmed title of Episode III: Star Wars Episode III: George Lucas' Career Is Over

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II - Crouching Jar-Jar, Hidden Wookie

    by age

    no comments

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II - Shadow Of The Empire

    by age

    no comments

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II - O Jar-Jar, Where Art Thou

    by age

    no comments

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:22 p.m. CST

    No Seriously...

    by age

    Wouldn't it make more sense from a marketing perspective to name this chapter "A New Hope"?

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Maybe there all right

    by Kingdopy

    Wouldn't it be funny to find out that evey title that we've heard so far was right. Think, George Lucas makes a new name, but somehow it gets out to everyone. So, he keeps deciding to rename the movie. And that's where all thses titles keep coming from. Now most likely, I'm wrong, but it would be funny if I was right. Well, nevermind. I love Star Wars, but for now, I think I'll go play Final Fantasy 3.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Pointless Arguments


    The last time I checked, this was a site devoted to relaying movie news to people on the internet. Why do you people always argue or coment on 3 specific things: 1. Episode one sucked- Absolutely not true. This was the best sci-fi film of 1999. Do not get me wrong, The Matrix was one brilliant piece of film. I am eagerly awaiting parts two and three, but not as much as Episode two and three. 2. David Finchner is God-What the fuck! He made one good film: Seven. That was it! Are we forgeting Alien 3? What a FUCKING blow job that movie was. He could never EVER EVER make a Star Wwars film! Contrary to what some believe. Not in a billion years! Fight Club was good, but the ending? THE ENDING! At that point I wished I had shot myself in the mouth. 3.Harry is fat- This is a movie news site!!!!! For the love of god talk about upcoming movie news! Not Harry being fat. Who cares!!! Harry is a smart guy. I have nothing against free speech, but the whole Episode 1 debate is getting really old. Episode one was a great film. This is coming from an 18 year old who has nothing but Star Wars memorabilia in his room.(except for the four original Batman posters) So I do love the series quite a bit.( I also have all three versions of the original trilogy)I have always been a fan of the series. And as for LOTR, I want to see it, I really do, but this will never be like Star Wars. The movies won't bomb, but there is no way on Gods green earth, that it will make the amount of money(and impaact) the Star Wars Saga has made. Come one, Its being directed by the guy who made The Frightners. Do you think he can make three masterpieces of film out of the book series. I think you are all kidding yourselves just a tad too much. Thats all for now, part two of my speech, is coming soon.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Episode II plot summary

    by cambalik

    Here it is: Enjoy. And NO, NOT sirsteveSguide. Drop the"s".

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is not for 8 year olds

    by superninja

    It's for everybody. It's called "family entertainment". So please be done with that tired arguement already.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:04 p.m. CST

    It's horrible -- yet you can't look away!

    by Gul Shah

    I guarantee every single one of you Lucas bashers will run out and see this movie, thereby adding to GL's already inflated pocketbook and ego. Oh, and while you're all at it, why not bitch about his hair too! I watched "Hearts of Darkness: a Filmmaker's Apocalypse" the other day, and I must say, I'd forgotten what an amazingly bad pompadour he's got... He looks like P

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Good God, get over yourselves.

    by superninja

    Some of you need to learn to respect other people's opinions. If it doesn't change your own, then WHY DO YOU CARE? People will still see the movies, hoping for another great SW film. Some of you already have it, but the rest of us are waiting. I'm willing to have an intelligent conversation at any time about why I didn't like the Phantom Menace, or any other movie for that matter. This forum is a great opportunity to have dialogue with other film fans, and some of you are so in love with yourselves that you don't bother to use it. Shame. But then I'll admit to getting a charge from the violent nature of a Star Wars Talkback, so I'm a bit of a hypocrite. Still, I would rather have a discussion on the film than a name-calling session. Sleazy_G, THE COMEDIAN, thank you for taking the time to address the idiot who's throwing around racist slander. BAN HIM ALREADY.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Quetzalcoatl

    Harry is FAT! Harry is FAT! OMG, Harry is SOO fat! But I'm not. You all suck and you should shut up geeks, you are geeks fat geeks who are geeks and The Phantom Menace RULZ you shouldn't make fun of Lucas he is better than you I am better than you too I will RAVAGE the talkbacks with my illiterate run-on sentences because I am the best and Harry is FAT! LUCAS IS BEYOND REPROACH! I don't know what reproach means but he is SO beyond it! The title doesn't suck u all suck and u r fat! The title is great and any title would be great you should stop whining in the basement! And ya know what's Prime material? When you call people FAT! Hahaha, fatty fatty FAT FAT FAT! You are SO fat but I'm not fat! You are fat! Harry is fat! I'm not fat! I'm not fat! I'm not fat! P.S... TPM rules and Fight Club sucks and Spielberg is the best ever!

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II: The One Right Before Anakin Becomes Darth

    by Tall_Boy

    quite the title, eh? And "THE PHANTOM MENACE" was a GREAT title, BTW. . .

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Difficult to see always in motion the future?

    by RAVAGE

    I just want to say that I was angry earlier and I said some things that were not nice about some of the critics on here listen if you don't care for the way Star Wars is heading thats your right I called you fat no sex getting dorks and i'm sorry I let the darkside take control I acted before I thought of the outcome. It's a tricky thing this "FORCE" it surrounds us and binds us but the hatred is a quicker easier path. So what i'm trying to say is no matter your age you are going remember how those lessons learned from the movies affect your everyday actions I just took your critism personally and lashed out wrongly so lets all stop the fighting and the name calling and the racist remarks and be peacefull so that this darkside will not consume us all goodnight talkbackers see you Friday May 24, 2002 at a theater near you.DECEPTICONS FOREVER

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't it be great if Episode 3 was just like Baraka, except L

    by Cruel Shoes

    Silent, only a Williams score, all shots of people interacting in the SW universe. Boy would he shut a lot of us up. Life is too good that there's two more Star WArs movies to look forward. I don't care if they resemble The Punisher in their quality, I love 'em. They're Star Wars movies.

