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Derek Flint Reviews STAR TREK: TMP DVD

Published at: Dec. 9, 2000, 3:27 p.m. CST

El Cosmico here from Butt-Numb-A-Thon, our man Derek Flint has been kind enough to send in a review of the upcoming Star Trek: The Motion Picture DVD. It's a film I've always enjoyed, as much for its weirdness as for anything else. It seems that it will be receiving a suitable treatment. Here's our pal Derek:

There’s been much debate about the virtue behind George Lucas tinkering with the “Star Wars” trilogy for those “special editions” of his.  Some found it obsessive, while others complained it was just a shameless marketing tool to get us all to plunk down money again for three movies everyone knows by heart.

As far as the other sci fi franchise “Star Trek,” the one presently dismantled and run into the ground by Rick Berman and his band of inept brothers, there’s never been any outcry over tinkering with any of those movies.  (Personally, if there were some way to use CGI to remove Berman from “Star Trek” altogether… I’d cheer.)

A few months back it was announced that “Star Trek – The Motion Picture” would be going through some sort of overhaul and enhancements for its home video release on DVD.  I don’t think it caused a whole lot of excitement out there, probably because nothing about “Trek” is.  It feels so over.  We owe a big thank you to Rick for that.

Also, a lot of people don’t love “ST: TMP” in comparison to other films in the series.  It’s slow and rambling, devoid of the traits of the characters we all know and love, but it was also completed in haste.  Even the legendary director Robert Wise wasn’t pleased. 

From what I know of “Trek” history, the picture released was essentially their “first assembly.”

As far as improvements, “Star Trek – The Motion Picture”could only go up… and gone up it has.

I was able to sneak a peek at what’s being called “The Director’s Edition” of “Star Trek – The Motion Picture” and was very excited by what I saw.  I have no idea whether they’ve toyed with any sort of theatrical release for this version; my guess is not given the general malaise surrounding the “franchise.” 

Still, for me there is no “franchise,” there’s only Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the rest of the gang.  I can still remember the cheers which welcomed their appearances on screen back when I was a kid in ’79 when “ST: TMP” first came out. 

Seeing “The Director’s Edition” gave me a sincere wish.

I wish THIS were the version that could have been released originally almost twenty years ago.

The film has been edited tighter.  Sure, it still takes awhile to fly around the Enterprise near the beginning, accompanied by the strains of Jerry Goldsmith’s majestic score.  The same applies to the now infamous V’Ger flyover, which has always served as the ultimate intermission, giving everybody the chance to use the restroom, grab popcorn or just plain close your eyes for a few minutes. 

Still, these sequences have been pulled up a bit and play much better within the context of this more focused version.

Some of the fabled deleted scenes that made their way onto the TV versions and home video releases are in here, and a lot of the dull, redundant banter has been chopped out. I missed nothing.  There’s also been re-editing of scenes, including the “Spock crying” part near the end that basically validates what you’ve been watching for the past two hours.

What everyone will be talking about, besides the incredible new sound mix with layers and layers of improved material, is the new and enhanced special effects that are sprinkled throughout “The Director’s Edition.”  Every one of these shots vastly improves the experience.  Gone is that cheesy matte shot which first introduced Vulcan.  In its’ place is a breathtaking vista which would draw cheers from an audience, if only they'd release this version to theaters.

The same applies to the new sequence that shows Kirk’s shuttle zipping over San Francisco. It’s incredible, and hands down beats any of the SFX you’ve seen in the “Star Trek” films that followed this one, including “The Next Generation.”  CGI rules.

There’s also love for TOS to be found throughout this“enterprise.” 

Look in the corner of the San Francisco shuttle bay and you’ll notice an original series style shuttle resting there.  Unfortunately, it’s too small in frame to see whether or not it’s “The Galileo 7” but I’ll bet you it is. 

It’s clear the people involved in this love the original “Star Trek” and know more about its’ history than those currently extinguishing its proud flame.

I remember reading the novelization of “Star Trek – The Motion Picture” before the movie came out, then being as disappointed as everyone else was with the movie… even though we couldn’t entirely bring ourselves to admit it.  This version of the same movie lives up to that book, especially during the finale where the scenes involving V’Ger FINALLY have the breathtaking opticals that make the ending climatic, as opposed to anti-climatic. The “space walk” sequence as Kirk and company journey from the Enterprise dish over to V’Ger has been rendered exactly as originally conceived, and is marvelous.

There are numerous changes and additions, and my favorite remains what you see outside the window during the scene where Kirk asked Spock to “please sit down.”  Unlike the first “Star Wars” movie where the new material kept pulling me out of the film on my initial viewing… this made me feel like I was finally seeing a finished film.

