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Images from the Hughes Brothers' upcoming film adaptation of FROM HELL!!!
Hey folks, Harry here with the latest from the amazing Dirtfish! A couple of pics from FROM HELL.... though we still have no idea what the targeted release date from 20th Century Fox will be on this film, but I'm dying to see the dang thing.... the script was great, the sets were great and the talent... well, tis way cool. After watching BLOW, and then knowing the type of character Depp has here to play with... he's going to have one helluva year! Here ya go....
Dirtfish here,
Here are a couple of pictures from Johnny Depp's
latest film From Hell!
Depp, 37, plays Inspector Frederick Abberline who along
with Heather Graham becomes embroiled in a vast
alleged conspiracy involving the highest powers in
England while trying to catch Jack The Ripper.
Robbie Coltrane and Ian Holm co-star for Menace II
Society and Dead Presidents directors Albert & Allen Hughes.
Dirtfish out
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Because I'm a loser. Anyway, I'm eager to see this movie and I was puzzled not to see it in the 2001 list. The comic rocks, Johnny Deep can pull it and the sets chosen are perfect. Prague looks more 19th Century London than London itself. I don't know nothing about the Hugues bros, what it's their current track record?
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A Eurocentric costume drama/period piece made by African American film directors whom were made famous by their most excellent film "Menace II Society", about black youths growing up in the hood and gangs, and all that. Johnny Depp's gonna bust a cap in Jack The Ripper's arse!
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I for one cannot wait for this movie. Out of all the work Alan Moore has done, From Hell is, I think, the easiest to translate to film. That being said, however, I still want to see a four part miniseries out of V for Vendetta, as well as a six parter for Watchmen. "I have saved you. Do you understand that? I have made you safe from time, and we are wed in legend, inextricable within eternity."
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......especially considering the Hughes brothers' track record. Did anyone else notice that in "Dead Presidents" the police officer with the six-shooter fired at least eight shots without reloading?
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these are sooooooo fucking old harry. christ, i saw these in my moms two months ago in a magazine that had nothing to do with film, it was a special on women in hollywood, rollergirl was featured. next thing youll be telling us is that tobey mcguire is in spiderman and al pacino is coming out with a movie called scarface. get with it slob.....
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Jan 06, 2001 4:07:19 PM CST
The Mist Shrouded Streets of Victorian London....where are they
by pitchmaster
Spent a bit of time down in London, trying to check out some of Jack The Ripper's old haunts. There are some amazing places like the (I think it's called) 100 Bells pub, some great old cobble-stoned streets....but I could find bugger all that even had a sense of what it must have looked like a hundred years ago. Everything around Whitechapel seems to have been spruiced up, heavily reconditioned, renovated. Some areas of Hyde Park are pretty freaky at 4am, when there's a light fog though. Anybody from London tell me if there's Victorian areas of London I've missed? And what exactly do you do with a multi-acre set of WhiteChapel once filming is over? Is everything thrown away? Do crews keep shit? Do the reconstructed shopfronts get passed on to museums ect? Killing time right now till the 1932 Rouben Mamoulian version of Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde starts on the BBC at 1.25am. Saw this as a child, incredible scenes of mist-shrouded London...no doubt this was a big influence on the look of From Hell...remember this as being shit-scarey versh of Dr Jeckyl, can't wait to see how it stands up...
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Not that I'm not interested in seeing this, but didn't they make a film like this with Michael Caine?
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"Whitechapel seems to have been spruiced up, heavily reconditioned, renovated." Bollocks it has, well not since the 60's. Anyway, as long as there are no Dick Van-Dyke type cockneys it should not be too bad.
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The original story was written by 'The Watchmen's Alan Moore. It was heavily researched and one of the best peeks into the probability of Jack The Ripper's identity. I just hope these overrated actors don't fuck it up.
Pieces out,
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it was a made for tv (i think) movie of jekil & hide, it was danm good too
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Where are those quotes from? The From Hell comic books?
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YES they're from the comic book. Jeez!
