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STAR TREK X -- those pointy eared monsters are back!
Hey folks, Harry here with a look at STAR TREK X. Now, many of you know how I feel about Rick Berman... I feel he has formularized STAR TREK to a point of utter boredom. Relying on the same staff, the same writers and the same ideas to beat a favorite thing of mine to death. However, with John Logan on the script there is hope. The next step would be to attach a NON-TREK director, who is among the best directors for the type of story that Logan has written. I love how Berman throws out something like... "THE ROMULANS" and expects a Pavlovian slobber to begin... That would come with "THE GORN" hehehehe... Now when he says there will be Romulans... and then says there will be a doozy of a villain... that can mean that the Romulans are not the villains, and in fact must help the Federation in the destruction of 'the doozy'. Well... let's hope 'the doozy' isn't just a cheap gimmick, but something surrounded by a great script and the budget to make it a reality. However, what we all really want to see is Wesley Crusher and Data in MATRIX-style combat. Ummm, yeah...
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11.30.00 Dispatch: Romulans in Next Film, Berman Says
Rick Berman told a local news station last night that the Romulans — a Federation nemesis not yet featured prominently in a Star Trek movie — will play a major role in the tenth film of the series. He also promised a "doozy" of a villain, and disclosed that the as-yet-untitled "Star Trek: X" will not hit theaters until sometime in 2002.
Executive Producer Berman, in an interview by UPN News 13 in Los Angeles, was being pressed to reveal what "surprises" can be expected in the next film. "I can tell you nothing about the surprises. I can tell you — I wasn't planning to do this, but I will — that we will be meeting the Romulans in this movie," he said, adding with a grin, "I will say no more."
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You know, I hate people who say they are first! How childish! this here is serious work, and they should . . . hey! HEY!! HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know, I hate people who say they are first! How childish! this here is serious work, and they should . . . hey! HEY!! HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is my first post ever on here. Well, I just hope they don't funk up this trek-movie. I'm looking forward to the roms kickin' some serious arse. We'll see, though.
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Of all of the silly crossovers they've had between old Trek and Next Gen Trek (120 year old McCoy? Scotty frozen in time?? The anti-climactic death of Kirk???), the only one that worked was the two-part Next Gen episode about Spock as a double agent going undercover to sabotage the Romulans. I've been saying for years that they need to do a huge blow-out movie w/ Romulan war and a Spock/Picard tagteam (a true meeting of minds, as opposed to the meeting of a bald head and a poorly masked bald head in Star Trek VII). Give us an insane Hitler-like Romulan leader waging intergalactic war! Have Spock die! Again! Only this time with more gravitas and less pathos! Heck, kill Data too, Brent Spiner says he won't play the part again anyway! Fuck all, let's kill Picard too! Pat's too big for this silliness after X-Men! And bring back Ensign Crusher in the last five minutes of the film, then kill 'im! This, friends, is a true recipe for success.
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Looking at the headline, I thought it was gonna be a STAR TREK/GREMLINS crossover. "Never, ever feed them after Stardate 249350.634.63...."
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would be an all CGI Star Trek, using the original cast as character models. The young James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, all brought back to life through the magic of CGI.
I can't imagine really any way to breath life back into this dead horse, but a prequel set maybe in the Academy, maybe leading up to the uniting of the original cast aboard a spankin' new (keep the original '60's design please complete with swirling lights in the nacells) Enterprise.
Can't you see it now? The miniskirts would be back, with young versions of Uhura, Rand, all the Star Trek babes.
Come on, who is really interested in Star Trek X, with the boring NG crew. Let's go back to the future. Just imagine seeing a young Spock raise his eyebrow while saying, "facinating!" -
That's what I wanna see. especially a lesbian scene with Seven of Nine and Romulan chick who used to be Tasha Yar.
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Dec 01, 2000 4:30:20 PM CST
HARRY - THE WRITER OF TREK 10 IS JOHN LOGAN (GLADIATOR) AND NOT
by timmer33
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I reckon the "doozy" should be Worf's zit from "Star Trek : Insufficient". In the last film, he squeezed it and after several years in space it was hit by a "tetrion pulsanamic radiatronic phase beam" and mutated into a "subspace rift" allowing millions of zits to come through to our galaxy. The Romulans suspect the Federation of deliberate intent to infect the Neutral Zone and retaliate with a "trilithium" blast of Clearasil!!!
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The DOOZY of a villan is going to be Q. The actor who plays Q (what's his name?) was all over the media when the last Trek came out pissing and moaning about never being included in the movies. Well...I betcha he will be now...
