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Guess Who's NOT Playing Willy Wonka'!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Good lord... one piece of absolute hogwash shows up in the NY POST and the whole world goes crazy.
MARILYN MANSON IS NOT PLAYING WILLY WONKA!! Got it? Tim Burton is also not directing the film. Tim Burton is busy with PLANET OF THE APES and is in talks for another genre piece that I'll hopefully be able to announce in the next few days. He's not anywhere near the Wonka project.
As for Manson, whattaya want? First, just reason it through. CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY is one of the surest children's projects aside from HARRY POTTER that Warner Bros. owns. This is the studio that recently cut BATMAN BEYOND on home video, keep in mind. Why would they hire the Antichrist to play the lead in the film? Short answer: they wouldn't. I don't blame Manson for trying... the guy's practically stalking WONKA by this point. He recorded a track for his PORTRAIT OF AN AMERICAN FAMILY album called "Prelude (The Family Trip)" with some oddly familiar lyrics:
"There's no earthly way of knowing/Which direction we are going/There's no knowing where we're going/Or which way the wind is blowing/Is it raining? Is it snowing/Is a hurricane a-blowing?/Not a speck of light is showing/So the danger must be growing/Oh, the fires of hell are glowing/Is the grisly reaper mowing/Yes! The danger must be growing/For the rowers keep on rowing/And they're certainly not showing/Any signs that they are slowing!/Stop the boat!"
That's as cool a WONKA reference as naming your band Veruca Salt. It's obvious that many people have been deeply influenced by the film and the original Roald Dahl novel CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY.
Those people would presumably include Gary (PLEASANTVILLE) Ross and Scott (OUT OF SIGHT) Frank, two pretty damn talented guys who have already signed a deal to direct and adapt CHARLIE. We've been following this project's rather deliberate pace through development, last talking about it in this article in March of last year. 4Filmmakers.Com, one of the best resource sites out there, still lists Ross and Frank as being attached. Hell, Scott Frank was talking about the project last week at the Writer's Guild when he made an appearance there. He's just been so swamped with Spielberg's MINORITY REPORT that he couldn't get to it. Nothing's changed... and they certainly haven't hired a lead.
I've got calls in to the offices at Warner, so we'll get some official word in the next day or so. Right now, discount this one as wishful thinking on the part of one of the most saavy media manipulators working right now. He wants the job, and he wants Tim Burton, so he's going to talk it up. Doesn't make it true. It's an old shell game in Hollywood, and Manson seems to be picking it up like an old pro.
The last tip-off? The title. They're not remaking WILLY WONKA; they're adapting CHARLIE. It's a subtle distinction, but you'd think the film's alleged star would know which one he was working on. Ross and Frank have been very clear on that so far.
Okay... so stop e-mailing me the NY POST story. Please. Thanks.
"Moriarty" out.
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Thank god. Wheee!!
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your knowledge of Manson and Veruca Salt gives you street cred. Whilst you was gone to Sundance I stood up for Harry for you. It was a fucking riot.
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And I was so looking forward to that! Oh, by the way I was being sarcastic. Why are they even making it?
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Hehe.. I'm gonna get flamed for this..
But I think Manson would make an excellent Wonka. Frankly, I don't think they should be remaking the film at all.. but if they're gonna do it, Manson could certainly pull it off. I don't think the new version is a musical, but if it is, well, we all know Manson can sing. Failing that, get Val Kilmer. My 2 cents. -
They are rapidly running out of old movies and old 60's and 70's TV shows as the basis for new pictures. Sooner or later they will have to create something fresh and original. Remaking Charlie is as futile and pointless as remaking a Led Zeppelin song because it's already been performed the best it ever will be.
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Ok.. Its 8:00pm Dallas time and I just watched CNN tell me MARILYN MANSON was. So I head stright here going what kind of crap is this.. Willy is the Devil? I hope you find out which ****head sent that story out and send them to the bad egg shaft.
