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BATMAN YEAR ONE... It'll be set like in the FRENCH CONNECTION era of the Seventies!!!
Hey folks, Harry here with a scoop sent in from SpiderFreddie taken from an interview in CINEFANTASTIQUE with Darren "I now Rule" Aronofsky regarding his plans for BATMAN YEAR ONE.... Tres Cool! Here ya go.... Can you imagine?
hello harry this is spiderfreddie,i was in barnes and nobles and i just
happened to pass by a magazine(named either cinefantastique or
cinemafantastique) with hanniball on the cover,where there was an interview
with darren aronofsky about batman year one where he explains why warners
chose him to helm this film apparently,they loved his unique pitch to the
film,to which mr aronofsky himself states that he wants it "to be set in the
seventies",and he wants to be a film more along the lines of the french
connection.this revelation just astounded me and i had to tell you!!!!please
harry credit spiderfreddie for this scoo!! so all you talkbackers what do you
think!!!
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I can't wait for the new Batman...Frank Miller rules all!
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I have a VERY good feeling about this film. Aronofsky is a great director with many years of great films to come and I think he can put a fresh, new spin on the Batman franchise. That being said...WES BENTLEY *MUST* BE WAYNE!!! MUST!!!!!!
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I haven't read Batman: Year One, but I don't think it had a seventies motif. Did it? In fact, I don't know whether Batman ever really had a seventies motif. What gives?
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...although I always wanted to see a Batman flick that took place in the thirties, with gangsters and such. But what the hell do I know? Maybe we'll see Bruce sportin' some neato bell-bottoms and platform shoes.
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The more I here about this movie the more am fearing the studios will panic and kick Aronofsky off the project.
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..."Batman Year One" had a sort of 70's motif (best represented when Bruce goes undercover and pisses off a pimp), but it was never overtly said that it took place in the 70's...or was it? I can't remember.
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I cannot wait until April, I'm taking Harry's advice and buying the DVD, I've never seen it, but I can't wait. When I finally see it, THEN I'll be REALLY excited about the new Batman film.
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Feb 07, 2001 10:58:24 PM CST
Gritty Realism. Disillusioned urban loners. A guy dressed like a
by buzz maverik
The Vietnam vet whose only mode of expression is violence from TAXI DRIVER. The brutal, ruthless detective from THE FRENCH CONNECTION. The cop who sees his own dark side in a sadistic killer from DIRTY HARRY. The Special Forces assasain who has no reason to exist outside of war from APOCALYPSE NOW. The bereft liberal turned vigilante killer from DEATH WISH. The guy in tights with the cave under his mansion who swings from a rope and fights criminals who have never seemed to have heard of automatic weapons and if they have, he can dodge concentrated machine gun fire anyway from BATMAN. That fits right in. Once and for all, Miller redeemed BATMAN from the 60s T.V. show campiness, but he did not do a realistic take on the BAT because you can't. THE DARK KNIGHT was genius, but YEAR ONE was baby-tough pseudo-noir saved by Mazzuchelli's art.
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--requiem was a good looking but in the end overrated piece of crap--go.
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finally.those greedy bastards
might let someone make a REAL
batman movie.one a long-time fan
won't be ashamed to go see.if the
buisiness men will admit that they
know nothing about comic books,
superheroes,or just plain good
storytelling,batman will get the
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A recently widowed woman tries to make her way in a mean streets of Minneapolis newsroom on THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW. A blue-collar bigot whose hatred eats away at his "Meathead" Son-In-Law on ALL IN THE FAMILY. A musically-gifted family rockin' and rollin' their way to the top of the charts and into Americas hearts, learning a little about love, and *a lot* about themselves on THE BRADY BUNCH, and well, THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY. Maybe this is the seventies we're talking about here.
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I love the fact that Gotham City never really changes or has particular earthly settings. We have a time frame--Batman was a child, Batman grows up--but we aren't given specific years. This adds to the mysterious netherworld of Gotham that makes the Batman universe so special. I know they've thrown in stuff like the statue of Liberty in some of the comics, but most of the time, Gotham City is a hybrid generation of the 30's, 50's and modern times. Although, I do admire Aronofsky for trying something new and the comparison to the French Connection makes me wonder if this could actually be a darker, grittier type of Batman. One can only hope.
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What the Hell? I like the seventies idea, especially if that dates this project so that a modern day Dark Knight Returns is set( think about the dates invovled, that would make Batman in his late fourties, early fifties). Batman is no man torn by REAL events and he has no REAL response like Kurtz or Bickle or even good ol' Popeye Doyle. People just identify with Batman WAY to much because they have taken bullshit from people thier whole lives and they wish they could be tuff like him. Sorry about the rant. I think its a good idea because the French Connection is a great flick.
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Feb 07, 2001 11:34:20 PM CST
Great! Let's send Batman to Studio 54 with Andy Warhol and Bianc
by bari umenema
It'll be fun like "Saturday Night Fever", stayin' alive!stayin' alive! ooh gimme those Bee Gees any night I just love the whole Disco scene! Why does Cartuna have Jean Reno slicing Harry's head off in tonight's gif? What's it from, The Professional?
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I learn something new every day. Here's a AICN-AT-NITE poll. Let's assume we're all the perverts we are. Who would you have sex with first if you had a choice? Mary Richards or Laura Petrie? Just so this won't qualify as off-topic b.s., Bruce Wayne would get them both in the three-way, then go out and kick the Riddler's ass inside out!
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Honest..from the movie where he terrorised the blind girl, was it Audrey Hepburn ? The name of the film escapes me right now, and it's going to bug me all day !
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Actually, I was hoping for a take that followed the comics a little more closely, one where Joe Chill and the Joker are two different people. Not that a seventies Batman and an authentically-adapted Batman are mutually exclusive. I'm just having a (classic fanboy cynical doubt) feeling that we're going to be subjected to "Aronovsky's Batman" (a Batman rockin' and rollin' to the top of the charts, and into America's hearts, learning a little bit about love, and *a lot" about himself, with Baterangs).
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...doesn't she look like a walking skeleton now? I think she should be a zombie in Romero's next "Dead" flick. Oh man, getting old is going to suck, except for the adult diapers of course. "And all of these years I've been using my lungs like a sucker."
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Feb 08, 2001 12:16:27 AM CST
(I can't believe I'm the one saying this) Enough silliness!
by village idiot
Sheez! And speaking of silliness, where the heck is useridindeed!? He made a big pronouncement a few weeks ago as to how he was back, but I haven't read word one from him since the Golden Globes. Anyway, BACK TO BATMAN: To make Batman an extreme or precise period piece like the one I'd be dreading may limit the ability to include other characters from DC continuity. In fact, the "world" of the comics be redefined or [shudder] reimagined. This would not preclude a good film per se, but it would not be the film I want to see. This was one of my main problems with X-Men. And Buzz, I'm afraid my vote would have to go to Laura. Tell me she doesn't know how to fill a pair of capri pants.