The last Trek..."Planet of the Hippies" or whatever it was called was lame. Undiscovered country (or whatever) level of lameness. As long as this one isn't down on that level...I don't care if the villan is a freakin tribble! -
I realize this has been stated over and over again, but Star Trek as a franchise lost its vitality before it even became a franchise. While you can find examples of decent Star Trek movies, such as II, and, hmmm...well, at least one of em, most have been embarrassing star turns by aging actors. When the Next Generation came along, I recall watching it in the dorms with a group of people, geeks and nongeeks, and there was UTTER SILENCE for the first half, and jeers in the second. That horrible show set the scene for what has come to embody Star Trek in the eyes of most, and that pains me. The old Star Trek had charm, mystery, sex appeal and excitement. The new one felt like an Aaron Spelling soap in space. This pattern HAS NOT CHANGED for 13 years, and why should it stop now?
Ugh, I tell ya, I hate to sound negative, but Berman and his crew are hacks, and they have taken the term literally and hacked up a wonderful scifi memory in the name of money.
Again, sorry to reiterate old arguments, but the sad truth is they still apply. And worse, set the tone for a decade of mediocre TV scifi. Boo! Hiss! "I sense great..." disappointment, over and over again. -
Or interspecieism. Whatever. Check out this audio clip: http://websound.50megs.com/#clip
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Or Q's son perhaps? (Yes, Q does indeed have a son. Go watch Voyager some more). That'd be kinda neat; the Enterprise crew having to face-off against Q's uncontrolable, all-powerful offspring. In any case, let's hope this movie doesn't blow as hard as Insurrection, which was the Batman & Robin to Star Trek (Come on! What the hell was with that joystick, anyways?!)
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may i add that is berman and paramont stupid enough to put star trek up agaisnt star wars ib 2002 and lord of the rings what the hell are they thinking, oh yeah and matrix...counter programing i mean are they on crack!?!?!?!
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Here's my choice for a shitty tag line: "This Summer, 'X' Marks the Spock!". Okay peons, see if you can beat THAT.
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. . . but how 'bout "Star Trek X: The original 'X'-Man returns to the captain's chair!"
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Hasn't Star Trek already been beaten to death with very possible scenario that could ever occur in every possible alternate reality? Let's just let it rest in peace. The Trekkie phenomenon has definitely diminished. Nxt you'll be saying that they'll do a prequel to Austin Powers...oh, hold on...
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fong say harro!
fong rikee rikee star tlek!! rots of roundeye pricks flying around in space shoeing themselves up the ass crack and fingering slimy green aliens with their fat knuckles!!! I like that episode of the original series where the planet eating eggroll(or was that Mr Hankey) swallowed the ship and Kirk barely got away after kicking the old style klingons right in the ruucksack!!! we need Star Trek Ten: The Colonoscopy of Jadzia Dax!!!!
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Dec 01, 2000 7:26:37 PM CST
NEWSFLASH!!!!! JACKNICHOLSON TO PLAY STARFLEET ADMIRAL IN SHORT
by bazman
Just kiddin. Said that so you'd check out my posting.
The TV shows have turned to rubbish. The Next Generation films were a missed opportunity, First Contact was a good enjoyable romp, but not an inch close to "Wrath of Khan" or "Voyage Home" or "Undiscovered Country". They definitely need to hand it over to a movie producer, someone who hasn't handled these characters for over a decade!!!
And a director who necessarily hasn't handled science fiction but dark drama; Frank Darabont for instance. He'd direct a great Trek movie. ALSO, bring back a modified version of the movie uniforms, and just bring in a story that ignores the TV series and gives us a swashbuckling adventure with intelligence and warmth. It's not just about action: it's about humour, it's about discovery, it's about epic wonderment .... or at least it should be. Throw away that 90s mentality and bring back the "classical" jules verne kinda atmosphere. -
Dec 01, 2000 7:30:27 PM CST
They should have continued the "Encounter at Farpoint"/"All Good
by tall_boy
THAT would have been actually rather decent. Sure, we may get the Rommies here and there, but reports have been an "all new villian/ all new alien race" and "the best since Khan". Actually they said "the best since Kahn" about the last trekiee villian in INSURRECTION too. Sigh. So, to reinterate, No Q, new villian, Spiner involved in the storyline, and Berman saying that its "funny" = minus. Stewart was involved with the storyline last time and wanted to "lighten up" the original "HEART OF DARKNESS" type script that Piller had written. On the + side = Rommies, which may be good and GLADIATOR scribe John Logan (we'll forget BATS for now). I agree with Harry, NON-IN HOUSE DIRECTOR. Frakes did fine with First Contact, and Insurrection did look pretty at moments, but there's a definate need for new blood. . .PS- F Kids-WB
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"X Marks the Spock"...now that made me laugh. Thanks, I needed that. How about this..."At the opening of this film lies the end of Rick Berman's career." (wishful thinking) I can't wait for "Star Trek: Rehash" (given Rick Berman's fetish for snappy one-word titles, it could happen). Or how about this tag line "One franchise...one destiny...one series and two films too many." Hell, they could put "Festering dog crap served up Federation-style" on the posters, and most Trekkies/ers would go see it. I know I would.
