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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Okay, everyone... here's where you get to go to town. What'd you think? Personally, I thought it was good dumb fun, and I got my money's worth. It's a sexy, silly little lapdance of a film, and I thought McG did exactly the same thing Betty Thomas did on BRADY BUNCH or PRIVATE PARTS... he found the right comic tone and held true to it for the whole film. Is it genius? Heck, no. But Cameron and Lucy are beyond adorable, and Crispin Glover's great, and some of the action really works, and what the hell? Ready... and... GO!!
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and I haven't seen the movie yet so I'm outta here
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Hey... this is my first talk back at AICN ever... from norway here;) oh, well.. charlie's angels... 've seen it on a preview, and it seems like... crap.. but then i mean nice f***** crap... the ladies are hot, but then script is lame.. oh, well... I saw it for the ladies, so who cares...
One more thing: Aren't we damn tired of those rubber masks? that's too M:I 2'esque, and that was just a horrible way to put it... urgh..
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Cotton Candy, Ham, and Cheese. That is one of the best ways to describe this movie. The action scenes were all matrix/MI2 ripoffs, infused with a bit of Kung-Fu Barbie attitude. This movie, more than any I have ever seen, casts Ms Diaz in a poor light -- she just isn't all that cute in it. The plot is all MI1 - Why does every TV action show remake have to revolve around a standard mission that twists in the middle? My 13yr old stepdaughter was all agog with glee at the movie, but it left me flat. Definitely designed for the teenage audience, with no real substance underneath, and it winks at itself way too often. Lots of hamminess from the stars. Also a bit self indulgent -- the introductory sequence was fun, but then the opening credit sequence was overlong and very self important without really being all that interested in anything except showing the three stars doing John Woo moves betwixt scenes of flashy computer graphics. Definitely a well targeted film -- its audience will love it, those outside it may see the tongue poking through the cheek.
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I feel like a dork for saying it, but I enjoyed this film so much that I saw it twice. On the second time I brought a couple of friends and got lit beforehand. Guess what? Booze made the film even more fun. I wish that theaters would serve alcohol because it makes thingsbetter.
I thought that Crispen Glover was awesome as the bad guy. The casting of the entire film was just great. Was Drew supposed to be the fat angel? Maybe it was just me, but in comparrison to the other babes she looked a little chunky on the butt. I heard that they used special effects to shrink her ass on screen. Does anyone know if that is true?
Go see this film today, drink a few beers, and click your brain to its off position and you will have a blast.
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It's true this film won't make the movie of the year, but not every movie has to try to be. I think this was just a fun flick meant to humor, excite, and let us zone out for a couple of hours. I don't see any problem with a movie doing that to us every now and again. All the Angels were perfect for their roles, despite the fact that I was worried about Drew Barrymore being one (even though she was the one behind the whole thing). I didn't even realize that was Crispin Glover until I got home, but he was freaky! As a final word, I've got to agree with Harry on the "swirling ass" thing. That made the movie completely worth it.
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Seafox and Koola_Norway, do you have any sense of humor at all? "Angels" was as much a parody of the "Mission: Impossible" films as it was of the original "Charlie's Angels" television show. The opening sequence had me rolling!
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Dear Cameron Diaz,
Thank god for your swirling ass. It has made this world a better place.
All in all I really liked this movie. It was fluff but it was good fluff. Who cares about the plot (Still better than MI2) or the cheesy action (Someone has to outlaw freeze action shots, but in this case it worked, not so for Art of War or MI2). This movie was about the girls, and how they can kick ass and still be sexy.
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Or maybe she looks that way compared to the seemingly anorexic Cameron Diaz. But Drew ROCKS, the movie was a lot of fun, and Ebert and Roeper can go lay down in traffic for their review of it. So lemme get this straight Roeper...CA sucks, but Blair Witch 2 was somehow good?
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Lucy Lui and Bill Muray made this movie work. My brain just went dead when they weren't in a scene. Diaz and Berrymore were fluf and I just couldn't find what they were doing as intresting.
Well, except when drew was running around naked.
The plot was dumb, but I expected dumb so it works on that dumb level.
The humour was there (the chad was great. the chad was great!)
OH! Who else noticed that those 2 kids were playing FF8 and were playing in the Blamb Garden training room despite the fact that FF8 is only a 1 player game?
:::looks around:::
man, I am a geek!
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still glad i didnt waist 8 buck and 2 hours of my time.
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George was awesome in this movie as the creepy skinny guy. Who gives a shit if this isnt a homage to the original show, it sucked anyway. This movie was funny and ENTERTAINING. Dont go in looking for the meaning of life, cos it aint there, but DO go in expecting to have fun. I really wanted to see Drews ass but hey, ill settle for Carmen in Spiderman underoos....
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Oh yeah.......
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Normally I am pretty picky with movies. When it started, my brain was all "man, this is terrible, what the, terrible wire work, what the, that is so stu. . . SWIRLING ASS. . . SWIRLING ASS" I was in a trsnce. Occassionally, I would snap to and go "HOLD ON! THIS IS REALLY BA. . . Leather Bustier . . . Leather Bustier" SO, to make a long post short, my hormones yet again beat my brain into submission. Charie's Angels = good movie
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Actually it's been in all the mags that they had to use computers to make Barrymore look decent. I guess she has lots of stretch marks. Barrymore was devasted after seeing the dalies.