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actually, maybe she was? no, no. she wasnt. wait a second..ok now im having doubts but that isnt the reason im writing this tb!! batman in the seventies, eh? im surprised that an idea so out there is being recieved so well by all the talkbackers. im impressed..and a little scared. anywhoo, i have never read batsy: year one. all i know is it involves a lotta comissioner gordan. i dont really care about his story, but i could be wrong. yeah, that happens alot. i most probably AM wrong! bring on the commish!..on a DC related note, why doesnt stupid hharry and stupid coaxial write something about stupid smallville so i can have a place to write my stupid beef about that could-be-good show.baff. ps. and id prefer mary though id trade em both in for a chance at rhoda!!
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This is probably a long shot, but mabe the French Connection motif means that the entire film is going to be told from the point of view of Lt. Gordon. The Year One comic is as much his story as it is Batman's. I for one would find it interesting. Oh, and Buzz; Laura Petrie. And consider yourself a Screaming Retina just for having the balls to pose that question.
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If it's set in the 70s, this thing better have a bad-ass car chase in it. Hopefully through a scenic European city, an area of New York involving bridges & above-ground subway tracks, or San Francisco. Batmobile, bitch. :)
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This is great! All they need to do is to put Bruce Wayne into Paul Newman's wardrobe from "Slap Shot". Better yet - get Sam Jackson to play Batman in sort of a revisionist "Dolomite" meets "Superfly" kind of thing. They could call it "Sweet Batman's Badasss Song"... (Anyone remember that one?)
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I have an issue from 1986 with Arnold Schwarzeneggar posing as the t-800 with some chick in terminator attire and it says "Lady Terminator takes on Arnold" They had a whole article with the whole plot of Terminator 2 laid out...they were of course completely wrong and five years early. They also has another issue in 1986 with the complete details of the plot of the next Star Wars movie, they were 13 years early on that one too. But Darth Vader may get thrown into a volcano, as they said would happen.
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i think what he's going for is the gritty look of 70's films i really cant wait to see this. i jus hope some where down the line we get the joker again truely acted like the psycho he is the animated one especialy in return of the joker is the best joker ever hes a clown and a killer. the whole perma-smile thing in the movie jus didnt look as cool as he is in the cartoon or the comics. but i jus hope that the 2 new movies jus kick ass burton was really good but i hope someone can top him.
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I don't really want to see very specific 70's trappings, but I absolutely DO want to see that gritty urban 70's look. Flip through "Batman: Year One" and you'll see that that's very much what David Mazzuchelli was drawing anyway. Village_Idiot, your concerns are valid if Aronofsky is going to set the film explicitely in the 70's, but I'm betting he'll go for a quasi-70's look in the same way that the Batman cartoon reflects the 30's and 50's without being slavishly devoted to their specifics. Betcha that's the sort of 70's look we'll see. 70's by way of Mazzuchelli. ****** Oh, and lemme thank Buzz for bringing up Laura Petrie, Mary Tyler Moore's sexiest incarnation by far. Don't care that she's showing her years now - back in the day, she was a honey of an "o", baby! Looks, body, and a sense of humor to boot. She's my Hollywood dream goil when I finally get my time machine up and running. Her and Julia Louis-Dreyfuss.
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TPTB @ Warner will eventually pull the plug on this. Too bad, you lose. Someone above mentioned that it could've taken Young Jim Gordon's POV. It's funny that I haven't read the book in ten years , but all the things I remember are all Gordon's story. Remember, "The walls have ears, Jimmy!" BTW I loved the joint interview between Aronofsky and Oliver Stone in Premiere. Did'nt Aronofsky appear on 60 Minutes a few years ago?
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Feb 08, 2001 1:02:59 AM CST
Okay. We Got Uh...3 or 4 Votes For Laura So Far. 1 For Mary. 1 F
by buzz maverik
Thanks, Vroom Socko. I don't know what a Screaming Retina is, but you bet your ass I'm one! Also, Wesley Snipes killed me with the image of the Batmobile in a chase in San Francisco. And Cormorant, to travel through time, forget machines. Mysticism, my friend, mysticism. I've got this recipe for cooked mushrooms that will take you wherever you want to go and to a lot of places you don't.
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I second the motion of the person who said their should be a 30's bat-flick.. although I would prefer early 40's as that's when joker cam along as well as roobin I think.
Interesting thing about this 70's thing though is that it places it about the same timeframe as the original superman movie... which is, um, interesting.
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1) This is not a "scoop." The issue of CINEFANTASTIQUE with this article in it has been on the stands for a couple weeks or so now. If it had come out yesterday, it wouldn't be a "scoop." You're repeating other journalist's news.
2) BATMAN: YEAR ONE as written by Miller had the feel of no distinctive era. It also is not nearly as good as it's reputed to be. Maybe back in the day it was original, but THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS is the true Miller/Batman masterpiece. No way in HELL they'd adapt that one. Maybe it's just me, but as much as I enjoy Frank Miller's comics work, YEAR ONE was a huge disappointment.
3) The Dark Horizons web site had a link on Monday (I think) to a Reggie Bannister interview regarding PHANTASM 5. This link isn't working for me and neither is the site it's on. Anybody got any news on this?? (Yeah sequels suck, but Coscarelli and Company reveal so little about PHANTASM flicks, and I'm a big fan of the first one, that I'm interested. Sue me.)
4) REQUIEM FOR A DREAM was a well made movie. Unfortunately, two major flaws count against it: for one, Aronofsky re-uses his repetitive one shot quickly-edited shit (to show the ritual of drug abuse) that was so cool in PI. While it works in REQUIEM,I wish he'd come up with something else to illustrate the monotony of the character's drug use, as it is too similar to the migraine/pill-taking stuff in PI to make me feel any more than a director cannibalizing himself. Secondly, I've seen enough movies for one lifetime regarding how drugs can fuck up your life. If a director wants to spend a year or more on a film, why not choose something really radical? I thought REQUIEM was a well-made flick, but it's not really fresh shit, know what I mean?
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I just read an article yesterday that mentioned Freddie Prinze, Jr. was being considered for the role of BATMAN in Boaz Yakin's Batman Beyond movie. AAAGGGHHHH!!!! Now I know I'm the only guy who pretty much had faith in Freddie, just kept wondering if he'd surprise us with a suddenly stunning performance in anything other than a romantic comedy, but I went to see Head Over Heels with my girlfriend last night and... oh, god. It just sucked. Kill him, God. Please kill him now.
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Made in the late seventies based on some ancient Greek mythology about some Spartans finding themselves in the wroung place at the wroung time and fighting the whole way back to Sparta.Relocated to New York the Coney Island gang have to haul ass after being wroungly accused of killing the head gang dude at an all gang GM in central park.Brilliant! Dont miss it.
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Go to a decent comic book store and buy the collected Hectic Planet by Evan Dorkin. Or, if you can find it, get the one shot Vroom Socko: Paid in Full. This has been your comic book reccomendation of the evening. We now return you to your regularly sceduled Talkback.
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Feb 08, 2001 1:28:10 AM CST
Have I Seen THE WARRIORS? They Should Do A Sequel Called...
by buzz maverik
...THE BASEBALL FURIES. Kurt Russell, Kevin Costner and Wesley Snipes play three members of the gang who Ajax and the boys wasted in the park. They've been in comas ever since, but thanks to some kick ass physical therapy they have managed to remain muscular. That doctor from AWAKENINGS, Robin Williams being sincere, awakens them. Although they're in their 40s, they still think they're 17 year old boppers and they're out for revenge on The Warriors, all of whom have disappeared, except for a guy who was almost in THE WARRIORS (Tony Danza) except Walter Hill hired Michael Beck instead, so they go after him.