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I'm pretty positive this'll be a good movie. Why do I say this based on virtually no information? Simple: all even numbered Star Trek movies are good, all odd numbered ST movies blow. Star Trek: The Motion Picture? Even slower than 2001, but sans the intellect. Wrath of Khan? Rocked. The Search for Spock? Yawn. Voyage Home? Funnier than Galaxy Quest. I don't even remember the name of the fifth one, it was so bad. Undiscovered Country? Not bad, some cool space battles. Generations? Plot loopholes the size of the Horsehead Nebula. First Contact? Best thing to happen to Trek since Ricardo Montalbahn got atomized. Insurrection? Seriously, the lamest sf movie since Virus. Words fail me to describe how dumb this movie was (A fucking JOYSTICK on the ENTERPRISE?!?!) By this pattern, I figure Star Trek X should be somewhere between Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country, quality-wise.
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Well, I've read everything that's been posted so far, and I'm kinda shocked to see that there are no positive words said about Star Trek anymore! What IS with you people? But.... I know where you're coming from. As a child, I watched Star Trek every week night with my parents. Spock and Bones were always awesome... Whenever I hear the words "Star Trek", I'll always think of those huge yellow letters popping up onto the star filled screen, as the Enterprise soars by. Whenever I think of Trek, I think of the first six movies. In my opinion, movies 2,3,4,and 6 is Trek At it's best. Now.... Do I love TNG and it's cast? YES! The series brought about a new meaning to the word "cool". The Borg were always exciting back then. And the Enterprise D was beautiful. The original was always the best, but D was terrific. The show became especially great after season three. Now... as for Deep Space Nine. I've heard my pervert friends call it Deep 69, and a critic call it Deep Sleep Nine, and truthfully, I never watched it... until season four. I got so into the series, it was uncanny! I wondered how I could have missed this show for so long! I wished I hadn't judged it by the first ten minuted of the pilot episode. I enjoyed the terrific storyline on through to the end, and cheered when the Federation took down the Dominion. DS9 was truly a great show. Now.... as for Voyager... I began watching Voyager the same time I started back with DS9. I had missed the first two or three years, but i got into it quickly. However, when Seven of Nine was introduced, the show lost something. Now the borg were nothing but redundant. I'm now so sick of hearing about them, I wish they had never been introduced at times. Voyager seems to be repeating itself every week. Crew meets aliens. Surprise! They're aren't nice. Janeway thinks about her choices in life and on this mission, Tom gets in trouble, and Voyager SOMEHOW pulls through. I love Voyager, but maybe it's time to pull out some one cool...like the incredible Q! indeed Q SHOULD be the villian in the next movie. First Contact was cool. Now I cna't watch it because of so much borg crap on voyager. Do I still love Voyager? yes. You don't stop loving your wife after she gets boring! LOL.... I'm awaiting better episodes as the head into the Alpha Quadrant!
Now as for the movies....
Insurrection was...different. it wasn't bad, and I loved Geordi getting his sight back, and riker and troi getting together again. I was pissed that picard is still not with beverly, but..... Worf in first contact? pretty cool. in insurrection? umm...seemed a bit forced. Now at least he has a reason to be in the next one, if they need the klingon abassador. So...GET OFF Star Trek! it's been here for almost 40 years! it can't be great ALL of the time! They make more action and sex appeal, fans whine that it's not gene's vision. you make it more intellegent, fans whine that it's not action packed enough, and needs more humour. you have one with humour and action, it's, "boo hoo... they've lost the idea of gene's vision again!" You people MAKE ME SICK! ALL YOU DO IS WHINE! I'm a little critical of the show sometimes, and my friend Matt tells me I'm too critical of it... He doesn't have the net, so he doesn't Know how whiney all of you anal retentive assholes really are! Go get a life! Evn Shatner said that! Get over it! You don't like it, become a writer and get hired for a Star trek show! I'm sick of it! if it went away, you'd all start bitching that it's not around! -
Nice to know I'm a asshole because I don't like current trek. May I ask if you have such a problem with people's opinons why you are here? Oh, and how is it that a show that repeat's itself week after week is good?
Anyway, I liked the orginal series the best, next generation was OK, DS9 better near the end, voyager just plain sucks. 2nd movie was my favorite. After insurrection, I really wouldn't mind if they just let the whole rest in peace for a while. They are other decent show's beside trek, and I'm not too intent on keeping trek on the air currently. I just don't care about it anymore. IMO, voyager has none of the charm or heart of the orginal series, and the whole thing has become nothing more than a cashcow. -
After watching(and rather uncomfortably I might add) the last Trek movie, I am utterly
convinced beyond a shadow of a
doubt that ST X will suck ass.
