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Cronenberg on BASIC INSTINCT II comments
Hey folks, Harry here with some info suppliers from France.... Pat and The Ice Pick have chopped in with tiny bits heard from Cronenberg who is in France to do a retrospect and promote a book.... But of interest for all of us in the immediate sense is... his thoughts on BASIC INSTINCT 2.... why? First he feels the need to make a hit in the U.S., apparently the script was quality and had the requisite amount of perversity to appeal to him.... Right now there are two HORROR/SUSPENSE/WEIRD film directors making very POP films... Cronenberg with BASIC INSTINCT 2 and Guillermo Del Toro with BLADE 2. Both seem to have been attracted by scripts that they could transform into their 'type' of film... the sort of film they love to make and be passionate about. And in both cases I believe the work is about geniune passion for the material.... as they both get offered quite a bit of crap. Here's the word from France....
Hi Harry,
david cronenberg appeared live on french tv canal plus yesterday confirming
he will indeed direct the sequel to basic instinct
saying he had been attracted by the perversity of the script.
He made comment on film he passed on like top gun or flashdance.
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PAT from franceAnd then there was this one....
hello harry, i live in paris and i saw david cronenberg on a french show
called " nulle part ailleur" he explained to the man who did the interview
why he will direct basic instict 2 .there are the reasons: the script is
very good .(he said)
he wants to make a blockbuster but with substance ... he wants
to dynamite an american blockbuster.
he wants to work with sharon stone.
all this is true.he is in france to present some of his movies in a
retrospective and to promote a book .
The Ice Pick
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Did Cronenberg LITERALLY say that on French TV? Ah, well. We always knew the guy had a penchant for the dark and disturbing. I wonder what's so perverse about this script, though. Surely there aren't many things left that one can do with an ice pick ...
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The best review I heard for the original came from the late, great Bill Hicks; three words, PIECE OF SHIT! God save us, your poor children, from sequels, remakes, TV to film projects, and anything written by Akiva Goldsman. (I still regret not walking out on Batman & Robin)
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but cronenberg is a genius so i fully expect a masterpiece.
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It gets that label from your film fans who are by nature, self-loathing "Oh God, now EVERYBODY loves Forrest Gump I feel like an asshole for liking it -lash -lash." But it was a nice little, well-shot, piece of suspense who's plot only seems trite after seeing every other overblown Joe Esterhaus and Sex Thriller shit films the ninties. And after 800 billion references to the crotch shot on every goddamn talk show/Z.A.Z. ripoff movie we feel that we saw a bad film. We didn't, it worked, and worked well, even the icepick at the end - we only hate that because of the same reasons I just mentioned. But does it need a sequel? Uh, no. Don't you need to set up an expansive environment and numerous characters who can then take focus of a sequel? THAT, it didn't have.
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Hey, does anyone know what book Cronenberg's promoting? I assume it's not a rerelease of that faber and faber interview collection, "Cronenberg on Cronenberg."
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It was a slick and very well made film, that made Stone a star, and gave Douglas a comeback. Verhoeven is a God, and Cronenberg is right behind him. That said, Cronenberg should have stayed away from this one. There might be a decent script, but it will be VERY hard to keep up the suspense now that we know whodunnit.
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Wow! Had he been given that assignment, the 80's could've been saved. What's more, that homoerotic subtext Tarantino waxed about in SLEEP WITH ME? No longer implicit.
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Nov 17, 2000 9:01:42 AM CST
Well Basic Instinct really doesn't need a sequel but...
by cooler-than-thou
If it's as half as cool as Croenberg's 'Rabid', then I'll give it a chance.
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Just watched (on DVD, no less) that twisted gem for the first time since grade school last week. An AIDS allegory that pre-dates the outbreak by a good three years, which makes it every bit as relevant twenty-plus years later.
