Nov. 16, 2000, 12:35 a.m. CST
Well, I was willing to give it a chance till I heard who was going to actually be in this film. Can't Warner Bros. make a single good decision on anything? The Matrix was a complete fluke, I'm starting to think. I am a major Scooby Doo fan, and I know a lot of my friends are as well, and this just breaks my heart. Did they just throw darts at a list of actors nobody wants? It seems to me like that is how they are doing the casting on this one. It is sad. It is really and truly sad.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:35 a.m. CST
dear god help us all.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:38 a.m. CST
Preach on brother!! Amen!
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:39 a.m. CST
five-tone told ya this was gonna bite. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA HAVE RABIES!!! raja gosnell i could take, freddie prinze jr i could tolerate, but MATTHEW 'MARKED FOR DEATH' LILLARD? the man who singlehandedly fucks up every movie he appears in? 'scream' was on TV the other night and once again i had to bear witness to his grotesque ham acting! why do people continue to hire this guy? WHY? if you want a decent shaggy, the choices are simple: seth green (sure, why not?), tom green (could be interesting), rhys ifans (is he too old to hang with freddie and buffy?) and OWEN WILSON (if you were making a good movie, you'd start with own as shaggy and build the cast around him...that's if you were making a GOOOOOOD movie). i swear to jeebus, i never saw any reason for this movie to see the light of day, but now i know that WB actually stands for WORK of BEELZEBUB!!! (BTW, raja gosnell didn't direct 'ever after'; that was fellow hack andy tennant. damn good rant otherwise, harry.)
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:41 a.m. CST
I hate Matthew Lillard.... so very much.... Tom Green would've made a good shaggy..... ah well, I wasn't very intersted in this movie anyway.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:43 a.m. CST
I haven't seen Harry this pissed since his Soldier reviewa. Jeez, Harry, like it was ever going to be good anyway- it would probably have been a little better than inspector gadget or The Flintstones... which ain't much. Chill, man, Chill.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:44 a.m. CST
The reason that The Matrix kicked ass was because the movie was made by Village Roadshow. They made that and Deep Blue Sea. Cool company.... oh, wait, didn't they also do RED PLANET? Damn. Well, everyone makes mistakes.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:47 a.m. CST
I would like to criticize you, Harry Knowles, for not being a good journalist. I think you should be more refined and not so one-sided. I will now go criticize Charlton Heston for not being a good Communist.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:48 a.m. CST
Freddie Prinze Sr. took his own life. Possibly to avoid this film?No need to apologize there Harry.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:56 a.m. CST
C'mon let's keep this in perspective...it's scooby doo...scooby doo. Y'know that horribly animated cartoon about some punk ass kids that have nothing better to do than rip masks off the heads of innocent criminals. They should be in school goddamnit! And that talking dog... what's in those "special" snacks of his anyway? Personally I think Matt Lillard would make a great Shaggy, he looks like he's smoked a lot of pot in his day. And Just once i'd like to see Shaggy and the Scoobs share a nice Jamaican fatty. It was the 60's right?
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:56 a.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
A bit angered today, aren't we?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1 a.m. CST
Harry's funny when he's all angry and stuff. Am I the only one who thinks there can never be a live-action Scooby-Doo that works? To me, it defeats itself. I can think of a compelling reason to *want* to see a live-action version. Same with the Flintstones (although the last movie made a better attempt at being the Flintstones than the first one). The other problem is the only reason you would want to do a live-action Scooby-Doo is to finally deconstruct the Scooby-Doo formula which is actually kind of funny when you watch the series as an adult. I would want a movie more in the vein of "The Brady Bunch Movie". Recently, I figured out why these "meddling kids" were travelling all over the place in their van: they're ravers crossing the country following top DJ's to their raves. Shaggy is obviously the ecstasy/pot dealer. What did you think were in those scooby snacks? Why do you think Shaggy was always hungry? :-) Of course, you can put together the love triangle Fred, Daphne and Velma had...
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:02 a.m. CST
Shit, Harry, if you ever need to lead an army to go out and slaughter millions of Freddie Prinze Jr.'s, I'll be behind you with a chainsaw and a smile on my face! Besides, it's not like anyone making this movie has any real sense of film-making whatsoever. "Hey, all those other movies based on old T.V. shows are doing pretty good. . . and I keep seeing Freddie Prinze Jr.'s face on a lot of teen magazines. . . *!*. . . Let's make a movie with Freddie Prinze Jr. . . . and it'll be based on an old T.V. show! Brilliant! But, what could we make a movie off of. . . ? Eh, I dunno. I wonder what's on Cartoon Network right now. . . ."
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:06 a.m. CST
Hey folks. The reason Scooby Doo will bomb is simple - the same reason the live-action Rocky and Bullwinkle bombed. No one knows who the fuck it is! No one of this generation has ever heard of Scooby Doo or developed any appreciation for it. It was a fucking cartoon. Even the people who DID remember Bullwinkle back in their day, certainly want to see a live-action movie of it. Just my 2 cents. My condolences for Harry. He's the man.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:11 a.m. CST
by JimJim Binks
I was beaten to the punch on the unaviodable Wing Commander joke. I was thinking more of a prequel though. DAVID ARQUETTE IS SHAGGY!! I've liked him in very few movies because of this. He's the perfect Shaggy, and he plays every part like the perfect Shaggy. What the hell is WB thinking?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:12 a.m. CST
I bet this movie will be all about the fucking dog. I mean, REALLY all about the fucking dog. It'll be about Scooby getting seperated from the rest of the gang and having to fend for himself in a bunch of zany mis-adventures. Meanwhile, the gang sets out to find ol' Scoob, but can't really do it because of some stupid reason-or-other. Oh, and as a final twist in the gut, Scoob will talk the whole time to a bunch of animals that he comes across. I mean REALLY talk to them, and they'll talk back. Mark my words, it WILL happen this way! ------------- In order to make a somewhat DESCENT Scooby-Doo movie, you would focus on the group of teenagers who ban together in order to become Private Eyes. . . solving mysteries ala "X-Files" (a modernized twist that fits the bill, if I do say so myself). Sure, of course Scooby will be the prime focus of the show, but in a different way. . . as an ACTUAL DOG! Not some big CG mut that half-assed talks to the kids and jumps in Shaggy's arms whenever he's scarred. He should be a REAL dog that does REAL dog things. Sure, he'll still be just as cowardly as Shaggy, and he'll still run and hide, and he'll even help sniff-out the culpret behind the whole mystery, but he won't be the main character! Sure, the movie wouldn't win any acadamy awards, but it'd be a bit faithful to the Scooby-Doo fans, and still have a modernized realism to it. But, what the hell do I know?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:13 a.m. CST
But then, that'd be like trying to ignore a big juicy boil on your ass, I guess. This doesn't even merit the dubious dignity of sucking donkey dick......this breaths gnat farts. Oh....by the way....you bought Scooby dog collars for a bunch of girls ? Way to go, you little devil !
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:14 a.m. CST
...but it won't be now, and really, that's no big loss. I feel a twinge of nostalgia for "Scooby Doo" too, even threw out goofy-ass casting suggestions a few weeks back, but that show was really just another horrible Hanna-Barbera cartoon. Better than "Laughalympics", but that ain't sayin' much. Hanna-Barbera's reputation is based exclusively on an unhealthy nostalgia for some of the worst cartoons ever. Poorly-written, poorly-animated crap, without one iota of the inspiration of Warner Brothers in its heyday. Nah, I won't lose any sleep over this film hitting an iceberg.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Zombie Vig
Scooby Doo will suck. Just imagine what Raja Gosneell might have done with Fantastic Four judging by the type of people he considers in his movie. SCOOBY DOO IS GONNA BE A DOO?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:16 a.m. CST
This movie will be crap. Freddie Prinze Jr. is the most vacant actor in recent history. Moron. Idiot. BBBBBBBAAAAADDDD! Matthew Lillard is only marginally less vomit-inducing. WHY!?! I have no interest in this movie now. I HATE (X3) PRINZE!!!!! Lorenzo, WAKE UP. You've made a couple of good choices on the two Batman movies you have in development, why screw up this potential franchise before it has a chance to bloom?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:18 a.m. CST
by Saint of Killers
I am confused. Since when is Harry a journalist. I was under the impression that this website was a forum for his and others opinions on the world of Movies. All of you who think he is being one sided or think he is a being rude, don't just insult him, attack him. Come up with reasoning or logic to support why you think Harry is wrong. It is his opinion, just like you have the opinion that Scooby Doo will be the greatest film ever, or that Harry is a blowhard. There is essentially nothing different between this web page and the editorial page in your paper, except for subject matter. I guess what i am saying is that unless you have something valid to say, shut up. Otherwise you just make yourself look stupid.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:20 a.m. CST
I mean it. He looks like he's got down-syndrom (however the hell you spell it, I don't care. He looks like he has it!). Hell, I hate to say it, but Tom Green WOULD make a better Shaggy. . . and I HATE that bastard!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:28 a.m. CST
and here's my example. I didn't see anything about wing commander until I sat down in the theatre, I loved that credit sequence, but after that, when those booys came on the the screen, well that was about it. bah at warners if they allow Scooby to be destroyed. bah big time, all those things moses said would be about right. re: egypt.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:30 a.m. CST
Wow. A first. A non-organized rant had more intelligence in it than two (I'd imagine) well thought out reviews. Man. I mean, Harry, I absolutely love what you offer the public with this site man. I visit it probably 50 times a day checking for updates and I still find it the best place for movie news and rumors on the web, hands down. But your reviews....man. Maybe it's just because I don't agree with your taste in movies, but giving positive reviews to Sixth Day and Blair Witch 2? Now granted, I haven't seen Sixth Day yet (though it is shaping up to be a complete bomb) but Blair Witch 2? Dang. I dunno.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:31 a.m. CST
by pogo on my own
I am actually happy they cast those 2 twits in the movie. Harry's rant is twice as funny as the movie would have been other wise. Nice to see some anger and spite on AICN again
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:34 a.m. CST
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Way to unleash a tidal wave of venom, Harry! You rule, you witty judgemental sonofadork, you. ----- So WB wants to turn the ultimate stoner cartoon into a crap-laced, corporate, witless behemoth of Hype? We can't win them all. (and we've won many lately) ---I hate those hackjob pin-up boys as much as any other intelligent movie fan, but (dare I say it) ....LILLARD WAS HALFWAY DECENT IN S.L.C. PUNK. It's his only good movie and he doesn't deserve any more. ---Prinze is just no good. He got chumped on playing Peter Parker and he should get chumped on this one too. Let them stick to their forgettable lowest-common-denominator teen romances 'til they end up wherever Corey Haim is. ZOINKS!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:47 a.m. CST
by Judge Mental
Way to unleash a tidal wave of venom, Harry! You rule, you witty judgemental sonofadork, you. ----- So WB wants to turn the ultimate stoner cartoon into a crap-laced, corporate, witless behemoth of Hype? We can't win them all. (and we've won many lately) ---I hate those hackjob pin-up boys as much as any other intelligent movie fan, but (dare I say it) ....LILLARD WAS HALFWAY DECENT IN S.L.C. PUNK. It's his only good movie and he doesn't deserve any more. ---Prinze is just no good. He got chumped on playing Peter Parker and he should get chumped on this one too. Let them stick to their forgettable lowest-common-denominator teen romances 'til they end up wherever Corey Haim is. ZOINKS!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:50 a.m. CST
by Studio Snitch
Look on the bright side Harry, the fucknuts who ruined this franchise will never have the chance to poison an audience again once Scooby flops and they're exiled to the scenic world of porn or corporate video. I mean, how the fuck do you ruin Scooby-Doo? And this is the same studio that destroyed Batman!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:53 a.m. CST
"Scooby Doo Where Are You?" is one of the greatest cartoons ever, and this is a slap in the face of everything that is good. Are they gonna 'modernize' it too? It damn well better be set in 1969-1970, and not change one single thing on the original character designs.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:56 a.m. CST
I agree with Harry. Making the movie with these two cast as Shaggy and Fred will result in a complete waste of time, and will taint and follow the Scooby franchise like a clinger-on from Scooby's daily walk for years to come. It's like the execs sat around and said to each other, 'Hey the guy in the cartoon is named Fred, and this Freddie Prinze Jr. guy is named Fred. It'll be great!'. There is no other explantion. Freddie Prinze Jr. looks nothing like Fred. The only thing they have in common is that they are both one dimensional. The filmmakers will end up resorting to some shitty makeup and costume (ala Flintsones) to try to sell him as this character. Why bother? Just get someone who looks like Fred. Christina Ricci as Velma. Please! Matthew Lillard as Shaggy. Another guy who doesn't fit the character without a lot of effort and suspension of disbelief. That guy from the Julia Roberts/Hugh Grant movie (Rhys Ifans) would be perfect. I have a bad feeling about this movie if their gonna make casting choices like this. Here comes another steamin' pile of shit down the runway.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:57 a.m. CST
I agree. Not to kiss the webmaster's ass (quite a large one might I add), but because he makes sense. When was the last time Freddie Prinze, Jr. took on the challenge of a really dramatic role and established himself as a real talent. You wanna know when? NEVER! Not to say that Fred from the Scooby gang has to be dramatic and serious, but Freddie Prinze, Jr. just doesn't pull of the comedic routine either. His comedies are a display of minimal acting talent and ridiculous blank stares that make 14 year old girls go ga-ga! He is not an actor. There are some pretty boys out there who break out from the Hollywood 'Teen-Beat' magazine pin-up roles and actually prove themselves. About six years ago, I couldn't stand Brad Pitt. Then he did Legends of the Fall. Then he did Seven. Then he did Fight Club. Kudos. Look at Matt Damon! Good Will Hunting, Dogma, The Talented Mr. Ripley... need I say more? A real actor can be convincing in any role you put them in. Some of them are still trying (*cough*..Keanu..*cough*). If dear old Freddie is reading this and bawling his little eyes out... listen up! Stop crying. Just look at the pile of shitty scripts that are cluttering atop your desk and burn them all. Then call up your agent and demand he connect you with the right people. Impress the world! Prove us wrong! Do something that will have us thinking twice about your thespian skills. I'm not here to bash... I'm here to help. As for WB, Matt Lillard is not Shaggy. He's goofy in that over-eccentric, "too much reefer in the brownie mix" kind of way. Shaggy is a mellow, nervous stoner type. I can't picture Matthew Lillard in this role. If you guys had any brains, you'd cast Christina Ricci as Velma, Nikki Cox as Daphne (though I like Sarah Michelle Gellar), Steve Zahn as Shaggy (loved the Owen Wilson idea!) and Matt Damon as Fred! There is still hope!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:59 a.m. CST
Seriously, I was in this whole "man, I hate matthew liliard" mode, and you had to go and ruin it by bringing up SLC PUNK. I forgot all about his performance in that movie. Shit. He was good in that. Must be a fluke. Or maybe it wasn't matthew liliard in that movie, but a clone who could actually act. Anyway, notice I'm writing the bastard's name in lower case? Because he doesn't deserve capitals.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:01 a.m. CST
Remember 'Suburbia' and 'Out of Sight'? This guy is perfect!