  • Feb. 20, 2001, 11:43 p.m. CST

    run-on sentences

    by RAVAGE

    Sorry for the run on sentences somtimes I get ahead of myself on here and forget that i'm not using the correct writting technique but I will try to correct myself in the future and by the way my dog says hi to everyone who reads this he is a really pretty dog and he likes tennisballs oh am I running on i'm sorry guess I missed out in Enlish class and didn't take notes so here is a PERIOD..................DECEPTICONS FOREVER I LOVE YOU ALL

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Episode 2: Lucas Gets Richer

    by SilentBob X

    It should be The Clone Wars, but then again, when has King George ever listened to the moviegoers? Will he listen to us and disembowel Jar Jar? Probably not, but one can hope. Please let JJB die a horrible, screaming death. Please.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1:19 a.m. CST

    "Episode 2: Gimme your money. Now. GIMME ALL YA MONEY!!!! NOW, N

    by ol' painless

    Working title only: I reckon it might me shortened a little.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1:47 a.m. CST

    All of the titles are DAMN STUPID!

    by DIRTMAN

    A NEW HOPE. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK,RETURN OF THE JEDI and,ahem,THE PHANTOM MENACE.Why is everyone sooo excited by what will no doubt turn out to be another shit title and probably extra shit film.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:08 a.m. CST

    "SW II: Screw the fan-base"

    by BoBaBrain

    Seemingly the movie is a 3 hour shot of GL taking a big angry dump on a sound stage, pausing only to flip the bird. I think he's lost all gratitude for the people he has entertained for so long.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Episode II title rumor

    by bluerose

    Episode II- Pile of Sith

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2: Return to the Monkey Prison

    by Captain Katanga

    Trust me, this will definitely be the title...

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Episode 2: Crouching Rancor, Hidden Gungan

    by ZionX

    Sounds good to me.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:12 a.m. CST

    why ep1 sucked

    by jonasthemalakim

    alexander, sure you had some points, and some of them were even good points. yes this is luca's story, he can tell it anyway he wants and we just have to accept it. but has far has ep1 being a great movie? hell no it wasnt. the only thing enjoyable about it was the jedi. how can you even compare jar jar to chewie? was chewie funny? at times, but did he speak in a "funny" sounding broken english to give the "kiddies" something to chuckle at? hell no. lets face it, jar jar used some very 90's catch prases(how rude) or the trade federation also speaking broken english, and what was it, oh yeah, what are you brain dead. yeah thats some great dialog. now im not saying the first 3 sw movies were beautifully written, at times the writing was bad(mainly in sw and rotj) but never was it out and out stupid. come on, jake loyd(who was great in jingle all the way) sucked as anakin. which i dont think was entirely his fault, i mean look at the writing, examples: yipee!; woohoo!(apon blowing up the ship); now this is pod racing; i think you have; now i singled out yipee and woohoo because, ive never heard a kid ever, ever use the word yipee except in a story book. why, because really little kids dont say it. and dont give me that its a movie about a far off galaxy where little kids do say stuff like that" shit. and the woohoo sounded so fake, same with the delivery of most of the kids lines. ep1 is a kids film. the actors werent allowed to act, the cgi creatures were never very threatening(especially the battle the droids, now the droidekas were cool) and what space battle? oo look, some ships are flying, someone blew up, the only cool fight was the jedi's. that was the only time i felt any threat to the characters even obi wan. and here is question, when did all the alien races decide that they would rather speak thier own language instead of human language, because the majority of aliens in ep1 speak enlish, and seem to have no native toungue, whereas in the originals, every spoke their own language, and the only alien who ever spoke enlish was akbar and his race. i didnt care much for ep1, but i know why it did so well, one, its called star wars, so people go. much like trekkies will watch anything called star trek no matter how bad it is. reason 2, the special effects were good, it looked amazing. reason 3, jedis, who hasnt for 20 years been waiting to see jedis in action at their prime? everybody. if this was any other sci fi film and didnt carry the name star wars, or have jedi, it still might have dont well based on special effects alone, but it would not be called a great movie by anyone. i worked in a theater when it came out, i didnt get to see it, just bits and peices of it while i worked, i was excited to see a new star wars movie. but then i saw it. and i cant sit through it. i have to fast forward to the pod race, and the to the ending, because wat some might call story just absolutely sucked. the kid tanked in the role, and the writing for the character was painfull to hear. i didnt want ep1 to meet my expectations. i just wanted to be entertained. and i wasnt. i say a very commercial, soulless vehical, that is very painfull to watch. i dont know how i feel about ep2, im not really feeling anything about it. after being so painfully dissappointed by ep1, ep2 has no expectations. if it looks good, i might go see it, but just for the jedi and natalie portman, because unless lucas' writing gets miraculously better, those are going to be the only good reasons to see it. i am so much more interesting in seeing lotr, because there is a movie trilogy that seems to actually capture the epic feel, and treat the story and characters with dignity. something lucas could/should learn about instead of tossing something into his movie on a whim notion that itll be funny.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:44 a.m. CST

    No, seriously, the REAL title.

    by Lazarus Long

    Lucas already has this new generation's attention, so he's not going to bother with the "Episode II" prefix. Like "The Empire Strikes Back", the new title needs nothing before it, because people will know it is Star Wars. Apparently George was pretty surprised by the "Steppin Fetchit" allegations thrown at him after the Jar Jar stuff in Phantom Meneace, or he's directing the next film as an homage to Norman Jewison, because the real title of the upcoming film is "THEY CALL ME MISTA BINKS!" Sorry.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Vote fraud? Shadows falling? Has the world gone mad?

