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David Fincher and T3''' Has the world gone wacky'
Hey folks, Harry here... TvGuide.Com is reporting that David Fincher is directing TERMINATOR 3. And they say it in a sort of OFFHAND paranthetical that makes me wonder.... IS THE WORLD ON CRACK? Now, I know that Fincher has been wanting to make a science fiction film.... BUT... this script needs major work... and if this story isn't a ton of malarky (and the article has new quotes from Arnold in place), then I have to hope that Fincher brings on Andrew Kevin Walker to punch that script into shape QUICK!!!
However, if I were you... DON'T BUY THIS STORY TILL YOU SEE FINCHER TALKING ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE!!! Fincher with T3 would just about rule the world... BUT ONLY WITH A BETTER SCRIPT!!! Man... exciting rumor... RUMOR R-U-M-O-R!!!! Talk atcha'll l8r
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Don't knock crock, Harry, mein little dompling until you hab tried id. You vill see me schmoking some crock und goink to der chym in mein latest schequel PUHMPING IRON: DER CHERITOL YEAHS. Ob course, should mein gut freund Chorge "Duhbuyuh" Busch get elected, I vill buy op all prints of der film under pretends dat wasn't me und I nevah inhaled der crock. Zo, all ob you kids ged ouht und vote. Und don't do druhgs, onless you tink it vill make you look cool.
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I think Fincher pumping up the T3 franchise would be just as good as any of the Scott Bros. and actually would start a trend along with Cronnenberg working on Basic Instinct 2! I never understood why people hated Aliens 3 so much (i mean, it's better than Alien Ressurection!), so If this is true, I believe that at least VISUALLY, we'll have a kick ass film!
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No more Arnold no more Stallone.
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T3 without Cameron WAS unthinkable, but Fincher...yeah. Maybe. I mean, Cameron DID rip off the idea from an old episode of the Outer Limits written by Harlan Ellison, so it's not like it's HIS baby completely. Yeah, Fincher would be cool. But I'll believe it when I see Arnie floggin' it to death.
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the only thing that I would be remotely interested that involves Arnold Schwarzeneggar is KING CONAN...and only if he plays an older mature CONAN and it's done by the same players as the original. And for those that don't think I have a life, playing the "I'M FIRST!" game.... I got internet access at work, so while I make the big money I get to goof off occasionaly ;P
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Nov 13, 2000 4:00:16 PM CST
I can't believe it...say it ain't so, FIncher. SAY IT AIN'T SO!
by tedcwilliams
Fincher? Doing T3? Oh, say it ain't so, Fincher...
I think it'll be a better with him at the helm, but I can't believe that Fincher, who has made some great gems in the past decade, would pick to do the third instalment of this dying franchise. Then again, he did direct Alien 3, and he did make that quite good...
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It's been too long, forget about it, move on....let Arnie make "Doc Savage" while he can still look impressive in a torn shirt and jodphurs. If he gets much older, his tits'll sag and he'll just look silly.
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First off, this is more than likely some misinformation given to the "gossip" section of the web site. If it does end up being true, though, remember that Fincher's Alien 3 was when that franchise went downhill. Kind of an eerie coincidence... Alien 3, Terminator 3. Whatever. Adios.
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If this is true, I'll translate Mailer's ANCIENT EVENINGS into Greek.
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Nov 13, 2000 4:31:39 PM CST
You people probably think Fincher could a remake of Gone With th
by docsisx
yes, he is a good director, I personally loved Alien 3, Seven, The Game, and especially Fight Club, but his style would not fit in with the other two installments...it would simply clash...and that is all we are looking for right? A sequel that can equal the other two. Someone like Peter Hyamm or Ridely Scott wouldn't drift too far off into their own distinctive styles but Fincher...its too much of a risk.
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I could give a shit about T3 but Fincher is another story. Fincher is responsible for the greatest guy film ever made. I sincerely doubt that he'd work with a shit script. If he takes over this, I'm there.
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Now, I'm not saying that T3 will be anything special. I'm not even saying it will be good. BUT JUTS WAIT FOR A SECOND TO MAKE AN OPINION! I hear people bitch about movies in the planning stages, when really, how much to we know? Everyone said "X-men will suck!". But (in my opinion) it was pretty good. The point is, don't rush to judgement. You just look like an obsessed fanboy idiot afterwards.