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:02 a.m. CST
Go make your movie, guys. Have fun, I wish you the best. Sincerely. May millions of kids around the world enjoy the result$$$ of your efforts a year from now, with even more dividends piling in from curiously nostalgic Gen X'ers. Perhaps Raja will even deliver a sequel-able franchise. In the meantime, please ignore the AICN whining of us fanboys. Perhaps in the past we've lamented some incidents of "out-of-touch" Hollywood studio suits ignoring fans and thus ruining pop-genre tentpole projects (Batman IV, Phantom Menace, Inspector Gadget, Godzilla)...... But let's get real here: SCOOBY-DOO is not a sacred cow of any REAL sort... it's a pure-fun Hanna-Barbera afternoon UHF concept. I grew up watching this show, and love it still. Scooby-Doo and the gang's comically spooky misadventures are enjoyable entertainment, but they're NOT the sort of grandly mythological epic tales that spawn Star Wars-like fanaticism to a meticulous story saga. We're talking about an easily-frightened anthropomorphic mutt prone to eating too-large sandwiches and taking bribes while not fleeing from phoney monsters with his hippy gang of pals in their tacky shag-rug-era van. It's always been pure camp, and marvelously successful at it. There are no great Scooby novels on any English lit professor's "must read" list, nor Broadway plays adding an air of pretentious "classy culture" to these proceedings. Handing this live-action movie version of Scooby Doo over into the hands of Raja and some merely "okay" scriptwriters, and YES, a cast of Matthew Lillard, FP Jr, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Christina Ricci, and a CGI Scooby, IS NOT THE END OF THE FANBOY WORLD, no matter how much Harry is rabidly overreacting and foaming from every orifice. His desperation is being wasted here. So please ignore all of us. After all, Matthew Lillard and Freddie Prinze Jr. have proven themselves beyond any doubts that WB might be worrying over: they already have a natural chemistry together (they're real-life buddies) and have already co-starred in two movies. And despite the AICN crowd's venom towards "SHE'S ALL THAT," "SHE'S ALL THAT" ****MADE MONEY****... LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of money. Casting those sorts of actors for Scooby Doo, makes sense in the modern marketplace. There are a LOT of kids who enjoyed "She's All That" (before FP Jr's recent disastrous strip-mining of that genre) who will go see this live-action Scooby movie, and they will enjoy it no matter how much Harry protests their sanity/taste, and they will even enjoy Matthew Lillard as Shaggy, and FP Jr as Fred. So considering what Turner, Roven, Atlas, and WB have to work with here, I think they're choosing their approach decently, with some logical marketplace deductions shaping their plan, and I for one won't mind at all if this movie succeeds. On the other hand, I fully admit that I despise what Brian Levant has been up to (i.e. Flintstones Viva Rock Vegas) and I hope that that P.O.S. is NOT a precedent for the aim that Raja's applying to Scooby. As for potential AICN wrath against this post, I am not a corporate whore or tasteless moron. My past posts have displayed a rather consistent balance of desiring quality craftsmanship amidst a world that is demanding evermore commercially appealing entertainment... so that mainstream multiplex-goers (who AICNers seem to hate) will enjoy their type of WalMart "art" in their tacky venue of choice, while the rest of us snobs get our rocks off watching "Pi," "Gattaca," and "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" in THX on the largest, most historically-significant screens around. The world is not as doomed by this Lillard-as-Shaggy notion as Harry seems to let on, just as the recent election ruckus has not brought this country to its knees.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:06 a.m. CST
I wanna hear Christina Ricci say "Jeenkies" when she finds the first 'clue' / I wanna see Sarah Michelle Geller with red hair and in that purple dress / I wanna see Freddie Prinze Jr. rotting in the cold, cold ground. Oh and Matthew Lillard can go to HELL too.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:08 a.m. CST
The person above who said today's kids don't care about Scooby Doo is WAY off. As others have mentioned here before, the reruns are CONSTANTLY on the Cartoon Network. And guess what? Kids LOVE the show. I am a teachers assistant at an elementary school, and I have other friends who teach at other schools, and all of us are witness to the fact that these kids love Scooby Doo. They buy the toys, wear the shirts, and have as little concept of it being an "old" show as I did that the Looney Toons I loved as a child were already decades old. The kids will go see this movie, and help it hit $100 million. Rocky and Bullwinkle, they had no concept of. Scooby Doo they are well versed in.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:09 a.m. CST
by Cruel Shoes
Whenever I go off on how much I hate Matthew Lillard, I have to tell them who he is, and then they ask why I care. He is more annoying than a 100 Adam Sandlers...okay 10 Adam Sandlers. I hate Matthew Lillard from movie I haven't seen him in. Right now I'm getting really annoyed at his performance in a movie I haven't even heard of. He's a terrible terrible terrible actor and his directors never seem to pick it up. WHO THE FUCK ACTS LIKE THAT! Can we start a Matt Lillard Depreciation Society? Because I will cast the first boot into his smarmy face. The only saving grace...he's a failure. Yay!
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:11 a.m. CST
by Cruel Shoes
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:11 a.m. CST
Anybody remeber the direct-to-video film 'Money Kings'. It was about drug dealing and Irish gangsters if I'm not mistaken. Freddie Prinze, jr. was in that film. It was the first and only time that he felt like more than a cardboard cut out character. He had menace and he pulled it off quite well. That's what I'm talking about. If the guy expects us to take him seriously, he needs to dirty himself up a bit. Like Brad Pitt getting beaten into a bloody pulp in Fight Club. Or Leonardo DiCaprio bawling like a baby outside of his mother's apartment, begging for drug money in 'Basketball Diaries'.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:11 a.m. CST
I tell you who would be cool as Shaggy or who would just be cool to put in a move ... BECK!! Beck would make a cool Shaggy, he can act too I bet. BECK FOR SHAGGY!! Or Dustin Diamond from saved by the bell, remember the screen tests with him dressed as Shaggy?
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:16 a.m. CST
For Christ sake. Why waste so much time hating this film! It's Scooby Doo!!! Live action!!! IT WAS ALREADY DESTINED TO SUCK. RELAX. Cartoon ruled..when I was 5.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:16 a.m. CST
by The Founder
Such a talented young actress,and she's forced to star in what may be the biggest TURKRY ever!I bet she wished that she had found out who the other cast members are before she jumped on board the Titanic.I've always loved the Scooby cartoons and I can accept Sarah M Geller as Daphanie even though she's not my pick for the role, and GOD help me I'll even take Matt Lillard as Shaggy( i'm sorry guys but i think he's funny and hopfully can pull off a good Shaggy)but god no not Freddie as Fred...god he must be desprete for anything close to a superhero part.What the hell?...did Warners hire Sarah first and she used what little pull she has at the WB to get her boyfriend and his best friend cast? It makes you wonder doesn't it.All I can say is maybe it'll come out good? What in the world is Warners thinking? My God they just shell out money for crap Who in the hell Greenlit this?Everytime I hear that Warners is throwing money in another pit It makes me feel sorry for Bryan Singer and his budget problems he had with Fox when over at Warners he could have went hog wild with the x-men movie.First Battlefield Earth and now Red Planet...need I go on. Warners if you're reading this its not to late to stop this madness and if you continue please for the love of god cast James Van Der Beek as Fred...jeez you guys already own him...my god its like having an allstar line up and the idiot manager goes outside the team thinking he can get a better player.Will they ever learn.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:18 a.m. CST
by vroom socko
Scooby Do simply CANNOT be done as Live-Action and be of any quality. Not now. Mattew FUCKING Lillard. What next? Are they gonna have that antichrist of animation Scrappy Do in this monstrosity? How about that brat from that piece of steaming ferret diarrhea "13 Ghosts of Scooby Do?" Are the ghosts in the movie gonna turn out to be actual spectral manifestations? The villan just has to be some dimwit in a pull off mask. Freddie Prinze jr. as Fred. HA! Double fucking HA! This makes me want to projectile vomit. This makes me want to take a big steaming SHIT on Jack Warner's grave. God, almighty, must everything that comes out of WHORIN'WOOD be aimed at the lowest common denominator? Only when the screenplay for Issac Asimov's "I, Robot" as adapted by Harlan Ellison is produced and released will I have complete faith in American Mainstream Cinema.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:19 a.m. CST
So, Harry is a first generation Scooby fan. Well, that's a big surprise! Frankly, I can't believe that there ever was such a thing as a "first generation" Scooby fan. This has always been one of the worst (if not THE worst) cartoons ever made. Every episode is just the same old thing-some monster is stalking the gang, only to be revealed to be some bitter old guy that "would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those kids!". Big deal! Personally, I feel sorry for anyone that likes this sorry POS. In fact, any guy that likes Scooby Doo probably gets a boner from looking at Betty Rubble. Warner Brothers deserves to have a bomb with this. Not only is it stupid to make this film in the first place (no matter who is cast in it), but they obviously haven't learned from the mistakes committed by Universal Studios this past year. The two live-action cartoons they released (The Flintstones in VIVA ROCK VEGAS and The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle) both bombed. Now, Warners thinks they can "DOO" better with this? Gimmie a break! The audience is sick and tired of live-action cartoons. If this does make it to the screen, it will bomb-just as it deserves to do. As for Harry, he (and others like him) should just sit in front of the tv and watch the Cartoon Network forever. In fact, I hear that they are close to just changing it's name to "The Scooby Network" since that's the only damn thing they ever show!
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:21 a.m. CST
by Bari Umenema
Trust Lorenzo to CHOOSE POORLY. As for Freddi Prinze, boy Harry you even outdid me when I basically blew his fucking head off with a cyber-shotgun-flame this past summer when the rumor du jour was that Raimi was seriously thinking about casting Freddi as Peter Parker. Yikes that board got really nasty but nothing like your most excellent diatribe above. Wow! It was totaly awesome! I am going to bookmark this board and saveit for posterity. Way to go Knowles.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:25 a.m. CST
And I do think Harry is pissed. Along with every other fan of this decent show. They should fire everyone working @ the WB and re-staff it. DAMN! They are fucking idiots.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:33 a.m. CST
Now I have to read the rest...
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:38 a.m. CST
You're all flipping out over nothing. I am no big fan of either of these actors, buuuutttt (don't castrate me here) these guys are fucking perfect for the roles. Biases aside. Admit it. You're all envious that Freddy Prinze Jr. is better looking than you. And Matthew Lillard is funnier than Harry's review of Wild Wild West. Harry, sorry guy, the fact that they didn't pick Bruce Campbell for the role of Shaggy is no reason to bust a vein.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:43 a.m. CST
and a bit turned on?
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:45 a.m. CST
Dvd region code reinforcement, Batman Beyond and now this. Nice way to ruin what little franchises you have left WB ! now make another rubbish Superman film Interfer with Batman year one, and hey ! make a friends movie ! Go on you know you want to. Then wonder why all your merchandising and home video sales have dried up and you've gone through countless CEO'S in 5 years. Normal people are beginning to hate Warner Brothers and with good reason. Talk to the people who pay your wages and fund your souless anemic corperation please. People care about these things, they are part of thier culture and general welfare and happiness. What would happen if someone decided to re make Psycho with Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche? Oops, hey at least The Cell will be a cult film one day ! (Finds nearest cliff and jumps off)
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:05 a.m. CST
I remember the first time time I saw those to abominations of so called acting talent(lillard and prinze jr.)I sat back in shock that someone allowed these two to insult viewers with their so called acting. I can not bring myself to belief such news. I grew up with Scooby and Gadget. I can not see them do to scoopy what they did to Inspector Gadget. Is there so sort of petition we can get to warner bores to prevent them from turning this film in to a schumacer(my term for bad film). This is simply unbelievable.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:23 a.m. CST
...Grow up, man.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:31 a.m. CST
This is the first time I have ever responded to the talk back section. I was one to read what everyone else had to say, laugh and nod my head. So why have I chosen now to finally post a comment....BECAUSE I CAN'T MORE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY AGREE WITH WHAT HARRY SAID!!!! I am tired of studio executives destroying TV shows and old movies that we loved as kids. My God have mercy on the souls of all those involved in the production of this movie....because I or millions others have mercy on them....
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:41 a.m. CST
Need I say more?
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:13 a.m. CST
by ol' painless
Hell, I grew up on the other side of the world, a snot nosed little bastard in NZ with skidmarks in my undies, watching Scooby Doo, eating chocolate chip cookies just like Harry. Funny thing, these globally shared moments . . . I feel the PRINZE JR will mutilate this movie beyond all recognition. It's not just a cartoon, man, it's a culural landmark. You're screwing with out LIVES here, American Capitalist Hollywood Running Dogs!! You'll be first against the wall for casting the PRINZE JR!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:13 a.m. CST
After a pleasant walk into the office this morning I proceeded to check the daily goings on at Ain't it Cool News - a regular pitstop of mine. Curious as to the amusing Warner remark, I clicked to find the most disturbing - yet not altogether surprising - news about the beloved childhood memory that was Scooby Doo. I cannot believe the spawn of shiteness Matt "I'm only kidding, I'm not really an actor" Lillard, Freddie "he must be drugging Sarah Michelle Gellar" Prinze Jr and that annoying loud mouth Rosie O "hate me I love it" Donnell. Congratulations Warner, your incredibly audience unfriendly decisions have taken your reputation to new heights of hatred. On a personal note, if their was a god, Gellar would use Mr Pointy and stab that twat right between his eyes! I thank you.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:13 a.m. CST
I always thought Jason Lee would be a good Shaggy!
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:46 a.m. CST
by Zombie Vig
Gosnell and Warner should really, REALLY think about this. Not another Prinze Jr/Lillard team up combo. We had enough of them and Lillard retarded acting. On a off-topic note, if Gosnell had casted the Fantastic Four, i think it's gonna be Freddie Prinze Jr as Mr Fantastic(crap), Sarah Michelle Gellar as Invisible Girl, Matthew Lilard as Human Torch(retard,RETARD!!) and CGI for The Thing. Let's start diverting our attention to other 'based on the ...' properties getting developed as we ignore 'The Doo'movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:54 a.m. CST
Ok so in scream he was a tad crap. But in dead mans curve he was goodish and in Loves Laboured Lost he was excellent would kenneth branagh the biggest shakespeare snob reallly put him in a film if he wasnt ok?
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:55 a.m. CST
Just kidding bud... I can tell that cartoon is some kind of religion to you harry. anyway far as I can tell there is nothing at all wrong with that casting. the problem is hiring the big momma fella to direct. whether or not the guy is good with dogs doesn't matter, his track record is clear that you don't ever want to see any movie he ever makes again if you know what's best for you. oh well, at least it's only scooby doo. only kidding. seriously though. thanks harry. it's only scooby doo though. thanks.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:56 a.m. CST
cum dancing, cum on eileen, huge black cocks with pearly white cum. Would a kevin smith script not save this movie from the oblivion to which it so blatantly heads. someone tell me who the fuck matt lillard is?!? not another teen-flick freddy clone!?! why not just put joshua jackson in while you're at it - they could all just fuck each other.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:02 a.m. CST
Great to see a well balanced reaction with some real insight. Maybe the lesson to be learned here is half-assed cartoon to film adaptations will not cease until the studios run out of guaranteed money making subject matter. Or until we stop going to see them, because we all will go regardless of who plays Shaggy. So as its our own fault, perhaps we should stop moaning.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:24 a.m. CST
being cast... I mean ..he didnt say anything about that part of the casting
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:34 a.m. CST
Man, somebody must've died when they saw He-man the movie. Beeing raised on a cartoon, OK. We all loved them as kids; Making the movie of a cartoon, well after the Flintstones and others, wouldn't it be arrogant to expect a great movie ? Scooby-doo is for kids, the movie will be made for kids. Any other expectations will be futile... Since when does Hollywood expect to please the fans ? Get real guys, simply making a movie from scooby-doo is bold, expecting it to be a good one, well..., the sixties are over so get down from your acid trips dudes...
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:38 a.m. CST
Freddie Prinz Jr as Shaggy and Buffy the Vampire Slayer as Scooby. Then Nick Nolte could take his rightful role as Fred. Say, do producers of Bad Films ever actually LISTEN to these (somewhat (and justifiably) hostile) suggestions?
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:42 a.m. CST
Now you know how it felt to be a Dredd fan when Danny "I'm a real fan, me" Cannon made a pigs arse of that. What I don't get is, we're their opening weekend when they adapt well known (and loved) source material, and consequently their word of mouth, surely as potent as a megabucks advertising drive. Ergo, make something true to the original and we'll bug everyone we know til they go see it. Make a piece of shit and call in the recievers.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:45 a.m. CST
by Pippin's Diamond
Sorry really, but I mean, it's Scooby Doo... does it really matter? The cartoon may be a beloved childhood memory to many of you, but the original thing is just too bad to deserve a decent adaptation. Remember the Ninja Turtles? Beloved childhood memory too, but that cartoon was based on a kick-ass indie comic. The TMNT deserved to be treated with at least a shred of dignity, and instead they just got screwed over by Michael Pressman (& Vanilla Ice!), and then by that hack Stuart Gillard, and then by the "new" cartoon (and most of the old ones too), and then by Image and then by Fox, "The Next Mutation" being a diabolic abortion of a show that was just too painful to watch. And worst of all, there the TMNT were pimped by one their own creators, Kevin Eastman, who should have NEVER been allowed to touch the franchise without Peter Laird's complete agreement (then maybe we'd still have a shot at at least a GOOD new TMNT comic, and the Turtles wouldn't be the franchise equivalent of an old whore). So relax, people. It's not like the WB is destroying Batman this time (they already did). I'll be very glad if this bombs, because that POS Scooby Doo 'toon doesn't deserve to be treated with more respect than Batman or even the TMNT. I say let Shoemonkey direct this flick. Nobody better to camp things up.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:09 a.m. CST
by Pippin's Diamond
Now I see you just don't want to be deemed "uncool" when talking about your Scooby fandom. Get over it, man, get over it. My previous rant? It just tells you I'm as big a fan of the TMNT as you're a fan of Scooby Doo (though I at least have City at War, Return to NY and Souls Withering to back me up on the Turtles' coolness ;). Trust me, the pain goes away (and I should know, I've survived Turtles train wreck after train wreck). And if you're strong enough, one day, in the post-Scooby Holocaust, you'll still be able to proudly declare "I am a Scooby fan" and not be afraid of the world. Harry, you are not the contents of your Scooby Pez dispenser. You are not your Scooby toys, your Scooby tapes or your Scooby collars...
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:14 a.m. CST
Its all about rebellion against the older generation, well the evil ones anyway. It's not just for kids either, the jokes are cool and there are subtle references to the teen culture of drugs and free love in the sixties. Pity it all went downhill over the years, resulting in this turd, the turdiest of turds.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:28 a.m. CST
by northern monkey
What is all the fuss about? Scooby Doo plumbed new depths of shallowness. It was a dull formulatic, paint-by-numbers black hole in the middle of a host of funny, original, inventive Saturday cartoons. If half man half toad Freddie Prinze Jr. kills it off then good, about bloody time.That is all
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:38 a.m. CST
Shit, I would pay to see Scooby f*ck a group of wet horny b**ches up the ass (a la doggy style). Also throw in some lezzo scenes between SMG and CR and I really think this movie has some potential. Oh yeah, cut those fucken guys out of the movie, nothing pisses me off more than seein some fucken guy that cannot act that doesnt have a set of tits having a strong presence in a movie.. What, think This is some perverted fu*ked up Idea that would be totally unsuccessful? Your Option, another fucked up TV Cartoon/70's television project that the world doesnt need, examples of such work, George of the Jungle, BradyBunch 1 and 2, Leave it to Beaver, Charlies Angels, Avengers, etc etc only exceptions to this rule are Hogans Heroes and Shaft. So please, before flaming, what would you rather see, if see at all (of course) OPtion 1 or 2. Actually I think I would be rather interested in Seeing SMG and CR participating in the act of Beastiality with Scooby, damn taht would be fine, Go Scooby, take her by the a**.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:38 a.m. CST
I agree that these two guys are poor choices for the roles in question, but calm down on Matthew Lillard, OK? "Love's Labours Lost" was far from being "magical" with or without him, and Alicia Silverstone was 100x worse. Have you seen "SLC Punk", an unjustly overlooked film in which Matthew Lillard was, dare I say, good?