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I find it marvelously hilarious when people criticize a film like this for lacking a plot. Sweet lord almighty, GET A CLUE OR GET OUT. This movie was EXACTLY WHAT IT WANTED TO BE. And you know what? It was EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE, TOO. And if it wasn't what you wanted it to be, well, I hate to break it to you, but they didn't make it for you. Hell, it had me won over from the moment I saw what the in-flight movie was going to be. It was clear what they wanted, and they got it....
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This was guilty fun. I remember the original series, watched it as a kid, and understand that this was meant to be a wink and a nudge, not a true remake. Take a look at the Brady Bunch - totally a wink and a nudge, and it worked. Then take a look at "Lost in Space" - tried to be a total remake, and blew. (I was surprised to see how good Lucy Liu looked. Freckles - mmmmmmmm).
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It just occurred to me: if you didn't like this movie, you MUST HAVE known that you were't going to like this movie from the moment you saw the first preview... Why on earth did you go?
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I haven't seen the movie yet because I live in merry olde England, where we don't see 2000 movies until 2003 but I'm not bitter. I just want to 2nd the Drew is not fat comment, she isn't shes gorgeous and better than Cameron Diaz. Thankyou.
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but am I the only one who feels that the film failed to deliver on the promise that was the first fight (the one between all three girls and The Thin Man in the alley)? I thought that fight scene was pretty fucking awesome, especially when Thin Man jumped up and spun around, shooting his gun at the Angels. But then, there was nothing nearly as cool for the rest of the film. Kind of disappointing. Anyway, Sam Rockwell was great, and Kelly Lynch was really hot, but Crispin Glover was the best, but he didn't have enough screen time...I suppose that's why they didn't kill him at the end (or Lynch; probably saving them for the inevitable sequel). Bill Murray is funny, no matter how bad the material is. Lucy Liu may be a bitch, but she's still hot. At least Drew Barrymore has a nice ample bosom, even if the rest of her could use some work. Cameron Diaz is still tied with Charlize Theron as most beautiful woman in Hollywood, but Cameron has the greatest ass in the world. (That reminds me: Why the fuck doesn't People magazine have a sexiest WOMAN alive issue? Isn't that kind of a double standard?)
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And I loved every second of it!!! Charlie's Angels fucking ruled. and the subliminal advertising of Columbia's Golden Egg of next summer, Spider-Man, I was in heaven. If only more directors used beautiful women's asses for advertising. The other product placment was annoying but I got over it. (Though if you're gonna product place a Handspring Visor in your movie, don't call it a Palm Pilot).
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I haven't seen this fucking movie and I NEVER will. Drew hasn't been cute in years, and I don't care if Liu or Diaz or even Bill Murray are in it! And NONE of those are good reasons to see a movie anyway (well, okay, Bill is). Hey I love a big dumb movie like anybody else but this spelled suck from the word go. They got McG to direct it. Hello hollywood playa guy! Your videos sucked too! Still, he seemed like a perfect match for the shapeless hunk of junk this movie wanted to be. And has Barrymore been in a single good movie in her adult life? It's clear from the movies she produces she has no intuition about a good story at all. And the only thing worse then being barraged with images from her stupid love life are interviews with castmates talking about how "special" she is. Yeah, right. Anything to sell a movie huh? What's so special about someone who has never given anything remotely resembling a great performance. And the fact that Barrymore digitally altered herself says so much on so many levels. Yeah, we all go see Charlies fucking Angels but we let a good movie like Way of the Gun die a quick death. yeah, yeah, I'm a sourpuss, whatever. Look, I'll let a movie be "just a movie" anyday. But I refuse to be assaulted with garbage like this. And if I want a movie just to see a hot ass, I'll rent a goddamn porno. At least with that we all know why we rented it, and it doesnt take millions of dollars to have no plot and I'm sure the direction is better.
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I admit it, I liked the movie. Mindless entertainment.
What got me, however, was the ripoff and disrespect shown to East Asian culture. Charlie's Angels was almost directly ripped from "Heroic Trio" (starring Michelle Yeoh of SuperCop and other HK films). The action sequences, from using each other as weapons to the characteristic, over-the-top, wire-fu, Charlie's Angels steals almost directly from "Heroic Trio" (an HK action flick about, yep, three kickass beautiful women).
Mind you, that's not always a bad thing. "Matrix" does exactly the same thing, a derivation of John Woo-esqueness and HK wire-fu.
But what Charlie's Angel does to make me grate my teeth is its disrespect of Asians. I don't see anyone sipping on a Jesus the Hippie Straw (ie the Buddha drink) and where would we be without the requisite Geisha/Asian whore scene that Hollywood film must have when it shows Asian women? Of course, Lucy Liu's love interest is the very definition of the Anglo, played by none other than Joey from whitebread NBC's "Friends."
Charlie's Angels may have been totally campy, but I definitely wasn't laughing at those scenes.
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Nov 05, 2000 3:10:13 PM CST
Is a bad movie that knows its bad any better than a bad movie th
by z-man
Well, maybe, but its also more obnoxious. CA puts itself in this position where anything negative you say about it can be countered with "but that's just part of the joke." It's making fun of all those movies that are just 2 hr music videos with plots that don't even try to make sense and lots of gratuitous action, t-n-a, and SFX, but at the same time it is one of those movies. So, when your head can't decide, go with your heart: did I have a great time, and enjoy this fluffy eyecandy? Well, no. I mean, I kind of enjoyed it, but I was never extatic about it. Moriarty, if you got your money's worth, you must not place the same value on $7 that I do. There were lots of laughs, but really no Big Laughs. It was just kinda there. Crispin Glover was good, but that was because he took himself half-seriously. If you don't take it seriously at all, it ain't funny, because there's no tension. Lucy Liu was sexy, funny, and the most convincing of the three, Drew was cute, and pretty funny. Cameron's not really my type, but I can definitely see why half the world is in love with her. A little restraint might have made the laughs bigger and the action better.
