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You'll Flip When You Hear Who is Directing SHANG CHI: MASTER OF KUNG FU!

Ya know... Harry here, and right now... I'm pretty darn jazzed. Right now there is a deal that has apparently gone through between Avi Arad, Chris Lee and Stephen Norrington for him to direct SHANG CHI: MASTER OF KUNG FU.... That's right, THE HANDS OF SHANG CHI.... The most badass Kung Fu comic that my American Ass has ever had the privilege to read every issue of.

Right now, I'm not clear who is writing the script, but it is allegedly the post-GHOST RIDER film project for STEPHEN NORRINGTON, who will soon be finding himself as one of the directors that fanboys and girls like me and you go gaga over.

Now, THE HANDS OF SHANG CHI: MASTER OF KUNG FU was never really one of the mainstream successes for Marvel... but rather the comic that the COOL READERS found. And for their adventurous non-anglo loving asses they were enriched with the story of Fu Manchu's son, who dedicated his life in opposition to his father's evil will. In his adventures he worked with such Fu Manchu characters as Fah Lo Suee and Nayland Smith himself. Then as Marvel began working him in and out of the Marvel universe we saw him be a bad ass with the likes of SPIDER-MAN, DAREDEVIL, IRON FIST, NICK FURY, ELEKTRA and LUKE CAGE.

So... who to play SHANG CHI? And I don't want to hear Jackie Chan (wrooooooong) or Jet Li (just as wrong).... That's right.... Shang Chi should be the... (cue dramatic kung fu music).... A NEW STAR.... Meaning, a guy that's been working for years in Hong Kong, but mainstream cracker America don't know him at all.

I would recommend... the perfect unknown to the west Hong Kong star for Shang Chi..... AARON KWOK. The brooding ....

He was the UTTERLY badass dude from Andy Lau's THE STORM RIDERS... a film of such awesome kickassness, that well.... SEEK IT OUT ON DVD! You will forever be in my kiss my shoe debt club..... You will think I'm the sun, moon and other large bodies in space type cool.... SERIOUSLY.... AWESOME! And as Shang Chi..... lasjdflasjdfljas That's right.... I ain't making sense, because that's how perfect he is....

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  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:20 a.m. CST


    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

    Wow! I wonder if he uses Bumble and Bumble hair products...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by damocl

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Norrington-Forever to be the comic book to film guy.

    by DrZarkov

    I dont think so. Sometime hes going to get the stupid "I want respectibility" feeling and stop doing comics to film. I reckon after Ghost Rider - if it ever gets done. That one will be a curious film and hence ,to me ,a big risk for a company to go all the way with. Far to weird for the mainstream.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:11 a.m. CST


    by Lujho

    with this many marvel projects going on, there's a good chance that some of them won't be good. They're all being made by different people, but I just have this sense of foreboding. Even if they are all good movies, there may eventually be a feeling of saturation. I mean, do we really need this movie AND Iron fist? I don't know, I've never read them. But I would rather see some DC projects (A simple Batman/Supes movie, rather than the whole JLA, would be really cool). But most of all I would rather see some of the creations of British writers come to the screen: anything by Warren Ellis (Transmetropolitan!), and some of the 2000ad strips (I think Judge Dredd deserves another chance, a PROPER movie of it could be excellent. No Sly!). Show the non-comics reading public what the medium can really be like, not just 30 year old Marvel titles. From Hell is a step in the right direction...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Aaron kwok kicks ass

    by Mo-Mo Kazoo-i

    i've read master of kungfu such a long time ago till i saw this article. wow.. i must be getting old. Master of kungfu was one of the first comic that i started collecting.It had an a great storyline as i recall and he was way cooler than iron fist. As for Aaron kwok as the choice to play him.. i think u got the right man. As i recall.. he speaks better English than Chow Yuen fatt did when Chow started =)

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:31 a.m. CST

    And Norrington is good WHY exactly?

    by Brendon

    I mean, really. It's all very workaday stuff. He's no special technician, and certainly has nothing to say. So, go gaga over hacks, but tell me, WHY?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 5:19 a.m. CST


    by Scott Ridley

    Is this "geek only" expertise, damn my ignorant poorly informed ass, can anyone tell me what this guy has done that we might have seen?I hope he didn't direct that large dump-in-your -eye BLADE.But that's probably confusing him with someone else, Yes? No?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by Scott Ridley

    Is this "geek only" expertise, damn my ignorant poorly informed ass, can anyone tell me what this guy has done that we might have seen?I hope he didn't direct that large dump-in-your -eye BLADE.But that's probably confusing him with someone else, Yes? No?