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:48 a.m. CST
So what's your final take on Scooby-Doo, Harry? Are you optimistic, or...
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:10 a.m. CST
by Rob M
I sympathize completely with Harry on this one - I too am of the first run generation of Scooby, as seen here in the UK on Saturday morning pinched between mindless pop songs and souless kids answering questions on breakfast cereal tie-ins and playing with the latest Action Man (with gripping hands and eagle eyes!). These were good years when children's TV output actually contained elements of fun, wonder, mystery, and even chills and spills away from the all seeing eye of PC uber-watchdogs and puritan nuance flayers. Many people share a love of Scooby for it's level intelligence, never patronizing the kids, but showing that kids sometimes be brave detectives and problem solvers too - a message I fear will be sadly lost in this film, and in these times when kids are best exploited by mindless rubbish and half-baked productions 'pandering' to some clueless PC idiom. (Idiotic Ideology(TM).) As for Freddie Jnr... give him the dog suit - he'd make a passable Scooby maybe!
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:12 a.m. CST
Who did you THINK they were going to get to write/direct a movie based on a cartoon? David Mamet? The reason you don't get A-list talent on films like this is because the A-list talent has better things to do. Bad directors need to work too, and I'd rather see them hack away at fluff like Scooby Doo than see them ruin something that could actually have been good.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:18 a.m. CST
Alright, Freddie Prinze is a lousy choice for Freddy, but the rest of the cast, INCLUDING Matthew Lillard is right on the mark as far as I'm concerned. Lillard is a "mannequin"? Doubtful. Look at his performance in Scream; he's perfectly animated enough to pull off the cowardly Shaggy. That's all folks; see ya in the funny papers.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:34 a.m. CST
Scooby Doo is kinda lame anyway..along with 99.9 % of Hanna Barbara's total output. How many times did they re-hash the same basic concept over and over and over ?? Let's see...let's take the Scooby Doo concept ( group of teens & a funny animal solving mysteries ) and change the dog to a shark ( JabberJaws )or a car ( Speed Buggy )? There were a couple of others I can't think of right now, but Hanna Barbara did the same thing with the Flintstones concept: Jetsons, Roman Holidays, etc. Sure, I have fond memories of Scooby Doo cartoons as a kid, but as a kid I remember the Star Wars Holiday Special being super kick ass too !! Hanna Barbara cartoon characters don't move much ( hence a new word to the english language: Hanna-Barbaric ), so I think the casting of these shit actors is keeping true to the original cartoon series ! Formula: Suckie cartoon = Suckie movie !! Stop turning old cartoons and TV Shows into feature films !
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:36 a.m. CST
While you spent your youth hunting down ghosts,some of us were using our rocket belts to bazooka Pteranadons and destroy Dr.Zin's Spy Eye's; and a "Mystery Van" just doesn't rate once you've been flying in the Quest Dragonfly. But do we get a live action movie? N-o-o-o-o....
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:40 a.m. CST
I forget - was Transformers on Saturday morning? If so then there's no contest. Let's not forget the Mighty Orbots or Voltron either.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:41 a.m. CST
by Killer Kane
With that crap-meister James Gunn penning this turd, we were destined to fail. I have worked with Gunn and his talentless brother Sean, and can tell you that there is nobody more bereft of creativity working in showbiz. This is a guy who hinges everything on doo-doo jokes and cheap sex references. Trailer-trash humor at its finest. That would be fine if the guy could construct a joke, but he has the comedic timing of a retarded seven year old. Once I heard Gunn was on board, I heard the sound of a toilet flushing. How the hell this guy is writing major feature films is a mystery.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:48 a.m. CST
Scooby Doo hasn't been shit since Screppy Doo hit the scene. Let it go, man. Let it go...
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:53 a.m. CST
I just hope EP II has Scrappy in it.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:10 a.m. CST
Maybe they should bring in Mini Me from Austin Powers 2 to be scrappy doo!
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:11 a.m. CST
HARRY, thank you. Thank you for saying what is on all our minds. I agree with you and I believe that you vocalizing yourself strongly against this project will hopefully have an effect. To all the others who are mocking you, FUCK OFF. What the fuck is your problem? HE'S RIGHT! Who the fuck are you people to say 'enough with the mountain dew' and 'get a girlfriend' shit? Fuck you guys.. Harry is right and you know it! -dash101 out.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:12 a.m. CST
by Ian T
Why is no-one making BATTLE OF THE PLANETS? I can't believe this one's been overlooked. ...by the way Harry, I agree, Warners are poison. Just check the history.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:13 a.m. CST
One question: Have you seen it? Oh, wait, it's not out yet, and yet you're passing judgement. What's wrong with you? This is why critics get a bad name (all right, so critics deserve a bad name, but that's besides the point). The point is that Matthew Lillard might not actually be bad at Shaggy. I've seen him a couple of times in a couple of movies, and while I've never sat there and said 'Now, this guy, this guy's a damned fine actor', he's decent, and better than some others out there (Matter of fact, I want to cast Matthew Lillard in the movie adaptation of my novel, but that's also besides the point). Get over yourself, Harry, and stop with the fucking rants. This is almost as bad as your utter infatuation with Cameron Diaz's Magical Swirling Ass. And you know, Freddie Prinze I don't see as Fred, but I think Rosie O'Donnell as Betty was pretty much inspired. I'm not at all a fan of Rosie O', but it was still a decent bit of casting, every bit as good as Anna Paquin as Rogue.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:16 a.m. CST
Matt Lillard if a funny actor and can be a good Shaggy. Freddy Prince Jr he will do well too. I can't wait.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:17 a.m. CST
to those who don't think hanna barbera puts out good cartoons, just check out Cow and Chicken on the cartoon network. best cartoon of its kind since Ren and Stimpy.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:26 a.m. CST
by George McFly
...getting on Harry's ass. He's got a perfect forum AND the right to rant his ass off, and I for one completely and utterly agree with him. As a child o' the 80's who grew up with Scooby and the gang as part of my regular cartoon-watching repertoire, I can only drop my head and shake it in disbelief at these casting possibilities. Geez, maybe the reason they are going for the likes of Prinze and Lillard is the fact that the script truly *is* a piece of shit, and no quality A-list people would come anywhere near it. It does amaze me how out of touch the people who work right there in the industry actually are. Sad. McFly<--
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST
I don't see how you can compare Scooby Doo, a cartoon with mediocre animation (and that's being generous), generic storylines that always seemed to be the EXACT SAME STORY on every episode with some minor tweaking, and "humor" (I have to use the term loosely) that was so lame even five years olds kind of moan at the jokes. I've never really respected a cartoon that used a laugh track either. Lord of the Rings, however, was a novel written by a true genious. It was a carefully crafted tale of adventure written by a man who created an entire world through his love of linguistics. This man created a unique language, elvish, and then created the world for this language to exist. He had histories for everything, legends, myths, and a real sense of time. No matter what character you run across in the books, you know there is something more to them, something behind the name. In Scooby Doo, you are given a handfull of one dimensional characters who are nothing more than what they appear to be. So let's sum up. The shows were poorly animaged (can Daphne ever be anything BUT crosseyed?), poorly written (let's play "How many masks will the villain wear today?), completely lacking in effective humor, and had no depth to them at all. Some might say, "It's a kid's show!" Sure, fine. But there still could be more depth. I think Jim Henson's "Muppets" were amazing. You felt each character had a real personality, real emotions, and even the cornball humor in that seemed to go over well, because the characters had heart. I didn't even mind the laugh track. Scream all you like about the casting, Harry, but it's not ruining a masterpiece. It's casting mediocre actors for a mediocre live action version of a mediocre cartoon (thought I might as well be generous all the way through). Mack da Knife
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:36 a.m. CST
What kind of novel could be written by someone who says "that's also besides the point"?
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:41 a.m. CST
by Lance Rock
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:51 a.m. CST
Harry, the cheese has slide off your cracker. Now I agree that the casting isn't The greatest but it isn't like Scooby Doo is all that. The only thing good about the show was the damn song on the original. Beside, the the Scooby Doo movie tanks the brand, maybe cartoon network will stop showing it 10 times a day. That would be a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I liked Scooby Doo as a kid but I'm not a kid anymore. BTW as someone else mentioned, Battle of the Planets ruled. That in Star Blazers are way high on my wish list of cartoons to movies.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:06 a.m. CST
by Killer Kane
The order of posts is screwed up, so there is a chance my initial message will go unheard. That cannot be allowed. JAMES GUNN CANNOT WRITE HIS NAME MUCH LESS A FEATURE FILM SCRIPT!!! He and his TALENTLESS brother Sean should be baked in an excrement flambe and thrown to the wolves. HE SUCKS! Lillard and Prinze are panty-sniffers, to be sure, but GUNN is the reason that Scooby will suck diarrhea-laden HORSE ASS!
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:08 a.m. CST
Uh, dude, "Scooby Doo" sucks - always has, always will. Just because it came from our childhood doesn't mean it is a classic. Seen "The Facts of Life" lately? Geez. Of course, if Warners gets the Harlem Globetrotters to "guest star," all will be right in the world.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:10 a.m. CST
This studio is nothing if not consistent. The script stinks, Raja Gosnell is talentless (yes, I'm prepared to judge after three perfectly dreadful films,) and Prinze, Jr. is the worst actor of his generation. Even if career-best work is turned in by all involved, I still can't see this topping, say, BARB WIRE or THE PUNISHER. It should, however, be a spectacular train wreck!
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:11 a.m. CST
by Da JoKeRs KiD
Basically guys , i think its a shame its a damn shame ... i mean after all who are these movies made for ? FANS .... i dont give a FIG about your "artistic interpertation" BS , these are ALL READY ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS with their own little wolrd to go along with them ... any deivation from that is going to piss people off ... and you know what you guys ... they know that ...basically its a very simple fact... Hollywood people are ASSHOLES ...END OF STORY ...and they are going to do what ever in the hell they want to they are going to make what ever kind of peice of crap they want to .. and they dont give a shit about what we think ... cause you know why .... cause they have the MONEY and THEY are paying for it ... END OF STORY AND NOTHING WE CAN SAY OR DO IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT FACT... case in point ... BATMAN AND ROBIN ... (i wont even get into that here )but you guys cant tell me you dont realize that they just love to piss us off ... they make fun of us .. taunt us as "geeks with nothing better to do " ... why would they make provisions for us ? GOD FORBID they would EVER stay true to something ... if it aint broke ... dont fix it ... but unfortunately thats something that Hollywood dosent understand ... if you dont live there or work in this business then you have no way of knowing that Hollywood people have a different perception of reality then regular people do and thats what causes them to make such collossal blunders in judgment , tase , and entertainment value...they have this altered perception about what the rest of the wolrd is like, if i felt like it i could cite page after page after page of examples , but i wont ...it should be obvious if you think about it for even half a second ....why dont they just let the people that created these characters and storys write the scripts or at least the basic story lines for their movie versions ??? who better to do that the then folks that created them in the first place ??? they think that by reading NUMBERS or GROSSES that they know what fans want to see but the reality of the situation is that they have no clue because they dont live in the "real world" ...Hollywood is like the land of OZ ... it is its own little world , sure people you recogonize from the "real world "might pop up every now and then ...and it may be a cool place to visit but when it boils down too it ... nothing from HERE is of any concequence THERE ..( and if you think otherwise then i think you are missing your calling as a studio exc.)
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:14 a.m. CST
by B A Fett
and grow-up while at it.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:23 a.m. CST
Damn Harry! I go away for a few months, finally come back and find you totally losing your mind! Now personally I think the Scooby cartoons are enjoyable, but nothing to get so freaked out about. Besides, IMNSHO, this is a property that, if made into a film, would be better served to stay in animation. I mean, we all saw what an uproar the idea of a CG scooby caused, and Yakko and Wakko (read: Warner Brothers) can't even do the dog right, then no-ruckin'-way they'll be able to get the rest of the gang down. That's all (until the next post on Spider-Man or X-Men 2 comes along). Laters!
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:30 a.m. CST
The fact that you're getting so emotional over a stupid cartoon being turned into a stupid movie, as if there's a right way and a wrong way to do it, makes me wonder about your sanity. The fact is, no one's going to be talking about what a great movie "Scooby Doo" was 20 years from now, no matter how good a movie it is. History will remember the cartoon series, for a while. And let's face it, it was a cartoon that never got above a certain level of quality, anyway. I enjoyed it as a kid, mostly because of Shaggy and Scooby's antics, but come on. This is kid stuff. It may have some ironic use today, like the Brady Bunch, but let's move on. Harry, you act as if your life hinges on this movie. It's funny, and pathetic at the same time.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:36 a.m. CST
Getting worked up over Scooby-fucking-Doo is like getting worked up over Charmin trying to introduce a new Mr. Whipple. The only redeeming value the old cartoon had was that it debunked the ghosts and ghouls at the end. In all other areas, the show stunk like grandma's bathroom. Idiotic "jokes" and a laugh track. Bah. And shitty cartoons make for shitty live-action remakes.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:38 a.m. CST
by Jack Burton
I am astonished that you actually thought Scooby Doo would be a good movie. Why Hollywood feels the need to take cartoons and turn them into live-action movies is beyond me. A CGI Scooby will suck. Period. If you wanna make a Scooby-Doo movie (why would you anyway?) at least make a cartoon. A cool, action filled, updated, harder edged cartoon. Guys, just because you liked the cartoon doens't mean that you are obligated to see the movie. I liked the Flintstones, but I have no desire to see Viva Rock Vegas. Same with 102 Dalmatians, that looks absolutely terrible. The first movies in those series were watchable, but that's it. Give up on trying to save Hollywood from making these terrible bombs and concentrate on supporting the "good" movies. The ones that deserve support. The ones with original ideas. I propose no more news on AICN regarding Scooby Doo until the 1st test screening. Let it die kids.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:38 a.m. CST
Harry I love your site but lately you've been way out of line. A-BOOK OF SHADOWS sucked sucked sucked. It was worse than Inspector Gadget. B-Matthew Hilliard isn't nearly in the same crap league as Freddie Jr. SCREAM? He was great in SCREAM. He was also pretty good in SLC PUNK. GEt a grip dude. This movie is gonna suck and there is nothing you can do about it. Me? I'll stay home and watch something good on DVD.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:39 a.m. CST
Right on!!! We can't let them get away with this!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:49 a.m. CST
sorry harry your opinion stinks on this one. i know youve seen it but youre wrong, SLC PUNK my friends that all i gotta say. also this film could not possibly pass the film i at the damn dollar theatre last night. THE REPLACEMENTS is the the worst piece of shit i have seen in a long time. so bad it made me stutter. i want my fucking dollar back.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:50 a.m. CST
by Mr. Sartre
Freddie Prince Jr.... You know, I don't have much against Matthew Lillard because I haven't seen hims in anything, but Freddie Prince Jr. is a talentless, emotionless block of wood. Still, the girls seem to like him, eh? That says something about our society; something ever so wrong about how we are on the decline. Ah well. Here's the crew for Scooby-Doo I cooked up to turn the film into something heady and odd. Script by David Mamet or Tom Stoppard. Directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky. Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman as Fred, Jared Leto as Shaggy, Warrwick Davis as Shaggy, Thora Birch as Velma, and... hmmm... who's a good red head? Hell. Dye Jennifer Connely's hair red, fer christ's sakes or something. Anyways, bad joke. Take care, all
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:50 a.m. CST
Scooby Doo was a rarity. We need the voice of skepticism to be better represented in entertainment. Sure, we get 20/20 telling you to be skeptical of air conditioning repairmen, but I never hear anyone saying we should be skeptical of supernatural claims except for the rare James Randi appearance (and he is usually quoted out of context to serve the producers' agenda). It is this environment that allows the Benny Hinns and Sylvia Brownes to flourish and rip you off. When is the last time you saw a film about ghosts or psychics in which they didn't prove to be genuine? I have to go back all the way to 1958 to find an example, and even that was remade last year with "real" ghosts inserted.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:51 a.m. CST
Right on!!! We can't let them get away with this!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:52 a.m. CST
by Wee Willie
Dude, it's just a Scooby Doo movie. Not the film version of Catcher in the Rye! Who cares about the casting of what will prove to be, what was destined to be, a ninety minute bunch of nonesense anyhow! Sure, in good hands this could be a funny, hip film much like Ghostbusters, but it's going to get chewed up by the hack machine. As for your attacks on Matt Lillard and Freddie Prinze Jr., ease up, man. here but for the grace of God we all go, man. They're a couple of young dudes trying to make it in the business. At least Matt Lillard has produced a film. Give these guys a chance. God, compare them to recent work by Harrison Ford (Random Hearts) or Kevin Costner (For Love of the Shame) and these two look like Brando and Dean. I exaggerate of course, but let's face it, good actors are hard to find. Satisfactory meat puppets are the order of the day. At least Lillard and Prinze, unlike most of the young actors today, can deliver a clear line of dialogue and don't bump into the furniture. Jeez, Harry, relax. Life's too short. BEsides, Scooby was entertainment for retards anyhow. (If I was in charge of the film version I'd make the gang a bunch of stoners. Because that's what I think was the subtext on the show. Over and above Shaggy's constant munchies, did you ever notice how the gang would pig out whenever they were shown eating? It could be Cheech and Chong meets Ghostbusters.) Anyhow, Harry I really think you shuld smoke a doob and chill, Bro.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:54 a.m. CST
a) Matthew Lillard is a damn fine actor. What teen comedies has he made? Don't matter, cuz SLC Punk was a fucking good movie, and he was great. And I saw him in some horrible Neil laBute plays called Bash in London and he was the only goddamn bright spot. A helluva guy, very funny. Who else is a good Shaggy? Ed Norton? Bruce Campbell? The ghost of Alec Guiness? b) Christ, why am I writing this? This article made me feel DIRTY...WORTHLESS...PATHETIC! Am I alone here? I feel USED. I feel EXPLOITED. I have to revise my whole damn philosophy now. It's NOT OUR STORIES, and it's NOT FOR US, so FUCK OFF.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:56 a.m. CST
Great cast/crew. I would greenlight that. But I think you'd run into trouble because Jodorowsky would insist on working without a script and casting himself as Shaggy. On a horse. With a cowboy hat.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:04 a.m. CST
Why are unknowns not being cast in this thing? The real star of the flick is gonna be the ILM created Scooby, and possibly some big names for the villains and suspects.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:04 a.m. CST
The obvious choice for Shaggy. Y'know...from CLueless and Road Trip?