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First off...a Terminator movie without Cameron?! Terminator was his damn idea! he sould be the only one to touch those movies! Wow...here is an idea..Van Damn (or how ever you spell his damn name) is out of work..lets put him in the movie also! oh yeah! Arnold v.s. Van Damn! 2x's the sucking power! What was the last good movie that Arnold was in? and I'm not even going to bring up Van Damn! The movie is going to suck..ok..T1 and T2 rocked..they just about covered everything that they could..let the series die a good death! Don't pull a fuckin Highlander on us! The pain needs to stop!
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Nobody e-mail me about the spelling errors. I was rushed!
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With Fred C. Norris as the "King Of Mars" and John Vernon as "The Mayor."
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Fincher is a good director, no bones about it. But look at Alien 3, a franchise. Fincher was directing with the studio looking over his shoulder. He had his hands tied while directing that film. He didnt like the script anyway. Now think T3.....franchise & studios, if he has sense he will stick to making the great films he has brought us after Alien 3. By the way, bar the final scene in Alien 4, I think Alien 4 is great.
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Fincher wasn't already behind schedule in shooting Panic Room. I doubt they would want to start a film so close to the supposed strike date. And it would be only entertaining if they could have John Connor and Kyle Reese go at it Fight Club style. "But dude, you gotta screw my mom or I'm history."
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Yes, make it so. A crowd of steel humanoids start an underground fight circut which eventually all the other Terminators want to join (to find some purpose in thier meaningless lives other than just exterminating humans). Seriously though I believe that if David Fincher makes this film it probably won't be the best film of the series...but it'll damn well be the scariest.
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Terminator was not like the crappy episode of The Outer Limits you speak of, "Demon with a Glass Hand." The people from the future chased the hero, who turned out to be an android into the past because he had the human race stored in his hand. Terminator is a killing machine sent back to the past to kill the mother of the leader of a revolt against the machines and it is the hero who chases the bad guy, not the other way around. Harlan Ellison is nothing but a washed up hack who was just trying to steal the credit for an original idea...this Teminator/Outer Limits comparison fucking pisses me off because if there was any conection, then a court of law would not have ruled the way they did. Aw, hell, screw this whole Terminator 3 thing anyway...the second movie had closure, why the hell do they need a third other than trying to create a cash cow? No wonder Cameron is not involved with it...
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(1) fincher could use a hit that would allow him to make movies like 'fight club' with minimal interference from the suits. 'T3' could be that hit. (2) fincher's currently preparing 'the panic room'. will he have time to take on 'T3' as well? (3) the producer (kassar? vajna? i can't tell 'em apart) of 'T3' is also the producer of 'basic instinct 2'. in an amazingly tasteful move, david cronenberg is in negotiations to direct 'BI2'. could this producer be showing some good taste by hiring skilled directors rather than bruckheimer cast-offs? (4) as far as i can tell, this producer has a deal to distribute 'T3' and 'BI2' through MGM. to the best of my knowledge, john mctiernan, previously mentioned as a potential 'T3' director, has some kind of deal with MGM where they were offering him remake rights on many of their movies (see 'the thomas crown affair' and 'rollerball'). (5) even though the president's car had already passed the book depository, the shot from oswald's rifle sent kennedy's head back and to the left. back and to the left. sorry, wrong talkback. (conclusion) while fincher would be a cool-ass choice as 'T3' director, i get the feeling they're gonna go with mctiernan.
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Harry, what's the fuckin deal with your governor? Is this guy a nut or what? TA-DOW!