Gimme some lesbian Romulan chicks
or some naughty ensign fucking
with the transporter. Counselor
Troi: 'Ensign, beam down my clothes immediately!!' Ever since
Wrath of Khan, the Trek movies
have just declined in quality,
acting, and even the f/x. And
Insurrection was absolutely the
biggest pile of shit that ever
came out of Hollywood that year.
Here's how the plot of ST X should go: Start a big war with the Romulans, kill off every single character via necessary sacrifice(except Troi who's kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery by the Romulans)then have a very brief ceremony chronicling their bravery/sacrifice, etc. Roll credits. Thank you. -
I just read the full report, and among the many tasty morsels John dangled in front of me was that we'd learn something interesting about Data. What!? You mean you're going to use Data as an attention getting plot hook!? What a unique idea! Hold on... wait a minute... I'm having deja vu. Seems like this has already happened before. Like, in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE featuring TNG crew. Now, if he gets pregnant, that'll get my attention. Also, if I hear any more of those stupid GenX kewl one liners, like "Assimilate this!" or "Lock n' load!" I'll scream. Headless - I'm with you on the CGI movie idea. That would be nice.
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.. but, having Q for a villian would be stupid. An omnipotent villian is simply annoying, because obviously the fight would be over in 0.5 seconds without contrivance of script. Q popping up on the series to annoy everyone once in awhile was good; spending a movie doing that is bad. What would be cool, and never going to happen in a million years, would be an adaption of Peter David's novel (or some ripoff of that, ha ha) where a renegade Q (Trelene) throws a hissy-fit causing reality to bend every which way and Q the Original has to stop him from destroying the universe because that would just ruin his day.. some clever way to have Q participate in the movie without another "Q sets up elaborate games for the crew to play instead of killing them outright, which they surprisingly enough win". I'm not a Star Trek geek, I swear.
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enough with the star trek....bring on a deep space 9 movie.
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... SPOCK. How could it be a bigger doozy, with the Romulans and all?
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As soon as I saw this post, I said "The villain is Spock" Then I get to the bottom....someone else is thinking it too...ahhh hell with it, kill em all in one big battle.
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Maybe Data's twin evil brother Lore will be the "doozy"? That would be kind of cool. Brent Spiner's probably sick of playing the good guy all the time, I could imagine him having fun with Lore. Lore teams up with the Romulans...hmmm...(raises eyebrow)curious.
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Damn, I was hoping for a Tribbles movie or how about bringing Uhura back??. We never did find out what happend to her?
I have to agree Rich Berman and Braga have ripped the heart out of Trek to the point that not many people care anymore which is ashame.
My opinion is, Kill Data!!! I'm tired of hearing Spiner whine. Data made him and not he bitches because hes too old for Data and if he doesnt get story input he is not happy with the movie. Pooor Brent! blow him up and bring on Seven.
No Romulans. No Q, No Kirk. How about...An all new villian?
And one more thing, bring back Nick Meyer. We all know he saved Trek!
But seriously if we are going to do a Tenth movie, why not have all 4 captains join together to fight an anomalie of some sort or, ummm, the Borg? Oh wait, thats been done. Whales? God? That chick from Sex and the City? Or how about the parents from the show "7th Heaven"?? If you dont get that joke, youre not a true Trek fan. -
Damn, I was hoping for a Tribbles movie or how about bringing Uhura back??. We never did find out what happend to her?
I have to agree Rich Berman and Braga have ripped the heart out of Trek to the point that not many people care anymore which is ashame.
My opinion is, Kill Data!!! I'm tired of hearing Spiner whine. Data made him and not he bitches because hes too old for Data and if he doesnt get story input he is not happy with the movie. Pooor Brent! blow him up and bring on Seven.
No Romulans. No Q, No Kirk. How about...An all new villian?
And one more thing, bring back Nick Meyer. We all know he saved Trek!
But seriously if we are going to do a Tenth movie, why not have all 4 captains join together to fight an anomalie of some sort or, ummm, the Borg? Oh wait, thats been done. Whales? God? That chick from Sex and the City? Or how about the parents from the show "7th Heaven"?? If you dont get that joke, youre not a true Trek fan. -
Geez, even the vague descriptions of this looming pile of stool are suffused with terminal geekiness. I suppose the mere mention of the word "Romulan" has thrown legions of pocket protector-wearing nosepickers into waves of orgasmic abandon. Which, of course is the main problem with this shambling, undead franchise: it's become a bad Saturday Night Live parody of itself. Mention "Star Trek" to almost 95% of the folks out here and it engenders giggles or derisive snorts. It's a fuckin' JOKE! I have absolutely NO hope for this coming nerdfest to be anything short of god-friggin'-awful. I'm sure the "doozy" (sheesh... I can just hear that word lisped through a mouth full of braces) of a villain will be either A) some well-renowned, but past-his-prime actor slumming in the role of a cliched, Shakespeare-spouting madman, or B) some sort of powerful "big weird-looking thing" from outer space that endangers our fair planet earth by talking to sea mammals or something. Whichever it is it will undoubtedly C) force our "heroes" to travel back in time. WHATever...
