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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
There's two new henchmen who have been particularly forthcoming as of late, and one of them piped up late tonight with a tasty little bit of news I hadn't heard anywhere yet. If it turns out to be true then it's about the 200th different version of DIE HARD 4 that I've heard discussed. This one might actually be interesting, a variation on the series that could be somewhat fresh. Here's "SUPERFLY TNT" with the word...
"Hello, evil one, I've got some big news for you this time! Guess who's probably the hottest director in town right now? ROB BOWMAN, if you can belive it. THE XFILES MOVIE didn't do much for him at the time, but he's been busy, and he's about to explode!"
"I know you know all about the dragon movie REIGN OF FIRE he's doing with McConaughey, Bale, and Arnold"...
MORIARTY NOTE: Actually, I don't know nearly enough about this dragon movie. Anybody want to toss a script in the general direction of the Labs?!
..."but he's also signed up now for DIE HARD 4! Yep, he's picked a storyline with Bruce, and they're ready to go. Get this, man; Mcclane's got a kid! Like with his wife, he's pissed the kid off, and they don't talk. Then the kid gets grabbed by some mercenaries in South Africa and Bruce has no choice. He goes after him and does his thing on the bad guys! I haven't read this yet, (not even sure it's finished, but I know this is what they're doing with it) but as soon as I know more, I'll get back to you. Go kick Mongo for me! SUPERFLY TNT GONNA EXPLOOOOOODE!!"
Okay, then. Bowman, South Africa, Bruce and his son... all of this is new to me. Consider it a rumor for now, but I'm on the case. Let's sort this sucker out.
Just popped back in to respond to those in TalkBack below who are bringing up TEARS FROM THE SUN and the jungle scenario and saying, "Way to scoop old news, AICN!" Might I suggest a reading comprehension course? I never said jungle. My spy is talking about a new director, Rob Bowman, and not John Woo or McTiernan, or anyone we've heard mentioned with the series before, and a new premise altogether. TEARS FROM THE SUN, the South American rainforest DIE HARD sequel that was proposed, has been dead for quite some time now. It was not set in South Africa. It was more like DELIVERANCE, involving McClane and a group of businessmen who crashed in the jungle and had to survive without weapons against someone who was hunting them. I don't know who wrote the South African version they're talking about now, but I will be finding out as I confirm this. And, yes, Wrathful Buddha... it's true Bruce said he wouldn't be pursuing new action vehicles. He's been saying that for a while now. He's also been obligated to the DIE HARD 4 project forever, though, and by all accounts I've heard, he plans to fulfill that obligation. Like I said... we'll sort it out. Until then, it's a rumor, and worth noting as such. Clear enough now?
"Moriarty" out.
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There, I said it first. =] Let's just hope they don't screw with and ruin this franchise...3 wasn't so great, and I'd hate to see it go any further downhill than that.
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Seems unlikely but if it is true why does Bruce have to have a kid in most of his films at the moment?
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McClain has kids? Well, since they showed all of them in the first movie, that's no surprise. Could be cool, I guess...
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Die Hard was incredible and totally blew me away when i saw it in the theater, but DH2 sucked ass. DH3 was okay but that was mostly because of Jackson's performance.
Now DH 4 is stretching this a little bit tto far.
As for Bowman. That doesn't sound good as The X-Files movie also sucked.
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The first was good, the second was alright, the third i didn't like at all. P.S I don't believe i just called a Renny Harlin movie "alright".... P.P.S. I just finished James Ellroy's American Tabloid, and i reckon it could make a great movie. Does anyone else agree?
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Shows what I know. Regardless of that, I think we all know how the child actor will ruin this film. In films, as in life, children should be seen and not heard.
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Die Hard in the Jungle sounds a perfect concept for a fourth film. Bowman is an intelligent choice for it. Tension and suspense without the obligatory exploding office. Suits me. XFiles film was great.
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Did anyone else know that Die Hard 3, was really an unused script for Lethal weapon 4!Im not joking .Think about it, all that jumping from great heights ,whilst tied to Samuel L.Jackson stuff, mismatched buddy shit and crazy driving scenes .Pure Lethal Weapon!
