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Bruce Timm's JUSTICE LEAGUE of AMERICA Animated Series Is Coming!
Hey folks, Harry here with a Coaxial tidbit for ya. Seems that Bruce Timm has been developing a JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA animated series for the WB. I've been getting emails all weekend about Timm and the WB being all set to announce this very very soon. Can't wait to hear the details...
Heya Harry,
Hey, this is Niko, long time reader, and grateful for the work you and
the crew do on the site! I got wind of some news that is making the rounds
this weekend, that a Bruce Timm JLA Animated Series is about to be announced!
Apparently, word broke from someone at Film Roman (who oddly enough is doing
the new X-Men toon) from someone who used to be a WB-er, and decided to spill
the beans that it is going to happen! Ahhh! How cool is that? Now if we can
just find some info on what time frame it takes place, I'll be as happy as a
masturbating sugar-glider! So get to it Boss Monkey, I wanna know what the
dilly is!
Always Greek-o, and a Freak-o,
--Niko
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The best fucking news in the world and we don't get a roster!! Ah well. We can hope its the magnificent 7 and ELONGATED MAN and not that crap replacement Plastic Man. That was the biggest shame. PLEASE, PLEASE let Ralph Dibney be in this. Also, an appearence by the Question would be the king of the world. Take it easy gents, and I WANNA HEAR THE ROSTER!!!!!
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Alright, now THIS is what qualifies as cool news! Timm's mentioned potential JLA projects in many an interview, but he's always voiced the fear that when you put multiple heroes together, they all become inherently less interesting as they vie for meager screentime. He's got a point, but actually, his awareness of the potential pitfalls is probably what makes him the PERFECT GUY FOR THE JOB. Seriously, Timm can do no wrong in my opinion. He even succeeded on "Batman Beyond", a project initiated by venal marketing execs whose exclusive goal was to create a marketable teen hero. Harry, if this great news should turn out to be false, I'll be forced to defect to Film Threat and live amongst the bitchers and whiners alongside their king, the Warrior.
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And the winner, by the way, is clearly Plastic Man. Created in 1943, Plas likely predates that Elongated poseur by at least two decades, if not more. The early Plastic Man comics rock, too, what with the brilliant cartooning of Jack Cole and some of the most bizarre and hilarious plots ever conceived (Exhibit 'A' is the recent Plastic Man Archives issued by DC). Now, Greensleeves, as deluded as you are, I will have to agree that Plastic Man shouldn't be in the JLA. In fact, he shouldn't even be in the DC Universe at all (and he wasn't originally). Like Captain Marvel, Plastic Man was a brilliant, humourous superhero that existed in his own cool world until DC yahoos performed a little shotgun wedding and crammed 'em into the mix with their hundreds of other superheroes. Freakin' hillbillies. As for Ralph "Elongated Man" Dibney...eh, he's alright for a third rate Plastic Man/Mister Fantastic. I guess his detective shtick is at least original, and he was used to decent effect in recent issues of "Starman". How about this concept though - NO stretchy guys at ALL in the JLA! I want Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Green Arrow, Hawkman & Hawkwoman, and even that lamer, Aquaman. Or any permutation of the above. The Question? Bah, that's Charlton Comics territory. The JLA needs to stick with their original big guns.
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Oct 23, 2000 7:14:50 AM CDT
I was under the impression Timm didn't really like the idea of a
by andy travis
In an interview in Comictopia he said it was a bad idea because of the problem of dealing with so many characters. It sounded like it was more of Paul Dini's thing, anyway. There IS the Batman Beyond 2-parter coming up with a JLA of the future, but that's all I was aware of. Who knows?
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He beat me to the punch. Yep, Jack Cole was great. A smooth, clean line and genuinely funny stories. His Midnight strips were pretty good as well.
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The JLA appearance in Batman Beyond is a definite, so maybe that's what led to this rumor. That'd be a shame. On the other hand, Timm took on Batman Beyond in the first place at least partially out of fear that if he didn't do it, someone else might REALLY screw things up. I can imagine that same logic leading him to a regular JLA cartoon, at least in theory. Imagine the horror of Marvel's animation studios getting their grubby mitts on DC's mightiest heroes. I shudder, and I'm sure Timm does too. Sidebar: those that haven't read about the JLA in Batman Beyond should know that it WON'T be comprised of the classic members, although there may be some related members. I forget the exact line-up, but I do know Kirby's Big Barda is in there somewhere. That's a cool chick.