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Well I live in the UK so I'll tell you what i think of the film in a couple of years time but at the moment IF IT's MEANT TO BE A LAUGH than accept it. it's a big god-damn hollywood movie (one of the most manufactured this year definetly) so walk in with this in mind. On the other hand, I've just come on-line (this is my first comment - yeah!) and i'd like to get some e-mails, so whatever crap you want to send feel free - and I'll reply to everyone (even the dodgy adverts) Ah well, whatever.
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How can so many people like this movie? I am shocked that Harry gave it a good review, of course I think he's disillusioned by C.D.'s ass. Oh so self-indulgent. I thought Harry had higher standards.
It was insanely awful. Scenes were acted as though read off cue cards on the fly. Just think of the cast--all except Lucy were terribly miscast for action parts. The slo-mo martial arts scenes were to be desired and MTV-like sickening. The villains were as lame as can be; ok, Mcfly can do some great moves, but everytime I saw him I would laugh and picture him as Marty's dad, with nerd-glasses. The plot totally predicable. There wasn't an orignal element in the film. It was like a female Matrix, overrated.
This movie was worse than I expected it to be. I think the movie is geared toward 16 year old girls: my kid sister loved it. I guess besides young girls, horny fan boys like Harry enjoy suck-wad films.
Personally, I would have preferred to have seen the original cast play their parts, and by God, put Bill Murray in a comedy: not a film advertised as an action film.
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That is all it is, not the greatest action film, certainly NOT the worst. All three "angels" were fun to watch, and I agree that Bill Murray was under-utilized (more lines in the inevitable sequal?). If you want to say things like Angels Crap about this movie you are taking it way to seriously!!! To all those who felt Harry needs to get laid, I agree!! Diaz's "swirling ass" scene was just a small unimportant part of the film...nothing to get all fetishistic about (like that villain who got off on the angels hair)!! Toodles, once again I recommend this film for a fun, relatively inexpensive way to spend your hard earned money.
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...from the "everything but the kitchen sink" school of filmmaking. "Charlie's Angels" is derivative, yes, but from so many sources and with such gleeful abandon, I'm not motivated in the slightest to criticize the mix. There was a giddy unpredictability to it all. I knew the heroes would get from point A to point B, beat the bad guys, etc., but I could never predict exactly how it was going to happen. Grand Prix chase sequences, extended dance numbers, oompah band disguises - basically, if any given scene fell flat (and yeah, several did), there was a pretty good chance you could hold out for a minute or two and get to something entertaining. Had all the coherence of a music video, but it was a REALLY FUN music video. If that concept scares you then this flick isn't for you. Yeah, and Crispin Glover is as cool a freak henchman as we're likely to see in our lifetime. Loved the shot where he leapt through the gap in the chained gate - just cool as hell. I have to agree with the previous poster who noted that the movie never quite lived up to the promise of the Angels' initial confrontation with him - there *was* loss of momentum in the second half. But in a movie with so much energy to burn, even a slightly lackluster follow-through was still very entertaining. Looks like "Charlie's Angels" might be a surprise hit too. I tried to catch an 8pm show on Friday, only to find that all shows were sold out through midnight. Bought tickets in advance yesterday, still had to wait in a long line to get in, and later noted that it was another sell-out evening. I'm laughing at the naysayers, LAUGHING IN THEIR FACES, that such a stupid-fun flick is going to be massively successful, resisting all their whiny B.S.
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Man, CRISPIN GLOVER kicked ASS! Transplant his freaky-eyed ass over to THE MATRIX 2 & 3 and make this man an Agent! Agent McFly!
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The casting is horrid. "Sexy" is not among the first five words that come to mind when I look at any of the three main "actresses" in this movie. Barrymore at one small point in time (i.e. post-alcholic, pre-"Poison Ivy") positively smokin', she's still sweet, but that's not a quality I would look for in an "Angel." Diaz has a nice body, but like DarthSiskel noted, her eyes have sunken into her skull. And speaking of eyes, Lucy Liu will forever be cross-eyed. Sorry for being so superficially-obsessed, but this is the type of movie who seems superficially-obsessed. All I'm saying is they were messed up before they even started shooting with these girls.
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...and speaking of Soul Train, is there any manifestation of the show in LA, where Charlie's Angels supposedly takes place? 'Cause, unless Natalie got flown on a concord to NYC for her date it seems a most improbably place to put here except as an excuse to see her wave her ass around. And a mighty fine excuse it was! :-)
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Man, I loved the hell out of this movie. I saw it twice already. Man, I cant believe how much fun this film is. Should get good repeat business for its short running time and fast pace. I truly feel sorry for anybody that did not get a kick out of this movie. You must be one of those people who listen to what ever Ebert says. You dont know what you are missing.
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This movie seemed to me to be a long continuous trailer. The thin plot is out there with lots of action and little laughs set to a blaring soundtrack of rock and techno songs. This movie was just meant to be an entertaining couple of hours and I thought it succeeded for me at least. And if you didnt like it maybe youre getting a little too cynical to see stupid movies and enjoy them.