  • Honestly, I think this would be difficult. If you mean the way the stories work, okay, perhaps. But there are things that comics do that really can't be duplicated. They're like movies in that they're almost *all* visual. But you don't watch a comic. I like Samuel Delany's statement in "Silent Interviews" that if you "read" a comic book, you're missing something. Comics are to be looked at. Seriously. Your freedom as a reader to let your eye roam over a layout, ignore the dialogue, etc. is complete. The closest I've seen a movie come to this are the split-screen sequences in "Requiem for a Dream" which developed a really economical alternative to Hollywood shot/reverse shot/reaction shot techniques by letting us as audience get the disorienting option of checking different stuff out, having a choice of what to watch (I know this was done in films like Woodstock and others, I'm sure, but this was the first time I'd seen it used in service to the story). I think you might be right--movies, at best, could only show what the comics medium is *like*--but not what it is to look at comics. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any more comics-movie adaptations (I for one dug the hell out of Blade--it's not genius, but it was fun and slightly nasty). I'm just saying that movies and comics are different forms that can accomplish very different things. Later.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 5:46 a.m. CST

    come on admit it scott loved BLADE

    by webslinger2

    of course you know...he is BLADE....that is his little baby...and dont tell me that aint one of the most badass vampire flicks you have ever seen...because it is, if you say it aint then you are lying to yourself.....and i know you are gonna be the first in line to see the follow up!!!!!!! BLADE RULES!!!!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Knowles, what do you know about Norrington that we don't?

    by Lance Rock

    He's not listed on IMDB, and all I know about him is that he's directing the Ghost Rider movie which is probably a loooooong ways off. How about some more info on this guy? Why should we care about him?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Give Norrington Luke Cage, too!

    by Veidt

    Norrington just may be on his way to having the coolest filmography around. For anyone who cares to knock Blade, that film is the only American film to have fight scenes with editing and choreography on a par with anything out of Hong Kong, bar none - and that includes The Matrix. It's also arguably the best comic book adaptation ever made (not to start another pissing contest about the relative merits of X-Men vs. Blade - I liked both films but feel that Blade has the slight edge). And as to Scott Ridley, it's ironic that you don't know who Norrington is as your user ID was used as a character name back in Norrington's first film - '85's Death Machine. Which is also a cool film - especially if you can track down the uncut version.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Marval is putting all it's eggs in one basket.

    by tank-ass

    I want to see Marval comics made into movies as much as the next fan, but it's getting way out of hand. What's happening here is hollywood seen how well comic book based movies can do, so there developing as many as they can cause it's like a fad right know. I think they should space them out a bit. By the way things are looking now there's gonna be like 4-5 comic to film movies in 2004. I'll go and see them but I don't know how well the general public will like them. Ghost Rider will be good, Norrington did a good job with Blade, and incase non of you knew, Blade is the film that started this whole Craze.But I'm not sure what the general public will think about a man with a flaming skull driving a beasty Motor bike. Iron Fist, well I think it will do good cause of Ray Park Fans, but I've never read the Comic so I can't really say. Incredible Hulk, this ones a wild card, by the sounds of it Ang Lee is gonna make it a drama. Which could either make it very interesting, or very boring. Don't get me wrong Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon rocked. But the Hulk isn't the most agile character so it will be a different type of action. I'm hopping it will do good. Finally Spider-Man, this movie is gonna do very well I predict. I think it will do better than any other Comic Adaption ever made. Who doesn't know Spider-Man, everyone from Fan-Boys, to people who use to watch the 60's Cartoon when they were kids are gonna want to see this one. Plus all the children in the world. Hell who knows it might even beat Titanic. This one I'm sure will do very well. And as everyone can see by the new Photos, and have read, the movies gonna stay true to the comic. And who cares about Organic Webshotters, I just want to see the S-Man swing.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 7:31 a.m. CST


    by supremelogic

    Donnie Yen IMHO Would make a better Shang Chi. Peace...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Hello, Harry. Spellchecker has found 1misspelled word.

    by Spellchecker

    "non-anglo" should be "non-Anglo".

