FILMFORCE.IGN Scores Sweet ST:TMP - SE Images!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
You guys remember Glen, right? The guy who used to run AICN Coax? Good egg. Met him a few times. Like him a lot. Haven't seen him here at AICN in a while. Well, that's because he's been busy at FilmForce.IGN, where he managed to grab a pretty cool shot of what Robert Wise is up to with the restored version of a film I absolutely detest, STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.
Wait, wait, wait, you're saying. You said they were sweet images, a cool photo. But you hate the film. Whazzup with that? I can appreciate that if I were really into ST:TMP, I might be excited to see what work is being done on the film. I can't believe anyone in their right mind is actually still spending money to spruce this turd up, but that's their right, I suppose, and I certainly think that Foundation Imaging is doing some great work on bringing a new energy to a film that I find to be a more potent sleep aid than Nyquil. Check it out, and see for yourself.
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Dec. 14, 2000, 5:23 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2000, 10:13 a.m. CST
What's even happenning in that first picture?
Dec. 14, 2000, 10:36 a.m. CST
by maxwell's hammer
you know, i may not be a big advocate of all of Lucas's adjustments to Star Wars, and I haven't seen the new and improved Star Trek just yet, but when I watch the original movies, I am a bit bothered by the kitschy bad special effects. I don't watch those movies to relive the corniness of the 70's. I watch them to be transported to whatever other realities those filmmakers tried to take me to in their films. And when Lucas tried to take me to Mos Eisley, and it looks like it was built on a Wal-Mart parking lot, I was rather grateful that he redid the spaceport with CGI. Now when i watch, i really feel like I'm in a seedy spaceport on the other side of the galaxy. I'm sure anything Wise fixed in Star Trek can only be an improvement on what is almost a good movie. And I think the new and improved Vulcan is a bit more believable. The original looked like Spock had suddenly stumbled into a Chuck Jones cartoon and would bumb into Marvin the Martian at any moment.
Dec. 14, 2000, 10:42 a.m. CST
by LT Weezie
Terrific images! Gosh looks better than the live model originally used (which was HUGE). When I was working in the film (ST-TMP), one soundstage was being used for the "flyover" SPFX shots with the huge model. It must have weighed a ton from the looks of it, and even close up, it was awesome! I can't wait to see the finished product. If Robert Wise has a hand in it, it will be a work of art, because he is truly not only a wonderful person, he is an artist with the camera as his brush and the film medium as his canvas!
Dec. 14, 2000, 10:58 a.m. CST
I have always loved this movie -- more for sentimental reasons than any other. I remember seeing it for the first time and my hair standing on end during the Enterprise fly-by. And I could never understand the complaints of people who said that what made Star Trek unique was that it was a cerebral, character-driven show that dealt with issues -- it wasn't a shoot-em-up sci-fi potboiler. And yet they screamed because the movie didn't have lots of action! That being said, I'm not opposed to a new version. I knew back in 1979 that the cut that I saw wasn't Robert Wise's vision of the film, that effects hadn't been finished and scenes deleted and so on. To me, the really criminal revision was the extended version, where Paramount saw fit to drop INCOMPLETE effects shots into the film! As long as Wise himself is overseeing this re-edit, I'm excited to see it. Besides, I always have my original, theatrical cut on laserdisc... :)
Dec. 14, 2000, 12:17 p.m. CST
I kept seeing that all through this item and thought "maybe I should know who this guy is" I just looked him up on IMDB - he's 86 years old! He made his first film in 1942! Before that he was an editor. One of the movies he edited was this little thing you may have heard of called Citizen Kane? He directed, among many many others; Run Silent, Run Deep; West Side Story, The Sound of Music, The original version of The Haunting, and (Holy Crap!) The Day the Earth Stood Still!!! Well into his seventies he made the MTV style urban teen musical Rooftops, just to show us whippersnappers that just because it's been half a century since he was a young punk, he still knows what they like to see. So he can reinvision Star Trek the Motion Picture into pornographic documentary if he wants to, I think he has well beyond earned the right. PS - I liked ST:TPM when I first saw it (I was seven) and again when I saw it televised (I was 11) I do remember it being slow, but I'd like to see it again as an adult. Naturally, I would like the original version to be available on the same DVD release, but I am curious to see how this old master would like his film to be remembered.