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..."The Warriors" was hilarious! How could you not love a movie with a viscious gang of mimes? And that roller-skating bathroom fight was bad-ass.
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Now make the film! >I'm not a slave to God -that doesn't exist, I'm not a slave to a world that doesn't give a shiiit<
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Feb 08, 2001 1:43:00 AM CST
Batman without schumaker and robin. . no need to talk to the but
by schwendyzgynobas
70's is fine, as long as he dont write in disco *points to butt*.. as long as 'A' man doesnt lean on mystery man as john peters does for anything that is *bends oover* from da butt.
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Okay...Wes Bentley is perfect for Bruce. Someone in the chat room today was talking about that potser Heath Ledger: this would be just about as bad as Freddie Prinze Jr. as Fred in the Scooby Doo movie. Kurt Russel would be perfect as Gordon, who obviously wouldn't be the commish at this point. Who should Bruce's love interest be? AH-HA! Trick questioN! Leave that out of the first one, wait to introduce a proper Catwoman till the second. None of this Vicki Vale/Dr. Chase Meridian bullshit. I know he's getting old, but I love Michael Gough as Alfred. And Marlon Brando as Thomas Wayne. ;-) Kidding. But I do think WWF's Edge or MARK HAMILL would be a good Joker.
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"East Bound And Down, loaded up and truckin'. We gonna do what they say cant be done. "We got a long way to go and a short time to get there. We're east bound just watch ol' Bandit run"
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It's been years since I read it and I could be mistaken, but wasn't YEAR ONE actually set in the 1970s? I seem to recall Miller's intro panels establishing the year as 1974 or so, which I found odd considering the usual timelessness of Batman. Anyone have a copy handy? If I'm right about this, everyone whining should just shut up....they're doing the source material.
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I subscribe to Cinefantastique so all you naysayers simmer down. Aronofsky isn't going to give Bruce Wayne funky sideburns or wide collar leisure suits or platform shoes...what he meant was that he's going to give the Batman film a sense of realism. The 70s comment I'm sure refers to the city ambience from that decade's cinema -- Gotham City will probably have the "look and feel" of New York City circa the 1970's...the graffiti, the subways, the tenements, etc. Which really has been the look and feel of Gotham in the comics all along. Call me a blasphemer but I never much cared for Burton and Schumacher's depiction of Gotham in the movies. Yes, they were nicely designed, but they just looked too fake to me, too "movie set"-ish. It all looked like it was filmed on a Hollywood studio lot instead of in a real city. I don't want to see matte paintings or CGI landscapes -- I want to see Batman on the roof of a real building overlooking a real dark city. Darren Aronofsky will get it right.
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"The Seven-Ups" is clearly the best film of that era, along with "The French Connection", "The Driver" and "Badge 373". I'm glad to see that "Batman: Y1" is going to be set during that time, gives it a little something extra.
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Not necessarily because Aronofsky wants to set it in the Seventies, though. What makes me worry is that it sounds like he's putting too much concious effort into making it "his" movie, and not a "Batman" movie. The word "gimmickry" is popping into my mind. Not to mention the fact that he is instantly dating the character. I wonder how the directors following up with the sequels are gonna like _having_ to make period piece flicks set in the 70's and 80's.
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And I'm in the same camp regarding the look of Gotham City. I prefer a fairly realistic, gritty Gotham City over the monolithic statues and "Blade Runner" influence of Burton's films. For the stylized look of the animated series, the art deco look works, but in the comics and on the big screen, I think Batman is more effective in a real-world setting. And aside from the 70's look of "Year One", there's also the precedent set by *actual* Batman comics in the 70's. That was really the era that cast off the shackles of all the 60's campiness, and it did it by returning Batman to his dark detective roots, right in the heart of a realistic, crime-infested city. No disrespect intended to Miller (whose stories I prefer), but Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams are probably the real reason Aronofsky is considering the urban 70's as so ideal for Batman. These guys were bringing hardboiled back to Batman long before Frank Miller even made the scene. You could consider the 70's the real era of the character's rebirth. Again, though, expect a 70's ambiance ("Bullet", "Dirty Harry", "The Godfather"), but DON'T assume Aronofsky will throw 70's pop culture in our face to date the film. Best bet is he won't.
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Dennis Farina as Commissioner Gordon. James Caviezel as Bruce Wayne. Milla Jovovich as Selena Kyle...okay, maybe I'm pushing it with Milla. But Farina and Caviezel kick everybody's asses.
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Hmmm. Batman in the Seventies? I dunno. Could be cool. As a film student I'm totally open to any news that may make comic movies that much more original and acceptable to the audience. And as a Batman fan, I'm cool with this new revelation ONLY if Aranofsky (in whom I have great trust) uses the seventies motif simply as a backdrop and NOT as a gimmick. He should play down the fact that it takes place in the seventies and not have Bruce Wayne walking around in bell-bottoms and listening to Sir Isaac Hayes on his eight track. Bruce has more important things to worry about than disco. I will accept this interesting idea as long as Aranofsky makes this a Batman movie and not a seventies movie that has Batman making a cameo in it.
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Perhaps the best and grittiest '70s cop/crime film, in my opinion, is Peter Yates' The Friends of Eddie Coyle with Robert Mitchem, Richard Jordan, Peter Boyle and Alex Rocco. If you haven't seen it, find it right away, plays on Encore every once in a while.
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Feb 08, 2001 7:29:09 AM CST
You guys go ahead, take Mary Richards/Laura Petrie...that just l
by jonquixote
I have issues
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I think if we're looking at the 70's, then the villian should be Bigfoot from The Six Million Dollar Man. I'd like to see Batman kick his furry ass.
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Feb 08, 2001 8:04:15 AM CST
With all the hallucinagens from the 70's, I'd love to see the sc
by charltonsect
yeah... i don't know...
i'm talking out my ass, but i think the gritty, 70's feel is a nice touch...
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God I hope this news Batman film incorporates the cinematic style of The French Connection. William Friedkin's documentary style would wash away the Hollywood gloss that has poisoned the Schumacher travesties. I demand gritty realism and dark, morbid images. I mean for Christ Sakes Bruce saw his parents killed infront of him. He has got to be slightly unhinged.
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what the FUCK? he read this in a magazine! how does this qualify HIM for being a scooper? rat bastard didn't even buy it, he just read it in the store. Maybe I should email harry everytime i pick up a newspaper. As for batman in the 70s,I don't care, as long as its GOOD.
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Feb 08, 2001 8:40:13 AM CST
"Who's the Bat that won't cop-out, when there's danger all about
by pepperseed
YOO DAMN STRAIGHT! No, I know, Batman's got these tickets for Aerosmith....
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Feb 08, 2001 9:39:04 AM CST
Batman should fight Warren Beatty's character from the_end_ of '
by pepperseed
I love that movie, that was a classic seventies movie, conspiracies up the wazoo, and a great score. I can still see the slide show...