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See, one of the things I *liked* about the main trio is that none of them are generic Playboy models. Drew's still packing some baby fat, Cameron Diaz has the loopiest grin I've ever seen, and some folks think of Lucy Liu as cross-eyed - these aren't defects, these are assets. The quirky beauty of these three chicks is what makes them stand out. You think some Victoria's Secret model would've been half as charming or funny? Nahhhh. On a related note, one or two Talkbackers have taken potshots at the folks liking this movie with words to the effect of "if T&A is all it takes to win you over, just rent a porno". Hey, this isn't jerk-off material, it's cheesecake. Drew, Cameron, and Lucy show some skin for the sake of infusing an action/comedy with a big dose of guileless, sexy fun. The tease *is* the draw. If anything, the T&A of "Charlie's Angels" is a throwback to more innocent sexual fare, like the pin-ups of Vargas or Elvgren as opposed to explicit porn, or even a movie like "Basic Instinct".
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Really needs some meat on those bones. I don't understand how people find a rack of bones attractive, but I suppose that is the thing nowadays. I feel old.
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Charlies angels is nothing more than a wanna-be. The TV show was never about action and comedy or being tounge in cheek! The movie tried real hard to be just like the Danger Girl comic books but couldnt pull it off. The movie wasn't even that good and the only cool Angel was Lucy Leu. I cant wait for the Danger Girls to whip these punk nerd Angels butts!
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...is the only movie that does not improve on the sight of a blank screen viewed for the same length of time.
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Before I begin my review and talk about the film I have prepared a top 10 list of women who could have taken Drew Barrymore's place (Due to the fact that she is ugly)
10.Denise Richards
9.Neve Campbell
8.Charlize Theron
7.Jennifer Love Hewitt
6.Jennifer Aniston
5.Elizabeth Hurley
4.Pamela Anderson
3.Jennifer Lopez
2.Catherine Zeta-Jones
1.Katsby
I enjoyed the film, it was very campy and fun. The action scenes were tounge-in-cheek-matixy, and the expressions on the girls faces (seen in some parts of the trailer) were laugh out loud funny.
Moving on to the girls
Drew: See above list
Cameron: She was strange to watch in the film, becasue she seemed to be losing 1 pound every 25,000 frames. She looked good in the begining but looked sick towards the end. She really needs to eat a meal. How thin was she? She wore spiderman underoos and they fit. When was the last you could fit into underoos?
Lucy: My god she is hot! I also never noticed that she has a sprinkling a freckles on her face. It is fantastic to see her kick ass and look good.
Oh yea Bill Murray is in this film too..
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Mighty Taun Taun, note first that the comic "Danger Girl" was itself a massive rip-off of the "Charlie's Angels" TV show, amping the action and tossing in a bit of "Tomb Raider" and even "G.I.Joe" for good measure. It was a fairly amusing bit of trash, but it had no creator commitment or staying power. The guys in charge dropped the comic the INSTANT they heard video game and film offers come calling. Their mistake. The video game's been universally panned, and I think the success of "Charlie's Angels" will actually sink any movie hopes for 'em. "Charlie's Angels" might've taken inspiration from "Danger Girl" (though more influence came from Hong Kong chick actioneers), but the fact remains that "CA" actually MADE IT to the big screen while "Danger Girl" idles in development hell. "Danger Girl" can't be translated now without seeming like a retread of "Charlie's Angels" to audiences. Ironically, the only way "Danger Girl" might stand out as a film is to take itself more seriously. Funny, huh? The "DG" creators would've been better off garnering fan support by putting out a decent comic on a regular basis. I don't have much sympathy for 'em now. In the battle for big-screen action/T&A, "Charlie's Angels" wins, pure and simple. Hope the "Danger Girl" guys enjoy the meager revenues of their failed video game...
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How can you say the Danger Girls are a rip off of Charlies Angels? Charlies Angels was a serious, drama TV show about some boring DETECTIVES who worked for some clown on a speaker box! The ONLY thing thats the same is that its a movie where the girls kick butt! How many movies have their been where guys kick butt?! Danger Girl is about a bunch of girls from different parts of the world who team up to fight a bunch of psychos who think that they are going to take over the world! Like those cool Spectre guys in James Bond. Charlies Angels TRIED to be as cool as the Danger Girls but all I saw on the screen was Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, Lucy Leu, Bill Murray, etc. I wasn't seeing the movie characters, I was seeing those actual people. And how lame was it when Drew Barrymore cheated on Tom Green with that sleezebag (because she wanted to, after he lamely seduced her weak will, not to crack a case) and then came back to Tom Green for help?! I found that insulting when they were trying to make us girls seem tough and in charge? By the way, the comic creators didn't stop mking the comic book, the new issue comes out this month! What until you see the Danger Girl movie, then you will be a believer!
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I haven't seen it and out of all the talkbacks, I don't think ANYBODY mentioned him.
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Nov 05, 2000 9:39:35 PM CST
Review = 3 bucks at blockbuster in 6 months and a case of K-Y .
by qin 13
Wait for the video release and have plenty of lube on hand!!!!!!!
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Nov 05, 2000 9:48:25 PM CST
I agree with Bob the Goon: put George McFly in Matrix 2&3! He k
by lenny nero
Also, yes, Roj Blake, Tim Curry was in this, and he was good.
