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Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson as Russian Sub Naval Officers'
Well... if Harrison Ford can do a Russian accent, this could be his first major bout of acting as NOT Harrison Ford Movie Star (TM), but as an actor and as a performer.... in quite some time.
Harry here, and ya know... this news delights me, but sends possible shivers like the ones the Brits suffered when Costner was cast as Robin Hood. Can Ford deliver a strong accent... or will Kathryn Bigelow play it as Russians whom we hear in perfect American English and British English? Or will they have Slavic tones and accents? I hope they do.
Variety has reported that Harrison Ford is now formally upon Bigelow's helmed National Geographic Produced True Life Adventure tale about the first Soviet Ballistic Missile bearing Submarine in 1961, that well... Ya know, if you don't know the story about what happened with K-19... maybe you don't want to know... For you others... follow the link to Variety and get the cheap dime store history breakdown there... as for those that want even more information, search National Geographics till ya get the story.
With this film, the National Geographic Society is jumping into the realm of films based upon their stories researched and written up for their magazine and documentaries. The next one that they are working up is the STUNNING true life story about Shackleton called ENDURANCE for Wolfgang Peterson. One of the great human adventures... truly amazing. And we've talked about that film for sometime on the site... It seems K-19 has leap-frogged it in production though...
Also, it is looking as if the second in command on this big titanium Russian cigar might be Liam Neeson... No report if Mark Hammill or Ewan MacGregor or a big 7 foot tall walking carpet will be aboard.. but you can always hope. hehehe...
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I'm fairly confident that Harrison won't try an accent if he can't do it well. I haven't liked his film choices in awhile, but I can't say I haven't liked him in them. OTOH I don't have a great impression of Kathryn Bigalow. STRANGE DAYS and POINT BREAK don't exactly inspire me with confidence. Still, any sign of Harrison breaking out of his current holding pattern is something to watch with interest.... (And Liam, he generally makes good picks -- THE HAUNTING aside.)
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Harry
I hope by "British English" you were not refering to Mr Liam Neeson as everyone knows he is in fact Irish not British
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so broadly speaking an Irish accent might be described as a British accent. Besides, in his movie roles Liam does (what sounds to this Yankee like) a credible English British accent.
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...I can't say he's taken on any daring roles since Mosquito Coast. Boy. I think I'm gonna rent that movie again. Oh, and Liam Neeson isn't just Irish, he's what we call VERY IRISH.
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I think every single Irish person would disagree. And every Scot. What's an American accent, then? Boston accent, southern drawl? Geographic dialects don't follow borders or land masses all the time.
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SDG
look at a map the "British Isles"
Does in no way shape or form contain The Republic of Ireland
So "broadly speaking" you would be incorrect and slightly offensive
Think of this as the new thing you learned today
Liam Neeson,Gabrial Byrne, Pierse Brosnan, Bono, Richard Harris, Peter O'Toole, Colm Meaney, The touched by and angel chick and the bloke on Angel are all IRISH -
Kathryn Bigelow doesn't inspire you with confidence...? I suggest Near Dark.
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I'm sorry but it's true. The guy can't act. He can either play the arrogant bastard (Indy, Solo) or the confused idiot (Jack Ryan). If you don't believe me, go look at his movies. Everytime you see his eyebrows raise he launches into his "nervous" mode. If he could act, he'd choose more challenging roles.
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STRANGE DAYS is one of my favorite films of the 90s. POINT BREAK, BLUE STEEL, NEAR DARK are excellent also. Kathryn is an inspired action director. Just watch again the POV sequence that opens STRANGE DAYS, genius. This lady ain't no Mimi Leder.
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Well maybe you should get a little
more educated about the talented Ms.Bigelow
Make your way over to the Kathryn
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Don't know about anyone else.... I thought Ford was superb as John Book.... not arrogant, not stupid, just cool....