    by Creep_Thunder

    Yeah I was wondering about that vote thing, it did confuse me. And as for the idea of one person giving Crispin Glover a stackload of votes, who, on this sorry planet, would be bothered enough to do so? That confuses me even more! And as for the Star Wars title, um, these films don't seem to be keeping up with the cool titles Episodes 4-6 do they?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Did TPM kill your dog or something?

    by Nordling

    You people are taking this way too personally. I will happily stand in line for Episode 2 whatever it's called. I normally dread Star Wars talkbacks...hell, I dread all the talkbacks...because most people in them have nothing constructive to say. Although Pile of Sith is funny, I'll admit. But you people are making it like TPM gangraped your little sister. IT'S JUST A MOVIE. And don't give me that crap about how TPM destroyed your childhood or some such bullshit. Jesus, get a life. As for the title? I personally like THE EMPIRE STRIKES but who cares, it's just a title.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Re: Amy Chasing...say what? (..or, How I learned to stop worryin

    by Amy Chasing

    Ok.. Star Wars shouldn't use the word 'shadow' because it's been 'taken' by Babylon 5.. far fetched? strange? maybe even a little ridiculous? .. yeah, I guess.. :-) Don't think I'm actually _trying_ to make a major argumentative statement here, I'm mearly voicing my feelings on the title "The Shadow Falls", and to me it just feels wrong. Star Wars & B5 are (agree or not) in the sci-fi genre. Both have epic qualities. Both have elements of fantasy and mysticism (perhaps more so in Star Wars, but it's there enough in B5). And both are space operas (just one is told in a bunch of 2hr films, while the other is done over 5 typical tv seasons). This being said, using the word 'shadow' in a Star Wars movie title (not just a passing reference mind you, but in the actual main marketing label that is a title) just goes against my grain for some reason. Yeah, I'm a B5 fan & a Star Wars fan. No I don't consider myself "normal". Normal is boring, and I'm proud to say I don't know any normal people. Do you? As for me taking my fandom too far.. at least I don't go ape-shit at people when discussing whether Ep.1 was any good or not. That's just nuts! This is all just alot of fun.. remember that! :-) Your similie of Tolkien not using the word "wizard" because it had already been used in The Wizard of OZ.. well, hmmm.. they're not really in the same genre together like Star Wars and B5 are together. When you think wizards in Lord of the Rings, you don't get mental images of some old guy leaving Dorothy behind as he takes off in a hot-air balloon. But if I hear a title like "The Shadow Falls".. well.. you watch 5 years of B5 where these words get used over and over again, and pretty soon you can't hear one without thinking the other. It's like.. sharing a box of chocolates and trying not to do any Forrest Gump. Know what I mean? If Star Wars uses this title for Ep.2 (which Lucas probably won't, but if he did) it would be coming too soon on the heels of B5, it'll still be fresh in the minds of the fans of both stories, and I have to wonder if I'll be the only one in the cinema waiting for Mr Morden to walk up to Anakin and ask.. "What do you want?" ;-P

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Harry is fat: Tolkien titles

    by EmperorCaligula

    He didn't like them. He wanted the book published as one volume, then the editor feared the cost if it bombed. So Tolkien needed to find 3 titles, and wasn't very glad with what came up. I think he thought of several for each book. In particular he was very upset with Return of the King, since it gave up most of the ending. 2 Towers is confusing since you don't know which ones; Tolkien himself couldn't decide. Fellowship of the Ring: never really liked this one personally. I think the titles in the History of Middle Earth are better and are the ones Tolkien rpeferred (Return of the Shadow, Treason of Isengard, War of the Ring). Vote fraud: the only person that would do this is probably Crispin Glover :D

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:29 a.m. CST

    it's a computer game title!

    by JonSClub

    'SW2:The Shadow Falls' isn't the movie title but the working title of one of the LucasArts computer games to accompany the movie. This is a bit like saying "The Episode 1 movie will be called 'Pod Racer'".

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Cruel Shoes: Right on!

    by Boogabear

    Yeah, none of Lucas' wack dialogue. Just an orchestral score and some great imagery. And my choice for the title: Star Wars, Episode II: Monkey Trouble

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Alexander Delarge

    by Bad Guy

    Just wanted to let you know that you make some excellent points. I love the Star Wars films, but I can see their flaws. I don't worship them blindly simply because they have the Star Wars title. You have to take them for what they are and people have to stop thinking of them as the second coming (not that I'm religious), or you will always be disappointed. They will NEVER meet your expectations. Like I stated in my earlier post, if you hated TPM so much, stay home when Episode II is released. Otherwise live and let live. Peace.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Mistakes were made...

    by Talonne

    Obviously. Was TPM a great movie, worthy of its legacy? Ummm, no. But I'll tell you what, my nieces and nephews weren't let down. So I suppose it fulfilled its purpose, in that regard. But the real reason it wasn't good for mature audience members is because it talked down to the audience. Pure and simple. The dialogue was wooden, we've all heard that before. On the next film, Lucas has handed over the script writing chores to a real screenwriter, so I think we'll be seeing the movie we've all been waiting for. Aside from the dialogue, the rest of the movie was fairly substantial, albeit not what we were expecting. But I think we've all seen summer movies succeed on less.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Just Episode 2

    by RT Society

    Whatever is going to be the name, it's always will be Episode 2

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 6 a.m. CST

    I hate all of you

    by Ewan

    Shut the hell up and just try to enjoy the films. If you don't, then it sucks to be you. But Lucas can do whatever he wants; these are HIS movies. If you don't like it, go make your own.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 6:06 a.m. CST


    by Optimus Spears

    RAVAGE AND HARRY IS FAT = 2 complete GODS...that was the funniest thing i've ever read.

