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Paul Dini Talks About The Whole BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER fiasco

Hey folks, Harry here... I received a phone call in an official capacity from Paul Dini (screenwriter and producer of the upcoming BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER film) who was calling to put forth an official statement about what was happening currently with the film.

He confirmed that yes, indeed they were currently reworking parts of BB:ROTJ to curb the violence to make the film accessible for all ages. Now, up until last night, Paul hadn't seen what was being done to the film. It was in the hands of BRUCE TIMM (resident animation GENIUS at Warner Brothers) and when he saw the results, he was pleased. He felt that the film still works, that the intent of his story and script is still there. And at one point he said that a part of him kinda wished they'd written it that way from the beginning.

What is being cut? A gunshot... and the person that pulled the trigger has been cut. The results of the scene are the same, however... it is handled differently... less visceral, more Val Lewton-esque it sounds. And some of the fights don't quite go on as long as they did before.

I asked about the possibility of a second... 'SPECIAL EDITION' release on Dvd with the original cut. The lady that was speaking with him (I believe her name was Jean McCurdy [or something that sounded real close to that]) said that the decision on that issue has not been reached as of yet... but that they were watching my POLL with great interest, and that it was a possibility. Barring that though... It seems that Paul is pleasantly surprised with the current state of the film. He doesn't believe it has been butchered, he loves the original version... but also seems to be very pleased with this version... even noting that it might be better in some fashions.

So... Where does that leave you... the protesting fan? Well...

Paul is a friend of mine. We've known each other for over 5 years now. We've had endless conversations about the comic book film, the characters, etc. We've broken bread in Los Angeles and Austin and at the end of the day... I count him as a friend... not an acquantance.

Paul sounded tired, but sincere. There was no tension or guarded hesitancy in his pentameter as he spoke. You have been heard. Not only that, but WARNER BROTHERS is WELL AWARE OF YOUR DESIRES. Does this mean it's time to call off the dogs?

Well, I'm interested in seeing the second version, but I can tell you.. I've seen the original version and it is fantastic... Could the same thing be told from a 30 degree angle change? Yeah... I suppose. Could it be softened and still be of value? Yes. But should you want the original version? The answer is yes. YES YES YES.

I will purchase this new version when it comes out, but... I wholeheartedly believe that the petition sites and the letter writing campaigns and all the saber-rattling continue. The original version was never even rated by the MPAA, and I'd bet you had it... it would've garnered a PG... I have very very strong feelings about how Timm and Dini handled the film and the serious focal point... of which all the rah-rah is about... but I can't really complain about what has been done... or discount it without having seen it. Some of the best moments in E.C. comics came under the Comic Code Authority... they had to dig deeper into symbolism and metaphor.. and as a result... instead of simply letting it all hang out, they had to intellectually and artistically approach from a different angle... to get the same results... and sometimes (rarely) it is a good thing.

As I type this 5315 people are in favor of having the option to buy the uncut version of the film. 87 folks want only the option to buy the softened version. That speaks louder than all the rhetoric in the world. 5315 people willing to drop $25 buckeroos versus 87...

Not only that... but nearly 3000 of them want both versions... That's a potential hefty amount of money. Which ultimately is the bottom line for these exec types.

The more names, the higher those numbers go... the more impressed Warner Brothers will be. But you need to understand, the version that is coming out has the blessing of Paul Dini. Of that... I guarantee.