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If this rumor is true, Im anxiously awaiting details myself. I've been a fans of the previous WB superhero works, and will have high hopes for this project. Is Paul Dini working this as well? And I'm curious about the line up. My biggest hope on that is the Martian Manhunter is used. He has been a linchpin for the League for just about every group and I've become a big fan of his since Ostrander and Mandrake decided to develop this character and finally show everything that makes him tick. I have been reading the JLA relaunch which has become one of my few favorite comics in a while. Grant Morrison (and now Mark Waid) managed to write good action stories while giving each character thir own traits to make interactions interesting (Batman's decisiveness vs. Superman's idealism vs. Green Lantern's newness vs. Flash's glibness, etc.) I hope this recent tradtion is carried into an animated JLA series. Oh, just for the record, I like Plastic Man in the JLA. The bit where he became the Huntress's clothing was priceless.
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JLA should definitely consist of the "big guns." Corny cheeseball superheros will ruin it. No reason there can't be the occasional cameo, though (read: Blue Devil)
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Let's face facts, Guy Gardner should be in this 'toon just because he's the most interesting of all the Green Lanterns. NO WAY should Hal be involved and same with John. Maybe Kyle, but at the same time bring Guy in as his coach and show the Warrior as he is now. Older and wiser, but still a bad mofo. Word up, Zubalove OUT.
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Oliver Queen, that is (nothing against Connor Hawke, but seriously folks, Ollie is Green Arrow!). And he's gotta wear the classic Neal Adams costume, and not that ugly-ass golden age thing (tho Mike Grell's outfit is pretty sharp as well). And Ollie's got to get into at least one fight with Hawkman every episode. :-) With the fanboy frenzy surrounding Kevin Smith's relaunch of Green Arrow in the comics, they'd be fools to leave out DC's resident gadfly! Of course, when you're talking about a lineup including DC's Big 7, I don't think you'll get Wonder Woman, unfortunately. Aren't hear right tied up in some kind of exclusivity hell? No matter, we've got Black Canary ready to hop in an take her place, the hottest fishnet-weaking kung-fu chick in comicsdom. MMMMMMM.... Black Canary!
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***Superman - A must, but he's SO powerful that maybe he should be more of an emergency member. ***Martian Manhunter - True, the general public doesn't know him from Adam, but he IS the heart of the JLA. He's like Hawkeye in the Avengers. Gotta have 'im, maybe even as leader. ***Batman - I'd really like to see him on board, handled as much the same take-charge bad-ass that Grant Morrison made him. I'd be cool with him as an emergency member like Supes, though, because you know Batman's constantly bustin' his ass cleaning up Gotham alone. ***Aquaman - Has this guy ever been interesting? No, but he's a tradition, so break him out in those odd episodes involving lakes, oceans, inlets, or fjords. No stupid hook-arm though. Looks goofy when he swims. ***Green Arrow - Caius is absolutely right, we need a pissed-off Green Arrow raising hell in the JLA, and Ollie is the only man for the job. And to offer an appropriate foil... ***Hawkman - Potentially as lame as Aquaman, this guy showed potential for the first time when Tim Truman and John Ostrander revamped him. I'd like the cartoon to recreate the "space-cop" attitude they gave him. Medieval mace in one hand, laser pistol in the other, and a right-wing attitude to go toe-to-toe against that leftie extremist, Green Arrow! ***Hawkwoman - Seems sexist to exclude her, but there's probably only room for one bird-themed superhero, and, well, the JLA *is* kind of a boy's club... ***Wonder Woman - The League needs her as their true powerhouse and the female answer to Superman. Play her with a fierce, Amazonian warrior-mentality and surprise audiences with her toughness. If Caius is correct and the character's tied up in legal red tape though... ***Black Canary - A viable alternative, but they'll have to work to make her an interesting character. If they play up her relationship and sparring with Green Arrow, she could be cool. And Bruce Timm draws THE cutest cartoon chicks. ***The Flash - Needs to be in, and he's already appeared on the Superman 'toon. Crap episode, but the hotshot nature of his character will create good friction. ***Green Lantern - Should be the same Kyle Rayner version we saw on the Superman cartoon. I'd never seen the new GL before that episode, but was quite impressed with how they handled him. Better than Hal Jordan.