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Nov 13, 2000 6:25:41 PM CST
Ok, I just re-watched Alien 3 yesterday, and I gotta say it was
by tall_boy
I just gotta get this off my chest and this seems like a good forum. This isn't a swearing capital filled rant, but its pretty in-depth so try to take it in. Now, let me say, straight up that ALIENS is one of, if not THE FAVORITE movie of mine. Its a masterpiece, James Cameron's finest that won't ever be topped by anything else he does. Terminators and Titanic included. It is amazing. Period. Now, Alien 3 DOES commit the terrible sin of pointlessly killing off the characters who survived ALIENS, and that is a demerit in its end for sure. This is a stupid, dumbass decision and totally negates the climax of the third one (in the context of the third movie, that is. The end of ALIENS on its own is perfect) This is a strike against it, and a pretty fuckin' big one too. Now, its hard to do, but separate that part from the rest of the film. . .I know you can, just forget about it. The first five minutes don't exist, alright? (even though the opening title sequence is excellently cut) Taking the rest of the film on its own, Fincher's directorial flare definitely shines through the picture. The lighting and his exquisite use of shadows are all there. (its not as good as the style of SEVEN or FIGHT CLUB, but is a lot better then the rest) The man can really frame a shot to maximum potential (even if the beginning "rumor control" sequence can make you a bit seasick with all of its pans and swoops. Cool touch, but I think Fincher was just trying to show off his style). And also, Fincher has one of the most interesting shots in the Alien series, those funky Alien POV climbing all of the walls and ceiling, that stuff is a cool as hell. Heck, even the music is particularly stirring at times (check out the "I ain't much for beggin!" speech) Now, there's no denying that Fincher's directorial style really shows in this picture (even if he overlays on the browns at times, heck, you can say SEVEN was heavy on shadows too). Now, lets look at the script and performances, and THOSE were actually fairly decent too. Weaver turns in a performance that is as good as the superb work she did in ALIENS, you can see her trying to latch onto the hope that Bishop II provides her at the end, and the part when she finds out she's impregnated with the queen and her reaction is done particulary well. The supporting players are all pretty decent too, Clemens, the warden, and particularity a rather baddass performance by Charles S. Dutton. Like the first 2 movies, the acting is really good and manages to transcend the sometimes less then high-end written materiel. Heck at times, there's even touches of David Finchers black humor here and there (the poor sap who has to mop the floor after the superintendent is pulled up is pretty funny) NOW, the question is this, why do people have a problem with it? Well, first of all, it is REALLY dark, even for an Alien movie, and Fincher's sometimes bleak style can see to suffocating, not allowing any cathartic triumph or release (ala the defeat of the Queen at the end of ALIENS) so people just left the movie bummed. Personally, I don't mind a trip to the dark side now and then. I like to feel unsettled. Second: hampering about how the egg got onto the Sulaco or how it impregnated 2 carriers? All I say is, give it a rest. fergit it. How's this, its a queen egg, so the facehugger can be used twice, once for the queen, and once for a drone to protect her. Third, living up to ALIENS. Well, this movie doesn't do it. Quite simply, I don't think anything could. So it tries for something different (it was better then trying to rehash the first one, ala William Gibson's ALIEN 3 first draft). Sure, it had script retooling up till the last minute and that does show at times, but you gotta give 'em balls for trying to strike out new and darker turf. Fourth, the killing of the characters from ALIENS. Dumbass move, I totally agree with it. Shouldn't have done. Very bad idea. . . .BUT, that shouldn't affect your viewing of the movie as a whole! Take the movie as a whole, its an interesting visual style, solid performances, and a lot more darker take make it standout. Personally, I think Ripley sacrificing herself to finally destroy the alien (yeah, TERMINATOR 2 CLIMAX ripoff, I know.) is a great way for her character to reach her end. I really think that ALIEN RESURRECTION is the true misstep in the series (who is that? its not Ripley, some freak. Newborn dog? Who cares?) but what I'm really trying to say this that FINCHER did a GOOD job with the flick and it REALLY doesn't deserve the bad rap that it gets. Look, at it this way: ALIENS is a five star movie, ALIEN 3 would be a three and a half. (Resurrection gets a two if I'm feeling generous). In the end, the flick COULDN'T have lived up to ALIENS, hell, I don't think anything could have done that, but its still a pretty solid, if MUCH darker, entry into the series. . .(sermon ended)
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the second rule is, you do NOT talk about T3!!! This franchise has grown beyond Arnie, as the Dark horse comic demostrates. Just make a dark sci fi masterpiece we need.
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I just think to myself: Please do The Black Dahlia right now! Since I first heard the rumours about Fincher doing it I haven't been able to sleep at night... The Black Dahlia directed by David Fincher would be the creepiest, extraordinariest (that's not even a word), bad ass movie ever made. No matter how brilliant Seven is it's still just a slow work out compared to The Black Dahlia done the Fincher way. So if anyone out there knows David... Please tell him to drop everything he's working on and give us the experience that movie would be.