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OK maybe not. But Q John de Lancie is right, Star trek movies suck and need fresh life. The best Star Trek movie was 4 cos it was different. There are so many sci-fi movies that kick ST ass so they better get their arse in gear. Star Trek needs the following if it is be any good:
John de Lancie (Q) acting in a major role.
The chap who plays Gul Dakat in a good acting role.
And Sisko in an "American History X" acting role.
A non-Star Trek director. Preferably David Fincher!!!
Or Paul Verhoeven.
Or Brian Singer.
Not Jonathan Frakes.
Better jokes than all TNG movies.
Less of Data.
More sex (optional)
You have to agree that there are plenty of great sci-fi movies out there and Star Trek sticks to the same formula. I mean Star Trek First Contact could have been the best sci-fi ever, but it was wasted.
How about Russell Crowe as a bad Romulan. What the hell is a doozy.
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Dec 02, 2000 10:16:56 AM CST
ALERT!!! the greatest cinematic event in the history of mankind
by mista fong
ok, here it is:
troi goes under cover again as the romulan intelligence chick and due to a transporter malfunction or gravometric distortion or some other plot device that will make all geeks bowels overflow with joyous delight, she forgets who she was and believes she is the queen bitch dominatrix of romulus. she then gets some gem hadar(if I spelled that wrong please go fuck yourself) camoflage technology and penetrates(that's foreshadowing) federation space and kidnaps both dax bitches(I don't give a shit if one's dead or not), tasha yar, kira, seven of sixtynine, lt valeris, lt saavik(the hot kirstie alley one not the shit replacement and not the fat now kirstie the then hot one), and any other hot trek cuuntes you can think of. she brings them back to Gynoproctous, the secret Romulan sexual research planet she has created. What follows is 2 hours of genital shaving, anal probing, clittoral throbbing and general lesbianic oral vaginal and anal exploitation. Call it Star Trek: The Wrath of Troi's Flapping Labia. I can have the script fleshed out by noon if I'm able to disloge this picard action figure from my anus.
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Dec 02, 2000 10:28:12 AM CST
"INSURRECTION" To Be The Greatest "TREK" film since "KHAN"-Remem
by rightwing dude
At least we will have some real villains this go around....I'll take them over the So'na anyday...And at least they chose not to go the route of the Klingons (or the Borg) yet again. Make X edgier, worthy of a PG-13 rating at least. It's probably a good thing that we have to wait 4 years for X to be released because, frankly, I was really beginning to become bored by "TREK". I no longer watch the (awful) "VOYAGER" show. Maybe a four year sabbatical is what we Trekkers all need!
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Dec 02, 2000 10:36:39 AM CST
If Rick Berman & Jonathan Frakes Happen To Be Reading This.....
by rightwing dude
Berman-you can leave out the technobabble this time, okay! Please!........And use LUCASFILM this time around, okay! Please!
Frakes-You have a year before filming begins. Lose weight (compare yourself in FIRST CONTACT & INSURRECTION-) & grow your beard back! -
What the ST movies need is a good shake up. I thought thats what we would get in Insurrection, but instead we get some impotent Starfleet admiral with a mid life crises concocting some bullshit plot. I want to see the Federation fall, not just threatened. I want to see major characters die. I want to see old characters come in (spock would be perfect for a romulan storyline) as part of the story like Khan, not as a contrived fucking plot device. Come on guys. You are too comfortable with yourselves. If the shitty box office returns from the last movie arent enough of a wake up call, nothing will be. Lets see danger, danger, danger! Have Earth get rocked by an attack. Have a Romulan conspiracy that has been decades in the making finally come into fruition when they launch a multi-pronged attack against the entire Federation at once, using intellegence and military strategy, and not something that can be fixed by reversing the polarity of the tacheon inversion array.