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In rebuttal to Kikstad and Cormorant, I think it's possible to go overboard on the verisimilitude, especially in dealing with the story of a man in grey tights jumping around buildings. The story would never be able to fall into a superhero convention (a convention, incidentally, that is rarely portrayed satisfactorally), where the focus of the story is placed on the struggle between the hero and villian, and the absurdity of the costume and other trappings are eventually forgotten. Basically, I would not like to see the Batman persona reduced the level of Travis Bickle's mohawk (arguably, Bickle's costume). If the tone of the film is too realistic, or even just trades/combines one genre's conventions (comics) for another's (70's crime drama), the direction descibed above may result. Or to avoid to avoid those difficulties, Batman may wind up in a leather outfit with a small bat insignia over his breast pocket. ***** And yes, Mary Richards was originally a widow (I believe James L. Brooks wanted to make her a divorcee, but at that time, divorce was considered too taboo), but that status eventually fell away like Richie Cunningham's older brother Chuck.
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I must say that a Laverene & Shirley three-way is the only way to go. I mean what was Laverne really trying to tell everyone with that big L on her chest.
I have got to gets me some boo-boo kitty.
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The comic book story Batman Year One was written with the seventies in mind because DC was doing a complete overhaul of their comic universe timeline. In 1986 DC Comics came out with Crisis on Infinite Earths a 12 issue mini series that got rid of all of DC's parallel universes, alternate Earth's, and different dimensions. In response to this DC hired a bunch of creators to do overhauls in their major characters origins. Since they felt Batman's, with the death of his parents and shit was so good they decided to do a story on something that wasn't done before;
namely the first few months of Batman's crime fighting career when he wasn't the bad ass we all know him as.
So if the DC universe's relaunch date is 1986 and in 1986 they said Batman was about 32 years old then all you have to do is figure out how old Batman was in Year One to get the date Year One happened. And since they said that Batman left home at 16 to seek out different masters in the arts of hand-to-hand combat and detective skills and came back home around 23 that puts the date of Year One at around 1977.
Personally as a huge Batman fan I think this is the best move they could have made for the franchise. Its opens up a ton of potential since this era of Batman's life was never really fleshed out. I really liked this project when they said it was going to be a series on the WB, but if its going to be a movie oh well. As long as they do not have freddie prinze Jr, Matthew Lillard, Casper Van Diem, those two dumbasses from Dawson's Creek,
or Ryan Phillipe, I think it would go pretty good.
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Keep in mind that YEAR ONE appeared in 1987 with an extant timeline of 'ten years ago' (not explicit in the text, but fitting with DC's timeline as revised by 1986's CRISIS) -- that would place the seting of the comic as having been the late seventies. Actually, if you look at the way the Batman comics were done in that time period (the Englehart era and such), there's really no silliness -- any decades has many facets. The only Disco Bat we're bound to see is if Shumacher ever makes his way back. A bit of stylistic hinting of the seventies, as the book did with a touch of fashion and city and automotive design would add quite a bit, I'd think. That hint of other-timeness is essential for conveying the 'past tense' of the work (whether it invalidates the 'later' movies already done is not necessarily relevant -- the public still sees Batman as established in their mind's eye, so any YEAR ONE is bound to be a 'past tense' movie for many...)
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I never liked the hyperartificial soundstage look of the earlier Batman flicks -- maybe it's a matter of taste, where some people like to be completely immersed in a stylized, fantastical world, and others get off on the "super" quality of superheroes, namely their contrast with mundane humanity. I go with the latter. What makes superheroes work for me is precisely the fact that they *don't* fit in with the real world. I mean, when you have a freakish character in a freakish world, it ironically plays down the freakishness by making it seem normal. Yeah, I could easily see Batman operating in the Gotham City of previous Batflicks, but that's not a plus in my book. The whole point of Batman, for me, is that the guy is NUTS. He's a freak. He stands out like a 500 foot tall sore thumb. Putting him in an unrealistic fantasy world just takes that strangeness away from him. What I'm thinking of here is SUPERMAN -- another superhero movie that was firmly set in the real world, but it worked -- much of the impact of the film is simply in how weird and unusual it is for a guy to be throwing city buses around like packs of cigarettes. Or think of certain scenes in BLADE, the ones that had the kind of gritty, almost 70's feel that maybe Aronofsky's going for with YEAR ONE. Remember the scene where Blade jumps out the window and soars onto the adjacent rooftop? That scene kicked my ass, because it wasn't some stylized bizarro city he was flying through, but a real building in a recognizably real city. For me, it totally gave me that "holy sh*t" factor that was always missing in the Batman movies. So I'm all for the realism.
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I think Aronofsky should direct Grant Morrison and Karen Berger's graphic novel "Arkham Asylum," which depicts every one of Batman's villains in a very dark, twisted light. With the Joker releasing all the inmates on April Fool's Day and taking the staff hostage.
It adds so much more depth to these bad guys we grew up with - making them realistic sociopaths with real psychological problems vs. their comic book two-dimensional past.
Thoughts?
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Feb 08, 2001 11:11:41 AM CST
Comedian Is Right. The Baseball Furies Should Meet The Grammercy
by buzz maverik
The only flaw with the Warriors is that we didn't get to see the Warriors waste the Rogues at the end. The fight would start with an off screen voice yelling, "You ain't starting this without me!" And Ajax, escaped from police custody charges in as another voice says, "Or me!" and Cleon, who somehow survived having a million gang members dogpile on him, charges in from the other direction. Swan stomps Luther, etc.
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There are too many characters to introduce to the viewing public in Arkham Asylum for it to work on screen. I would prefer to see something like The Killing Joke, which is, I think, one of the best Bat stories ever. Of course poor old Barbara gets hurt, but the story is one of the most pivotal and defining moments of the Bat universe.
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Look, not only am I pleased that a Batman movie is in the works that might FINALLY do it right, but the mere fact that it's gonna be set in a decade when there were some outrageously good tunes being written should give the movie a kickass soundtrack.
Put that combination together with a gritty Frank Miller inspired script and hopefully a look into Batman's origins (for once!!), then we should see a movie that delivers intense martial arts action, too. You know, that part has always freaking amazed me...here we have THE martial arts king of the comics universe, and so far we've yet to actually see the Batman in any serious action in the movies! All the while, people flip out over Matrix and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.....well, can you just imagine how cool a 70's urban dark knight flick could be with Mother's Finest kicking out a background beat while he whoops some ass on 10 guys in a shadowy alley.....
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Will it work? Who knows, but I agree that the artwork in Year One doesn't reflect any one era. However, I can see where Aronofsky gets the 70s feeling from. I like the idea of the story being told from Gordon's POV, but I doubt that WB would let it fly. Like the other posters, I fear WB freaking and taking Aronofsky from the helm. Keep your finger's crossed! Btw, seeing Bruce Wayne at a psuedo-Studio 54 would be hilarious. I always associate Marvel with the 70s, but I hope at the least he keeps it to light and doesn't rely to heavily on that period.
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You have to be joking me. So what is Batman gonna ride around in his '76 Lincoln and have a Leather sport coat bell bottoms and have really big hair. Oh and i guess the soundtrack will be really bad disco!!! Come on the seventies sucked ass!!!