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..... however, I'm told that the short list includes the following: Peter Hyams, Michael Bay (he has already assuaged the fears of the producers by taking a 5% cut in his normal salary, while the rest of the crew will work for minimum wage and like it,) Clint Eastwood, Kathryn Bigelow, Robert Redford, Peter Wier, Quentin Tarantino, John Woo, Ringo Lam, Tsui Hark, Ang Lee, Takeshi Kitano, Mike Leigh, Atom Egoyan (whose non-linear script made Mario Kassar cry..... out of confusion,) Lars Von Trier (who will happily eschew his no-frills Dogme '95 approach to embrace a new Payme '01, which will utilize every tool available in post, and a few not yet invented,) Stuart Gordon, Christopher Nolan, Dick Gregory, Ivan Reitman, John G. Avildsen, Michael Ritchie, Spike Lee, Terry Gilliam, Terry Jones, Michael Palin, John Cleese, Eric Idle, P.T. Anderson, Paul Anderson, Robert Townsend, Pete Townsend, Roger Daltry, Julian Temple, Alex Karras and Billy Wilder. There is also the possibility of Alison Anders winning the assignment, but only if every living human being in the entire world turns down the project first.
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A) He can't direct. Sorry, Harry, he has ONE good movie, and "The Game" isn't exactly a classic. He shouldn't be on T3. He shouldn't be allowed behind a camera.
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I'd just like to break from my usual mockery schtick, to say that Theta is a fucking moron. Just don't ever post to talkback again, and perhaps one day people will forget the time you proved to the world what a piss-poor comprehension of film you have. Every time you post will only serve as a reminder if the fact that you're borderline retarded. If ever you get into an argument about film, people will point to your past obtuseness as proof that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. If anyone takes you seriously at present -which I seriously doubt- rest assured that if they know film, they never will again. Find a good video store, and a library, and at least pretend to learn about film so that one day you can open your mouth without revealing yourself for the witless arse you really are. Go, and sin no more, you pathetic shit. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Harry, this would definitely not "rule the world". Doing third installments of tired franchises doesn't rule anything. If Fincher is going to do any more genre work, it should at least be with some new, original material, not this moneymaking crap. And that's all it is. For all Lucas' faults, at least his goal was to make a series of films. He didn't just suddenly decide it would be cool to revive a bunch of ghosts. Terminator 2 had a terrible and pandering screenplay, and aside from the SFX was infinitely inferior to the original. Why not have even younger kids in T3 and just let Spielberg direct it?
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Nov 13, 2000 10:02:06 PM CST
I seriously doubt Fincher will tag himself onto something so sim
by el duderino
By similar I mean the studios will probably handle T3 in the same manner, being very rushed and not allowing final cut or any priveleges to Fincher. But this would be so awesome if this was true, especially if there was a nuclear blast somewhere in the script... just to see that Fincherized...
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Out of the four films Fincher has made only one was a truley great film, and that would be Seven. I would call it a perfect film, but Brad Pitt (quite possibly one of the worst actors ever) gives one of his usual shitty performances. Oh, and by the way. Could somebody buy this guy a comb and a friggin' razor? And don't even bring up that crap frest Fight Club. It was very visually pleasing and, thanks to another brilliant performance from Edward Norton, it was passable, but lets face it, could there really have been a more contrived ending? I saw it coming at least halfway through the overly long movie!
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Hear that sound? It's the squeel of ten thousand bullshit detectors kicking into high gear. To paraphrase Public Enemy, Don't believe the hyperbole!
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but Fincher's ALIEN 3 was actually pretty damn good. It brought a great deal of style to the series, and is the most claustrophobic and scary of them.
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No, but see, I have firm sources that say with the $30 million box office of "Small Time Crooks", that Woody sees his opportunity to make an E-ticket blockbuster, with some of the themes he's fond of, as well as appearances by his repetory company. Is this total bull dust? Maybe, but I just finished my column for the day! Haha! See you suckers tomorrow! Reporting live from TV Guide...
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someone get me a kleenex...
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Finally, somebody who doesn't worship fight club. That movie is a piece of shit, a mere rip off of clockwork orange with absolutely no intellect or valuable social commentary. Seven is Fincher's only real film out of everything that he's done. The only thing he's been able to prove is that he's able to produce a slick visual style, as there is absolutely no substance to most of his films.
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Fight Club was the dumbest movie ever. I Had to sit through two hours just for that dumb ass ending. The guy ends up being the other guys imaginary friend, gimme a fuckin break.