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I remember reading a script review of "From Hell" a couple months back, and it sounded like much of the movie would follow the conventional "whodunnit" route. Bad news if true, since Moore's comic reveals the killer in the first issue, showcases his childhood and early career, and follows him constantly in every issue thereafter. There is never *one moment* where his identity is in question! The fact that Depp's Abberline doesn't even remotely resemble the fat, mustachioed Abberline of the comic doesn't bode well either. Nor does the fact that neither of the two principal players are even English. Brace yourself for a movie that barely scratches the surface of Moore's multi-layered story.
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. . .JpegView is archaic--last I checked, it hadn't been updated since 1/2 past forever. that's probably why it crashed on you. Head on over to tucows.com; theres plenty of image viewers of a more recent vintage. To get back on topic, this flick sounds fascinating. Now I'm gonna have to get the comic this week (just got payed--whoo-hoo) along with "300," another ass-kicker. This is gonna be my big year for comics, yo.
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I'd love to see Depp in a dual role as Akbar and Jeff.
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Buzz, you are one funny bastard.
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Great THE BIRDS Harry Head, Cartuna. Keep up the good work!
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...I've exchanged words with "STAX" from Filmforce over this movie. He liked it, but he hasn't read the comic book. And sure enough, they are going to try and keep the Ripper's identity "secret" until the climax, which is SO FRIGGING LAME--it defeats the entire purpose of the comic! FROM HELL is, first and foremost, a character study of a real person who some experts believe to have been Old Leather Apron himself. It weaves in layers of conspiracy and intrigue--both the royals and the freemasons are involved--which are astonishing and seem unlikely but which are in fact very thoroughly researched and based on carefully constructed theories. ALL of this will pretty much have to go out the window if the Ripper is not identified right away as in the comic. He's the main character, for God's sake--Abberline doesn't even enter into it until something like the fifth or sixth issue! Apparently the Hughes are keeping the focus on the level of corruption and depravity and misery in what we think of as the prim and proper Victorian era, but that's only ONE aspect of the comic. Whatever high-mindedness this movie's going to cloak itself in, it's nevertheless reducing FROM HELL to a cheap slasher flick. I'm afraid that, whatever's happening, Mr. Moore is NOT happy with this. And I just hope he's not going to announce that he's done with Hollywood, thus denying us the Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movies I'd like to see. Speaking of which, the script for LoEG apparently exists, and bites the big one...something about the League fighting crime in America, or similar crap. It was reviewed at Corona a while back. What's wrong with these people?!? Most of Alan Moore's work could be DIRECTLY ADAPTED to the screen with no changes whatsoever--you could even keep the panel arrangements as storyboards, and it would be brilliant filmmaking. Maybe Moore himself needs to make a film.
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does it take to make a movie? And what exactly is a graphic novel? Is that geek-fanboy-speak for comic book?
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Jan 07, 2001 12:08:59 AM CST
CDS, I've come to school ya regarding graphic novels. Have a sea
by dave_f
Since comics in America have traditionally been serialized in 20 to 30 page installments, the term "graphic novel" is used to specify the longer comic works that began to emerge in the 70's and 80's. These works might run from 60 or 80 pages to several hundred to several thousand. Some fans do use the term too broadly as a legitimizing term for all comic books, since the name "comic books" is something of an albatross around the neck of the medium (that is, the term wrongly implies juvenile material to most of the American public). In any case, though "From Hell" *was* serialized in short installments, it's quite accurate to describe the collected volume as a graphic novel. It's phonebook-thick, and quite a dense read (especially if you factor in Moore's wildly meticulous footnotes). It's also probably the most insightful Jack the Ripper story ever written, though the quality level is actually irrelevent to the definition of a graphic novel. Basically, it's long as hell, so the description fits. And that's the true meaning of "graphic novel", Charlie Brown. If you've never looked into one, then you're foolishly cutting yourself off from discovering an entire medium of storytelling. So ends today's Public Service Announcement.
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Cartuna... what can I say? I am your bitch.
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It's a novel that's graphic.