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"British Isles: A group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe comprising Great Britain, Ireland, and adjacent smaller islands." (Dictionary.com) Don't be so quick to take offense, Co. I am aware that people such as the actors you mentioned are Irish, and that Irish people aren't English. I even know that Cornish people don't consider themselves English (though they don't jib at being called British). I also know that Ireland is not part of "Great Britain" (though Northern Ireland is part of the UK) so in that sense Irish people aren't British. But Ireland is part of the British Isles, and in that broad sense Irish people could be called British.
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Don't worry, I'm not likely to bad-mouth Bigelow again -- but I can have my own opinion, after all. ;-) And I'm always willing to give anyone a second chance.
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Who told you that?
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Oct 12, 2000 9:28:38 AM CDT
I read this on Cinescape two days ago, but still I've got to say
by jackburton
If Ford and Neeson sign on to a film directed by the great and hugely under appreciated Kathryn Bigelow then it'll be the smartest thing that they have done in a good while, particularly on Ford's account. This has the potential to be *very* cool indeed.
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I don't think you give Ford nearly enough credit. It's true he has a certain range that he needs to stay in; but that doesn't mean he's not talented. Some talented actors can only do one thing (has Kevin Spacey ever done two substantially different performances?), and even by your count Ford can do two. Furthermore, Ford has more range than you give him credit for. For example, he's a gifted physical actor who can play both the competent swashbuckling action hero (Indiana Jones, Han Solo) but then also be convincing as the Unlikely Action Hero, the white-collar type who isn't used to swashbuckling and looks awkward and unsure of himself (cf. The Fugitive Frantic, Air Force One). In Frantic Ford has a scene where he walks along the edge of a tiled roof. He genuinely looks and acts like he's never been on the roof of a building before and has no idea how it's done. I didn't like the movie, but it suddenly occurred to me that if he were wearing a fedora and leather jacket he could have run across that rooftop without missing a step, yet here he was convincing me that he could fall at any second. There's talent in that! Ford also conveys emotions convincingly -- particularly frustration, righteous indignation, arrogance, and fear, but he's convincing nonetheless. He has brought to life some truly great characters. He doesn't have the chameleon-like versatility of a Daniel Day-Lewis or an Emma Thompson, but he's a gifted actor nonetheless.
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Oct 12, 2000 9:33:18 AM CDT
After last nights football does anyone admit to being English.
by *veers*
Much better North of the Border.
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Cornwall is one of my passions. I have read countless books and perused countless websites, and I spent a wonderful week there a couple of years ago. With my own ears I have heard Cornish people deny that they are English. They consider themselves (many of them) to be a Celtic nation under English governance like Wales and Scotland. They say things like "I'm going up to England" when they mean Devonshire. Anyone who lives East of them lives "up country." They call Cornwall "the Duchy" (the Prince of Wales is also the Duke of Cornwall). In a pub in Tintagel I referred to the Cornish people as "British," and a young Cornish woman burst out, "I'm right glad you didn't call us English!" And I smiled and said I'd done my homework. By the end of the evening I was told that I was "the only bloody Yank ever come in here that wasn't an arrogant bastard." Did my heart good, that.
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I love all Kathryn Bigelow films except 2: the Set Up short film and The Weight of Water which I saw at San Sebastian. This two pieces are just so pretentious and so arty that it hurts. the storm sequences of the Weight of Water show that Bigelow is in great form regarding action scenes, and the Sarah Polley scenes (with beautiful photography and great pace) show that she is great directing actors. But the "arty" concept of the movie with people saying obvious things about art, photography or poetry, that awful musical score and the incredibly boring present-days scenes with Sean Penn absolutely overacted and Liz Hurley so out of place made this picture an embarrasing failure. Bigelow is one of the best directors out there, male or female, and I love all she has done but The Weight of Water is just BORING. But it looks like this movie could be a great one.
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He's from Co.Antrim, which is in Northern Ireland, which is Part of the UK, which is a part of Great Britain. So ya see, technically...Harry was right. (See what I did there at the end?, I spaked in Harryspeak).
