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And right now... On Lorenzo's Desk at Warner Brothers lays the greatest Superhero Movie Ever To Be Made!

Published at: Oct. 18, 2000, 5:09 a.m. CST by staff

Hey folks, Harry here, and boy oh boy... If Warner Brothers actually ponies up and has the balls to make the film I'm gonna tell you about... Dear God, it is one helluva movie.

SUPERMAN was supposed to be dead at Warner Brothers... but really what they meant by that was... DEATH OF SUPERMAN / That whole Doomsday thing was dead. They'll never stop development entirely on the man of steel... He means too much to the coffers of the public holding Warner Stock to be completely forgotten.

However, the development process has been very very hush hush... Very much on the qt. Well, I teamed up with Houdini... the world's greatest escape artist to free this information for the likes of you and me.

Now I know many of you comic fans are familiar with a writer/artist by the name of Keith Giffen. He created an immensely popular DC character by the name of LOBO (not the AICN aging lycanthrope). And for years we've heard about a Lobo script, and how the property was in development. Well...

About 4 weeks ago a 17 page scriptment written by Keith Giffen landed upon the desk of one Jon Peters and one Lorenzno DiBonanventura. Well Nanobot 01, instantly reported that there was a scriptment for SUPERMAN that Lorenzo was very excited and charged for...

Well the next 3 weeks began an immense campaign to learn as much as possible about these 17 pages. Contacting spies from around the globe. Moriarty made seven attempts on Lorenzo's office himself, but the Mastiffs in the sewers beneath Warners... and then there was Eastwood walking around with a 357 Magnum keeping Moriarty at bay.

That was when suddenly a name from long long ago came to mind. Houdini. It has been over 3 and a half years since Houdini made his presence known. Now, while Nanobot 01 coordinated Lorenzo, the janitor, the security team, the assistants and secretaries coming and goings timed to a fine art... it was determined that it would be impossible. Houdini said, "Noone besides Lorenzo himself can get in there."

EUREKA! That's it!

Houdini is a master hypnotist, and through Nanobot 01's onboard speaker system... Houdini was faxed the 17 pages right out of the office. Muhahahaha... Next up... A.I., though according to Nanobot 01, there is no A.I. script at Lorenzo's office... Bummer.

Yeah yeah, I know... you don't care how we got it... You just want to know how it is.

Well... Keith Giffen's SUPERMAN scriptment is nothing short of being the most ambitious and thrilling concept I've yet seen for a Superhero film.

Superman's foe in the film isn't Braniac or Lex Luthor or any of the typical Superman stable of bad guys. Instead, Keith created a story in which an alien mafia organization that... well... that wanted a resource... very common on earth... but is the greatest most thrilling drug known in existence in their sector of the galaxy.... So they hire Lobo to visit Earth and Kill Superman.

The differences between Lobo and Superman keep this film alive at a breathless pace. It also instantly opens up 2 franchises...

The other great aspect is it opens up the vast scope of the D.C. universe... that Superman is really a global protector... not just Metropolis. I also like that the film takes place in a pivotal place in Clark and Lois' relationship where they are just beginning to see each other as something more than friends and associates. I love that Lois' sister is here... That Jimmy Olsen is basically a teenager/early college age. That Perry White smokes cigars. That the Daily Planet has a globe.

I love how Lobo is an utter badass scuzzy bastard... but in a really blue collar sort of way. I love the epic scope of the battle... as it is everybit as large in scale as DOOMSDAY's battle... but moreso even... and I love that we visit other planets, alien cantinas.... Lobo's asteroid home... Using the term TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE to describe the visual aesthetic of Lobo's home. I love Lobo's spacehog, his terminology about 'fraggin' and how he smells Superman on Lois' breath... and how damn violent this gets.. but still how at moments it has that feel of innocence and fair play and the right sense of duty.

The film would be expensive (and I mean real expensive), but that is exactly as it should be. Do we want Superman fighting regular criminals? No, we want him fighting battles where he can't beat the guy he's fighting, because as mild mannered humans ourselves... we need that sort of association to feel for the lug.

I love how Lobo's word of honor is absolute... I love how he sticks to the letter of a contract. How he drinks brews, smokes cigars, who's smoke will cause a regular man to pass out.

I have always loved Kevin Smith's script for SUPERMAN LIVES, but I never really cared for the basic Doomsday... DEATH OF SUPERMAN storyline. Sure it sold a billion issues of the comic... but that was speculation by folks that were investing and buying multiple copies in the prayers of financing college educations and a trip to Vegas.... not that the story was inherantly great.

Now... Will we ever see this? I can't imagine that the script will be done in time for the pre-strike universe of film. BUT... This film must be made. When you see Lobo haul off and hit Superman upside the jaw and you see him skip across the bay of Metropolis and into the base of a bridge leaving an imprint of his body shape in steel below.

For some strange feeling I kept picturing Benicio Del Toro as the voice of Lobo... Maybe it's just me. I can't even think or a really solid Supes (besides Bruce Campbell of course hehehehe) Oh... and Superman wears his SUPERMAN COSTUME, flies and has heat vision, cold breath.... and all of that. Well, basically... that's where it's at. My understanding is that Keith Geffin is at work on the script now. Personally... I can't wait! This read like a dream.

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  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:15 a.m. CST

    AAAAHHH!!LOBO

    by *veers*

    LOBO, in a movie, kicking the living shit out of SUPERMAN???!!!GODDAMN What a movie.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Not a hope in hell.

    by HullCity

    There is absolutely no chance of this film happening. If it does, I'll eat my dog. Shame though.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Y'know, this actually could be really awesome...

    by LesterB

    If somebody had the melons to do it the right way. Don't pull any punches. Keep the grotesque violence, make it darker than any other "Superman" movie ever made. I see David Fincher or Spike Jonze directing. Russell Crowe as Lobo. And a beefed-up, "American History X"-type Ed Norton as Superman, because he's got the Clark Kent thing down pat. Angelina Jolie would be a cool, interesting choice as Lois Lane. So would Catherine Keener. Ethan Embry as Jimmy Olsen, Robert Duvall as Perry White - you got yourself the best superhero movie since the original "Batman". Oh, and you've gotta throw in Kevin Spacey as one of the alien mafia guys. Just because he's Kevin Spacey. Even if it was just a cameo, it would be very cool. I just hope they don't sentimentalize it. I think a darker "Superman" would be far more interesting than Chris Reeve flying against a bluescreen while Margot Kidder coos halfheartedly in his general direction.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Isn't Brian Dennehy dead?

    by The Equalizer

    Cracking idea, good casting from SilentBob3000, apart from the Dennehymeister. Shame that no one on the planet apart from the small bands of Nomadic Geeks have ever heard of Lobo. Still, would be good to see Nic Cage in that role, or maybe Tyler Mane.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Brian Dennehy is most assuredly NOT dead...

    by LesterB

    He is currently giving the greatest performance of his career in "Death of a Salesman" here in Los Angeles. I saw it. The guy is a phenomenal actor, and I hereby withdraw my suggestion of Robert Duvall as Perry White and replace it with Silent Bob's far more wise and prudent suggestion of the greatest Willy Loman since Dustin Hoffman. Jason Mewes as Jimmy Olsen, though? For shame...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6 a.m. CST

    BITE ME FANBOYS!

    by NUXX

    Heh,heh...I absolutely ADORE Lobo - But, lets face it peeps, this one is NEVER going up on the silver screen. Lobo just cant be portrayed in a live action movie - he

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Fragaboom?

    by LesterB

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Strike...

    by Vincent D.

    Okay, we keep hearing about a possible writer's strike. What's the cause? Why now (or the imminent future)? ow long is it being speculated to last? I mean, could a few weeks really fuck over all these productions we hear about? Is it expected to be longer than that? What's up???

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:40 a.m. CST

    you have got to kidding me

    by capt rosenbalm

    Lobo? That pastyface KISS reject? One of the worst characters ever written about? DC's attempt to have a Wolverine? Come on Harry, surely you are joking. This has got to be the worst Superman movie idea since "The Quest for Peace". It's stupid, moronic and simply ridiculous. If this is the only Superman movie Warners can make, God spare us all. Lobo is a joke and should never NEVER never be used again. I can't believe that this ever got out, I hope it's some bad joke.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Vin Diesel as Lobo

    by Antonello

    .....vs Ben Affleck as Superman 'Nuff said!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 7 a.m. CST

    Hey, didn't I see an episode of the cartoon with this exact plot

    by 'scuse me chief

    Or at least a bit similair.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 7:20 a.m. CST

    make it damn it!!

    by poisonous dwarf

    this would sooo cool to see on the screen!, but it's true about bringing the main man to the screen, it is near impossible because the only people with that build are body builders, as for supes/clark, there is only one choice for me, (then it isn't really choice is it?, arghh.. i hate confusing myself), anyway, the guy to play supes has to be Paul Gross, Benton Fraiser from Due South, the guy is perfect to play -any- superhero in the mold of clark kent, Bruce Wayne, Scott Summers, he just has that type of face and build, and he's tall and I'm sure they could easily buff him up, and as for the boy scout routine, he played a canadian mountie who refused to use a gun for what, 5 years, he has it down to a T! and like I said, he just *LOOKS* so much like a clark kent.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 7:28 a.m. CST

    FUCKING YES!!!!!!

    by Moonwalker

    Superman is finally going to be given the treatment he deserves. I've been waiting for a Superman film for fucking ages and now I'm finally going to get to see it...and a fucking good one at that. I hope they do it right after the whole Tim Burton/Kevin Smith/Nic Cage thing we have waited long enough. I just hope they can follow Teri Hatcher as Lois Lane, she was great. By the way, will this affect the whole Clark Kent thing? Josh Brolin would make a great Supes.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Clark Kent...

    by Moonwalker

    By the Clark Kent thing I meant the Series when he is gonna be a teen. Would Warner Delay one or the other? Plus I am a bit worrie because Warner ros have a good knack for fucking things up (Batman and Robin....eeaaaghr) They need a good director. I would think Davin Fincher would be great and I agree that John Mahoney would be perfect for Pa Kent and Judi Dench for Ma. For Luthor I think they should leave it open for now as the story aint about him, Josh Brolin as Superman, he just has the right look especially after Hollow Man. Lobo is tricky, dunno about that one, but not CGI. And bring back Lane Smith for Perry and give him a cigar.

  • ...against all odds, the two-parter where Lobo appeared on the Superman cartoon was one of that series' high-points. Credit the genius of Paul Dini. Utterly hilarious stuff, with Lobo very much playing the asshole but not becoming totally abhorrent like his comic incarnation. Sidebar: funniest visual was when the hottie female cyborgs charged with keeping Lobo pacified in an alien zoo flip back their heads like Pez dispensers and spray him with knock-out gas from their necks. Anyway, I still find it hard to imagine a character like Lobo is suited for helping re-launch the Superman franchise. It's not utterly without potential though. Lobo's basically like a superpowered Hell's Angel, and a concept that weird just might kick some energy into the next Supes flick. In the comics world, I know Kieth Giffen largely for his wacky and occasionally enjoyable run on "Justice League International" (the sorta funny Justice League incarnation of the late 80's) and as a longtime contributor to "The Legion of Super-Heroes". His dark and Byzantine relaunch of "Legion" in the 90's was despised by most fans of that comic, but I thought it was damn brilliant work. For that reason alone, his Lobo/Superman scriptment deserves some consideration. Now, who to play Lobo in this hypothetical scenario? I think Antonello's suggestion of Vin Diesel is dead-on (though his other suggestion of Ben Affleck for Supes...well, let's just say I don't think Ben should even be allowed to try on the costume). Interestingly, the Lobo voice on the cartoon was very "Jesse Ventura", suggesting that if Vin's not available, this may be the rare case where its actually appropriate to consider...I never thought I'd say it...a wrestler.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Forget Superman..

    by gigolo aunt

    make this movie with Green Lantern.And not Hal, but Guy Gardener.They had one of the best fights on Giffens run of JLA, with some of the best dialouge."I have no idea what Alpo is, but I doubt my mother would eat it".If it is going to an intergalactic story line at least have the GL Corps in there somehow.As far as Ben Affleck for Supes..get a fucking clue, the character is *Superman* not *Disproportionated Head-man*

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Harry, you got all that from 17 pages???

    by Roguewriter

    Did I misread? Frankly, I thought Smith's SUPERMAN script was a humdinger, better than 75% of the action schlock out there right now. I lost interest when I heard Nicolas "Whore" Cage was taking the titular role. Now, with the success of X-MEN, I hope we'll finally see some more quality comics-based flicks (SPIDERMAN has my hopes up... though Tobey Maguire seems an odd choice). And hey, the live-action TV series of THE TICK can't hurt either, right? Anyone have a for-sure midseasons start date? January?

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Thank you WrathfullBuddha!

    by evil_sausage

    Its about time someone pointed a finger at all these fanboys throwing the most ridiculous casting ideas and said NO! Jason Mewes? What are you fucking nuts? He's still just a hangover from the Kevin Smith treatment. Nicholoson is too old to be playing Luthor aswell. Jeanne Garafolo? Maybe if she lost 20lbs! I dont know. Sometimes I wonder if theres any hope for you poor people!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:16 a.m. CST

    "...we may have something here...."

    by HATER1

    Hey, I'm all for a good Superman/Lobo asskicking-flick just like the next man,but.......why do I have the sneaky suspicion that the suits at the WB will try to put some kind of 'fluffy' element in it and fuk'itup!!!! Like some little cute-furry sidekick for Lobo or.......or...Krypto? I'ts gotta be a R-rated must-see and Bullsh!t free........no kiddie crap!! Hey.........whatever happened to that 'Preacher' movie anyway..?