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Feb 08, 2001 12:01:53 PM CST
Jack's Balls Has Excellent Taste In Movies; Plus, Since I Have O
by buzz maverik
I'm doing the Watchmen. So far, only you guys know about it. Not even the producers or the studio or anybody knows. Talk about a scoop. I'll direct, shooting like Oliver Stone style, kind of like NATURAL BORN KILLERS or THE DOORS or especially JFK. It won't be a straight forward adaption, sorry, fanboys, but you'll love it anyway. I want Talkbacker Comedian to be my cinematographer. I'm going to call Superninja's agent about getting her to cast the thing. Who wants to write it? Two points of criteria 1)you have to be able to write and b)you have to be able to put with me, which means each every one of you here will probably get to do a little writing on the sucker before I fire you (I'm from the Oliver Stone/James Cameron/Bryan Singer school of brilliant screaming prick directors).
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Year One reflected different timeframes: the 70's, the 50's, the 30's, in a mix that is unique to that universe. To tie it down to a specific timeframe in our universe would be limiting.
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Yeah, I know Joker's not in Y1 (although gordon mentions him poisoning the city's reservoir at the end). But if they ever did bring the Joker back, I think Benicio would nail it. Nicholson's Joker was too overwraught, NOT SCARY, and the forced-smile make-up just looked wrong. Benicio could do a psycho that you actually believe exists, rather than a campy killer clown. The Joker done right should be as cool and seductively evil as Hannibal Lecter.
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should make you want to hide under your seat. As the Trickster puts it in Underworld Unleashed, "When villains want to scare each other they tell Joker stories." The Joker is the ultimate in insanity. He does anything and everything just because it amuses him at the time. His laugh should be nightmare, his smile a deaths-head rictus. He should have the same effect on the audience as being suddenly caught in headlights that are approaching at high speed and getting faster instead of slowing down. That, to me, is the Joker. He is most emphatically not a seductive or alluring figure.
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Feb 08, 2001 1:16:44 PM CST
The Joker should be bald, fat, alluring, harbouring misogynistic
by jonquixote
Oh wait, I'm confused...
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Feb 08, 2001 1:22:42 PM CST
Hey Harry, I read in the newspaper that Hannibal opens in theatr
by jonquixote
And someone told me that yes, Hannibal Lector makes an appearance in the movie. Please credit JonQuixote with this scoop.
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I would actually prefer him for Captain America. But Aronofsky definitely said that he will be older than in the original Year: One storyline. I think Benicio would make a terrific Joker. Still favor Viggo Mortenson as Jim Gordon.
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Shouldn't be too tough, since it's already written so wonderfully and I trust you're committed to maintaining the integrity of the comic. And I'll even throw in some pornography, just to keep the kiddies interested! *** This month's Wizard casts the Year One movie, and, as usual, they do their typical braindead job. Still, they do suggest Kevin Spacey as Jim Gordon, which sounds cool; too bad he's playing Lex in my Superman movie. Maybe it's not the most original suggestion, but Guy Pearce did a pretty good job playing an honest cop floating in a sea of corruption, so I'll nominate him, and await the chorus of groans and insults. But I don't think you're going to do better than Wes Bentley for young(er) Bruce Wayne. Period.
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But it'll have the feel of the 70's. Know what I mean? Batman doesn't take place in any real time. No comic really does. They have time frames, like Bruce has been Batman for like eleven or twelve years, making him something like 37 (He's 25/26 in year one). So, I doubt you'll see a date of the 70's. I think the feel that Arronofsky is going for is the same feel that Miller had in the comic. A Batman film with the style of the great crime dramas of the 70's, such as the French Connection, Taxi Driver, and Serpico. That gritty, ugly, and dirty new noir film, with that overtly evil New York, or in this case Gotham. A city that needs a great flood to wash away all the scum, dirt, and junkies and pimps. A city that bleeds corruption. That's the year one you're gonna get, not "That 70's Batman"
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Anyone who could play Captain America is just wrong for Batman. The Dark Knight needs to appear grim and driven. He certainly suffers from obsessive-compulsive disorder, and is arguably as insane as any of his foes. Johnny Depp could do a pretty good job, I think, providing he bulks up for it. Travolta could do the job too, but is too old for a 'year one' Batman. The Joker... Hard one. Much harder than Batman. Very few actors can do genuine wall-to-wall madness convincingly. I'd have to go with Kevin Spacey on this one. It's a bit outside his normal range, but he has a lot of talent and could probably convince. Catwoman has to be sensual rather than just built, which precludes a fair number of actresses. Actually, I'm stumped on this one. Ideas, anyone?
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Feb 08, 2001 2:53:01 PM CST
Okay, Sleazy G. Is Hired. Don't Feel Bad, Jon Quixote, I'll Hire
by buzz maverik
Sleazy sounds like he knows what a director is looking for. And he's right about me filming MR. CROWLEY'S AMERICAN DREAM before THE WATCHMEN. I'll have him do onset rewrites for CROWLEY while I yell at the actors. Also, I think that Talkbacker CoopCooper is a film student and probably knows how to work an editing machine instead of the 2 VCR trick, so I'll try to get him to edit the sucker. But Sleazy sounds like he understand how I work, so he does the first draft. I'd do it myself, but for some reason whenever a writer starts directing, he starts hiring people to write, so who the hell am I to buck the trend? And Jon Q., I will do an excellent job on the comic although it will hardly be a page by page adaption. It's gonna be a trip. Different film speeds. Split screen. Multiple POV. Playing with structure and time. Animation. The pirate comic is gone. Replaced with a superhero comic so the mainstream audience will be reminded of their view of superheroes, in contrast with Rorshach dropping people down elevator shafts. I'm not a violence nut. It'll be like the comic in that it'll seem more violent than it really is. Also, Sleazy, can you write in a lot of different styles? Some people say there is no style in screenwriting, but I haven't hired them, have I? The writing style of the script should fit the style I'm gonna shoot. Capice?
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Batman may be nuts, but he's not THAT nuts. His desire to don the cape and cowl is driven by his need to protect others from the very thing he suffered as a child. It just so happens Gotham is a particularly dark and ugly city, and that it transforms him. He becomes obsessed because it's the only way he can survive and continue his mission. Batman is logical, methodical, a DETECTIVE that works outside of the law. Jim Gordon and others view his as nuts, but it's because they don't understand that he has reached beyond human means and become superhuman. Batman is one of the most tragic comic book characters ever, IMHO. Too bad they got Jackman for Wolverine...he would've made a good Batman.
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Batman is indeed a tragic figure. He has never properly come to terms with the death of his parents, and never will. His psyche was permanently damaged, as anyone's would be, and he fights back against that in the only way he knows. The young Bruce channelled all of his incredible willpower and undoubted genius into creating the ultimate answer to the death of his parents - a champion of life. Nonetheless, the scars in his psyche go deeper yet. He is incapable of forming any kind of proper adult relationship, nor of forming true and lasting friendships outside of his role as Batman. If 'Superman' is a costume worn by Clark Kent, so 'Bruce Wayne' is a costume worn by Batman. That is not healthy. But the difference between Batman and his rogue's gallery is that he controls and focuses his madness into positive ends, whereas their madness controls them. What is genius after all, but controlled insanity?