  • N/T

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Episode II:Electric Boogaloo

    by Bitterman

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Episode II: Somebody Set Us Up the Bomb

    by Crisp One

    What you say!!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by RipReaver

    ep 2 will be marginally better then 1, it will tease us yet again by showing the beginning of the real conflicts and then finally, episode 3 will actually give us all what we want. anakin turning to vader, full out clone wars, death destruction. 2 will be another tease. 3 will be the greatest star wars movie. we waited years to see the phantom menace to learn what? basically everything we already know about the story.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 8:12 a.m. CST

    An analogy

    by Sandman1126

    Republicans:Bill Clinton :: Fanboys:George Lucas Without Lucas, what on earth would you have to whine about? I don't know what to think about people who willingly pay $8-$9 to see a movie just so they can bitch about how much they hated it. Like it, don't like it, who cares? Lucas doesn't, and he shouldn't. It's his story, his imagination, if you don't like it, don't ante up your ticket money. And if you think you can write a better screenplay, get to work. Slamming somebody else is the easiest thing in the world to do; it takes no intelligence or creativity whatsoever. George Lucas has created an entire universe that has obviously obsessed many of you. But that's your problem, and he doesn't owe anybody one single damn thing. Get over yourselves!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:21 a.m. CST

    the truth to the eps2 title:

    by kzonk

    star wars: darth bangs leia

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: The Death of Jar Jar

    by KingOfCrows

    This is the title i'd LOVE to see for Star Wars Episode II. It'll never happen, but I can always dream...

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:30 a.m. CST

    "A vergence you say?"

    by castaway

    I agree that this title does not sound quite right but it probably would kick that i think about it more and more, it gives off the right amount of SERIOUS ominousness barely seen in TPM (Don'ta getta me wrongo, TPM was the shit, itsa credit to Lucasfilm's race....I swear i watched that fucking video about 8 times during spring break last year, of course, i didn't have the money to see anything theatrically and my car was in the shop) anyway, here's to the "final five"(jedi..teehee), watto walking on a crutch because he is afflicted with arthritis of the wings, TPM on FOX the 29th of april, and the fact that even though this film will most likely fuck-up whomever goes against it at the box office (woe to spider-man if he wants to take on the big boy in town on May...go to the holidays ya eight-legged yella belly freak) and still rule another title should be considered....STAR WARS EPISODE II: RETURN OF THE CAPITALIST PIG (not to rape capitalism..but those damn rereleases are busts)

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Episode II: Someone set up us the bomb!

    by TheKraken


  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Episode II: Take off every 'Zig'!

    by TheKraken

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Episode II: Pass the Handcream

    by TheKraken

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:51 a.m. CST

    sounds cool...

    by Dragonfire

    but whats this about artoo flying?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Sandman is right

    by Ewan

    .......but I still hate the rest of you

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Never question the sanctity of Star Wars

    by SkywalkerVT

    Let me just start by saying I have been a Star Wars fan since I was three. I can still remember standing in line on a rainy May afternoon -- a day that would honestly shape who I was going to be as a person. With that in mind, let me just say that -- although everyone is allowed to voice their opinions --Star Wars/Lucas bashers annoy the hell out of me. I would love to know why all you people feel such comptempt for the great flanneled one. What did he ever do besides shape the greatest story stories ever told, and consequently provide inspiration for generations of people? It seems as if you bashers crawled from under your rocks when The Phantom Menace was released. What was wrong with the film? It was an exciting tale supported by a well-written screenplay. It wasn't perfect, and we all had different perceptions of what it was going to be, but what else could we have asked for? It's not Lucas' fault all of your ideals changed, and you forgot what it was like to be a kid. The film stayed true to the overall story, and was overall a fantastic achievement in the face of insurmountable expectations. I love violent films, but it was refreshing to see a breathtaking film that families can watch together. Plus it's only act one of a larger story. And as we know act one is designed to introduce the characters and set a platform for the rest of the story. TPM did that. I have seen many films since TPM was released, and I can say that not many were as well written -- and that's not an easy thing. Let's all be honest -- both Traffic and Erin Brokovich have incredibly loosely-written screenplays. The bottom line is, everyone watched it as an adult, when you should have watched it as a kid. And why criticize him on the way he markets his films? No one's forcing anyone to buy action figures. Who cares how much money he has? This is America... everyone has the right to chase whatever dream they may have. And furthermore who gives a rat's ass if he borrows from Akira Kurosawa, John Ford, Shakespeare, or mythology. Can you think of anything better? For all of you who thought The Matrix was original -- news flash! It's a hybrid of The Terminator, Blade Runner, John Woo pics, and oh yeah...STAR WARS. Oh, by the way...I don't think that's the title to Episode II, but if it is, it's cool with me.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Oh no!!! (Thanks, Slobro)

    by Crisp One

    I did get it wrong! Alas! What happen? I get signal, Slobro! I am on the way to destruction! I have no chance to survive make my time!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:40 a.m. CST

    More silly nonsensical ramblings

    by Kentucky Colonel

    How About "Star Wars: Who Let The Darth's Out?". Or "Star Wars: Prequel Sequel (Star Wars PS)" Or "Star Wars- The Erection of the Empire" or just "Imperial Erection". That could take the franchise in a much neede adult direction! The one I'd like to see (you, too) is "Star Wars: Let's Hunt and Kill Jar Jar Binks". Nah, just a bunch of hooey induced by a double Old Fitzgerald on ice. What this franchise REALLY needs is to get Kirk & Spock onboard. THAT would rock! DO you think the Enterprise could take on the Death Star? I do! That would KICK ASS!! Don't forget to call your Mom and tell her you love her!!!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:41 a.m. CST

