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Did BASIC INSTINCT 2 Just Get Interesting'!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Okay... last I heard, Lee (ONCE WERE WARRIORS) Tamahori was attached to direct the follow-up to Verhoeven's ultra-glossy, ultra-stupid sex thriller. I know they've been beating the script into submission over the last few months, and today I get some news from one of my most trusted spies... news that the new draft is in and that there's been a bit of a shuffle in helmers for the project. So who does he say is in the seat now?
David freakin' Cronenberg, baby.
This isn't fair. I can't help but go and see a new Cronenberg film. OUt of all the horror directors of his generation, he's the one who I find the most consistently interesting and who seems to have the most integrity. Even when he's made duds like M. BUTTERFLY (a mismatch with the material) or CRASH (chilly and clinical to a fault, leaving you disconnected from the fetish rather than offering any sort of glimpse at what draws someone to one), he always seems to be chasing his own personal diseased muse. And his older work? Fuggedaboudit! VIDEODROME is the movie that made me finally break down and buy a DVD player. I had no choice once I realized it was available letterboxed. I could go on and on about the intense personal philosophy of his early horror films like SHIVERS, THE BROOD, RABID, SCANNERS, and THE FLY, or the towering brilliance of DEAD RINGERS, or how he made one of the truly great King adaptations with THE DEAD ZONE.
Right now, though, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the notion of him doing BASIC INSTINCT 2. What happened to SPIDER, the film I thought he was gearing up on? What happened to RED CARS? I'm confused. Take this as a rumor for now, and I'll keep digging to see if I can either verify this conclusively or lay the rumor to rest. Until then...
"Moriarty" out.
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Nov 06, 2000 7:32:01 PM CST
Is Lee Tamahori a New Zealander? He should direct an action fli
by wesley snipes
He did a great job on The Edge and Mulholland Falls. He really needs to be given a large-scale action thriller to make. I think he could make it really tense without any DePalma-style ripoffs of Hitchcock.
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I truly admire Cronenberg's work, as a fellow Canadian, and as an overall movie master. But for him to direct Basic Instint 2 would be one of the most curious projects I could ever think of... if people thought the first flick was perverted, let's see what David could do with it!!! (hypothetically speaking of course).
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Sharon: Phil, honey, nobody's offering me work. // Phil: Well, darling, it's probably because you're old and wrinkled, like we've discussed. // Sharon: But I'm a good actress! // Phil: Sure, sure. I mean you're great when you're playing the evil whore beasts, and the old, wrinkled whore beasts, but I think the American people aren't ready to see you stretch beyond that. // Sharon: I got nominated for an Oscar, though! // Phil: Remember, baby, that's back when you sucked off half the Academy. You didn't win, remember? // Sharon: I know. // Phil: Well, have you considered just staying home and cooking for me? // Sharon: I'll make you a deal. I'll display my cooch in "Basic Instinct 2," and if that nabs me an Oscar, YOU'LL stay home and cook. // Phil: And if everyone stays home and skips out on the geriatric skank show, YOU'LL stop "acting" and start giving me oral pleasure on a daily basis. // Sharon: Deal. // Phil: Deal. // Sharon: Can we watch "Sphere" on DVD now? // Phil: Oh, look at the time...
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Brain De Palma should direct the sequel the Basic Instinct. I mean, it's the kind of material that's perfect for him and he really needs a hit. He has a valid excuse to remake/rip-off Hitchcock and to upset the critics. And we all know he's the master in that department. I heard the screenplay is pretty good and after bombs like M2M and Snakeyes, De Palma could finally get his hands on some good material. He's a great director if he has a good screenplay(Scarface, Untouchables, Casulties of War), but when he's making a movie out of a bad screenplay; forget about it. Cronenberg would never make a sequel. Boat Drinks!
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DEAD RINGERS? Interesting way to phrase "unwatchable horridness." In all fairness, it been quite a while since I saw it. But I recall vehemently didliking what I saw. To each his own, I suppose. If Cronenberg DOES do INSTINCT 2 (I doubt it), Sharon Stone will no doubt have a vaginal oriface in some place OTHER than her weather-beaten crotch.