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***Zatanna - Good idea, PacoChaos. She's already been on Batman, so she's a shoo-in for the occasional bought with supernatural badness. ***Supergirl - Another cutie we've already seen, and potentially Wonder Woman's replacement if the character is unavailable. ***Metamorpho - Might make a good freak for the group. Remember what the animators achieved with Clayface... ***Guy Gardner - Hate this guy, but I guess that's the point. He'd be a good replacement for Kyle for a few episodes, making Hawkman look positively moderate. No long-winded GL history or explanation of him becoming Warrior, though. Keep it simple for the audience and just make him "that asshole Green Lantern". ***Dr. Fate - Never liked any incarnation of this guy. Rejected in favor of Zatanna. ***Firestorm - Dark horse candidate here, I know, but I always liked the concept behind him (dumb kid with near Green Lantern-level powers fused with the disembodied intelligence of a college professor). Shouldn't be a regular by any means, but howsabout the occasional guest stint? ***The Huntress - No. ***Steel - No. ***Any of Jack Kirby's New Gods - No.
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I love Plastic Man! He's a hoot! But anyway, you have to admit, just as with the JLA comic that's out there now, Plas would allow for a dash of humor so you can make the rest of the members deadly serious. Anyway, aside from Plas I'm all for just the original line-up. Hell, all you really need is Supes, Bats, WW, Flash and Green Lantern. After that, it's all extra members. Sure, I'd like to see Martian Manhunter and GA vs. HM (But please not that lame-ass fish talkin' Aquaman), as well as guest appearances by lesser knowns, but all in all Bruce only needs to focus on a core membership of 6 or so. On a related note, I too think the Huntress should not show up in the new JLA series. She should make appearances as a recurring character in Batman Beyond, instead. Anyway, as I finish my rambling, is there anyone that doesn't love the exchanges between Bats and Plas in the comics? If they could translate that to the screen...
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Like all you JLA fans out there, I have to say that I was estatic to finally find a promising sucessor to the campy (but lovable) Superfriends' JLA. But, as I recall, Harry had an interview with Timm during San Diego Con (?) and he said that a Kingdom Come-era JLA would probrably show-up on the small screen.
As much as we would love the present day Big 7 as the animated series. The Kingdom Come JLA would be pretty bad-ass. If done right this could be a series on par with the Timm's first Batman series (before Robin): Gritty, complex and for many comic fans reminiscent of "The Watchmen." If this is the case, us fanboys should be proud.
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If it's true. Still, I wanted to mention a couple things. First, Plas was Barda's dress in the JLA comic, to whomever said Huntress. Second, I want to make my own little statement about roster. As much as I absolutely love Superman, and to a lesser extent Batman, will they be in this show? I'm guessing not. Also, we probably won't see Wonder Woman. For that reason, I'm saying J'onn, Supergirl, Zatanna, Steel, Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman. Seven's a manageable number, and you've got a little diversity: genius, strength, speed, some humor, and some magic. Oh, and some fishnets. Yeah.
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The best thing would be to use the superb Grant Morrison plots and to stick to that rosta...
That means no Hawkman (he was rubbish anyway) and no Ollie (shame he was pretty cool - Conner is better though) and more of characters like Zauriel, Conner Hawke and Aztec...
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I need a superhero fix since WB took off my Batman and Superman cartoons. This oughtta do the trick. I'm not a huge JLA fan, but you have to have the Flash in there. He introduced me to the world o' superherodom back when I was a kid and they had that Flash TV show. Still makes me misty thinking about it.
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Forget the JLA (Allright, let's not - it would be very cool) - but how 'bout a GL animated series? You could use the Kyle Rayner/Hal Jordan hybrid from Superman animated (basically Kyle in the superior Gil Kane suit - the new suit sucks) - mix in some villains from the Silver Age (Sinestro, Star Sapphire), etc. and you'd have a show that would kick ass... Better yet, with CGI you could make an amazing live-action movie - Harry and others - are either of these on the boards?
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Oct 23, 2000 1:12:27 PM CDT
Could it possibly match the amazing glory that is 'Buzz Lightyea
by lshb
Or whatever it's called. Nothing reinforces how well animated (albeit with CGI) the Toy Story films were like an incredibly choppy and poorly-rendered saturday morning spin-off. I found myself wishing for the days of the Mon-Chi-Chis.