    'The Man With No Name' trilogy leaves the current McCallum bendO

    by the alterdestiny

    It's true. Do yourselves a favor and rent the DVDs. Tonight.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    Eres un maricon sucio, Panamenio come-pinga! Todo el mundo sabe que los Centro Americanos son unos indios de mierda cabezones! Metete tu cabeza en el orto de su madre, vale? Eres un enano sin cojones, y si te veo en las calles te voy a arrancar la pinga, mariconson! Los Panamenios son unos putos. Vete para Colon y zingate a tu madre, tu abuelita, y a tu hermanita, enano sin huevos.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 11:01 a.m. CST

    This thread

    by kinekor

    I love the Star Wars movies,and yes i liked The Phantom Menace,but Ep 2 couldn't possibly compare to hom much i was entertained by this thread on Ep 2's title.You guys love it.You hate it.So cool

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Star Wars II:

    by Natas

    The real title should be Star Wars II: The Violent Death of Jar Jar Binks

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by JJ78

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by JJ78

    OK I've never been the biggest Star Wars fan although they are pretty cool, but come on the last one was shit. If I have to sit through that again I will hunt down and destroy the Jedi myself.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    Oyeme cabron, no entiendes que odio a TODOS los Centro-Americanos? Eres un mamado, hijo de puta. Eres un indio sucio y tu pais es un saco de mojones. If you must know though, I'm red, white, and blue through-and-through. Just because I can speak and understand your dirty Pig Latin doesn't make me on of your kind, indio tira-flecha! Soy tu peor pesadilla, indio: un Americano gringo que te entiende y que se caga en la madre que te parrio! Abajo con todos los indios putos de Panama!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Fucki it

    by Poon McTastin'

    Star Wars EpisodeII:My balls shalt spew forth a river of sperm unto your mouth.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode 2: Christopher Walken is in it.

    by squonk

    Well, is he?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 12:40 p.m. CST

    AICN is a great hangout for Aryan Racists

    by Macrolife

    We are never asked to leave by the management. ORION!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    On what post did I: a. use the word "nigger" b. proclaim any hate for Hispanics c. use racist epithets of ANY kind? What I had to say to "I Show No Mercy" was written in spanish so that all of the other Talkbackers could ignore it. Since I can speak and understand his little backward dialect, I felt this would be the best way to address his cute little comment that "MLH1138 is the enemy." So, I implore you to back the fuck up off me right now with your demagoguery and "sheaat."

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1:08 p.m. CST

    You know what I was thinking?

    by gomer

    He should call it: Episode II: This film is not -FOR- you, so don't buy a ticket, you will not be getting a refund. Thenh all you guys will be able to spend more time preparing to hate Lord of the Rings. You wopuld be surprised how many people are going to like it. They need all you swearing brainiacs out there to let them know they shoulnd't be enjoying themselves.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1:37 p.m. CST

    But really, it wasn't actually a bad film...

    by gomer

    SW enthusiasts don't care if you are bashers are convinced. We just figured you would like to know that it actually wasn't a bad film, because you all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies, with no real grip on realistic expectations, and we thought if you became more reasonable, you guys might get some.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by AlexanderDeLarge

    Ok, I can deal with you calling my article "a long winded love letter to Lucas", it's your opinion, it's ok. But WHERE THE FUCK DID I USE THE "N" WORD IN THIS TALKBACK?...Please explain me, I'd love to know how the fuck I was dragged into this stupid racist argument...for the record, I am a mexican, I am not racist and I am not using anyone else's passwords. And I am certainly not that "No Mercy" asshole. If you doubt my word, go into AICN chat and ask anyone if I am racist or anti-racist. Otherwise shut the fuck up with your little accussations. I expect an apology for the racist comment immediately. and "No Mercy" give spanish speaking people a bad name. Fuck off and take responsibility for your own insults or I'll lock you in a cage with the Ass Raping Baboon.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:02 p.m. CST

    cinne99, you raise good points

    by SkywalkerVT

    First let me say that I stand by my statement regarding being in a young person's mindset while watching Star Wars. The reason adults loved the films is because Star Wars' sweeping story, and clearly defined lines of good and evil made them feel young. But at the same time, the films provide genuine emotion and drama. I did see The Iron Giant, and I loved it. While it's story was heart-felt and inteligent, it -- whether you knew it or not -- appealed to your inner child. The fact is that with Episode I, people didn't sit back and let that happen. If you would have just relaxed and watched the film, I guarantee you would have experienced it differently. I also support my stance on TPM being an extremely well written screenplay. OK, I agree...if you step back and observe the film, the dialogue is a little simple, but do the same for the original trilogy and you'll find similar results. The screenplay's structure was sound. There is absolutely no arguing the fact that all the characters were well developed, the movement was perfectly timed, and the story built to a thrilling climax rather than just arriving at one like most films we see today. I have to stress the fact that the challenge of writing TPM was unique. Lucas had to follow preset parameters at the same time give fans something new. Although he did write himself into a corner by deciding to start the story so early in Anakin's life. I would have liked to seen Lucas begin the story with Anakin as Obi Wan's apprentice. But no one knows what he has planned for the rest of the story, and I guarantee there's TPM than meets the eye. You're also right that Lucas is surrounded by yes-men, particularly McCallum. But is his story, and he can do as he wishes. Also, I know Lucas is a human being; I tried to address that point when I touched on his money. I love The Phantom Menace, and think it's more than worthy to stand next to the films of the original trilogy. I do have to add that I feel Lucas is taking liberties with the fans' loyalty with this DVD situation. There is no reason a basic version of Episode I shouldn't be available on DVD. Then he can release a special edition; it's a lot better than releasing the video followed by the basic DVD then a special edition. May the Force be with you all.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:08 p.m. CST

    hey gomer

    by Natas

    reading a little House of Leaves?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by Big Papa