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"Charlie's Angels" (the TV show) might not have been as globe-hopping as "Danger Girl", but the underlying premise is plenty similar: a trio of beautiful girls work undercover jobs for a guy who answers to a big boss lurking behind the scenes (Bosley is to Charlie as Deuce is to Duncan, see?). Yes, "Danger Girl" took the premise in a far more James Bond-ian direction, but the core concept of a hot chick trio going on undercover adventures to provide lots of jiggling...that schtick is copyright "Charlie's Angels", 1976. I honestly don't mind that "Danger Girl" cribbed the concept - I DID enjoy the comic during its brief existence - I mention it only to counter your claim that the "Charlie's Angels" movie is a wannabe, as if "Danger Girl" was in any way original itself. And remember, "Danger Girls" has blatantly stolen from other sources too. The plot is a "Raiders of the Lost Ark" globe-trotter, Deuce is clearly meant to be an aging James Bond, the villains are all from the James Bond school of freaks, and there was even a riff involving giant underwater eels attacking a mini-sub, straight outta that G.I.Joe miniseries I watched as a kid. Again, fun stuff, but hardly original. ****** As for Drew cheating on Tom Green, well, I can hardly blame her considering what a freak the man is, but sure, from a story standpoint, it didn't exactly empower her character. "Charlie's Angels" DID have its share of flaws, but like I mentioned before, one had only to wait two or three minutes for an interesting scene to pop up and make you forgive 'em. ******* As for "Danger Girl's" schedule...maybe technically the comic was never cancalled, but it did go on hiatus for, what, over a year? That's effectively abandoning the fans in my mind. A quick trip to the Danger Girl website reveals that issue #7's latest release dates have included August, October, and now theoretically, November. We'll see. For me, a win-win situation would be for the "Danger Girl" creators to get back wholeheartedly into the comic and leave the movies to "Charlie's Angels".
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Nov 05, 2000 11:20:56 PM CST
Sorry Taun Taun, believe the guy who says Danger is probably dea
by stilt-man
You can keep on hoping for a DG film, but considering that the only history behind DG is a series that has taken well over 1 1/2 years to see 7 issues released (assuming 7 came out like it was supposed too this month, after it has already missed one or two deadlines) does not bode well, plus a mediocre video game is not that much of an incentive to produce a high budget (which it would need not to become a russ meyer like t&a skin action film) film. Tomb Raider is a uber-successfull game and has a comic based on the game that has (or will have by december) more issues out in less than a year vs the almost 2 years it will take to see the same number of DG comics. Tomb Raider also has a writer and art team that will also ensure the book does not come out once every 6 months. Even if the similarities between DG and Charlies Angels are scant...I still would not expect a studio to gamble big money on a property that does not have something as significant as a tv show that ran for several seasons with what I presume at the time were pretty good ratings. In other words, millions of people were aware of CA, not less than 200,000 hard core fans willing to wait forever for a SLOOWW! comic to occasionally come out.
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The subject line says it all. It was stupid, somewhat predictable, had corny dialog, and no nudity. Still, I grinned like a shit eating fool all the way through this picture. I still like good old fashion drama and sci-fi and all the other types of film out there, but every once in a while its nice to have some realy cool, light hearted, ass kicking fun in a movie theatre, you know?
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Why is everyone dissin Drew? Whats up with that?I think she's adorable and most of us here knows she's a nice looking woman.
Oh yeah she's not as thin as Diaz or Liu, but she's not a fucking whale like some of make her, and i've always loved Drew since ET.
Thats an intresting list of replacements you got their Shakespear...I'll give you points for Theron,Lopez,and Hurley I would take them over Drew, but Neve,Jenifer Hewitt,Richards,and Anderson replacing her I'm sorry their acting is shitty and the fact that you mentioned them makes me assume that you're a teenager because those women you listed are hot among teens.Anniston and Drew in my book are equal so one wouldn't have worked better than the other
and Zeta-Jones is only a step above Anderson and co and I don't know who pick one is.It's a shame that you didn't even mention Gwenyth Paltrow cause she would worked better than Drew.Almost forgot is Lopez the only minorty in showbiz you could come up with?
To all the guys dissin Lucy Liu WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR EYES? She's a beautiful woman and in my opinion the best Angel. God I would hated to hear what some of you guys would've said about Laryn Hill had she been in the movie but had to back out for whatever the reason or Thandie Newton who backed out because of delays on MI2.So they got another woman of color who was pefect...well to me at least. -
darth siskel is a gay dickhead, and anybody who didnt like this movie is a complete fag.Anybody who doesnt want to see hot chicks kicking ass should go stick a dick in their mouths and shut the hell up!
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You know, I thought we were geeks here, not "serious film critics"? I mean, shit, everyone seems to be all aflutter about the upcoming Spiderman flick, but will take every opportunity to sound like thy're writing a letter to "Modern Review". Was The Matrix a probing examination of the human condition? I'm sure all these constant updates from the set of Star Wars Episode II are because of the way episode I reminded us all of The Bicycle Thief. Get over yourselves!!! Movies like CA were meant to entertain and it does it's job pretty damn well. Hell, I could go off on a "serious critic" tangent and say how refreshing it was to see Drew avenge herself on the creep who heaped abuse on her, where most movies would have Tom Green swing in through the window and save the day. And what is with all the Drew bashing going on, not to mention Cameron and Lucy? When you guys see these girls, what does the little voice in your head (either one of them) say? Chubby? Too thin? Cross eyed? No, the voice in your head says "She's waaaaaaay out of your league." Action films have been taking themselves way too seriously in recent years. Thank our hollywood gods that some one has finally remembered the phrase "tongue in cheek". Here's to the sequel. Oh, and a special shout out to The Gline. Yeah, that was a really cute comment there. It was even funnier when Roger Ebert said it about Mad Dog Time back in 1996. Next time credit your writers. Loser.