:”Star Trek – The Motion Picture” is well worth revisiting.  All those moments which always worked, seeing the crew reassembled and dear DeForest Kelley beam back aboard with a beard, are there… but now the movie doesn’t flat line after the Enterprise leaves dry-dock.

Ultimately, you may still like “The Wrath Of Khan” or “TheVoyage Home” more than “Star Trek – The Motion Picture,” but I guarantee you’ll probably wind up watching “The Director’s Edition” more than any of the other TOS “Trek” movies, thanks to the wonderful work of all those involved.  (Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to sample whatever extras will be on the DVD release… but I’m sure they’re stellar.)

All’s well that end’s well. “Star Trek – The Motion Picture – The Director’s Edition” finally end’s well.

Your Man,

Derek Flint

Thank you kindly, Derek, for such a fine review.

-El Cosmico

elcosmico@aintitcool.com

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  • Dec. 9, 2000, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Sweet

    by LongAway

    I'm impressed that Paramount actually did something constructive with Trek, for once. Hopefully, though, the original cut won't be tossed aside and forgotten about. That's the one thing I don't like about director's cuts and special editions: the total disavowment of the orginal work.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Amen!

    by icedragon

    I could watch the movie again if they just cut down the fly by scene with the Enterprise and the eternal fly by of v-ger. Even on fast forward that part takes minutes to get through. This one might actually be worth picking up. I agree here that Trek has been driven into the great Ho-Hum. I just don't care any more. Nothing shocking is going to happen. Just the same ole stuff every week. (With the exceptions of some of the DS9 episodes at the end).

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Star Trek

    by readthis!!

    I just hope this dvd is better than the orginal movie. Having like most of the star trek films ST:TMP was the worst from tos. How can't you improve the movie?

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Quit your bitching

    by Pomona88

    ST: TMP was a good flick. All of you whiners who bash it endlessly sound like the lame-asses who think 2001 is boring. If you can't handle slow-paced science fiction, go watch some fucking Ewoks.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 4:49 p.m. CST

    I'll be picking one up for sure

    by monkeylucifer

    I just wonder why Paramount didn't take this opportunity to jump on the rerelease bandwagon and send this one into the theaters before releasing it on DVD and VHS. This would be one rerelease I would actually support, and I just know they get all the sci-fi geeks out and into the theaters for this one on the big screen. As boring as this film can be at times, it really is a beautiful looking Trek movie.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 4:49 p.m. CST

    I'll be picking one up for sure

    by monkeylucifer

    I just wonder why Paramount didn't take this opportunity to jump on the rerelease bandwagon and send this one into the theaters before releasing it on DVD and VHS. This would be one rerelease I would actually support, and I just know they get all the sci-fi geeks out and into the theaters for this one on the big screen. As boring as this film can be at times, it really is a beautiful looking Trek movie.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 5:23 p.m. CST

    "....I wish THIS were the version that could have been released

    by KnightWhoSaysNi

    Ok kids, time for a little math. Right now we are in the year 2000. Star Trek: The Motion Picture came out in 1979. He even states that two sentences before he derails. Well, by my calculations that means this movie came out 21 years ago, not almost 20 as this guy claims....sorry, did I fail to mention, I'm insanely obsessive compulsive, and inconsistencies like that just drive me to the brink of insanity, hehe

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 6:19 p.m. CST

    ST - TMP-- BEEN THERE DONE THAT!

    by LT Weezie

    Well once again, El Cosmico has been the bearer of wonderful news!Ever since the film came out on Beta Tape, and then Laser, I have been hoping for a special edition with more scenes...not only because they are always special, but because I was fortunate enough to be a part of the film as a member of the Enterprise crew--a Lieutenant in the Science Department. I was there for several weeks, and need I say it was the most exciting time of my life short of being able to take a trip in a shuttle? (The photographs I shot have never been published. My favorite is of Leonard as Spock and me in my uniform!) There are many scenes I saw filmed on days I wasn't working that never saw the light of day..let alone the bloopers and other goofs I was thrilled to witness! (I usually suited up in my white jumpsuit to savor every second!) There was also a "Making of" short filmed that never saw the light of day as far as I know. One thing that has made the DVDs so terrific is that they have taken a cue from Laserdiscs and put in the "Bonus Material." I hope that the ST-TMP Special Edition has lots of surprises and treats for all of us!