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Nov 16, 2000 8:33:28 AM CST
Bruce Willis character in Die Hard ALWAYS had kids from the firs
by sundown
and in the book the first film is based on (which is AWESOME) he is trying to rescue his daughter. The Mclane character is also an ex private eye and cop and WWII fighter pilot hero. His daughter lands a big job (it takes place in the seventies) and the old bitter Joe Leland goes to see her in LA. It is an incredible story called 'Nothing Lasts Forever' and the second with the Leland character the first being 'The Detective' which is also excellent. Willis should actually do that as a film. He would rock in it now that he is older. The Die Hard series is in my opinion superior to almost all action films but this new one sounds like Commando. Thats not what its about. Die Hard should be about suspense and FEAR and a true thriller. I would like to see DePalma do it maybe (although after Mission to Mars I don't know) or even someone 'out there' like Alex Proyas or Stephen Hopkins and yes he did Lost in Space but he captured the 'feel' of what a Die Hard should be in Judgement Night. It should almost be directed like a horror film- maybe Freidkin he did the Excorcist an he knows action? Campbell from Goldeneye might be nice too. Lets face facts- McTeirnan with a GOOD script (McQuarrie should write it) would be ideal. Someone who could re-inject the claustrophobia and utter dread and stomach turning the first one had. Once again I must rec to any fan of the film FIND the book! It like most books takes the story to much higher levels of suspense. (but I love the film!)
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Sundown, superb mate. If screen writers could get an ounce of the realism achieved in that book, you'd have a piece of fucking work.
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That "Die Hard In the Jungle" stuff was brought up about four years ago. It was based on a script called "Tears of the Sun." I just checked Coming Attractions, and it mentioned a possible "jungle setting" for "Die Hard 4" in July 1996. Way to stay ahead of the ball, AICN.
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My ass. And Sundown was on the money when he mentioned Commando - exaclty what I was thinking. Besides everyone elses comments on the script, consider the inplausability that a cop would go INTERNATIONAL to rescue his daughter. I highly doubt McClane has the same ammory as Arnold in Commando... Leave Die Hard behind. Bruce is the Man and Die Hard may have got him there, but he is moving on. Now a follow up to Hudson Hawk...Hee hee, I'd be "swinging on a star"! Someone hand me a cappacino...
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Her gentle serenity was missed in Die Hard With A Vegetable.
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I always think of vast desert plains and diamond mines when I think of the land of Apartheid. Anyhow, bring back McLaine's wife!!!
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Um, right, South Africa, not South America... Stupidity aside, I like Moriarty's comment on the South American storyline. Crashing with execs, fighting their way out, McClane out of his element but toughing out another battle against badguys simply by being a "tough guy". That I like. That is a cool script. Jungle Boogie - Kool and the Gang - 3 minutes 4 seconds...
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Nov 16, 2000 10:57:00 AM CST
thanks reni and I never thought I would agree with a Hudson Hawk
by sundown
yeah both those books rocked for realism and if someone did want to reinvent the genre WITHOUT wirefu and john woo (hey that rhymed) a film like that is the way to go. Few 'action' films have ever delved into the psychological nature of the actions the hero must take. What we are talking about is a violent intense drama. The only film I can think of off hands that has the 'action' and drama balanced well was Patriot Games... so in a way lets move past Die Hard 4 and do the Detective as a period piece drama. Then he can do the sequel which will be somewhat of a remake of Die Hard and shock the world all over again the same way Die Hard did. Either way if they make new films I hope they keep these in mind and throw out he Commando formula-by the way that was more interesting than Tears because in Commando atleats they had the reason of blackmailing Ahnuld to do their bidding...why would they kidnap Mclanes kid? Atleast they aren't making the under water one with Ninjas...anyone read or hear about that mess? Yikes!
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Nov 16, 2000 11:05:18 AM CST
SDG's 'Die Hard' Movie Law of Inverse Relationship Between Physi
by sdg
To summarize briefly, "SDG's 'Die Hard' Movie Law of Inverse Relationship Between Physical Parameters and Dramatic Force" stipulates that, the broader the physical parameters of a "Die Hard" movie -- physical parameters that expand progressively and linearly throughout the series in a forward-chronological direction -- the dramatic force, narrative focus, and all-around entertainment value of the movies diminishes proportionately. Thus, the first "Die Hard," which was largely confined in its central dramatic action to a single skyscraper, was the most focused and dramatically powerful of the series; "Die Hard 2" expanded its physical parameters to a large airport and outlying areas, weakening the movie's focus and dramatic force proportionately; and "Die Hard 3" sprawled out all over New York City streets and underground, diminishing the focus and dramatic force still further. Now comes the possibility of "Die Hard 4," which threatens to sprawl out across an even more unconfined geographical area. I leave it as a problem for the student what effect this will have on the film's dramatic force and narrative focus. (Presumably, "Die Hard 5" would require a still larger geographical area, such as Antarctica; after that we would probably need to step up to a truly global drama [if "drama" is still the right word for what such a movie would offer], and finally "Die Hard 7" would logically have to move into outer space. Fortunately, my Movie Law stipulates that even if "Die Hard 6" should ever be made, it must necessarily be so monstrously bad and unwatchable that there will never, ever be a "Die Hard 7."