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Little did you know, but due to a copyright snafu, Kevin McClory actually won the right to make a separate Watchmen movie, provided that there are few references to the Pirate Comic, the filming takes place after 1999, and the character of Nite Owl is spelled correctly. McClory has been trying to recruit me to take over scriptwriting duties, and, in light of your most ingracious snub, I feel compelled to accept. In a casting coup, Sean Connery has already agreed to play The Comedian, and final negotiations are being held with Tim Robbins and Ed Norton, for the roles of Ozymandias and Rorschach, respectively. Good luck with your split-screen, multiple angle version, Burroughs inspired version...I hear the last movie inspired by our favorite heroin-ravage post-modernist was a real success.
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Sounds like an ok idea. Better than anything Joel Schumacher could come up with thats for sure. Now I see there are some people who say Frank Miller's Batman Year One sucked. All I can say to those people is....Does Frank Miller go to where your mom works and slap the dick out her mouth? No so I don't think you should down a perfecttly good book. That book was the best next to Dark Knight. And damn I didn't know there were so many fans of the Warriors. I love the movie myself. Too bad it never comes on anymore. Anyway since Year One the book was really set in the 70's I don't don't see why this approach couldn't work. As long as I don't see Alfred wearin' bell bottoms and sportin' side burns....then we got a problem.
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I'll do the Fantastic Four! It's 1972, and you just know Paul Newman is going to make a great Reed Richards, and damn if Raquel Welch wouldn't look good in unstable molecules, so she gets to be the Invisible Girl. A young Kurt Russel, trying to break out of his Disney image, is enlisted to play young hothead Johnny Storm, and, predating their team-up in the Towering Inferno, Steve McQueen as Benjamin Grimm, our ever-loving blue-eyed thing And if Charlton Heston can play a Mexican, he certainly can play the world's best known Latverian, so he's my Dr. Doom! Our director needs some special effects scope, so we're going to go with Richard Fleischer, who could fit it in between Fantastic Voyage and Soylent Green.
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When I was thinking of directors for FF, it occured to me that John Frankenheimer would make an AWESOME Captain America movie! Robert Redford as Steve Rogers, Robert Shaw as Nick Fury, Kirk Douglas hamming it up as The Red Skull, Angela Lansbury as Arnimia Zola, and Faye Dunaway making a sexy, sexy Sharon Carter! Waking from his cryogenic slumber in 1974, America's favorite supersoldier has to stop the Skull from resurrecting a decades old plot to replace the American President with an incompetant buffoon. But he awakens too late!
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But let's extend it. I for one can't keep straight who was active in what era, and it's a bit unfair to the younger posters, so I'm going to go for anyone in cinema history who might fit the bill. Taken at the right age, of course. Same with the comics. *** I'll start with Britain's top comic - 2000AD. But only characters Americans will have heard of, don't worry. Judge Joseph Dredd - Clint Eastwood; Judge Cassandra Anderson - Rebecca De Mornay; Judge Barbara Hershey - I rather liked Diane Lane, actually. Looked the part. *** Superman - Burt Lancaster; Batman - Kirk Douglas *** The New Mutants: Illyana/Magik - Anna Kournikova; Bobby/Sunspot - Pele; er, OK, I give up on this one. The rest are giving me serious trouble. *** Captain America - Christian Slater (with Maureen O'Hara as Diamondback); Black Panther - Laurence Fishburne; Shang Chi, master of Kung Fu - Bruce Lee *** That's enough for now. Way too good a game, this ideal casting lark.
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Yeah, the ending was a bit sharpish, but I think maybe that was the point. Of course, I haven't seen it since before I became a proper armchair critic, so I might regard the ending differently the next time I see it. It's definately still my favourite Pakula movie, ATPM coming second. Though, thinking back on it calls to mind that grainy footage from Bobby Kennedy's final headache-inducing visit to L.A. So in that respect, The parralax View does it's job, and still manages to critique itself, and the whole cinematic and visual medium with that fantastic brainwash-slideshow sequence. All in all, one of the better movies of that genre, other notables would be 'Blow-Out'(De Palma), and 'The conversation'(Coppola). I was kinda Hoping 'Enemy of the State' would let itself get as paranoid as Parralax or The Conversation, but it copped out in an entertaining but predictable way. We need more of these movies, but ones that rely on tension and taut suspense, instead of those hands-free microphones and tiny TV sets which studio execs seem to think is the be-all and end-all of spying and conspiracy "stuff". Oh, and I liked "Klute" too, cuz Jane Fonda was so damn hot!
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Richard Roundtree as Cage. I was going to throw that one into my FF post, but figured it'd be too easy!
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Get on Napster and download this song from the Movie, This is the Score....This will get you going...
"Summer Overture"
Or
"Hope Overture"
My God this movie kicked ass!!
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The more i think about it, you're right. Jim Brown is a far better Luke Cage than Roundtree. There I go, getting in trouble with those kneejerk reactions I warn so many others about. DAREDEVIL: JonVoight (Matt Murdoch), Ned Beatty (Foggy Nelson), Marthe Keller (Elektra), Orson Wells (Kingpin). Jack (Bullseye). Hey, maybe I never learn, but Wouldn't Warren Beatty or Burt Reynolds make a far better Green Arrow than Bruce Dern?
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and Daredevil directed by Lumet or Friedkin, of course.
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1974, CAPTAIN MARVEL,(pronounced Mar-Vell) Directed by Steven Spielberg. Starring David Bowie as Mar-Vell, Farrah Fawcett as Ms. Marvel, and Paul Le Mat as Rick Jones.
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I remember when a director had to do more than throw in some flashy editing to be considered talented. I think people should start trusting their instincts more and stop responding to something, like requim for a dream, cause they think they should like it. Come on, requime for a dream had all the depth of gummy bear, i get it drugs are bad, lets see how low these characters can sink! No imagination. No sense of humour. Wes Anderson or David Fincher he is not.
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but I was rather young in 1970. Born, yes, but not by much. Restricting your game to that era makes it very hard for me.
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I was born in '77, I'm still able to play!
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...so says a report on Dark Horizons. Jeeez, That'd really suck blue veined moose you-know-what.
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Please tell me this isn't true! C'mon, Aronofsky -- you were doing good so far. Dark Horizons has a report from an Aussie mag saying Cage is the frontrunner. Say it ain't so!!!! He's starting to look almost as desperate as Freddie Prinz, Jr.
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This guy humps the leg of every superhero project that comes to town. Someone should tell Cage to get over it. He could be a good Joker, but probably wouldn't because Cage hasn't played an original character in years. He is no longer a character actor -- he shed that in favor of a big movie career as a slack-jawed Jimmy Stewart clone. Can you tell I don't like the guy?
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Feb 09, 2001 11:53:51 AM CST
Why do you guys and gals trust Australian and British and French
by kikstad
...when you know that they all talk out of their asses regarding Hollywood product? And their idea of journalistic standards (i.e. factual research to verify a story) is "if you hear it on the Internet, it must be true." The Nic Cage rumor is nothing but that...a very bad rumor. Cage has been linked to EVERY SINGLE superhero adaptation in the last few years, from Superman to Ironman to Batman to god knows who else. The guy wants to do a superhero flick, but believe me, Batman: Year One will NOT be it. You folks gotta wise up. I can understand believing certain gossip and rumors that actually SOUND plausible, but this is pure caca. Repeat after me: if it looks like crap, and talks like crap, and walks like crap, and smells like crap, then it is nothing but CRAP. Peace out. Trust Aronofsky, you Naysayers of Doom.