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Great, Great, Great News!

    by ARCTURUS

    Usually I'm pretty good at keeping up with what's going on with Star trek, but this Director's cut DVD was long overdue. Sounds like it's well worth viewing, from the description. Now, if only Paramont will give the "criterion-colletionesque" treatment to the other Star Trek movies (or, at the least, wrath of Khan) I'll be very happy.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 7:20 p.m. CST

    It was supposed to be a tv show

    by stjohnix

    Star Trek:The Motion Sickness was supposed to be a pilot for a new tv series in 1978 but they bumped it up to movie status. It showed.

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Admiral Nogura???

    by Demarzule

    Hiya! Can the good Mr. Flint pliz tell us if Kirk's confrontation with Admiral Nogura was restored? There seems to be some doubt if it was even filmed in the first place. Luv yuzz awl! Dem

  • Dec. 9, 2000, 10:11 p.m. CST

    CGI new stuff

    by MCVamp

    They went in and digitally reconstructed the crappy [astel unifrms to be the wine-colored "Khan" outfits, the "wormhole" sequence has been fixed so that instead of sounding like a slowed down record, James Earl Jones, Avery Brooks, and Arnold Schwarzenegger portray Kirk, Decker, and Chekov, and Ilia now has a full head of shimmering blue CGI hair. Speaking of hair, Shatner's toupee was touched up, adding visible roots that appear to be regular hair. The Enterprise now has "Berman was here" spraypainted on the side, and the Klingons in the beginning have Burger King wrappers littering the ship, in a tribute to the "Trekkies" documentary. Honestly though, for some reason I do watch the first movie from time to time, my favorite part being the overture at the beginning. What was the last major adventure film to really have an overture? The Black Hole? Either way, I'm going to at least rent this one.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 12:17 a.m. CST

    ST-TMP

    by Data

    Ah, Star Trek: The Motion Picture, that film among films... that suck. Hehe.. But seriously, folks, I'm open minded about this whole thing. In fact, I wish they would release the original series and the first few seasons of TNG with re-done sfx. However, maybe not. After all, we shouldn't disregard the work of the old effects people... no matter how much the bad guys look like Power Ranger rejects... I'm not sure how much I care for this "trimming of other scenes"... I think a movie, even though boring in spots shouldn't be edited... unless of course the people who made the flick had a ghange of vision. And BTW, Rick hasn't run Trek into the ground JUST yet. DS9 was excellent. Voyager? What do you expect? Just look at the commentaries that the cast make so much? Beltran complains, Mulgrew calls Bektran lazy, Russ says it's tedious..... You can't have a good show when there's no chemistry between the cast. Mulgrew was a bad coice anyway, and Voyager didn't have a GREAT concept to begin with. They had to have known that it would get tedious, and that the stories would suffer so far from Federation space. I felt that TNG and DS9 was awesome, and though the last film wasn't as good as First Contact or Generations, it was still pretty good. and Generations WAS a good flick.... Kirk's death has been said to be dis-honorable... well, at least it wasn't a Tasha Yar death....that death had no meaning, which, in a way, was actually a greater death... because it was far more tragic.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Great, more revisionist history...

    by JackBurton

    Now sure this may well be an improvement, at least in this reviewers eyes, but what about the few that actually enjoyed the original Trek film? It's a case of fuck 'em, as usual. What if they want to see their version of Trek on DVD, well too bad because now this "new and improved" version will be the only one on DVD. Now this wouldn't be so bad if the original (or extended video version) were also available on DVD, or as part of this release, ala T2: Ultimate edition, but doing things like this is always, in my view, just a kick in the teeth to the fans, and we can thank Steven Spielberg (Close Encounters) and George Lucas (the Star wars trilogy) for popularising this kind of shit. Fuck you Steven and George, fuck you very much.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Release Date?

    by RightWing Dude

    Great! Now, when can I expect it to be coming out? One site says that it's being released in January while another says May......Just curious.....

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I agree with Whoever.

    by Roger U. Roundly

    Tasha Yar's death was a bit pointless, but it was given much more meaning in the aftermath that bit on the holodeck got me all teary, that was the only time that happened to me in the whole run of TNG. Kirk's death could just have happened in a more sweepingly cinematic way for my money, with a better build up. Personally, I don't see why Kirk couldn't have ended up in the Nexus. It wouldn't have been so hard to do. I mean, what's one more contrivance in the universe of Berman Trek. At least it would have left open the possibility that Kirk could die a proper death in a sequel someday.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 10:17 a.m. CST

    SOLD

    by Norm3

    I will be picking up a copy!