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I hope this is true. And I hope it is the main guys (ie-Batman, Superman, Green Lantern< Flash, etc). And as much as I would like Wonder Woman in it. I don't think she can. I read that Wonder Woman is tied up in some kind of legal aggreement that is why Barda and not WW is going to be in the Batman Beyond JLA episode.
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Go here; http://www.eurocompton.net/brucetimm/index.html ***They've got some stuff Timm's been dinkin' around with for a few years. Not the deffinate model sheets, but it'll give you a good idea what to expect IF this rumor holds out to be true!
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Bats & Supes: They have their own series, don't expect to see them in anything more than an episode or two. (IMHO)
As Far as the rest of the cast: Gotta have Guy Gardener. Kyle's great, but he's not nearly as entertaining. Canary's fine. I'd kinda like to see cameos from Booster & Beetle. Add in Aquaman (WITH the hook, thank you very much), Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, Fire & Ice, and possibly Mr. Miracle & Barda. Animate the Bats/Gardener fight. Let it start out humorous, but make it darker as the season rpogresses and the heroes begin to understand the gravity of their roles as Earth's prime defenders. Show some human interaction between them. Let them bicker, laugh, and cry. Give them interesting villains, and problems. Make sure each charachter is unique (not just the same guy with diff powers). Do all of this right, and add in some quality animation and cool storylines, and People will be saying "X-Who?"
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Try going here; http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/5985/jla.gif ** an ACTUAL JLA pic Bruce Timm worked on a long time ago. Sorry about the other link, I was sure they'd have it there! But, it's still a pretty damn cool site
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Althought that is a cool shot. I don't think that is a JLA shot. Most were guest characters on Superman.
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Please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong, but...
Things I've heard:
1. The last episode of the current Batman Beyond season will feature Superman coming to recruit the Batman for the newest incarnation of the JLA
2. This is the last season for Batman Beyond.
3. Batman is gone.
4. Superman is gone.
5. Timm (and others) have mentioned what a pain it is to work out the licensing on other characters.
Add all of those up, and it seems logical that we will have JLA Beyond. Established big characters with established licensing and freedom to create new characters at will.
(If not, there is no reason not to use both of the big guns since their shows are off the air.)
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I think a JLA show without Supes and Bats is just a waste of time. Since both the Superman and Batman animated series have wrapped up production of any new episodes, I'd think JLA will be an extension of the "universe" created in those shows. After all, the "revamped" Batman show that appeared alongside the new Supes show actually took place a couple of years after the first Batman show. JLA would just continue on after that.
Plus, we've already seen many DC heroes on Batman and Superman. Supes introduced Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Dr. Fate, Supergirl and the New Gods. Batman has given us Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Zatanna, Etrigan the demon, the Creeper and maybe more. Not to say that they'll all be a part of the JLA, but I think these episodes hinted that the producers wanted to show a larger "universe" beyond the cartoons that they were just waiting to get a chance to explore.
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I was at the San Diego Comic-Con earlier this year,and I remeber some fan asked the panel of Paul Dini and Bruce Timm if there would ever be a JLA animated show. All Bruce Timm would say was a very cryptic "maybe" I later read somewhere that Paul Dini said that JLA was Bruce Timm's project (although I'm sure he will be involved in some capacity) They have already introduced Aquaman, Flash and Green Lantern on Superman, so It seems logical that they would be available for a JLA show.I also would assume that with Superman/Classic Batman no longer on the air, WB would want to keep those two franchises alive for merchandising reasons. As for Wonder Woman, they can use her on a regular basis, but getting permission to use her for a few minutes of cameo appearance was apparently not worth it to the Batman Beyond producers, which is why she was not used for the upcoming "Future JLA" episode of Batman Beyond. So there is what I know...anyone else have any info?
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I want to preface this by saying that I am a huge Batman fan. That in mind, I go on...
1. Superman. You need Big Blue...if not, you have to go with the Big Cheese, Captain Marvel (or, as he would have to be called on the series, Shazam)
2. Martian Manhunter - I wasn't going to reveal this until the end, but Batman isn't on the team (only in cameos every 10th episode...arbitrary number). To appease the fans with a fanboy pick and to cover up the lack of a detective, I nominate MM.