    Hi. I've posted here once or twice before, but I'm still pretty much a newbie. I'll just say what I have to say, then go. Episode 2 will have the EXACT same story as TPM! The plot of the first movie {yes there was a plot} was that Senator Palpatine put on a dark robe, called himself "Sidious" so noone would recognize him, then STAGED the whole war with the Trade he could be elected into a higher office. The plot for E2, from what I've heard, is... Senator Palpatine puts on a dark robe, calls himself "Sidious" so noone will recognize him, then tries to assassinate he can be elected into a higher office. THAT'S THE SAME STORY!!! I think GL should have condensed E1 and E2 into one movie, cuz it's a waste to make two movies with the same plot. Palpatine should have reached the top of the "ladder-o-power" at the end of TPM. Then E2 should have been about the "Rise of the Empire". But noooooo! At this rate, he won't become emperor till the end of E2 {at the earliest}, and THE EMPIRE WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO RISE TILL E3.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Conflicting stories

    by Stosslova

    I've heard from two different people in different webchats that it's going to be called "EPISODE TWO: THE FORCE WITHIN". Has anyone else heard this?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:37 p.m. CST

    It's all crap and you know it

    by Dizzy_Maverick

    I'm not trying to take away the fun of guessing what the title of Episode ][ will be but I have to tell you that my Dad used to work for Lucasfilm and I clearly remember the s**t that hit the fan when George Lucas decided 7 weeks before the release of Episode VI 'Revenge of the Jedi', to change the title to what we now know as Return of the Jedi simply because he thought it gave too much of the story away! Rather than go through that again George Lucas himself decreed that future titles of the series would have titles that very loosely infur a link to the story hence the weird title 'The Phantom Menace' for Episode I. Two questions: 1. What's so phantom about a baddy who's chief assasin gets killed the first time he fights the good guy's? 2. The Emperor hasn't been much of a menace yet has he? So... to cut a long story short... The title of the movie will be, once again something completely unexpected and WILL NOT be let slip! If you want to know what the real title will be, simply wait for the first Teaser Trailer in October! Cheers all.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by Filmjester

    Who cares what the title is, crap is crap, even if it has a cool name. You people are still waiting to see that movie, after phantom menace? It had crappy writing. Lord Of The Rings is based on a book that was written well. That means that it has a story. A good one and that people have been enjoying that book before the first Star Wars was ever made.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Possible Episode II titles

    by Filmjester

    Anybody got any Episode II titles? I have a few; Episode II: George Lucas Has Money Episode II: George Lucas can't write Episode II: George Lucas is rich Episode II: Fans will see it and enjoy it just because they refuse to admit that its crap Episode II: Anakin's a drugie? Episode II: Queen Amadala/Padme' 2 differnt people? Episode II: THERE TWINS YOU IDIOT Episode II: Boba Fett's Dad is going to die Episode II: Billions of Dollars + Crappy writing= Episode II: Ray Park won't be able to save this script Episode II: Lucas Film Underpaid and decide to get revenge by telling Lucas the script is good. Haw Haw Haw Im so clever

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    I never thought I'd be saying so, but I think it's time Lucas cuts his losses and retires to the Ranch before he sullies The Saga any further. What these prequels needed was an edge, I mean that was the whole goddamn point. People understood the SW circuit, and expected something darker right from the outset. Instead, we get a silly ass Gungan named Jar Jar, Battle Droids, the worst child actors this side of a cough syrup commercial, a two-headed hillbilly alien calling the pod race, an Immaculate Conception, a Jedi Council that looked more like a menagerie of rejects from Jabba's Palace, Midichlorians, and a partridge in a pear tree. I would have rather seen Lucas dive right into adult themes, but then again, that concept is fucking alien to him since he's never attempted adult themes on his own as a writer/director (and don't even try and mention that THX tripe). He'll of course give way to the toddlers and repressed half-fag men out there who still collect silly toys and make the next two films in the same manner. And it's those very fanboys who run out to the toy store everytime this cumquat puts out SW-themed novelty that should be shot in the first place. Come on, fanboys. Come and get it.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Give it a rest

    by Bad Guy

    Man, I can't stress this point enough. If you hated TPM and/or Lucas you don't HAVE to go see any future films in the series. Who's forcing you? ( No pun intended) You guys act like Lucas is pointing a gun to your heads and making you cough up your dough for a ticket. If you enjoyed the original trilogy you can continue to watch those and skip the prequels. The thing that really irritates me is that I know that most of you will be in line opening weekend with your "show me" attitude. You probably won't allow yourselves to enjoy it just so you can say, "I told you it was going to suck!" And food for thought: just because LOTR is based on a classic and popular series of books doesn't mean it's going to be a great series of films, "Dune" anyone?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:24 p.m. CST

    SW2: The Shadow Falls?

    by Gizmo218

    Remember the cartoon serious Double Dragon? When the bad guy's minions ran to do their master's bidding, their cry was, "The Shadow falls!" I hope the rumor is false.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Episode II : A rip rop, rip rop rippity doo [ nt ]

    by Murraypalooza

    As a matter of fact, I am trademarking that damn title Star Wars Episode II: A rip rop, rip rop rippity doo

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by Jimmy_Jim_Jam

    You guys are hilarious, im reading this board from now on!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:04 p.m. CST