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:04 a.m. CST
You little punk....don't you see what they are trying to do?? God....it's morons like you that get this kinda shit film made.. R.I.P toolbox :-)
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:06 a.m. CST
by Mr. Sartre
Ah, I can see it now. Scooby-Doo starring Jodorowsky, retitled "El Scoob-Doo". A tough gunsliger named El Scoob-Doo has a spiritual awakening after wandering into a haunted carnival. He then meets a midget woman (Velma) and tries to reunite the forsaken with the real world. Truly, the film will be less about ghosts but more about the transition from the god of destruction in the Old Testament to the God of love in the New Testament. It will also include many elements of eastern religions. See Fanciscan monks get spanked with cactuses! See mysticism and Freudian imagery galore! See Jodorowsky take seven years to make the movie with only one page of script! The one thing cool about a Jodorowsky Scooby-Doo would be the anticipation for the sequel, "Sons of Scoob-Doo." Hehehe... take care, man.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:11 a.m. CST
I mean, I'm about the same age as you, Harry, and Scooby Doo is an important part of my childhood. I liked it until I was about 6, when I figured out that EVERY EPISODE WAS THE FUCKIN SAME! Anyway, the practice of turning cartoons into live action movies is so utterly ass-backwards because cartoons are A SUPERIOR ART FORM TO LIVE ACTION. That's not my opinion, its a goddamned fact! Cartoons are better. Period.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:12 a.m. CST
Harry has a point. If you're going to remake something (what ever it is) you should try to be true to the original. If not then you lose credibility and fans.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:14 a.m. CST
Are they supposed to be funny? There's a reason I don't come around to this site as much as I once did.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:14 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:23 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:26 a.m. CST
Damn boy! You are PISSED!!!!! Fight for us Harry! You are our voice!
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:33 a.m. CST
by Bad Man
When I was five years old, I watched Scooby Doo for the same reasons Eskimos enjoy walrus blubber for dinner...it was the only thing on the menu. I honestly don't remember ever laughing at a single episode, enjoying a single gag, or ever being amused by the show in any way. Frankly, it sucked. I just watched it because it was the only thing on. Whether or not you're willing to admit it, I think most of you feel the same way. Scooby Doo is a worthless movie project, and I'm ashamed for all of us that we've wasted this much energy discussing its merits. Why? Who cares? It's Scooby Doo. How much real artistic or honest-to-god entertainment value do you think this concept has in the first place? How much love and wit and humor and craft do you think went into the design and excecution of the original show? How is a two hour movie about a talking dog and his stoner buddies going to make your lives better? Now, if David Fincher, or Peter Jackson, or, hell, even Jim Carrey was attached to the project, that'd be different, wouldn't it? We'd know to expect at least some marginal entertainment value from the movie, but any interest or value would be coming from the creative people involved, and not the concept itself. If you have horrible creative people attached to a horrible creative property, you don't start a crusade. You don't storm the castle waving torches and pitchforks. You turn away to something else that's worth your time and quietly let the bad project die. Don't go see it. Don't talk about it. Don't give it another second of your time. Let it go. Your time is more valuable than that (though obviously, not mine...) So...anyone want to talk about the new Final Fantasy flick?
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:33 a.m. CST
I completely agree with this tirade! A few years ago, my friend (who works at Cartoon Network - the almost-all-Scooby-all-the-time-network) and I came up with an idea to do a Scooby Movie while having dinner. Instead of thinking about script ideas, we decided to do casting cause it was more fun. Never EVER did we even THINK about casting those types of B-List people. Who are they marketing this film to, anyway? Wrong demographic, Warner. Fix it. PLEASE! Keep screaming, Harry! :)
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:36 a.m. CST
by Project: 2501
Harry coated in Scooby-Doo bubble bath. My childhood's starting to look like a multiple rape victim. First Jar-Jar came along and gang-raped it in an alley with George Lucas. Guess Warner's is looking for sloppy seconds. Please, for the love of (insert diety of your choice here) STOP letting shite-filled-muppets reinvent wheels!!!
Wow. That expletive riddled poorly written whine about the SCOOBY DOO movie was the most pointless thing i've ever read. Ever. It's fucking SCOOBY DOO for the love of heaven. Not Lord of the Rings or whatever. Chill out. Jeez...way to bring Lillard's parents into the whole thing too. Real professional. Harry, you're pathetic. Maybe people would listen more to you more if they didn't hate hearing you scream it in barely intelligable seemingly masturbatory rants. Just a thought.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:41 a.m. CST
Hello Harry, You watched Scooby Doo. You are a big fan of Scooby Doo. And you are trying to tell us that casting a guy with zero personality to play a character with... SURPRISE!... zero personality is the dumbest idea you ever heard? This isn't Shakespear, it is a cartoon. Will the movie suck? Probably. Will it bomb at the box office? Likely. Will crappy movies rehashing old series keep coming? BIG TIME! Look I don't know if anybody else has noticed the growing trend of reissuing old movies (This is Spinal Tap/The Exorcist/ etc.) You forget that corporations are the ones who make the final decisions, not artists. It is a business like any other and it is run by Dilbert Handbook. And as bad as things are now, wait until the big strike next year. When that is all said and done, we may actually go back to reading books.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:48 a.m. CST
If you're such a "huge science buff," dthorne, perhaps you can enlighten all of us exactly which science has established this startling fact, and what scientist proved it, by means of what experiment, discovery, or technique. I don't believe in aliens, ghosts, or chakras either, but I'm too scientifically minded to confuse a belief-proposition such as "there are no such things" for scientific fact. Particularly aliens. How on earth could you prove scientifically that there is no life in the universe other than here? Oh, you can debunk UFO sightings and close encounters from now till Judgment Day (and I'd like to see you try to prove scientifically that Judgment Day ain't coming), but that's not the same thing as proving that the universe has produced life only on one particular planet. I wonder whether you understand where science ends and philosophy begins; particularly in the case of your own philosophy. Peace out, SDG
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:49 a.m. CST
You know, you don't have to read Harry's articles...this is his site and he's allowed to post whatever he wants. If they continue to piss you off, why do you continue to read them? Another thing, for those of you saying the Scooby Doo cartoon looks so crappy...it was made in the 70's! All the cartoons in the 70's looked like crap! Scooby Doo is one of the greatest cartoons ever which can be proven because it's as popular now as it ever was.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:03 a.m. CST
When I first saw the title of this one, I just knew it was about Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker, but when I found YET ANOTHER Scooby Doo story.....WHO GIVES A SHIT!?!?!? Harry, it's about as stupid a cartoon as you can possibly find. The plots are ALWAYS THE SAME!!! I got over this show when I was about 6, and I think it's high time you did too. My EX girlfriend was about as stupid a simpleton as you can possibly find on the planet Earth and her favorite toon was Scooby Doo, THAT is an indication of the intelligence level of this shows fans. The cartoon sucks and the movie will probably suck just as bad, if not worse. GET A FUCKING LIFE. (phew...just had to get that off my chest)
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:04 a.m. CST
I can't believe they would continue to make such PISS POOR casting decisions on this film! Christ! I'd rather see the kid who played Screech on Saved By the Bell play Shaggy than Lillard!
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:08 a.m. CST
Lillard and Prinze. Definitely not Hope and Crosby, Abbot and Costello, and definitely NOT Jay and Silent Bob. Come on Lorenzo! Dustin Diamond would have been the shit for Shaggy!
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:14 a.m. CST
There are a hundred things in this world that I would like to see on the big screen, and there thousands of things that I hope to never see on the big screen. There are things that are classic and should not be remade. Scooby in its original format is a classic. Scooby cannot be Scooby without Ted Knight, and this film will never be anything more than a pale attempt to recreate a childhood memory. I don't care if they come up with the most incredible cast you could possibly imagine, this film and others like it will never be able to hold a candle to the series and that's all there is to it. They should not remake Willy Wonka, they should not remake Forbidden Planet, War of the Worlds should never have become the abortion of a TV series that it was, The Time Machine apparently has lost its way in script land.... all these things are sacred in some way and just shouldn't be touched. Scooby's finest moments will always be on TV in animated form. Everything else is just a Scooby Wanna-Be.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:21 a.m. CST
I mean, how hard would it to make this movie, goddamnit!!! FOX owns both rights, and Stan Winston/ILM did the effects on both. Just use the fuckin' comic books as reference or whatever to slap a script together. Use Lucy Lu or Michelle Yeoh as the main character. Just don't CGI any of the aliens, at least up close, and it should be just fine. Have Vin Diesel in there somewhere.... say... I should work at FOX!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:25 a.m. CST
by Dr. Channard
Jesus H. Christ. I haven't read a rant like this since Lucas announced Phantom Excrement wasn't coming out on DVD. Yes, the *is* JUST "Scooby Doo", which always WAS so lame it made "Space Ghost" look good. Holy guacamole, Harry - don't you EVER f*cking DARE to use the words "Scooby Doo" and "just 'Lord of the Rings'" in a sentence again, or I'll be paying you a visit. Man - getting that excited about a whacked lame-o 70s cartoon. You really DO need to get out more. How the hell do you think people feel about QUALITY material like "The Avengers" being strip-mined for Hollywood? And "Sleepy Hollow"? What the hell was THAT all about? And the goddam "Grinch", fer chrissakes?!? And here YOU are, having an aneurism over one of the most idiOTIC pieces of drek ever foisted upon children. Grow the hell up.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:39 a.m. CST
Seriously. Chocolate contains theobromine, a toxic alkaloid derived from cocoa beans. Signs of toxicity are vomiting, rapid heartbeat and hyperactivity. Harry may wish to lay off too- on general principle.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:41 a.m. CST
As a first generation Aleutian-American, I resent your characterization of our traditional diet as "walrus blubber". It may interest you to learn of the many delicacies that can be found in the cuisine of the frozen North -- anything from whale blubber to fish oil to... walrus blubber. I ask you, have you ever TRIED walrus blubber? HAVE YOU? I rest my case.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:46 a.m. CST
What did Karloff do as Frankenstein apart from lurch around the countryside scaring and killing people, albeit accidentally ? What did Lugosi and Lee do as Dracula, apart from lurk in ruined buildings and bite people ? What did Chaney Jnr do as the Wolfman other that scamper about, killing people ? What did Chaney Jnr do as The Mummy, other than stagger around frightening people ? What does Hodder do as Jason? He stalks and he kills...with no reason, no motive, no remorse. His body language, something sadly lacking in the previous Jason actors, tells you without a doubt that Jason is the biggest, baddest S.O.B. ever to crawl out of a grave. Hodder as Jason is the logical successor to Karloff as Frankenstein. He can act THROUGH the mask and the make-up, and long may he reign at the top of the mainstream horror industry.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:48 a.m. CST
Boy, is MY face red....I must've hit the "back" button one time too many.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:52 a.m. CST
Let the hate flow through you! Bottom line: it's rough to see excited anticipation spin down to dread. Scooby Doo could be dope, but the way it's going, it looks like it's going to be the bellweather of lameness for a whole generation of kids. This cast belongs in the Go-Bots movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:56 a.m. CST
Okay, so every episode of POWER RANGERS was the same. The fad went on for about a year or two until every kid in the neighbourhood noticed this. But SCOOBY DOO has gone on forever and people still go on about how great it was despite the fact every episode is the FREAKEN' SAME!!! And while I happen to like Matthew Lillard, I admit Steve Zahn IS Shaggy. But Freddie Prinze Jr is a crap actor. Make no mistake.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:56 a.m. CST
Wow, lots of people convinced that everything about this movie is wrong and will completely suck. Judging from the track records of those involved, yup, we've got a point... FPJr is the least talented hack I've seen in film for a LONG time, right up there with Denise Richards... If they're in a movie anytime in the near future, I'm sending the good ol' FTD Pipe-bomb Bouquet to them as congratulations for stinking up the screen more than any other couple in movie history, except Hoffman and Beatty... I'm not seriously excited about the Scooby movie to begin with, but it has gotten me thinking about prospective castings for other not-being-produced cartoons for the big screen - I SO want to see John Goodman as the police captain and Bridget Fonda as the assistant in the movie version of my personal all-time favorite, Hong Kong Phooey. And if we could get Steve Buscemi to do the grumbling from the cat, it'd be perfect!!! It's been a really long time since I talkedback and am just damn proud that I'm back chatting again... "And like that... <poof> ... I was gone"
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:58 a.m. CST
First of all, it wouldn't matter if they got Rudy Giuliani to play Shaggy, the computer-generated dog is what kills this. Secondly, Oh MY GOD it's just a scooby doo movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, noon CST
I realize we all gotta play nice-but I don't get these weak little fuckchops that fuck with Knowles on a personal level-I thought we were all dorks who loved movies-that should be the point of these posts-as for the rest of it you weak fucks should craft your own websites and leave people who love pop culture to their own devices... Now that being said-"Rome is burning"Are there plans for an "ANDY GRIFFITH"film-I would hate to see lillard as Ernest T. Bass-I completely grok your opinion on selling out on our youth!I dread the holidays-on tv -because it seems that every couple of years they change Charlie Brown's voice track-I bought a copy of Star Blazers and I know that's not the way Derek Wildstar sounded when I was a kid-for a generation that grew up watchin cartoons that's like changeing the voice of your favorite uncle or something-saddest truth is so long as advertisers think they can squeeze 7.50 outta somebody they will.I saw men of honor yesterday and there was some stuff about the D&D movie-one of the namelss Wayans is in it and I think I could go the rest of my life without a film based on fantasy with a rap soundtrack!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST
by Devils Halo
It was getting Warner Bros. to do a really really shitty job with a Scooby Doo movie with the stars from IKWYDLS. However, Jennifer Love Hewitt as Velma.. hell, it might work. This is all gonna be pretty hilariously lame. IKWYDLS Scooby-style. As the fisherman gets caught screaming, "And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!" Even better, why don't they just take IKWYDLS and digitally insert the CG Scooby into it. Probably be a lot better or in the very least it wouldn't hurt the film.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:13 p.m. CST
dthorne did not use the word "proof." Science doesn't deal in proof. That's a matter for logicians and mathematicians. Science does deal in evidence, and there is ample psychological evidence to show that people can invent things that are not there. On the other hand, we have no evidence that ghosts are real. So which do you think is the preferable model?
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:15 p.m. CST
You have all the whining "that's-not-fair-attitude" of that mindless fuck dunderhead sitting a few blocks away in your town. Just trust the people to decide, as George "head-up-his-ass" W would say. The "people" in this case, are the ones ponying up the money, Warner Bros. The guys that have purchased the rights to the franchise, the one's whom Hanna-Barbera have sold the farm to. Hanna-Barbera are the whores you should be screaming at for having entrusted the stillborn minds at Warner Bros. with your precious project. Out of all of this, you really have no say in the matter. Until you start making movies yourself, just be happy there's some celluloid passing through that shit-for-brains territory known as Texas, with its paranoid, Secretary-of-Florida-State-manipulating bastard of a President-wannabe, to keep you're attention diverted from the fact you have no life.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:25 p.m. CST
The eternal question of 'What's the difference between Freddie Prinze Jr and my arse?' has now been resolved. Thanks to the growth of merchandising crap that will flog every last cent out of a movie to children whose brains are still half the size that they will eventually become (exploitation thy name is Hollywood), we will all now see that there is no difference as Prinze's 'cheeky' grinning pustultent features are plastered all over the tie-in underwear. The answer to the question then, is that Prinze is only fit to cover my arse. Rhys Ifans for Shaggy!