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Is she the ultimate "uber-babe" or what? Even in that cruddy, blurry little JPEG, over-dressed in the Victorian get-up (I've always thought clothing from that era looked overly fussy, stiff and, well, stodgey... like people wrapped up in moldy old Persian rugs or something) she STILL manages to look gorgeous. As for Johhnny Depp, he looks like... Johnny Depp, as always. I never knew "heroine chic" was popular in the 1880's...
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Was in London myself two years ago. Even went on one of those tourist-y "Jack the Ripper" tours. There's still a small bit of old London peeking out here and there. But, for the most part, the Whitechapel area now looks like your basic, office/shopfront/warehouse district. It actually reminded me of downtown Atlanta. And absolutely NO "G'Mornin' guvnor!"-type Cockney accents, but the modern Londoner accent is still pretty freaky/cool to my Yankee ears.
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After reading the post that was not only ignorant to graphic novels (which really isn't that much of a crime)and attemted to belittle them as a term created by comic book geeks to make themselves feel better with; i was ready to pounce. But you did the job for me and probably better so. thanks for saving me a headache.
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i was starting to get excited over this movie. now they're making it into a whodunnit. that is so incredibly lame. but maybe its better that they leave him out as opposed to just cramming him in there like in Summer of Sam. That movie annoyed me. They'd show Berkowitz scream and bang his head off of stuff, then he'd go shoot people in a horribly violent way. I say either show the murderer in a realistic way (try to make him three dimensional) and show him kill however you want, or keep the character a secret and keep his murders shown after-the-fact. One of the only reasons Seven worked. When you're keeping the killer secret and show his killings it just seems like a lame excuse for gore and shock value. i'm done rambling. it was getting pretty off the wall and/or senseless.
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Don't know much about the film, but I do know that Heather Graham is one of the worst actresses working in Hollywood today. How anyone can even consider calling her talented and believable is something I can't imagine. In my opinion she has made every film I have seen her in significantly worse.
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Don't you mean look at the pictures? Several thousand pages of cartoon drawings does not a novel make. Calling a comic book, no matter what the length, a "graphic" novel, is an insult to novelists, much like calling country AND western singers and rap talkers artists is an insult to artists. But then that's an argument wasted on geek fanboys who can't read anything not misspelled and posted on the Internet, unless it has cartoon illustrations to guide them.
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Move along folks, nothing to see here. . .
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I humored CDS's question in my previous post in the off chance he might actually have the balls to respond with intelligence and an open mind. Turns out he's just one more pissed-off simp, the kind of poster Ain't-It-Cool-News will never lack for. For the record, CDS, your ignorant response means you LOSE the debate. You lost, so scamper off, won't you?
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He's afraid of what he does not, or possibly cannot understand. Why don't you try reading From Hell, or Hectic Planet, or Bone, or Lone Wolf and Cub, or Pedro and Me, or Transmetropolitan, or Sandman, or... wait, I'm assuming CDS knows how to read.
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Maus, Akira, Triple X, Mage, Sin City, Cerebus(pre Rick's Story anyway,) and Midnight Nation. Also, just to add credence to the "Novel" in Graphic novel, Harlan Ellison's Dream Corridor.
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not that i care (so don't go thinking you can validate your paltry attacks with my "emotional" outcries), but you're dumbass. And an idiot. ok, first things first, what you dismiss as 'cartoons' are in a lot of cases, talented drawings. hmmm, talented drawings are considered art these days, arent they? then, well, you have words that form a story, characters with dialogue, interaction and such. and if a comic is good enough to warrant a collected edition (or graphic [pictures] novels [words and stuff]) are usually very well written. i'm assuming you have respect for film as an art form. watch the Batman series of..."films"...then go pick up two batman graphic novels..uh..i mean funny books, the dark knight returns and batman year one. read from hell, then watch how the movie turns out. check out anything the post who's name escapes me recomened and see for yourself. jackass. and believe me, your ignorant remarks haven't upset me or anything. its 5 in the morning and i haven't slept. i'm trying to type up this story of mine on a damn word processor with no correcting tape. and i'm a perfectionist. fucking printer. so, how to end this eloquently? fuck you and goodnight.