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Implied Violence
by Morgus
Oct 11th, 2000
05:11:06 AM
(sigh of relief)
by NUXX
Oct 11th, 2000
05:11:08 AM
If Paul Dini likes it..
by Bilan
Oct 11th, 2000
06:07:42 AM
This is a rationalization for censorship.
by MajorTom
Oct 11th, 2000
07:04:20 AM
This is not over......
by Praetor
Oct 11th, 2000
07:25:31 AM
Batman Beyond: The Studio Exec Re-Edit.
by Regicidal_Maniac
Oct 11th, 2000
07:25:52 AM
As long as the leave....
by Jon Zuckerman
Oct 11th, 2000
07:27:52 AM
IT'S STILL WRONG!
by Dialtone
Oct 11th, 2000
07:34:14 AM
I Just Don't See It
by Kem
Oct 11th, 2000
07:48:24 AM
protecting our children...
by Arioch2112
Oct 11th, 2000
07:54:54 AM
CENSORSHIP...
by BRIT
Oct 11th, 2000
08:00:55 AM
The shot...
by BBarnaud2
Oct 11th, 2000
08:13:59 AM
Bullshit! What else is he going to say?
by inkymae
Oct 11th, 2000
08:23:57 AM
As always, the Onion has a relevant take on this.
by LSHB
Oct 11th, 2000
08:31:28 AM
I'm probably gonna' get blasted for this...
by largent
Oct 11th, 2000
08:31:42 AM
I STILL REFUSE TO BUY IT! CENSORSHIP SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY
by TheExtra
Oct 11th, 2000
08:33:34 AM
BRIT is right ...
by cuznjean
Oct 11th, 2000
09:09:07 AM
But what I also want to know is ...
by cuznjean
Oct 11th, 2000
09:13:13 AM
To Praetor, re: petition
by cuznjean
Oct 11th, 2000
09:15:13 AM
Thank you Cunzjean
by Praetor
Oct 11th, 2000
09:20:44 AM
Censorship?
by AlmostHuman
Oct 11th, 2000
09:52:42 AM
I will buy both versions...
by AlmostHuman
Oct 11th, 2000
10:04:15 AM
First!
by Squashua
Oct 11th, 2000
10:21:09 AM
'BRIT' is NOT right, dammit
by cuchulainn
Oct 11th, 2000
10:35:12 AM
Incredibly I have the answer (really)
by gigolo aunt
Oct 11th, 2000
10:44:37 AM
To gigolo aunt
by cuchulainn
Oct 11th, 2000
10:55:38 AM
Just hit them where it hurts....
by icedragon
Oct 11th, 2000
11:30:29 AM
say this agin, why not do it on one dvd and use parental control
by sonatinas
Oct 11th, 2000
11:37:31 AM
Censorship? Well, in a way.
by All Thumbs
Oct 11th, 2000
12:02:16 PM
It's just a shame...
by superhero
Oct 11th, 2000
12:03:00 PM
I WANT ORIGINAL AND EXTRA CRISPY and some more REAL news
by StoneHelper
Oct 11th, 2000
12:16:51 PM
What you might want to read into it...
by Daredevil
Oct 11th, 2000
12:31:25 PM
To Maddmaxxking.........
by Praetor
Oct 11th, 2000
12:42:31 PM
A sugar-coated way to conceal the BLOODY censorship of BB:ROTJ!!
by candyman_boo
Oct 11th, 2000
12:44:57 PM
Playing grownup
by soylentphil
Oct 11th, 2000
01:24:45 PM
The flashback
by Chris_Fougere
Oct 11th, 2000
02:11:27 PM
Well...
by Lev_Harris
Oct 11th, 2000
02:42:50 PM
What exactly is Dini supposed to say, Harry?
by superninja
Oct 11th, 2000
02:52:10 PM
Off on a tangent
by TallScott
Oct 11th, 2000
02:52:20 PM
Deac Speaks... Warner Brothers You Just Don't Get It... Do Ya???
by Deacon
Oct 11th, 2000
04:01:47 PM
What about the Superman EP where the guy gets the electric chair
by superninja
Oct 11th, 2000
04:08:57 PM
Deac Speaks.. anyone gotta bootleg? i got cash?
by Deacon
Oct 11th, 2000
04:15:50 PM
Wow, Deacon.... take some Ritalin, will ya?
by Bregalad_
Oct 11th, 2000
04:29:42 PM
Why is this not a Feature Story right up front, Harry?
by StoneHelper
Oct 11th, 2000
05:17:35 PM
Paul's Pentameter...
by StoneHelper
Oct 11th, 2000
05:23:36 PM
An edit is not censorship (but its not that cool either)
by Tall_Boy
Oct 11th, 2000
05:25:59 PM
Oh, and PS- election year politics suck ass
by Tall_Boy
Oct 11th, 2000
05:29:18 PM