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You're obviosuly an intelligent person to formulate such an ingnorant, homophobic, stupid opinion. Has it ever occurred to you some people don't like the movie because it is objectively bad? Hot chicks and T&A do not a good movie make, buddy. Hey, I haven't seen it, but before you start acting like a self-righteous, bigoted prick, why don't you shut the hell up, okay? By the way, a good hot chicks kicking ass movie is "The Heroic Trio" and its sequel "The Executioners." Peace out, everyone vote on Tuesday
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Nov 06, 2000 3:53:58 AM CST
Just rent any HK movie if you want to see REAL women in Action
by spyboy
If anyone wants to see REAL action flicks with women in it just go check out Yes Madam (This film should be kissing the ground it walks on) Righting Wrongs, Interpol Connection etc. These films are the real deal. No doubt Drew, Cameron and Lucy are going to be praised for redefining the action film genre for women and that pisses me off because they haven't redefined anything except make a big joke out of a T.V. series. I guarantee that Cynthia Rothrock alone could beat the living shit out of those angels before they've even realized they were being attacked. Why not give Cynthia Rothrock her own movie, she could make these amateurs look like pre-schoolers in the ass-kicking stakes or better yet put her in the sequel where she can beat the living snot of all the angels until they cook up a way of beating her that involves hooking her up to an explosive device and running away.
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... watch CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON. 'nuff said.
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Yes, obviously I have no life if I saw the same flick three times in the same weekend, but to get repeating glimpses of Cameron's "heaven must be missing an angel" bedroom dance scenes, more Crispin Glover sinister, yet suave battles, and Lucy Liu dressed up as a Nordic Oktoberfest chick made it more than worth it, trust me.
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1. Hire a pretentious director with a self-applied one word name (here's a hint, you're not cool until we say you are, prove yourself first). 2. Get 27 different writers to write a script around getting 3 chicks into different revealing little outfits. Fuck plot, we WANT THOSE CUTE OUTFITS!!! 3. Rip off specific action / fight scenes from recent popular movies instead of borrowing from them and coming up with your own scenes. Use the same exact moves, as though they are lifted from other movies. 4. Write lots of dancing and booty shaking into the script, not dialog or story. You're hot and you know it, SHOW US YOUR ASS!!! 5. Any time there isn't something interesting going on in the dialog, look at each other and giggle like my little sister at a slumber party. Do this for the entire film, especially when you just pick up food at a drive through. For no reason wave your hands and yell WOO HOO!!! 6. More low shots of tires spinning and peeling out please. That kicks ass. 7. More fans on the set so every woman in the flick can look like a music video extra.
That's enough, I tried really hard to like this and just couldn't do it. I really tried. -
Nov 06, 2000 9:44:25 AM CST
Charlie's Angles: Last Action Hero meets Magnificent Trio w/ bad
by kampbell-kid
Films good points: Great casting and the girls have wonderful chemestry together.
Films bad points: Why do you take one of those most popular serious 80's tv dramas and make it campy as hell. I don't want to call it campy because Evil Dead is the benchmark of great campy. This was just pure lameness. The packed opening nite theater as were my best friends were just not taken by it. The only people who'd dig this film are people who like all of the above - dolby 5.1, mindless distruction, no plot, fight scenes & fx which serve no purpose in the film. I like that stuff personally, but when it's a remake of a popular network drama then I feel betrayed. We were also to fill out surveys afterwards and my friends just filled it out as campy and rippin off other films like Last Action Hero, Matrix, and Magnificent Trio. It's like making a A-Team movie with Mr.T and Hugo Weaving doing a drag abba dance number. It would've been great if it wern't so campy so much. -
..the scene where drew fights all those guys before moonwalking out. am i the only one who noticed a parallel (*SNEEZE* "RIPOFF!) of the same scene in IRON MONKEY?! c'mon already! there's homage, and then there's ripoff. the slo-mo bullet was obviously an homage to the MATRIX. the wholesale STEALING of the scene from IRON MONKEY was not. did McG just say, "do it exactly like that, because i don't know what else to do"?
i still had a good dumb time, and yes, there were some fun scenes, but it makes me wonder if they just weren't ripped off from somewhere else, which kinda takes away from the fun.
(*side note* directors with no originality should be exposed. is there a website out there that does that yet? just because you're ripping off from lesser know sources to the mainstream: foreign movies / anime, doesn't make it right. if you're going to do it, at least acknowledge it. i hear that scenes from the "ex-girlfriend" video for no doubt are ripped-off from scenes from the anime KITE. dumb-ass directors. do you think no one is going to know? i won't even get into THE CELL) -
Can someone please tell me why I can't take my eyes off this girl?!?!?! I agree she was the least developed of the Angel's, but oh well. AND SHE WOULD NOT BE DATING MATT LEBLANC!!! And to the poster who bagged on the look of the film- Angels was shot by Russell Carpenter, the same guy who shot TITANIC! Carpenter knows what he's doing! ps. I thought the wire fu was cool, what was more impressive was when the girls would do their own martial arts (Cameron Diaz kicking that dude in the restroom).