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I can't say I dislike Nic Cage, but I doubt I will ever look at him again without laughing. *** Comedian, I honestly thought you would be older. A lot of your points of reference I would not expect from a twenty-something. *** I agree that British newspapers often get it wrong when it comes to films - and not just Hollywood either. On a slow news day they will run anything, no matter how obviously silly, especially if they can print pictures of pretty girls with it. 'Lots of pictures of women on pages 1-20; War in Middle East in small paragraph on page 21.' Sad, isn't it?
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My last post just went in at the top when it should be at the bottom. Drat.
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Nic Cage as a Jimmy Stewart clone? Huh? That whirring sound you hear is Jimmy spinning in his grave. One Capra-esque movie does not a Stewart clone make; we don't consider James Belushi a Jimmy Stewart clone just because he made Mr. Destiny. If Cage has been emulating anybody career-wise, it's been Pacino.***That said, I don't think Cage is that horrible an actor. He is, however, a horrible overactor, and is fast becoming a parody of himself. I don't think he's the type of actor who can't pick his material though, and is forced to accept whatever the studio throws at him. That's just silly. However, he won't be Batman, not in this flick, not in the next one.*** I loved Fight Club. Loved the book, loved the movie. It didn't 'change my life', but I found it smart, well-acted, and fun to look at. Nothing wrong with MTV tricks, as long as they enhance the movie, as opposed to being the crux of it, a la The Cell. And I think Fincher would direct a great Batman movie, though I'm happy with Aronofsky, even if I've yet to see Requiem and thought Pi was average at best.
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Feb 09, 2001 2:48:25 PM CST
Now We Come To The Easiest Part of Being A Filmmaker. Firing Wri
by buzz maverik
Sleazy G., it's been a good run, but the romance comic angle is a no-go (I heard Steven Norrington got the rights to that). Not to worry, you'll probably be rehired late into filming to try to salvage the thing at a high cost to the production. I am now hiring Jon Quixote. However, due to his post responding to me hiring Sleazy G. first, I am now firing him. He too will be rehired after it's too late. Okay, now, which one of you guys wants the job of writing the screenplay for my WATCHMAN movie?
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Oh well, I guess I can always get a job writing Alf 2001 to support my habit.
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How about "The Avengers"
as directed by Martin Scorceses?
(I am not sure on all my Avengers
characters from the 70's. Feel free to correct me)
Anyway here is goes:
Iron Man - Jason Miller (Father Karras from Exorcist)
Vision - Leonard Nimoy
Thor - Robert Duval.
Captain America - Robert Redford/Christopher Reeve.
Scarlet Witch - Nastasha Ninksi/Jane Seymour.
Wasp - Jane Fonda/Britt Eckland.
YellowJacket - Michael Moriarity.
Hawkeye - Harrison Ford/Dirk Benedict.
Quicsilver - Charlton Heston/Max Von Sydow.
Wonder Man - Jack Palance.
The Beast - Burt Reynolds/George Peppard.
Falcon - Billy Dee Williams.
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That is, I haven't exposed myself to most of it, so any casting ideas I have would feature people everyone is familiar with and would therefore be innacurate and boring. But I'll try. The Avengers. Captain America - Steve McQueen. Scarlett Witch -Jaclyn Smith. Hawkeye - Dennis Hopper. Quicksilver - unknown actor Jeremy Irons. Enchantress - Faye Dunaway. Skurge - Arnold Swartzenegger (in a limited speaking role). Loki - Anthony Hopkins. Moondragon - Persis Khambatta (Star Trek: TMP). Sir Lawrence Olivier as Odin. Leonary Nimoy as Immortus. And Frank Sinatra as himself. Written by Oliver Stone. Directed by Dino De Laurentis. Special effects by Harryhausen. Plot? The Masters of Evil meet the alien Moondragon who teams up with them in the hopes of finding the perfect man. Luring the Avengers into limbo, the Enchantress' spell backfires, and Immortus punishes them by trapping them all in different moments of Earth's history. The heroes and villains have to work together to return to their proper time without disrupting the time stream.
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Feb 09, 2001 8:45:26 PM CST
Ever since Boogie Nights every peice of crap thing that comes al
by arcturus
Gotta go with the 1940's here, bub.
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Feb 09, 2001 9:05:10 PM CST
Creative Differences Resolved. Since I'm Gonna Hire More Writers
by buzz maverik
Sleazy G. can write the Rorshach, Comedian and Ozymandius stuff and Jon Quixote can write the Nite Owl, Silk Spectre and Dr. Manhattan stuff. I'll write the fake comic and Minuteman stuff myself. The funny thing is, this is more like real filmmaking than most people think.
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Feb 09, 2001 9:14:55 PM CST
Okay, Here's My 70s Cast For The ALL NEW, ALL DIFFERENT X-MEN.
by buzz maverik
Cyclops: Richard Gere. Marvel Girl: Annette O' Toole. Storm: Debbie Allen. Colossus: an unknown named Arnold Schwarzeneggar. Nightcrawler: Rutger Hauer. Banshee: Robert Shaw. Wolverine: Harvey Keitel. Thunderbird: Tom "Billy Jack" Maclaughlin. Professor X: Yul Brynner. Magneto: Lawrence Olivier.
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I want to see Batman with a curly 'fro sippin' on colt 45 with Billie D on the corner before he dashes off to save the day with his bat-logoed pick!
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...was actually the first choice for "The Incredible Hulk" but, decided to pass on the part to appear as Jaws in The Spy Who Loved Me. Then the part went to Lou Ferrigno. Just some mindless Trivia for ya'll.
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Obligitory Moronic Casting: Arnold Schwarzenegger as Captain America, Sean Connery as Iron Man, Richard Dreyfuss as Ant-Man, Audrey Hepburn as Scarlett Witch, Ned Beatty as the Hulk and Roseanne Barr as the Wasp. Word up.
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Feb 09, 2001 11:11:17 PM CST
This is the funniest, most creative talkback in ages
by dr. sid schaefer
Ok, how about this: The Fantastic Four, circa 1966. Starring: James Arness as Reed Richards, Jean Seberg as Sue Richards, Dan Blocker as Ben Grimm, and Christopher Jones (Wild in the Streets) as Johnny Storm. Also starring James Mason as the voice of the nefarious Dr. Doom. It would, of course, have a kick-ass soundtrack featuring The Electric Prunes, The Music Machine, The Standells, The Chocolate Watchband, Arthur Lee and Love, The Remains and any other psych/garage band you
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Just a thought.
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We'll start with two Warriors. Michael Beck for Bruce Wayne/Batman. James Remar for the Joker. Martin Sheen for Comissioner Gordon. Nastassia Kinski for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Tanner from THE BAD NEWS BEARS for Robin.
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...in the JAY & SILENT BOB article, I am so impressed that I have decided to fire myself and hire him to also write the Minutemen and fake comic part of THE WATCHMEN as well as Dr. Manhattan, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl parts. This guy knows the written word. (Ooops, slipped out of filmmaker persona there for a second. Everybody knows filmmakers have no respect for written word. Hope nobody notices.)