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Jan 08, 2001 3:10:22 AM CST
A dialogue excerpt from "From Hell", just for you CDS, you popul
by dave_f
All this Ripper-talk made me want to re-read "From Hell", and I came across a fun passage that might do something to refute CDS's impotent dismissals of the medium. Nothing grisly within (sorry), just an interesting exchange between middle-aged men regarding architecture - an exhange that presages some of the story's eventual metaphysical elements. The speakers are the Queen's physician, William Gull, and his friend, James Hinton. It's early morning and they're walking towards a London church... **************** Hinton: "Dorset Street...the most evil in London, I'm told. I apologize. Our walks of twenty years so often lead to Whitechapel, where the plight of unfortunates first racked my heart." Gull: "At six in the morning its evil is evidently sleeping, Hinton, and we are quite safe. Do have a grape." (Hinton declines the seemingly curious offer, which will in fact have relevance in later chapters) No? You should. Grapes or raisins-with-water enliven the blood, postponing fatigue. As for Whitechapel, do not apologize. I enjoy visiting churches; attempting to fathom the minds of their architects. Few churches conceal secrets like Christ Church Spitalfields; or like the mind of its maker, Nicholas Hawksmoor." Hinton: "I've always found it unnerving." Gull: "Intentionally so! Hawksmoor designed several London churches to be of 'Solemn and awful appearance' following the pagan traditions of the ancient Dionysiac architects. He'd possibly also read Thomas Hobbes, the only thinker preceeding your friend Coleridge to suggest that certain symbols might subtly affect men's minds." (They pause at the steps of the church) Hinton: "Hawksmoor follows pagan traditions? I am astonished." Gull: "His cunning rhetoric concealed it, but the evidence surrounds us. This massive Doric portico, meant to instill a sense of 'terror and magnificence,' would to the ancients signify such awesome deities as Hercules; Minerva; Mars... Gods of strength, gods of wisdom and war. Come..let us venture within." (They enter the church, rendered in very harsh blacks) Hinton: "It's dark." Gull: "Hawksmoor cut stones to hold shadows; a Gothic trait, though Hawksmoor's influences were somewhat...older." Hinton: "The Dionysiac architects?" Gull: "Unmistakably. a secret fraternity of Dionysus cultists. Originating in 1000 B.C., they worked on Solomon's temple, eventually becoming the Middle Ages' traveling Masonic guilds. Their ingenious constructions merely symbolized their greater work: the Temple of Civilization; chiseling human history into an edifice worthy of God, its Great Architect. Borrowing proportions from God's Temple, the human body, they sought to become one with the processes of nature and thus immortal. Perfectly attuned, their monuments supposedly rang with the voices of the ages, echoes of futurity. Their accoustic secrets included passageways where you couldn't hear your own screams; chambers that re-echoed your merest sigh." Hinton: "Like St. Paul's whispering gallery?" Gull: "Hawksmoor assisted Wren with St. Paul's. Who knows which features are his. Such minds, Hinton, shaping infinity itself." Hinton: "You know Gull, this puts me in mind of some theories that my son, Howard, proposed to me. They suggest time is an illusion...that all times co-exist in the stupendous whole of eternity. He hopes to publish a pamphlet one day." Gull: "Indeed? And how shall this pamphlet be entitled?" Hinton: "'What is the Fourth Dimension?' Fourth dimensional patterns within Eternity's monolith would, he suggests, seem merely random events to third-dimensional percipients...events rising towards inevitable convergence like an archway's lines. Let us say something peculiar happens in 1788...a century later, related events take place. Then again 50 years later. Then 25 years. Then 12. An invisible curve, rising through the centuries." Gull: "Can history then be said to have an architecture, Hinton? The notion is most glorious and most horrible." (They exit the church and continue speaking for several more panels as their figures diminish in the distance) Gull: "Yet consider this church: built upon 'Ho-Spital Fields', where plague victims were buried...plague that entered London barely a mile away. In the 1760's troops bloodily suppressing Weaver's riots were barracked here in Christ Church. Nearby, in 1811, the Ratcliffe Highway Murders engendered our police force, now imitated throughout Europe. Perhaps Hawksmoor gouged more deeply an existing channel of suffering, violence and authority. Such purpose. I am fifty, my own purpose unrevealed despite meaningless laurels. But not Hawksmoor. His final labours raised two horns like jackal's ears upon a monument at England's governmental heart. An abbey built upon the ancient temple site of Anubis." Hinton: "Really? Which abbey is that?" Gull: "Westminster." ******************* Hmm, maybe CDS is right after all. A geeky passage like that is surely an insult to novelists everywhere right? Clearly fanboy bullshit, no doubt made all the more heinous by Eddie Campbell's harsh and beautiful black and white art. Why, the fact that illustrations are even used in that narrative must surely put it on the same level as "Family Circus"! One more point of interest: the elaborate conversation I transcribed was merely a three page sequence in a story of several hundred pages. Still with me, CDS?