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Everybody knows Wonka will be played by Optimus Prime from the story yesterday.
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I read the Manson announcement on EW.com a few hours ago and my eyes popped out like I had become a Tex Avery cartoon. I was ready to log on with 'Burn Hollywood Burn' posts the moment the story was announced here. I guess there's still some sanity in the world! And as for decrying the 'dearth of creativity' in Hollywood, I for one think that a re-adaptation of Charlie is a wonderfull idea. Not that there was anything wrong with the Gene Wilder version, but perhaps a more faithful update (with Great Glass Elevator potential) could be something spectacular, provided the new one isn't too toned down by our Senate-conscious studio. What with Toy Story movies, The Iron Giant, the good buzz on Disney's upcomings (about fuckin' time) and (hopefully) Harry Potter, there's some wonderful stuff for families on the horizon. Oh, and Kevin Kline IS Willy Wonka. Start the movement now!
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While we're at it middle management geniuses, let's remake "Citizen Kane". That was the worst movie ever made! Bad story, editing, acting and the worst dp on the face of the planet! Remember: "Movies were not invented until 1970."
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Jan 31, 2001 6:23:08 PM CST
CNN: From The Network That Brought You Operation Tailwind.
by removed_user
The fact that CNN has reported Manson's alleged casting tells me Mori is right. The Iraqi news agency reporting on Saddam Hussien has more credibilty than CNN. CNNs coverage of Bill "Joey Buttafuoco" Clinton is outright propaganda. The three year old, Fox News Channel, ratings wise, is opening up cans of whupp azzz on CNN. CNNs recent layoffs only show how much deep shit they are in. CNN is so far deep in shit that it just passed the "Willa Wonka's hand down Veruca Salt's pants" mark.
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And if your nick is based on that 80's band, then multiply 'pansy' by 1000. Manson and Cooper are incomparable - Cooper was talentless and his fame based entirely being 'scary', Manson is infamous because he tries to shock. Manson has some good music, but that new S Club 7 shit is tight...
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Why remake Wonka? What's wrong with the original? It's perfect and wonderful and no one will ever be a creepier wonka than Gene Wilder. Oh dear lord in heaven, why????
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The guy is actually talented and I'm sure he would be extremely good as Wonka. If Warner Bros. didn't have their mitts on it and a more adventureous studio did, they would be wise at trying to get this project going. As for this bit about Manson being a no talent: gimme a break. The guy, along with the rest of the band, is one of the greatest musicians to emerge in the past fifteen years. Screw Nirvana and most of the bands that were acclaimed in the 90's. Manson is an example of a real musician. In this age in which bouncing gorillas like Fred Durst and his band mates sell millions of records and get praise for being "good", it's refreshing to see someone like Manson whose music has a point and isn't about being a hard ass while "rollin'". And Iron Maiden? Talk about stale heavy metal. Manson's whole schtick isn't about being a boogeyman and acting scary and singing about Satan. In fact, he makes very little reference to Satan in his music, much like Black Sabbath. If people actually paid attention to things instead of just coasting on hear-say, they would know that. In my humble opinion, Manson is right up there with Zepplin, The Beatles, The Stones, etc. Granted, he's below them on the list, but he definitely deserves to be in that company.
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First: Why are the top 2 items tonight the SAME FREAKING STORY !? Second: Comedian, Dug your anti-Manson Loompa rap. I had an idea 2 or 3 years ago for a Wonka sequel, not a remake. It would take place 20 years after the events of the original pic and my idea for the grown-up Charlie was Robert Downey, Jr. - pre career flush, of course. I figured an emergency in Oompa-Loompa land would call him away, and who could watch the factory while he was away but the only other people who had been in the factory in the last 20 years, that's right, the Golden Ticket Squad. Charlie, naively figuring that Violet Beauregard, Augustus Gloomp,Veruca Salt and Mike Teevee had learned from their adventures in the factory 2
decades prior invites them all back. Much hilarity ensues. Intrigued ? I thought you would be. Oh, one more thing -- Slugworth is still around ( The Slugworth in the first movie was an actor hired by WW, remember ?) my casting notion for the evil candy-making rival -- Bill Murray -
two points about this whole thing
1) i dont give a flying fuck at a rolling donut who play wonka, once the acid kicks in he'll be A-OK.