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It was pretty damn cool. Standouts for me were the precredit skydiving sequence and the car chase. I wanted the car chase to be longer because it was that cool. I remember having to remind myself to breathe after McFly's car hit the water. The freeze action fight stuff, like any new FX toy (remember morphing?) is not inherently bad, it just gets overused. I thought the first fight was done very well, though I thought that McFly should have given the girls a harder time. They looked pretty evenly matched and it's always more exciting watching a hero(ine) trying to figure out how to beat someone that's better than them. Also, I do agree with the previous poster regarding how they used up all their thunder in that first fight and none of the later fights matched it. The girls were wonderful - all of their very perfectly calculated imperfections - Lucy's culinary disasters, Drew's attraction to dorks, Cameron BEING a dork - you can't help but love them. Would have loved more Bill Murray and Tim Curry - the sumo scene was just surreal - God I wonder who's idea that was! So here's Bill on the couch being snuggled by Drew and Cameron and Lucy giving his "The heart is a muscle" speech, thinking - "It's times like this that I LOVE being me!" And subtle pulling at heart strings is allowed and even encouraged in something so over the top as this - Drew's abandonment complex and her resulting attatchment to the faceless father figure Charlie represents was very effective to me. I kind of welled up when Charlie said he had to watch over "some treasures" - of course I was pretty ripped . . .
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Nov 06, 2000 12:57:13 PM CST
So Sad that people cannot just be entertained by movies anymore
by rictus
I feel sorry for people who can't go to the movies to be entertained and have to be "moved" by every movie they see. How bleak and miserable your life must be that you have to be moved by cinema to enjoy it. I feel pity that you can't enjoy the simple pleasures in life and that your eternal quest for "hipness" makes you turn your nose up at anything that is not "high art". You remind me of all the sterotype art gallery patrons in every movie I have ever seen, snobbish and full of your own "greatness". Truly sad.
I saw Charlies Angels, expected it to suck and was pleasantly surprised. Anyone who went in there and expected great cinema and is mad because they feel cheated got what they deserved, you would have to be a flaming idiot to not figure out this was going to be tongue in cheek camp from the first 2 seconds of the trailer and I have no sympathy for you. As for the "rip off" comments, nooooo really? You seem to miss the whole point of the movie. It was making fun of itself. The TJ Hooker ("Another movie from and old TV show") joke set the whole thing up about as subtly as a mack truck.
Am I the only one who actually understood that the original Charlie's Angels was not the high minded Drama you all seem to think it was? Charlie's Angels was T&A camp.
On Drew- Face it she has baby fat cheeks, she is not a sex symbol, the comment about the Poison Ivy/Doppleganger Drew is 100%, she had her chance there and blew it with cutsey roles. Never Been Kissed anyone?
On Lucy- At her Payback best, The geek scene was hilarious
on Diaz- I don't like the bleached eyebrows but she was ok in this movie, all I got to say is that white cat suit..... ok I am back
on Crispin Glover- Still no where near as creepy as Agent Smith but the Creepy Thin Man was pretty cool. Part John Steed (Avengers), Part Agent Smith part Jet Li
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Guess what? I liked the movie. I thought it was one of the best movies of the year. Crispin Glover was awesome. Bill Murray rocked my world. Cameron Diaz is hot, Drew Barrymore is hot, Lucy Liu is hot, and Luke Wilson THE BEST OF ALL. Anyone who says that anyone is ugly in the film amuses me, with all your blubbering, you'd kiss her ass if you ever met her. But guess what. I liked the movie, therefore, while the rest of you bastard wallow in your bitching, I have attained Happiness. You're out of your element.
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This man is brilliant!...
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Everybody that's been making comments about the "flaws" of Lucy, Drew, and Cameron....exactly what do you find so unattractive about them? All the things that have been mentioned that some of the talkbackers see as ugly are exactly what makes these chicks even more lovely by comparison...they have unique physical appearances and aren't just straight barbie doll types.
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Hi all, have a quick question for the music experts out there. I noticed that several of the songs used in the movie are not on the soundtrack (they happen to be the songs that I like). I know that one of them is "Smack My B*tch Up" by Prodigy. The other starts off with a sample from, I believe, the old Godzilla movies and then moves in to a rap. Can anyone tell me what that second song is? Thanks in advance!
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Check out EclipseMagazine.com (http://www.eclipsemagazine.com) they are giving away free Gladiator and X-Men DVDs. Let's start by saying that Charlie's Angels is a hard movie to defend. The direction is awful; it had bad acting, a substandard script, and the action sequences where a pale imitation of John Woo - the old adage that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery doesn't hold up here. But somehow this incredible mess of a movie manages to turn into 90-minutes of clean, kitschy, cheesy fun.
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You fans of this movie have got to got to got to be kidding me. Although I haven't had the honor of seeing Battlefield Earth, this film easily earns worst film of the years honors from this film pilgrim. The entire monstrosity just reeked of trying to be super-frigging cool.........to the point that only a film that tries this hard could be this bad. It takes a world of effort and countless attempts at "coolness" to even approach making a film this bad. And trust me, I'm no ballbuster. I ain't hard to please. This is coming from the man who walked out of Blair Witch 2 quite satisfied. Hell, at least that film made an attempt to bring original ideas to the table. Never, however, have I experienced such an empty and wretched vacuum such as this 92 minute excursion into T&A&MTV. Most of us here will bemoan the state up current movies, yet we'll reward financially and with word of mouth a film that best illustrates just what is wrong with movies. To wit: I'm not the first here to comment on the utter lack of originality. Just look elsewhere here to see the moderate Mission Impossible thefts and the blatant anal rippings from The Matrix. But there also wasn't one quiet second in this film. Countless movies have been derided as being just a long music video. But this is the first film where this is literally true. This is MTV garbage at its absolute worst. I am no high and mightly film critic, but this is the first time in my life I have ever felt like an old man when watching a film. I longed for the good old days of 1993 and Jurassic Park. I ultimately fear this may be a precedent type of movie, in the sense that since this film has done so well, the bar has been lowered even further. And speaking of bars, it would take me about three hours in one consuming grain alcohol to believe that Drew Barrymore is 1/1000th as good looking as she believes she is. I tire of Hollywood movies parading one good looking woman after another in front of us, but gosh darn it, if you're going to do that, do it right.