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 10:34 a.m. CST

    A question for Derek

    by Cinepixel

    No mention was made of the Kirk/Spock spacewalk into V'ger. As originally shot (and in the book), but unfinished, Spock went out into V'ger; Kirk follows and is attacked by V'ger's electronic antibodies. Is this the version in the Special Edition or is it the theatrical version where Spock dons his thruster suit and goes out alone? Cinepixel

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST

    trek deaths

    by Gordon Shumway

    What about Dax's death? That was another one that just happened. I'd say the most honorable death was Vedek Bareil's. He knew he was dying while helping his enemy, but the work needed to be done.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Considering what the great Robert Wise had to work with scriptwi

    by Uncapie

    ...its not one of my favorites, but I'll check it out.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Sounds like good news to me!

    by B5Erik

    I've been hoping that ST:TMP would be re-edited to make it fut in with the Star Trek style for over 10 years. The Enterprise fly-by and the V'Ger fly-in are two sequences that could be cut in half, and then including the extra footage from the TV/Video version would give you a much better film. The revamped scenes as described sound like even more of an improvement than I ever hoped for! I can't wait for this DVD!

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 3:24 p.m. CST

    NEW STAR TREK SUCKS !!!!!!

    by DARTH VOODOO

    I love the idea of using cgi on TMP. Now if only they could use cgi to remove those piece of shit programs Ds9 and Voyager that have killed the entire series. Are the people over at Paramont that stupid that they don't realize that nobody cares about new Star Trek? Look at the ratings NOBODY CARES ABOUT NEW TREK. I say do one more trek film with Kirk,Spock,Scotty and the crew of TNG and then give the series at least a 5 year break. Yeah I know Kirk is suppose to be dead but you could bring him back through that foolish nexus thing. I wonder if Berman knew that when he killed Kirk off to prove that his version of trek was the best version. He would be killing off the popularity of trek. Is it just a coincedence that when Ds9 and Voyager had crossover episodes with the cast of TOS they got their best ratings ever? Or that Shatners books about the return of Kirk are the best selling Trek books ever? Or that the TOS dvd's have all been best sellers? While nobody watches Ds9 or Voyager for free at home. Or that with the exception of First Contact Trek has not had a commercial hit and is on the brink of going under since King Berman killed of Kirk and in essence the rest of the TOS crew. We use to have the Legendary Captain Kirk (a major pop icon) and his crew. But now in Rick Berman's version of S.T. we get Neelix and Nog and a bunch of boring P.C. characters that nobody but a few hardcore trek geeks even know who they are. Ask the average person on the street who Kirk and Spock are and I bet they at least have an idea who they are. If you were to ask the same person who Tom Paris or Janeway are, I'd bet my life they would have no idea who they are. Which proves my point nobody cares about new trek. NEW STAR TREK SUCKS. BRING BACK THE REAL S.T. KIRK,SPOCK AND PICARD FOR ONE LAST FILM AND THEN GIVE THE SERIES A LONG REST BEFORE BERMAN KILLS WHAT IS LEFT OF THE ONCE LEGENDARY SERIES.

  • I am a Star Trek Fan but even I dislike The Motion Picture. It is so boring it gives me a headache each time I watch it. I like to say it is the first film that plays better on video, played at Fast Forward. I am sure some love the original version and hate the idea of any changes but I along with over 90% of the fans have always wanted the changes. George Lucas said once in an inteview that "some Science Fiction Film makers waste time to show how much work they have put into the film, That is a waste of Film Time". If TMP had maintained the speed of The Klingon attack on V'Ger then it would have been 1 times better from the mess that was released.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I meant 10 times better.

    by Roborob

    nuff said.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 4:45 p.m. CST

    What the hell?

    by enigmainyourhead

    All you people bitching about DS9 probably didn't watch the whole thing. I know when it was first on, I didn't give it a chance past the 3rd season, but I've been watching the reruns for months now, and it is by far one of the best (sc-fi) shows ever. Unless you don't like annoying things like character development, long well thought out storylines and good action. Any mook that thinks TNG deserves another technobabble-laced movie deserves a slap in the mouth, DS9 is the only series past TOS that had what a movie needs- a grand scope and solid characters and actors.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Wrath of Khan is the only Trek worth watching

    by SilentBob X

    I don't care what so-called 'goodies are included on the original, ST 2 is the only good Trek out there.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 6:16 p.m. CST

    So the "director's cut" DVD finally restores the lost footage

    by KingKrypton

    Well, it's about time. The scenes that were cut from the film and shown on the TV/home video versions are the exact scenes that made the film so good. In fact, the first time I saw STTMP was on ABC in its expanded form. Then I saw the theatrical cut on TBS and wow, the expanded version is infinitely better. I was originally afraid that Wise would ignore the missing footage, but thankfully, this isn't the case. I will definitely give this a shot.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I *love* the V'Ger flyover!