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...just imagine what Fincher could have done with a semi-decent script. Vincent Ward's original ideas were much darker and interesting that anything that made it to the screen. Alien3 is a good movie trapped inside a mediocre one. At times there is some really good stuff, and Weaver's performance is excellent, but it just doesn't quite hang together, although it's a great look at Fincher's developing style. Now as for this T3 stuff...gotta be BS.
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Here is Fincher's track record, for anyone still reading:
Beat of the Live Drum: Never saw it, but it had Rick Springfield. Must have sucked.
Alien 3: Kind of scary looking but no where near as dark or tense as the Fincher worshipers here would have you believe.
Repetitive and at times goofy. And it was hard to tell most of the bald British guys apart.
Aerosmith: Big Ones You Can Look At: Another music thing I didn't see.
Seven (Se7en): Awesome. Nothing bad to say here.
The Game: Exellent conspiracy type movie. Loved the whold damn thing. Had style coming out of it's ass, a great story and great actors.
Fight Club: After the first time I was underwhelmed. After subsequent viewings I loved it and consider it in the top ten films of the 90's. I am a little against calling it the ultimate "guy" movie because to anyone actually paying attention and not just saying "cool, that guy got his ass kicked," then the whole point of the movie was anti the behavior shown.
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...wouldn't it be something to see Fincher ruin yet another successful James Cameron sequel? Screw Fincher--after Alien 3, I could care less. McFly<--
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Nov 14, 2000 7:42:24 AM CST
PAUL THOMAS ANDERSON IS DIRECTING T3 - OH MY FUCKING GOD!
by cruel shoes
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You're right about FIGHT CLUB improving on repeat viewings. I liked the movie the first time I saw it, but it wasn't until the second and third time that I really began to appreciate it. The movie becomes a lot better once you know about the twist, and Helena Bonham Carter's character actually becomes tragic - as opposed to annoying, which she appears to be the first time you watch the movie. I also agree with your statement on Project Mayhem. It's powerful stuff but it can't match the more subtle social criticism of the first hour. If the second half of the movie hadn't gone off the rails so badly, FIGHT CLUB would have been an awesome flick. As it is, it's merely very good.
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Palahnuik said that Fincher's next film would have to be mainstream because Fincher wants to make a film based on a short made by his dad which was about the guy who produced Citizen Kane. Now this is has to be a a much more direct route into the big time, hence something like Panic Room or T3 or Spiderman...
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No Jimmy Cameron. No Linda Hamilton. A failing megastar and an annoying little nobody. Hm, let me see, will this bomb or will this make a hundred million dollars? Hmmm - "In case you hadn't noticed, I was being sarcastic"... Even if Fincher had God at his side, he couldn't save this terrible mess of a movie.
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Nov 14, 2000 11:12:36 AM CST
How The Fuck Is Fight Club A Knockoff Of A Clockwork Orange?
by cooler-than-thou
Whoever said that is a fucking idiot. The only subject that those two movies share is brainwashing. Fight Club doesn't deal with teenagers or prison. I don't even think you can call what happened in Fight Club brainwashing. Jack used Tyler's charisma to motivate a couple of guys into doing fucked-up shit that they probably would've done anyway. Think about it? He barely swayed anyone. Fight Club's roster was vastly composed of men that flocked to him. It's not like he tied anyone to a chair and forced subversive shit through their eyes and ears like in A Clockwork Orange.
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First, I have to say: I like Fincher's work a lot and I understand why some of you adore the guy. Second, I have to say something else: The guy is only adapting himself to the media. He is no great filmmaker, even that a remarkable director. He also, has no taste for screenplays or any care for a PERFECT screenplay, seeing that he always brings the HACK Andrew Kevin-Walker to revise his screenplays. But going to specifics: ALIEN 3 - Like someone said before, it's a good looking mess. It has a weak screenplay, terrible pace and it's just too shallow and no-entertaining to have any value. SEVEN - I like this movie, but it's one of the most overrated films of the 90's. It has just a terrible, superficial, quotation for the quotation screenplay, with characters that are mediocre and cliche, and with terrible easy choices(list of books, anyone?). And there's is the MILL's wife character. Have a character screamed "Have pity of me/Like me" so much in any other film? And there's is the editing, unnecessary cuts after unnecessary cuts, destroying the continuity and power of the only thing that SEVEN has at is favor(besides Darius Khondji): Morgan Freeman. Moving on to THE GAME: Maybe the smartest FINCHER movie because he doesn't try to show how the movie is smart at every second. And this is the film where he shows that he is trying to adapt. Become a cinema guy, instead of a MTV guy. Story over style. A real character with flesh and blood and personality in Nicholas Van Orton, instead of a caricature a la Mills. And now, FIGHT CLUB: Another overrated piece of cinema, that I adore. It's very well done, but it loses in smarteness by being expositive about so much else. It should be less talk, more silent. But it's shotcomings are compensanted by it's cinematografich energy. It's not a classic, but the promise of classics to come. In short: It would be good for FINCHER to stay alway from T-3, because he has a lot of potential.orry about any misspellings. English is not my first language and I never had classes.