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Comic movie oversaturation

    by shuyun

    I agree with the poster that lamented all the recent announcements of comic movies. It'll end up being like all those 'horror' flicks that popped up after Scream came out. It's like bacteria in a pond: there's lots of food and space, but they multiply so fast that they consume it all instantly and starve themselves. If too many studios make too many adaptions, they're going to kill public interest, even if all these adaptions turn out to be as amazing as ya'll seem to think they're going to. Lets slow it down and get a little balance. I'm sure a lot of this is Marvel's desperate attempt to recoup after their bankruptcy thing a few years ago. Instead of focusing on improving their comic market (which was also seriously damaged by overmarketing and oversaturation about the time that I stopped reading comics in the early '90's), they're selling off every character right they can. That seems like a pretty lame, short term solution to help what used to be a great company.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Sorry webslinger2 but I HATED Blade

    by Scott Ridley

    What exactly was there to like; dreadful characterisation, a plot written by a five-year-old on acid, a hero with the depth of a carboard cut-out, adverage "seen it all done better" visuals and worst of all action sequences completely devoid of tension or excitment.Yes of course I must see the sequel, I can hardly wait, when this excrement is ready to be dropped my tongue will be hanging out to lap it up............I don't think so.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the irony Veidt....

    by Scott Ridley

    .....I was woundering where I got my user id, I thought I simply reversed Ridley Scott (my favourite director since 1979) to make Scott Ridley but I do remember Death Machine; a Terminator/Alien combo set in a large high tech skyscraper, intresting and fun, that was Norrington ? Oops! I still think Blade was crap, maybe if he had tighter control over his material and a good script something intresting might happen.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the irony Veidt....

    by Scott Ridley

    .....I was woundering where I got my user id, I thought I simply reversed Ridley Scott (my favourite director since 1979) to make Scott Ridley but I do remember Death Machine; a Terminator/Alien combo set in a large high tech skyscraper, intresting and fun, that was Norrington ? Oops! I still think Blade was crap, maybe if he had tighter control over his material and a good script something intresting might happen.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Cool readers

    by northern monkey

    Cool readers..of comics? Surely that is an oxymoron. And when you say cool readers I assume that you mean the dissident hardcore who are in my (unfortunately extensive) experience so far from cool its a blip on the horizon. Hang your head in shame

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Which sucks worse?

    by Balzac13

    Storm Riders or Aaron Kwok? I guess Aaron deserves a little credit for his authentic portrayals of assholes in Anna Magdalena and And I Hate You So... But I guess Harry wouldn't know about those since they aren't about people fighting. Still, Aaron Kwok sucks both as an actor and as a person, (he is a complete spazz) and Storm Riders is the worst HK movie of the '90s.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Harry, it kills me to say, you've chosen a perfect Shang-Chi!!

    by Uncle Jay

    He actually looks like him, he'd be perfect. I'm glad to see Shang-Chi getting some recognition after all these years. Steve Norrington is a perfect choice to direct as well. Now all they have to do is get Oliver Stone to do "Captain America"!! That would be excellent. The 1991 version of "Cap" really sucked, however, I kind of enjoyed Scott Paulin's portrayal of The Red Skull and not to mention a really cool cameo by Michael Nouri. But Oliver Stone would give "Cap" what it needs!!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I agree Harry, this guy's perfect

    by SilentBob5000

    I, too have been hoping, wishing, dreaming that someday Shang Chi would get made into a movie. I mean, come on, it's about time martial arts movies made a big comeback here in the US. I've never seen this Kwok guy before but I must say he looks perfect for the role. Bring him on.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Aaron Kwok vs Daniel Wu

    by Cinemama

    I have never read the comic. I never heard of the comic until today. However, that won't prevent me from throwing in my 2 cents. I think Aaron Kwok looks hot but I don't know how well he speaks English, and if you look at his movies, I don't think he is a martial artist (or a dancer (they seem to come across pretty well)). What about Daniel Wu who was the buddy in 2000AD? He has studied Wushu for 10 years or more and is a good old American boy from San Francisco. I thought he did a good job in Purple Storm. He is not as pretty as Aaron Kwok but I don't think that's a bad thing.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by Bry-Guy