3. Power Girl - I know there are legal hangups with WW, and Barda is going to be on the future JLU, so why not go with PG. I think we bring her in as the rookie...maybe even allude to how in awe she is of the League...kind of like Kyle Rayner.
4. Aquaman - Perhaps the only way to ever make him cool is to put him on the cartoon. He is so underrated as a character.
5. Flash - Need Wally! Must have Wally! But I think we need to know the entire Flash Family Tree...the loss of Barry, and maybe a tip of the hat to Jay. Then again, I'd even be up for Jay instead of Wally, but Wally was already on Superman.
6. Hawkman or Green Arrow. Carter or Ollie. Left or Right. It'd be great to have both, but you have to choose one. It's a toss up, but I think you go with Ollie.
7. Green Lantern - If you go with Kyle, he is now a little more experienced (from his initial cartoon debut). If you go with (wishful thinking) Hal, you have a winner. But GUY IS THE MAN!
8. Zatanna - Need a magician and need another woman. Perhaps the female Dr. Fate.
The only way Bats makes the team is if they don't use Supes.
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but Blue Devil is DEAD. He was killed in the new Star man Series. And a few others in Justice League Europe.
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If anybody can make a kick ass JLA cartoon, it's the Timm - Dini - Burnett team! They already introduced the Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman into the Superman show, and did a wonderful job adapting all three characters. I always thought it was a shame that they never got around to introducing Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel into the animated shows. Let's hope it comes to pass, and if it does, guys, PLEASE use the JLA Satellite!
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Mark Evanier will be story-editing the series, I'm sure.
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it's a tiny marsupial... it has skin at the sides of it's body so it can glide. looks like a very tiny cross between a bat and a flying squirrel. imagine one masturbating and that's your answer i guess...
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Oct 24, 2000 1:31:19 AM CDT
Thank you Timm! Now just keep Aquaman on the fucking bench!!!
by horseflesh
Last thing we need is another series of watching fishface make wavy lines come out of his head the second he sees water. That's *if* he sees water. Maybe he can just keep the hall of justice clean... cook or something... yeah...
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I would prefer a show after the style of the JLA year one. This would allow the home viewer to be slowly introduced to these characters. Three of the JLA have already been introduced (Flash, Aquaman, and Green Lantern) on the Superman series.
Having a smaller team allows the non comic reader a chance to get used to the characters in small doses. A smaller team in more managable and by using just the JLA year one team (the three above with Martian Manhunter and Black Canary) there is a smaller chance of any of these characters being removed to star in their own series. Less licensing hassles. JLA Year One is a cool story, we can have a ton of guest stars (Superman, Green Arrow, Doom Patroland lots of other heroes all appearred in the story)and we won't have to fight over which stretchy guy should be on the team. -
Oct 24, 2000 9:28:57 AM CDT
If Brainiac Gets Pants...Solomun Grundy Wants Pants Too.
by removed_user
Bring Back The Legion Of Doom.
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The True JLA roster is :
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
The Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
and last but not least (in size that is) Plastic Man!
This is a good roster. If you don't like it, well, i guess you won't like the cartoon because this is it!
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Am I crazy? I could swear there was a live action, high cheese factor JLA TV special. It was about two hours long and I know for sure Hawkman was in it, but that's all I can remember. It came on round about the time Hulk was big on TV, and The Star Wars Holiday Special and that show were two air force guys went around investigating UFO claims, and at the end of eat they would pronounce each one either a hoax or unsolved. Man, ever get the feeling you've wasted your precious childhood?
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Yep, there really was a JLA made for TV movie. There's a great review at http://www.ohthehumanity.com/review.php3?ID=416
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Please have the Atom and Firestorm. In a lot of the recent Superman/JLA comics Atom has been making many more appearances.