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I've missed a few of the titles you mentioned ("Mage", "Triple X", and "Cerebus"), but I can vouch for the rest as excellent stuff. And because one good list deserves another, let me add a few of my own favorites: "Thieves & Kings", "Veils", "Nausicaa", "Castle Waiting", "Berlin", "100 Bullets", "Age of Bronze", "Louis Riel", "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen", and P. Craig Russell's comic adaptation of "The Ring of the Nibelung". I enjoy a fairly eclectic mix of comics, but fantasy (in the Tolkien sense of the word) is the genre I'm most enjoying of late. Oh yeah, and I recently stumbled across a forgotten Vertigo miniseries called "Chiaroscuro" that chronicles the life of Leonardo da Vinci. It's so damn good that it kills me it wasn't successful enough to be collected as a trade paperback. Curse you, Popular Taste, you miss out on some kick-ass stories!
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It was absolutely unadulterated ARSE. Jesus, Edward Hyde looked like uncle Fester from The Addams Family, except that he was ten feet tall with red eyes. It was supposed to be a nightmare rumination on the concept of self and other, and the dangers of hypocrisy and repression, not some unintentionally hilarious monster movie. London, like my own Dublin, is a disappointing city generally, the Dickensian gothic and Christopher Wren stand as pockets in a sprawl of shiny bauhaus and glass. Most cities that got injected with wealth after a peiod of poverty or destruction (WW2) are rebuilt by clueless arrogant councils run by philistines.
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the reason graphic novels are called graphic novels are to begin to escape the kind of predjudices people like you have against the medium. The term "comic book" emplies that the subject matter has to be lightweight and humerous. But comics are essentially a combination of words and pictures in sequence on a page (as opposed to words in sequence on a page, or images and sound in sequence on a screen) and contain nothing inherant in that format that dictate light or humerous content.
The term "Graphic Novel" describes the medium without suggesting anything about its content, and was first coined by Will Eisner (I think). The whole point is to get over predjudices such as yours.
I don't really have a problem with you thinking like this - I just wish you'd give the medium a try and see what it can do for you (From Hell being a good example of what you can do with it - a book that is certainly a lot more than simply "looking at the pictures".
(Incidentally, a graphic novel that contains no text at all is still technically "read". You view the images in sequence to communicate concepts and ideas, just like letters (essentially abstract images) being viewed in sequence, when put together, communicate concepts and ideas. So there.)
Finally, I'd just like to say that I'm an artist, and although I don't care for Country and Western, saying that calling it art is an insult to artists is something I find insulting myself. You don't have to like it for it to be art. It doesn't have to be any good at all for it to be art. If it's creative, it's art. And yes, before you ask, comics are an artform. And yes, graphic novels are novels, both technicly and artisticly speaking.
PS - no I'm not a geek fanboy, I'm a casual reader who gets annoyed at people slagging something off that they don't really know anything about.