2) In passing this afternoon i was subjugated to rosie o'donnell and she spent a good five minutes moaning about how manson scares the hell out of her.(strange i would have thought the fact she hasn't seen her feet in two years would be more concerning.) I give the man points just for that. so on that basis piss off to all the anti-mansonites.
Defending the world against the white trash horde. neo jimmbob -
It's already been done.... a four minute video for a song called "Dopehat" off of Portrait of an American Family. A different song than the "Is it raining is it snowing" mumbo-jumbo, the song itself has nada to do with Wonka. But the video has oompa loompas and he's dressed up like Willy Wonka on the boat. So perhaps this rumor was a manifested by viewing a very low budget, amusing music video from over six years ago. I don't have a problem with Manson, but I don't think he would be a good successor to Gene Wilder's role. I figure maybe Tim Curry. And maybe they could get kid from the 6th Sense to play Charlie.... hehehehh.... "I see short people."
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I for one am not going to stand on a soapbox and talk about how great manson is. I personally think he has some great music, and he's an intelligent guy. if i were doing a wonka remake, i'd make wonka seem really menacing, with a nice happy sugar coating...wilder touched on it, but i think it should have been brought out a little more. manson has the menace thing going, but i don't think it'd be so realistic to make him seem nice and happy...on the other hand, i don't think a guy like him would hurt the part.
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Please not Cage he would be the absolute worst Willy Wonka ever. Anyone would be better than Cage.
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About a stupid, unnessesary (sp?) remake that doesn't have Tim Burton's style or Marilyn Manson as Willy Wonka??
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Great lyrics!
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I'd have to agree that the whole re-making of old films idea has been run into the ground. The movie is fine, don't fuck with it. Shit, the movie wasn't even made that long ago. One hundred years I could understand, but thirty? I say if someone can live through the creation, and re-creation of a film(and possible re-re-creation), you're only going to destroy the magic. Give us and the future generations some more time to appreciate the movie before you bastardize it.
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Jan 31, 2001 9:45:39 PM CST
Manson and Cage Would Also Be Better Than Another Choice I Heard
by easy rider
Will Smith. Swear to God, Entertainment Weekly reported he was interested. I'd rather see Captain or Tenille than him. Imagine the dumbass rap tune that would tie in with it.
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Marylin Manson...god do I hate him.Not one bit of talent in his wreched body.Oh,look at me.I'm the antichrist! Look at me! I'm the son of satan! I can't stand that loser jackass and his awful, awful sounding music.Easy Rider, how dare you say that this freak is on the same level as the Beatles!? Or Led Zepellan?! Marylin Manson is a NOTHING when it comes to music! He would of destroyed this movie if he was in it! Thank god he is'nt in this movie,and trust me,it would'nt be long before his "I'm so evil"- crap music goes down in flames.
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You guys ever really think about this story? Wonka allows kids to be submerged under thousands of gallons of chocolate, inflated to lethal proportions, disentegrated, thrown down garbage chutes which could have incinerators blazing at the bottom. He has an entire race of people enslaved and addicted to the substance he controls. For two million dollars, two custom made Purdy shotguns, two new Chevy Suburbans filled with Cuban cigars, I will write and direct a film, starring Manson, in which Charlie is the lone survivor pursued through the factory by an insane, homocidal Wonka and his junkie Oompa Loompas. Call my agent, Ruben Kinkaid at Danny Partridge and Associates.
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Funny stuff. Fire Gary Ross. Hire the Comedian instead. Let's all quit talkbacking and start making some movies, dammit-on-a-bun!