    Isn't this what we, as comics fans, have always dreamed of? (other than well-written comics) Finally, we can maybe get the chance to enjoy comics movies that are faithful to the actual source material instead of Bat-symbols with extra limbs and added Kryptonian powers. With this "over"saturation of comic movies, maybe they can finally get the formula just right and appease all the talk-backers who have based whole rants around the lack of quality in their comic films. To all those who call it an oversaturation...Why? Are you inconvenienced by this sudden turn of events (which is in MY favor, I might add)? Are you a comics fan at all, or did you stop reading over five years ago and lost your edge? At least it's not the oversaturation of ROMANTIC COMEDIES that has gone on since the dawn of time (fuck you, Greg Kinnear...Masturbate to Talk Soup reruns). And the main difference between this and the saturation of horror flicks is that ALL THOSE MOVIES HAVE (almost) EXACTLY THE SAME PLOT!!!! These movies are ALL different from different characters and different settings and different powers and whatnot...I do agree with the fact of a Shang Chi movie AND a Iron Fist one being redundant. I say cut out the fourth tier heroes that two people give a shit about and just concentrate on making a fucking perfect Kung Fu flick. OR SCRAP ALL THIS AND MAKE MY GODDAMN SUPERMAN MOVIE ALREADY!!!! I'll have to sit through Iron Fist 3 before I get to a newly redone Superman movie with todays special effects and budget...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Hey, The American Version of That French Comic Was The First Sha

    by Buzz Maverik

    Shoplifted it from the Stop 'N' Go. My friends and I called him Shang Hai.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Kwok can't fight

    by Chris2342

    Okay, I'll gladly admit that Kwok is a really good actor and even looks the part. But I put it to you...Have you ever actually seen this guy fight for real? I mean, like in the Storm Riders, he's got great stance and all but special effects and wire work tend to aid him so much in the fight scenes, that I'm not sure this guy can hold down a straight fast and furious wushu session. How about this...Donnie Yen. The martial arts badass from such classics as Iron Monkey and In the Line of Duty 4 (aka Witness). I mean, this guy is amazingly fast, is a good actor, has the brooding thing down, and is virtually unknown in the west. What do you think?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Aaron Kwok...????

    by clubberlang

    I had the misfortune of watching a Aaron Kwok music video. And seeing his Ricky Martin-esque dancing leads to say, "HELL NO, Shang Chi he aint!!".

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:52 a.m. CST

    whats the best kung fu movie?

    by IronRabbit

    Having seen Fist of Legend, Drunken Master 2, and Enter the Dragon, what should be next on my list? Is Iron Monkey in the same class? I know this is off-topic, but I figure I've got the right people reading now who could guide me. Modern Jackie movies are mostly about stunts. Black Mask was a little hokey. How about the Once Upon A Time in China series? Jet Li's Defender or Enforcer? Help me please.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Kwok CAN fight.

    by Balzac13

    I'm not defending him- I LIKE HK actors, and even some of the pretty, all-purpose "idols," but he's one of my least favorite male performers. Still, he can fight pretty well for someone who is primarily an actor. He looks okay in 2000 AD, and is pretty impressive in China Strike Force, in which he also performs some fairly painful-looking stunts. That's not in any way an endorsement of either movie... The first one is pretty weak. except for the gunfights and Francis Ng, and the second is just plain embarrassing. Hong Kong movies are still good, but "Hong Kong Action" is dead, fanboys.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:59 a.m. CST

    So is Steve Norrington cornerning the market on superhero films?

    by superninja

    I guess I'd do the same if I was a director, but Blade, Blade 2, Ghost Rider and now this? That Aaron guy is hot, btw...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Oliver Stone on Captain America?

    by superninja

    Maybe, if he could stay off the LSD trip for five minutes. Visually, I agree he'd be great, but from a story standpoint...oy vey! I doubt he would retain the integrity of the character that is so vital.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by superninja

    I don't expect all of these projects to be put on a fast-track. You know how many scripts are greenlit a year? X-Men 2 and Blade 2 are guaranteed. If Spider-Man does poorly, the studios will become more reserved and will probably push back some of these projects. Even the Hulk, Ghost Rider, Year One and Batman Beyond are all in positions where they could still end up in development hell. Remember that new Superman movie we've all been waiting for...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 12:18 p.m. CST

    RE: Superninja.......Oliver Stone for "Captain America".

    by Uncle Jay

    Actually, you are right about the LSD trips, however, I truly believe he is capable of turning in a fantastic script loyal to the story of "Cap". Of course, he would throw in his trademark flashbacks and b/w scenes, but I think "Captain America" needs that style. Besides, if anyone has to "fix" what Albert Pyun did to "Cap" in '91, Stone is your man! Although I have to Pyun much credit for "The Sword and the Sorcerer", problably his only good film.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by souperdv