    People who should be banned from AICN Talkback

    by not_a_jedi_yet

    1) People who say, "You have to see TPM as a kid to enjoy it." 2) People who insist people who say #1 are f'in idiots. 3) People who think it's funny to incorporate their desire for Jar Jar to die in the title of Episode II. 4) People who think it's funny to say "Episode II: Electric Boogaloo," even though that was old after the first time I read it, not to mention the first 1000 times. 5) People who haven't realized that being first doesn't count for shit, or that they look like idiots thinking it does. 6) People who think Lord of the Rings will suck. Oh yeah? Well, if it does it's because you need to see it with the mind of a child.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    Funny how that little cry-baby bastich "I Show No Mercy" is harping on me for always dissing SW. If that illiterate little monkey's English was as good as his Spanish, he would've surmised after reading my material that I was actually a fan of the series, just not of the direction the franchise is taking now. Pero que puede hacer este cagon si en su pais ni han discubierto a la luz? Es dificil de hacer peliculas sin luz, tira-flecha mama-culo. Y para que lo sepas: Univision es una tremenda mierda, maricon enfermo!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Bad Guy

    Sure you should expect quality in any film you put your money down for, but people seem intent on not liking Episode II because they didn't like TPM. A bunch of you didn't like ROTJ, but you still went to see TPM. Those of you who want an "adult-themed" Star Wars film should just go back and watch ESB, since it seems you want every film in the series to be like that one. These films are meant to be mostly light-hearted fare. Not the dark, brooding, angst-filled adult drama some of you are intent on seeing. If you want dark sci-fi go see BladeRunner, it's got everything you want, and it's a damn good film. Lucas is going to do what he wants and no amount of whining on your parts is going to change that.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by GrandFinally

    (in thick arrow-flinger accent)"Half Merceeee: que cagon ese vato puto!" Anyhow, I don't think anybody in here critizing GL, SW, et al. are expecting any of their "whining" to sway said filmmaker in either direction. What's done is fucking done. But it's fun as fuck to come in here and read some of you marks' material!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 5:59 p.m. CST

    You have the right to be miserable....

    by gomer

    You have the absolute right to expect more out of your SW films. But those of us who think it is pretty cool the way it is, and that happens to include George Lucas himself, don't have to give a rats ass. You guys should just... Blow.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by Key_Card

    The Order of The Phoenix? Give me a fucking break. Hey I've got an idea, why don't you pathetic little fucks calm down and actually wait until the movie comes out before you critisize it. Oh wait I forgot, eveyone on this site is an award winning film maker so you all know how to do things better. And to Harry is FAT...right on!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:20 p.m. CST

    episode II or III title?

    by JASPER

    The RISE OF THE EMPIRE IS A RESERVED DOMAIN maybe we have the title already!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:30 p.m. CST

    A rose by any other name...

    by Cap'n Spalding

    Does it really matter what the damn thing is called? When was the last time anybody here decided on whether or not to see a movie marketed as a summer blockbuster based on the title alone?

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:31 p.m. CST

    If a Shadow Falls in the woods....

    by snarl

    and noone is there to believe it, is it really the title.....

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:40 p.m. CST

    by JASPER

    the shadow falls is a joke is a george bush loves you wbsite episode II or III is gonna be called THE RISE OF THE EMPIRE!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 7:55 p.m. CST

    SW2 Opening scroll revealed!

    by Gato2112

    Episode II: All Your Base Are Belong to Us War is begin soon. Unrest many in close galaxy. Jedi are trust in few. Queen Amidala quick to Corsucant to set down Jedi Council. Timely, Obi-Wan Kenobi taught Anakin Skywalker make Jedi Knight. Meanwhile, a Rebel Zig move to Tatooine, for great justice....

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode II: The Jew, the Italian, and the Red Head Gay

    by Dairya25

    The Jew, the Italian and the Red Head Gay...We each see life in our own way...We all live together on Avenue A...The Jew, The Italian, and the Red Head Gay!

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 10:24 p.m. CST

    If you hate Star Wars, please don't see it, so for us that do l

    by Kingdopy

    I work at a movie theater and I even had to wait in line and buy a ticket. Only true fans should be allowed to see it. Then maybe after the first week, if other people want to see it that aren't really fans, then they can. As for the title, I don't really care, I see the movie for the movie, not the title, but Star Wars Ep. 2:Anakin's not a litle brat anymore, sounds good. Thank you all.

  • Feb. 21, 2001, 11:38 p.m. CST

    even though nobody will care, The Phantom Menace was a brilliant

    by Tall_Boy

    I've been home for reading week kinda bored so I poped in my tape of TPM, and I dig that title more and more because just about everything in that movie is about forshadowing of something even more evil in the background: Sidious/Palpatine, Maul, the Trade Federation littlerally being a "phantom" menace (ie. they didn't mean anything) and best of all, and the most subversive, would be Anakin. An innocent little kid who the Jedi believe in who will turn out to be the evilist sonofbitch in the galaxy. Even though "The Phantom Meance" was a head-scratcher at first (and the geeks tore it a new one, including myself...its really surprising to see the same venom 2 years later) I think its actually the deepest title in the saga, beating out the somewhat basic titles of the original trilogy. Now, this was a post for anyone who actually wants to have a bit of inteligent discussion. However, its kinda hard considering how Talkbackers in SW forums are the most vile bunch out there. . .(I think THE COMMEDIAN, and cine99 won the collective award for "Most bitter geek" this time around) Kinda sad, actually, cuz you can read alot into Star Wars. . .

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 12:39 a.m. CST

    "The Phantom Menace" was also an homage ...

    by droosan

    ... to the title of the very first episode of the "Flash Gordon" serial from the 1930's: "The Unseen Peril."

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 3:30 a.m. CST

    You people make me sick

    by MPJedi2

    As I sit here reading yet another group of rambling bullshit bitch sessions about TPM, I again wonder what will happen when Peter Jackson releases a faithful adaptation of "The Fellowship of the Ring." That "chapter" or "act" of LOTR is about the most dull thing I've ever read. I almost gave up on the whole thing because of it. Do I want to read about an endless walk through the woods, followed by people sitting around a room talking? No, and I don't think the general public will either. TPM suffered from the same problem as TFOTR, it's all set-up. Does that make it bad? Is TFOTR bad because it's all set-up? Come on fanboys! Besides you know you'll all start jacking off furiously when Boba or Jango Fett walks on screen. That was your real problem with TPM, Lucas used Darth Maul as he needed to be used in that story, and it didn't give you enough time to get off...