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Dec 02, 2000 2:56:41 PM CST
The only way I'll ever go and see another "Star Trek" crapfest..
by tender branson
....is if it's a big budget adaption of that way stupid "X-Men /Star Trek" crossover thing which in the infinite realm of bad ideas, this was the ultimate bad idea. (Especially that part where Beast was looking over the old Enterprise Medical and saying things like: "I've never seen technology this advanced!" Wasn't there a salt shaker with a little flashlight used for a tri-corder back then?) "Star Trek" films have sucked fucking dick ever since "The Search for Spock". Rick Berman is a bigger hack than Joel Shumacher and Akiva Goldsman put together. If Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner, (The only talented members of the cast of "Next Generation".) has any brains whatsofuckingever, they would bug out now before Berman decides to buy the rights to Jar Jar and import into the Federation for comic relief. "Star Trek" is done to death. The overexposure of the past decade and a half has beat it to death. It's boring, the idea is boring, the setting is boring, the ships are boring, nothing ever happens, even when something is happening. The shows and the movies have this weird air of non-importance. A kind of stale, "Who cares?" designed to appeal only to freaks who dress like the characters and then go out in public. "Deep Space Nine" was the best that "Trek" had to offer. It was the one time that anything about "Trek" managed to make me give a shit about anything having to do with the Federation and all it's trappings. The stories were intelligent, the characters were well written, (Well up until that whole Dominion non-event.) and the whole series seemed divorced from the stale air of all things "Trek". That's what this series needs: NEW LIFE! It needs new set designs, new production designs, HARDER EDGED STORIES AND PLOTS, and a definite FALL OF THE FEDERATION slant. The Federation is a utopia, and utopias are fucking boring. Tear it up a little bit, this whole "Prime Directive" thing is headed in the direction of that "Third Earth: Babylon 5" (A show that was HIGHLY SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING "TREK". That show took lots of chances.) All the Federation does is go from planet to planet, bringing peace and wisdom and they're all fat with their own sense of self-importance blah, blah, blah.
They need something to teach them a little humility, something to show them their way isn't the best way and some things are best left alone. (Not even the Borg could do that.) Until someone can come up with harder approach to "Star Trek", something fresh to supplant the insistent need to rehash the pilot series over and over and over and over again. Then fucking put it in the closet and leave it there for a while. -
Dec 02, 2000 3:11:42 PM CST
Or even better, screw "Star Trek" and bring on "Galaxy Quest 2"!
by tender branson
That was the best "Trek" -flick in years!!!!
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Fetch me the funkiest man alive today!
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...Is to be produced by people who aren't the same folks that have been doing the shows for so long. Look at the last three movies. The entire production staff was the same people who make the show, right down to the make-up and costume designers! John Logan as a writer is a step in the right direction. Now they need a MAINSTREAM SCI-FI/ACTION DIRECTOR. Trek needs to take a look at what the rest of the sci-fi universe is doing (Matrix, X-Men) and take a road that it hasn't taken before. Trek needs to realize that it's trying to make a movie, not a TV episode.
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Burton as director might be just what this franchise needs-an outsider from Star Trek who could put an OUTRAGEOUS new spin on the saga.
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The best Trek films have all had some kind of major shake-up... (2) Spock dies, (3) Spock returns and Enterprise blows up, (4) Crew save planet and get new ship, (6) Crew save hope of peace with Klingons and sail off into sunset, and (8) Crew save history as they know it from the Borg...does anyone else see the pattern here? Look at the crappy films...(1) Crew defeat a NASA Voyager probe by mating with a machine, (5) Crew defeat a Vulcan who laughs and some undefined alien who pretends to be God, (7) Crew defeat a madman who wants to be really, REALLY happy (I know Kirk dies, which is an event, but that was a marketing ploy and nothing more ), and (9) Crew save a bunch of overly-philosophical immortals and reunite them with their dermatologically-challenged offspring. EVENTS are where it's at with successful Trek movies, and by golly we deserve an event after suffering through 6 years of Voyager. I want Spock. I want galactic bloodshed and carnage with a REAL threat to the Federation. I want a complete ban on any kind of "pulses," "tachyons," or "gravametric (fill-in-the-blank)s." And if Lore, Sela, or Q show up, you'll find me spitting my last breath for hate's sake at Berman and Co.
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You know what would make Star Trek a lot better show? If it were set in outer space.
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I think Berman's doozy of a villian is bringing God back from Star Trek 5. Why? Because he just figured out why he needs a starhip. Also my guess for the title, Star Trek X: By Any Means Necessary. I just wish that was a joke.
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I've been a Star Trek fan for as long as I can remember. I grew up with the original series and I still love it. Next Generation after its initial growing pains became a kick ass series. Same for DS9. It seems to take about a season and a half for the writers to develope the characters to a point where the show starts to get interesting. The problem with Voyager is that it was as good as it was going to get on day one. Seven of Nine is nice to look at. But her character is very uninteresting. The only interesting character on the show is the doctor and he's so damned annoying he's hard to watch. Everyone else is just bland. The show has enormous potential but the writers never found it. The films were for the most part just expanded television episodes. The Wrath of Khan being the best of the bunch. But if you liked the series you should like the films. But if they want a major motion picture they need to to look outside the little mutual admiration society and hire a top notch screenwriter and director. As far as the television franchise goes the Star Trek universe still has almost unlimited potential whether they go back to the time of the original series or continue on in the present time line. But it has become clear that they need some new writers.