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:26 p.m. CST
All you need to do is goto http://www.phantasmo.com/filmguys we're not better than you, we ARE you! Just normal film fans who report and review, that and there's more than one of us, so there's different opinions on the same topic! http://www.phantasmo.com/filmguys Dammit, Lilard was fucking awesome in SLC Punk!
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:29 p.m. CST
Christian Bale as Lion-O Ewan Mcgeggor as Tygra Michael Jai White as Panthro Angelina Jolie as Cheetara Lucy Liu as Pumyra Rutger Hauer as Mumm-Ra Kevin Spacey as Alluro
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:42 p.m. CST
It's not the end of the world. Scooby Doo isn't *that* important. I just wish they would STOP mining television shows for movies. That goes for CARTOONS, too!
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:49 p.m. CST
I've lurked among these talkbacks for a couple years now, but I need to speak up regarding dthorne's comments. Dthorne, there are many things more objectionable than pandering to mankind's tendency to believe in the supernatural and paranormal. One of these is the group of close-minded, holier-than-thou, fighting-for-the-greater-good, Carl Sagan-worshipping sciencephiles. Congratulations, your paradigm is on top. Good for you. Yes, I use and interpret reality through scientific means, because that was the way I was taught. But to come to the conclusion that science is THE Truth (with a capital "T") is as ridiculous as the Fundamentalist conclusion that the Bible is the Word of God. Science is "a" truth. Now, as for Scooby-Doo, Harry is right. I don't have profound feelings for the cartoon, even though I was a child of the eighties. I remember liking it, but it's nothing sacred to me. But just because the series was mediocre doesn't excuse execs from putting out a quality product. If the series wasn't that great, then why don't we make it better? Casting Freddie Prinze Jr. and (God help us) Matthew Lillard is not the way to go about doing this. Hear me now, though: this movie will make money. It has the same formula as Charlie's Angels, and look how all the naysayers were proved wrong there (in terms of gross). It has young stars that the teen audience adores, it has kitsch value, it will have lots of FX, and an immediately recognizable name. Hello, teen demographic, and hello, money! Sad to say, but true.
Nov. 16, 2000, 12:55 p.m. CST
would you like some xanax? or would prozac be better?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:03 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:09 p.m. CST
He has got to be the WORST of the "teen actors" EVER! I have yet to enjoy a single performance he has had in Film or Television. I blame him for single-handledly ruining "Wing Commander" for me. Please oh please God don't sign him as Shaggy!!! He would bring destruction and dessimation to the role!!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:09 p.m. CST
Why don't we all take a look and see who started using words like "proof" and "truth". Surprise, it wasn't dthorne. Don't let your prejudice lead you to put words into people's mouths.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:13 p.m. CST
Demographically speaking, they are cutting off a large chunk of their potential audience by casting solely from the not-quite-bumper crop of today's young actors. The casting of, say, a Rob Lowe as Shaggy, or perhaps Janeane Garofalo as Velma could stand to draw in an older audience that grew up on Scooby, as well. What's more, Prinze, as the one-two combination of DOWN TO YOU and BOYS AND GIRLS suggests, is not exactly a box office draw for *any* audience. I guess you can never understimate Warner Bros. when it comes to imbecilic packaging.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:24 p.m. CST
by Al Snows 1 fan
Harry, calm down, take a pill, relax. IT IS JUST A FUCKING LAME ASS CARTOON. It will suck no matter what they do. Think both Flintstone films then name a good cartoon to film conversion! It will never be the same as the cartoon, so give WB the bird and enjoy one boy and his dog in animated peace, bar that piece of shit Scrappy Doo.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:29 p.m. CST
Sorry Harry, you're WAY off base on this one. Sounds like the SD movie will be a perfect match for its source material. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If I had a time machine, I'd go back to 1969 & keep SD from ever being broadcast. The only reason I can see for the dubshit dog's current popularity is some sort of "Jeez, weren't we jerks to have liked this stuff" sort of irony on the part of people who were kids back then. The few SD episodes (or fragments) I've managed to watch have just dripped with contempt for the kids watching, the animation medium itself & any concept of interesting storytelling - but they hail from an age (unlike today) when there was no competition to produce good kid shows. (SD's competition on CBS/NBC was probably 2 SD knockoffs also done by the H-B studio.)~~~~~~~~~~~~ In fact, my only gripe against Cartoon Network is that their rerunning old SD crap when they went on the air probably returned him to popularity when he was on the verge of disappearing. What's next - the Squiddly Diddly movie?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:31 p.m. CST
by Bad Man
My use of Eskimo/whale blubber joke as an analogy to the dearth of quality animation in the 70's was tasteless and stupid, and I'd like to apologize to anyone I may have offended. It was dumb. I myself am a Mexican-American male living in Texas, and I've seen my fair share of subtle discrimination throughout the years, and I'm well aware that that even, escpecially, the little things, hurt the most. The last thing I want is to be considered a racist of any stripe. I should have known better. What a way to start my posting history on this site, huh?
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:31 p.m. CST
I'm not inserting any words into anyone's mouth. First of all, nowhere do I use the word "proof", and when I discuss truth and how it relates to dthorne's statements, I'm merely extrapolating (and not very much of that) from what he claims. Such as: [For those of you who don't know it yet, there are no such things as aliens, ghosts, chakras, or paranormal circumstances. The "supernatural world" is a fiction created by mankind!] If he's saying that there are no paranormal circumstances, and the supernatural world is a fiction, then I believe that stating that dthorne thinks science is the one and only truth isn't too bold a statement. Eh, whatever. I'm spouting philosophy and am getting defensive, both of which are dangerous at AICN. This is a Scooby-Doo talkback, and I reiterate: this movie will suck, but make tons of money.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:32 p.m. CST
Oh, yeah, and he's right about this Scooby Doo mess. Lillard's mom is supposedly a casting director or agent or manager or some such nonsense and Freddie is related to...well you know damn well who he is related to! It's all about connections...so I guess that explains this travesty. Whatta revoltin' development!:O(
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:44 p.m. CST
Hey Harry, first of all I have to admit I'm not that big of a scooby doo fan. It just never appealed to me, always pissed me off for some reason. Anyways, while I'm not a big fan of Matt Lillard, I have to admit i thought he was pretty good in SLC Punk. Freddie Prinze needs to be shot, but unfortunatly that won't happen. Just take a deep breath, relax and save the bitching for when the movie comes out. NOw you just sound childish. Besides, that cartoon sucked anyways...now Thundercats, there was a cartoon...
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:45 p.m. CST
by Ellie Sattler
Matt's barely tolerable, but FREDDIE PRINZE JR? Come on! I know Fred is supposed to be a vacuous pretty boy type, but this is taking it way over the line. And the director of bloody HOME ALONE 3! Genius! Christina Ricci, run like hell.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:45 p.m. CST
I can count on one hand ALL the live action movies made from comics / cartoons that were decent or good. It never ceases to amaze me what stupid fucks in Hollywood think will be "good", and all they're thinking of "good" is will it make money, NOT is it good storytelling or entertaining. I mean some of the shit that is put out is amazing. A lot of people have to buy into a movie for it to be made. Somewhere right now, there is a studio exec thinking, hey I've got a shitty story, a shitty cast, a shitty director, but hey, fuck the fans, I can probably make a profit in video distribution so I'll make this piece of shit movie anyway. Yes, this movie will suck, along with the legions of other similar movies that came before it and the other abortions that will inevitably come after it.
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:49 p.m. CST
by Ellie Sattler
Technically, I shouldn't care about one bit about the movie. I can't stand Scooby Doo anymore. I work at a video store, and one of my coworkers likes to play NOTHING BUT SCOOBY DOO VIDEOS. This is the same co-workers who thought Godzilla '98 was a brilliant movie. This has got to stop. I'll force feed him Wallace and Gromit if I have to.(end of mindless mini-rant)
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:49 p.m. CST
Okay, Harry. I can understand your anger. Granted, this isnt a change-the-world movie, as was mentioned in an earlier post, but if made well, it could provide some great entertainment, which is what movies are about at the end of the day, right? You have a right to be angry over a possible good project turning to shit before the cameras were even turned on. Maybe this will soothe your mind...here is what the perfect Scooby Doo movie would be like. Its a dark night, a full moon waxing in the sky, and silver light falls over the a muddy one lane backroad that cuts through a deep and misty marsh. Suddenly, a pair of headlights cut through the haze and speeding out comes the Mystery Machine, a repainted, suped up Dodge Minivan! The scene cuts, moving inside with the Gang and Scoob, dropping in mid coversation as they try and figure out where they took a wrong turn and where this road will take them. Gary Coleman, playing Fred with that cute, loveable acting style that we grew to love on televisions "Different Strokes" sits at the steering wheel, turning to the rest of them and shaking his head. "Its no use, gang," he says, barely able to see over the dash board. "I think we're lost. Maybe there is an old, rotted out mansion up here we can stop at." "Zoiks!" come a reply from the back, where Shaggy, played by none other than the Secretary General of the UN himself, Boutros Boutros Ghali. "Not another mansion! Can't we just find a hotel room for once?" The gang laughs, as John Rhys-Davies, playing Daphne perfectly, quickly says, "Shaggy, just calm down. Besides, I'm sure we will find our way back to town before we get too far out of our way." "Where are we going, anyway? My whole life, we are travelling, and I have no clue where we are going. Shaggy, is that goatee or a dead ferret? Oh, and Fred, I think I forgot to mention, the only two men who wear scarves around their necks are Elton John and Hollywood off of the movie 'Mannequin,'" Scooby says, voiced by the very funny Billy Crystal. "Wait, gang, look! Jinkies! Is that a decrepit old colonial style house in the distance?" Velma asks, but everyone in the audience recognizes her as Grace Jones, that not-so-feminine model from such films as "Conan: The Barbarian" and "Boomerang." Anyway...I think you get the point from there. But, im not the one working in Hollywood, so I guess we will just have to sit back and watch as they ruin the movie...*sigh*
Nov. 16, 2000, 1:59 p.m. CST
. . . . is someone who supposedly knows what's good and bad for a movie, but he himself can't make a movie. So Harry, go make a movie that you think is great, perfect, and just all in all fantastic, and let's see what everyone thinks about it. But, until then, don't think that you know better than everyone on a certain subject matter, even though you're not even good enough to do it yourself.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:03 p.m. CST
Someone has issues - it's never too late to invest in professional psychiatric care
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:12 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:12 p.m. CST
Ok maybe I just don't GET Scooby Doo. Maybe there's some deep, subtle hidden meaning that touched an entire generation that I was supposed to be a part of. But even you die hard fans have to admit that Harry's going a little over board when he puts this show in the same category as Star Wars, Batman, and Lord of the Rings. "The best Saturday morning cartoon ever?" Nobody remebers Johnny Quest, SpiderMan and his Amazing Friends, Bugs Bunny, Blackstar, Filmation's Flash Gordon, The Alf animated series, or Thundarr the Barbarian? How about early anime? Astroboy, Speed Racer, Gigantor, Marine Boy, Star Blazers, Robotech, Force Five (Grandizer, Gaiking, The Spaceketeers, Danguard Ace and The Starvengers), Tranzor Z, Battle of the Planets and even Voltron?
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:13 p.m. CST
by Valles Marineris
I wouldn't have come down *That* hard on Freddie Prinze Jr. In fact, I wouldn't come down much harder than the huge cartoon anvil I intend dropping on his vacant noggin
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:17 p.m. CST
I've always maintained in my mind, body, soul and beating heart that Hanna-Barberra are the Incubus/Antichrists of Animation. The impish abominations unleashed on our cherished planet have succeeded in lowering what could not be lowered: the cultural integrity of Our Great Nation. With that said, I put the question to all: How can ANY film based on a Hanna-Barbituate cartoon could be of any merit? These rat bastards have not have not made anything watchable and their sound f/x library is unholy. Hanna-Barberra is the Sixth circle and the Sixth Sign. I love Anime so, forgive me if I find Poke'mon infinitely more entertaining than Scooby or Casey Kasem. Long Live Chuck Jones! Long Live Fred Quimby! Long Live Robert McKimson! Long Live Anime! -Vermifax P.S. I even liked Sid and Marty Kroft better than those HB Fucks!
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:27 p.m. CST
If I can't get a good scooby-doo movie, and I never really wanted one anyway so oh well, at least I get to watch geeks writhing in agony over the casting.. That's fucking hilarious. C'mon Warners, screw up the casting a little more so I can watch Harry pop a blood vessel. ;)
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:28 p.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
As many of you film fans out there have noticed, there has been a significant brain-drain coming out of both Hollywood and network television lately. Gone are the original and entertaining films such as Die Hard, The Goonies and Field Of Dreams. What has replaced them are sequels, movies about old TV shows, sequels, movies about toys, more sequels, remakes of old movies, even more sequels and movies about the newest kind of bath soap, coffee or breakfast cereal. How far off until we have a movie about Count Chocoula, Frankenberry and Booberry starring Seth Green, Matthew Lillard and Taye Diggs? The madness has got to stop!!! I think Harry made some great points, and he's just snapped. And I can understand why. He probably loves movies,pop culture, kitsch, 70's and 80's camp and all the other stuff that we all grew up on. And he hates that the Hollywood Suck Machine keeps churning out one pile of crap after another. They must have some kind of random idea generator out there that picks today's newest teen star, an 80's TV show, and a music video director that can put them all together for a $30 million budget. I can understand the frustration, because once a movie is made, it is unlikely to be revisited for years. If they screw up Scooby-Doo now, it will be years until someone takes another crack at it. Just do it right the first time! Get someone good to write the script. Get someone good to direct. Get people that are good to act in it. Don't try to update it for 2000 with a bunch of Matrix-style junk and a soundtrack by Destiny's Child or some other god-awful R&B group. Just give us laughs, thrills, chills, and some cool inside jokes about Fred and Daphne doin' it in the bushes, Velma having a secret crush on Scooby, and Shaggy and Scooby getting high and eatin Scooby-Snacks when they get the munchies. I think that the people that did The Brady Bunch Movie had it right. The sequel may have sucked, but the Brady Bunch Movie was hilarious and had the spirit of the show, with a bunch of jokes about them struggling with the 90's. The same approach might not be good for Scooby-Doo, but they should do it that way. The original cartoon may have been the same plot over and over every weekend (the kids happen upon a haunted (insert structure here), a bunch of scared neighbors, a superstitious legend, some kind of money-making scheme. Add Shaggy and Scooby running hither and thither for 30 minutes, Velma keeping her calm an solving the mysetry, Daphne and Fred falling all over each other, Old Man Jenkins, a few rubber masks and a laser-light show and a couple of 30-layer sandwiches and a box of Scooby snacks), but it was a lot of fun. I think that we all deserve to have that special magic when we go to see the new movie. If not, then it'll make no money at all. But, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:29 p.m. CST
Are you implying that there is a literate human being capable of suggesting, without a hint of sarcasm, that former Secretary General of the UN, Boutros-Boutros Ghali play Shaggy? I'd go back and re-read that entire post before passing judgment.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:45 p.m. CST
This film is going to suck. First you got a no talent director on it. Second The casting sucks nuts. Third mathew Lillard.
Nov. 16, 2000, 2:45 p.m. CST
Warner is a bunch of clueless dipshits. Here's hoping they never try to do a Land of the Lost movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:03 p.m. CST
I took the time to write out that post because I felt it would be humourous and bring some light into Harry's otherwise bleak day, because if not, the man is going to have to have a triple bypass by sundown. In case you have not noticed, I am not the only one that comes to these talkbacks and posts a short novel. I felt to get across my point, I had to go a little over the top. Kind of like now. Well, gotta go. Time to take my medicine.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:04 p.m. CST
by alex m
how can anyone say James Gunn is a hack? He has written one of the beautiful novels ever, "the toy collector". "tromeo and juliet" may no be for all tastes, but "the toy collector" is really a heartbreaking/hilarious piece of comedy/drama fusion. it's excellent. i haven't seen the specials, it hasn't opened in chicago. but when it does i'll be first in line. i'm extremely dissappointed to hear that the scooby doo script is really terrible. i remember reading that he wrote the script for "scooby doo" and "spy vs. spy" and being a little surprised. don't slam james gunn for writing a terrible script for a project that he didn't devise. any writer that is "hired" to write a script is not going to do their best work.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:11 p.m. CST
FPJr. and ML have already slaughtered the small franchise that was Wing Commander....now they're gonna ruin a Big Franchise called Scooby Doo.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:16 p.m. CST
that Hollywood don't know what it is they are doing. All they see is money. The easiest way to get it is all that's on their mind. So we're all just gonna have to accept it that the majoirty of movies are always going to be bad, there's nothing that can be done. If you wanna see true cinema, I recommend some art house flicks (I loved Run Lola).