    I saw Stormriders, and I believe this guy couldn't hold Jet's jock strap. One who could hold it with perhaps two or three fingers would be Donnie Yen. He's pretty cool. Lets see him in it!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 12:44 p.m. CST

    3 words: jason scott lee

    by grammarcop

    'nuff said.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna correct you all....

    by Skyblade

    All right.....correction #1-Too many comic flicks? Comics are a MEDIUM!...nobody complains about how many movies are based on prose ...and and to be honest the novel style rears its head The Perfect Storm just as much as comic sensibilities show up in X-Men...correction #2 comic properties aren't "hot"...they're just a stable way of bringing in an audience...while Blade was a wasn't a blockbuster, I mean 70 million?That number doesn't exactly warrant a monster for X-Men...yes it was one of the biggest hits of the year, but we're more likely to see spy movies or roman epics by the "fad" logic...besides, the sucess or faliure of a comic-movie hardly justifies the production of more of the genre, after all, I'm sure even studio execs knew comic fans were the most displased with Batman and Robin...correction #3-Shang-Chi and Iron Fist could be very very different movies...Iron Fist can have a lot of supernatural and mythic elements while Shang-Chi can have Spy elements...I mean both Walker-Texas Ranger and Martial Law both have martial arts but would you call them the same thing? (ignoring that they were both silly...)...correction #4 Transmetropolitan and its ilk would rock as movies would you make an ongoing-non action series into a film? Think-ER the movie...too reliant on its own format...Blade worked in live action because his own comic was never good to begin with...(not including Tomb of Dracula)...sorry to take up so much space but you guys needed straightening out...adios!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 1:56 p.m. CST

    HK movie clips......

    by OOBE

    You can download several clips (including stormriders) from... Anyone know of any similar sites???

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Re: Oliver Stone & Cap

    by superninja

    Not stylistically, mind you. I think Stone could handle that just fine. But could Stone resist either playing the character AGAINST his extremely moral nature, OR making him into a parody? Captain America is the most moral character in comics --even moreso than Superman. He has an integrity that has lasted since the beginning of his inception, and above all else, I do not want to see that compromised. I also don't want to see a movie that puts Cap on a moral pedestal, but this IS what makes Cap different from every other hero around. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Oliver Stone somewhat anti-government? He tends to push his points home a little hard in his films, and I would hate the whole film to focus around that. Just my $.02. If he could steer clear of that, then I think he would be great. Otherwise I'd suggest someone like Shekhar Kapur (Elizabeth), Coppola or Anthony Minghella (Talented Mr. Ripley). And I would like Aaron Eckhardt to play Cap!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by lorentz

    was about as good as an ABC after school special.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:28 p.m. CST

    kwok can't fight??

    by lorentz

    can't hold down a wushu session?? Who the hell cares?? It looks cool in real life, but fake as hell in movies (romeo must die). Not like wushu is the only Kung Fu. Thank God its not...

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Ollie Stone and Cap

    by MPJedi2

    I think you're not getting the point of most of Stone's films. Stone COMPLETELY RESPECTS the american ideal and dream. He simply shows what the reality of the world can do to that dream. Ron Kovic, in many senses, WAS Captain America, a young man who was ready to fight and die for his country. A moral view instilled by his elders who saw that spirit during WWII. That ideal worked during didn't during Vietnam. Stone NEVER downplays the sacrifice of these men, or their courage. He shows them a men who believed in something THE COUNTRY didn't anymore....My God, I think of the amazing story that could be told using Captain America in that context. The statement that Stone could make about how we treat people like him now...I'd love to see that story

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Bug on Shang Chi

    by Ambush Bug

    Harry's pick isn't bad. I've never seen any of his films, but physically Kwok is a match. CTHD has torn the lid off of kung fu movies. I can't wait to see what typeof knock offs are in the horizon. It is only natural for Marvel to jump on the kung fu pony while it's a buckin' with films like Iron Fist and Shang Chi in the works. Don't wirework it up though. Let Shang Chi use traditional kung fu fighting methods. Don't make him fly up a building or skim across a lake. It worked fine in the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Universe, but Shang Chi should be rooted in reality. I can't say that I am the biggest Shang Chi fan, but an comic adaptation is worth rooting for. How about Jason Scott Lee for the role of Shang Chi. The MArvel character was based on Bruce Lee's success in film. Lee played Bruce Lee in Dragon. He is still in great shape from what I have seen of hi in that Soldier movie. I am not sure about supporting cast, I'll have to bust out my old issues, but wasn't there a French guy who befriended Shang Chi. Jean Reno could play him. I saw that preview for his upcoming knight in present time flick and after that turd hits theatres he will be hurtin' to make a good action flick. Norrington proved that he could make a third rate comic hero interesting. Hopefully, he can do it again with this project.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Stone & Cap