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:17 a.m. CST

    LOBO!!! LOBO!!! LOBO!!!!

    by Hotwire

    hell yes! may the main main get the silver screen treatment he diserves and may he and supes spend two hours knocking the living shit out of each other and frag anyone who doesn't like it

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:19 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Wino Forever

    You people are nucking futs. Lobo vs. Superman is a ludicrous idea for a movie. Far more so than Aliens vs. Predator or Jason vs. Freddy. On top of which there's no way on God's green earth that ANYONE would have the stones to greenlight it. Fanboys (myself included) love to sit around and have asinine conversations like: "Dude what would happen if Boba Fett/Wolverine/Duncan MacLeod fought Spawn/Ash/Buffy the Vampire Slayer?", and Lobo vs. Superman positively reeks of that. Superman is a difficult enough role to fill--who the hell would you get to play Lobo? I suppose, though it pains me to say it, the Rock might pull it off.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Dylan McDermott is Superman

    by BlinkBoy

    I don't really watch "The Practice" but I've always thought that Dylan McDermott could pull off being either Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne. Eh, whateva'

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:30 a.m. CST

    THANK GOD!!! BUT LATIMER BETTER PLAY LOBO!!!

    by HarryWannaBe

    ...That's right folks...Latimer from "The Program" had better play LOBO, I read an article in a body building mag once with him (Andrew Bryniarski <sp?>) and he was so extremely passionate about the character...and get this...they even had him in LOBO make up....red-whole-eye-covering-contacts even! As soon as I can I'll scan the pics and send them in to ya Harry...if you're even reading this! I'm telling you...this guy would be great for LOBO, and I truly love that character so that's a lot to say!

  • Remember, we're still talking SUPERMAN'S story here! Fincher?! Rated R?! Gimme a fraggin' break. I know, I know, Lobo devotees, it's been lean times for the "Main Man" since his one-note humor fell out of style years ago, but don't go thinking he should be allowed to usurp a movie from the Big Blue and turn it into a super-powered "Seven". For me, Lobo will work *only* if he's played very tongue-in-cheek as Dini handled him on the cartoon. The fact that Giffen's script involves an alien Mafia, space cantinas, and Lobo's cigar smoke making people go unconscious leads me to believe that that's how he's handling him too, and that's the only reason I see potential. Let's all kick back a sec, breathe a contemplative sigh, and remember that Superman IS for fraggin' kids! No, REALLY, he is! Hey, he's also for us grown-ups that still dig a little super-powered entertainment, but drop this "rated R" crap. "Preacher" and "Sandman" will get their day on film, but Supes is PG all the way. Okay, maybe PG-13 with Lobo, ya bastiches. I'm actually warming to this so-ridiculous-it-could-be-cool idea...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Q: Will we see this film as it is in the scriptment?

    by FieldmanNo.1

    A: No of course not! Q: Why? A: Because it shows imagination, vision and a sense of humour. If Spike Jonze makes a megabuck hit on his next movie this 'Superman' would work so well if he and Giffen are given free rein. Keith Giffen is a great writer (although no Alan Moore) and despite my doubts about the final product I want to see this film soooo bad. Maybe get Rob 'GrimaceGod' Liefeld to do the character designs? (Just Kidding fanboys)

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:39 a.m. CST

    LOBO a cheap imitation of Wolverine? Shurely you jest?

    by NUXX

    I see the fact that they are both lone badasses, but thats about it!! Damn, those bastards who did the MARVEL vs. DC crossover a few years back didnt even have the imagination to draw the fight between the two of them. The fact is, Simon Bisley & Keith Giffen originally intended (well, after L.E.G.I.O.N anyway), to have LOBO be an interstellar superbadass! I know - some of the other DC whimps used LOBO for comic relief, but i cant understand the bozos here who compare him to Wolverine - none of you have appearantly ever read a LOBO book. NUXX OUT

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:48 a.m. CST

    "Very Little, Mr. Mushnik!"

    by mrbeaks

    Love the animation, Harry! True, this does reek of fanboy fiction, but, hey, who am I to discourage this guy? Swing for the fences, deliver a wildly imaginative script, get some comic worshipping superstar (not Nick Cage) hot on the idea, ditto w/ a director, and, then, go to Lorenzo with a can't-miss proposition. And watch in absolute horror as he nixes the idea and passes the script off to Jon Peters, who adds a giant spider.

  • HHH of the wwf...yes another wrestler pick but his arms are huge compared to body builders and he has the look and attitude to pull it off. Put him in make up! If the Rock can do the Mummy why the heck not this isn't Cidar House Rules? As far as directors PLEASE no trendy "hot" directors Fincher should and would never do a Superman film and fuck Spike Being John Malkovitch wasn't good enough to give him thios type of film...haven't we learned from Dogma. We need someone big who could pull the heart strings...I would pick Michael Bay or Tony Scott or Renny Harlin or hell LUC BESSON!! or the God of this crap even though I am pissed at him for Contender Speilberg. Give em 120 mil and make sure Luthor is in the film as an anchor as most people have no clue who the hell Lobo is. I would like Supes as an unknown Affleck is ok he had something going in Dogma that was interesting but Norton is too indy. Luthor should be a great way to set up the future...my pick Alan Rickman. I can't see this getting made much like the Batman Bruce Wayne tv show...but it would be cool.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Harry, surely you jest. Not nice to get the fanboys riled up.

    by McCauley1

    Everybody take a second and re-read what Harry has here. Then, ask yourselves: what are the REALISTIC chances of this being made? None. Superman is a KIDS' STORY (I'm not trying to insult anyone, I like Supes as much as the next guy) but we've got to face facts. This movie is about selling toys, cartoons, happy meals, posters, t-shirts and temporary tattoos. NOT about selling 15 million bucks worth of tix to people who want hardcore violence, language and attitude (like me). There is NO WAY in hell that this treatment would EVER get made. None. Harry, I'm surprised you let this dangle without telling the truth. There's too much at stake, and in Blockbuster Hollywood, that can only mean one thing: Mediocrity. We can't possibly offend anyone, right? Let's all hope that Aranofsky doing Batman actually happens, that he sticks to his guns and WALKS the minute they tell him the bad news.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:59 a.m. CST

    "....more piss"

    by HATER1

    ......to the 'pillow-biter' crying about Superman being for kids......grow up and stop wetting your bed! This is the year2G and we can mature Superman just a little, can't we? Who wouldn't want to see the Kryptonian-crybaby take a nice shilaking from the Main Man in all of his R-rated glory!! Bottom Line: you want this flick to frag box office records, have it appeal to everybody,period! Don't water it down, don't make it all gooey and sh!t....just a knock-down, drag out popcorn movie that will have people busting nuts left and right........Besides, didn't LOBO, like, kill his entire race just case he woke up on a bad day.......yeah, let's how that pans out being rated PG-13!!!!! (BLLEEECCCCCHHHH!!!!) Fragboy........

  • I know, it's hard to forgive the man behind "Lethal Weapon 4", but he did deliver the goods like no other in the first two Superman flicks. Could he pull off the same magic 20 years later? Hmmm. ***** By the way, I hate censorship and all, but Harry, could you please edit Renny Harlin's name from appearing on any Superman Talkbacks ever? Sometimes we do need protection from ourselves.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Sorry NUXX

    by deinstag909

    But LOBO is a serious attempt at a DC Wolverine. Cigars, beer. At first I thought they were making fun of Wolverine with the LOBO character, but they seem to take it very seriously. I actually like LOBO, the first thing I read was the Paramilitary Christmas and I laughed my ass off. And Harry, this sounds like the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I guess you don't prefer a serious Superman movie: Intergalactic mafia? What the fuck is that? Why not just throw MARSHALL LAW in the mix to take care of both Superman and Lobo? Hey, my fanboy wetdream is sexier than yours.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Hater1

    by Gaylord

    How the hell are you gonna make this movie appeal to everybody without watering down the Lobo character, and better yet how are you gonna make Lobo still be Lobo after making him appeal to everybody? Sorry, but your outlook on things seems to be pretty naive at best. And this whole thing about making this movie a crazy action popcorn movie that will have people rolling in the isles is going to be impossible with WB's most popular character fighting with the guy who beat the living shit out of Santa Claus. "Not with our Superman you don't!!

  • Don't kid yourself, man. Make Superman mature? The first Superman movie WAS mature, but if by mature you just mean violent and nihilistic, then you clearly have no understanding of the character. Superman is an innately innocent character in a way that, say, Batman isn't. Batman might actually support an R-rating in some if his incarnations (though, realistically, the WB would never let it happen), but Supes is a Boy Scout all the way. Doesn't mean you can't tell a great story with him or that you have to throw in cheeseball kiddie stuff (which Donner really didn't), just means there's nothing about Superman's adventures that warrant an R-rating, even with Lobo in the picture. As for Lobo killing his race, I'm fine with that as long as it's handled off screen (as it always was in the comics I believe) and with tones of black humor instead of grim genocide. Hey, they even worked that stuff into the cartoon with a great line something to the effect of, "I got bored so I fragged the rest of my race". Yep, Lobo can easily be done inside a PG or PG-13 rating, and if the 'toon is any indicator, it'll be the better for it.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:24 a.m. CST

    LOBO???

    by Jobriga3

    I'd rather see the gay robot sidekick of Lex Luthor than this lame idea.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Okay, I've thought this over...

    by LesterB

    My initial enthusiasm has passed. Not for the project, but for the idea that the project would actually get MADE. I just don't have faith enough in the studio system that they would do this the way it HAS to be done. I DO think there's a dark Superman movie that can be made, and it could be potentially brilliant, and this could even be that movie, but judging by the talkbacks so far, the world just isn't ready for that. Apparently, if it differentiates at all from the normal interpretation, it's worthless. Apparently, having Fincher direct a Superman movie is just too weird. I'd like to think that you guys are wrong about that, but you're not. You're right. America wouldn't accept it, no matter how good it was. If Superman can't go on a lunchbox, then the movie will not be allowed to get made. I just think that's sad, because there is a shitload of potential with this project.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:28 a.m. CST

    To hell with "Big" directors? Call in the Japanese!

    by hal-solo

    Since when has Michael Bay made a movie with heart? I cringe at the thought of how he will butcher history with "Pearl Harbor," more historically bullshit than "Patriot" (but I'm sure it'll have a lot of explosions- yee ha...) All those listed above as potential directors are hacks when it comes to storytelling. Renny Harlin- many fanboys would probably love the sight of (a Geena Davis wannabe as) Lois Lane in her underwear being drowned by LOBO, but not my idea of a Supes film with storytelling, what any film of this type needs. Much like I would never want to see Fincher do Spiderman or even Burton do Superman, I'd never want to see Besson touch the red cape: We saw what Caro and Jeunet did to the Alien franchise, and he comes from the same beautiful French visual style over substance mold (at least in Fifth Elment). This movie would need a director who could work miracles with a smaller budget: I propose traveling further overseas to Japan to nab Shusuke Kaneko, director of the fantastic GAMERA 3 (a film that contains some of the most cost effective and BEAUTIFUL fx scenes ever), the best comic book movie of the past two years and a testament to creative, efficient filmmaking, and would bring that oh-so-popular Anime style of cinema with him (key to succeed against MATRIX 2 & 3?). Has this man been tapped by a US studio yet? He's already accomplished the feat of presenting the most intense battle of two titans on screen, AMONGST A REALISTIC METROPOLIS, so Superman would be a cakewalk for him. Hell, if you're so depressed by the reality of Superman/Lobo never getting made, hit EBAY, you may be able to get a copy of G3 subbed for cheap!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:33 a.m. CST

    LOBO WORKED GREAT IN L.E.G.I.O.N. '89-90's Comic Book...

    by ARCTURUS

    And sometimes, he was the only reason to read that book. But a whole movie based on him vs. Supes? Naw, just re-make Superman 2.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Harry's Goiter, this is what we want...

    by LesterB

    We don't want Supes ripping anybody's heart out or disembowling people. We don't want a nasty anal rape scene between Lobo and Lois Lane. We don't want every other word out of Superman's mouth to be "fuck" (Perry White ... well, that might be funny). What I know that I want is to see a new interpretation of an old story. See it refreshed a little, that's all. Everything has a dark side, even "Superman". Think about it. This poor kid gets orphaned because his planet blows up. He gets sent to a literally alien planet where he is enormously superior in almost every way to everyone else there. Fortunately, his foster parents are great people, and raise him responsibly, so he learns to use his powers for good instead of evil. But what about that alienation of knowing that you're different? No matter how much better or stronger or smarter you are, you're still different, still alien. I'd like to see Superman struggle with that a little. And what about a desire to be a normal person? There was a little of that in "Superman II", but not enough. My point is that there is a lot of depth to this story and this character, and if you only focus on the bright, cheery, good-guys-always-win thing, you're ignoring a potentially huge possibility. I'm not a fanboy, like you assume everyone who wants to see a darker Superman is. In fact, the only issues of Superman I own are the Death of Superman stuff ... and why? Because it's not just for kids. And because it's a strong story that actually delves into these characters' inner lives. Superman is NOT kids' stuff. Or at least it doesn't have to be.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:41 a.m. CST

    AGreed

    by hal-solo

    I love the current mentalitly that making a movie expenseive and violent makes it cool. Lobo in a PG-13 universe could lead to VERY CREATIVE descisions- most modern filmmakers are too weak as storytellers to deal with difficult moral issues, especially regarding apathetic violence, the embodiment of LOBO, in any manner but a squib-fest. As stated before, the cartoon remained true to LOBO, and it was on the WB. All the mentality of "GIVE 'EM A HUNDRED MILLION AND CRANK UP THE BODY COUNT BOYS!" misses the point: often restrictions are the wombs of incredibly creative solutions. NO ONE IN X-MEN DIED (anyone else think Kelly is alve and kicking in the Hudson?), and that was a good comic movie. I don't want to see a wholesae massacre in SPIDERMAN. *Sigh*... I miss character development in lieu of body count and explosions, and not of the ARMAGEDDON bullshit kind.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Elect Al Gore for Superman!

    by gyalwa

    Bush for Lobo. Leiberman for Jameson. Cheney for Luther. Hit the poles, mates!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:46 a.m. CST

    The Ultimate Comic Movie????

    by Rubio

    In my book, that would be a Martin Scorsese directed WATCHMEN. Or maybe even a RISING STARS movie done by the Brothers Matrix.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Dark Angel Is Still Bad

    by Anglais

    This show managed to both suck and blow. It's so bad I want to cancel my cable subscription and hock my TV. Acting, writing, casting, directing, and special effects all suck. It's like the 6 Million Dollar Man without the funny sfx you can imitate. Nahhhhhhh nahhhhhhhh nahhhhhhhhh.... Fox, help us all and cancel this piece of pure junk. I remain unbowed, Anglais