by AlmostHuman
Oct 11th, 2000
06:09:52 PM
Lied to again
by trainD
Oct 11th, 2000
08:24:28 PM
That still bites...
by X-Girls
Oct 11th, 2000
08:27:02 PM
I'm actually kinda curious...
by JimJim Binks
Oct 11th, 2000
08:42:24 PM
Willing to buy screener/bootleg
by Regicidal_Maniac
Oct 11th, 2000
08:56:50 PM
in the belfry
by jbreen
Oct 11th, 2000
08:58:02 PM
damn... that should be
by Regicidal_Maniac
Oct 11th, 2000
08:59:39 PM
Paul was silenced, but the uncut bootleg is going forward my fri
by TheEvilHarvyDent
Oct 11th, 2000
09:04:22 PM
Unclfka obviously missed the screening with Paul at comic con, a
by TheEvilHarvyDent
Oct 11th, 2000
09:24:50 PM
Deac Speaks... well i do get a little excited... i apologise, yo
by Deacon
Oct 11th, 2000
10:35:57 PM
Deac Speaks... commentary anyone?
by Deacon
Oct 11th, 2000
10:48:52 PM
Lighten Up People
by The Other
Oct 11th, 2000
11:15:42 PM
WB's deeds
by Pseudonym
Oct 12th, 2000
01:22:07 AM
Oh, Paul Dini's a HACK, now?
by Andy Travis
Oct 12th, 2000
03:46:42 AM
Hate to Stoke the fires but......
by TallScott
Oct 12th, 2000
04:00:04 AM
NO!!! IT'S STILL WRONG!!!
by Brinn71
Oct 12th, 2000
04:02:01 AM
Paul Dini and bruce Timm are some of the best hollywood has tho
by TallScott
Oct 12th, 2000
04:07:56 AM
Buy nothing! just give up on this fanboy crap
by sinople
Oct 12th, 2000
08:37:06 AM
I'd be intrested in seeing that screener posted to a newsgroup..
by mrobertson
Oct 12th, 2000
09:02:25 AM
My view, for what it's worth...
by JackBurton
Oct 12th, 2000
09:51:43 AM
better story
by Scavok
Oct 12th, 2000
09:58:15 AM
Spoilers and clips...
by Aunty-WB
Oct 12th, 2000
12:14:35 PM
Depends on what they edit
by Jobriga3
Oct 12th, 2000
01:05:11 PM
cuchulainn...is wrong dammit
by Kal
Oct 12th, 2000
02:18:39 PM
Deac Speaks... Canadian Television NOT CENSORED...
by Deacon
Oct 12th, 2000
05:34:02 PM
Bush Voters
by The Other
Oct 12th, 2000
09:45:38 PM
Re: DarkVictory7
by gigolo aunt
Oct 13th, 2000
08:22:38 AM
sigh
by Stark
Oct 13th, 2000
08:42:59 AM
The whole series on dvd!
by five
Oct 13th, 2000
01:15:55 PM
Episodes on dvd
by AlmostHuman
Oct 13th, 2000
02:51:07 PM
More on dvd episodes
by AlmostHuman
Oct 13th, 2000
03:03:11 PM
Warner Bros. Execs are Idiots
by MockTheKing
Oct 13th, 2000
04:56:19 PM
It's just a freakin' Batman cartoon. Seriusly.
by bltpdx
Oct 13th, 2000
05:31:06 PM
Seriously. I meant seriously.
by bltpdx
Oct 13th, 2000
05:32:42 PM
P G ? All this fuss over Pee F'n Gee ?????
by RobinP
Oct 14th, 2000
11:25:07 AM
Censorship? UK?
by ricisme
Oct 14th, 2000
12:14:04 PM
Batman Beyond Fiasco
by Mi10950655
Oct 14th, 2000
03:42:22 PM
Batman Beyond
by Mi10950655
Oct 14th, 2000
03:50:17 PM
Dini's not a d@mn sellout
by Kurgen
Oct 14th, 2000
04:45:36 PM
Warners and censorship
by Afro_Dogwhelk
Oct 14th, 2000
08:57:49 PM
Batman is an American Folk Hero
by DaveGoliath
Oct 14th, 2000
09:03:40 PM
interested in finding out more about the unedited bootlegs?
by returnofthejoker
Oct 14th, 2000
10:50:00 PM
To returnofthejoker
by Sim_Ronin
Oct 15th, 2000
10:32:06 PM
Another attempt to have somebody do the thinking for YOU....
by Octagon Fess
Oct 15th, 2000
11:04:35 PM
Screeners recalled
by norrinradd76
Oct 16th, 2000
12:24:12 AM
batman beyond
by HomegaMan
Oct 16th, 2000
06:48:13 AM
bootleg batman beyond
by Scavok
Oct 16th, 2000
10:13:21 AM
BB:ROTJ info!!
by The Man with the
Oct 16th, 2000
09:26:33 PM
bootlegs and why the studio are stoopid
by darke
Oct 17th, 2000
05:10:48 AM
I have what you want!
by The Man with the
Oct 17th, 2000
03:52:50 PM
Not going bother
by DMS01
Oct 17th, 2000
07:23:29 PM
Art Institute of Seattle Student speaks up...
by Brave77Heart
Oct 18th, 2000
12:33:46 PM
a sad day for us all
by motool
Oct 26th, 2000
05:37:51 PM
What is WB thinking?
by bluedevilnight
Oct 29th, 2000
07:19:32 PM
Batman Beyond screenplay question (SPOILER)
by zyuray
Oct 31st, 2000
10:58:30 AM
An injustice greater than Gotham ever faced
by GreenDog
Dec 13th, 2000
01:08:12 AM
Batman: Beyond Special Edition
by Atom175
Dec 19th, 2000
12:31:29 PM

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