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:18 p.m. CST
by Smilin'Jack Ruby
I hate to reiterate what some guy just wrote two posts above, but James Gunn is responsible for "Tromeo and Juliet" and a really great book, "The Toy Collector" which is pretty fucking pitch black in its comedy. Here's what's else - when I interviewed Gunn not long ago, he made a joke about how Miramax/Dimension originally had Freddie Prinze Jr. cast in "The Specials" before Brillstein-Grey took it on. I don't know how much Gunn had to do with casting even though he is still on the project and as far as a screenwriter being responsible for casting on a major studio project, who knows? While yes, this movie will probably be pretty awful based on casting, don't blame James Gunn. For a studio to take a guy who wrote "Tromeo and Juliet" and put him on "Scooby Doo," that's pretty wild and weird.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:24 p.m. CST
by captain vulgar
JIM BRUER(?) from "Half Baked"...he was the hippie. Perfect for the psedo-pothead Shaggy. ...and yes, castrate freddie pinze
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:26 p.m. CST
You are a lunatic, but youre also funny and mostly correct. So what are you going to do about it? Start a petition. Oh and by the way, what makes you think Spider-Man is going to be any good? They'll just destroy him too.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:29 p.m. CST
by CRITICAL MASS
Y'know, this rant about Lillard and Prinze Jr. in the Scooby movie is a whole lotta WHO GIVES A FUCK? to me. Not only do I NOT care about a Scooby Doo movie, I hope it sucks so bad that Harry's collection drops to "cut-out bin" value. The cartoon was part of my childhood, and it always will be. But as brains evolve and mature, so dies the one-time awe we have with a rather monotonous cartoon. Well, at least SOME brains mature. It's great for kids, but it's like "The Brady Bunch." A serious Brady Bunch flick would have SUCKED like Greg Brady's orange dyed hair. I can't even fathom how bad an updated Scooby movie would be. I don't care if it has Lillard and Prinze Jr. in it, either. "Rocky and Bullwinkle" had Robert DeNiro and Rene Russo in it, and it was one huge, stinking, moose turd pie of a film. Mark my words . . . No matter who they get in this movie, the movie will suck so bad that it will be long forgotten BEFORE it's even released. Have fun ranting, Harry, cuz this is one guy who's playing Steve Buscemi's world's smallest violin from "Reservoir Dogs" to all of the poor Scooby fans who feel like their only reason for living (this stupid movie,) is being co-opted by visionless hacks. In this case, I think the hacks here are all the Scooby fans creating that sucking sound you hear in the distance. Color me TOTALLY apathetic.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:42 p.m. CST
by Cinnamon Peeler
Harry, I've been visiting this site for a long time and I must say that usually your insites are a welcome human touch to the usually cold world of reporting. However, you crossed the line with this rant. Everyone has a right to express their opinion but you went out of your way to humiliate and damage the reputations of Mat Lillard and Freddy Prinze. I felt personally offended at your inapropriate ramblings. Whether you like it or not, you are in a position of privilage and you have officially violated that privilage. Your opinion counts to more than just your inner circle and can affect the attitudes of others. You have a medium of great power and you have abused that power. I don't care what Charles Barkley says, if people you have never met are listening to your opinion then you are a role model. So act like it. The actors you mentioned haven't even acted in the Scooby Movie and you've alread crucified them. These are young men who have not yet reached their potential as actors or as human beings. Whether they are good or bad actors is not yet set in stone. They have plenty of growing and learning to do. But you seem bent on ending their careers right now out of some, I can only asume, personal dislike of them. If you don't like them, fine, offer some constructive advise. Nothing you said was constructive. It was a complety juvenile act that would be expected from a small child. Do you actually think that throwing a tantrum is going to help anything. If you don't like Mat and Fred, you are entitle to say so. But, to go to the lengths that you did to express that dislike is not a reaction; it's an attack. I don't even like Mat or Fred but I don't make it a personal mission to use what little influence I have to impeed their careers. I suggest you take a step back and read over what you wrote. Leave out the names of the actors and the movie and you will see how utterly offensive your words were. I like movies as much as any one of you but come on, get a little perspective. To put celuloid above personal civility is more than a little scary.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:45 p.m. CST
umm he's insane
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:48 p.m. CST
HB churned out a TON OF CRAP for saturday morning during the 70's and 80's, and Scooby Doo is a prime example of the formulaic tripe that the networks force-fed us as children. Just look at the Super Friends...can you possibly imagine a WORSE treatment of the JLA? Sure it's cheesey and fun to watch every once in a while, but it is absolute insult to the actual comic book characters. And the entire concept of Scooby Doo was a framework used OVER and OVER and OVER by the hackmeisters at HB to churn out crap. Look at Speed Buggy, Jabberjaw, the Funky Phantom, and the new Shmoo were all the same formula of "Meddling Kids" and "Off the Wall Comedic Sidekick," these are all essentially the same fucking idea. "THE GREATEST SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON IN HISTORY!"???? I certainly don't think so. It's animation was certainly subpar, the storylines (as I have previously stated) were less than original, and the comedy was pretty standard fare for the time. How many cartoons do you know of that have a laugh track? To me, that's a pretty big indicator of how UNFUNNY it is. I mean, come on, when you have to tell children when to laugh at pratfalls and the like, you're really in trouble. If you're looking for the best Saturday morning cartoon ever, there are many more candidates: Ralph Bakshis' Mighty Mouse, Muppet Babies, The Littles, The New Adventures of Flash Gordon, The Mighty Orbots, the animated Star Trek, Pole Position, Thundarr the Barbarian, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids...I could go on and on and on. Basically Hanna-Barbera was just churning out junk for us kids, and we didn't know any better, because they were the dominate force in Saturday morning animation.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:49 p.m. CST
Jason Lee would have made a kick ass Shaggy.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:53 p.m. CST
Well, that casting news should seriously blow any chance of a decent SCOOBY DOO. Maybe they can rescue this one out of the gutter if they hire Verne Troyer to play Scrappy Doo. They could cobble a test suit together using old Ewoks outfits that the Smithsonian respectfully declined to take ownership of.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:54 p.m. CST
Yeah, this is gonna go on for quite a while..Hollywood is still trying to think up ways for the jetsons, the smurfs, and yogi bear to become live-action features...I'm curious about the Scooby-Doo thing...not saying I'm 100% for it or 100% against it..I'm just curious. The one thing that I'd like to see(and will probably get burned at the stake by talkbackers for even suggesting it) is a live action powerpuff girls movie directed by Tim Burton. It sounds ridiculous, but think about it for a second...you know those tiny girls with enormous heads and eyes weren't considered "cute" by the normal people of Townsville when they were first created......
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:57 p.m. CST
by Johnny X
Now that was a good movie, and Matthew Lillard was pretty good in it.
Nov. 16, 2000, 3:58 p.m. CST
by GEEKBASHER 3.0
He is the equivalant of a ANAL WART! HE NEEDS TO BURNED OFF THE FACE OF THIS PLANET!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:17 p.m. CST
I would rather sit through three hours of those goddamn awful DORF videos than one minute of whatever this crap fest is sure to turn out to be. My question is this: why is Harry so suprised? I can't think of any movies that were a well done take-off of my childhood cartoons (this is of course not including Batman or Superman, but those were comics), this is because HOLLYWOOD does not really care about being true to the story. They always screw up and they are always stupid, so why even bother?
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:26 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:38 p.m. CST
First of all, Harry, Scooby Doo is and always will be AWESOME!!! But you shouldn't get that worked up about it. Chill out man. We all know Warner Bros. sucks now!!!We should come to expect this kind of incompetence by them by now. However,the casting of this movie is worse than I EVER thought it could be. FREDDIE PRINZE, JR. IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A HORRIBLE ACTOR! MATT LILLARD HAS ALWAYS SUCKED ASS; AND SORRY TO BUST YOU OTHER PEOPLE'S BUBBLE; BUT HE EVEN SUCKED IN SLC PUNK. I GUESS IT'S CONSIDERED GREAT ACTING WHEN SOMEONE GOES AROUND STONED THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!! ALL HE DID WAS ACT LIKE HIMSELF. GOOD CALL ON STEVE ZAHN AS SHAGGY! And BSGDAN, so what if all the episodes were the same? What, do you want some sort of great plot in a cartoon? i guess the next academy award should go to George Jetson for best actor. It's a CARTOON man. Cartoons are meant to be mainly for kids to enjoy for fun and entertainment. So ease up a little bit. THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN GODZILLA, AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD HEAR MYSELF SAY THAT!!!!! Keep up with the great work Harry and try not to take things like this so personal.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:41 p.m. CST
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again... Book of Shadows was very good. And that guy who was talking about beastiality: "dude, in your spare time, nobody cares, but leave it out of the post."
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:44 p.m. CST
by Billy Goat
... is FREAKAZOID! Yes, it would be unnecessary and pointless. But Freakaziod's humor was all ABOUT unnecessary and pointless! That was the point! Just give me the word, WB, and I'll get started writing the script! ...or not.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:48 p.m. CST
Look, all actors are usually bad in their youth. Look at Jack Nicholson's early B&W work! all you need is the promise of greatness, and they usually deliver. Lillard showed that promise in SLC Punk, and Harry, I don't think he deserved that kind of rant. This is gonna sound really Stuart Smalley-ish, but maybe you should think about all of the bad things people have said about you, before you go spewing venom at them.
Nov. 16, 2000, 4:55 p.m. CST
Let's give it up for sCRAPpy DOO. The cartoon "Cousin Oliver" has "SHIT" twice in his name. Oh boy.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5 p.m. CST
Whoever brought the idea of bringing Scooby Doo to the big screen should be drug out into the street an shot. Why doesn't anybody who wears a suit in Hollywood understand that rehashing TV isn't always a good idea? Stop the insanity!!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:09 p.m. CST
by Joey Jojo
Give us a point of reference so that we can know of the Scooby movie that might have been and realize why we should not be tempted towards the coming abomination.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:19 p.m. CST
I saw this at Van Nuys corner Riverside and I almost drove my car into the sewer with fear!!! If you havent checked it out you San Fernando Folks, go to the 101 exit Van Nuys and go north of the freeway and itll be on the corner of Riverside on the West side of the street, FEAR MY FRIENDS FEAR!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:21 p.m. CST
Okay, okay. I'm calm, I'm calm. Breathe in, breathe out. I'm focused and centered. Ah, there. Now, hold on a moment folks. Before we all go nuts let's think for a moment about this. Let's be optimistic. After all this movie could....could be....real..rea.... really...good....Oh God, I can't even type that and believe it. (pauses for silent weeping) I would so love for Raja to defend his choice of casting here on AICN. Of course I know he won't because I'm sure even he knows it's retarded. Still though, just think back to the wonderful chemistry between Prinze, Jr. and Lillard had in Wing Commander (sarcasm). Oh Christ, this sucks. I just have this image of the two them with their heads hanging over an old fence, chewing grass, staring blankly(I live in Texas, I see that image a lot). I wonder if Lillard and Prinze are good friends outside of acting(I don't know cause' I don't follow the personal lives of crap actors). See, I can understand why Prinze got the role. He's dating Sarah Michelle Gellar(Daphne). I think in order to get her on board of this floating log, they had to cast Prinze. You've got to wonder how that relationship works, you know him sucking as an actor and her being pretty good(i.e. this week's Buffy, can't wait for a DVD collection of Season 5, BTW). Anywho, since Prinze is practically signed(pause for more weeping), I wonder if he's the reason we have to put up with his little booty-buddy Lillard in Scooby Doo. These two are like the Matt Damon and Ben Affleck of crap. Anyways, I have to agree with Harry on this one wholeheartedly. Though a bit long-winded, his comments pretty much sum up mine. Unlike Harry though, I don't think there's any point in appealing to the studio's senses to reconsider casting these two bovines. I know they will fall upon deaf ears. I mean, just look at the effect the complaints here on AICN have had so far(ie script, director, etc.). My hopes for this film had been dwindling recently. And now, it's dead and buried. Any of you that still think 'Scooby Doo' might have a chance in hell, I pity you. You're in for a hard bitch-slap from reality. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I won't be. I never thought I'd ever see the day that I thought, "Scrappy wasn't THAT bad." A little bit of the magic of childhood has died today. Please send flowers, cards, etc. to: F.U. Warners care of the Seventh Circle of Hell.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:33 p.m. CST
Those crappy new direct-to-videos like Zombie Island and such wherein the characters have a NEW set of clothes?!! Throwing away the sexually-implicit scarves? And using a ultra-super bright crystal clear beaming radiance to all colours rather than the great and classic dirty dingy "film" type look of the seventies...man, Scooby has been on the slide for the past five years...
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:35 p.m. CST
My subject line is enough said.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:49 p.m. CST
by francis soyer
Hello? While I agree with most of the sentiments posted, you people have to realise that Hollywood is a business. It exists to make money. It's not there to simply make fanboys drool at exciting new film prospects like Scooby Doo or X-Men or whatever. Sometimes, rarely, the right people get the right project and do it right and the people that care the most are happy. But the studios often, if not always, see projects such as these as multiple money making machines (apologies for the alliteration). They see franchise. They see bucks. And that's fair enough. It's a business. They're there to make money. So is everybody else. And it's not a safe business either. You're hardly guaranteed a return. If it was about the craft and the love of the form, then Adam Sandler wouldn't be getting $20 million a picture. There's only a few people around who truly care. And they're few and far between. And it all just so happens to coincide with the films that make all us dreamers get wet. Kenny Rogers said it best: You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run. Just walk away.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:55 p.m. CST
Harry, I'm sorry that "they" are going to make a terrible movie based on your favorite cartoon. But, you really shouldn't compare yourself to Jefferson and Franklin while panning Lillard's performance in the unfinished "Love's Labor's Lost" unless you have actually seen the movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:55 p.m. CST
that a grown man can even give a shit about Scooby Doo. For gods sake, it's a crappy fucking show. Granted, I watched it when I was 6, but you know, kids watch Barney and Teletubbies now, do you wanna see a Teletubbies movie in twenty years? It was a shitty TV show, and so now it'll make a shitty movie, so what?
Nov. 16, 2000, 5:56 p.m. CST
jobriga3 is absolutley right ... Transformers and Voltron rule! Although, TF was on on Sunday morings orginally (at least in Detroit). I never liked Scooby-Doo (except when Batman was on, that THE only episode that I looked forward to) HEY!!! Maybe george Clooney and Chris O'Donnel should be in this Scooby MOVIE!!! YEAH!!!! That would rule!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:03 p.m. CST
Prinze is wrong for Freddy. Why is a Hispanic actor playing a blonde haired, blue eyed piece of white bread Americana? The aboslute key to getting this film right is in the casting of Shaggy and Scooby. They are the linchpin that holds the tv show together and for years i've felt no one could but Jim Carrey could play Shaggy. Lately i've been hearing about Rob Lowe's performance on SNL and how he did a dead on impersonation of Shaggy. I don't know what to say about Lillard. I hope Gosnell sees something in Lillard we all don't. But the thought of Prinze as Freddy and Sarah Michelle Gellar as Daphne makes me want to say "ZOINKS!"
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:04 p.m. CST
I would just like to point out to those who feel inclined to bash Harry for his opinion that this is a movie site, run by and dedicated to those who cherish movies. There are dozens of other internet sites that provide casting information and reviews, but this site goes beyond others in that it is a film site which celebrates our deep love for movies. So for those who say "Who cares?" and make cheap comments about Harry (who has the gall not to hide behind a talk-back name, unlike his attackers), if you can't understand the passion than go to E! online. Harry's site is the only one which can actually make a difference in the film industry, so right on Harry, you keep showing 'em what they're doing wrong.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:07 p.m. CST
holy shit man, wake up and smell the sheit. These things happen, Harry. It broke my heart to see Batman utterly broken by dumbass bigwigs sitting in hollywood, but get used to it, dude. There are far more fucking morons in the movie industry than there are intelligent ones, and until they stop running the show we're gonna see our holy icons crushed beneath their armani shoes.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:17 p.m. CST
[The comment about "proof" was directed at someone else; I know you didn't say it.] And yes, it is a pretty big leap to assume that someone, even a self-professed science buff, believes that science is the One Great Truth just because he happens to disbelieve in ghosts. In fact, no science buff worth his salt would claim that science holds any absolute truths at all. Now, I agree that the statement that got you so riled up was stated a bit strongly, but it has nothing to do with science. A complete anti-scientist might have the exact same opinion about ghosts.
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:26 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:27 p.m. CST
I leave for a few short months and I am forced to return to this shit! What the fuck is this! Harry, Is this anyway for an outlaw to return? God dammit... I wish i was back on vacation....
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:50 p.m. CST
Point conceded, Pedant. You are right on all counts. It is refreshing to hear a science advocate state what many so-called advocates do not: that any scientist worth his salt doesn't claim to know any absolute truths. I can't believe I'm talking about this on a Scooby talkback...
Nov. 16, 2000, 6:58 p.m. CST
Come now, Harry. Calm down and take a Valium. Scooby Doo was hardly a TV masterpiece - it was the typical poorly animated Hanna-Barbera Saturday morning junk. I liked it when I was a kid, but that was thirty years ago. Besides, what did you really expect from a live action film? A talking dog that sounds like Casey Kasem, riding in a 70s relic with Brady Bunch clones and solving the same "mystery" over and over again? This had "piece of junk" written all over it from the beginning. Face it: just because you love a cartoon or a comic or a piece of pulp fiction does NOT mean that a) it's any good or b) it deserves to be made into a movie. There are hundreds of superb comics and SF stories that will never be filmed for various reasons (chief example: Harlan Ellison's script for "I, Robot" - and why no campaign to get a genuine masterpiece filmed? Or aren't Ellison and Asimov pulpy enough?). Let them film "The Demolished Man" or "The Left Hand of Darkness" or "VALIS" before they waste the time and money on Scooby Doo....