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Well, okay let's score credibility as zero on this one. McLain has TWO kids. A daughter and a son. They were shown in the first film, and mentioned in the others. If people are going to write scripts based on popular film series, they should at least do the goddamn research on the characters and watch the other films before writing crap.
This film doesn't sound like a DIE HARD film and isn't very intresting in terms of story and potential conflict.
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Nov 16, 2000 11:20:12 AM CST
Why is crap (yes this will be crap) being made when cool ideas l
by iamlegolas
I mean, how hard would it to make this movie, goddamnit!!! FOX owns both rights, and Stan Winston/ILM did the effects on both. Just use the fuckin' comic books as reference or whatever to slap a script together. Use Lucy Lu or Michelle Yeoh as the main character. Just don't CGI any of the aliens, at least up close, and it should be just fine. Have Vin Diesel in there somewhere.... say... I should work at FOX!!!
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... what was this about?
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Nov 16, 2000 11:50:26 AM CST
And The Director Of DIE HARD 4 is...embarrassed as hell, or shou
by buzz maverik
However, as a whore myself, I'm publically pitching DIE HARD 5: THE MASTER GUNFIGHTER. Bruce is retired from the police force, more or less in unofficial witness relocation. He's the sheriff in a tiny county in Oklahoma, because he has too many enemies, he's actually a liability to his family, friends and major police departments. Here's where, like all big budget sequels, it must get stupid: with McClane's reputation, any killer wanting to make his own rep tries to take him out. In his little township, he's found by THE BOSS and THE PRISONER. Boss is a steroided, always silent, always brilliant, unstoppable killing machine who is stupidly well equipped. Prisoner is a former hotshot cop whom Boss has captured and turned into his bitch and his voice. John McClane must die for the hell of it or they will spend the night slaughtering people in the county (since it's a stupid action movie, communications have been knocked out in a way that would never work in real life). If anyone wants this, I'll take one million dollars, a custom made Purdy shotgun, and a Chevy Suburban packed with Cuban cigars. And I'll be embarrassed as hell.
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If they wanted to make a fourth "Die Hard" movie that makes sense, they should have McClaine as the head of an anti-terrorist strike team, since he is by now an expert on terrorist situations. It would make sense, and wouldn't involve the "chance" that terrorists once again go after McClaine.
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The Die Hard series is the best..The first was pure class..The second couldn't measure up but was as entertaining as hell..The third was just amazing..I'm so looking forward to the first Die Hard been give the 5 star treatment on dvd and the others being released as special edition 2 discs..I'm looking forward to a fourth but they should kill McClane whilst saving his kid to end the series in style..It's what they should of done with the Lethal Weapon series..bye..
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The question is not who will direct the next Die Hard film, but WHY do we need another Die Hard film? How many times can you make the SAME movie. Is this not more proof that Hollywood has run out of new ideas? When you recycle shit, the result is only more shit!
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put the christmas back in the die hard movies and everything will be fine. Also, south africa? just put McClane in a big building or something already and let's kill some terrorist, who cares it has been done before. Kill kill kill, murder murder murder
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I'm still saying this guy is talking about "Tears of the Sun," and he just mixed up South Africa and South America. But whatever it is, bring "Die Hard 4" on - say what you want, but this series has more life in its credits than the third and fourth "Lethal Weapon" films had in their entire running times. And, this is a bit off-topic, but "Charlie's Angels" blows (it makes you appreciate David Fincher's talents when McG tries to mimic his every move and fail miserably). Come on, Hollywood - there are ZERO good movies out right now!
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one thing that stayed with me about McClane's kids after wacthing Die Hard so many times was that his kids looked, at least in the pictues they showed, like they had a form of down syndrome. Anyone know for sure??
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Nov 16, 2000 4:40:51 PM CST
Actually This Die Hard Was Originally Called GOD VS. THE DEVIL.
by buzz maverik
It's by a really young British screenwriter...and I'm such a geek for knowing this stuff.