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I don't see many girls posting all i see are guys saying cameron diaz's swirling ass woohoo!! All i have to say is that she looks sick the other two i like but cameron needs to choke down a couple whoppers. I want to see this movie just for the baddie Mcfly or whatever because i saw a scene with him and i was like... cool, but anyway T&A is something ill have to choke down if i go to see this movie
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1)What was the joke you ask? Well, I do think some of the defenders are overstating the notion that the movie was all parody, but there were definite moments of it, notably poking fun at the original show (the forced exposition, the assignments that inevitably involve T&A disguises, the giddy "oh Charlie!" attitude of the girls, etc.). The rest of the humor was of the "everything but the kitchen sink" style" I mentioned in my original post. There were sight gags (every shot of Bill Murray), bits of character humor (Cameron Diaz on the phone with her boyfriend), and plenty of moments of pure loopiness (Lucy Lui as corporate dominatrix, Cameron Diaz dancing on "Soul Train"). You're right, there was no one style, nor did I feel that the film had a particular "vision". Didn't bother me. It was an indulgence flick on the order of, say, "Cannonball Run", I just had a lot more fun watching Drew Barrymore indulge herself than Burt Reynolds ;) A good bit of the humor fell flat for me too, but the wildly energetic music video style of the film and enthusiasm of the leads kept winning me back. Easily. 2)I think the "Matrix rip-off" argument is misguided. "Matrix" brought Hong Kong f/x and wire-fu to American shores and popularized it for the masses. Why does that mean those f/x are taboo for any other film to ever use? The folks in Hong Kong sure have no problem with recycling them! I mean, John Woo gunplay was overexposed a few years back, but that doesn't mean that directors should straight-up be forbidden from employing elements of it! Even a bad movie like "Desperado" got some mileage out of imaginative gunfights derived from John Woo's style. Let me put it this way - a movie that has Grand Prix cars playing chicken is entitled to have its heroes doing over-the-top acrobatics. Wire-fu and f/x-assisted acrobatics are just an energetic new way to present that. Inappropriate for a straight cop drama, sure, but perfectly appropriate for a film as bombastic as "Charlie's Angels". 3)As for rating the relative success of "Charlie's Angels'" T&A...well, to each his own. I enjoyed it on the same level I enjoyed the semi-nekkid ladies in "Flash Gordon" - a little risqu
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Nov 07, 2000 1:20:43 AM CST
Oh hell. ED 209, my long-winded response to you got bounced to t
by dave_f
Drift up there if you want to see some counter-arguments. And Harry, as this site continues to grow, any chance you could please, for the love of Christ, hire a computer guru to make the Talkbacks work! They're one of the main draws for repeat customers, and when they fail, to quote "Airplane's" Ted Striker..."what a pisser."
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Look, I saw Charlie's Angels, and I enjoyed it for the most part. Scenes were not ripped-off, the movie poked fun at the action genre and satirized elements of it. You can't make fun of something and have it be funny if nobody knows what you're making fun of. That's logic. They do the same type of thing on "The Simpsons." For example, there was an episode with Sideshow Bob where they blatantly satirized Cape Fear. Is that ripping the movie off? No, it's making fun of it to amuse us. That's what Angels did. It would be ripping a movie off if a scene was copied and meant to be serious. Nothing in Angels was meant to be serious. Somebody said something about Drew fighting in the chair being a rip-off of a Hong Kong action movie. Maybe. But, hard as it is to believe, sometimes two different people can have the same idea without knowing someone else had it. And besides, the whole "tell you how I'm gonna kick your ass and then do it" is an action movie classic. I seriously doubt if it was copied from one specific movie. As for the action, no fight scene in the movie topped that first one with Crispin Glover. I loved that fight. It alone is almost worth going to see the movie again . . . almost.
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Despite having some of my favorite things like Bill Murray, Spider-Man and Cameron Diaz in lederhosen(I thank the makers for the gamut of fetishism), there was little else to get excited about. Someone told me he loved it because it was fun-but empty. That passes for a good time at the movies? A movie can't just be "fun", there has to be something else. Toy Story 2 was an excellent movie that was fun. And it angers me to hear that people compare McG to John Woo.
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Just read the talkback and forgot to mention the fabulous return of George Mcfly!
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Scroll up to my out-of-order post at the top of this Talkback and you'll see why I think "Charlie's Angels" works even though it's empty-headed.
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Crispin Glover and Bill Murray were the best part of the movie, and Kelly Lynch was to me more effective than any of the three leads. Drew Barrymore who I usually love is too down to earth to be an Angel and something about her screams "70s TV fan." That type is supposed to be in the audience, not in the film. Lucy Liu is sure pretty but in this movie she doesn't have enough personality or sense of humor. Maybe it's the writing. Cameron Diaz is good but she's made to be too goofy. I also thought they didn't have much chemistry. And all that digi-fu...it doesn't have the charm of wire-fu, and even wire-fu doesn't work unless it's unusually funny or clever, which wasn't the case here. As others say, the director seems to be intent on a 90 minute music video or trailer. I think those things are effective precisely because they're about 5 minutes long. Still---I did like CA. It was entertaining within its limits and had a certain sweetness and it evoked the TV show nimbly; made me feel like I was 7 and had just dumped a pack of sea monkeys into a fishbowl.
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