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How can you fire me? After all we've been through together. I was there when you lost your virginity, man, and I didn't even laugh. Well, not as much as the chick did anyway! I was the one who told you to get that bee tattoo. How was I to know those were pre-used needles? I was the one who lead you to that peyote field in Mexico. Thank God those kindly vultures finally came along and started pecking at us or we'd have never left. Fine! Hire your Sleazy Quixotes! Stab your own Psychic Fugue State in the back!
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I just about pissed myself laughing at Buzz's "Screw you Buzz" talkback. Thank god for pull-ups. But all these proposed 70's X-Men castings, and not a single vote for De Niro or Gibson as Wolverine? strange things a happenin' here.
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I seem to remember complimenting you in the past too. Did you think I was hitting on you? Seriously Comedian, if we can't ALL be nice to each other every once in a while, what is the point? I have said that you are one of the best and most incisive posters. I meant it then, I mean it now. You have a great and obvious love of, and knowledge of film and the art of film making. This is all true. Does it mean I want you to mother my children? I'm afraid not. I do not insult other posters, but I do compliment them on occasion. It is part of my nature. Superninja's comment struck me completely out of left field, and I liked it. So I said so. And by the way, how do you know I'M not a girl pretending to be a guy? Just curious...
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but you're not as funny as Buzz, who really is in a class of his own!
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Feb 10, 2001 11:35:10 AM CST
The Next Time One Of You Guys Is Picking Up On A Punkette Barmai
by buzz maverik
...hire her to be the music supervisor on my WATCHMAN movie. I want new bands with music that is evocative of the characters without literally being about them. I've found that women are generally hipper than men, especially in these areas and especially if they're punk barmaids. See, I listen to Led Zepplin and Tom Petty and not much else myself so I wouldn't know where to start. Who knows? It may work for ya better than telling her you can get her a screen test.
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Feb 10, 2001 11:55:33 AM CST
Elliot, I just want you to know that I appreciate your posts. Y
by jonquixote
uh, so, like are you busy Wednesday night?
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I would not come here so often if I felt I was alone though. In most of the talkbacks I read there are a lot of decent and intelligent people - including yourself - who have interesting points to make and knowledge to share. The internet is a truly global community, and it always seems strange to me that so many of us interact by swearing and name-calling, which never advances a single argument or proves a single point. At the end of the day, we are all hoping to 'talk' with other people who share our interests. This site IS a 'chat box,' just a slow motion one.
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You are The Comedian but... OK, it probably wasn't a very good play on words, but I thought you'd get it. I know Eddie Blake never made jokes, and your name is derived from him, but even so... Back to the drawing board I guess.
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...then from behind the postbox, bounded a great shaggy beast, with the wetest nose and most stoned eyes. Dulux Dog some called him but he preferred name Hairy. Young and carefree or old and careless nobody could tell, but his naive and joyfull approach to the wiry mongrels stirred among them a curiosity and apprehension. "How about a 70's Jack Nicholson as Wolverine?" barked Hairy from beneath a myriad of too much hair. "a psychodelic take on weapon-X directed by Copola; insane, straight from the set of Apocalypse Now. Or how about Steve Buscemi as Superman directed by Woody Allen...." sudden ominous glares from the pack stopped Hairy's words. "hey screw ya rules" the furball quipped and arrogantly shuffled off. Pausing only to piss on the postbox before bounding out of sight, seemingly ignorant to the response of the pack. As soon as Hairy had left the scene the pack all rushed to the postbox. They sniffed the piss and smilled, for the piss stunk of respect!!................chill freaks
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I have to say I think this is one of the coolest ideas I've heard in years. Of course it would have to be done right. But a 70's era Batman? Set in the same world as the French Connection or The Seven Ups or The Driver? I mean, if it followed Year One (nostalgic just thinking about it) and didn't get mucked up by over editing? See you watch Dirty Harry or Eddie Coyle and you think how sad they literally don't make movies like that anymore. Maybe Heat was the closest thing. And that son of a bitch Aronofsy has figured out a way to do it! But but but...let's hope he keeps it subtle, tough, and gritty. We are talking about an era and a type of film I adore and I think he might just get it. At least I hope so. The 70's seem perfect because it was an age of slow disillusionment. Also, year one certainly had that feel so I think he is a smart reader of it. Well at last they have a real comic fan making a real comic book movie. We'll see. But for the moment I can't get it out of my head. It bodes well...And oh yeah, the TB's have been hilarious. loved Buzz Maverick's 70's X-men!
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First, we'll need a compound somewhere out of the way like Tierra Del Fuego, Haiti (where I could obtain some of the zombie's cucumber) or Brentwood. Because we're dedicated to peace and love, we'll need a stockpile of weapons, especially Purdey shotguns custom made to fit me. A skeet range and walk in humidor would also help our spiritual awareness. I think the datura root, boiled with some desert lizards, will make an excellent sacrament, along with Cuban cigars, Heinekin, Stoli, Wild Turkey and the worms at the bottom of Mescal bottles. All my followers should have to call me Big Daddy or something. Not that I've ever thought about any of this before. That would be weird.
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Feb 11, 2001 3:49:17 PM CST
As a couple others have pointed out, they aren't SETTING it in t
by daredevil
...they're wanting to give it the gritty, realistic FEEL of 70s movies. Personally, I think that's the perfect way to go. Burton was on the right track with the dark, gritty feel, but of course Burton does the fanciful, surreal settings. Batman needs to have that realistic connection, especially in the street-level interaction (which there is a lot of in any Batman story.) Just check out some of the Batman stories written in the 70s, they're some of the best. We're talking about Ra's Al Ghul, Batman's biggest villain after the Joker! I would have loved to have a Punisher movie made in the Dirty Harry style (anyone watched Dolph's movie recently? It smacks so baddly of 80s action.) Oh, and I'd love to have a 70s street-level New York feel to the Daredevil movie when (or IF) it gets made.
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Comedian, I'm pretty sure that the universe you spoke of was a pocket universe created by a young boy of two superhuman parents. In this pocket universe, Burt Reynolds and Sissey Spacek played Han Solo and Princess Leia, Tom Selleck went on to further his career as Indiana Jones. All the while George Lazenby became the actor to play James Bond the longest, with a whopping 8 films. Then after a brief hiatus, he was hired by Spielberg to play the part of Indy's father. Oh yeah...also in this pocket universe, Joe Maderuira doesn't have a Playstation, ergo he was able to crank Battle Chasers on time, thus becoming a comics legend akin to Stan Lee and revitilizing comics as an art.
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Feb 11, 2001 8:23:31 PM CST
I'm Calling My Cult Socialstudiestology. Our Headquarters Is An
by buzz maverik
Now we need some celebrities to become followers. I'm thinking Matt Damon because he's got a future and doesn't seem very religious. Also, Stallone who is in need of a career makeover. And buy my book DIAHARDICS. Say, now that Tom and Nicole have broken up, maybe we can get her!
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but I love Austin Powers. The man is too funny for words, baby. I think the English divide about 50-50 on him (if my friends are any indication) between love and hate. Nobody is indifferent, that's for sure. Oh, and if I took myself all that seriously, would I even respond to your posts? Wouldn't I be off in a huff somewhere? Just something you might consider. See you on the next comics talkback...
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Where can I purchase this Diahardics oh leader?
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