    by superninja

    But can you agree that Stone likes to show the ugly reality of the American dream? That has no place as a main theme in Captain America -- in fact, the theme should be to defeat the idea that the dream is dead. To prove that a character like him can be a role-model and not a throwback to a forgotten time. The American dream is not the American government. I'm not saying Stone couldn't do it, but I think he would make an UGLY movie. He's not good at epic triumphs, is he? He'd rather have a look at the underbelly first.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Bug on Cap

    by Ambush Bug

    Well it looks like the Talkback is doin' the backwards thing again, making conversations almost impossible, but I'll post anyway. Oh, what a kettle of kibble I opened when I suggested Oliver Stone to helm the Captain America flick back in the Spawn v. Spidey talkback a few days ago. For those of you who think its a good idea, cool. I'm glad there are some like-thinkers out there. For those of you who say that Ollie would miss the point of what it means to be Captain America , I think you are missing the point of Ollie's films. A Captain America film should be about how spindly Steve Rogers became a symbol of America. True. But the beauty of Cap's story is that he is a man out of his own time. I don't like to bite other people's style, but I must follow the Cormorant route and site one of my previous posts detailing my version of the Cap film. Ahem....(squiggly lines, begin flashback) I think Cap's story can be told in one film. It can be set up in three parts. Set up Cap as the icon he is during WWII. The idealism and symbolism of the character can be highlighted during this first section of the film by showing him rallying the troops and boosting morale in desperate times. In the final days of the fall of the Third Reich, Cap and the Skull have it out, resulting in the foiling of the Skull's plans and Cap's disappearance in the ice. Years pass and in Cap's absence, the ideals of the country have gone the way of the dodo. Mom and apple pie have been replaced by Monica and Columbine and American Pie. The us vs. them (black and white) mentality has blurred and it is now us vs. us vs. them vs. themselves. The war isn't simple anymore and the enemy is less defined. Begin second act. Cap is found and revived. At first he is used by the government to work for them, which Cap willingly accepts since he is used to following orders in the war. But as his adventures in modern times progress, he has trouble differentiating between who is the enemy and who are his allies. The Red Skull, kept alive and revived earlier, is rounding up Neo-Nazis and Militia groups around America for a Fourth Reich. The Skull could be that immediate threat, but the greater conflict is between Cap and his realization that the government that he once bled for has changed in his absence. Cap could uncover that the Skull is being funded by a branch of the government. And now the third and final act. The real challenge in the story would be Cap's crusade to bring the pride and glory back to America. Cap can be used as a symbol of what it means to be an American and how that has changed over the years. The film ends with Cap defeating the Skull and coming to terms with what the role of Captain America means. That the role is bigger than the government. He realizes that he is more than a foot soldier, but a symbol of hope. Someone to look up to and strive to become. The film should end on an up note with Cap accepting the role as a symbol of hope and make one feel proud to be an American. I know this concept is a little starry eyed, but when was the last time you saw a movie, other than an old WWII film, that made you proud in that way? Certainly not Saving Private Ryan. I felt respect for the people who sacrificed their lives in WWII after seeing that film, but not pride. These are bleak times and patriotism is practically dead. I know optimism is a filthy word in these talkbacks, but this is supposed to be a fantasy film and I would love to see them try to make this into a patriotic epic with a good conflict rather than Cap thwarting the Red Skull's big plan typical super hero film scenario....(squiggly lines, end flashback). Now would you want a flashy video director like Norrington to tackle tough topics like the one above or a director of Oliver Stone's calibre? The main theme in Stone's films is that America was once a great nation and somewhere down the line around the time of JFK/Viet Nam/Nixon everything went to shit. In every one of Ollie's films there is a hero fighting against the corrupt environment. Cruise's Kovic fought hard for a place to exist after Viet Nam. Kostner's Garrison fought against conspiracy and dreamed of a better time. Hopkin's Nixon tried to live up to the dream, but corruption tore him down. Even Charlie Sheen's character in Wall Street and Jamie Fox's character in Any Given Sunday were faced with obstacles of greed and power that tore at their own personal morals. All of these characters had a strong moral code and firm beliefs about their country, but corruption, conspiracy and apathy challenged those beliefs. Stone has been telling the Captian America story through all of his films. Captain America's rights were sold in the Artisan deal a few months ago. A film is in development. Let's start rallying for this one early ladies and germs. Bug out.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 5:20 p.m. CST



    Shang Chi = Jason Scott Lee Nayland Smith = Sir Anthony Hopkins Leiko Wu = Joan Chen Black Jack Tarr = Eric Braden Shaka Kharn (sp?) = CGI Fu Manchu = CHRISTOPHER LEE (mind you, remember Peter Sellers in THE FIENDISH PLOT OF DOCTOR FU MANCHU?)

