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Mr Y gives alleged scoop on JURASSIC PARK 3
Hey folks, Harry here... This came in from a first time scooper... some of the details we've heard before... but this claims to give us a bit of a larger perspective on that opening. Now... structurally, this is beginning to sound a bit like ALIENS in a way. If this scoop is true, then we have Alan Grant... still a bit shaken up from his adventures in the first film... Having ocassional nightmares... perhaps unable to tell his fellow bone-diggers about the adventure because of a non-disclosure form... And then he's asked to take part in this rescue mission... It's ok, cause this time he'll be going in with professional mercs... he's just there to give them info on the various dinos and locate the nest and the boy. At the same time, the structure is a bit like KING KONG.... big creature captures someone... and a group of men have to track it and bring back the victim alive... meanwhile people are constantly dying. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MAINLAND DINO-STUFF? I don't know folks... We've got very few details... and remember... this is all speculation based on the following being true... which it could be (and couldn't be too) only time will tell.... Here ya go...
Hi Harry,
I have a friend "Involved" in the production of JP3. I have read about 20 pages total of the script including some changes.
This one will be much darker in tone including Neill's character (Alan Grant) and the violence that will be seen. There is a major action scene involving a Paraglider rescue and some US mercenaries. The flying dinosaurs play with their prey "like killer whales" before they chomp them.
They have been shooting a nightmare sequence (possibly the opening) recently in Maui and Molokai. A down on his luck Neill is back on the island, the host of a unauthorized documentary, everyone around him is ripped apart but Neill is strangely left alone. Still in his nightmare he watches the bloody show on his tv from his home.
Mr Y.
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Is this going to be a horror film or a SFX extravaganza?
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At least they COULD make it work, as long as they don't rip off too much.
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But coool news about JP3. I can't wait. I'm all excited.......
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First off, there were no "flying dinosaurs." If you're refering to teradactyls (sp?), the long, narrow-beaked creatures that have large wings, then pardon me for saying that those do NOT count as actual dinosaurs. They were from another entire animal family. AND EVEN THEN, the were herbavores. There were no flying creatures from that era that would have dined on anything except plants and the occasional carcass. No hunters. I suppose we should expect the same dignity and intellect that we saw in THE LOST WORLD (*ahem*).
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But I all Americans!!!!
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I love all Americans!!!!!!
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Indeed, children... Pteradons are NOT dinosaurs! The same bitter truth applies to the pleisaurs and the Dimetrodons ("Finbacks" who lived in the PERMIAN period) as well; no dinosaur dwelt under the waves or soared above the clouds! Thankfully, there are a few fellow amateur palentologists out there with the know-how to set Hollywood straight. Sadly, watching a flying herbivore eviscerate paragliding merceneraries sells, so scientific accuracy goes out the goddamn window! Also, a couple of other JP fallacies:
1) Dilophasaurs do NOT spit venom, do not have frills, and are actually much taller than depicted on film (the average Dilophasaurus was taller than a 5ft human); 2) T-Rexs can see you whether you move around or not! 3) A little girl CANNOT, I REPEAT, CANNOT, knock a velicoraptor out a window by doing some wack-ass gymnastic stunt. Please tell Mr.Spielberg and Mr.Koepp to put the crack pipe DOWN, and use some fucking logic the next time they attempt to tell a story (Note: this comment only applies to Spielberg's JP indeavors). And speaking of crack pipes, be sure to check out Russell Hammond: Behind the Music, and listen to my doctors talk about how I lost enough brain cells to make Pauly Shore look like Gandhara Buddha! Also be sure to check out Golden God Enterprises, my franchise of headshops, opening in Flagstaff, Az! -
now don't get me wrong, I liked jp2 - right up until the t-rex came to town - then it sucked big style. I just hope this film does the business and provides a lot of thrills, which it should do if this info is correct
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Thank you very much, Russell, for your talk-back, but I would like to stress that, whereas you seem to be very educated in this area, I probably know about as much on dinosaurs as the next Joe Schmoe. The only things I learned about dinos were taught to me back in the first grade, and I can hardly hold on to even that. Even I understood that this is going to be total crap. The truly awful thing is that the script is written by William Goldman, who wrote in his masterful book WHICH LIE DID I TELL? that "sequels are whore's movies." Perhaps he should listen to himself more often.
