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Hey folks, Harry here and it seems Bruce Timm has finally surfaced to chime in on the whole BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER thing. And there is a tone to his quotes in this piece that FANDOM.COM has put together that just seems this side of controlled anger and with a slightly defeatist attitude. From the sound of it, Timm was involved in the entire process... all the way through. The cuts were made to appease the UNDER 5 YEARS OLD DEMOGRAPHIC!

"For six year olds and older, they probably could understand it," admits Timm. "But for fives and younger, it was probably a bit too much. We had to go back in, edit it and redo some of the animation."

Ok, first off... 5 year olds' parents should ALWAYS preview the material they are going to show their kids. A simple warning... like on toys... RECOMMENDED FOR AGES 6 & UP.... would've sufficed it looks like. Meanwhile Steve Fritz at FANDOM.Com delivers what has to be the most ridiculous comment on all of this I have seen yet:

"Only if you never want a kid of six and under to ever see the final product. To do it would be the equivalent of seeing Mickey Mouse do porn. We adults might get our jollies off of it, but you better believe Disney will come down on the perpetrators like a ton of bricks." --STEVE FRITZ

This is nothing at all like Mickey Mouse doing porn.... this is the equivalent of seeing TWO-GUN MICKEY... a 1934 Mickey Mouse cartoon where Mickey Mouse is a gunslinger that shoot Peg Leg Pete and drinks beer. NOW... I find it freaking amazing that a 1934 period 5 year old could handle a cartoon character with a gun and in addition... BOOZE... and today our children can't. After all... how many little kids were shooting up their schools in 1934... where the most popular freakin form of entertainment was the B-WESTERN which was exclusively gun slinging and killing. OOOOOHHHH Our Grandparents are all a bunch of degenerates because of these Cartoons. GET REAL!!!

This is UTTER INSANITY! PORN? What sort of frickin spin is that? I happen to of been a child with a WALLY WOOD poster on my wall beginning at the age of 2 that had all the Disney characters in soft core orgy. As a small child it was hung up high on my wall... and I just thought of it as a cool gathering of characters. When I hit about 9 I realized that Pinnochio's nose was going under Cinderella's dress and that for some reason all the dwarves were lined up behind Snow White... who's legs were spread. I giggled when I looked at it. ONLY NOW as an adult do I look at it and REALLY understand what all was going on there. VIOLENCE and SEX in abstract forms like CARTOONS do not scar. What scars is your mother being slugged by your father...

By cutting what all they've cut.. they've actually DAMAGED THE MORALS of the story. Now the JOKER isn't all that bad. Now, the child doesn't make the right decision. Now evil isn't that unappealing and the punishment ain't so bad. By lightening up the material... they have washed away the messages that were intended. MESSAGES that should get into a 5 year old's head. PINNOCHIO is more inappropriate and violent than RETURN OF THE JOKER was. SNOW WHITE is more violent! PETER PAN is more violent. Disney has a long long history of rather strong scenes that are the exclamation points in a young mind. The moments where you cover your eyes... Where you hug mom or dad. NOW IT IS A PASSIVE PIECE OF PABULUM.

This is so not right. Meanwhile, Congrats to Bruce Timm... looks like his JUSTICE LEAGUE series is getting off the ground with the classic team of characters. CLICK HERE TO READ MORE ON JLA and BATMAN BEYOND!!!