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cough cough - horray! Paul Dini doesn't want MORE work does he ? hehe
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I think this is a terrible idea. I could never imagine this working, and Dini and Timm have been saying for years that it wouldn't work. The last season of Superman fell to pieces because of all of the weak episodes where Superman had to team up with lesser characters like Green Lantern, Aqua Man, Steel, Supergirl and whatever the Apokolips guy was called. At their peaks Batman and Superman were shows that worked because they were so finely tuned to the characters they were centered around. Guest appearances only worked when they carefully planned the chemistry between the characters, like in World's Finest or the Flash episode. How is that going to work when they're fitting five or six different people with super powers into 22 minutes? I have a hard time imagining it not being like the worst Superman episodes where you just have a bunch of people flying around shooting different colors of beams at each other and you lose all interest in story and character. I'm sure this is the same fanboy wishful thinking we've been hearing for years. I hope they are able to continue Batman Beyond instead. I saw Return of the Joker and thought aside from a few weak spots in the dialogue it was really great. Certainly much better than Sub Zero. Then I watched last week's episode "Out of the Past" and it was one of the best ever. Great animation, great sense of humor and a very emotional story about Bruce Wayne facing his own mortality. They're on a roll again, it would be a shame if now they had to drop everything and figure out how the hell to make Green Lantern cool to non-DC fanatics. I mean, okay, he's cooler than Lobo but that's not saying much.
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Oct 25, 2000 8:21:56 AM CDT
Bryan, gotta disagree with you on many points... (beware, long-a
by dave_f
First off, I don't recall the last season of "Superman" falling apart at all. The Aquaman and Steel episodes *were* weak, but I chalk that up to poor writing in general, not some inherant drawback to guest stars. On the contrary, I thought the Green Lantern episode was great, and dug pretty much any episode where Supergirl or denizens of Apokolips showed (the Kalibak one excepted). Oddly, the Flash episode that you thought worked was another one I thought failed due to poor plotting. And I can't believe you'd disparage Lobo when his two-parter held some of the best writing on the entire series! ****** Now, I'll readily agree that managing a successful team cartoon presents some rough logistical problems, but as I've mulled the concept, I think I've come up with a few solutions. Incidentally, I don't think the task of making Green Lantern "cool to non-DC fanatics" is a problem at all. Basically, if the cartoon is good, kids will take to the characters, period. The sheer novelty value of a GOOD SUPERHERO TEAM CARTOON (has there ever been one before?) will be a strong draw in and of itself. And don't underestimate the DC fanatics either - I think they're a sizeable constituency for the Batman and Superman cartoons, and since they're largely in a 20+ age bracket, they've got some of the purchasing power to keep Warner Brothers happy. And a decent number of 'em have kids of their own to bring into the fold, adding to their importance as viewers. ******* Now let's get specific - how do you work five, six, or seven characters into a 22-minute cartoon. Surely an almost impossible task to deal with successfully on a regular basis, and that's why I don't think they should even try. The way this series could work is if the League has a large membership (between 7 and 12), but since they've got their own individual responsibilities, they'll rarely all be around at once. Let's say Martian Manhunter is the one core member, perhaps even the leader. Depending on the scale and type of threat, he'll call appropriate members to deal, creating smaller teams of three, four, and five. I'm talking focused mission teams, not unlike...I have to admit it...the G.I.Joe cartoon of my youth. I like the idea that sometimes the JLA will be effectively short-staffed, because Superman's off chasing Brainiac or Green Lantern is in another galaxy, so occasionally the teams will be severely underpowered to deal with some major threats. You know, an alien terrorist force just put into Earth orbit, and Batman, Green Arrow, and Wonder Woman are all the Manhunter can muster on short notice. Could be fun I think! ******* But sometimes, you DO wanna see the League en masse, and part two of my solution is that the series should feature more two-, three-, even five-parters than most cartoons, in order to showcase the BIG MENACES. So when Darkseid invades, you DO get the JLA in full force, and the members won't get short-changed fighting for screen time. Naturally, the series should launch with a multi-parter (ala "Superman") to intro all the players. I admit, multi-parters on Saturday mornings aren't something we've seen often, but it was very successful for the "X-Men" 'toon, and besides, don't Dini and Timm specialize in innovation? ****** Last point - I think Timm, at least, may be softening in his resolve to never do a superhero team. In a recent interview in Comicology magazine, he sounds very enthusiastic for what he and Dini accomplished in the two-part future-JLA episode that'll serve as the last episode of "Batman Beyond". To quote Timm himself: "When the JLA episode airs, people are *definitely* going to want to see a Justice League series because, somehow, even though it was as problematical as I predicted - way too many characters, way too many setpieces, way too much stuff happening; it was a hell of an episode to do - it's going to be a really exciting episode, the characters interact really well together, and in that respect the episode worked." Not a 100% glowing endorsement of team cartoons, but I do sense an enthusiasm for the idea that I hadn't seen before. This JLA rumor may turn out to be bullshit in a few days, but I maintain that a JLA cartoon could work, and work brilliantly, and if anyone can pull it off it's Dini and Timm.