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:49 a.m. CST

    LOBO?! Guys, "The Misadventures of Sheriff Lobo" starring Claude

    by Bari Umenema

    I think Lorenzo sent the scriptment to Harry personally by fax or fed-ex. This would explain nanobot and houdini and would also be logical from a studio exec's point of view, in fact I bet you Lorenzo has spent his morning reading all of these posts just to get some instant market research feedback from the core audience. As for Claude Akins, man that show was Funny! Stupid but Funny! BJ and the Bear, not funny. Misadventures of Sheriff Lobo, Funny!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Gamera 3 was great but

    by sundown

    I own it...I love it...I would like to see them do Godzilla films and belive they will after the new trilogy is over. BUT WHY WOULD WE NEED COST EFFICIENT FX ON SUPERMAN!! G3 had a horrid plot anyway but it was a monster film so who cares. It looked awesome but doesn't have the awe of a Superman film. The thing is a flagship...give me money and glitz and a decent script. As far as substance over style, sorry but the Professional and Fifth Element had some great things going on in the story dept and I wouldn't blame the poor director who got stiffed with Whedons crappy script for Alien 4, he didn't write it. Renny Harlins stuff always looks good and is usually better than the script he is stuck with...yes him putting Geena in everything is annoying and no I don't want her as Lois she is WAY too old. I don't see what being a fan boy has to do with thinking Cliffhanger and Die Hard 2 look good while liking Gamera movies about a giant turtle THAT SPINS AROUND to fly is ok. Weird, my friend I think thouist shalt not cast stones from behind your glass monitor. And for Bey yeah his stuff sorta sucks but is better than E and Devlin and it does have emotional content. I thought Armaggedon was a million times better than godzilla if not great and I did love the Rock and Bad Boys. I think with a good script he can do the visuals and FX justice and I look forward to Pearl Harbor...the film that is.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:16 a.m. CST

    <i'll miss Sheriff Lobo....need more O.J. ...Flintstone's chewab

    by Fatal Discharge

    Ah, good old Sheriff Lobo. It's good to see him back in another role. But will it be as good as the Troy McClure film "P is for Psycho" or "The President's Neck Is Missing". We'll just have to see....

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:17 a.m. CST

    BRUCE CAMPBELL IS SUPERMAN.

    by charltonsect

    In the same respect that Alec Baldwin is Bruce Wayne, (something that no one will ever agree with me on) HOW CAN WE GET HIM NOMINATED FOR THE ROLL? THINK, PEOPLE, THINK!!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Forget Superman....

    by Project: 2501

    JUST GIVE US FUCKING LOBO!!!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Gosh I hope Ambush Bug shows up...

    by Squashua

    KEITH GIFFEN IS AN UNAPPRECIATED GOD OF COMEDY! Ambush Bug! Trencher! Ambush Bug! Post-Crisis Legion of Super-Heroes! Ambush Bug! The Heckler! Ambush Bug! The aptly named Giffen-Era JLA! Ambush Bug! Everything he writes is amazing. You rock, Keith! -Joshdm@one.net

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:37 a.m. CST

    This IS a good idea

    by axelfoley

    I say it's a good idea because Lobo is an interesting friggin' character in every sense of the word. HOWEVER, my only concern about this whole thing is that how can Lobo not appear campy to an average movie goer. His look, his attitude would translate good one screen, you'd love to hate the guy. The mainstream won't associate Lobo being DC's concept of a Wolverine, trust me on that one folls. I personally don't know what the fuck some of you people have been talking about anyway. Because they both smoke cigars? Alright, well so does Puck from Alpha Flight-- does he have any association with these characters too? I never could recall Lobo calling those aliens he used to slaughter "bub". By the way, in that DC/Marvel crossover a few years back, there WAS a Lobo/Wolverine fight. That's right, Wolvie and Lobes duked it out in Lobo's bar, and the fight was no more than three panels. Wolverine was victorious, celebrating with a stogie. All that aside, I could really care less if another Superman movie is made. Warner Brothers pretty much lost me with that bullshit about wanting to give the man of steel a "Matrix-like garb" instead of his actual costume". Uh, no buddy. That would blow. Spider-Man's the comic book movie I'm relying heavy faith into because he really is my all time favorite comic book character bar none. I loved the Superman movies, but no one and I mean no one IS Superman in real life except for Christopher Reeve. And since it won't happen, all I'm saying is the Lobo idea would be one of the few storylines I think could work if WB thinks they could actually pick up the broken pieces of their franchise and wash the bad taste The Quest for Peace left in many people's mouth thirteen years ago. It'd actually be the only one I'd pay money to see, because Lobo ROCKS! Anyway see him on the cartoon, that was a pretty damn good time. Just get a good script, a logical cast, and you're pretty much all set.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Lobo?!?!

    by PoxyVonSinister

    Come on, that's ridiculous. Superman is EPIC, he's not about extended fist-fights with some alien mercenary. If you want the cosmic feel, go with Mongul, a villain with a scope worthy of Superman. Or do Doomsday without the whole Braniac tie-in, just Supes vs. this virtual force of nature that he gives his life (sorta) to keep from harming those close to him. Of course, my pipe-dream is to see For All Seasons made into a movie, but I won't hold my breath for that...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I know who could direct this...

    by Steerpike

    ...and keep everyone happy. You ready for this? Joss Whedon. That's right, Joss-creator-of-Buffy. He would be able to keep the violence (and the ratings) down but without loosing anything else which everyone is scared of loosing. P.S. why not dark Superman?

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Duh, my name is, uh, seven11, ugh, and I like comics with lots o

    by 'scuse me chief

    He is the bestest comic man ever. I thunk he wid be exclent in a flm.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:55 a.m. CST

    On the IMDB

    by jewiseman

    For the guy who posted about Latimer from the program, evidently on the IMDB there is already a listing for a movie called Lobo with him as the star. Check it out: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0222155

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:04 a.m. CST

    here's another page

    by jewiseman

    This comes from another page about Latimer: http://www.comics2film.com/lobo.shtml This one has the pictures of him as Lobo.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Warner Bros. will never make this film!

    by Blue Devil

    WB has lost all concept of what Superman should be. Why do you think they went along with Tim Burton the way they did? Thank God that tanked. Now, their going in another direction with Keith Giffen. Giffen's concept is okay, but I don't know about introducing Superman to the universe (and Lobo) just yet. I would rather see a Mongol-type storyline like in Superman Annual #11 (that one by Moore/Gibbons from the 80's). Something more psychological. Still, WB is grasping at straws at how to resusitate this franchise without breaking their bank. I mean, let's be honest, to film Giffen's storyline would cost more than Titanic. (Personally, I would like to see Superman fight Darkseid- but that would mean introducing Apokolips).

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Love Supes, love Lobo...

    by Darth Grego

    ... but this will never be made ever. Supes vs. Doomsday would be interesting. Why not rejuvinate both the Supes & Batman franchises with a "World's Finest" movie? Ah, the Joker & Luthor together...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Harry what happened to Dan Gilroy's Superman script?

    by Bari Umenema

    I thought that was the one they really loved, guess not. Oh well.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Lobo Fuckin RULES, this has potential to be one of the coolest m

    by Warlord92

    But there is no way in hell Wb(or any other studio for that matter)has the balls to do this movie at all much less do it the way it MUST be done. No this was just some sick tease to get us all excited & hopeful but the shit will never happen!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:41 a.m. CST

    i wrote that

    by Just_Some_Guy

    I guess good ideas are more common than I thought...I wrote a treatment for a Superman film last year which had Lobo as the main anatgonist. But in the end Lobo and Supes band together to fight off Lobo's former employer. What a co-inky-dink...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Sorry guys but I can't be in this movie.

    by Lobo

    Why? Because I'm a FLAMING FAG! I like to deep-throat and swallow hard. Better ask a real hombre. His name is WOLVERINE.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:49 a.m. CST

    HEY BONEVENTURA! I know you're reading this!

    by McCauley1

    Seriously. I agree with the earlier tb'er who suggested "Nanobot" is actually Harry's fax machine, and Lorenzo faxed this himself so Harry could throw it up on the site and let 'Zo check out the ensuing hijinks. So, Lorenzo, this is for you. While this idea sounds very, very cool to a very small percentage of the population, that won't matter a diddly to you, because it doesn't matter if it's sprockets, widgets, or films to you and the board of directors. It only matters if it makes the green stuff. If our suspicion is true, that you thought you'd conduct a bit o' the market reseach right here on AICN for free, here it is: even if you used this storyline, it wouldn't be worth a hot dime, because there's lunchboxes to consider, right? Look, just spare us the time, energy, and grief. Make an announcement that the movie's made for the kids you so desperately want and need to see this (repeatedly) and then buy cartloads of crap for. Just end the deception. If you cared about artistic integrity, you might actually make a Supes film for adults. But face it - you won't. There's no Box Office potential in that, and frankly, you wouldn't make that almighty nickel.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 11:57 a.m. CST

    LOBO SUCKS! Give us an ACTUAL Superman villain you morons!

    by superhero

    Godd@*%it!!! Just like the Superman cartoons I am tired of Superman being a showcase for OTHER Superhero guest stars! This idea Sucks! What about Mogul? Braniac? C'mon! If you want Cosmic get those guys! This is just a way for Giffen to get his lame ass Wolverine wanna-be ripoff character out there so he can get some bank! This is just pure BS! I cannot BELIEVE that ANYONE likes this idea! I mean the whole idea of a galactic mafia putting a hit out on Superman sounds stupid in the first place! Of course, I'm not Surprized, anyone who actually LIKED that piece of garbage script that Kevin Smith wrote would go for anything! And if you guys think that this won't be like the Batman movies where the VILLAIN overshadows the HERO I'd be willing to bet my first born that you'd be dead WRONG! LOBO SUCKS!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Knowing WB - They'll cut out....

    by TheExtra

    Seeing WB's track record, they'll cut out anything with any form of violence and turn LOBO into a bunny hugging hippie.... Screw the WB!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Bad Taste

    by Zonkk

    Hmm. Sounds like Pter Jackson's film, Bad Taste. An intergalactic plot by aliens to come to earth and nab humans to turn them into snack food (after trimming the fat and bones to fit an entire towns population into a few boxes). Although I doubt that this Superman film would have quite the same level of gore and sick humour. Which would be a pity ;-)

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Am I Crazy...?

    by X-Girls

    Or is that 'Puddy' guy from Seinfeld and Scream 3 perfect for Superman?

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Lobo, Lobo, Lobo is my name......

    by Lobo

    ......and I do suck! I'm nothing but a poor man's Wolverine. A wanna be. I am a flaming fuckin' drag queen. Not even worthy of lickin' the bottom of Superman's red boots. Somebody please kill me.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:28 p.m. CST

    SilentBob3000...

    by X-Girls

    Janeane Garofalo as Lois Lane?? Some ideas were solid...but Janeane Garofalo?? There are more suitable people.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:34 p.m. CST

    What in hell do people see in Lobo?

    by X-Girls

    The character is a dumbass, tough but stupid, he is completely unoriginal, no coolness. Ooh, he's tough, that'd be a great movie. Any badguy is better than him, even Mxy! is cooler. Superman should go to the Red Sun (i think that's what it's called). They should erase those powers we saw in the last flick, Superman races around the planet counterclockwise and everything changes! erasing Lois' memories with a kiss... A cool fortress, A metropolis designed like the movie, his costume and a better villian, Lex and some supervillian..

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Yes, Lobo does suck.

    by superman

    I want a worthy opponent. Wolverine with Kryptonite-adammantium-laced claws preferred.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Aw, Shit! Was That a Superman Treatment On Lorenzo's Desk? It

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...don't tell him, okay? Maybe this Peters guy could share his copy.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Lobo blows.

    by WOLVERINE

    I agree with the man of steel. Lobo is a homo. Thanks for considering me as a possible opponent.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:45 p.m. CST

    No problem!

    by superman

    Thank you Wolvie.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Hey! This Sounds Really Great. . .

    by Cowblaster

    . . . For a SEQUEL! I just wish they'd have an establishing movie to begin a new Superman franchise. Take the time to re-introduce us to these new versions of these characters and what-not. Otherwise, the whole thing might be percieved as a big mess by the typical movie going audience who would only think of this as SUPERMAN V: THE BRAWL WITH LOBO or something. But, I still love the sound of this script! Let's hold of for the sequel, though and make room for more movies like this under the Superman title!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Not a Snowball's chance in Hades!

    by Redbeard_NV

    A cigar chomping, beer swilling, fraggin' spouting cosmic hawg riding bad guy in a Superman movie. The politically correct GORONS would pitch a fit and threaten any fast food chain willing to carry the merchandise for this movie with protests, along with boycotting any company's product placement in the flick, which would kill the idea for the movie in the eyes of WB's accounting department. Remember, this is Warner and it's all about money. Look what happened to the Batman series after the backlash to "Batman Returns" rather dark approach, as well as "Batman Beyond:The Return of The Joker"'s recent castration.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Hey, wasn't this a two-part episode of the SUPERMAN cartoon???

    by Kikstad

    And it was cool, although Lobo's theme-music sucked. Anyway, this sounds cool because it actually sounds like an epic comicbook plot. Do it seriously and not campy and it may work. Just get someone who's actually a Superman fan to make this movie, please, someone who will treat the character with respect. I was watching Superman II the other day, and man, Christopher Reeve kicked ass. Those first two Superman films rocked. I hope they can capture the true essence of the Man of Steel again. (And those of you who didn't enjoy the Donner Superman films, you're beyond hope.)