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Whatever...
by Sakla
Dec 6th, 2000
05:50:21 PM
CuteMX and Batman
by James_O'Nasty
Dec 6th, 2000
06:09:18 PM
why all this talk of Disney...
by JShrubbery
Dec 6th, 2000
07:21:44 PM
Get the Uncut!!
by Mr.Clark
Dec 6th, 2000
07:36:00 PM
Damn it.
by Brikar99
Dec 6th, 2000
07:47:28 PM
.AVI files
by
Dec 6th, 2000
07:58:52 PM
Steve Fritz...
by Mattman
Dec 6th, 2000
08:01:30 PM
What is Steve Fritz smoking?
by vroom socko
Dec 6th, 2000
08:24:03 PM
CUTEMX rulez! Geeks unite!
by Tall_Boy
Dec 6th, 2000
09:00:44 PM
Fritz is a Freakin Idiot
by Fantom-Lord
Dec 6th, 2000
09:19:11 PM
the irony of Jean McCurdy
by MGTHEDJ
Dec 6th, 2000
09:48:00 PM
Star Wars SUX
by chicken
Dec 6th, 2000
09:57:40 PM
Fritz is exaggerating quite a bit...
by Sorcerer
Dec 6th, 2000
10:38:58 PM
...and that is supposed to be a fan site?
by zooty
Dec 6th, 2000
10:54:15 PM
X-Men: Evolution pussy shit
by Wicked Raygun
Dec 6th, 2000
10:56:38 PM
Steve Fritz Is A Jackass!
by Cowblaster
Dec 7th, 2000
12:23:03 AM
76 minute BB
by daplummer
Dec 7th, 2000
12:41:18 AM
people who think it should be edited
by sokitome
Dec 7th, 2000
12:56:59 AM
I just thought of a revolutionary idea that would solve all our
by fladnaG
Dec 7th, 2000
01:06:26 AM
And one more thing
by fladnaG
Dec 7th, 2000
01:13:10 AM
Shit
by Nick15
Dec 7th, 2000
02:40:47 AM
How About This
by Nick15
Dec 7th, 2000
02:48:14 AM
Various Ramblings...
by Dlhstar
Dec 7th, 2000
04:41:55 AM
What kind of an interview????
by Reignofjerm
Dec 7th, 2000
06:41:52 AM
ReignofJerm, I second that...
by Fate
Dec 7th, 2000
09:55:39 AM
It's not that bad....
by Hingst
Dec 7th, 2000
11:21:50 AM
Thanks Harry for laying down the stuff as it should be! We reall
by candyman_boo
Dec 7th, 2000
12:29:02 PM
If you need a copy...
by Alternity_Orange
Dec 7th, 2000
02:33:38 PM
Much non-BB:RotJ grousing is contained herein. . .
by DarkHawke
Dec 7th, 2000
02:50:39 PM
Whoa whoa WHOA, fellas! Try not to tell any "BB:R.O.T.Joker" sp
by Miracleman
Dec 7th, 2000
03:17:47 PM
finding the film on hotlinehq
by aniscully
Dec 7th, 2000
04:17:36 PM
A Sad Day...
by Lupin the Third
Dec 7th, 2000
04:18:05 PM
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! Angry letter from angry fan.
by Coturno
Dec 7th, 2000
04:22:47 PM
BB:TROTJ VCD
by ereiamjh
Dec 7th, 2000
04:32:56 PM
Batman Beyond Pilot
by ereiamjh
Dec 7th, 2000
04:35:03 PM
Funny Thing
by greercd
Dec 7th, 2000
06:01:20 PM
Blah
by Lethargic
Dec 7th, 2000
06:53:54 PM
whoa, HARRY_is_OBESE brought up an amazingly good point (spoiler
by Tall_Boy
Dec 8th, 2000
02:48:42 AM
What Would Batman Do?
by Enemy_Ace
Dec 8th, 2000
06:53:15 AM
Uncut screener copies for sale!
by Aunty-WB
Dec 8th, 2000
01:50:08 PM
I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT(a.k.a. the uncut BB:ROTJ), AND THOSE RESPO
by XTheCrovvX
Dec 8th, 2000
02:23:06 PM
Cartoon Network
by TheOneCalledBen
Dec 8th, 2000
06:15:29 PM
Hey! I've Got A Question For Those Of You Who Have Already Seen
by Cowblaster
Dec 9th, 2000
03:51:01 AM
It's not like Mickey doing p
by X-Girls
Dec 9th, 2000
05:39:47 PM
responsibility
by X-Girls
Dec 9th, 2000
06:36:58 PM
Kids can't take it?!?
by Wicked Raygun
Dec 9th, 2000
07:53:51 PM
I got the movie uncut and it's AMAZING! (spoiler free)
by Agent23
Dec 10th, 2000
02:45:15 AM
Why no theatrical release?
by Agent23
Dec 10th, 2000
03:01:32 AM
The process of a studio backed animated project.
by Agent23
Dec 10th, 2000
03:27:17 AM
WB PR rep Josh Sabarra is a liar!
by Agent23
Dec 10th, 2000
03:56:30 AM
Mark Hamill+Return of the Joker= Emmy Award nomination
by Octagon Fess
Dec 10th, 2000
08:59:48 AM
YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF? ITS THE FACT THAT PARENTS WO
by white pony
Dec 10th, 2000
02:09:51 PM
I'm buying the pirated version,screw you WB
by Sci-Fanatic
Dec 10th, 2000
05:29:53 PM
The uncut version is genius.
by Edison
Dec 10th, 2000
06:21:35 PM
Aunty-WB
by greercd
Dec 10th, 2000
06:23:43 PM
I Agree With WickedRaygun
by CapnCrunch
Dec 10th, 2000
09:40:10 PM
Beat a dead horse, but the DVD??
by ereiamjh
Dec 11th, 2000
10:55:10 AM
transformers: more than children's eyes should meet ?????
by O.G. One-Kennobi
Dec 11th, 2000
02:51:22 PM
Final Word?
by zeusnoose
Dec 11th, 2000
08:59:52 PM
As For Those Deleted Scenes On The DVD. . .
by Cowblaster
Dec 12th, 2000
12:18:47 AM
BB:ROTJ cuts!?
by Ferretbk
Dec 12th, 2000
05:44:00 PM
Just watched it...VHS version
by zeusnoose
Dec 12th, 2000
08:17:05 PM
Crap
by Reignofjerm
Dec 12th, 2000
08:37:34 PM
If you want ROTJ uncut !!!
by nightwing_38116
Dec 12th, 2000
11:07:53 PM
SIGH...
by Grimjack99
Dec 12th, 2000
11:46:02 PM
my god people are cretins...
by Westrum
Dec 13th, 2000
12:42:16 AM
the cuts really sucked because...(spoilers? at this date?)
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 13th, 2000
09:59:51 AM
WARNING: DO NOT BUY FROM "AUNTY"
by Mozer
Dec 13th, 2000
04:27:38 PM
Harry, you're an idiot
by JohnnyD518
Dec 13th, 2000
04:51:40 PM
Mozer (TOM BRENNAN) is a whiner...
by Aunty-WB
Dec 13th, 2000
10:43:38 PM
AUNTY AKA : MICHAEL REESE IS AN IDIOT!
by Mozer
Dec 13th, 2000
11:34:12 PM
THE END
by Aunty-WB
Dec 14th, 2000
12:08:15 PM
Tom Brennan is a narc, a blackmailer and (in all probability) a
by Aunty-WB
Dec 19th, 2000
11:05:45 AM
MICHAEL REESE is a scam artist, a hillbilly and a LIAR!r!
by Mozer
Dec 19th, 2000
05:33:05 PM
Uncut versions
by Bataar
Dec 22nd, 2000
02:13:45 AM
Fuck these folks selling tapes, do this
by mad maximus
Jan 2nd, 2001
09:10:46 AM
What a bunch of baby-Queers, crying....
by MexiFry
Jan 10th, 2001
02:22:48 AM

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