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Just wanted to recommend Rick Geary's treatment of the Jack the Ripper story, in his ongoing Treasury of Victorian Murder series. Nowhere near as deep as any Alan Moore read, but a lot easier on the eyes than the Eddie Campbell scritchy-scratchy acquired-taste art. Comic books are very rewarding, all you have to do is pick one up and read it. Challenging fiction is a good thing, whether in a two-hour movie or a 32-page book. And whether you breeze your way through the X-Men or Alan Moore's Tom Strong, or whether you fight your way through Bacchus or the Birth Caul, you can get something out of it, man! (Ya hear me, cds, you fuckface you!? What, did you name yourself after your Limp Bizkit "cds"?) Long live comicbooks, and all the traditions thereof! Except for the tradition of half-ass comicbook movie adaptations. Maybe this movie will be great.
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Then Heather Graham would have been born a redhead. She looks REALLY good.
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Jan 08, 2001 12:41:40 PM CST
Does the technology exist yet to give Heather Graham a soul?
by superninja
Hopefully she just looks pretty and doesn't talk to much in this film. Johnny Depp always gives an interesting performance in anything he does. I admire these filmmakers for doing something so offbeat and I wish them success.
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It's already perfect from start to finish -- who could direct it and be faithful? It's practically a moving picture on the illustrated page anyway. I would certainly love to see the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen adapted, but again, will they remain faithful? If what people are saying is true in regards to the changes in From Hell, it's another sad day for comic fans everywhere. The true problem here is Alan Moore likes to create a real world with real people and put them in extraordinary situations. What Hollywood does is the exact opposite of that -- they blow everything up these days to unrealistic proportions to the point where the audience doesn't identify with the characters. This is especially true for comics2film.
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. . .since I'm getting "From Hell" tomorrow, along with "300." Then I'm starting on my first novel of the year, Stephanson's "The Diamond Age." I'm making an agressive effort to seek out excellence this year, in comix, books AND movies--which is why the remastered print of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT down at Cinema 21 is first on my flick list this week.
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I hope you enjoy both From Hell and 300, which is a title I add to my abovementioned list of great Graphic Novels. I don't have a chance to see Hard Days Night this week, but hopefully I'll run into you Saturday when Crouching Tiger FINALLY comes to Portland. Oh, and if cds is here, has read all the above posts, and still has the mindset that comic books have no artistic or literary merit, I have a job for you. Find a copy of the Pulitzer Prize winning-let me repeat that, PULITZER PRIZE winning Maus, read it cover to cover, then ask yourself this question, "Do you see any Telletubbies?"
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.......Johnny Cash and Marty Robbins are bad-asses. Older country music is great (it was THE primary influence on Bob Dylan you know). But two bit hookers like Shania Twain and the Dixie Chicks (plus the advent of hillbillies with long hair and leather pants) have solidified modern "country" music as the entertainment of po' white trash.
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Well, AT FRIGGIN' LAST is all I've got to say. Jeez, all the cool stuff takes forever to get here. Earthquakes be dammed, I'm movin' to 'Frisco, or maybe Seattle--someplace that's on the cultural main drag. Oh, and about country music--yeah, the old stuff (especially '20's and '30's vintage) is the best. Modern country? Blech. Boring.
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Jan 09, 2001 10:15:08 AM CST
My New Copy Of THE MAMMOTH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE UNSOLVED by Colin
by buzz maverik
...that Aleister Crowley went around telling everyone that the Saucy Jack was his rival black magician Roslyn D'Onston Stevenson. Stevenson preferred to be called D'Onston, so Crowley always called him Roslyn. "Hi, Roslyn!" or "Did you know you have a girl's name, Roslyn?"
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The Sickert-Gull-carriage driver thing has been done to death. It's absolutely preposterous; and for a film to explain that in two hours is going to be, um, difficult. Well, at least the costumes/sets/Heather will be pretty. I wish Jack could just be the madman that he was! Wouldn't that be more fun?
A Ripperlogist.
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