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sdg my new friend
For the record I am Irish I live
in Ireland a soverign island nation that is in the vacinity
of Britian and the so called British Isles not in it
the term british isle would suggest that ireland is British
when it of course isnt
Ireland is a seperate country
with a seperate identity
there is no broad sence to this
Cuba is off the coast of
America yet it is a seperate nation
anyway I am not or anyway near to being British
as for Harrison Ford yes he hasnt made a good film in a while but
we all love him cos hw is after all Han Firkin Sloo not to mention
Indiana freakin Jones
cheers
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Just cause. And throw Yoda in for good measure (pointless Star Wars references, GOTTA LOVE 'EM!!!)
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What have the talkbacks turned into? Oh, and cohol...... USE PERIODS! Thank you. They do have periods in Ireland, right?
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A fellow Irishman here chief - just wanted say - the next time you decide to get up on a soapbox regarding the sovereignty of the Irish State, will you RE-read what you've written before you press 'Post'?? I don't think I've ever come across a more inept paragraph of prose in my entire life. Er...capitals? Full-stops? Commas? ANY SEMBLANCE OF SENSICAL MEANING???? Ever hear of them????
To SDG - I really don't care what dictionary.com says, Ireland is no more a part of the British Isles than Canada is part of the USA - and to imply that we might be considered British is just about the most insulting thing you can say to an Irishman. And to any Brits reading this...no, I'm not trying to start a row - I am an Irish Republican and I think you should get the fuck out of our country...not too much more to it really.....Oh, and - I think the IRA are assholes too, just in case you think I'm a militant, English-hating fundamentaist..... -
John Boone, tell Liam Neeson you reckon he's British, not Irish. You're likely to receive a rather forceful kick in the gonads....just thought I'd let you know in case you ever bump into him....
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Cohol, I know that the Irish get uptight about this, and I can sympathise to some extent, but the fact remains that, by definition, the geographical area known as the "British Isles" covers Britain, Ireland and the various small islands, just as SDG said. "Great Britain" covers the island that consists of England, Scotland and Wales, and the political entity known as "The United Kingdom" covers Great Britain and Northern Ireland. These are all facts, and no amount of indignation can change it. Just live with it, okay. Be cool. There are far worse geographical oddities around. For example, the continent known as "South America", despite the fact that no part of America actually exists on that continent. It's just one of those things...
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Sorry, pressed 'post' before I'd finished. I just wanted to finish by commenting that, while it is correct to say that Ireland is technically part of the British Isles (it's a fact, sorry), I personally would never call an Irishman British. It's politically wrong, whatever crap geographic arguments you might want to try. I can sympathise. I'm Scots, and get pretty annoyed at being called English, which happens with depressing frequency, usually by US tourists, for some reason. British I'll accept, but not English.
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I feel like I've just endured a nationalistic argument between a drunken Irishman and a drunken Yank in a mock 'Irish Theme Pub'! I consider myself British, I spent 8 great years growing up in Cornwall before I got dragged up country, and you're right, many Cornishmen do consider themselves to not be English. Cornwall is pretty much a peninsula barely attached to the rest of Britain, and historically they had their own language (which a few still use). I therefore understand when Republican Irish say they're not British, because they're telling the truth! And Irish theme pubs are a bit of an insult to the Irish, be they from the republic or the north.
Anyway, getting this back on track, the film I'm waiting to see is Endurance, because anyone who knows the true story will tell you it is one of the most amazing feats of human effort ever recorded! Cinematically it will look stunning, especially if done by Wolfgang Petersen. He seems to rather like water, what with Das Boot and Perfect Storm. I thought both of those were bloody well made. I just hope they don't toy with the story too much or invent scenes, as it has been so well documented there's no need. My choice for Shackleton? Ralph Fiennes. -
Hmm, yeah, that's not a bad call for Shackleton. Another possibility, if he could keep his tendency to overact under control, would be Kenneth Branagh. And spot on about Irish Theme Pubs, Dan.
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And we know just how Russian Sean sounded. Sense my scarcasm? Then again, a Scottish accent affected by dentures still sounds more Russian than anything Harrison might be able to pull off... thought I could be wrong.