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the guy destroyed the Alien franchise, so let him loose on the Terminator... its had its day anyway.
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Yeah, let's get Ed & Mary Liz back in the tank for more fun with those waterlogged aliens, all served up with that special brand of hilarity that only Fincher can serve up... Seriously, why would Fincher do this? Does he really want to be known as Cameron's clean-up batter?
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I wonder if people that whine about Alien 3 have ever seen Camerons shot at a sequal with Pirahna II: The Spawning. I'm not actually sure why people consider Aliens to be a good movie either. Camerons answer to continuing a story is, 1. make the bad guy a little bigger and/or meaner, 2. add guns, 3. add some more guns 4. bigger guns, 5. guns with grenade launchers, 6. blow things up and/or set them on fire, 7. mask a weak story with an overabundance of action. If the reoccuring characters in Alien 3 weren't killed off it would have turned into another "protect Newt" movie, and while that might have pleased all of the Star Wars loving, keep the franchise open, more characters means more toys for me to buy, no taste sheep out there... some of us enjoy a suspense driven not-so-Hollywood movie every once in a while. It's the Cameron mentallity that spawns much of the garbage that tops the charts these days and it just gets worse and worse with time.
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...horrible writing did. It all started with the stupid decision to keep Ripley in every movie. Why? It's called "Alien" because it's about the alien, you can have different people in it. After "Aliens" they could have taken it in a whole new direction with new people, but that's the Hollywood mentality for you. The first two were successful with Ripley, so guess what? Now we have to come up with ways to bring her back. How 'bout a clone, anyone? That conveniently remembers everything from centuries ago? That has a fully formed alien queen embryo inside? And who's responsible for this? Could it be anyone other than the "genius" responsible / to blame for "Buffy," Joss Whedon? Mm-hmm.
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Cameron is a genius, Fincher is a hack. Got it? Also, Aliens was one of the few sequels that was actually better than the original. Got that too? Good.
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Fincher is a hack? What do you call Cameron attaching his name onto that unoriginal hunk of crap known as Dark Angel. Camerons movies rely on action, for a sane person it's near impossible to watch Titanic without fast fowarding two and a half hours into the movie to start out where the ship cracks in half and skip the overly sappy and repetative beginning (and middle... not to say that the ending isn't also overly sappy). I like the Terminator films, but genious they are not. The only point in watching them is to see a near unkillable villain be bombarded with more and more weapons each time, which was also the basic premise of Aliens (plus one child to protect for "suspense"). You also have to love the originality in having the terminator in the first movie with one arm, unable to walk, laying on its chest with the functioning arm extended during the climax. Then in the second movie have the terminator (from the first film), with one arm, unable to walk, laying on its chest with the functioning arm extended (this time holding a grenade launcher, yay!) during the climax of the movie. Taking an existing idea and adding guns does not make it better than the original, unless of course you are a member of the NRA. A few more of these movies and Cameron will rival Joel Schumacher. ...[jdelmo with the name I meant to put butscrewedup]
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A few questions: 1) Did you know that Cameron lasted barely a week on the set of P2? 2) Are you able to comprehend that these big explosions often punctuate what us industry professionals call a "set piece," which, in Cameron's case, are usually so well integrated into the story that you could set your Pokemon watch to them? 3) Do you think you might possibly be able to wrap your nitrus-enfeebled mind around the idea that directors are often closely involved in the writing process, even if they don't receive a screenwriting credit, and that if Fincher was displeased with his film's denouement, he could've rewritten it himself? Learn about the filmmaking process, and then post, you fool!