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:10 p.m. CST
Ditto, Harry. Ditto.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:26 p.m. CST
by Private Ryan
Oh god no. Oh god no. Oh god no. This movie is dead in the water. Oh god no.
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:31 p.m. CST
Harry, ya need to vent man. Holding all that aggression in ain't good. Tell us how you REALLY feel!!! Listen, it ain't worth gettin' riled up over. Nothing is written in stone...yet. Although it was never one of my favorites growing up (yep, I'm a first generation too) I kinda think it's dumb to even attempt to do this type of movie. No matter how much CGI has come along in the past years, Scoob would still look cartoonish. As for the cast choices, if this does through, are stupid. So sit back, relax, and let it die the long, slow, agonizing and painful death that will come. Oh yes, it will come. And if it doesn't now, it will at the box office, will little or no help from you. So relax and think about the good stuff comin' up!
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:33 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 7:36 p.m. CST
For those that may, you know, care a bit about getting history correct -- Harry, for instance, as it relates to Scooby Doo -- the Federalist Papers were actually written mostly by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. And they weren't "journalism" -- they were propaganda pieces designed to persuade people to ratify the Constitution. And here's a thought: If you're so angry about what Warner is going to do to your (for whatever reason -- I've always been a Bugs Bunny and Fat Albert kind of guy) beloved cartoon, why not take some direct action -- organize, write letters, refuse to post news about WB projects. Hell, march on Burbank and chain yourself to the water tower if you want. Above all, just keep your money in your pocket. But ranting, spitting and whining about "your" story won't get you anywhere.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:41 p.m. CST
Warners is shooting itself in the foot with this one. More importantly, they're shooting Scooby Doo as well. I've had a chance to read the Craig Titley script. It's not Gandhi (I love Gandhi), but it's damn good and I'd jump at the chance to see that on the screen. Warners had the script of a lifetime, and passed it over for the most unimaginably stupid reasons. Gunn is NOT the type of person who should be writing a Scooby Doo script. Tromeo and Juliet? And while I don't hate Lillard and Prinze passionately, there are a hundred actors who could better play Fred and Shags, and everyone knows it. And I've never seen Home Alone 3, a fact for which I think I'll always be grateful. For those of you who don't 'get' Scooby Doo, all I can say is, I'm sorry. If you can't enjoy something fun and simple, then there's not much to change that. But even you should recognize that a film is about to be tortured and murdered here, and whatever it's about, that will ALWAYS be a crime.
Nov. 16, 2000, 8:41 p.m. CST
I dunno, I'm hesitant to condemn Prinze, Jr. himself (having only seen the aforementioned stupidity), but there does seem to be some kind of curse following him. Maybe someone like Tobey Maguire would be better. As for Mathew Lillard- well, it could be worse. It could be David Arquette.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:06 p.m. CST
by Kid Z
... the fuck is Matt Lillard? Nope, sounds like he's one of the "Britney Generation"... I'd rather NOT know, I think. Geez, remember about 10 years back when the press bitched constantly about those "angst-ridden, Jack Kerouac-reading, coffee-swilling, flannel-wearing, punk rock-listening, lazy-ass Gen Xers? I suppose white bread, squeeky clean, empty headed, never cracked open even a comic book, much less an actual book (you read? that's SO gay!) in their life, brainless Gen Yers are somehow better? Oh yeah, that's right... they'll swallow any mass-marketed, lowest-common denominator, corporate swill that bubbles up the same shit pipe that the news media is funneled through. The Millenial Generation! A wonder ful breed! Turn up the old Nirvana albums and drown out the little fucks until Dubya tanks the economy and we have our revenge! Kid Z logging out...
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:07 p.m. CST
This being my first post ever on here.....i don't want to take up too much space....so.. Harry...i don't think I could agree any more...although I doubt i'm as creative to come up with as many uses for these expletives...kudos to your imagination there.. well.....warner can kill just about anything it seems.... Jim
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:32 p.m. CST
Maybe I missed something as a child,but I don't understand all of this.Yes Scooby Doo was a great cartoon(Well up until scrappy came along anyway,just a personal memory folks). My girlfriend loves the cartoon to this day(as do I,w/o scrappy),but,she was really excited to here about the "live-action" version of scoobs!!! The news kind of reminded me of Rocky & Bullwinkle(and by the way that "film" did manage to attract a few BIG name actors,and look what happened!While I know in my heart of hearts Warner is death to most licensed "products",still, ever think that maybe after the squirel and moose crap that no actor worth a shit will touch this w/a 10 ft pole???) Hell the suites are probally thrilled they managed to get actors with names we all at least recognize!!Hate em' or not.Maybe I'm forgetting something,but what was the last cartoon(not comic)that was put to film WELL? Harry,I love your site(truly),I love(and for the most part trust) your reviews,but maybe you were expecting a little much out of a (1d) cartoon to film adaption. This has however,been a rather lively talkback session.So maybe I'm wrong about this movie.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:49 p.m. CST
by reverend floyd
In the pantheon of horrible saturday morning cartoons Scooby Doo ranks right up there with such abominations as Clue Club ( Scooby Doo w/ 2 dogs ), Jabberjaw, and that other retarded one with the big fat gay pink genie that talked like Joe Besser. The name of which escapes me, but why bother.
Nov. 16, 2000, 9:54 p.m. CST
Freddie Prinze, Jr., Matthew Lillard...is WB deliberately setting out to make moviegoers with any semblance of an IQ miserable? I mean, sure, teenyboppers will make this film a colossal smash, but will violating a beloved property (albeit one that I personally don't care for, but that's beside the point) be worth it? WB has already gutted BATMAN, they're beheading SUPERMAN, SANDMAN's being lobotomized, and WONDER WOMAN's about to be put to the rack. WILD WILD WEST and THE AVENGERS were demolished. Isn't enough enough? Or is WB spectacularly infatuated with self-sabotage?
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:03 p.m. CST
My daughter will be heart broken if this movie sucks. Do it right. No Scrappy or Addams Family or Gilligan or any other crap. The Mystery Machine should be an old Good Times Van and not a Dodge Caravan. Is this the super hero that Prinze said he was going to play?
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:13 p.m. CST
The Replacements: What did the big George Washington mascot head do in that movie, anything? I know the guy who was under there (I know, I know, big connections) and he just played cards with hot cheerleaders all day, eat great food, and was overpaid, I just wanna know, did he earn it??
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:20 p.m. CST
Wing Commander.... Need I say any more? Scooby was ok as a cartoon but no way in hell should this show be made live action. It's just stupid and I thought that before casting began. Just another way for Hollywood to make a quick buck. I mean if Scooby is a smash they can just take the same script, change the extra character names, switch up the villian and five months later...Scooby Doo part 2...and then if that succeeds then five months after that..Scooby Doo part 3. And they will keep doing until one of the brain dead teens who like N'sync and BS realize that " Hey, these are the same lines as part one and two!" Then it will only make $150 million and parts 10-16 will be in production!!! Scooby Doo Part 16 Coming Summer 2005!
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:33 p.m. CST
The second Prinze signed on, and they said Scooby was going to be computer generated..this movie was doomed to hell. Now that Lillard's on board as the lead, this thing has become the next Biodome. They might as well call up Pauly Shore.
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:37 p.m. CST
People, we're talking about a SCOOBY DOO movie. A SCOOBY DOO MOVIE... GIVE ME A BREAK. Have you nothing better to do with your lives than to give this project the time of day????? Harry, did you actually have any hope since day one of the announcement of this project years ago that it would be a quality picture????????????? I LOVE the cartoon and will cherish it.... but a live action version????? MAN, THIS SITE HAS JUST TAKEN A FALL. For the record, you're right Harry, Lillard and Prinze SUCK THE FAT ONE!
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:38 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:42 p.m. CST
Man,what is with you? It's Scooby Doo! Not Homer's Oddysey or The Iliad! Now seriously Harry,tell me,when you get this upset,do you cut yourself to relieve the pressure?
Nov. 16, 2000, 10:59 p.m. CST
That's why it's funny.. This type of shit movie is something you might expect from a beginner, isn't scary to think someone who's been around is suggesting this?? This is gonna suck with no redeming value. Funny, maybe.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:05 p.m. CST
I love ya guy,but Scooby Doo is NOT sacred,despite your protestations to the contrary. I watched in horror as one of my favorite shows,Wild Wild West,was turned into a pile of cinematic dung,but after a few minutes I became philosophical and said,"Hey,at least I got to see Salma Hayek's ass!" So hang loose,bro. Maybe they'll try to make the movie more attuned to the mores of the time and have Daphne and Velma swap spit!
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:45 p.m. CST
by Sausage Mahoney
He's tall. He's lanky. Give him longer hair, a little facial hair, a green shirt, and some red pants and quite frankly, I can see it. Who do you want for Shaggy? An unknown? Do you think "Scooby Doo" is that high up on the "don't-screw-up" list for Warners. They're out to make a quick buck. When they made the first "Batman" movie, they did it right so they could make more off of a huge franchise before screwing it all to hell. How many "Scooby Doo" films can you see in the future. Personally, I would like to see a different Fred but ya know, who would have thought that Ryan Phillipe would be a cool badass (let alone a good actor) but watch "Way of the Gun". Freddie might be a good Fred. Who knows? Don't count Lillard out. I personally thought he was awesome in "SLC Punk" and please don't say that he plays the same character every time because just look at Jack Nicholson and I haven't heard THAT many fanboys complain about his Joker.
Nov. 16, 2000, 11:57 p.m. CST
Do people actually think Scooby-Doo was a great cartoon worthy of Hollywood's best efforts and casting? Let's face it, it was a lame, cheesy cartoon that only got lamer with the addition of the succubus known as Scrappy. If Kevin Smith would have helmed it with Jason Lee as Shaggy and Ben Affleck as Fred, it may have been somewhat decent, but oh well...A a stupid cartoon deserves a movie equivalent with hack writers and directors with bad actors. "Oh, accept the pain, Frank."
Nov. 17, 2000, 12:05 a.m. CST
Jesus Christ...it's just another stupid movie! If you really care about something so stupid as a live-action Scooby-Doo movie then you have some problems. You know, Harry...the more I read your reviews the more I think that you are a total dork-in-the-pocket-of-the-you-know-whos. This is a list of the movies you've raved about recently: PERFECT STORM: holy shit what a chunk of soggy drivel. BLAIR WITCH 2: it must feel weird to see the ads for this movie and the only critical praises they can muster are YOURS. ME, MYSELF AND IRENE: you definitely overreacted in your praise for this mediocre motherfucker. It looked like it was made in 1986. HOLLOW MAN: God, how can you call yourself a movie buff and buy shit like this? And then tell all of us how good it is? I feel bad for Kevin Bacon having to endure all that SFX hell, but even worse for him that it was all in vain for a piece of shit hack job. THE 6TH DAY: oh. Please. Had a good time? You are SO getting paid to say that. When was the last time anyone had an HONEST GOOD TIME at an Arnold movie? Without laughing? PITCH BLACK: wow. I have no idea what could have possessed you to enjoy and DEFEND this derivative waste of come. I guess I could go on...but my question is this: how can you be in the pockets of the majors and praise their junkiest flicks and then denounce a doomed from the start project as ridiculous as the "Scooby-Doo" movie? I can only surmise that you get off on being able to see movies before everybody else and this makes them seem better. And lately it seems that meeting the actual directors of these films dorks you out to blissful infinity. Something tells me that a year from now you'll be gabbing on and on how much Matthew Lillard unexpectedly won you over as Shaggy. Hopefully nobody will believe you. You are already calling too much attention to something that means nothing. Oh Jesus...I forgot about that fucking Flintstones "prequel"...thanks a lot, Harry.
Nov. 17, 2000, 12:07 a.m. CST
by Planet Zac
Why not make a movie out a good cartoon like Thundercats? how about a live action GI Joe: Real American Hero? I want a damn Transformers CGI movie. the original was camp classic, but I want one with balls!
Nov. 17, 2000, 12:10 a.m. CST
Hey Santa , said Tommy Tot, Let me show you a neat trick, Then Tommy Tot turned around And my Goodness! Mooned Saint Nick Who would have thought Nick Foley would have such poetry in him.
Nov. 17, 2000, 12:27 a.m. CST
You're fretting over something that doesn't yet exist. Even if the flick is a mess you'll still have the *many* episodes of the original cartoon to enjoy. Lighten up.
Nov. 17, 2000, 12:32 a.m. CST
by Roger U. Roundly
Yep, I saw action in that campaign, under a different, more controvesial, alias (such is my wont). I think Dan Rather, Circa anti-ballistic trenchcoat, is in here somewhere, leaning into the wind. As I think about the casting, I get more and more encouraged. Prinze is gay enough to play neckerchief proponent Fred, The Cranially luscious Ricci is perfect for Naomi Wolf..ummm..Velma!, I mean Velma. The translucent Sarah Michelle *mandatory *SIGH* Gellar will not offend me as Dapnne, Or Napolean or JESUS, for that Matter. Lillard as "Raggy" could work, if..he goes and lives with Woody Harrelson for a coupla munths before shooting starts. As for the current supposed script, as reviewed by STAX, it sounds like fresh, ripe Tripe. Post Modern Irony is getting sooooooo......tiiiiiired. It sounds like GALAXY QUEST, but it's basing it's hook on an audience awareness which, unlike the ever present archetypes of GALAXY QUEST, cannot be exploited in a way which is anything other than a pure re-visitation of what we love about classic Scoobes! I have had it up to my Fucking nostrils with self-referencial crap,which started to play itself out right after Lillard explained the "Rules". It was him, right? or was it my armpit?. Filmic "Irony" comes in cycles, evry fifteen years or so. That's why we laugh at it for a coupla years each cycle, cuz it feeds on itself, on the ghosts of ironies past. Scoobes should have the same feel as INDY, *Dry Humour*, instead of some poxy post-modern contribance. We should be visiting Mystery.Inc during their hey-day, and not in some "meaningful" re-union, lets-work-out-our-contrived-referencial-differences-in-A-spectularly-point-missing-disstilation-of-the-true-Scooby-Orio's-and-listen-for-the-ice-cream-man-spirit!, kinda way. (G_A_S_P!). WOW, I just meant to post something glib and Lillardscriptyesque, Scoobes just ZOINKED a big essay outa me! I better go, I got a funny feelin about old-man Smithers...
Nov. 17, 2000, 1:07 a.m. CST
by Roger U. Roundly
I Could live with the current cast, *If* Prinze Ex-Foliates for a month or so, and gets a decent dye-job. And, if they go with a decent script. A Scoobes script, not a "SCREAM! IF YOU KNOW WHAT SCOOBY DID LA$T QUARTER", kinda thing. I can live with Lillard. And, as far as Prance..umm..Prinze! I mean Prinze, goes : Anyone who can get within drooling distance of Buffy is my hero! I dreamof Wynona shall from this day forth, be known as:I dreamof Buffy (must we not evolve?)
Nov. 17, 2000, 1:52 a.m. CST
by Andy Travis
Just my two-cents.
Nov. 17, 2000, 2:18 a.m. CST
I signed up for Talk Back just so I could comment on this. I cannot believe the RAGE I feel towards those involved in making this movie. I have been a Scooby fan since I can remember, and proudly display collectibles around my dorm room DESPITE others calling it juvenille. I put Scooby before my own self respect. Now about this "film". First of all, Freddie Prinze Jr.? No. Yes, he has Freddy's dead eyes and dumb demeanor hidden behind a thin veneer of intelligence, but Freddie Prinze Jr. isn't actually ACTING if he plays Freddy, just being himself. Second - Matthew Lillard? Shaggy is a stoner, not a crank fiend. Christ, get Tom Green or something, he could do all the eating and running around like a coward and communicating with a talking Great Dane in a much more entertaining fashion than Matthew Lillard could dream of. Sarah Michelle Gellar will do okay as Daphne, but I am sure there were better choices. I tremble in fear with who they will choose to play Thelma. The only way they could make this movie any worse is by adding Scrappy Doo to the story. Oh, god, I hope that doesn't give them any ideas!
Nov. 17, 2000, 2:34 a.m. CST
Holy Crap...Right on Harry.