    by IAmTheFool

    Honest, I do, I always did, and it always gets cut when the movie plays on TV, and it pisses me off! I think that sequence is critical in establishing just how awesome and majestic and powerful V'Ger is, and I *always* watch it with wide open eyes all the way through. Anyway, maybe I'm just contrary, but I've always thought this was one of the best ST movies (only II & VI are better, in my opinion), and I'm looking forward to seeing the new cut. Oh, and Rick Berman needs to take a trip through a faulty transporter.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I not a big Star Trek fan, but....

    by Playkins

    ...I agree that the original Star Trek was always the best. I think Gene Roddenberry once described it as "wagon train to the stars". Well, gone is the wagon train, all we get now is thinly-disquised political commentary and poorly thought out theoretical astronomy. I'm happy that they're redoing the original movie, but I hope they end up doing the rumored prequel series. More exploration, action and drama would help. And I might actually watch it.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I Must Concur

    by CapnCrunch

    While I must agree that Trek is at an all time low, you cannot blame that ALL one Rick Berman. Some of the blame must go to Paramount for not ending Berman's reign of terror over Trek long before now. And while DS9 was a quality show, I don't feel that it was essentially Trek in it's nature. Voyager...erm...well, Voyager is the red-headed step child of the franchise that needs to be put out on it's proverbial ass. Words can't express how elated I am that Voyager will be going off the air this year. The ratings for that show are downright embarrassing. So yes, give me back the days of Kirk and McCoy, hell, I'll even take a good TNG rerun, but this newer stuff definitly needs alot of work before moving on to the next series and the next movie. Oh, and by the way, does anyone here feel that the TNG movies are nothing more than Theatrical episodes?

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Kirk - The Trailer

    by phineasbg1

    Go to www.BringBackKirk.com and click the link. There is a fan made trailer for getting Kirk back into this tired franchise :)

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 11:08 p.m. CST

    For more information..

    by littlenemo

    go to www.corona.bc.ca/films/TP/homepageFramed.html scroll down. Keep scrolling, you'll find it.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 11:15 p.m. CST

    (Ugh!) Rick Berman (Spit!) deserves to be Violently Butt-Fucked

    by Roger U. Roundly

    ...coz he's a total P'Taakh. DS9 has It's moments, and the concept og Voyager was a good one, but in every interview you read with one of the Voyager cast, They complain about not being able to do the obvious interesting stories, and they are totally right. As for the recent trek movies: "Wasted Opportunity Rays are bombarding the franchise Captain! I suggest we vent Bermanatricide particles from the main Reflector Dosh!...umm, Dish!" Oh, and can anyone shed any light on the rumour I heard about Patrick Stewart trying to wrestle control of the franchise from (Ugh!) Berman (Spit!)??? Obviously Stewart was unsuccessfull, cuz (Ugh!) Berman(spit!) was retained by Dimwits at Paramount.

  • Dec. 10, 2000, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Don't buy the other ones just yet...

    by Jackass

    Paramount has announced that all of the other ST movies will receive Special Editon treatments next year. They are starting with Insurrection and working their way back to Khan. Why they didn't do this to begin with is beyond me. I never buy anything that is bare bones since a SE is likely to come out eventually.

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 3:20 a.m. CST

    CGI on TMP DVD

    by AlanR1778

    "Mojo", the emmy award winning CGI whiz from Foundation Imaging (first few seasons of B5, then Voyager) worked on the CGI for this DVD. He said they actually were able to get the original physical model out of mothballs and used it as the basis for creting the CGI Enterprise cleanup. He showed slides at a convention that showed the level of detail in the original physical model that couldn't even be discerned on screen. He commented on what a labor of love it must have been for those folks, and that they were really trying to work in the same spirit when doing the CGI work. Moj' started out as "just a fan", so in spite of what's been done to the franchise since, at least we know of at least one person who has a common root with the fans!

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 4:17 a.m. CST

    I need sleep

    by JMYoda

    I really hope they improved TMP. It's always put me to sleep. I bet Kirk in the CGI shuttle over SF kicks ass. Berman is a money grubbing prick. I wish someone would beam his ass into space or vaporize him. DS9 and ST:V are pure shit, they don't deserve the title of Star Trek... Star Trek 2,4 and 6 rule. All three are 4-star flicks. I want them on DVD but I ain't gonna shell out for barebones DVDs. Gimme Extras, I wanna see how they did the effects, I wanna see how Khan's fake chest was made! I wanna see Kirk screw Iman! WOOPS.. Speaking of Bill Shatner, he is DA MAN. BRING BACK KIRK! Kirk doesn't need viagra and rogain like some Captains I know! I'm loopy...Must sleep...