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Superman COULD be rated R...

    by Stickist

    Don't forget, the unwashed masses aren't avid readers of "Batman: Year One" or "The Dark Knight Returns", either. The Tim Burton treatment was a splash of cold water in the face of those who only knew Batman from the cartoon or the cheesy 60s show. Batman for the masses never dwelled on the deep pathos of his origin, which is probably why WB had no problem with Joel Schumaker giving the franchise a Dick Tracy makeover. Superman II was the only one that did a good job of injecting a note of darkness and genuine evil into Supes' primary-colored world, and it was also very well-received. Sure, it also had its share of cheese and comic relief, but instant change doesn't happen instantly -- unless you start the franchise over. Which could actually happen. I'm not saying I've got my hopes up for this one to happen as written or as we'd really like it to be. I'm just saying that the perception of Superman as kids' fare that they would never dare darken is NOT the reason why it won't.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Hey, I Love Kingdom Come Just As Much As The Next Guy. . . But,

    by Cowblaster

    Come on! There's NO WAY they could squeeze all the glory in that book into a shotty 90 minute film. While we're on the subject, the same goes for ANY graphic novel out there! No, Dark Knight Returns would NOT make a good movie! In fact, there are no good graphic novels that CAN be trasnlated onto the big screen! You wanna make a film off Earth X or Dark Knight? Vote to make them into MINI-SERIES'! As for movies, I'd much rather see some stories that I haven't heard before! Think of some ORIGINAL ideas that hold true to the characterization that's already been established. I wish they'd make a Superman movie I've never seen before, with a story that surprises me! I don't want some filmed version of Superman For All Seasons. I've already read that! Gimme something new!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:28 p.m. CST

    SUPERMAN

    by Batman_9

    That sounds awesome to me. I would love to see the S-Man on the big screen again and I don't really care what story is used...of course...the issue that has had me puzzeled for weeks raises here again...if WB is making this..."Batman: Year One" and "Batman Beyond" then how the hek are they going to make a "Superman" film too? I don't know, maybe I'm just being to pecimestic, but come on, it hardly seems logical. The story for this movie sounds pretty awesome though...why not go with a lesser known actor to play supes, or maybe just bring out nic cage...he could pull it off.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:46 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE TYPE OF MOVIE

    by Hinesy

    That michael Bay was born to direct.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Sorry to break it to you Harry, but the day this happens, I'll h

    by Tender Branson

    Aside from the fact that Lobo is CRAP!!!!! A tenth rate response to Wolverine and the strange success of KISS's return to makeup, this movie would suck dick on a scale that would put Joel Shumacher to shame. AN ALIEN MAFIA???????????? HOLY SHIT!!! Are you fucking kidding me???? Superman doesn't have enough bad ass villians walking around, they have to rehash an episode of the fucking CARTOON and you're waving it around as the best thing since pussy!??? You have have truly been corrupted by something either that, or you're just fucked in the head. And what the fuck is wrong with "The Death of Superman"???? I know it was gimmick and gave way to some of the more crap ass spin-offs of all time, but I kinda liked it. It had potential that hasn't been exploited. I think they should stick to Kevin Smith's script, while not perfect, was the best incarnation of Superman we've seen in script form ever. And who the fuck is going to play Superman anyway???? Russell Crowe???? Yeah, that would be something the morons here would suggest. I can't think of one fucking actor alive that could play Superman. AND FUCKING STOP WITH THE GODDAMNED BRUCE CAMPBELL SHIT!!!!!!!!! BRUCE CAMPBELL MADE THREE DECENT MOVIES IN HIS LIFE AND ONE INTERESTING CAMEO ON "THE X-FILES" HE IS NOT, REPEAT FUCKING NOT RIGHT FOR EVERY FUCKING ROLE THAT COMES ALONG!!!!!! Jesus, you people, sometimes I think I was the only kid whose mother wasn't lacing his bottle with paint chips. In conclusion, Lobo sucks dirty ass, Superman is about five years away from finding suitable representation on screen and Bruce Campbell needs to go find Sam Raimi and beat his ass into writing another "EVIL DEAD" flick so you fucking retards will shut the hell up for a while.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The ultimate Superman movie...

    by Fake alias

    ...is undeniably the first Richard Donner film--the cast, the score, the sweeping epic scale makes it one of the greatest movies of all time, period. When I heard about Nic Cage vs Doomsday, probably the worst comic ever, I was very disappointed. Especially after seeing Mars Attacks(Burton's the Man, but not for Superman). This new story is definitely a step in the right direction, but I don't want to see Superman coming off as too much of a straight man to Lobo's probably comedic, loud, over the top movie character. You could start the movie off like a Bond, with Superman fighting Luthor(how about that cool bald guy from the short lived ABC series "Murder One"? He's a lawyer from time to time on NYPD Blue too), and after the credits get to the big threat--Darksied(voiced by James Earl Jones or Frank Langella) coming to attack Earth ala Independence Day. Superman/Clark should be a total unknown, amazingly built like the comics (no Tyler Manes or The Rock, acting ability a must please), but the way Hollywood works, every star will be climbing over themselves to be in a high profile movie like this(re:Batman franchise), so Unknown-Dean Cain-Brendan Frasier in that order. Cain was fucking great in the role. Frasier's got the looks and the chops. No Cage, please Hollywood. How about a JLA movie already?

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Hey, hasn't anyone looked at Puddy recently?

    by enigmainyourhead

    Sure he's already the Tick, but Patrick Warburton IS Superman. An for Lobo, how come no one has said Rob Zombie yet? He's already a dead ringer...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:09 p.m. CST

    LOBO should be played by Richard Pryor!

    by Studio Lackey

    Because that would be the only way they could make this proposed film even more like "Superman III." Come on, people, wake up! I like Lobo, too, but there is no way in hell that this character is going to work on the big screen in a mainstream Hollywood motion picture. A Lobo solo picture, sure. Lobo in a Superman TV series, sure. But on the big screen he's just going to look ridiculous, and audiences will LAUGH THIS MOVIE OUT OF THE THEATER. It's not going to work the way you think it's going to work. Any Lobo-Superman story is going to end up as campy cheese, "Batman and Robin"-style. Supermans I and II worked because their villains were just enough on this side of believability to give the battle a sense of nobility and danger. But if you start throwing in shit like "alien mafia" and some kind of stupid plotline about "a drug that's a common resource on Earth" (this premise has been joked about on THE SIMPSONS, for Christ's sake), and then throw some kind of "badass" space biker (don't tell me...his onscreen introduction will be accompanied by the opening riffs of "Bad to the Bone"), the vast, overwhelming majority of people, who have never even HEARD of Lobo before, are going to look at this and think, "This is completely cheesy bullshit." As I said, I LIKE Lobo. I think he's a cool character, but not for a second do I think that he's gonna work in a Superman movie. A character like that will end up being sanitized and made kiddie-friendly so as to move action figures. You know what that means? Yep, that's right -- stupid-ass "outrageous" biker dude turning what should be the triumphant return of the Superman franchise into just another weak cartoony joke. Accompanied by "Bad to the Bone." Misguided fanboy masturbatory fantasies like this are why comic book fans continue to be regarded as dork-ass losers. Now, having said that, I think "poisonous dwarf" is right on in mentioning Paul Gross as Superman. He's absolutely perfect -- check out any episode of "Due South" on TNT and you'll see why. But please...NO LOBO. You may cheer now, but I promise you, we have here the makings of the biggest superhero-flick debacle since "Batman and Robin." We're looking at the death of the Superman franchise.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin

    by BidloKwerve

    How come Batman doesn't dance anymore? I'm sure you kids are too young to remember the battoosi...

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:16 p.m. CST

    We WANT to believe!!!!

    by Darth Fart

    This storyline sound very phoney. I want a film where we believe Superman is real, not fantasy. visit my friend's site Superman CINEMA http://www.deceptions.net/superman

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:18 p.m. CST

    We're just two hooded guys...hey, don't worry about us, just mov

    by Battle-Poster

    (A holo-transmission to the Nerdmodians) Darth Idiot: I want those spoilers exposed, Viceroy. Nerdmodian: But it seems as though the spoilers keep leaking out eventually, and their are too many supporters of Chancellor Knowles to overcome. It will be impossible to overtake Ainticoo. Darth Idiot: Not for a Shit. This is my apprentice, Darth Flame. He will take care of your talkbacks. Nerdmodian (to other nerdmodians): Now there are two of them. This is getting out of hand! Darth Idiot (fading back in): I heard that, Viceroy! Now, I must retreat to my den to watch Jin Ger Linn videos. Do not disappoint us.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Wisdom from the Studio Suit

    by Studio Suit

    This film, if it gets greenlighted, can't be rated R and super violent like you fanboys want it to be, because it will be marketed to the children in all of us. Something that families can go watch together. That is what Superman is. He is the family's superhero. They want this thing to make lots and lots of money. Hell, that is why studios make films in the first place, to make money. If you for one second think it is to please fanatic fanboys, you're kidding yourself. Making a Rated R, ultra-violent Superman would be the dumbest thing someone could do, because the only people who would go see it would be the young single people with no kids. The studio knows this and will shoot for PG, no worse than PG-13, so that everyone can enjoy it. There is nothing that says a film can not be PG or PG-13 and still have a compelling story. The studio just needs to hire the right people to make it. So, if this script is what they choose to do with Supes, then trust me, The story will remain with violence toned down where needed.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The chances of this being made are the same as ....

    by aaron_stack

    1. seeing Monica Lewinsky portraying the virgin Mary. 2. seeing a Jar Jar Binks/Predator crossover. 3. seeing Estelle Getty ( the golden girls) as Jean Grey in the next X-men movie. 4. seeing Roger Moore in ONE MORE BOND MOVIE (UUUUUUUUGH) 5. Seeing your beloved Bruce Campbell as Aunt May. 6. Seeing monkeys fly from Harry's Arse (uuuuuuuuuugh)

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Regarding seven 11

    by samscars

    I would just like to say that I take full credit in pushing seven 11 into using puncuation. Thank you. You see he went away for awhile, so that he could learn to use periods, commas, and such. Now that he is back, using puncuation, I swear his posts read like he is an entire 6-8 months older. Now instead of sounding seven years 11 months old, his true age of 12 years 5 months old is plainly clear. Congradulations seven 11! Oh! I mean Twelve 5!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Oh joy, another idiot battleposter

    by samscars

    As if the first loser posting as Battleposter and pretending to be a robot wasn't bad enough, we now have an even bigger loser stealing someone else's idiotic idea. That is just damn sad. Please seek professional help.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 2:52 p.m. CST

    This is not happening or how I'm beginning to lose faith in Harr

    by Street2323

    This cannot be happening! Lobo in a movie? Surely not. He's an ok comics character and done right could be an ok villian in a feature film but the whole bit about the alien mafia has me worried. Doesn't this whole plot scream straight to video? You would think that with the writers Warner Bros. has at their disposal they could come up with something better than this. It's Superman for christ's sake! Don't put him in a movie where the villian is someone that only one percent of the population of the world knows about, much less cares about. Harry your touting this like it's the Holy Grail of Super Hero Movies and we all know that Spider-Man is going to be that(crossing fingers). And can we please stop suggesting Bruce Campbell for every movie? Please! The guy was ok in Evil Dead but please give me a break. He doesnt belong in Spidey and he sure as hell doesnt belong anywhere near a Superman costume. You may not agree with the things I've said, but remember...I'm Right!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Keith Giffen is GOD!!!!!!

    by peaches

    His variation on The Justice League is just about one of the most brilliant pieces of work EVER. He Showed us more about what a hero team is like in their private lives, giving charachters like the Martian Manhunter depthe and humanity, while being uproariously funny at times as well (gotta give props to JM DeMatteis as well). And anyone who ever read his take on The Heckler will know that when he actually does the art with the plot, he does it in storyboard style. I guess what I'm trying to say is, is that I don't think Warner Bros. can lose with this guy (plus, no-one knows Lobo better. He created him). PUT THIS ON THE FASTTRACK! And I hope that they consider substance over style and don't blow half the budget on two untalented big-name actors (cough *Nick Cage* cough). Treat this script with respect. Remember, Keith Giffen is the man that put the Bwah in Bwah-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Remember "Batman and Robin"?

    by Emby Mellay

    Consider for a moment what they did to Bane in that picture. If this Lobo thing happens, it's bound to suck.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I.

    by RABID KIMBA

    Sorry people but he is sort of amusing (although I think he's not the original Battleposter).

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:24 p.m. CST

    the results so far

    by gigolo aunt

    "I"-1 "Die"-3 Sorry Sleazy G you have to be literate to vote "Yea" was not an option.See Cattle Poster people don't like you, at least not the ones that can read.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:38 p.m. CST

    BONE IS DEAD!!

    by coop

    I just saw on the Comics to Film website that Jeff Smith had this to say recently about the Bone movie: "It just wasn't gelling," "They wanted to keep going. They offered another development period and I walked away" Smith told C2F the decision to put the brakes on was his.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:47 p.m. CST

    re: Gaylord

    by gigolo aunt

    I don't think that Hater will respond to rational thoughts.Just tell him you think he's cute and want to touch his butt.Then he'll have to deal with his own repressed homosexual tendencies, and his head will explode.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:48 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS LAME CROSSOVER

    by redbork

    Alien VS Predator, nuf said.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Forget Battleboy remember why were here!

    by Street2323

    You kids can't quit fighting among yourselves long enough to realize the reason were here. Were here to keep crap like this film from being made and then shoved down our throats! Like ol' boy said "Remember Batman and Robin?" That proves that the majority of Hollywood had or currently has no respect for comics or they're characters. Until X-MEN they figured they could put out any piece of junk they wanted and we would still go see it just cause they slapped a popular superhero's name on it. Nevermind if the movie wasnt halfway close to being anywhere near what the character or the book the film was based on is about. Now with the success of X-MEN we have a dawning of a new age in Comics Cinema. With Spider-Man on the horizon and X-MEN II in the works, things are starting to look up for comics fans at the movies. But this Superman-Lobo thing is ignorant. I mean c'mon, Harry you can not be this sparse. You run AICN for the love of pete! How can you say this will be the..Oh don't even make me say it again. Superman-Lobo on the big screen would suck! We all know it. Now Harry why don't you focus your energy on posting some real news. Like the fact that Alicia Witt is (according to Tobey Maguire)a shoe-in for the role of Mary Jane. (As reported on Spidermanhype.com) Now thats cool news about a cool movie thats about a cool character that IS being made. You may not like what I've said but remember...I'm right!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:54 p.m. CST

    One Is The Loneliest Number

    by FrankMackey

    Frank, what's wrong? Frank, what are you doing? (pause) "I'm quietly judging (all of) you."