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Why the hell would they give John Maclain a son and why the hell would they have him go to Africa?! He's a fuckin' cop! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY TRYING TO DUE?! RUIN IT?! THIS BETTER BE JUST A RUMOR OR I"M GOING TO FIND THE PEOPLE WHO PUT TIME INTO THIS JUNK AND I'M GOING TO KICK THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!-I'M REALLY PISSED!!!!!!!!
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I still think Ignition wouldve made a better Die Hard 4
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If we HAVE to have another Die Hard film, then Rob Bowman is a good choice. He directed the best, most action-packed episodes of 'The X-Files' including 'Anasazi' and the truly awesome 'Kill Switch.' Learn something before you open your stupid fat ignorant mouths. Have a nice day
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If we HAVE to have another Die Hard film, then Rob Bowman is a good choice. He directed the best, most action-packed episodes of 'The X-Files' including 'Anasazi' and the truly awesome 'Kill Switch.' Learn something before you open your stupid fat ignorant mouths. Have a nice day.
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'die hard' is one of my favourite action movies of all time, so i look for news about possible sequels with a keen eye. you think you're a big geek, buzz maverik - check this no-life action: this 'die hard 4' is a script called 'tears of the sun' (i think ron bass was involved in it somehow), and john woo was rumoured to be attached at some stage. the thing is, bruce is now attached to a jungle action adventure called 'man of war' for joe roth's revolution studios. unless that's a disinformation campaign (and i personally don't think it is), i kinda doubt he's gonna do two very similar action movies so close together. especially since bruce is always going on about how he's not gonna make any more 'die hard' movies no more. in five-tone's perfect world, bruce will make 'man of war' with martin campbell as director. bowman seems like a capable enough director, but i'm withholding judgement until i see this dragon movie (which i think sounds crazy-cheesy-cool), and quite frankly, superfly TNT's report reeks of bowman's reps trying to get some buzz going about their client. five-tone out.
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They should work together someday for another installment of Die Hard.
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Nov 16, 2000 10:44:38 PM CST
WILLIS RECENTLY SAID IN MANY INTERVIEWS THAT HE WOULD DO A DIE H
by moto
Willis stated in the EW magazine that while he is shying away from action, he would love to do a fourth DIE HARD if he liked the script. This isn't word for word but it's true.
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I read the novelization of the third DIE HARD when the movie came out because I had read that the climax was reshot to include Samuel Jackson..anyway it had Bruce tracking down Gruber BY HIMSELF and he plays a game of Simon says/russian roulette with him .After some tense moments trying to stump each other Grueber gets one of the answers wrong and Blam -dead terroist. John Mcclane walks away cowboy style....Here's my question -does anyone have a bootleg copy of the original and/or will it ever be on a special DVD release?
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The 1988 original created-&-perfected the modern high-octane set-piece-oriented action-thriller. "The Rock," "Under Siege," "Speed," "Air Force One," and "Passenger 57"-type movies have all been hangers-on. The genre has gradually gotten dumber and less interesting since then, dissipating into modern turkeys like "Turbulence" and "Chill Factor." Focus groups have retarded the action-tentpole-franchise genre into banal, soulless, lowest-common-denominator oatmeal. "The Negotiator" failed to live up to its advance test-screening hype, and its respected marquee stars failed to help it recoup its budgetary investment. The screenplay for "Ignition" would likely bear similar ill fruit ("Armageddon redux") as would that sci-fi-comic-book-like underwater-ninja-dome nonsense. Neither of them befits John McClane and this franchise. DIE HARD 1 was only a so-so release when it arrived in theaters 12 years ago, yet now looking back from the perspective of its copycats, it seems more and more like a Shakespearean masterpiece of vivid, highly-charged "realism." Hence Fox's upcoming 2-DVD Special Edition loaded with extras, shows how much audiences have grown to respect this Joel Silver classic. Granted, it's just escapism. But it's high quality escapism. That quality of craftsmanship has been sorely lacking of late. Psychologically and cinematically, DIE HARD --- this tentpole-franchise series which spawned its own mini-genre --- should end with a dignified bang, in a way that allows Die Hard 4 to remind audiences as well as rival filmmakers about what heights of suspenseful entertainment this genre is really supposed to be about, just as the original movie makes its competitors pale in comparison. First off, John McClane should die in the end of Die Hard 4. Not for the sake of just being cynical/destructive/sequel-destroying, but rather because such a dramatically powerful conclusion would be a stark wake-up call to audiences jaded by sunshine-happy lowest-common-denominator focus-group-oriented rip-off tripe like "Chill Factor,"