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The clear choice for "Willie Wonka" would be Keith Moon, but he's dead. Still, with the wonders of CGI.....perhaps?
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Feb 01, 2001 4:53:58 AM CST
In 20 years Marilyn Manson is gonna more conservative than Josep
by horrorbiz777
I know it's off topic, but mark my words people, mark my words. Manson's little "antichrist" schtick is just an act. He's just in it for shock value and shock value alone. Lame shock value even because there's little depth to back it up. Remember how Johnny Ramone of The Ramones basically turned out to be a republican saying he though Reagan did a lot of good for the country and the only rights poor people should have is to get a job. This of course from a guy whose projected image was of the eternal high-school dropout living in his mom's basement listening to doo-wop records. Well that may have been shocking enough, but mark my words, Manson is gonna do the same. Just like all those goth kids who listen to him are all gonna become stockbrokers and bankers and yuppies once they wash that dye out of their hair and hang up their trenchcoats. The most extremely liberal people are always the ones to turn mega-conservative in their old age. Remember all those hippies that sold their VW vans and love beads for BMW's and stock options ? Same thing. HB777
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Give Speed the role!
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Anybody ever read The Onion? Check out http://www.theonion.com/onion3703/marilyn_mason.html This pretty much sums up Manson in a nutshell. What a worthless suckbag this guy is.
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Feb 01, 2001 7:16:09 AM CST
Marilyn Manson only does what he does because he thinks it will
by i am_notreal
...if he thought there was shock value in wearing a three-piece suit and carrying a briefcase, he'd do that. His "beliefs" are only skin deep. At least I don't have to worry about him getting it on with Rose McGowan anymore, but the mere fact that she would consider coupling with him makes her worthless. Ah well, Manson's career clock has just reached the 14th minute. In another year he'll be a nobody again.
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It just makes sense! Think about this...he is a brilliant actor (The Ice Storm...and others), he has the sarcasm we've all come to know and love for that role (thank you Gene Wilder!), and he can sing (Pirates of Penzance). What's not to love here? Come on people, if you have a problem with Kline for this role, then you're not a fan of Willy Wonka at all. He would....no...WILL be perfect for Wonka, no matter who directs or co-stars. Nuff said.
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...would be a good choice for director but I just can't see Manson singing"Come with me and you'll see...a world of pure imagination" without whips,chains & blood-filled chocolate bars. It's being reported on all the major news shows-I hope this is just a PR stunt becauseI loved the original film and if they must do a remake,they should do it right or not at all(like that'll ever happen in Hollywood!).
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...that's just what he's like normally.
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Hold the phone. Did anybody here actually READ the book? Willy Wonka is not menacing, he ECCENTRIC! Can you say that, kids? I knew you could. Besides, screw doing a remake, they should make a movie out of "The Great Glass Elevator." Hello?!? You listening, Hollywood? It's got aliens, and the President of the United States being a bumbling fool, and a big old GLASS ELEVATOR. I can see a total John Woo type fight up in the space station. I'll do it. Give me a call, Warner Bros.
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Hey,
I just heard on Planet Rock this AM about this and how Marilyn Manson believes Willie Wonka to be Satan because he makes little kids do bad things! If i have ever heard bullshit before it pales in comparison to this guy's! Wasn't Willie Wonka out before he was born?
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I agree with whoever suggested making a film based on the Glass Elevator. The Gene Wilder film will be hard to improve on. When's the last time a remake of a film was better than the original? The Maltese Falcon? Let's see Hollywood remake shitty films that had promise.
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How about the Onion producing the first movie that is a sequel to two films ("Wonka" and "Yellow Submarine")... "The Glass Onion Elevator" in which Charlie and his new friends, the Beatles, fly around in their Glass Elevator and fight off the resurgent Blue Meanies, who are bent on taking over the chocolate factory.