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Supes

    by Dr. Strangeballs

    This movie would kick ass! While I've never been a big fan of Lobo, Giffen's ideas rock! Poosible directors? None other than the Coen bros.! Think about it- this is pretty wild material, perfect for them, and their shots in Hudsucker are perfect Metropolis! Too bad the chances of them doing it are about as good as the chances of this flick getting made(corporate dickheads!) P.S. The greatest superhero flick ever? How bout a kickass Stormwatch leading into The Authority series under direct control of the madman himself, Warren Ellis!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Does Lobo mostly suck?

    by Emby Mellay

    Come to think of it, I'm not too sure how I feel about old Lobo. DC has produced more bad comics featuring Lobo than good ones. The only ones worth a second glance are the ones Bisley drew.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Kingdom Come was no classic, but it looked nice

    by X-Girls

    RE: Bone movie dead. I just told my younger brother this, and it tore his heart open. That's really unfortunate, it was looking great. www.boneville.com

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor...

    by Dingo Wrangler

    ..Brendan Fraser as Superman (heroic, cool, goofy as Clark Kent, and with a great sense of humor as well, just think about it for a while) and an alien badass who Lex, in his infinite, used-car-salesman/shady entrepreneur mode gets to work for and with him. That is the only Superman movie to make. If I were to see the script (AHEM, my problem with this site: tell us about cool shit but never let us see it for ourselves, it's like a girlfriend who is nothing but an enormous tease) I may change my opinion. But I still think my idea would kick a lot of ass.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 4:50 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK AMBUSH BUG!!!!!

    by wash

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Living Emodiment of Kal El?

    by Chronwood

    Patrick Warburton, aka, Puddy and Johnny Johnson. He's big, quiet and has that comic book-other wordly sorta mug. Nuff!

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Sounds workable, but WB and Peters will ruin it

    by KingKrypton

    Considering how the Lobo two-parter on the WB's glorious SUPERMAN cartoon turned out to be a terrfic episode, I think a Superman film with Lobo as the villain sounds doable (me and my homeboys at the DC site think Lobo works best as a Superman villain, anyway). Giffen certainly knows both characters inside and out and could probably pull it off, but let's face it, folks: Jon Peters will never let a good comic book movie be made. He's butchered every prior attempt at Superman so far (as well as Gaiman's Sandman), and he'll just butcher Giffen's stuff, too. This is going to be Kevin Smith all over again, mark my words. If WB really wants to do Superman right, they'll fire Peters and bring in somebody who genuinely cares about the character. Peters has not one single, solitary right to even be the least bit involved with a Superman project, not even as a hair dresser. Give Donner the producer's chair already. As for a dark, R-rated Superman film, are you guys insane? Superman is a family character, strictly PG/PG-13. An R rating would just demonstrate that the character's been compromised and violated. No thanks. I want to see Superman done right, not screwed up by violence and trend-crazed idiots.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Hi there, my name is Lane, pleased to meet you. BTW, I'm dead.

    by LaneMyers

    Yes it's true, I'm dead. In case you're wondering, I decided to end it all over a year ago due to events that could only be described as "tragic". Right, I'm only a corpse and the afterlife is kinda cool so I'll keep this brief, but you all must realize that Episode One sucked pretty damn bad by now, and that Lucas raped my puckering virgin asshole? Well, I just couldn't live with the pain and humiliation of this anal encounter and the shock of seeing my beloved Star Wars reduced to a pitiful, shambolic state. Add to that my hero George, who I always worshipped like no other, being a true sadist and sexual predator of the first order, and so with no regrets at all, I picked up that gun, loaded the bullets, pulled the trigger, and BAM, no more Lane, no more worries, and no chance of Lucas ever invading my tight sphincter again. Okay, a sad story and probably not worth hearing, but it gets so goddamn boring down here... Catch ya later, when I'm in a haunting mood. God I suck.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Pure fanboy peblum

    by superninja

    Lorenzo is on crack if he thinks this will ever see celluloid.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:37 p.m. CST

    oh Gaylord and Auntie G

    by GrendelKhan

    oh you two... ya crack me up with yer witty banter about that weenie Hater1. As for this GIANT TB for the whole Supes/Lobo thing...well I'm for it. BUT I pretty much have a lot of skepticism that it will get made, or that well. Oh well. I can always go read my old 'Lobo's Back' issues. I used to go around singing the "Jezus, Jezus, Bo Beazus" song from there with friends, but one day, some guy I sorta knew went, "He likes that." and I go, "Huh?, who?" and the guy went "Oh, Jesus, he likes that song." and after making that dog head-cocked thing at him, I asked "How do you know?" and the response, of course, was "Well, he told me so." and that was the end of that conversation. Not much to do with this whole Superman thing, really. Just a story about how, in fact, Jeebus DOES like Lobo, and therefore, this pic should get made.- Peace Out- GK

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Slease...

    by X-Girls

    Warburton IS Superman today. I don't care if we see a different guy tomorrow... They can buff him up for the role, if he gets pudgy in later years. And why will Superman require more dramatic pontential than another work, and you don't even know if he can do that! (how would he get to be a professional actor?) And who cares about the fact that he's playing the Tick on tv?? He can still play SUPERMAN. He was born to play this role if only once.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Giffen's Pitch Meeting With Lorenzo

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Lobo?" "Yeah, it'll be great." "So who is this Lobo?" "He's a renegade bounty hunter with super powers and an edge." "Well, the kids'll like the renegade part and the edge part, but I have to tell you, Keith, I've never heard of Lobo." "But the fans have. He's a fan favorite. He's bigger than Preacher, or Hitman, or the Punisher or Ghost Rider." "Never heard of any of them either. Is he one of Superman's regular enemies?" "No, he's a star of his own book. That's the brilliance of this. You'll get all the Lobo fans and all the Superman fans." "Well, Keith, I'm sure this Loco has his fans, it seems like all these characters do but..." "Lobo." "...but he's not really a household name." "He is too." "Maybe in...um, your household, Keith. But he just doesn't bring the recognition of say a Batman or a Wonder Woman..." "He does too. Even more." "That may be, but it's not. Look, your artwork and your stories are great, but we need to you apply them to name characters." "Lobo is a name character." "Okay, how about this... Superman and Wonder Woman team up against this..." "Lobo!" "Right." "Lobo is too a big a character to share the story with two other characters." "I'll take your word on that. Okay, how about you do a ... what do they call it? Justice League of America script for us. Lobo could be one of the Justice League." "Lobo would never join the Justice League and they wouldn't have him. He's too much of a renegade." "Well, that Wolverine was the best thing in Fox's X-Me--" "Lobo is nothing like Wolverine! Why does everyone keep saying that, dammit?" "Calm down! Calm down! Look, we'll give you some development money, you can write one complete screenplay draft based on this treatment. No promises after that. Now, don't hurt me."

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:44 p.m. CST

    And...

    by X-Girls

    the smirking, boyish you seem to find in his work, he's playing other characters not SUPERMAN.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Superman Lives was never good.

    by superninja

    Kevin Smith's script had a Jay and Bob cameo. It's not as bad as Polar Bears guarding the Fortress, but totally unecessary. It would undermine the film, and I won't get started on how the dialogue absolutely doesn't fit with Superman. Then there's the Brainac/Luthor crap. Does this sounds like a Lobo movie with Superman as the antagonist? Superman and Lois as supporting characters? All the action is determined by what Lobo does, so is it really a Superman movie? The Death of Superman storyline was one of the worst I've ever read. Doomsday was just a silly, silly villain.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:33 p.m. CST

    The greatest Superman movie ever made would be

    by superninja

    Superman For All Seasons adapted by the Coen Brothers. And set in the 40s/50s

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Seinfeld Superman

    by coop

    The Superman movie I wanna see is this: Patrick Warburton is Superman, Julia Louie Dreyfus is Lois Lane, Jason Alexander as Lex Luthor, Jerry Stiller and Estelle Harris as Ma and Pa Kent, Wayne Knight as Perry White, and Jerry as a sarcastic Jimmy Olsen. Here's a scene from my film: Clark Kent: Lois,... Jimmy... (Clark takes off his glasses) I'm Superman... Lois: Get Out!! (Lois shoves Clark) Jimmy: (sighs and rolls his eyes) Can you just bend the bars already and get us out of this building before it explodes Clark. Lois: Jimmy, he's superman (smiles, staring at Clark). Jimmy: (exasperated) I know he's Superman! everyone knows he's Superman! They're just glasses, how could you not know Lois?"

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Superfriends wazzup video

    by coop

    I just remembered this. If you haven't seen it, check it out: http://www.bewley.net/~prsnyder/superfriends_wazzup.mov

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Lobo vrs Superman

    by Elliot_Kane

    Lobo stories are black humour, it is as simple as that. The degree of violence varies enormously as the main theme is always to make the reader laugh. Lobo has guest starred in Supes comics a few times, and the violence was considerably toned down but the character of Lobo was never compromised. Giffen or Alan Grant could easily create a script like that. Casting wise, I must admit I liked the Lois & Clark cast. Teri Hatcher is unsurpassed as Lois and Dean Cain made a reasonable stab at Clark/Supes. Lane Smith was unbeatable as Perry, and John Shea made a superb Luthor. As to Lobo, I have no clue. He is so obviously non-human that I have trouble picturing anyone in the role. Will the film get made? I'd love to see it, but I don't think it will.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8 p.m. CST

    Lobo or kingdom come

    by ako

    Lobo in that excellent two part superman cartoon was very interesting and entertaining and the cartoon was not R rated. So perhaps they could do the same for the movie. As for Kingdom come as a movie concept, forget it. It is simply to big and complicated, the only way to do it would be to have a tv animated mini series. Two hours a night for three nights. With top well known voice talent and pre sold to over sea markets to pay for the whole thing.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 8:23 p.m. CST

    This could be cool as hell but...

    by DigitalCoyote

    ...it probably won't end up happening. I'd love to see this. I've been a big fan of Lobo for a long time, and I thought that they did a really good job with the animated Superman 2-parter that he was in. If you cranked that up a few notches and made the movie PG-13, it would be a hell of a lot of fun. There's no need to make the film so that it deserves an R rating. Also, yes The Matrix was cool, (hell, they made Keanu Reeves look like a bad-ass), but c'mon. Not everything needs to have the same Blade Runner on acid look to it. There's no need for that in this movie. The only real beef that I had with the cartoon version was the fact that Lobo wasn't sporting his hook-on-a-chain. X-men is proof that with the right people making it, you can make a comic-adaptation film that both fans and non-fans can like. If Warner Bros. got the same calibur of people to work with Grifin on this, the film could be a very entertaining ride. That being said though, I have to admit that this doesn't seem like the safest of bets. I would love to see this happen, but given Warner's recent track record with the Superman franchise, I ain't gonna hold my breath. By the way, coop, your "Super Seinfeld-man thing was pretty damned funny."

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 9:09 p.m. CST

    What of 'Bedazzled'

    by X-Girls

    Hurley is looking nize.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:04 p.m. CST

    DOOMSDAY!

    by Buster162

    Wait! Wait just a second here have we forgot the REAL Sups killer? Doomsday will always be better then Lobo. Sure Lobo is ok but what is wrong with a silent and evil killer? One that doesn't make 5 cents cracks and just cracks some skull? Oh well as usual you can never get Hollywood to do ANYTHING right.

  • Oct. 18, 2000, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I like Jason Lee..

    by X-Girls

    Jason lee is super-cool but he doesnt fit in no Superman 'pitcher'. >as they say in Texas<

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Re: Superninja and "Superman for All Seasons"

    by Dave_F

    Here's the thing: I bought the first two issues of "Superman for All Seasons" when they came out, and I was bored to tears. Loeb's retread of Superman's origin was adequate, I suppose, but their was nothing particularly compelling about it, certainly nothing as grandiose as Donner's work in that territory. There just seemed to be no driving force to the stories, which were really just self-contained character vignettes as far as I could tell. That's why I had to drop it after two issues and that's also why I think it wouldn't make for good film material. In all honesty, I think Donner's "Superman" covered the origin at such length and with such skill, that I'd prefer the next Superman we see just begin with Superman/Kent established in Metropolis. Maybe incorporate an origin flashback into the credit sequence, but once the film begins, I want a big cut-to-the-chase like Stan Lee did with his comics in the 60's. Of all superheroes, Superman is the one least in need of another origin spin. Even the most general audiences know this guy came from another planet, has superpowers as a result, and moonlights as a reporter when he's not saving the world. Now, why do I think the Lobo concept is an interesting one? First, because it *is* so goddamn off the wall. Lobo's low recognition factor with the public could actually work as plus I think. He stands to energize the movie because he IS different from the supervillain cliche. Look, Luthor's great, he's the king, but how about something offbeat for a change? Not a villain like Luthor or Brainiac or Mongol with yet another master plan, but a guy who's basically a lowlife hitman who happens to match Superman in the power department. I think that's a pretty fun idea, and Superman, unlike Batman, could potentially launch a series on such a fun note (as opposed to a traditional origin story with a lone master villain). And Lobo needn't be just a gag. If used properly (as in the cartoon), he's a perfect contrast to Superman. Lobo embodies selfish abuse of power whereas Superman embodies selflessness. Great foil. Incidentally, the film's real villains, I presume, will be the scummy alien Mafia types who lack even Lobo's occasional sense of honor. I like the alien Mafia idea. Could be both funny and kinda gritty, and it's even unique (in its comic booky way). How old and flat is the traditional alien colonizers idea? Damn old, damn flat. But interstellar drug pushers that want to whack out the head cop patrolling their territory? I like it! It doesn't sound mythic, an aspect I loved about Donner's take on Superman, but like I said, I'm up for some change. I'm up for an out-and-out adventure. The one caveat to my enthusiasm is that they MUST, MUST, MUST remember that Superman is the star of the show. The Reeves movies have actually given Supes a ton of screentime that Batman's never enjoyed, so I'll allow Lobo to chomp the scenery a bit...just as long as he stops well short of Jack Nicholson territory (a risk, I agree). In short, while a good movie could probably be fashioned around Brainiac trying to take over the world or Lex creating another giant robot or something, I'd love to see something novel and a little closer to the wild action of the cartoon (space battles and all). Harry gets seriously off-kilter sometimes, but I think he's actually maybe onto something here. I'll agree it's a longshot, but it's one I'd like to see happen.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I really hope so

    by great bandito

    Well, if it's ever made, and that's a real big "if", I would camp out for a year. I have been waiting for years to see the big red "S" on the screen again, and this one might do it. Lobo would make an absa-fraggin-loutely great villian, with or without the alien mafia. To acturately make him, Warners could do the LOTR thing, but instead of shrinking the actors, they could make an actor bigger. I think some one who lots a acting chops would be the best person, and not necessarily some one with size. Tyler Mane wasn't that great an actor, and Bryan Singer knew that and made his role limited. Supes doesn't have to be a tall, dark and handsome guy either, for the same reasons. But again, you need some with talent, but not necessarily some one you would recognize as a candidate. No one thought Reeves could do it, but look what he did. I do think a few cameos would be cool. Maybe a JLA appearance, if even in a news segment on a tv in the background. Bobby Drake in X-Men was a nice touch, and it helps to make the world seem more superhero populated and not living in a vacuum apart from each other. But it will never come to pass because Warners will screw it up, with endless re-writes or something. To sleep to dream. AH! There's the rub!