Dec. 14, 2000, 1:02 p.m. CST
Look at his cartoon! And he hates Star Trek: The Motion Picture, just like Nimoy! The dastardly professor's identity is revealed!
Dec. 14, 2000, 1:26 p.m. CST
While not exactly for, I am not against this trend. We've all heard tales of woe about how some films, mainly event features, are rushed into theatres by studio exectutive deadlines before post can be completed to the satisfaction of filmmakers. This is invariably a shame and the product most always suffers. I see nothing inheirently wrong with the substitution of "revised" elements that were intended to be included in the first place. I do take issue with the addition of new elements and then am asked to accept this as the definitive representation of said product without being given the opportunity to view the original version as a template for comparison. No one likes it that, now, Greedo fires first or that Ripley and Hicks exchange first names, but that is what we are forced to except as gospel. Every filmmaker with a wart on his fanny itching to "restore" or "revise" should take a page out of Gilliam's book. When circumstances, i.e. technical limitiations, or an executive brainfart shits on you and your film take it over to Voyager and they'll whip up a nice Criterion edition that includes it all. That's the essense of DVD. Jesus Christ, you get two sides; use them. I know I'd be a little more appreciative of the "definitive" Touch of Evil disc if it included the film in it's original form. I don't know why we're bothering at all; this arguement stems from a prospective Paramount disc. We'll be lucky if there's chapter stops.
Dec. 14, 2000, 2:05 p.m. CST
by Pizza The Hut
That is all I have to say. Bo-shuda!
Dec. 14, 2000, 2:46 p.m. CST
...I even got a photo from a book to compare (okay, so I have time on my hands this evening) and I have to say that the USS Enterprise has NEVER looked better. The CGI model is acually more realistic looking that the model they built for the movie, then was used film after film, being handed down to whichever f/x house got the contract, according the book "ILM : Into The Digital Realm". (Incidentally....Trekkie trivia, the "new" Enterprise introduced at the end of "Trek IV" the NCC 1701-A was just the same old model from '79 with new paint. Says so in the ILM book.) So, apart from "Doing a Georgie" and revamping some visual sequences, anybody out there have any idea what else the venerable Mr Wise is doing to the film. Just a suggestion, but he COULD cut several of the V'ger interior f/x and cast reaction to same that slow the film down sooooo badly.
Dec. 14, 2000, 9:37 p.m. CST
well, it could happen, I don't have my glasses on. I saw it and thought "Holy shit, Lucas, will you stopit already, the flick came out last year!"
Dec. 14, 2000, 10:33 p.m. CST
Before this bastardised version becomes all you can get. Sure, making it look better might be a nice idea... but how about letting a fucking movie rest?
Dec. 15, 2000, 12:27 a.m. CST
I am not a big fan of "Special Editions" but in this case I'm interested because I happen to know people who worked on the film and know about all the stuff that didn't make it in because time ran out. For those whodon't know it, 11 months into production Wise and Paramount had to release FX house Robert Abel & Associates and hire a whole new efefcts crew to do all the shots for the film in the remaining nine months. Because of this, a lot of scenes were abandoned...including action scenes of a security guard being cooked by the energy probe, the Enterrpise zig-zagging to evade V'ger's attack, etc. As it stood, what effects were delievered arrived so late that by the time they could be cut into the picture there was no time left for Wise to edit it properly. In fact, Jerry Goldsmith recorded the opening title on Monday and the film premiered 3 days later! Wise admited way back then that if he'd been given two more weeks he could have cut anywhere from 7 to 15 minutes from the film, which would have corrected a lot of the pacing problems. So, a slimmed down version with the action scenes restored would better represent what Wise was shooting for, and I for one am cautiously optimistic that it'll make for a better film, and finally can shake the "Motionless Picture" mantle.