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 1:54 p.m. CST

    According to Leonatd Nimoy, Montalban DIDN'T wear a breastplate

    by KingKrypton

    In I AM SPOCK, Nimoy addressed the issue and flatly said that it was indeed Montalban's muscles under the suit. That said, he was in pretty good shape for an old man who was supposed to have wasted away on a desert world....

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 2:20 p.m. CST

    An attempt to clear things up about STTMP DVD

    by RAMA-X

    Since I rarely come to this site, I've never posted here, but when another news site had a link to the article on STTMP, I had to respond to some of the comments. Generally my impression of these AICN boards is that most of the posters are kids trying catch attention with their post titles and generally act immature, posting clueless comments about anything that has less than 3 car chases in them. This topic seems no different, so I have a few items I'd like to post. 1. THE DVD WILL also be out on VHS, though probably not till after the DVD is released. I can't believe AICN is only posting about it now, since the original news came out in July, and seemed to cause quite a stir. 2. The movie will be released in 600 theaters, though I have no specifics on limited release. 3. The Nagura scenes are mostly elaborated on in the "Phase II" trade paperback which was published a few years ago. Schematics of the office are also in the book. 4. The V'Ger flyover scenes are NOT the same length as in the extended version (Which is the only intact print paramount actually had for Wise to work on). FOundation also provided new FX for this sequence. 5. Contrary to some posts on this board, BERMAN had nothing to do with the work on the new edition. 6. A sample of Foundation's raw FX footage can be found here: http://filmforce.ign.com/news/1726.html 7. Paramount wanted to do a special edition because its an older movie, and Wise was willing to work on it. He has considered the original print unfinished for years, and this is chance to finally produce the final release version. 8. Anyone who bought other ST DVDs without extras should have known that this was an attempt by Paramount to get these consistent sellers out in the latest and best format, and should have expected further editions. Don't complain, if you spent the money and care about extras, its your own fault. 9. The anit-Berman posts are really tedious on this board. Somone needs to inject a little reality into the proceeding. Berman is not an anti-christ. At worst he is a decent producer who lacks vision, but he has kept the ST projects in the black--the last 3 films being the most consistently successful films in terms of worldwide grosses--and under his guidance, there has been an explosion of Trek. The STNG series experienced its greatesd ratings and and critical success under Berman; DS( is considered amongst many hardcore fans and critics to be the best of all the Trek series(An assessment I don't agree with--though its a good, sometimes great series); and a Voygaer series that lacks consistent quality but has produced some stories that rank very highly as classic individual presentations. To make a long story short, he's not worthless, and its far too easy to make generalizations here that have little bearing on what he has actually produced. 10. Last but not least, rememmber that cinema isn't purely an artistic medium, and if there is an agreement amongst those with the rights to any past movie project, there is no reason not to apply new technologies to old films, this includes tranferring volatile film stock to digital storage; to remastering; to deciding to readjust old sequences that can benefit from the process. Obviously its a case by case basis, since movies such as Fantastic Voyager would be almsot impossible to make the same way, but STTMP? Its a perfect match, and I for one can't wait to see the final results. RAMA

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 3:29 p.m. CST

    well said

    by Manos

    Well said, Rama. I remember the first few seasons of ST:TNG under Roddenberry. They were, with a few notable exceptions, dull, lifeless, and predictable. Berman took the reigns around season three and the series (IMHO) took off from there. Berman may be burnt out on ST, but I credit him for saving the franchise (how I hate that word!) from Roddenberry, a medicore writer and producer at best (reference The Questor Tapes, Earth 2, Planet Earth, and Pretty Maids All In A Row) On another note, ,maybe someone out there can help me. I've got a special edition of ST:TMP which has a lot of scenes deleted from the theatrical release. One of them is Kirk leaving the air lock to go get Spock. This shot was inserted into the special edition VHS AS SHOT. I can clearly see the scaffolding and lighting surrounding Shanter. Does anybody else have this tape, and am I seeing correctly?

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Good people behind this.

    by BrettPierce

    The people responsible for this DVD are the best in the business. Past contributions by them were the Alien and Aleins laserdisc box sets, The Last Starfighter DVD,Guns of Navvarone DVD, Sound of Music laser box set, The Thing special edition laser, the double disc Star Wars: Special Edition soundtracks, and the Superman double disc soundtrack. On top of that they love classic Star Trek. These guys are amazing.