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Giffen rocks!

    by Blok Narpin

    Keith Giffen is awesome. Lobo, The Heckler, Ambush Bug, Vext, and of course who could forget his run on JLA and JLE? They are still my all time favorite comic book series. They are funny, exciting, and all around entertaining. This idea is the best I've heard for a Superman movie yet. Giffen can pull it off. As for Superman I would put my money on Bruce Campbell anyday BUT I doubt Warner Bros. would go for a cult movie actor. They probobly will opt for a big name star. In that case there is only one man for the job....Brendan Frasier. He is PERFECT for Man of Steel. He has the classic "Superman" look, a lot of charisma, and is a very talented actor. Far better then Nick Cage, and any other big Hollywood star.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:33 a.m. CST

    the perfect cast for Giffen's Superman 5

    by Blok Narpin

    Superman: Brendan Fraser Lobo: Duane "The Rock" Johnson (whoever suggested this was right on the money) Perry White: Dick Miller Lex Luthor: Gene Hackman (dont mess with Perfection). *IF* Hackman turns them down Then (and ONLY then) get the BALD GUY FROM MURDER ONE!!

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:36 a.m. CST

    There is no better potential Superman than...

    by Vegas

    Christian Bale. There. Go and see that he is cast.

  • Let's remember, this guy's track record includes: "Encino Man", "Airheads", "George of the Jungle", "Dudley Do-Right", and "The Mummy". A decent build and generic good looks do not an ultimate hero make. Fraser just can't project Superman's required nobility. In fact, the last time I saw Fraser in "The Mummy", he was smarmy and annoying. Like Indiana Jones if Indiana Jones had been smarmy and annoying. Fraser's had his serious roles, and I won't begrudge him some good moments, but no way, absolutely no *way* can this guy pull off the ultimate hero of our time. I mean, he looks like a dope, that's all there is to it. Superman ain't Batman, out digging up clues and analyzing fiber samples, but he's not supposed to be a dope! You need someone who can project warmth, intelligence, nobility, and righteousness. Picture cartoony-faced Fraser smirking on the previews for "Bedazzled" and try telling me with a straight face he'd be right. Unknowns, my friends, we need unknowns for these roles! Stop giving impressionable Warner Brothers execs bad fannish ideas! I won't even touch on the sheer wrongness of considering 42-year-old Bruce Campbell...

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 1:45 a.m. CST

    If you want to find some good Superman comics...

    by Dave_F

    ...look no further than the last few years of "Superman Adventures", the comic based on the animated series. I'd read the early issues when Scott "Understanding Comics" McCloud was at the helm, but found the series losing steam after he left. On a whim I flipped through some more recent issues and was shocked at the ass-kickery going on. The writer to look for is Mark Millar, same guy who bested fan expectations when he took over "Authority" from Grant Morrison. Backing his writing is this massively cool artist name of Aluir Amancio. No idea what he's done before, but his art has the big-ass gusto of Jack Kirby, and he draws Superman like he was a friggin' mountain. A *mountain*, you hear me! On a more prurient note, his Lois is sexy as hell too, all tight clothes and flipped skirts caught in the breeze. Sorry, just the dog in me, but man, this cartoonist must be horny as hell the way he draws these cartoon babes. Also notable are his curvy interpretations of Lana Lang and Mxyzptlk's 5th dimensional babe of a girlfriend. Look for issues between 20 and 50 to see the mighty team of Millar and Amancio do the Man of Steel justice. Oh, and since most of the stories are self contained, you don't have to worry about marketing-driven crossovers and ridiculous continuity trivia. Just flip through a back issue bin and grab issues at random with those guys names on 'em. That's what I've been doing and the reading's a blast.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 2:54 a.m. CST

    The eleven-thousanth post about casting which nobody will read,

    by Pseudonym

    Superman--Paul Gross from Due South. The man IS Superman. Tall, athletic build, boy scout looks, blue eyes, very clean cut. Watch an episode of the show and tell me the mountie he plays isn't just one step away from Clark Kent. Lois Lane--I agree that Janeane Garofalo has the Lois attitude, but even though I think she's great, she's not great for this part. Who would be great? So glad you asked--Diane Lane. She has an intelligent, sophisticated air about her and easy on the eyes. She can also act (always a plus for a movie). Lex Luthor--the guy who did the voice for Lex on the Superman animated series would do nicely, and not just because he did the voice of Lex Luthor. I can't remember his name, but I've seen him act in other shows, and he really looks like Luthor: a stoney visage, heavy brow and intense eyes. Perry White--Brian Dennehy was already mentioned, and that sounds good to me. Jimmy Olsen--whatever I say about this doesn't matter as WB will undoubtedly get some Dawson's Creek, Roswell, Popular, etc. person to fill the role. Plus I can't think of anybody. Thus ends this post which will be lost among the massive archive of others for this article.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 2:56 a.m. CST

    The eleven-thousanth post about casting which nobody will read,

    by Pseudonym

    Superman--Paul Gross from Due South. The man IS Superman. Tall, athletic build, boy scout looks, blue eyes, very clean cut. Watch an episode of the show and tell me the mountie he plays isn't just one step away from Clark Kent. Lois Lane--I agree that Janeane Garofalo has the Lois attitude, but even though I think she's great, she's not great for this part. Who would be great? So glad you asked--Diane Lane. She has an intelligent, sophisticated air about her and easy on the eyes. She can also act (always a plus for a movie). Lex Luthor--the guy who did the voice for Lex on the Superman animated series would do nicely, and not just because he did the voice of Lex Luthor. I can't remember his name, but I've seen him act in other shows, and he really looks like Luthor: a stoney visage, heavy brow and intense eyes. Perry White--Brian Dennehy was already mentioned, and that sounds good to me. Jimmy Olsen--whatever I say about this doesn't matter as WB will undoubtedly get some Dawson's Creek, Roswell, Popular, etc. person to fill the role. Plus I can't think of anybody. Thus ends this post which will be lost among the massive archive of others for this article.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 3:26 a.m. CST

    A couple of thoughts....

    by Hellboy

    First of all....LOBO was sort of cool for about 5 minutes. Then the joke got really old REALLY fast. LOBO's big in comic book circles but he's no fuckin' character that Joe America's gonna jump all over. Neither is DOOMSDAY, for that matter. These writers should stick to the basics. Know why? Cuz they WORK! Luthor works. Braniac works. Hell, throw frickin' Mxyzptlk in there for all I care. But LOBO? Jesus...might as well do a crossover with EGGHEAD from the old BATMAN series. AND SECOND...why the hell is Keith Giffen writing LOBO into a SUPERMAN script? It's gotta be because he created him. It can't be because he actually likes the character. I've read him say that he's grown to detest it. It's an absolutely self-serving act to throw him into the flick. GOD, I hope this doesn't happen. That it's prohibitively expensive could leave it on the shelves at WB...but hey...these are the same geniuses who are considering Nic Cage as Supes and once considered Chris Rock for JIMMY OLSEN.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Poor introductions

    by MCVamp

    First the Doomsday treatment. The only way this could be at all interesting is if Superman dies at the end and there's a whole Search for Spock thing. Otherwise, what? He dies halfway through the movie and the Scooby Doo gang crosses over to get his spirit back? Crap. Doomsday or Lobo would only work as a sequel to a successful reestablishment of the franchise. Casting? Christ, of course it's tough. Sandra Bullock seems like a decent enough Lois. Luthor? How about Ralph Fiennes? That is if he ever wants to go near a WB "franchise" again after Avengers. I just know Jimmy Olsen will be played by some WB network teen show flavor of the month, if it isn't that fruity looking Justin Guy from N'Sync or something, so why bother discussing. Dennehy as Perry White is fine. But Superman, well, I really could not come up with a truly Reeve-level actor. If you go with a big name, its 98% certain he'll be from 35 to 40 years old, so Sandra as Lois, to me, makes sense. If you go for a newcomer, which they should, a younger Lois is obviously necessary. Someone like say, Liv Tyler. Or fuck it, cast Jennifer Connelly, where's she been? Regardless, the plot should be something monumental for the Man of Steel to face down, but also something that clearly reestablishes the whole series, and the Lobo or Doomsday thing can end up in the inevitable "sequel that sinks the franchise."

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Love the idea....lose the mafia

    by Helos

    I love the idea of Lobo coming to Earth and tearing up the place, but please no intergalactic mafia. The idea of a stellar mafia sounds bad. How Lobo acting as bounty hunter trying to catch Superman for some reason? Perhaps some intergalactic council thinks that Supes diliberately busted General Zod et al. out of the phantom zone. It would allow the new film to be tied-in to the previous movies. Just a thought. Oh, and for the love of God, keep Supes as a big boyscout. His morals and clean-cut image is essential to understanding the character. Remember in THE IRON GIANT when the Giant sacrificed himself to save lives? He was right.....that is EXACTLY what Superman would do....without a moment's hesitation. ??? for Superman. Jack Nicholson for Lex Luthor. Clancy Brown for Lobo. Christopher Reeve as Jor-El.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 7:28 a.m. CST

    seven 11

    by samscars

    Hook, line, and sinker!!! You are so young and niave.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Oh No!, Not Superman

    by Biggus_Dikkus

    Can someone tell me why, after the garbage that was Superman 1-4 must we have another superman film. The only one which was classed deemable by anyone was Superman 2 (And that was because of the baddies). Everyone should just wait for X Men 2 which hopefully will have APOCALYPSE and MR SINISTER in. Marvel will rule the roost with the release of SPIDERMAN (Unless he fights those KUNG FU guys again). SUPERMAN R.I.P. and dont show your face again, its an embarresment enough to visualise the first lot of films, nevermind a new offering. P.S. The TV Series managed the unthinkable and was worse than the films, let Superman die happily or we will get more TV Shows and then Russian Roulette will become popular again for all Superman fans.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 7:58 a.m. CST

    casting

    by gigolo aunt

    Go with unknowns for the main characters!Especially Superman, how many parts had Chris Reeves played?I don't know, but I do know the one that made him famous.And give him a cameo, he deserves it.Maybe the new Superman can save his life or something.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Why the space Mafia thing might work...

    by Dave_F

    I think we're all getting a bad mental image of Star Wars aliens in pinstriped suits doing quasi-Italian accents and Godfather impressions. Doesn't have to be such a cheesy gag though, and I hope Giffen hasn't written it as such. Lobo, riding the equivalent of a space Harley, should be the film's main weirdness. As I see it, the space Mafia-types could actually be portrayed like an arm of the Empire from the Star Wars series, but more criminal than militaristic. Here's my vision: First, after recapping Supes' origin over the heroic music of the opening credits (wonder if Williams could bring back the old magic?), we get an action-packed opening montage of Supes being a hero - he takes out a squad of terrorists, he stops a robot run amok, he heat-visions a tsunami before it hits a coastal area, etc. Cool, slam-bang intro stuff, showcasing some slick modern F/X. As it concludes, someone (Lois Lane maybe) comments, "Wow, Superman, seems like there's nothing on Earth you can't handle!" Of course, the next scene we see *won't* be on Earth, as we cut to Lobo, trashing the living hell out of some space cantina. After the dust has settled, Lobo's the last man standing. A hovering probe or something equally goofy glides up to him and a robotic voice offers him employment. He's bored and drunk, so he agrees. Much to his surprise, he's instantly teleported to the command deck of a big-ass attack cruiser under command of...da space Mafia. No pinstriped suits, no Italian accents, just a freakish and violent conglomeration of aliens (maybe not dissimilar to some of what you saw on the Superman 'toon, which had designs by comic-great, Mike Mignola). What gives them their menace is that through the massive viewscreen, filling the background as Lobo's gets his assignment, we'll see that their ship is utterly devastating a small planet. Beams and warheads are ripping up the planet's surface and destroying what's left of planetary defense ships. Serious shit, but the aliens don't even comment on it till Lobo asks about the "great show". "Just expanding into new territories..." or some other blithe response will show that these space Mafiosos are some serious players. The thing is, they need Earth added to their territory, and there's that asshole Superman they just know will get in their way, maybe even threaten their whole organization if he learns of it. They need this asshole removed, and for the amount of pay they're offering, Lobo's only too happy to beat the hell out of some lame Boy Scout-type. As Lobo peels out of their attack ship (they'll teleport his space hog to him or some such contrivance), we see the last of the offending planet get shattered by their attacks. Lobo's grinning and the bad guys have been suitably established as *real evil bastards*. So? Am I drunk or would does a hypothetical like that make the space Mafia a foe to be feared? Helos, your alternate suggestions for getting Lobo to Earth might work too, but they wouldn't allow for the mind-bending action of Superman and Lobo teaming up in the end to knock hell out of alien Mafia starships, and that's what I wanna see! Two guys, literally going toe-to-toe with Star Destroyer-level ships! Wouldn't that be worth the concept alone?

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Cormorant, you rock, man....

    by LesterB

    Warner Bros. ought to just hire you right now. That's the first post suggesting storyline on this talkback that is a movie that I would not just pay for, but that I would shell our rent money to see. I approve. Need representation?