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As pteradactyls (the size of crows, by the way) and pteranodons (The ones with the 30' wing spans) are the ultimate ancestors of birds, it is unlikely that they were herbivorous. As they lived on cliff faces by the sea, they probably ate fish as their main diet. Given the hollow bones of most avians it is unlikely even the largest would be able to lift a child of any size purely due to the child's weight. I would also consider it unlikely that any government would risk the lives of its citizens to recover a dead body - which a child small enough to snatch would very swiftly become. If the paraglider crash lands on a nest site after being startled by these weird flying lizards we have a reasonable starting premise. The young (wo)man may well be able to radio for help, resulting in a race against time to rescue him/her. This sounds like what the plot is going to be, if the reports on AICN so far are correct. The 'child' is likely to be anything between 15 and 18. Spielberg may occasionally play fast and loose with the facts, but a sloppy plotter he is not.
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I can guarantee you , non of JP3 is being filmed on Maui. The islands of Oahu, Molokai and Kauai are being used, with Kauai as the main filming location. I am there and know this for a fact.
Bob
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Er, have you been talking to Larry Febo? :) Sorry inside joke. Pterosaurs were not bird ancestors, dinosaurs were, though the two share a close common ancestor. Anyway many pterosaurs were piscivorus/carnivorus. In fact I can't think of ANY plant eating pterosaurs, they just don't exist!
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Well, The Lost World was dark in tone and that was one of the reasons why it wasn't as successful as Jurassic Park. I dunno. Let's just hope that JP3 doesn't ruin the francise by being another "action movie."
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...this has nothing to do with JP3, but would like to suggest that you archive all those animated Harry's ever done and put them all on one page to showcase them, along with a caption underneath each one so as to label the film each comes from. That way if someone missed a few they can catch up. Thanks!
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Sep 18, 2000 6:28:15 PM CDT
Bad-ass mercenaries, tropical locale, ancient enemy: Congo, Part
by wesley snipes
Actually, this could be a kick-ass action movie if you think about it.. I just hope it resembles Predator or Aliens more than it resembles Congo...
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Is Harry the only one to have noticed how incredibly similar this sounds to Aliens? Nightmare sequence? Called in as an expert witness, but "don't worry, you'll be with America's finest"? I suppose there'll be one sole, incredibly cute, survivor named after an amphibian. At least there wasn't a cat surviving from the first film. The time the first film came out was the very first time I obsessed over a movie; most hype seems to pass me by now, but back around Christmas 1992 I was hooked from the very first trailer - a microscopic zoom into a mosquito in amber. Even seeing the film now on TV, I feel nothing can beat the main T Rex attack... Boom... boom... The zoom into THAT glass of water. "Where's the goat?"... Good luck them this time around.
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Please don't tell me the dinosaurs take the boy back to their nest. I really REALLY hope that he is like running around the island hiding. And wouldn't be cool if he found say something that was kind of like a skateboard and say like an old crater that was just like a half pipe and he did skateboard moves in the crater and fought off raptors that way. That would be cool. HUH? HUH?? Gotta go, I need to watch Gymkatta.
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While I appreciate your attempt I must part ways...True, Pterosaurs are not technically dinosaurs, but rather they both evolved from common ancestor archosaurs in the late Triassic, and were active in the fossil record as a comtemporary to the dinos in Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. So it is feasible that they could have collected the dna if you buy into the amber. But what puzzles me is that you seem to forget that most Pterosaurs seem indeed to be flesh eaters. They include Anurognathus, Eudimorphodon, and Dorygnathus who all had well devolped spiky teeth, which along with the long snout and arrangment of said teeth indicate a diet of fish. Throw in Rhamphorhynchus and Dimorphodon, both highy common in the Jurassic, and you will find, in direct conflict with your statements, many flying reptiles that hunted flesh from the sky. As to wether they would hunt a child...consider they have found fossil evidence in Germany of Pterosaurs with wingspans of 50 feet. A human child would be as proportional as say...a golden eagle to a puppy? And since eagles have been seen attacking fawns and ewes, it could certainly not be ruled out as a hypothetical theory. And guys...its a movie for fun. Would you spend 8 bucks to watch a PLANT in peril? I'd rather see a frightened and scantilly clad Leoni myself...so take off the pocket protectors and join me in the front row...I'll even spring for the popcorn.