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You people write here about your brilliant ideas for Star Trek; you people are likely entirely uninformed about what Star Trek means or what Star Trek has meant to the popular culture of the world. TNG at its best is undeniably high-quality, progressive, and brilliant. DS9 was, in my opinion, a successful slant on the formula, yet in the end it resorted to special effects like everything else in entertainment; and, contrary to what the glassy-eyed masses (who seem to stare in stupified marvel at every explosion) would believe, Star Trek has never been about special effects. It's been about a philosophy, one that you need not agree with to see its pointed enlightenment. The effects are secondary, a means of telling the story, which is itself a means for relaying a message. Voyager has been shaky, but its premise was shaky, and it is getting better and retains the dignity to which no other pop science-fiction holds a candle. The new movie can be good; it can find itself among the stomping demands of the stupid. The good Star Trek films certainly rank with the good films of the other genres. It is not merely an umbrella for the socially awkward; it is a message of humble inclusion, of dignity. I think people overlook what was good in Insurrection because of the isolated but admittedly poor choices in minor devices. As far as philosphy goes, it was one of the most articulate and most Roddenberry in scope. Take your space battles and get your fix. I'll take the glory of our potentiel any day. And as for villains: The villains, the best ones, lack one thing, regardless of intellect: the enlightenment that defines the Federation. Earth is a Utopia, but that is part of the Star Trek philosophy. You cry "destroy Earth" because it is boring, because it would be a good plot device. I cry "save Earth." Make this one good.
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Species 8472. For those of you who stopped watching Voyager, Species 8472 was the race that utterly decimated the Borg in the delta quadrant and came from an alternate dimension called fluidic space.
Let's see Species 8472 invade the alpha quadrant and destroy Romulus. The Romuluns, who think the Federation had something to do with the destruction of their homeworld, attack Earth with their entire fleet, bent on retribution. Their attack arrives just as Species 8472 launches their own assault on Earth. Meanwhile the Borg have followed Species 8472 to the Alpha Quadrant. As a result of all this, we end up with a 4 way battle with everyone fighting everyone else.
Earth barely survives and is annihilated back to the Stone Age. The Federation is practically destroyed. Everyone from TNG and Voyager dies a horrible, violent death and we've set up the next TV series: Star Trek : Reconstruction -
I really, really, really used to enjoy Star Trek. My ex fiance was a trekker, and, no joke, wanted us to have a Star Trek wedding. Complete with Vulcan priest. She's no longer my fiance. I hope the Star Trek franchise continues to die a slow, horrible death. Leave all it's actors unemployed so that way, Jeri-Ryan will be forced to do full-frontal nudity scenes. Then life will be good.
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Romulans... the most neglected and mistreated of all of Star Trek's villianry... at least let them have more hairstyles.
i'd like to see a Romulan Civil War between Spock's underground movement and the good old fashioned (1950's USSR) Romulan Empire... lots of ground combat in the streets of Romulan cities... show the "non-military military" Federation 'heroes' the kind of cruel and costly kind of war they should have remembered from Earth history (and studied and perfected). -
Sure, it has the odd Shakespeare and has the show 'lesson' of the day, but the best Trek has always been a variation on the sailing ship story. That is what Wrath of Khan had in loads, an old fashioned Horatio Hornblower story. They are on a bloody ship, dammit!
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When they make "Star Trek X: The Return of Picard Data and the others we've neglected since the series ended", they should just forget out continuity with the TV versions. They should forget the original series, the Next Gen series, DS90210, Voyager, the whole lot!!!!! Just set the goal of telling an intelligent adventure. Make it like they were actually making a motion picture, not some TV movie. Make it grand and for crying out loud, don't swamp it down with all that pandering to the fans!!! The guys at Paramount need to justify making a TREK movie. It should stand on its own. Make it interesting and not childish.
They've tapped on Religion and Politics, is there any of the other big issues they could spin a tale around? What about this: Data in his goal of becoming more human comes to the inescapable logical conclusion that to be human he must cease being immortal. He must die. He starts desiring to explore this condition and therefore infects himself with a virus which will kill him within a certain timeframe. As the film progresses we see him age. He grows weaker. The Next Generation crew watch helplessly as they see their beloved friend begin to fade. Data requests they return to his planet of origin to die, and he even approaches Picard to carry out his memorial service once he has "passed on". Of course, there are heaps of issues that star trek could chew up with this idea. Once they return to his homeworld, they stumble across an evil plot which threatens something on a grand scale.