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 5:54 p.m. CST

    What Ta Fuck Are You Talkin' About Harry???!!!

    by Ice Kicker

    First thing I wanna talk here man is about Andy Lau's Stormriders... What in the world did you mean by that man? Andy Lau was not even in the picture. He didn't involve in anything what so ever. The only film that he act with Aaron was The Gameboy Kids, an action/comedy flick. Other than that: Nothing!!! Not a zip!!! And also Harry, Aaron Kwok didn't act as a badass dude. He was the hero of the film, man! (beside Ekin Cheng). He was Striding Cloud. The one that had the cool sword with him? Remember? Don't you even read the comic? Shit! What kinda man art thou Harry?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:09 p.m. CST

    And also...

    by Ice Kicker

    Aaron Kwok can't speak english! I've seen him in China Strike Force. His spoke as if his tongue was too short. Even tough he fought really well, but that ain't gonna help you man. From my opinion, Donnie Yen is the best to portray this so called comic character. And also, his english is better than any Hongkong actor that came to Hollywood.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:45 p.m. CST

    would have liked to have read this tb

    by kojiro

    ...but as it's fucked up I'll just content myself with saying for those of you who haven't seen Stormriders that your not missing anuthing. As opposed to me, who quite dearly misses the time spent watching that craptacular thing. But hey, we've all got different opinions. In case anyoine is wondering what it is ilke...imagine Black Mask ionundated with mythical elements. Yep, same crappy editing style and all.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 6:47 p.m. CST

    anything,anyone,like, and inundated

    by kojiro

    miss anything?

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 8:15 p.m. CST

    I doubt this will be anything like the comic because...

    by Willie Garvin

    Idon't think they will be able to use Fu Manchu, Nayland Smith, or any other Sax Rohmer created characters, smply because they belong to the Sax Rohmer estate, and the rights aren't Marvel's to sell. I don't even think the could get them if they wanted to because they would be tied up with that spanish Antonio Banderas movie we all read about a couple a months ago. That is unless the books have lapsed into public domain in the past fiteen years or so. If anyone has any information on this I'd be interesting in hearing it since I don't have the current copyright laws at my fingertips. Also, I remember a few months back when the Artisan/Marvel deal was first announced, someone declaring that Master of Kung Fu would be a "re-invention" of the character", so I'm not sure why they're even bothering with this one, unless they're just in love with the title. Oliver Stone's Captain America? Gee it sounds knd of goofy stupid, but it's SO goofystupid it just might work. The themes of Cap sort of seem up Stone's alley, but I have to say the idea makes me a little nervous. I would like to se him direct that Elektra Assassin movie that he was threatening to do a few years ago. Now there's a good match of director and material.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 9:17 p.m. CST

    To Many Comic Films Says LUHK

    by The Founder

    Well I don't think it's enough of them to make that comment.Sure we had Xmen and Blade, but that was about it and not many people even knew that Blade was a comic except us comic fans.Lets try to remember that even though we are hearing about these different comic projects I won't believe it until it's confirmed that actors have ben cast and filming is set to start or already has.I do agree totally that with to many it's a safe bet that some of them will be bad.Forgot who made the comment that Steve Norrington may get tired of doing comic movies so that he can be taken seriously in the industry or something to that degree, well first off the guy hasn't done that many and as long as time and quality is put into making these movies and they turn out to be great films he won't need to worry about being taken seriously.

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 9:27 p.m. CST

    IRON MONKEY is in the all time top five.......

    by Manaqua

    "Come see my nothing special!!" frickin brilliant!!

  • Jan. 25, 2001, 11:31 p.m. CST

    What's next??!!?!!

    by 1stGodling

    Peter Porker: the Spectacular Spider-Pig..starring...HARRY!!!!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I Called Oliver Stone About CAPTAIN AMERICA.