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I know when I've been bested. Thanks for the clarification; I haven't invested much time to my palentology studies since I was 13, but I assumed that I knew enough to make an educated judgement. However, I'm not saying that one should let scientific accuracy get in the way of wholesome entertainment; I am saying that to the layman, this will be their interpretation of the animal. In some cases, such as Pteradon, Spielberg presents an accurate depiction. In other cases, such as the aforementioned Dilophosaurus, the depiction is so grossly inaccurate that they may as well have just made it a new species of dinosaur. Don't get me wrong; I love JP 1 (Book and movie; however, Lost World left a sour taste in my mouth). All that I'm saying is that I'm concerned by the misinformation this franchise can breed. Granted, all movies take their artistic liberties with reality. However, when someone watches Bruce Willis fall off a building, land on hard concrete, and get back up, they know its not real. On the other hand, when they see the Dilophosaur spread it's frill, they'll assume that its the gospel. Maybe I'm being anal retentive... but then again, we live in a country where we have to change "Philosopher's Stone" to "Sorceror's Stone" because 80% of most americans don't have the foggiest notion about the legendary stone... a society where N'Synch and Britney Spears are considered high art. So, yeah, I believe that somebody has to be the watchdog of estoric knowledge, and if the role falls to good ol'Russell, then so be it.
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My god...everything you mentioned I can identify with. Ever since JP I haven't really been so exicted about a movie. I will always remember seeing it, when I was 12. The movie as a whole may not have been so great to some people, but that first scene with the t-rex...and the raptors hunting the kids in the kitchen...awesome. Geez I'm almost sounding like Harry with the use of ... Now, why do people think JP was a 'light' movie? I think it balanced the 'wonder' of the dinos, with the dark aspect too. But yes, apart from JP, the only 'event' movie I got REALLY excited about was X-MEN, and that was because I was a fan. As for JP3...I'm sure it's at least gonna LOOK spectacular, although some of the dinos in LOST WORLD...ugh...
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Hey that news from Mr. Y about JP3 is crap. There is no way Sam Neill could be on two islands at once. Sam Neill is currently filming at the resevoir from the first JP movie and nothing was ever said about filming on Maui. This guy is clearly confused or making this all up.
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Sep 18, 2000 11:27:41 PM CDT
I've Read The Script. In Structure, It's Actually Like The Brea
by buzz maverik
All the dinosaurs are stuck on the island on a Saturday. They want to bond and have fun and share their secrets, but then the T-Rex leads them to his locker where are has some people hidden to eat. He hides them in the braichosaurs underwear. The dinosaurs get caught and T-rex takes the blame. Mr. Grant locks him in a pen. He gets out, the dinosaurs share their secrets and T-Rex has a good bye kiss with a triceratops ... although he ends up eating her.
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Just 18 more to go! I cant wait for the anniversary! By the way, maybe Bill Paxton secretley signed on to play the role of like, Hudson's Great Great Grandpa or something and in the film's climatic battle sequence between the mercenaries and the velicoraptors, he could be shooting and yeling obscenties in R-Rated fashion and be pulled under the ground by those spitter things (which were lacking in JP2 unfortuneatley) Come on, just THINK about the possibilities, awww man now i've done it, all this thinking about Hudson has made me jizz my pants, i gotta clean up.
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Why do these posters keep referring to evolution and time periods (Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretacious) when for years now it has been proven that evolution is impossible. They both are directly contradictory to the first and second laws of physics, the basis of all science.
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He gets on my fucking tits, what happened to the great posters like Pisso, Todd and Veers?
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I wish they had the balls to make this one for the adults who've been lining Spielberg's pockets all these years. How about a kick-ass Aliens type sequel, take it darker. The Lost World was pants.
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Sep 19, 2000 5:46:50 AM CDT
I can see it...Neill is having a nightmare being chased by some
by sackley
Sounds well original. Wicked.
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I really do need to explore other parts of this site more often. I had no idea the heads had already been archived. However, I would still like to see little labels identifying their origin. I can recognize about 95%, but those few that I cannot really bug me...
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Scientists once found a Triassic Pteranadon in the jaws of a Jurassic Tyrannosaurus-Rex......HOW DID IT GET THERE????
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If the anal dino-purists can climb Mount It'sonlyamovie, they might have fun with this. Any ALIENS rehash is fine by me...besides, I like Sam Neill more than Jeff Goldblum anyway. Neill carried JP, while Goldblum was a supporting character. Goldblum COULD NOT carry Lost World. This should be interesting...and I think Joe Johnston's a fine director for this anyway. He makes fun movies. He directed the truly kickass Best-Raiders-Movie-That-Wasn't, ROCKETEER. So I have faith this will turn out fine.