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Thanks Tailkinker for the backup. Not only dictionary.com but any English-language dictionary in the world that defines the term will back me and Tail up on this. "British Isles" is a GEOGRAPHICAL term, not a POLITICAL one. It does not denote any kind of connection to the political reality known as "Great Britain." The term can even be used when speaking of the islands prior to the existence of any Great Britain or United Kingdom; for example, in historical studies of the British Isles during the Roman era. The pre-medieval Celts -- the Picts of (what is now called) Scotland, the Scots of (what is now called) Ireland, and the Celts of Dumnonia (the West Country) and [whatever Wales was called] -- they were all collectively "British," even though there was no Great Britain. That's all I've been trying to say. I understand though that the term is a sensitive one, and in general I wouldn't use the adjective "British" to describe an Irishman -- or an Irish accent. But since the criticism was leveled at Harry I thought he deserved the benefit of the ambiguity of the term. Essentially all I'm saying is "Let's not get bent out of shape about this." Peace out, SDG
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"America" also of course is a geographical term that predates the political existence of the United States of America. South Americans who resent the idea that "America" is widely used as the name of our country can counter by calling us "the U.S." -- but there's absolutely no term other than "American" to describe a citizen of the U.S. or to use as an adjective for something pertaining to the U.S.A. Some South and Latin Americans call THEMSELVES "Americanos," and call citizen of the USA "Norteamericanos" -- but that's no better, since Canadians and Mexicans are "Norteamericanos" but are hardly citizens of the USA. Unfortunately "United Statesian" just never caught on, and so we are "Americans" in a political sense, and they are "Americans" in a geographical sense. And the same is true of "British." The political "British" are those who belong to Great Britain -- the English, the Welsh, and the Scottish -- and not the Irish; not even those of Northern Ireland, since the UK is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland," clearly indicating that Northern Ireland, while part of the UK, is NOT part of "Great Britain." Geographically, though, the whole bunch of islands is and always will be "the British Isles," even if the political reality of "Great Britain" collapses tomorrow. Peace out, SDG
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Hopefully, William Regal will be able to do something about that.
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Because they drink the hell out of some beer!! Give me a hell yeah!
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...don't react sho well to bulletsh.
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If you read my post you will see that I didn't say anything about weather or not Liam Neeson considers himself to be Irish. I merely pointed out that by accident of birth, he's not an Irishman in the truest geographical sense. Of course anyone who's been forced to endure the torture that is listening to 43rd generation Americans in loud shirts waxing nostalgic about their Irish heritage (when there are probably Martians who have a less tenuous link to the Emerald Isle), will appreciate the fact that it's hwere you come from in your heart that counts. Now, considering Neeson played Michael Collins on film, I think it's safe to assume that he's got at least a passing investment in Irishness.
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I hope that unlike EVER other american film EVER, that the story wont be changed and more imortantly that us English arnt the bad guys and the americans are the good guys. After all U started the cold war and we were dragged in to it. U were pure evil in the eyes of the USSR and i hope that this is put in the film and done correctly.
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A bit of an oversimplification to say that the "English don't have an accent." They have several actually; English in Liverpool and English in London are not the same thing (although regional differences in pronunciation are in the process of fading). I don't know what if anything could claim to be "normative" English, unless it's whatever the sovereign happens to speak in any particular generation. But even so there are many English accents. Incidentally, ever since Dan Quayle we Yanks have been quite conscious of the notable absence of the letter "e" at the end of the word "potato" (pl "potatoes" is a different story).
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Some please tell Harrison to stay out of the sun.
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Oct 12, 2000 6:16:44 PM CDT
Obi Wan, your ignorance is truely astounding and totally indicat
by monty python
Ireland turns out the greatest percentage of university graduates of any country in europe. Ireland has an economy which has grown by ten percent *Every* year for the last four years, making it one of the healthiest economies in europe. Ireland has one of the highest concentrations of high-tech industries in europe. You are trying to delude your self into thinking that Ireland is somehow indebted to England in attempt to assuage the wants of an ignorant ego replete with a standard model, poxy English superiority complex. And as for cash, the British government soundly Butt-Rapes Brussels for money as much as the Greeks or any of the others do. The only difference is that the Greeks smile and ask for the money at the same time. So don't talk about subsidies. Regarding your apparent disregard for Irish Culture and history, Well, natural selection is no friend of people who wield such ill-thought opinions. Take care, now.