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 7:23 p.m. CST

    ST TMP wasn't THAT bad

    by catbarf

    In some ways this is my favorite. It's not Trek, but it IS a pretty cool 70s science fiction movie. 70s sci-fi was, on average, always a little slow and somber (post 2001, pre Star Wars ballpark). Even though ST-TMP was post Star Wars, it had one foot in "artsy-fartsy self-important land" (aka post 2001 pre-Star Wars sci fi)and another foot in "spend as much as possible so it will be a blockbuster land" (aka post Star Wars to present). The result is a sort of 70s pop version of 2001. I liked the metaphysical knowledge vs soul stuff. The slow parts (V-ger flyover and lovingly drawn-out Enterprise flyaround) I never found boring at all, I actually found them quite magestic, and a clear attempt follow in the footsteps of the "Danube Waltz" section of 2001. The film is embued with this sense of overwhelming vastness, of AWE at the infinite, of the incomprehensibly vast (a la the cosmic pullback in the often unjustly skewered CONTACT). Hypnotic, yes...boring, no. Though often cheesy and nonsensical, it was an ambitious movie, and I don't think it deserves all the flak. The new version I'm a little nervous about, in fact (did they wreck what I actually LIKE about this movie?), though I am interested to see it.

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Without Kirk Star Trek sucks

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Star Trek needs Kirk to come back and put some passion back in S.T. I wanna see Kirk come back and nail some green chick. And then whoop some Borg ass. That is what would bring me back to Star Trek not some fucking geek character like Harry Kim, Neelix or Quark.I mean give me a fucking break. I wanna see Kirk come back and hump 7 of 9. Now that would bring me back to this dying series. STAR TREK IS KIRK AND SPOCK ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST LIVING OFF THE NAME THEY CREATED.

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 9:05 p.m. CST

    FUCK DS9 AND VOY GIVE US KIRK + SPOCK

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Kirk,Spock,Picard are Star Trek the rest is total bullshit. Look at the ratings for Voyager nobody watches that crap. We want the REAL S.T. back. BRING BACK KIRK,SPOCK,and the TNG crew and forget the rest While their is time to save the dying franchise.

  • Dec. 11, 2000, 10:44 p.m. CST

    DVD Wrath of Khan extras

    by Flambit

    i am glad to see a revamped ST:TMP, because i always thought the basic story was cool, but come on, Paramount -- The Wrath of Khan has a fair amount of cool deleted scenes that it would have been awesome to see! Why didn't they, once and for all, include them, instead of this bare bones treatment they have been giving in regards to the franchise? I think i have only seen it complete one tinme, on ABC when they ran it with the Peter Preston footage. Here's to hoping Paramount will get off their ass and release a special ed. ST:TWOK!

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Where's the other fabled 'extra' stuff?

    by Charlie & Tex

    Hey, it's cool that Star Trek: The Motion Picture's finally going to get the treatment it richly deserves, but there is no mention of the two key sequences that were never included in any previous versions: a security guard getting offed & Kirk being attacked by alien organisms whilst going to get Spock in V'Ger. They should at least have the decency to include these scenes in the suppliementary section. It's good to see Paramount putting some effort into their DVDs now, it's a pity that their Wrath of Khan DVD was so piss-poor.

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Goosebumps

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Yes, goosebumps I say, everytime I see the scene where Scotty takes Kirk for a spin around the refurbished NCC-1701 Enterprise. I can't wait to see it on a big-ass screen again!!! I remember when TMP came out...they were running full page ads for it in the papers for two or three weeks before it's premiere. What was the tag line? "You will believe a man can fly"? No, that was "Superman". Something like that. Robert Wise rules (check out "The Day The Earth Stood Still" you young fanboys & girls....just cause it's black and white is nooooo reason to dismiss it, fellah) and to think he gets to tinker with an already great movie. Can't wait Can't wait Can't wait. Oh yeah, wassup with everybody jocking Kirk and Spock, and ignoring McCoy? OK, Kirk was the captain, but to me the true yin-yang of the whole shooting match would be the chemistry between Spock and McCoy. IDIC, y'know? "Are you out of your Vulcan mind" always sounded to me like "Are you out of your fuckin' mind?" Getting that past the censors, truely, where no man had gone before. Who loves ya, De? Da Colonel does! Live long and so on...also, why do folks like you (YOU) ignore ST III-TSFS? Except for Chris Lloyds' cheesiest Klingon ever (imagine if it had been Kang or Kor instead of "Klingon Doc Brown") STIII RAWKS!!! "Don't call me tiny"...Sulu rules!!! Captain Sulu, I should say. How about a Sulu series? The sets and props, I assume, must be in storage somewhere. Walter is making the guest star circuit these days anyway...why not put him at the helm where he always looked so good? Damnit! Why don't I run the studios?????