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Jesus H. Christ. Has everybody been sucked into the critic-spawned myth that Cronenberg is really a talented filmmaker? Yes, I'll give you that he has great concepts--but what does he do with them? I'll tell you what he does--from SCANNERS TO DEAD ZONE TO THE FLY TO DEAD RINGERS TO CRASH AND ON...he makes one badly paced, plodding movie after the other with talented actors giving their WORST, most stilted performances. Face it. HE CANNOT DRAW CONVINCING PERFORMANCES OUT OF HIS ACTORS, HE CANNOT STRUCTURE OR PACE A MOVIE TO SAVE HIS LIFE, HIS SCRIPTS RESEMBLE THOSE THAT WOULD BE MADE BY DISTURBED, NAVAL GAZING GOTH TEENAGERS. GODDAMN HE SUCKS. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! WE ARE BEING SNOOKERED BY THE GODDAMN KANOOKS UP NORTH!
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He has a humanitarian streak that rivals the late Krystof Kieslowski, and is as exacting as Kubrick. He is, my dear friends, a giant in cinema. Our Joyce! Our Van Gogh! Our Mark Fydrich!
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Henry Bean (Deep Cover) is in on the script, maybe among others.
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Gee, what happened to that dumbass, pathetic Scooby-Doo rant that was so prominent on the front page yesterday? It was posted on the 16th, and the last item still on the front page is from the 15th. Well, it's certainly not because Harry was embarassed about it, because then there would be some sort of apology or explanation for it, wouldn't there? I'm sure he's not feeling like a total tool for becoming enraged over a bad adaptation of a bad kid's cartoon. A new danger stalks the internet...FANBOY RAGE...watch out, lest you get some of the crap on you.
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I can take Jesusfranco's comments about Cronenberg since he's partly right. Cronenberg does tend to let his actors play dead in order to support his view of the world, but I would say that even within that you get some outstanding performances, Jeremy Irons gave the best of his career in 'Dead Ringers' I reckon. But DarthAlgar's usual shit about trying to work swear words into the equation is just not worth a steaming great turd. If that's the level we're going to be working at (Joel Schumegma? Hello?), does that mean I can call him DarthCunt and be funny? True perhaps, but not funny. Cronenberg can't lose here. It's a sequel, so expectations are low anyway, if he can make it a genuinely dangerous, and, god forbid, interesting film beyond Sharon Stone's twat, great, otherwise, we've lost nothing except a more obvious Hollywood progression of what was a piece of shit in the first place.
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Well, so much for praying to the alter of Cronenberg. i'm a huge fan of the guy, but i honestly cant see this project going anywhere for one simple reason- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The studios have invested too much moolah into this project to let Cronenberg have any of the freedpom that makes him good. No doubt any of the "perversity" he found on the script page will be heavily diluted by the suits that will be over his shoulder every second. It will end up being exploitative, because the entire purpose of the movie will be titilation (something Cronenberg skewered so well in Crash) adn about getting Sharon Stone naked and writhing one last time before her tits go South. i think it has tto much baggage and money invested in it, fro the producers to let Cronenberg have free reign and do what he does best.
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Then again, she is starting to show some wear and tear. Dave better get started before this becomes an old-lady fetish and not a sexy interesting film with wide-open beaver shots. I wonder, will Sharon have more than one cervix in this one? Or will she be running people down ala Deathrace 2000? Hmmmm, time is running out.
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... lots of sickening, Freudian, psycho-sexual imagery. "Basic Instint 2" should be less about the real world but more about the inner, surreal world within ever sexual-addict/killer's desires. We should get glimpses into this world: visions of the skewed reality they see our world through. I know this idea sounds kinda like the visually stunning but ultimately bad "The Cell," but with Cronenberg at the helm, the potential for truly disturbing and substance filled material can be realized. Hell, I dunno... I don't see why the heck Cronenberg would do this movie if it wasn't about sexual desire and skewed realities. Let's hope Davey does ok.
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I can easily imagine this being done on a fairly low budget, even if Sharon does return. She doesn't exactly command the top salaries nowadays...
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Stone is getting 15 million to do the film, and already a lot of money has been sunk into it because the first one was a hit. It isnt going to be a small film, because the expectations are high for it based on the originals popularity. Therefore, Cronenberg will in no way be given freedom, because they will be over his shoulder every second, adjusting, and fitting the film into what they believe will make a profit.