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Blue Devil was only MOSTLY dead... He was ressurrected in the "Day of Judgment" Miniseries, and is now the primary muscle of an all mage supergroup (which includes Phantom Stranger, Madame Xanadu, Faust, Zatanna... and a couple of others.) The VERY dead Hal Jordan was ressurected as the new Spectre in the same mini. Yup, I'm geek enough to keep up on such nonsense.
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...to which Withnail is referring is called 'Legends of the Super Heroes.' There is a review posted at http://www.auschron.com/issues/dispatch/1999-11-19/screens_video3.html
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This is realy, REALLY old news. This was announced on 4colorreview about 2 months ago!!
Yer slipping Harry.
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Not featuring every member in every episode seems like the proper and sensible way to handle JLA, just the way GI Joe was handled way back when. And five-part miniseries are overdue for a come back. What's with the shows today? Are kids really that braindead, they can't follow an all week story arch? Is this marketing/bean-counter nonsense, or bad writing? Gargoyles was last show to keep going like that, and it died young. Oh well, the animation geek is a very very sad geek in America. About this "who should be on the team" debate, what's so wrong with the durrent roster? So you don't like Plastic Man--big deal. I'd rather him than some other obscure character. Let's face it, the obvious comic relief will suffer Jar Jar syndrome and be loathed by everyone here because they hate forced humor(except on Buffy, Buffy's always cool). But the roster of the current strip is great(assuming Batman returns). I don't know how the show will handle the Flash's secret identity, but the Kyle Rayner GL of the Superman show is a must(He's the best GL, no contest, I'm not a Gardner fan and he wasn't on Superman so HAH). Besides, GL and Flash as they appeared on Superman would have great group chemistry--cocky speedster and wet-behind-the-ears young/reluctant superhero. The others . . . well Aquaman will probably be the Silver Age clean cut he was on Superman, but since that would be too boring I'm guessing his personality will get reworked for the group. Ditto for Steel if he's used. And Batman and Superman are themselves. And Martian Manhunter should be in this hands down. But I don't know what the Wonder Woman mess is all about. I guess another court miracle like the Spider-Man deal isn't likely any time soon. I can't see a true JLA show without her. Ah well, maybe I assume too much to think the obvious choices will be used. I just don't agree with the idea that a team of characters is too problematic for an animated show. Shit, it worked for BeastWars! Maybe Timm's fears are related to the WB's commitment problems when it comes to non-Pokemon animated projects.
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From a good rumor source -
Batman
Robin
Superman
Aquaman (no hook)
Wonder Woman (they got her)
Flash
Green Lantern (Kyle in the new, easy to animate costume seen in the Superman Animated series)
With cameos by
Hawkman
The Atom
Look familiar? That's right! It's the SUPERFRIENDS all over again. Don't believe me? Wait and see. Expect the team to get broken into mission groups each episode so they don't hafta find a way to convincingly script all the characters into one episode. Can anyone say "Monitor Duty"? -
Amidst all this clamor for the Guy Gardners and Kyle Raynors, etc. may I make a case for the ORIGINAL JLA? Why not a retro feel for the show? It certainly workded for Batman and Superman, why not the JLA? Why not have the core membership be Superman, Batman, Flash (Barry Allen) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) The Atom, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, Martian Manhunter and Green Arrow. Possibly Aquaman occasionally. You gotta give him SOMETHING to do.
These guys had more personality in their little fingers than this new generation of characters they designed to get teens to buy books. And think of the stories you could have. Maybe they could finally make some sense of the Crisis On Infinite Earths mess. I'm sure I'm in the minority as I read comics for fun and was never a "fanboy" but I always thought the old school heroes had it all over this bunch of angst ridden crybabies and jackbooted thugs that they've replaced em with. -
Why would you need a cartoon to make sense of a comic book series that was published 15 years ago? How does Crisis have ANYTHING to do with a potential JLA cartoon? Most of the show's potential audience wasn't even born when that series was done. They don't know about or care about Crisis. Why do comic fans always think another media's adaptation will jibe with the COMIC BOOK continuity? I remember reading some posts from Spider-Man fans saying that filmmakers COULDN'T use Mary Jane in a possible movie until they did Betty Brant and Gwen Stacy first... Of course they could. New medium, new rules, new continutiy. That's how it works, people. That's why Marlon Brando didn't wear a headband and an outfit with a sun on his chest. That's why That's why Logan met Rogue BEFORE he joined the X-Men, not after. That's why Superman didn't have long hair like the comics when his cartoon debuted. Maintaining the basic SPIRIT of these characters is a lot more important than maintaining the trivia of these characters.