"Executive Decision" and "Air Force One." Just as Cameron and McTiernan have gotten us accustomed to fake endings (quickly followed by climaxes to the climaxes), so too should Die Hard 4 end with a twist...except this time, after McClane has successfully beaten the villains and triumphed in saving the public from violently explosive evil, THEN he and he alone is privately exposed to the secret reality that the master villain has survived with an even more deadly public threat that only the villain and McClane know about and will wreak its havoc in mere moments unless McClane sacrifices himself. Unbeknownst to anybody else, and out of sight where nobody will ever even see the danger lurking. So: while the rest of the police and populace celebrate their victory and the courageous strength of McClane, the actual lone hero dies a quiet death without anyone realizing the ultimate price he's just paid for them in taking out the villain. It's sort of like a grander take on the ending of LEON THE PROFESSIONAL, another movie that was received at its debut with so-so reactions, but is now widely regarded as a bold-gutsy masterpiece. Yeah, it's a little downbeat even in its sense of tragic honor, so the execs will naturally be wary at first of doing this to a big-budget high-profile production like Die Hard 4. But this is the sort of courage that a movie needs to affect the course of its own genre, to re-orient the marketplace with a reminder of quality. After all, GLADIATOR recently swept up big bucks in spite of its "sad" Braveheart-type ending. Also, regarding the need for Die Hard 4 to take place in a fresh locale... as interesting as it might seem to venture into the rainforest, McTiernan already explored that geography twice ("Predator" & "Medicine Man") so I'm not sure how much jungle-spectacle is left untapped... on the other hand, if we were to send McClane to an alternative high-rise business center in Paris, Jerusalem, Tokyo, or a similar "global" metropolis, we'd return McClane to Die Hard 1's skyscraper roots while pitting our lone-cop hero into another dangerous fish-out-of-water situation like he was as the fresh newcomer lost in SoCal in Part 1. I could be wrong of course, but it's worth a consideration. And it would still allow story exploration of both McClane's relationship to his family (Holly & his now-college-aged kids) and the international Fortune 500 behemoth Nakatomi conglomerate, amidst a backdrop of WTO/GATT protests and personal-political conspiracies. But in the end, the series must close with McClane's ultimate sacrifice. He dies the most honorable way of all, and if the studio execs MUST be convinced by cheese, we could always *suggest* that his "partner" in Die Hard 4 could become the focus of a spin-off series. Of course, most of us want the series to end here with dignity, but whatever contingencies necessary to negotiate convincingly with the suits should be considered. As for Director, Bowman's fine - "The X-Files Movie" was stylish and intelligent; Bowman at one time was going to make the fan-beloved "I Am Legend." Martin Campbell is obviously fine as he's McTiernan's stylistic twin. Fincher's out as he's already making a Die-Hard-esque "Panic Room." Bay's out as he already did "The Rock." Norrington's not available. Tony Scott, Renny Harlin, and Christian Duguay should never even be mentioned (whoops I just did.)
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.. But I'm going to, that whole concept blows donkeys, Die Hard 3 proved that the series didn't need confined spaces and restricted locales to produce effective, tense action, it just needed a good script and a great actor playing the bad guy... (though the ending could have been tighter)
If Comm.. sorry, Die Hard 4 follows that pattern, it will be the foulest evil perpetrated on a franchise snce Alien 4. Die Hard needs to threaten people, not just McClane, it needs to be in a populous area, and it NEEDS a brilliant bad guy (Preferably an Englishman, we make the BEST villains, how about Robin Sachs, he was great in Galaxy Quest) -
bruce doesnt want to do an erotic comedy.
where is it written that a die hard movie has to automatically be an action movie.
maybe they are taking the die hard movies into brave new ground.
An erotic comedy perhaps?
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You can talk shit about Die Hard 1&3 but Die Hard 2 was one of the most unique action films ever made. It's a film that combines action and crisis/disaster flawlessly. Sure the film has a lot of bad editing and Michael Kamen as usual can't compose an acceptable theme. But even though most of Harlin's films are crap (Deep Blue Sea), he did a good job directing this movie. McTiernan really disappointed me when he made the other two considering his other films are really good. If you'll notice this is the first action movie from which the hero doesn't win until the very end. In the first action sequence the terrorist escapes, in the second the SWAT team are ambushed and the antenna array is destroyed, and in the third and fourth the terrorists escape along with the general. But in the final action sequence where you here the line "Yeepee kiyay motherfucker" and McClane uses his lighter, it was sudden victory. The bad guys were killed and the planes were saved. You'll never see that in other films.
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You bet JP3183! Fight the power!
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