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Feb 01, 2001 10:49:58 AM CST
I Think Manson & I Went To Different Christian Schools Together
by buzz maverik
I like Manson because he had the same kind of education I did. At Christian school, people would get really excited when we had a film about Satan. I almost got expelled for saying that I wasn't sure I believed in Satan, if you can believe that. I remember almost laughing as I recanted, "I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks." A lot of kids I knew, like Manson, got interested in Satan and Anton Le Vey from the warnings we got at Christian school. It was lonely not fitting it with the fundamentalist establishment, but not fitting in with the rebels who I pissed off by pointing out that Le Vey's devil stuffed looked like those little devils at the end of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride at Disneyland. We also dug rock talk, when some "hip" young guy would come in, crank some tunes and tell us how evil they were. But to paraphrase Spinal Tap's Nigel Tufnel, "Satanism's not such a bad hobby, really. I think those people who talkback on AICN are much more evil, don't you." (No that wasn't in the movie, but in an interview in a guitar magazine.)
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You know that whoever makes the decisions is going to want to appeal to parents and children blah blah blah. They are going to completely screw it up by casting Billy Crystal or Robin Williams because they are both so damned loveable and talented. I'm sure that Jim Carrey had a chance at one point, but you're only allowed to destroy one children's classic per career. Hey, didn't I hear Hugh Jackman can sing? At least he would be pleasant to look at...
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How about Bill Murray? I heard Nick Cage mentioned for the role quite some time ago, but I think that would suck big time. I also think Norm Macdonald would be good, 'cept if he didn't have to sing any songs.
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My bad, how could I forget. Jim Carrey would eat this role up for dinner. Forget the movie for a sec. You ever buy the Willy Wonka Gobstopper candy, or any other of the confection king's products? The picture looks just like Carrey - no joke. Check it out.
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I love Norm MacDonald, but I really don`t think he`d be right for Willy Wonka. I say Eric Idle.
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Feb 01, 2001 12:37:06 PM CST
OK, enough Manson bashing for today...and to bloody hell with th
by xthecrovvx
OK, people, let me get it perfectly clear with everyone that I'm not a total Mansonite...some of Manson's earlier stuff just plain bothers me....and his cover of Sweet Dreams kicked ass, until i saw the video that is...::shudder::...that being said, whether you like him, hate him, or just laugh at him, there's one thing that SOMEBODY in this TB must say....you gotta respect him.....the last three albums have proven to me that he's not so much a Satanist as an inquisitor....he asks a lot of questions of God, the Bible, and what it stands for with certain people...whether ot not you agree with some of those questions is up to you entirely, but at least he has the balls to ask, and not fear what he believes may or may not exist....he questions human nature, why we idolize the material or the superficial...he makes his own observations on the matters as well, and on the most recent album, Holy Wood, he makes some of the most valid questions and observations, especially about how the media works as it pertains to tragedies...(ex.- "If you die when there's no one watching/then your ratings drop and you're forgotten/If they kill you on the TV/You're a martyr and a lamb of God")....and on that same album, some of his "responses" to the hell the media put him through because of Columbine are more true than some would like to admit ("You never accepted or treated me fair/Blame me for what I believe and I wear/You fucked yourselves and your raised these sheep/The blue and withered seeds you shall reap")....but it's very strange to see how people react to him...not as much to his music, but his image....and thats the very thing thats wrong with music these days anyway....everything's so based on the pretty package...some 16 year old girl with skimpy clothing, and a "i'll be a virgin till I'm married" message, or a bunch of teenage boys with an "I love the Gap, Abercrombie and Fitch, and, oh yeah, God.." image...and on the other side of the spectrum the "nothing else to do, so let's break some shit, pimp some hoes, and grab some 40's"....thats what matters these days, but nobody likes to bring up if they write their own songs, or how well they can sing(except Christina Aguilera...girlie can sing her ass off...even though i hate her guts...)....so, to cut this little rant off right here, i'll leave one single quote..."it doesnt matter who brings the message...as long as the message is true..." Revolution is my name...