So, not only do they have to contend with Data dying, they have to "save the world again". It would be important to actually have Data die in the conclusion of the film. Make it somber and touching like Spock's death, not like that botched Kirk death. They really screwed up Kirk's final moments. That's a star trek movie i'd pay to see. I would prefer getting tearful in a Trek movie that getting a rush of excitement. -
Trek was good at one time, I think we all have to admit that but deciding to have no continiity with Voyager and just making it up as they go has just prooven how Messed up Trek is. Rodenberry must be turing over in his Urn. Give me a good ensemble movie with TNG cast and make it big! Give all the characters great moments, not just Data and Picard(remember Beverly?) Forget about making it a mainstream movie so "Everyone" wiil come to see it and just write a good script. Why is that so hard? Some of the books and comic Books are better than the show or last movie. In my opinion, I would have let Peter David write it and Nick Meyer direct it. That would be a fine movie!
I think Berman brought some life in TNG around the 3rd of 4th season but its hard to believe that he is still contributing to Trek. If he was any help he would have turned Voyager around but its gotten to the point that allot of people dont care about Trek anymore. I think he is just taking the money and surfing the web durning the day. -
Long have I pondered the concept of a further trek movie-series, and have found only one possibility that would satisfy the ever increasing appetite of the numerouse sci-fi geeks around the world. The idea is simple, and acknowleges the true scope of the galaxy that star trek inhabits, something that has been desperately lacking in the most recent eppisodes. My idea goes like this, A small band of human survivalists fly a rag tag pieced together salvaged starship, on a mission to re-establish the fallen federation that was destroyed 500 years ago. On the way they try to find out the true reason the federation was destroyed, and the devestating power who was responsible. all federation subspace becons and data basses were destoyed in the fall so they have no way of finding all the lost pockets of human civilisation other than exploration. I could go on, but I guess anyone reading this far down must be a fellow sci-fi \ trek sympathiser so would already have filled in all the spaces. Basicly the next trek movie would be about the descovery of this power........some kind of moon brain trancended race bent on galaxy domination ect....... the crew of the enterprise barely escapes the first encounter and the movie ends with the federation high council getting ready for an all out war. The series could begin then with the afformentioned 500 years later......... and thats all i have to say about that.....
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...if I still had her number she would be all yours. But she comes with quite a lot of emotional baggage, a bitchy mother and dumb-as-a-post brother. In other words...high mileage/low blue book.
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One Word. Lore. Bring him back, filled with hate and Revenge, to battle Data and the rest of the TNG crew and you got yourself the best damn Trek since Wrath of Khan. Lore baby, LORE!
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The perfect plot would be a movie-length adaption of the "SNL" skit where William Shatner made fun of the trekkie nerds. "You -- have you ever kissed a girl?" "Why don't you guys get a life? It's just a TV show, for god's sake. Something I did as a lark in the '60s."
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I agree that this franchise has long since gone over into boring formula. The Romulans? Screw them, fight the Gorn! I love those guys! I would pay to see 2 hours of Seven of Nine doing stretching exercises. Or eating ice cream. Or whatever. Just no "Voyager" co stars, okay? BTW, can you imagine if the Borg were around for the original series and Seven ended up on the Enterprise with Kirk as her captain? Sheesh, you wouldn't have seen him on the bridge anymore, while he tutored her on "human feelings" or whatever.
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Yay, another villian distinct from the others by the number and color of flanges sticking off its forehead. The Simpsons said it best...Star Trek XII: So Very Tired.
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Star Trek sucked, it will always suck. It's not something worth getting all worked up abouththough liked that damn talking dog and some pesky kids. Is it just me, or does it look like the movie year 2001 will be a pretty shitty one???
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A team of Al Gore's decendents return to earth, some 400 years after the 2000 election. They have counted all of the dimpled chads and determined that Al Gore won the election after all.
They insist that the entire planet be taken back in time to the year 2000 so Gore can take office.
When the Federation refuses, the Gore team sues.
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It's just you...
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Dec 04, 2000 3:31:18 PM CST
Existential Themes in Late 20th Century Science Fiction
by studio lackey
I don't care what anyone says -- Kes was fucking hot!
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Has anyone noticed how the only things on this earth more toe-curlingly vapid and pitiful than official proposals for new Star Trek films/series are the ones put forward by fans (see above)? The sad thing is that the only suggestions with the slightest hint of imagination or dramatic potential are the facetious pornographic ones.
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...dude...she has all her teeth. Just scope out any Trek convention...she'll be the skinny chick with a blue science uniform, brown hair and vulcan ears. Can't miss her. Whoops. That's all of the Trekkie chics. My bad. Oh well.
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Some of you people make me sick, with your yahoo atitudes and mindless desire for "Kewl" space battles.
Star Trek isnt was never aimed at mindless dipshits like you.
I just hope the people who run the franchise don't listen to it too much.
My advice for Star Trek, if any is needed is bring in as many new concepts, ideas, directors or writer's as you need, but never lose sight of what drew people to TNG every week - memorable characters, quality scripts and a sense of continuity and belonging between between the protaginists every week, get that right and viewer's WILL come back.
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