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...I love england, especially London, where I spent many happy years. I didn't mean to apply a sweeping generalisation regarding all English people. Just the stupid ones. **No---- scratch that. People have a right to be stupid.** Just the ignorant ones.
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Don't they have punctuation in Ireland, either? Terribly sad, that.
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I was going to correct your inane assertion about America. But SDG beat me to it. Just for the record I'll quote a sample from your post: "The continent known as South America despite the fact that no part of America actually exists on that continent". Huh? Are you on a peyote soup diet? I was going to call you a potato-head basket case but you don't even deserve that distinction, since that edible plant tuber was not originally indigenous to your part of the world. Hasta la vista baby!
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This has got to be the most incredibly annoying fuck on the entire website( our not so dear departed DMFC included, at least he contained his ignorance to a single subject, Obi-Wan really diversifies)...I've lost my chain of thought. Oh yes, now I remember. Being called English a privelege? Centuries of oppressing and slaughtering their neighbors, oppressing a great deal of the world through colonialism, their good old inbred monarchy, and of course--the whole teeth thing. Yeh. That's one privelege I would be quite happy to forgo myself. One other thing in deference to my Irish heritage--ROT IN HELL YOU PUTRID PIECE OF IGNORANT SHIT.
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Sorry, Pancho, but I think you missed the point of what I said. This is about the difference between political and geographical entities. As has been established, while the geographical entity known as the British Isles does include the entirety of Ireland, the political entity known as the United Kingdom (but often referred to as Britain) does not include the Irish Republic. Now, the geographical entity known as South America contains no part of the political entity known as "The United States of America" (often referred to simply as 'America'). It was an observation to make the point that this sort of thing happens in a lot of places, and, unless you can tell me which part of the political USA is located within the geographical 'South America', it's an observation that's correct. So, head on back to your peyote soup, and actually try thinking before you call someone a moron in future...
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...somebody brought a monkey because a monkey knocked over the salad bar..
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Did you know that the British Isles (as a geographical area, before anyone moans!) have more regional accents amongst the population for the size of the land than any other nation on earth? That's one reason why 'British' people REALLY get annoyed when many 'Americans' think everyone lives near London! And we're NOT QUAINT either!!
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Right, since we've established that Great Britain (the largest of the British Isles that contains most of Scotland, England and Wales) is only part of the UK then what is the correct name for a UK citizen? Can we avoid titles that use swear words please :) . British doesn't fit, because that name only applies these days to GB inhabitants and there are many Irish people proud to be part of the UK.
And of course there are many smaller islands dotted around both Ireland and Great Britain as well.
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OK, here it is: my passport says "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Great Britain comprises England, Scotland, Wales and the Isle of Man. (Cornwall too). If you are from London, you are English and British. If you are from Glasgow, you are Scottish and British. If you are from Belfast you are an Ulsterman and British. If you are from Douglas you are Manx and British. And if you are from Cardiff, you are Welsh and British. But, if you are from Dublin, you are most certainly not British, you are Irish. Incidentally, I think Roger Moore was the only English James Bond
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Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson in a movie TOGETHER and it's about a submarian???? OMG THIS is gonna rock baby! Woohoo! As for the accents, I'm sure both Liam and Harrison can do Russian accents... Liam's done American accents for movies and Ford did a good scotish accent in Indy3 (funny ass scene BTW) Although Connery didn't really do a Russian accent in Red October and it was still one helluva flick! (Plus no one complained either)
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Being a resident in the UK, England as it happens, I can say i am proud to be British, people from Ireland Scotland and Wales may say the same or may refer to themselves as Irish Welsh or Scots either way i think it is fab to have such a vast collection of cultures and beliefs in a such a small space. So much history too.. you guys in the US really miss out.
But Back to Harrison Ford in the main I like his movies but you always go to them knowing what kind of film to expect. This new project excites me just because we might just get something a little special.
Thats all have to say really.
Harry this is the first time I have written but I love the site,
Your friend in the UK
Kev
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