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You wanna hear something cool, check out the new Necrophagia or Vader albums - they rock! As for Alice Cooper, he was contrived and did not write his own music. Anyone could have done his job, he just thought of it first. It was cool that one time when he was in Nightmare on Elm Street though..
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Cooper played Freddy's father in Freddy's Dead.. He beats Freddy with a belt, and Freddy's all 'thank you sir, may I have another?' then stabs him in the eye with a straight razor - all in 3D. The only Rotting Christ song I've heard is one on a compilation, it was pretty cool - but they rock cause they are Greek. The new Cradle of Filth blows my mind - everybody is coming down on Dani's voice, but I think it's pretty awesome. Check out the Vader if you like double-bassing, cause they got it going on bigtime - guitars reminiscient of Reign in Blood.. The albums called 'Reign Forever World'. And Necrophagia got a video on the new DVD release of Fulci's 'The Beyond'.
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Stop bickering, you all sound like a bunch of kindergarteners! But I must leave my opinion also!!
My first choice would be whoever plays the role the best should win! But if you people mstchoose profiles over experience, than here's my opinion!
1 Marilyn Manson has alot of potential.
2 He has already succeeded in fame. 3 He knows the movie by heart (it is one of his favorites). 4 He goes after wat he wants, to fulfill his life and career! etc. etc.
Anyway my point is! If you want something go after it! If peolple put you down; for going after what you want, than those people are just ignorant, jealous worthless losers!
By the way; Marilyn Manson is my favorite performer, and all the criticism you guys give him, is worthless! And by the way, whoever sad Rose left him because he lost fame, that's a joke! They split up mutually, for many reasons! It has nothing to do with money or fame, and even if that was the case: Technically, Rose Mcgowan isn't making nearly as much money as Mariyn Manson! Stop whining about all of this, and may the best performer win!!!!! -
You may have said it in jest Buzz but you are absafuckinlutely right. There is no greater way of embracing the Judeo-Christian mythos than being a Satanist. I myself was a satanist for a while when I first had my backlash against Christian dogma. Then I realized I was lying to myself. Oh, and not one of those LaVey Satanists, because that isn't Satanism. That's nothing but sugarcoated meditation and self delusion for self absorbed f8uckwits.
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Yep, Rotting Christ are definately the Greek death metal gods... it's always mentioned in their biographys cause Greeks are usually so Orthodox.. I think the new COF rocks, its more like Cradle to Enslave then any of the older style stuff. But alot of people don't like the singing.. if you like more conventional singing, check out NEVERMORE, they are pretty cool.
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Really, anyone out there who's read the book knows that the standard traditional animation format deserves a crack at this thing. I don't care what they can do with CGI these days. We already have a decent live-action version out there. They can get a talking penis to play Wonka for all I care, the main thing is they animate this sucker. Just hope Warner Bros. doesn't put motherf-ing Bugs Bunny and daffy Duck in the animated version, that would be the big danger.
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But Kojiro, you should have mentioned the big guy first, he seems like the egotistical type. I also got in trouble at Christian school when a teacher asked the class what they'd say if they met Satan and I said, "Sir, love your ham, your cake and those eggs of yours my Mom always makes for picnics."
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WELL WELL WELL!!! looky here! ok first of all i would like to say marlyn scares me! alot! but i think he would be perfect for the job! i heard it was true, then i came on here to check it out. are guys are trying to tell me i got my hopes up for nothing?! damn it! well back to the whole willy wonka/scary dude/tim burton topic. ok some of you say "why would they cast him!? they wouldnt in the first place!" well what the fuck!? if tim burton (who i might add is one of the coolest/twisted directers right now)was directing willy wonka, then i think its PERFECT that marilyn is willy! from what i heard, in this movie he is supposed to be a creepy/evil candy man! so there you go! he wont need make up or anything! oh man i have soo much more to say. but my fingers cant take typing any longer. thanks for hearing what i have to say. ps- LONG LIVE WILLY!!
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