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 2 p.m. CST

    Out of MY Vulcan mind

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I must been drinking some Romulan Ale when I stated "Walter is making the guest starring rounds", which he is, but Walter=Chekov. George=Sulu. George=Sulu. George=Sulu. Also, if you haven't rented it, get the "Treasures of the Twilight Zone" tape with the unaired episode that features George in a sticky situation with a WWII vet in an attic. Great TV is worth watching again! George=Sulu!!!

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Will U please....SIT DOWN.

    by jon1701

    People love to whine...they really do. I'm sure the Internet was created by whiners. If you don't like DS9 or VOYAGER, dont watch it. Lets face it, even BAD Star Trek is still f**ing STAR TREK. TMP isnt the best film ever made (by a long shot), but we're all looking forward to seeing the re-issue. Star Trek - whatever form or show it is - is escapism. pure and simple. Thank the lord for DVD, my VHS copies are all knackered...

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 5:19 p.m. CST

    NEW VULCAN FX SHOT!!!!

    by Cinepixel

    You MUST go see this: www.ignfilmforce.com There is a new FX shot of Vulcan from the upcoming Special Edition DVD. This is utterly COOL! Spread the word! Cinepixel

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 6:21 p.m. CST

    no theatrical release

    by treadwell

    RAMA-X, where did you get that info about a theatrical release? Folks from Foundation Imaging have said that the CGI is being rendered at TV resolution--not a big enough budget for film resolution.

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Star Trek Movie

    by Shep

    First things first...IBLIS TechnoMage, get a grip. You went overboard with: "Any semblance of life you think you've seen in it since Roddenberry flatlined is just random twitchings of the corpse." The man is dead, show some respect. Secondly, finish Star Trek with the ultimate movie that includes casts from TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Showing all the Captains in one scene is worth the price of admission. Have one final battle against the Borg or Romulans or Dominion and make it last for more than two minutes. Then give the franchise a rest. Put some new creative blood in the mix, stop recycling stories, and bring on a new Trek Series that we can all support. Done.

  • Dec. 12, 2000, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Kentucky Brigadier General...

    by Valles Marineris

    Sorry, Forgot how ta spel Kernel. 'The Search For Spock' totally Rocked! Kirk's ole lady and sprog. The bit where the genesis planet is breakin up and Kirk Say's "Bring me up" in Klingon = CLASSIC!!! The bit in the cave, Carol Marcus would *so* be kickin ass on 'Ready, Set, Cook'--Ainsley's made a 9-egg omelette with lemons and UHU, Carol's made AN ENTIRE PLANET!. My greatest Trek-Regret, is that the Powers that be(for PTB, read Pricks) at Paramount(paraMount Fuji, fact, courtesy Jerry Lewis movie set in Japan), never let Nimoy Make His picture wherein Kirk & Spock become mortal enemies, and Spock steals a starship and does battle with James T."Risk is our Business" Kirk. I think Leonard Nimoy pitched that in the late eighties, I could be wrong about the date, but he defenitely fronted that idea. Shame...

  • Dec. 13, 2000, 1:17 a.m. CST

    The shuttle's name is just "Galileo"...

    by bluefugue42

    Not "Galileo 7." Galileo 7 is the name of an episode refers to the 7 crewmembers on the shuttle. Yes, I am aware that I need to get a life. This release sounds interesting, although I still think there's too much revisionism. But ST:TMP is one of those movies that wasn't really completed in the first place (are any?). Having seen it on the big screen in 1991 (at the star trek marathon) and been blown away by several sequences, I have held for many years that it is one of only 3 good Star Trek movies, the other two being ST2:TWOK and ST4:TVH. What I like about TMP is that it lacks the smug humor and Shatner goofiness of the later films. Those latter two reasons are why I dislike Star Trek 6, in spite of the fact that it has far and away the best cinematography of any Star Trek movie. I love the first Enterprise flyby in TMP, I love the Spock scenes and Spock's arc, I love the gorgeous score, and most of all I love the fact that back in 1979 Shatner actually still looked like KIRK.

  • Dec. 14, 2000, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Shake it up

    by scudd

    I posted this before, but I feel it needs to be said again. With a new ST show on the horizon (give me cancer now, god) I think the ST universe needs to be shaken up. Fuck that stupid time travel premise for the new show. What are you going to do? Go back before TOS and change everything that has ever happened by altering the storyline? Hell no. Start now, after Voyager. Create some new, awesome race of aliens that appear from a different galaxy and put the Federation on its ass. Destroy the earth. Tear Starfleet asunder. Shake things fucking up. Make the crew of this new ship be the underdogs, fighting for their freedom, unsure of how to deal with a world where they dont have their confortable, perfect society to fall back on. Oh, and shoot Berman in the head and fuck the brainhole.