Dec. 15, 2000, 9:56 a.m. CST
This is the only star trek movie that I can take seriously. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Trek (TOS); but whether it's Ricardo Montalban's rubber chest, or the uber-slow fight between three really old guys in the desert in "Generations", or it's Spock"s emotional brother stealing the enterprise to go shoot God with a photon torpedo, I cannot take the other movies for anything except fun action films. The Motion Picture had a pretty intriguing concept. Not only that but it had all of the following elements contributing to its overall goodness: 1) somebody's molecules finally got scrambled by the teleporter 2) Bones as a futuristic swinger, medallion included 3) the dad from "Seventh Heaven" 4) Persis Khambatta! More movies should be so lucky as to feature this former ms.India. Next should be a special edition of mega-force. If they could manage to tie in v'ger with the borg, I might actually start liking the borg. Speaking of which, how come "Star Trek: Voyager" is not entitled "Star Trek: V'ger"? Anyway, if they come out with a new version of ST:TMP I'll be one of the first to buy it.
Dec. 15, 2000, 10:43 a.m. CST
Persis Khambatta was one of the most beautiful sci-fi women of all time. I like the movie, but the Wrath of Khan is superior -- the best of the series to date. I think the Next Gen. movies are tired and they should do a something about the Vulcan Academy or the history between the Romulans and the Vulcans. I think out of all the characters created in Star Trek, they are the most fascinating -- the pacificst Vulcans and the violent Romulans.
Dec. 15, 2000, 5:04 p.m. CST
When they improve CGI technology to the point where they can fix pretentious scripts, wooden acting, and strikingly dull directing then we'll see a GOOD Star Trek: The Motion Picture. If you put a coat of paint over shit, it's still shit. Just prettier looking shit.
Dec. 15, 2000, 5:29 p.m. CST
by Saucy Jack
Sigh. It's impossible for me not to have affection for this flawed, at times lethally boring, beautiful film. I love the long Enterprise flyby, and what was our first look at the ship in ten years. I love Dr. McCoy's entrance. I love the fact that they allowed Kirk to get a little rusty after years behind a desk, that he had to reacquaint himself with the Enterprise and the concept of being in command. I loved Spock's quest for Kohlinar, and that it wasn't one big love-fest the minute he stepped back on the bridge--this was a movie that dared to allow the characters to have grown since the series ended! Most of all, I love that ending. I love the lighting, the special effects. I love the irony of the origin of V'Ger. There's a long shot of all the characters in the "temple of V'ger" (for lack of a better word), where they're just looking around. You can see it all in the faces of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. These are three old friends who have seen so much, had such incredible adventures, and it looks like it's about to end--not just for them, but for the entire Earth. They're about to lose it all, and yet...at the same time, they've just discovered the most incredible life form they've ever encountered! An awesome being that has seen and learned more than any human or vulcan could imagine! This looks like the end for them, and yet at the same time, they're experiencing a moment of rare majesty and beauty. There's an intimacy, a sense of awe, that really strikes a cord with me. And then, Decker's merging with V'Ger...The (to this day still) beautiful light show...and as we get one last glimpse at a higher plane, at a place humanity may someday go...it all winks out, and we're left looking at our old friend the Enterprise. Combined with Jerry Goldsmith's score, it's magic. I was recently looking through some old reviews on this site, and ran across Harry's review of Armaggedon, a movie I and a lot of other geeks hated. Harry was unabashed in his love of the film, pointing out that parts of it reminded him of cherished moments with his dad when he was younger. He reminded us that film is a personal thing, that each movie makes an impression unique to each of us. So I can understand why Moriary and others would dislike this film. There's no denying that the damn thing is slower than a Florida vote counter, and the V'Ger flyover is particularly irritating. But damn if this movie still doesn't give me chills.
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