Nov. 17, 2000, 4:03 a.m. CST
Harry, time you backed off a little... remember when you told us all that "Godzilla" was the best film of the year ? yeah, well once again you are up your own arse.. Matthew Lillard is actually one of the more interesting young actors out there, witness "Dead mans curve"... Let me guess here, Warners didn't ask you to appear in "Scooby Doo" and thats why you're pissed off ? Grow up a little Harry...everybody slagged off Warners back in late 88 for casting Keaton as Batman, look how that turned out... take a chill pill Harry... Johnny
Nov. 17, 2000, 4:32 a.m. CST
Guys, look. Harry is a *fan* of movies. He's not an art-house obsessee, he's not a film critic that maybe 2% of the entire nation actually agrees with, he does not get caught up in cinematography and debates over who the key grip operator should be -- though he could -- he is a MOVIE FAN. Simply put. He just happens to be, through years and years of watching films, vastly more educated than the average fan. Yet his tastes, for the most part, reflect those of the everyman. True, some movies he likes, or even knows of, are a bit too artsy for my tastes, but every time he reviews a movie, I pay attention. Why? Because I agree with the man 99% of the time. I've learned to avoid spoilers as well as he's learned to alert all of us of them. He's not holier-than-thou; he's royally pissed off because a movie he, I, Moriarty, my friend Jeremy, the 40-year-old guy in the cafeteria who keeps the ice bins full, and I'd wager just about any regular visitor to this site was just incredibly eager to see if/when it would be done. But Scooby won't be done in the Scooby Dooby Doo cheesy-bad style that made everybody love the cartoon; it will be bad in an "I Know What You Did Last Summer In A Wet T-Shirt" kind of bad. Yes, it has Sarah Michelle Gellar in it, and yes, a CGI Scooby is the best choice. But let's be realistic here, people. Freddy Prinze Jr. as Freddy? There is no reason to base Warner Bros.' decision on picking him other than some flawed logic that says "Hey, he's got the same name as the character! Most Freddy's are probably alike!" After seeing Prinze appear in movies (I refuse to call what he does "acting"), I am loathe to have him even have a cameo, or even be key grip operator. Now, then, while I can maybe see some flawed logic in choosing him.....I see no such redeeming glimmer of hope in choosing Matt Lillard. Honestly, what has he ever done to even be considered to be Shaggy? Does he look like Shaggy? A bit, yeah, he's tall and gangly. So is Larry Bird. But he's young. OK then, Ashton Kutcher from That 70s Show (and by the by, I sure hope "Dude, Where's My Car?" is as funny as the previews make it look). Or David Flair from WCW. Hell, Michael Meyers woulda been a better pick. Either Michael Meyers woulda: Austin Powers or horror villain with kabuki mask. Or how about a REALLY good idea, and go with.......DUSTIN DIAMOND?!?!?! I mean, come ON, if there was a man born to play Shaggy, he's it in the modern era. Bob Denver was born to play Maynard G. Krebbs, who was concieved to be emulated (read: some ripping-off) as Shaggy, who had a great voice from Casey Kasem, but who was drawn with the idea that, 3 decades later, Dustin Diamond could step in and not just voice, but BE Shaggy. These two choices of WB are asinine, Harry knows it, you know it. Scooby is being cheapened to a typical teen flick, which means, invariably, it will SUCK. People will go there the first weekend, drawn on the name power of (a) Scooby Doo (that would be FANS of the show), and/or (b) Prinze and Gellar (that would be fans of her tits and his face). This cheapening is sickening to me, and if you were a fan of the show, I feel like you would be sickened by it too. This is not how Scooby Doo deserves to be treated. This was not how Inspector Gadget deserved to be treated. Nor Batman slowly degraded. WB is going to have such a fat, stinking pile of shit on their hands, that after the first weekend, they'll try to get everyone to forget the movie ever existed, yet still buy figurines from the movie (a strategy I never understood). I can't see how this movie will be good. I feel like I've had a really big hole ripped straight from my soul. And I'm fairly close to the run-of-the-mill media junky. Harry, well, he's exponentially beyond r-o-t-m, so I'd imagine we're dealing with tears in the space-time continuum within his cerebellum. Repeatedly. Harry is not self-righteous. He's not always right, either. He's a fan. And when he said that the fans of the show would band together and boycott the movie or whatever he said to that effect (I don't feel like going back and finding the exact quote at this moment), he wasn't appealing to everyone that comes to this site. He was referring to the people who grew up not just liking, but LOVING Scooby Doo. Who watched religiously, even with the cheap, 1.5-minute scientific explanations and cheap unmaskings. Who laughed with glee every time Shag and Scoob raided the fridge. Who wanted a meteor to go "SPLAT!" on Scrappy. (He sucked, no arguments possible.) In short, he was talking about the people the movie should have been made for, who would have spent however much of their paycheck they could have afforded to see it as many times as possible. Instead, they'll have a one-weekend-trick pony, and it'll have no lasting power. Some fans of the show will go to see it, hoping to find something worthy of the show to cling to. But if this proceeds....I sure as hell won't. You don't wanna crusade with Harry, you don't have to. But you don't have to see the movie if you don't like the casting, either. I could go on and on about the director and the script and so forth, but Harry summed it up in his rant, and this is getting long, and I'm tired, nite nite.
Nov. 17, 2000, 5:27 a.m. CST
I mean really, you poor guys ! If the Scooby-doo movie means so much to you, GET A LIFE ! It's still supposed to be entertainment. For all you scooby-doo worshippers, GET LAID !
Nov. 17, 2000, 7:45 a.m. CST
Any idea where I can find the original, supposedly brilliant, script? __________ for all those wanting a Battle of the Planets film, go rent the Gatchaman OAV's (Urban Vision release) from Blockbuster. ___________ ok, who screwed up this talkback?
Nov. 17, 2000, 7:55 a.m. CST
PLEASE. If you can't speak up about Rocky/Bullwinkle, it's too late to speak up now.
Nov. 17, 2000, 2:17 p.m. CST
I guess they have to make a certain quota of films or they don't get financed. Some good, most shit. Any live action crap made out of a crappy cartoon will suck large amounts of coagulated sperm out of a dead man's dick. At least I didn't say Dead Man's Gun. Everything by Warner has sucked. Mostly the crap they are feeding kids on T.V. A fucking shame. They don't realize that the money train does not roll forever, and that it will stop once people stop watching tripe like saved by the bell and charles in charge. Sorry Chatcheeeeeee. Whoever thinks this 3rd rate cartoon merits a live-action movie can all eat my ass. Is there anything on this planet that can be improved upon? lets say throwing out the old scooby and scrappy shite and add some good animation that is more than 3 frames per second, and some really interesting backgrounds? I have waited a long fucking time for the x-men cartoons to happen. They didn't because I was bombarded by Snaggletooth and that fucking aligaor. Exit stage left crap. Why did shit like that ever get into syndication? Nothing new was never made. Fuck the super friends as well. I kept trying to find out why, on a Saturday, the t.v. guide would say that Spider Woman was on, but when i dialled the channel all I got was football!!!!! I wanted to scream. Fuck all those old cartoons, and lets hope all their dead-end cartoon ideas go to the grave with them all. MOve aside and let younger people try it out. I hate syndication. Who needs to see all in the family any more? Meathead?
Nov. 17, 2000, 5:12 p.m. CST
Not that Knowles is not absolutely correct, but had he been just a tad more to the point, minus about 2/3's of the expletives, a more affirmative outpouring he most surely would have had. And btw, I can think of far greater bastardizations of pop culture, literture and otherwise, by HWood to rant about, than Scooby Doo.
Nov. 17, 2000, 9:19 p.m. CST
I agree with those defending Harry's vitriol. That is what makes this site worthwhile - his unbridled ardor for his job. I also agree, however, with those criticizing him for lambasting Prinze and Lillard. They're not terrible. BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHT FOR THIS MOVIE. They don't look right. That is an important point, because the characters were so simple, their looks are their most important feature. And a big makeup job would be distracting because we KNOW what the actors really look like and would be distracted, sitting wondering why they didn't just hire more appropriate performers. And though they're not talentless hacks, they're not outstanding, and a SCOOBY DOO movie will need more skilled actors to bring it to life (that is to say, it'll need all the help it can get). Some say, "The little kids won't notice," but a movie this expensive presumably is not just aimed at little kids. Besides, when those urchins grow up wouldn't it be nice if they could look back on this with affection rather than embarrassment?
Nov. 18, 2000, 1:57 a.m. CST
Dats all I have to say. No organic web shooters on spidey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 18, 2000, 2:30 a.m. CST
God that shit was sweeet.
Nov. 18, 2000, 2:36 a.m. CST
Nov. 18, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST
Although this TalkBack has now become unreadable I offer this reply in the hope that you may see it. Your reply dthorne was measured and commendable, and it is not my intention to load more meaning into your words than you intended. However, I still take exception to the assertion that "The 'supernatural world' is a fiction created by mankind," an assertion that has no scientific basis whatsoever; and it was dthorne that appealed to science. The fact that dthorne did not use the term "proof" is irrelevant; I could just as easily have said "evidence." You can say if you like that "there is no evidence that a supernatural world exists" (an assertion I would flatly deny BTW), but it could be the case that a supernatural world exists but is not the kind of thing that can ever be subjected to scientific method. The next question, of course, is what reason we might ever have for actually thinking that was the case. But as dthorne said a Scooby-Doo TalkBack probably isn't the best forum for that discussion. Peace out, SDG
Nov. 18, 2000, 7:03 p.m. CST
i was surprised that anyone could muster up the time and energy to write such a long, pompous rant about something as inconsequential as the Scooby-Doo movie. then i remembered that Mr. Knowles is writing from austin, TX, the pointless nostalgia capitol of the universe. i hope that someday someone on this site will get hot under the collar about something that has genuine artistic merit.
Nov. 18, 2000, 10:02 p.m. CST
Crud! Why didn't I see this talkback sooner!! Now I'm stuck all the way down here. Anyway does anyone remember some 10 yrs ago when Neil Gaiman did that BROTHER POWER THE GEEK comic book and people were bewildered he'd want to revive what was often considered the worst comic character in history? But it turned out to be GOOD. And reading it gives a kind of thrill that not even Art Spiegelman at his greatest can provide - the thrill of seeing trash transformedinto treasure. That's what it would be like to have a GOOD SCOOBY DOO MOVIE. Especially since the cartoon series was trash we LoVED. I hope Harry erupts again on this subject soon so I can post more on this without getting the bends.
Nov. 19, 2000, 4:54 p.m. CST
I must respectfully disagree with Regiggii's comments above. I think Prinze and Lillard are OK performers but, they don't really look like their characters and their ability is only adequate. To bring this cheesy cartoon to real life you need actors with as much skill as posssible. Yes Scooby Doo is simple and fun but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try their best. Like someone else said here, otherwise why make it? What if Walt Disney, heaping money on SNOW WHITE had said "Screw it it's just a simple fun cartoon" and turned out something like a 70minute version of FLOWERS AND TREES, which is no more than what most people expected? Speaking of Snow White, I'd be less bothered by a bad movie of her or King Lear because those are such respected characters there will always be more movies made of them to counter the bad ones, but it isn't like that with ScoobyDoo. This will likely be the ONLY movie we get of him. I think that's why Harry is so upset. You know how movies affect your perception of a character. If it's bad...yes the cartoon was cheesy and technically bad but it had an innocence about it that could be besmirched forever. And Im sure Harry knows there are more important things than Scooby, but there are lots of people sticking up for those more important things. You can go a billion places on the net to vent about the election mess but this is just about the only place to vent about the Scooby mess. Since nobody else is complaining to Warners Harry feels like it's all on his shoulders. Last but not least, why should we thank Warners? I would rather much rather have no Scooby movie than a bad one, if they hadn't planned this I'm sure some other studio eventually would have. Besides, they're doing it to make money. If they let us in FREE I might thank them.
Nov. 20, 2000, 11:10 a.m. CST
I undestand it is just a cartoon and you shouldn't have high expectations. I undestand that you should have a social life outside of movies and this movie was never ment as an oscar But comer on guys isn't a sucky movies still a sucky movie. It the movies sucks then it ok to say so. Sure reviewer went a little ntus back there but hey that his stlyke I'm tired of reveiws and audience putting on the kinds gloves when reviewing. If you think the moive sucks be honest about and say it blows Sure I undserstand some movies are tounge and cheeks stup but some movies are just stupit Saying it stupite doesn't mena you don't have the life. Althought it could but it coulds also mean the mvoies truly does suck Maybe telling them is suck will maybe get thme to make a better mvoies. I understand its scooby doo but dmamit they should at least put an effor or something Sure the only fanbys will be this picky but that is HUGE part of thier target audience. Don't you want to make you target audience happy . Sure the show may suck but if you think it uskc then why mkae the movies Give it to someone who like the shows. I'm not even a big scooby doo fan but danget a scuky movies is a sucky movie no matter how you look at it Sure I think people get a little off abse when the call for the actors death but that doesn't change the fact it a sucky casting Will Scooby doo movie eefect my lif.e The answer is no but it a very good change it will suck
Nov. 28, 2000, 7:09 p.m. CST
have you actually read James Gunn's Scooby-Doo? Have you, harry? Has anyone there actually read it? I have. And it's really, REALLY funny. From Scooby and Shaggy hanging out like Rastafarians (funny marijuana jokes) to the bad guys turning goth kids into preppies (ballsy Columbine jokes) to the gay jokes about Fred (hey, the guy wears an ascot), it's a blast. Add to the jokes kick ass action and you got a nice little script. As for Gosnell, who knows. we'll see. but gunn did his job pretty damn well...
Dec. 2, 2000, 10:54 a.m. CST
I used to find Harry amusing... what a freaking spaz. And Hollywood is threatened by him?
Dec. 2, 2000, 2:17 p.m. CST
by Palmer Eldritch
Maybe not, but whadaya want to bet she ends up
Dec. 2, 2000, 2:18 p.m. CST
by Palmer Eldritch
Maybe not, but whadaya want to bet she ends up wearing black leather and kicking butt Kung Fu style? JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MOVIE BEING RELEASE AND MADE RIGHT NOW! She has to -
Dec. 2, 2000, 3:56 p.m. CST
The show was a slosh pile of crap. After the first viewing its ok, then they repeat almost the same dialog, have hack guests, and have the same damn plot in almost the same place (something abandoned). WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? A good movie full of action and drama! No, we will get a slosh pile of a movie, I for one think they where SMART to cast Freddie prince jr. The way maybe at LEAST they will attract mindless little girls to come get horny watching Freddie Prince Jr. try to act smart. They are trying to make money...And higher unholy teeny bobber actors may be the only way to do it! Even science is against this movie! Just use deduction reasoning "Scooby Craptastic lot of crap: Scooby movie even worse long crapless lot of crap" Just look what happened with Inspector Gadget!!! Its a perfect example of what happens when you take a plotless cartoon and make it into a movie. CRAP! Josie and Pussy cats is gonna be the same way... Frankly, I'd rather watch "Alien: resurrection"Again then another episode of Scooby... that's saying a lot!
Dec. 2, 2000, 4:10 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2000, 4:50 a.m. CST
I'm still trying to get my head 'round that one. I figure Scooby will be next year's "Rocky and Bullwinkle".
Dec. 3, 2000, 12:48 p.m. CST
Yes, I can see it now. Scooby Doo is going to have a nipple piercing scene. Thank you, James Gunn.
Dec. 4, 2000, 9:03 a.m. CST
When Harry throws his toys out the pram, everyone knows it don't they? Hold on, I have a few gripes: AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! MSci Maths and Stats is difficult! AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Scooby Doo was NEVER that great! AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Lots of films are bad! AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Woooooooooooooow. There, I feel a lot better now.
Dec. 4, 2000, 11:05 a.m. CST
by Darth Grego
Jesus, Harry, enjoy your coronary. it's just Scooby Doo, man! I can sympathize tho - Scooby to you must be like "Star Wars" was/is to me. Hey Harry, we "SW" fans were down this road already last year, so take some advice from us: when they churn out a bubbling pile of shit that bears no relation, as far as you can tell, to what you remembered the original to be, just IGNORE IT. Maybe the movie going public will exercise some taste, this garbage will tank, and Warners will get the message. Just ignore it, Harry. As far as I'm concerned, there's still only a trilogy of "SW" films.
Dec. 4, 2000, 3:35 p.m. CST
I can understand being pissed off about a sacred piece of childhood being pissed all over on by the studios. I hated the last two Batman movies with a passion that terrified my fellow fanboys. They were scared I'd make good on my threats and really castrate Joel Schumaker and kill his son, so his genes wouldn't pollute humanity. Joel, you're still not safe, and I'm learning kung-fu. Heh, heh, heh. Anyway, I think you're overreacting. Scooby Doo may be a part of your childhood, but it does suck. I do think Lillard is a bad casting choice, because Shaggy is a thirtyish stoner hanging with these kids because they feed him. Kevin Bacon, man.
July 25, 2001, 4:59 p.m. CST
why? first they ruined Josie and the pussycats, i was looking so foreward to that movie until i saw the previews, and i didn't bother to go see it, it had nothing to do with the cartoon! i know people are probably going to say stuff about the comic, but the cartoon was far superior to it. i mean come on, both casey kasem(alexander)and don messick(sebastian) from scooby doo fame were in it. that';s why it was so good. but now they've casted crap actors for scooby doo! matthew lillard looks nothing at all like shaggy, heck, that ashton kutcher guy would have made a better shaggy! and even though i've always disleked fred for some weird reason, freddy prinze jr. makes me despise him even more, he's creepy looking. i've never heard of the actress who plays velma, but she looks nothing at all like her. and sarah michelle gellar as daphne, puhlease, i'm so sick of her, she even said herself she wouldn't ever play in a disney type movie because of her other "sophisticated, intellectual roles". so i'm not a happy camper. i'm so sick of people turning kick ass cartoons into shit live movies. who are they going to ruin next? fat albert? speed racer? the jetsons? also, i don't get how the rating on the scooby movie is apparantly rated R for drug use, violence, corse language, sexuality, and drug use. i don't really remember any of that in the cartoon now do you? okay, i'm done my rant.
Jan. 26, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST
I thought that was a more recent addition... like '02 or so... but what do I know...