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Considering Alien 3 had a budget of over 50 million (keeping in mind this was also seven years ago), and was Finchers debut (not counting the drum thing which is probably a music documentary although I'm not sure), I'd be suprised if he had much say in the process. As for Camerons "set pieces", when the explosions and guns are used so much in a movie they have more depth than most of the characters they need to be toned down just a tad, without the bullets, fire, and neato factor of the look of the bad guys, Camerons films are left over with the same old boring crap. Now that everyone and his mother can throw a nuclear explosion and a 15 foot alien into their movies, Cameron better be ready to spend the rest of his days living off of his name since there's no originality that goes along with it. My final rant, thanks for bitching back I likeagoodargument [I'm also a fan of Camerons movies I just don't find them too thought provoking]
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A question: If this is supposedly a RUMOR right now, then why does the IMDB have Fincher as directord under Terminator 3?
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The IMDB is a great online reference, but their fact checking leaves a great deal to be desired. Essentially, anyone can submit information, and sometimes speculation slips through. I do believe that PANIC ROOM is to be Fincher's "commercial" effort, which, if successful, will enable him to do whatever is near and dear to his sick, twisted heart (e.g. PASSENGERS, THE BLACK DAHLIA, GORF: THE MOVIE, etc.)
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To the guy who said that these two movies are not alike - Roger Ebert called these films both "fascist" in that people set up a gang which glories in violence and want to set up their own rules in society at the expense of others. There's no doubt that Fincher is a great stylish director whose films SEVEN and THE GAME I both think are brilliant. I can admire his direction in FIGHT CLUB but the ideas he's selling are irresponsible. He sets up an idealized terrorist organization which supposedly "knows better what's good for everyone else" without showing any victims of their campaign (buildings blown up are conveniently empty). As for those who say it's actually an anti-violence message because Norton's character is mentally unstable and was pushed over the edge by our society, well that's fine if that was the intention but judging from the reaction of all these teen fans they are not responding to any "anti-violence" message. They are instead latching on to the "screw society" and "pound each other silly" message which is where the satire ultimately fails because teens are taking this at face value rather than knowing it's supposed to be satire. By the way, I hate ALIEN 3 - it uses this ugly dark-brown cinematography throughout the whole film, has no interesting or distinguishable characters in the prison population, has the most silly unending action/chase scenes with alien fish-eyed-lens chase shots as prisoners shut one door after another behind them and kill off all the interesting characters thereby ruining the franchise.
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Yours and Roger Ebert's criticisms are ridiculous. You're actually faulting the FILM for morons who don't get it. Come on, man. It's like blaming Nietzsche for Mein Kampf, it's stupid. The film shows plenty of consequence. They're BLOWING UP BUILDINGS! To a sane person that's a BAD THING. Bob is KILLED...that's also a bad thing. The narrator is almost castrated...that's also definitely a bad thing. Anyone with a brain can see the inherent problems and flaws in logic. They can see that Tyler is full of shit (though, of course, there's a nugget of truth.) The film actually supposes the audience is INTELLIGENT enough not to have that spelled out for them. Obviously Fincher overestimated, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Anyone who says the second half of the film was derailed truly didn't understand the movie. Fight Club also isn't a "guy movie." Anyone who says that simply enjoys the film 'cause people are fighting in it. Some of the biggest fans of the film I know are female. Oh, and ya know what else? I heard Fincher signed to direct a couple Coca-Cola commercials. What's that you say? How can he do that after Fight Club? That makes him a hypocrite, right? I mean, when his career was starting that's excusable, but now that he's made it big he shouldn't do that, right? Wrongo. Fight Club is, among MANY other things, about taking responsibility. Tyler tells the narrator "Take some responsibility, for god's sake" to which Norton replies "Yes, I am responsible for all of it, and I accept that." The irony here is that Tyler didn't take responsibility for anything. He passed the buck on to the media, and advertising, and blah blah blah. The film isn't really criticizing advertising and such as much as the idiots who buy into it. Cruel to cancer patients? Nah. Just looking at the absurdity of grown men -strangers- meeting up somewhere to cry on one another. It's funny. There's a reason Fight Club is so highly rated - It's good. A brilliant film technically, textured, truly great acting, and actual depth and social commentary. It's the best film of the 90's.