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Was it her towering performance in GLORIA that put her over the top? Weird. Anyhow, I do recall THE FLY being more expensive than Cronenberg's usual fare, and he managed to retain control then. We'll have to wait and see.
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I really can't see a studio big-shot pushing David Cronenberg around. He is too smart a guy to involve himself in something like this without knowing exactly what he can do with it. Besides, half the freaky shit will go right over their heads even after they approve the final edit! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!
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He passed on Alien *4* (good call!), but Total Recall he worked fucking hard on, producing about 12 drafts before he was told "well, we need more car chases and shoot-outs! Yes, DC films are slower, the acting not as demonstrative etc, but if you'll find, if you'd bothered to look, that that is quite common amongst none "Hollywood" films. As for bad acting, I've got five words for you "the Ice.. is gonna BREAK!"
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I'm all for it.
The INTERNET is just about ten years old. Maybe twelve. -
All the Metafilter posts go way back as well, but are closed to new comments I guess.
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I remember SUCK every day. When the search engines were ALTA VISTA and WEBCRAWLER -- with the picture of the black spider.
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So this weekend I'll have to run out and see BABEL cause it's all so many Academy awards and such.
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You can always go find the lists of the FIVE best-picture nomineees (I know at some point it was not always five) for each of the previous years of the Oscars, then watch those good old movies. Then make your own Oscar vote.
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In the FOUNTAIN he (Jennifer Connely's husband) had the TRAINGLE universe with all that Mayan pyramid / Triangles of stars business. Then in the world of NOW it is windows, doors and computer screens -- the RECTANGLES. And in the world of the FUTURE there is a sphere , a circle. See, those primary shapes!
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I would like to though. And I no longer have the heart, time, willingness or patience to find torrents of movies and get them and watch them that way. Life is too short and the quality sucks. YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A TELEVISION.
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I've sent Drew McWeeney email several times, but he never writes back. Sniff snif sob sob. Roger Ebert, though, has written back to me several times. But probably he doesn't do that any more. We miss you Roger.
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I know that LIBRARIES are also wayback machines. What if you could go to a special book in a library and open the book and create a WINDOW back to the year 1955?!? And you could talk to the people in the 1955 library, and tell them cool stuff! Would you tell them to PREVENT 9/11 ?!?! Would you tell them to put all their money on MICROSOFT in 1976 ?!?
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This weekend my Aunt is coming to town, one of our events will probably be to see BABEL and the other event is to make FRUIT SMOOTHIES! Get bananas, chopped strawberries and pears, mix it in some orange juice and throw in a dollop (ONE DOLLOP) of orange sherbet for good measure. OH MY GOD it is so good. Thank god we have a blender.
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I should just go out and see CASINO ROYALE but it's 1:43 a.m. at the moment.
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So Harry is the guy who called Guillermo del Toro, and told him about how many other nominations his movie had received ! That is cool !!
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My fifteen microseconds of fame were glimpsing Susan Sarandon in her red dress at the Chicago ELIZABETHTOWN premiere. Where Roger Ebert interviewed her onstage James-Lipton style for like fortyfive minutes.
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Jan 26, 2007 1:27:12 AM CST
Please, to all AICN readers, KEEP CARRYING THIS TORCH!
by anonymus coward
How can we push this AICN talkback to NUMBER ONE!!?! I am running out of steam already, cause it is way past my bed time.
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So one of the DVDs I've been watching this weekend is CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WOMEN. The director comm and the extras, and the entirely of the cinematic expeiment, were pretty neat. I know about experimental art-cinema projects, and we've all seen DePalma do his split-scene thing, and we even saw TIMECODE 2000 with four real-time whatevers. But the CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WOMEN experiment and result is really really great, and unique, I got a head-rush "Wow, I've never seen anything quite like this before" the same kind of head-rush people must have felt when first looking at computer-generated images within movie scenes (think, that walking stained-glass-window bit from YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES, old cinefex is so proud of that one.) Anyway, the movie is TWO MOVIES IN ONE. AT THE SAME TIME. Watch it to see what I mean, then watch the Director Commentary. Trust me on this one if you've read this far.