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I like the legendary DC icons of old too, but the fact is, they really *didn't* have a lot of personality. Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, Superman...these are all guys with essentially the same clean-cut, Boy Scout personalities. Sure, minor variations depending on the writer, but nothing but their powers to *really* distinguish them. As icons, I like 'em, but when I read their adventures, the stories and characterization leave a good bit to be desired. That's why Marvel dominated DC so fiercely from the 60's through the 80's - their heroes simply had more interesting personalities, courtesy of the wily Stan Lee. DC was smart to follow suit (though I am pissed that they killed off guys like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan - better to do total character overhauls on them than put 'em six feet under). But hot-tempered Wally West *is* a more interesting Flash than Barry Allen. Same for Kyle Rayner with regards to Green Lantern. The idea of giving the Green Lantern willpower-based powers to a guy who's an artist is damn inspired. And Hawkman was interesting for the first time in his entire career when Tim Truman and John Ostrander revamped him, though I believe that revamp's been undermined since. Not crazy about *every* revision. Aquaman is still a lamer, but the angry king role they've given him at least distinguishes him a bit. And I can't forgive DC for offing Oliver Queen to replace him with his son. Since he turned radical and angry in the 70's (leaving behind his initial Bruce-Wayne-knock-off origin), Ollie's never been a boring character. In general, though, DC's heroes are more interesting now. I rarely follow any DC comics these days, but Grant Morrison's JLA impressed me quite a bit with the newer incarnations. "Angst ridden"? Maybe, though that's not always a bad thing. "Jackbooted thugs"? Now you're just making broad generalizations, probably better-suited to the heroes Image launched with years ago. From a realistic standpoint, it's also worth noting that several JLA'ers have already appeared on the Superman cartoon (Aquaman, Green Lantern, and the Flash), and those incarnations would surely be the ones they'd go with should a JLA 'toon manifest anytime soon. Unless DC ever does a huge continuity wipe (as with "Crisis"), I'm afraid the Silver Age JLA characters are a thing of the past.
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animal man? after the death of his family
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Hey all...
y'know it amazes me how many of you people always fall into this trap.. "OH HOW COOL YAAAAY"..
Instead think of their previous announcements... they will not do it because it is too EXPENSIVE... and tHEN think of WB's attitude: they wont do anytying they cant make millions or billions on!!
THAts A FACT! why do you think the batman and superman adventures were taken off the air?.. because the shows werent being watched, which means there were no advertising income, and they werent buying the toys so no income there...
they WILL NOT make this cartoon unless they can make a bundle on it.
Paul Dini said to me when i asked him that they are NOT making this series...
and i also asked him about the Superfriends animated movie rumor and he said no to that too.. with the words "trust me" following that.
Now, are they filling us with bullshit?.. or is some freak at film roman or whereever feeling a bit like the comic genius and let this rumor out to see you people, and admittedly me, squirm?...
Pick one.
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I know I'm a little late on this subject, but I just joined the Talkback forum. I've composed a little wish list for my vision of this show, but first let me say I'm glad the show's going to be on Cartoon Network. Maybe the show won't be limited to sugar-coated stories as it would if it aired on KidsWB (especially if it airs during the 'Toonami' block). I think the 'Magnficent Seven' should rotate on the show so it won't resemble 'The Superfriends' revisited. Don't get me wrong, I was loving those episodes when I was a kid (not to mention the last two seasons were da' bomb). Big jobs would call for all of the JLA in full force! I also think Wonder Woman should have her own show (and occassionally appear on JLA).
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Aquaman is the Leagues answer to Wolverine, he's the kick ass member.
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And if they can play up his royal aspect, show him in a regal type manor, it would be a neat contrast to his scrapper attitude. and he's more than just talking to fish, the water life forms, see him as king, they don't obey him as a part of his power, they obey him because he's the king, and you respect the king. And his mental abilities can be used as a weapon, remember what he did to the White martian in JLA number 4.
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