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Response to Hellboy...

    by Dave_F

    Okay, I agree that in the comics, Lobo was a one-trick pony that got real old, real fast. But a movie's a one-shot deal, not continual, annoying exposure. If they avoid the temptation to let Lobo dominate (and yeah, I agree that's a serious danger), I think he'd make a great foil for Superman. He's as tough as the Phantom Zone villains, but with a black sense of humor and a very occasional sense of honor. I don't think that'd necessarily turn off general audiences one bit. It's comic fans alone that have learned to hate Lobo's overexposure, but Joe Average might easily enjoy Superman versus the ultimate asshole. Really, beyond Luthor, Superman's pantheon of villains is totally unknown to most folks, so what's the compelling reason for going traditional? I think that's a knee-jerk fan response that'll mean little one way or the other to most folks. In fact, I'm thinking average Americans might be bored by a traditional stable of villains, and so here's the chance to re-launch the franchise with something invigorating and different, and packed with interstellar action no less. I generally hate what the comic book Lobo became too, but for a one-shot movie, the idea is worthy. Have you seen the two-part cartoon with Lobo? That's what converted my way of thinking. Just funny and cool as hell.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 8:38 a.m. CST

    What ever happened to....

    by BidloKwerve

    Jimmy Olsen? Y'know, Superman's flaky sidekick, a thirtysomething 'kid'?

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Response to Cormorant

    by Hellboy

    The two-part LOBO story on the Superman cartoon was great, I'll give you that. But the Superman cartoon people also get left alone by WB brass, for the most part. In a feature, there's just so much room to mess everything up and so many suits who are "SURE" they know what's good for the film. I guess any villain would work if the filmmakers (and mind you, they must be filmmakers of the IRON GIANT sort, with a clear vision, a correct vision) are left to their own devices. Still, you can't say that the public would be bored with Supes' stable of villains if you also think that the public doesn't really know his villains. Can't be bored of what you don't know...unless they were boring to begin with. And someone like Braniac, taken seriously, would be one serious villain. I can't front, I like Giffen's writing and granted that's when Lobo was decent. But knee-jerk it might be, I just don't like the character.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Lobo

    by Lobo2000

    Lobo is the man.I got most of his comics and I think the movie idea is great.Its stupid that Superman has to kick the crap out of evey human.I want to see if he can play around with Lobo cause i know that lobo will beat him down.Thats what I got to say.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:35 a.m. CST

    superman should hang his pants up once and for all.

    by JOCKO

    Who wants too see another superman film anyway. Any new film will be no better than number 4. It will just be one giant action figure selling exercise.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Cormy's on crank...

    by superninja

    Heheheh...Allright, allright...so you didn't like Superman For All Seasons. My problem with the way Donner handled the origin is I thought it was CORNY AS HELL. I liked how Loeb showed that Clark was known by everyone in Smallville, and the special relationship he had with his father and his father's fear of losing his son as he realized his destiny. I like how he revealed his powers to Lana, and she totally freaks out. Sure, they were a bunch of vignettes, but I thought it would be an interesting style to tell a Superman story in. One of the ways to retain the awe and majesty of the character is to tell him from a human perspective. Heck, the origin on the cartoon was better than Donner's origin, IMHO. Donner's origin said, "Let's just show off his powers and then get him to the big city." Not that I'm saying it is a bad movie -- not by a longshot. I just think Kal's ties to Smallville should have a stronger emotional core. I also like how they portrayed Luthor as (NOT a buffoon) but a man who pretty much owned Metropolis, lock, stock and barrel and that there was no way in hell he'd let any man, super or otherwise take it from him. It gave Luthor another facet to show him wanting the people's admiration, not just financial control. And Lois -- a lot like the Lois of the cartoon. Extremely cynical, a smart ass, sexy and sort of clueless when it comes to Clark's affections for her. Margot Kidder was Lois-lite to me. She just wasn't edgy enough -- more akin to the Fleisher Lois that was the constant damsel in distress. I like Lois being tough and a little cutthroat until she meets Superman and he starts to change her. These are all just my opinions of course. I think Donner laid the groundwork, but I wouldn't mind seeing the whole thing done over again with a more epic scope.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:06 p.m. CST

    But where do we go from there?

    by superninja

    They will look at this as a franchise. To have Superman already have defeated all of Earth's menaces is a BIG MISTAKE. There are so many stories to tell before they have to start bringing in characters like Lobo. Luthor, Braniac, Metallo...even Batman in a World's Finest movie should come before this.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Specifically Clark running through the wheatfields

    by superninja

    and then jumping off one of the hillsides. The way they drew it was breathtaking -- the sun rising in the early morning making everything golden. And they animated it so for just a half-second, it looks like he might fall, but then he stretches his arms out and soars over the field, as his shadow follows him below. I get all misty-eyed just thinking about it...

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Plot & Casting

    by Elliot_Kane

    I like Cormorant's plot synopsis. Very good indeed. Changing the subject, casting. If the Lois & Clark cast don't suit, try Kristy Swanson as Lois (yes, with dyed hair), Paul Gross as Supes, Seth Green as Jimmy and Patrick Stewart as Luthor. Lobo still escapes me. By the way (and totally off subject), is anyone else annoyed at Marvel over their treatment of Illyana/Magik?

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 1:13 p.m. CST

    What a great movie!

    by Theta

    Too bad they'll never make it. This is pure fanboy stuff, guys. I know and love Lobo from his (unfortunately cancelled) series, and supposedly there was a movie that debuted at video stores, which they mentioned in the lettercol, and is apparently crap even by direct-to-video standards. But would Joe Six-Pack from Lower Hog's Butt, Nebraska, pay money to watch a character he's never heard of duke it out with Supes? I want to say yes, I really, really, REALLY do. My soul does, but my brain says no, and I trust my brain. But I have no doubt there will be a Superman movie...what's really standing in their way is finding a Supes. Let's face it, that's a hell of a role to take on. We don't need a famous face to do it.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 1:48 p.m. CST

    YES!!! Patrick Stewart as every bald character ever!

    by superninja

    Good call there, old boy! ;)

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Patrick Stewart

    by Elliot_Kane

    Hey, Superninja, Luthor is a charismatic bald guy. He should be capable of charming or sinister as needed. Who else you gonna cast?

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Well, Kevin Spacey comes to mind.

    by superninja

    I would say Stewart is too aristocratic. I've never seen him able to play that down (much less do an effective American accent). When he plays baddies, they always seem kind of foppish, like Ben Kingsley. And I like Stewart. Spacey can play both charming and lethal all in one breath. Gary Sinise? Billy Bob Thornton? This might sound whacky -- what about Kurt Russell with his head shaved? I like the way the Animated Series made him a glorified thug with brains.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Luthor as Thug...

    by Elliot_Kane

    doesn't really do it for me. I much prefer John Shea's version from Lois & Clark. He would still be my first choice, bald or not. You're right about Patrick Stewart's accent though. Luthor should sound 100% American (yes, I know Shea is Australian, but his American accent is pretty good). Tell me what you think of Kristy as Lois.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 3:16 p.m. CST

    my casting.

    by super_darcy

    I think Adrian Paul could play supes. provided he lose that accent of his. Stacey Keach as perry white, Jason Lee as Jimmy Olsen. thats all i can think of.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 4:18 p.m. CST

    After reading superninja's analysis of Donner's Superman, my jaw

    by Village Idiot

    In fact I still can't believe it. Wait, let me read it again. . .Ok I'm back. Sweet screamin' monkeys, girl! Are YOU on crank? "Let's just show off his powers and then get him to the big city." That wasn't a montage sequence; we're talking about the whole first third of the freakin' film! Very poignant and very emotionally affecting, especially the teenage Clark scenes. IT ESTABLISHES THE CENTRAL CONFLICT OF THE FILM(S) (i.e. Clark's personal needs vs. his duty as Superman.) On a smaller level, this is evident in the his showing-off scene. I dare say that Sam Raimi will not be able to portray the angst of alienation any better than Donner. We see self-satisfaction turns to shame in an instant. But this conflict is presented on its deepest level when Pa Kent dies, and Clark realizes that "with all these powers, I couldn't even save him." (Ha, ha, corny as hell.) A pivotal moment for defining his character; a moment that is revisited with the death of Lois. You can't get a stronger emotional core than that. Furthermore, EPIC SCOPE? Donner was doing a David Lean impersonation. The movie begins across the universe, winds up in Kansas (majestically shot, by the way; the midwest has never looked better), goes to New Yo-er-Metroplolis, then California and who the hell else knows where in between. But more to the point, the emotional scope of the film, its complexity, its thematic depth makes it not only the best rendition of Superman, or any other comic book character ever, but a truly great film. Even I can see that, and I'm an idiot.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Ok. let's make this a plot people who arent fanboys might actual

    by ReverendSkippy

    Space Mafia... ahem.... right.... Only thing I've EVER seen near managing the feel of a "mafia" from space was the bad guy set from Alien Nation and they way they used a narcotic to control others. And before you suggest it.. NO. Now, alien traders who discover that some resource on Earth (but let's make it something at least REASONABLY out of the ordinary, like a mineral found in the Andes or something) come to earth to find it and who'se massive drug fields in the Andes do they land in but, Lex's. (intro of known villan to tie this in some) Lex realized the potential for getting alient technology to fight supes with, and works a fast friends deal with the aliens. Supes tries to track down the sources of Lex's new toys and ends up stumbling across the aliens. Supes starts trashing them, and they call for "backup". (Intro Lobo in a smaller role, but still enough to help the fanboys wet themselves) To avoid a simple slugfest, you can always throw in a plot twist where lobo is duped by the bad guys, and when superman exposes the dupe lobo turns on the bad guys then leaves. (remember Lobo's hyper-honor code) If you really wanna throw some unorthodox twists into the super mythology you could always include that in some inadvertant way Lobo affected which planet supes would end up on (really watch the Superman purists go into a tizzy...) Simple plot with lots of space to refresh the characters, Marketable (alien toys, action figures, etc ad nauseum) As for casting, I'll admit that Bruce Campbell as the big blue boy scout would be enteraining. (not to mention it would be nice to give him a workable franchise character). If you're going to put a wrestler in as Lobo use the OBVIOUS and LITERAL choice, the man who currently PLAYS LOBO in the WWF, the Undertaker (cgi out the tattoo of his wifes name across his neck.. or maybe not..) he's big enough. has the stride and attitude, and would be pretty much method acting the role. But if you're going to do this sign Campbell NOW as he's going to need a year of weight work to beef up enough. As Lex, well, I'd have to go with the Alan Rickman idea. Lois? You can't throw a stick in hollywood without hitting 10 feisty sassy brunettes looking for acting gigs, so throw a couple sticks. As for other characters and heros that's for other people to figure out based on who wants in on the franchise and/or needs a vechicle flick for that particular film season. Now back to your regularly scheduled rantings....

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Re: Hellboy

    by Dave_F

    Let me clarify a point I might not have before. When I say villains like Luthor or Brainiac or Mongul might come across as flat to non-comics fans, it has nothing to do with whether they're recognized or not. I just think those villains tend to be packaged with bland supervillain *premises* (take over the world, eliminate all life, build an army of giant robots, etc.), and THAT'S what audiences might find less than thrilling. Frankly, I'm bored with master villain types too, and that's why I dig the admittedly ridiculous idea of Superman taking on a brain-dead (but superpowerful) hitman and a sleazy intergalactic Mob that's put out a contract on him. Great stories can still be told with traditional villains like Brainiac, but I'm thinking the sheer weirdness of the Lobo plot would make for much more enticing promotions and trailers to draw in Joe Six-Pack. Your trepidation for the WB's handling of a Superman feature film is well-founded, and I'll admit it

  • ...for all the reasons Village Idiot just outlined. You might be able to poke some holes in the latter half of the film (though I'd almost certainly argue 'em), but the origin stuff is nigh-flawless filmmaking, just one great scene after another - young Kal-El holding the truck over his adopted parents, that innocent wisp of the Superman theme playing in the background...Clark kicking the football into orbit...Jonathan murmuring a pained "oh no" as a he realizes a heart attack is setting in...but most of all, the scenes that follow Clark finding the crystal fragment. When Ma Kent looks out the window at the break of dawn, only to see Clark standing alone in the wheat fields, almost literally feeling the tug of destiny...that's the vibrancy of myth Donner's captured on film. There's some nice subtle stuff too, like the moment where Ma Kent leans forward to embrace Clark, but stops herself, as if acknowledging for the first time that her son has grown up. Beautiful. ******* On to a different argument. I think you misread something I wrote to assume that Superman must have defeated all of his classic enemies if Lobo is making an appearance. The way I see it, the Lobo premise only assumes that Superman is well-established as a protector of Metropolis (and by reputation, Earth). Luthor is still around and kicking. He and Supes have almost certainly tangled a few times in the past, and Luthor might even be appropriate for a cameo. Brainiac, Metallo, all the rest...there's nothing to preclude them appearing in follow up films. All the Lobo premise does is jump-start the series with some serious-ass adventure, skipping over the origin that dominated Donner's film but doesn't need to be recreated again. I really think the next Supes flick shouldn't try to duplicate the thematic depth and mythic scope of Donner. It's actually time for a little slam-bang fun with the world's greatest superhero. Not mindless fun. Not poorly-written fun. Not fun that makes Superman a flat character playing second banana to Lobo. But yeah, some fun.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Donner, Lobo, SuperNinja & Village Idiot

    by LiquidNitrate

    This new treatment is a Lobo movie, not a Superman movie. The global public audience (aka mainstream masses) is not aware of Lobo, so this treatment's version of a Superman story would be like Phantom Menace starring Boba Fett rather than Anakin and ObiWan. Granted, the fanboy inside me would love it, but audiences would be left bewildered, knowing that Boba's never been THE central figure of the classic mythology, just as Lobo's got about as much to do with Supes as Predator does with RoboCop, or the Hawk man with Buck Rogers. As for the Donner film, it is his career masterpiece (and the greatest comic-book movie yet) BUT any fair discussion of the classy multi-layered ambition inherent to Superman The Movie must acknowledge the supreme contribution of Mario Puzo, who intentionally crafted the film's original script as a Greek tragedy with a hint of Catholicism mixed into the scifi fantasy. Without that foundation underneath Donner when he came on board to replace original director Guy Hamilton, Donner might not have realized Superman's potential as he weaved together the Norman Rockwell visual tapestry. PS.... I love the notion of casting Paul Gross, as he's perfect in all the right ways, and this Diane Lane idea could finally give her a distinctive role worth her career's heretofore half-tapped potential.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I'll Believe It When I See It???????

    by The Founder

    Whoever mentioned that the WB brass will screw up this movie all by their lonesome are dead on. First off their are just to many people in a position of power at Warners that will want to have their say and everyone will have an idea that they think is the best for the movie. So yeah I can see the endless rewrites with the script and so on and so on. The premise sounds good,and Lobo is a cool character as long as they don't have a ton of stupid oneliners.In my opinion Lobo should be handled the way Wolverine was in x-men and before anyone start bitchin I'm sayin that they can have him as a badass but toss in a little black humor and they don't over do it. The space mafia thing is what concerns me? I'm not saying its a bad idea, but it has the potential to go wrong.For this space mafia thing to work the creative team had better come up with a damn convincing reason for a criminal organization to send a bounty hunter to take out Supes. If you think about it this mafia is going to be powerful so why would they need to send a bounty hunter after Supes when they have an armada of ships and troops they can just use to threaten the planet and lives.That alone would make Superman surrender himself to them, but if the Green Lanterns are factored in and the mafia don't want to alert them to what their up to then that would be cool, especially if GL and the corps are in it(all I need is a cool scene with them in it. If Warner Bros can pull their heads out of their asses and don't over interfer with the screenwriter and good director then it could be pulled off but I guess i'm living in a fantasy world. Oh and buy the way guys Superman does not need to be R rated. He's an american icon for kids as well as adults and look at X-men it wasn't R rated and still worked.