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I thought BANDIDAS would be good for a cheap thrill. Both actresses are pretty cute. Yep. cheap thrill it is. Only problem is the "plot" is so boilerplate and twistless. Hollywood needs more writers. I think Harry knows Salma, am I right?!
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Robert Rodriguez seemingly used ProTools to edit out all silences and gaps from his ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO commentary. I did that once --- any audio which goes close to or below the noise floor (-45 db) for more than 100 milliseconds, you can stealthily delete. For manicky continuous-speako madness. If you had just the right software you could even edit out the sounds of the INTAKES OF BREATH automatically somehow, that would probably be quite disconcerting to hear --- the continuous stream of syllables.
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I have to sleep soon, or watch my LES MISERABLES DVD. I wish I had more Gatorade to drink. I think everyone should see CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WOMEN, it will make you think about FILM EDITING. Made on a Mac! The future of cinema,
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FAT GIRLS, IN ORDER:
Steven Soderbergh
the kids that made the RAIDERS remake
Robert Rodriguez
M. Night Shamalyan
Shane Carruth
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some little fat girl from Ohio could borrow her dad's camcorder and
become the next Mozart of moviemaking
the new Mozart and make a beautiful film with her father's camcorder
and for once, ... But it's highly doubtful she'll be the next Mozart
by doing so
FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA once said there would come a day when some ...
could borrow her dad's camcorder and become the next Mozart of
moviemaking. ...
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Francis Ford Coppola once said there would come a day when some little
girl from Ohio could borrow her dad's camcorder and become the next
Mozart of ...
Regardless of technology the probability of that little fat girl in
Ohio becoming the next Mozart is high, not just because she has a
camcorder,
In 1991, Francis Coppola said: "To me the great hope is that now these
little ... Mozart and make a beautiful film with her father's
camcorder and for once, ...
Francis Ford Coppola," he adds, "once said there would come a day when
some ... would borrow her dad's camcorder and become the next Mozart
of moviemaking. ... -
I don't think I made it to the end of TARNATION, but I tried. Clearly it WAS made on a Mac, a nice multimedia experiment. He had a lot of raw material. I kept wishing that THE DEVIL IN DANIEL JOHNSTON had the same balls-to-the-wall art-montage flavor. The first time we all saw JFK it was brain-popping I suppose. I don't see why everyone was so upset about the style-collage of DOMINO, I was able to parse it all just fine.
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Francis Ford Coppola once predicted that the next Mozart would be "a
little fat girl in Ohio... with her father's camcorder."
Francis Ford Coppola once predicted that the next Mozart would be "a
little fat girl in Ohio... with her father's camcorder."
Francis Ford Coppola Once said there would come a DAY when some little
fat girl from Ohio would borrow her dad's camcorder and become The
Next Mozart of ...
Francis Ford Coppola once said there would come a day when some little
fat girl from Ohio could borrow her dad's camcorder and become the
next Mozart of ...
"Francis Ford Coppola once said there ... borrow her dad's camcorder
and become The next Mozart of moviemaking. ...
"Francis Ford Coppola once said there ... borrow her dad's camcorder
and become the next Mozart of moviemaking. ...
Francis Ford Coppola once predicted that the next Mozart would be a
little fat girl in Ohio... with her father's camcorder. ...
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YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR (...see kid eyeing parked car)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A HANDBAG
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A TELEVISION (...shadowy figures heisting TV from apartment)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A DVD
DOWNLOADING PIRATED FILMS IS STEALING
STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW -
I'd be downloading stuff all the time ...
Not that I would ever do such a thing for all those law enforcement people reading this ... -
I love this concept. It threw me for a few seconds but somehow makes perfect sense. I don't know if I want it to become a trend but there is an AVATAR piece I remember...
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If they only could have added a snake or two,the movie would have been a great successsssss
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Wait a minute - what's going on here?
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because it was excellent
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Ack! I'm not helping either!
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Just testing to see if this still even works. I have accomplished nothing since you heard from me last. Cronenberg's BASIC INSTINCT 3: VAGINA DENTATA.
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Oh look, an old keg. Might as well tap it again...
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