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 7:51 a.m. CST

    What is WRONG with all u people???

    by Luthien Tinuviel

    Have you LOST ALL PERSPECTIVE??? Why do you people build up such high expectations about films? You should enjoy them for what they are, soak in the stunning special effects and loose yourself in another world. Does it REALLY matter if the title is not quite what you envisioned beforehand? Also, as a HUGE Tolkien fan (huge as in obsessive, but not in the fat comic book guy sense... besides, I'm female;p) I rather enjoy the similarity between LOTR and the Starwars films. So.... DON'T BE SO NEGATIVE!!! I also see you people picking appart the LOTR trailer, and even though some things in the storyline have been changed, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE AMAZING!!! So let's stop all the cynicism and be nice to these wonderful people who make lots of money by entertaining us, Luthien ;) PS. Who else always wanted to be princess Leia as a child?

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Not me

    by not_a_jedi_yet

    "Who else wanted to be Princess Leia as a child?" I wouldn't want to be Leia as a child...being born to the most evil dude in the universe, being torn away from my family at a young age, learning to wear my hair in those awful buns...nope, not me.

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 8:15 a.m. CST

    george how did you get this far?

    by Galactica

    Lucas you are the weakest link good bye

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Princess Leia

    by Luthien Tinuviel

    I meant that when I WAS A CHILD I wanted to be princess Leia!!! I want to be Princess Leia cause she gets Harrison Ford in the end ;) and it's not difficult to put your hair up in buns like that, if it's long enough!

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I know the REAL title.


    Star Wars: Episode 2: The Vagina Monologues

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by Luke Gorgeous?!

    It's out..... Believe me 'The Shadow Falls' is the true title for Ep.2. Well done Harry on this scoop. LG

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 9:03 a.m. CST

    A shadow Falls

    by spi

    Luke, I think you'll find the real title is 'A 'Shadow Falls. Good early scoop though. Rick.

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 11:35 a.m. CST

    EP1 and hope for EP2

    by JStorm

    When I first saw EP1, I was totally jazzed. It WAS quite a spectacle. After purchasing the movie on tape though, it's weakness are glaringly apparent. It has to be said that the acting is horrible in this film; and these are not bad actors. That leads to the real reason the movie is viewed as a failure: there is an almost complete lack of actual "Direction" by the director. Everyone looks uncomfortable and appear to be almost ad-libbing at times. The dialog is laughable, although this not a new thing; seeing Star Wars again in the theater when it was re-released, I actually laughed out loud (along with the rest of the audience) at the awful dialog. George Lucas has shown spasms of brilliance in his career, but for whatever reason, he gave up his art (Directing) during what should have been his period of experimenting and developing his skills as a director. Look back over Mr. Lucas's career honestly and you will see that he has not made any progression as a Director since his first films. Painters practice painting, Olympic athletes practice obsessively. George Lucas needs to PRACTICE directing. Make some other movies for a change (and i don;t mean "produce"). Get some skills beyond the editing room. Despite all this, I will, indeed, be seeing Ep2 soon after it is released. You can still be a fan and agree that the object of your affection is less than perfect.

  • Feb. 22, 2001, 5:21 p.m. CST

    What's in a title?

    by Ethane

    I don't know what all the hoo ha is over titles of Star Wars films. Hell, it's not really that hard to come up with a title, I bet some screen write pulls a Kyser Sorze and looks at the noticeboard of his corner Deli pulls one out like "Jedi seeks companionship in form of Former Planetary Ruler". But seriously, I was a little disappointed that a title should be needed at all, because lets face it, who amongs us realised that A New Hope was actually the title to Star Wars IV. I know it didn't make one lick of difference to me when I was a kid. With all that said I still think the title of Ep. II should be "The Dark Rebellion"

  • Feb. 23, 2001, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Maybe the time has come at last...

    by 3rdstrike

    Look, I know it has been stated before, but I'm going to say it again, and hopefully with a little more eloquence than some of you exceptionally obese and lifeless pornmongers out there. Whether or not you like George Lucas, Star Wars, or anything related to Tolkien, the Baldwins, etc. is not releveant, but rather what matters is that you are going to go and see Episode 2 no matter what. (many of you I'm sure will see it 3 or 4 times) Think about it boys and girls, why were people camped out in line to see TPM? They probably had seen the trailers, and more than likely were prepared for what they got. But unless you are a film critic, than i seriously doubt you have the cranial capacity to make a SERIOUS judgement on another man's expression. He has the money, the story, and the copyright, so deal with it.

  • Feb. 23, 2001, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by JMYoda

    Lucas isn't going to let the title leak out this early oh ye with little faith. Harry pulled this one out of his ass (boy that's a trick in itself) just like all his other "scoops". Kinda gives you an idea just what it is he's "scooping". Anyway this won't be the title, it won't be anything else you've heard yet. Only Lucas and maybe RM know the real title and they ain't talking until fall. I'm still hoping for "Obi-Wan Kenobi and the First Damn-Fool Idealistic Crusade". Oh and "The Phantom Menace" was a good titled, it had a serial feel and fir the film. However "The CGI Menace" would make a good title for a Jar Jar movie (which we all sadly know is inevitable.)

  • June 4, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Luthien Tinuviel

    by ScorchedTBurntLembas

    you can put your hair in a bun? That's amazing! But if your bushy beaver is that long I guess you have to do something with it. Might look like you've got major cameltoe tho.