  • Oct. 19, 2000, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Re: Kamehameha

    by Dave_F

    Okay, it does sound like Lobo will play a major role in this, but until one of us has actually read the scriptment, how can you say with certainty it's a "Lobo movie"? Harry was actually pretty vague regarding specifics and screen time for the various players. Also, do you really think the mainstream masses are any more aware of Metallo or Brainiac or Parasite than Lobo? They're ALL equally unknown. The Star Wars comparison doesn't quite work, Star Wars being an ultra-mainstream phenomena, while individual comics rarely have print runs over 100,000 these days. The average adult American might easily know who Chewbacca and R2-D2 are, but *Brainiac*? That's just some name they called the geeks in school. I understand the Superman fans getting uptight over Lobo, though I disagree with 'em, but outside of Jerry Seinfeld, I doubt anyone who's not a comics geek could name even one Superman villain that's not Lex Luthor.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, midnight CST

    Allright, I'm busted...

    by superninja

    So the Donner version was pretty damn good. Admittedly, I forgot about some of those parts -- it's been awhile. I still think it can be done again and I prefer the animated version and that of Superman For All Seasons. And epic in scope -- yes. I just think it could be more epic, more larger than life than even Donner portrayed him. I want to believe a man can fly.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Exploring the myth

    by large molecule

    Instead of putting 200 million into one story, have three different rising directors make three differrnt stories, each running about 30 to 40 minutes. Im reminded of the "Simpsons" Halloween specials. Three distinct tales, all unique in tone style and mood (Mr.XGPTWTF? can be satirical and surreal) This sounds better than the endless number of fanboy crossover suggestions.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:10 a.m. CST

    But I will not take back...

    by superninja

    That some of it is corny. Just corny. Like that whole football scene, for example. (Ducks tomatoes.) I guess I don't want to see him as "superboy". I'd rather him as an adult on the brink of leaving Smallville because he's outgrown it -- because his destiny is calling. Not because Pa Kent dies or he finds a green crystal. And btw - WHAT KIND OF GAME WAS HIS PARENTS PLAYING WITH HIM? "Son, here's a pretty green crystal that will tell you all about your origins." Imagine the trauma he experienced when first coming upon Kryptonite! That poor man!

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Re: The Founder

    by Dave_F

    I just have way too much time on my hands today, but as long as I'm getting behind this Lobo idea, I might as well answer as many criticisms as possible. Founder, you asked why the space Mafia (I love saying that) would send Lobo when they're obviously pretty tough hombres themselves. I was wondering about that too. The reasoning I came up with is that they know and fear Superman's track record. No matter how bad the odds are stacked against this boy scout M.F., historically, he always, always, always freakin' finds a way to beat the bad guys. Now the space Mafia wants Earth for their drug trade or whatever, but do the want to risk their *entire* galaxy-spanning organization crumbling if they drop the ball and Superman goes after 'em? A specialist agent is better, because if he loses or gets killed, their presence doesn't come to Superman's attention at all. Lobo won't blab, they know that at least. I like that idea, that Superman's got this galactic rep that scares the black hats, even operating fifty bazillion light years away. Anyway, that explains the situation without having to factor in the Green Lantern Corps. I kinda like the Green Lanterns, but I wouldn't want them crowding in on Supes' first return to the big screen.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Superman's "First Return To The Big Screen" Should Be An ESTABLI

    by Cowblaster

    Save that for the sequel! In the meantime, a new Superman movie should be introducing us to these versions of the characters. Let's get to know this new Superman before he goes up against all this action. Don't just throw as much stuff in as you can solely to appeal to comic-book fans. The whole movie would just be a mess! Save this one for part 2!

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Casting Suggestings For The Millionth Time

    by The Founder

    Lets face Superman's shoes are going to be hard to fill.The people that come to mind are Adrian Paul,Josh Brolin,the guy Elliot guy from JAG,the guy who voiced Superman for the cartoon Tim Daly.I just can't come up with someone thats perfect.I like all the guys I mentioned above,but their all I think are 35 and over so if Warners are gearing up a franchise then someone around 30 would be the way to go.Another choice is Patrick Bergin he has the look for Superman and he's not to young or old,but his acting may be questionable.I hate to say it but he plays on Baywatch Hawaii and I've never seen an episode so I don't know how his acting is. The best choice may be an unknown. I like Diane Lane as Lois and Sandra Bullock would be cool to. I think Bruce Willis would be a good Lex Luthor and Spacey,but Willis has the look more so then Spacey does. I like Brian Denehey as Perry White but he may be a little old if a franchise is starting up,so I'd go with Sam Elliot or William H Macy. Ma and Pa Kent could be any talented actor but I like the Bette Midler idea though. Jimmy Olsen can be any young light haired actor out right now, and I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this but the guy Justin from NSYNC would be a good Jimmy and he does resemble the Jimmy from the Superman movies,but thats provided he can act.(i got the idea from MC Vamp).I don't believe I didn't think of him before but Billy Crudup would be a great choice for Superman in fact better then the actors I listed above.He's a good actor and he hasn't been in a lot of stuff so he would work great.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Re: Cormorant

    by The Founder

    God I have to get off this computer gotta go school(not high school). You have some valid points Cormorant and I hate to say it but you're right about the GL corps crowding up Supes movie just the fan boy in me and we both know that it'll never be a GL movie.The space mafia thing still concerns me though I mean the whole drug dealing thing is overplayed as is in hollywood and not to mention unoriginal and becoming a little out dated. I can accept the mafia causing trouble for Supes but like I said it has to be a convincing plan and reason for me to accept it. But hey maybe someone can come up with fresh take on the drug dealin space mafia.I not against the space mafia but its somthing about the drug dealing idea that just concerns me in a Superman movie. I mean for gods sake this is WB's flagship hero give us a cool reson for this mafia to be intrested in Earth. I'm not familar with this guy Geffin but I'm sure Warren Ellias or Grant Morrison and lets not forget Dini and Burnett could all give us a great screenplay for Superman's movie.This is what Warners should do and put together a talented creative like I mentioned above to script this movie and they kept their hand out of the pot.Oh and this Geffin guy has a cool premise going on,but a couple of talented writers working together could make it awesome.

  • ...Superman's already had more than his share in recent years. As previously mentioned, Donner did it pretty much perfectly in '79. John Byrne did the ultimate revamp in '86, establishing such modern conventions as Clark's parents surviving, Luthor becoming a billionaire corporate villain, and Kent himself acting a lot more confidant than he ever had before. "Superman for All Seasons" basically retold the Byrne stuff, beefing up scenes of character development. Moving on to TV, we've had the rather successful "Lois & Clark", which, whatever its failings, did re-introduce Supes to a lot adults. And then there was the excellent Superman cartoon, three seasons I think, which spread the Gospel of Superman to all ages. That is a HELL of a lot of origin stories, and all within about the last 20 years. Superman absolutely does NOT need his origin retold again. Even if they trash the Lobo idea and go for a safer approach, I just don't want to see Superman's origin yet again! Maybe in 2015 or so we'll be due another revamp, but not now. The miracle of the filmic montage can cover that material in five or ten minutes, leaving a leisurely hour and a half for some *original material*. ****** Back to Lobo a sec. If Giffen IS giving him exact equal time with Supes, if the character IS being groomed for his own franchise, than I'm against the project. But if Lobo's just a really funny, sleazy, and interesting villain that gets...say...a fourth of the screentime, I see no reason why he shouldn't be a candidate for appearing in a Superman relaunch. Special F/X are so rockin' these days that movies like "The Matrix" are gonna steal the imaginative thunder of superhero comics if superhero movies don't start strutting some action the likes of which we've never seen before on the big screen. Superman fighting robots and monsters on Earth is alright, but it's nothing mind-blowingly awesome. Now Superman versus entire alien fleets...that will knock audiences for a goddamn loop and show 'em a scale of action that'll have them wishing they hadn't sold all their comics when they discovered girls. If Warner Brothers can reach Lobo-levels of creative action with Brainiac, cool, but they gotta raise the stakes a bit no matter what. Parasite, Metallo, even Luthor...too down to Earth for the moment. Mxyzptlk...even I think that's too weird to launch with. Doomsday...so lame I'm embarrassed for even typing the name. I say Brainiac or Lobo for the villain. Brainiac's a guy I think of as Superman's most powerful foe (even if Luthor is more clearly his arch-enemy), but Lobo has the advantage of being more off-the-wall, more original, and just funnier (note that humor ain't antithetical to a well-written story). I see those aspects as merits. S-Ninja and Cowblaster, you probably see 'em as weaknesses. For that, you'll one day face me in Thunderdome, where I'll beat ya both till you own up that I rule Bartertown, dammit! Whoa, this cold of mine is making me loopy. Better sleep now. Been an entertaining day of posting though, so thanks for the debating. I pronounce you all master-debaters. Founder - for the record, I'm a little wary of the drug-dealing thing too, and I agree that some of the comic and cartoon creators you mentioned might improve on the enjoyable Lobo premise. I'd throw out Mark Millar's name too, the mastermind behind many a cool issue of "Superman Adventures".

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 4:17 a.m. CST

    'the Hell are you people talking about?

    by Radd

    What is this? I scroll down through the talk backs and I see at least half of them are armchair movie critics with the spelling and grammar abilities of, well I'd hate to insult any 2nd graders. Who are these people to spew out thier opinions and insult anyone who doesn't take them as fact? Get a life, please. It pains me to waste my time skimming through this garbage to get to the meaningful posts wich truly deal with the topic at hand. Anyways, I apologize for going off topic like that but onto the meat of this post. I personally like what I've seen of Lobo. I love that grim dark humour he's often portrayed with. Who knows? Maybe the execs at DC were wondering how to profit from the beer swelling, cigar puffing, musclebound bad@$$ stereotype much like Marvel's Wolverine and had this guy make them Lobo, but you know what? He's entertaining. I could see this as a interesting movie, certainly a departure from the previous movies but still in line with the comics and therefore not totally within the realm of 'fan-boy wet dream'. Lobo vs. Superman that farfetched? I tell ya I have a issue of Superman sitting at my parent's home up in my old room that has those two characters exchanging many a blow (yeah, yeah, git yer mind outta the gutter), and as I recall Superman and Lobo faced off in the animated series as well. Not quite the same thing as a Batman vs. Predator story. All in all I stand by the idea that this movie could be cool, and it could suck royally but so far it seems in the best of intentions and it's been a long time since we've seen Superman on the big screen. In the meantime maybe I should see if it's possible to find Kevin Smith's Superman script on the net now that it's pretty much fact that we'll never see it made into a film.

  • Oct. 20, 2000, 12:04 p.m. CST

    casting for LOBO

    by TripleH

    Seems kinda lame with all the WWF tie ins, but ya know, the Undertaker has the size and current look for Lobo, maybe? Just a thought...

  • Oct. 21, 2000, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Come On Guys Don't Dump On Ganeane

    by The Founder

    I know she's not eveyone's first choice as Lois, but she could work out pretty good.Garafalo has talent and she's one of the few really true down to earth and not to mention cool actors out there. I've always liked her.Now to the posters that keep screaming she's fat,well unless she's packed on some major pounds in the last week then you must know something I don't, because I just seen her on MTV about a week ago,and the clip was up to date. I'll be honest and say that she's not my first as Lois,but I'd happily accept her.Harry was mentioning something about Benico DelTorro's voice for Lobo,well I'll go a step futher and say that he could actually play Lobo now that would be cool.Who says Lobo has to be played by a wrestler,DelTorro's around 6'2 or 3 so I'll take him and I'd perfer acting talent over getting anyone who looks exactly like the character is drawn in the book.I just got put this in "BILLY CRUDUP AS SUPERMAN".

  • Oct. 22, 2000, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Casper Van Dien as Superman...

    by Bry-Guy

    Have Casper Van Dien as Superman, or cast a nobody who can be just like that godlike motherfucker in the comic. He can move planets. Fuck the everyday shit, the Superman movie has to be noble, broad, and REALISTIC! I hated the cellophane "S" from the end of Superman 2, and that white laser from their fingers, and the teleporting...If you got any BALLS, take back the first movie, and redo the origin the way John Byrne reworked it (after that movie was made). And after the trillions roll in from a kick ass Superman movie, do a Kingdom Come movie. cast Bruce Willis as an aged Superman. Bruce Campbell cannot keep a serious face for two seconds. How is he gonna be a man with the powers of a god/ the most noble man on Earth? HUH?! HOW? You morons are mislead.

  • Dec. 8, 2000, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I don

    by Sarge Al

    Even if I

  • On screen AND off.

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