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Nov 06, 2000 8:24:01 PM CST
Ahhh, Cronenberg... psychosexual mayhem and vaginal openings gal
by mr. sartre
The movie will be about twin gynecologists who work for a cable network and fall for the same girl. They all get into a bunch of car crashes in China while going through teleporters in virtual reality simulation video games. One of the twins develops the ability to see the future by touching someone while the other twin is able to use telekenesis to blow up people's heads. It isn't before long that this group arrives in Interzone to shoot up smack and watch typewriters have sex... I love David Cronenberg, in all seriousness, but I have to agree with a poster above that this is not the usual Cronenberg vehicle one would expect. Ah well... odd things are afoot at the circle K, it seems. Take care, all. Long live the new flesh, and vote tomorrow
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I've also heard that Sharon Stone wants Deneuve to star with her in the sequel, and Deneuve even mentioned it a month or so ago on Larry King Live when she was promoting "East West" and "Dancer In the Dark." Cronenberg is a fucking genius, so "BI@" could be cool as hell if he gets involved. And let's put it this way, I'm a gay guy...but the thought of Cronenberg directing and Sharon Stone and Catherine Deneuve in bed gives me a hard on.
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'Basic Instinct 2' is NOT a film I am looking forward to. I thought the original made 'Biodome' look like fucking 'Citizen Kane'; soft core sex, slashings, cliched cop settings, mind games, AND a friggin Jerry Goldsmith score, with Michael Douglas playing the usual white, repressed yet sexually addicted middle aged fart a la Jeremy Irons ('Lolita,' 'Damage.'). Did nothing for me. Nevertheless, Cronenberg brings some baggage with him that might be interesting. At the very least, it will be interesting visually, murkier and darker than Verhoevens Technicolor soft lush San Francisco images. It might even include an insect that talks out of its ass. I'm in.
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Huge Cronenberg fan (I even have that racing movie he made), but if Cronenberg signs on for this, it doesn't make Basic Instinct 2 more interesting, it makes Cronenberg less interesting. I hope this rumor catches fire and spreads, in the hopes of it being debunked more quickly. Oh, and I'm first . . . on the talkback food chain, bitches.
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First!!!!!!
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The guy is one of the last of the truly interesting and original auter film makers, and while his stuff definitely isn't for the mainstream I find the majority of his work to be both fascinating and weirdly hypnotic, not to mention superbly crafted. Sure it seems an odd choice (but then anything that Cronenberg is attached to is an odd choice...) but if this rumour does indeed pan out then I'm there. As for why Cronenberg would do a sequel to someone elses work, maybe it's part of a deal to get funding for another of his pet projects (after all funding has always been a bit of a struggle for old Dave, sadly enough), stranger things have happened...especially in a Cronenberg film.
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...who's unfortunately developed a bad case of longeurs. His earlier pictures like Scanners and Dead Zone moved with a swift pulp efficiency, but his recent works, like Existenz, seem drawn out and languid by comparison. It seems to happen to a lot of directors as they age. Spielberg still knows how to pace a movie, but doesn't know when to quit anymore (note the extended endings on Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan). Zemeckis, ever since Forrest Gump, has developed delusions of grandjeur (he thinks he's some brilliant auteur now, when at best he's a very competent studio craftsman). Even Kubrick lost it a bit in the end (although he did croak before the movie's release, so who knows?)But Cronenberg's certainly an interesting choice to direct BI2, although why he'd take the job is a mystery, and why anyone thinks the world needs this movie is an even bigger mystery. I've seen Sharon's crotch once, I don't need to see it again.
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if the script is going for the same pseudo-intellectual, psycho-sexual, bad rip off of depalma ripping off hitchcock type of incoherency that the first one achieved, then i agree that schumacher would be perfect--seeing as how that is basically what he does just about everytime out. a couple more flops from him and then maybe he could go away for good. but if the script has anything even remotely thought provoking or original, then cronenberg will find it and bring it to our attention. he runs hot and cold with me, but if he goes back to the campiness of some of his early work, it could just be a strange enough combination to yield something worth seeing. it would at least be better than that piece of shit known as fight club.
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I can't think of anything about this movie that would make me part with my hard-earned money to see it. Sharon Stone had better be in it [and her famous body part] or I'll just wait for Basic Cable.
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I think Bill Hicks said that right the first time. If he was still with us I'm sure he'd say something similar so I'll fill that in for him. There you go , Bill.
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but if Cornenberg is directing, it promises to be gooey. By the way, just want to add that as a fellow Torontonian, there are very few nicer guys than David Cronenberg.
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I'll take Dead Ringers or The Fly as my fave Cronenberg, thankyouverymuch.
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I can't help thinking about gynecological icepicks for mutant women... sex in toilet stalls and sex WITH toilet stalls... not to mention Catherine's relationship with her typewriter... I don't think the world is ready for this. I don't think the world will EVER be ready for this.