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It's not just that people don't get it, it's that the satire in FIGHT CLUB is not very well done. I thought the beginning was better than the later portions because it was genuinely funny yet disturbing (laughing at these support groups was black comedy done right). But then it starts taking itself too seriously and dropping most of the over-the-top comedy for too-preachy messages about the evils of society. I still think my comment about not having the balls to show the victims of terrorism is true; at least Kubrick wasn't afraid to show the "heroes" raping and brutalizing others. Fincher tried to have it both ways: by glorifying the ultra-violence with his lush film-style but not having any victims of their terrorism so we could still sympathize with them. Considering the leader or a member of the terrorist group getting hurt as being victims themselves as you do is an easy cop-out because they chose to be involved. I'm talking about "innocent" victims of terrorism, the screenwriter is picking and choosing certain things to criticize but ignoring other things which to me is not very intelligent. If it had been more broadly satirical, I could ignore those things but because it takes itself way too seriously I think it failed. Oh, and the film wasn't "so highly rated" by many people as both critical and audience reaction was pretty much split.
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Mr Fincher is the best director to come out of Hollywood for a long time, So why waste his time directing some crap that no one wants to see now (prefer to have seen it 2 years after T2). Terminator is a done franchise and is dangerous to David Finchers' career. So some words of advice to Mr Fincher.............STAY WELL CLEAR OF THIS ONE and have a word in Mr George Lucas's ear about doing Episode 7,8 and 9 so that at last we will have the full story.
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TYLER is. The film is subtle enough that a large number of people don't even GET the satire. Not because it isn't there, or it's ineffective, but because they're used to having everything handed to them in a neat little box at the end of a film. Fight Club has the guts to just dump it in their lap.
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do any of you faaakin northern munkeeeys think that a bloke like fincher would even want to sniff something as gash as t3? He'll stay well clear of that, believe me. And am I THE ONLY ONE to realise that star wars eps 2 & 3 are gonna be just as god awful as the 1st???
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This must be the most exciting rumor I've heard for a long, long time. Fincher directing T3! WOW! Breathtaking. If it's true, let's just hope he rewrites the script and gives it one or two of his twists in the end. Then we'll have a totally ass kicking sci-fi movie with stunning visuals and a great script. I believe in Fincher.
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To all of you Fincher-haters out there saying that just because he made a bad Alien 3 he is bound to make a T3. Get off his back. First of all Alien 3 is really not that bad. And if it isn't as good as the others it is, as some of you mention, because it was a franchise-flick! However, if Fincher was to direct T3, dont you think he would be given a bit more elbow room than he had in A3? For christ sake it was his first big Faeture Film. Now he is one of the biggest directors alive.
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First of all, I never claimed to be able to outwrite anyone, although from the look of your reply, I could probably out-do you any day of the week and twice on sunday...at least when I replied to Commander Cain, I did not violate the rules of this forum..."Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech are all fodder for deletion." Second of all, it seems clear to me that your obsession with Mr. Ellison is about as unhealthy as Harry's fascination with Cameron Diaz's Magical Swirling Ass...I suppose that you know nothing of Ellison's lawsuit against Cameron, otherwise you would have seen my point. As for Ellison supposedly recommending Terminator in his film column or whatever, that is nothing but a case of the loser trying to save himself some face from a crushing defeat in federal court. Think about that for a while. Also think about the fact that Harlan Ellison hasn't done JACK SQUAT since free love ceased being popular...I've never seen any major motion picture with his name on it, nor have I seen any New York Times Bestsellers authored by him. Another success story for one of the greatest minds in science fiction, wouldn't you say? One last thing, I'm entitled to my fucking opinion, so I would appreciate it if you would stay the fuck off my back...if people don't agree with me, they don't have to read my post and just go on to the next one...I have never slammed anyone on this forum, and I would appreciate the same respect. Thank you very much.
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Nov 15, 2000 10:14:30 PM CST
How much is Fincher gettin paid. I'll do it for half the price
by the short timer
I can do it, I'm qualified I went to some kind of audio visual class once. And i got a tonne of ideas like the one where there's a new Arnold terminator and instead of legs he's got three wheels that enable him to go SUPERFAST. And there's another new terminator robot who's a dog no a cat and the cat can speak French because he's the villain and there's a bit where Edward Furlong looks at the cat and says : "I dunno I don't quite trust that cat." And the cat knows judo and can drive. This cat should get his own spin off series. If the Rock had any sense he would guest star in this new series featuring that wily talented cat don't you agree?
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