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Yeah." "Oliver! It's Buzz!" "Hey, Buzz! I'm glad you called. You know any women you can set me up with?" "I'm not a pimp, Oliver." "Who said anything about pimping? It's a set up. Matchmaking." "Do I look like that old lady in FIDDLER ON THE ROOF?" "Say, I'm thinking of doing a KOSSACK film. I used to sack villages, so I can relate it to my own life like I always do." "Great idea, Oliver. Listen, the gang at AICN news thinks you should do CAPTAIN AMERICA." "Is she good looking? If she's good looking, I'll do her." "No, Oliver, Captain America is a comic book character." "I used to read ZAP Comix. Is this Corporate America from Zap Comix?" "Uh, yeah." "I think I remember. I'll get the rights. Maybe I can do something like WILD PALMS. That was a comic, or so they say." "No, don't do that, Oliver." "Before we start shooting, I'll have the whole cast chew some peyote with me." "Why? To promote unity?" "Yeah and to get stoned and see snakes and shit." "Save a button for me, man." "Forget it. I never have leftovers. Listen, I gotta go. I'm going out to fuck somebody all night. Then in the morning I'll make sure they stop publishing this Corporal America so the ending won't be ruined for the kids."

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 11:45 a.m. CST

    How about that other guy from Iron Monkey...

    by Bry-Guy

    I forget his name, but you can also see him square off with Jackie Chan in (please don't laugh at me, guys) Shanghai Noon. He was the actual Iron Monkey in Iron Monkey. Donnie Yen would be awesome, too. How about Yuen Biao? Jason Scott Lee would've worked when he did Dragon or Rapa Nui, but the last time I saw him (Soldier) he was way too pumped to look like Shang Chi. I'm sure he has the skills, but so does Jeff Speakman. How about Ken Lo from Drunken Master 2? The list goes on and on. It's just a matter of who you would like to see get possibly typecast. As far as Oliver Stone for Captain's one for ya...ANG LEE!! just kidding. Ang should do SUPERMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Oh more thing...

    by Bry-Guy

    Fuck Tim Burton. and Why is my comment on the bottom now? I was looking forward to being first...

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Oh I see what happened...

    by Bry-Guy

    but what the fuck?...

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 1:15 p.m. CST

    With Stone I fear

    by superninja

    it could be totally great, or an absolute disaster. For me there's not a whole lot of middle ground with Stone flicks. I would prefer someone more reliable. Sure, it might not be as edgy, but I'm willing to sacrifice. Ambush Bug, my Captain America feature idea is similar to yours. A trilogy that reflects the changing attitudes of the American public. WWII: patriotism. 60s: disallusionment, and 90s: apathy.

  • Jan. 26, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Marvel Knights and Shang Chi

    by holidill

    For those of you out there not familliar with Shang Chi, Chuck DIxon has brought him out of retirement for his Marvel Knights comic. Guess I'm one of those non-cool comic book readers some of the posters are talking about. Oh well, I'm secure in myself, moreso I shink than the gentleman who thinks comic book readers are not cool. Oh well, it's a free country.

  • I am a fan of Aaron Kwok and I am here to tell u guyz that Aaron can fight!! if u guyz UN-UPDATED PEOPLE just watch that old movie "Stormrider" and comment on Aaron from that movie, then u must be SO NAIVE and OUTDATED!!!!!! Go and see a doctor will ya!? If u are update ppl U ahould have seen the movie "China Strike Force" In that movie Aaron can show u ppl hoe he can really fight and act!!!! **DO U PPL AS AMERCIANS HAVE MANNERS AT ALL???? U THINK THAT SWEARING AND PISSING PPL OFF IS REALLY FUN???? WHAT DOES THAT STUPID AMMERCIAN EDUCATION SYSTEM TEACH U GUY ANYWAYZ????TO TREAT OTHER PPL LIKE TRASH???? IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL FREEDOM????UH???? CAN ANYONE TELL ME???? WHAT DO U AMERCIANS PARENTS DO? ARE THEY EVER EDUCATED FRO THEIR MANNERS OR DO THEY SWEAR ALL YEAR ROUND AND TREAT OTHER PPL LIKE RUBBISH????ANYONE CAN ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION???? **

  • Jan. 29, 2001, 12:14 p.m. CST

    What the hell's the "question"?

    by Bry-Guy

    Not much to say, just thought that the Bill Hicks quote was fucking brilliant...