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WHo cares? The FIRST Basic Instinct sucked donkey balls, mostly because Sharon Stone is a horse faced skank with zero ability or screen presence, so the second sounds like it will suck too. Cronenberg or not.
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"piece of shit known as Fight Club".
You're the one talking about Joel "shitmaker" Schumaker making another film. Please.
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Cronenberg doesn't make big "Hollywood movies". His biggest hit, THE FLY, was done because he could totally reinvision the original film and he still has reservations over doing THE DEAD ZONE even though it is brilliant also. The SPIDER project seems much more interesting because I've read the author whose book it's based on and he's very creepy too. The only reason I could see Cronenberg doing BI2 is because his profile has lessened to the point where he couldn't get funding for RED CARS. If he could make a big hit movie then we could be treated to studios allowing him to make more of his sick disturbing visions. And as for those people who say they have horrible recollections of seeing so-and-so film....that's the whole point of Cronenberg films!!! They are not meant to be pleasurable and linger in your mind years after - which to me is a sign of a great artist.
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Nov 07, 2000 12:56:21 PM CST
Deac Speaks... Dave Croenenburg should make the movie about how
by deacon
come on!!! basic instinct is a good movie and it has very good characters and is basically a freakin awsome paul verhoven flick! but you can't simply hand it off to dave and expect a masterpiece! it's not his kind of movie! he could make it into one of his films but the back story for sharon stone's character wouldn't mesh well with dave's film style! it just wouldn't work! they are simply making this cause every studio has an itch.. to make sequels from successful movies simply because they already have a guarenteed audience, bad or good a certain number of people are already gonna see it....
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Nov 07, 2000 12:56:37 PM CST
Deac Speaks... Dave Croenenburg should make the movie about how
by deacon
come on!!! basic instinct is a good movie and it has very good characters and is basically a freakin awsome paul verhoven flick! but you can't simply hand it off to dave and expect a masterpiece! it's not his kind of movie! he could make it into one of his films but the back story for sharon stone's character wouldn't mesh well with dave's film style! it just wouldn't work! they are simply making this cause every studio has an itch.. to make sequels from successful movies simply because they already have a guarenteed audience, bad or good a certain number of people are already gonna see it.... and i kinda would like to see it if it is about sharon stone getting fucked in the ass
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What else did he do with it then? He sure as hell didn't direct it, because that was David Lynch, at least last time I checked. I don't know about this whole BI2 thing, doesn't sound like something Cronenberg would do. But if he does, it'll at least be interesing. Apart from M. Butterfly (which was ok, but didn't do the play justice) everything the man has done is pure genius.
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"Okay, the film opens after the Michael Douglas character has been murdered. Sharon is brought into the interrogation room. This time, she's in a black mini. The Wayne Knight character, who will be the lead in this film, starts questioning her again. She lights a cigarette and they both laugh. Then, she starts crossing and uncrossing her legs. We see something pink, fleshly and glistening coming out of her hey-hey. It's a wriggling, muscular appendage, dripping with goo. It has a mouth full of fangs at the end and it gives a full confession to all the murders..."
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Joel Schumacher is amongst the tackiest and commercial film directors of our time. I beg someone to show me a film of his that showed any spark of originality or creativity.
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First off, Mr. Sartre, that was the best laugh I've had in a week, really, it was hilarious.
David Cronenberg is a terrible choice for this film and Why? Because, the material doesn't deserve him at all. He's brilliant, "Dead Ringers" was in fact a masterpiece, all you fuckbakes who can't see that can kiss my pucker!
I think "Basic Instinct" should follow "Poison Ivy" to the Direct to Video market and then Shannon Tweed can continue showing us her baggy tits and saggy pussy until the end of time. (That whole "Night Eyes" thing is getting old.) -
jesus--my dislike for schumacher is matched only by my dislike for people who lack basic reading comprehension skills. read the post agiain, kids, and don't skip over all of the big words this time.
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I mean come on. "Basic Instint 2"? You people are seriously discussing this? Cronenberg may not be a great director but he made Videodrome. Give Basic Instinct 2 to a studio lapdog like Michael Bay, get it in the can by Christmas, mass market it, tie in your Burger King deal, watch the money roll in. Don't give it to someone with any artistic inclinations at all. They will take it too seriously. Speaking of taking things too seriously I'd better go back to that fake titty website before my hardon goes down.
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