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Sep 19, 2000 8:45:11 AM CDT
didn't Malcolm get screwed cause no one would back his story?
by sundown
if Neill is down on his luck and no one believes him why didn't Goldblums and his character get together to blow the door open on the scandel. And after a trex rampages around you would think everyone knows about the dinos? I do like the idea of two sequels each exploring different characters interactions with the dinos though.
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How do you know a T-rex can see you whether you move or not? How does anyone know anything about how those long extinct animals behaved. Has anyone actually seen one? No. Sure you can base behavior on fossils and other scientific methods, but no one can be totally positive. So, if you know of some way that proves how T-rexes see, please let me know. I am not starting anything, just asking a question. I asked the same question when JP came out, except in the reverse. I asked, "How do they know a T-rex can't see you if you do not move." I actually thought that it was more likely he could see you, and if not definately smell you. The point is though we will never really know.
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Sam Neill has a nightmare at the beginning of a movie..now I wounder why does that sound familiar..Oh Yes! because I've seen it already; in a sweet little ditty called EVENT HORIZON!
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try decaf would ya?
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Okay...maybe I was wrong about this film. This sounds pretty cool as far as Grant's character. But I still feel like it should take place before "LW" or else it will just be kinda dumb...unless they come up with a clever plot...after all...who would of thought there would be a way to continue the "Highlander" films?
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Hi all first off i would like to say this is my first post here.
I read JP and lost world by cricton(sp?) the whole scene in JP2 with the t-rex running lose was not in the book. and i thought that it ruined the film may in jp3 we'll find out it was all a dream.... i doubt i look for this movie to suck big t-rex dung -
I wish that Ian Malcolm and Dr. Grant had gotten together for a sequel. I'd have love that.
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crimson rage what kind of crack are you smoking. Evolution has been disproven? Tell that to a biology major. Ignorance should not be tolerated. You are up for a Darwin award.
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Yes! You can disprove evolution in your own home! Try this: Take a watch apart. Put the parts in a box. Shake it up. Open the box. Is there a perfectly assembled, ticking watch inside? Of course not. So...the odds that the buuilding blocks of life would crawl from a primordial soup and a billion years later be a species able to build that watch and take it apart are so astronomical it is ridiculous. Open and shut case. mrsnow asks: Scientists once found a Triassic Pteranadon in the jaws of a Jurassic Tyrannosaurus-Rex......HOW DID IT GET THERE???? Easy. Carbon dating is useless at any point before the K-T boundary, meaning whatever cataclysm destroyed the dinosaurs also screwed up any barely reliable dating methods. It seems many of the scientific truths we cling to are on much shakier ground when one researches them. Tin Snoman, the world's foremost expert in Cold Living, saying, "Vaya con carne!"
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Sep 22, 2000 12:34:49 AM CDT
I Don't Know About Evolution, But I Know One Point Where Darwin
by buzz maverik
Survival of the fittest? Go to Wal-Mart on a Saturday morning. Now, you'd think that intelligence, strength and maybe beauty ought to be dominant traits. So why are they in such short suppy? Huh, college boys? Answer me that, Professor Fancybritches.
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Soccer is the number one sport in the world. Football can't even compare. Why do you idiots even call it football? Its played with a egg shaped ball that you carry in your hands. You have fat out of shape babys running around for 2 whole seconds, while in soccer its a constant battle up and down the field of play. So I have to sit back once again and have my weekends all fucked up cause saturday college sunday so called professional handball is on. I can't wait for the soccer season comes back so we can get to the real game where atheletes compete.
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Easy, good looking, intelligent people don't shop at WalMart. So the real question is, what were YOU doing there? HEH HEH! Seriously, evolution doesn't happen instantly. It's not as if our entire species will just change all of a sudden. There has not been enough time for the Leelee Sobieki gene to bless us all with stunning looks. Besides, don't lower income, and therefor less attractive (your sarcasm detectors should be off the chart)people have more children that good looking people? Neither trait is dominant in a society where it is not essential for survival. In that case its simply a matter of which trait floods the gene pool to a point where it does matter. Check out horse breeding. They selectivly breed based looks and performance, our society does not. As for how the Pteranadon got into the mouth of the T-Rex despite being from different eras, people seem to forget that the name of the age didn't change over night. Jurassic to Triassic (or whatever the order is, i used to know) didn't turn over in the blink of an eye and all of a sudden all the animals from the previous age died and new animals just appeared. I doubt they even knew that the period changed. As if they were all standing around with party hats on waiting for a spherical rock to drop so they could dance all night and drink their problems away. The age assigned to those years was assigned by US and as such subject to mistake. Aren't we in the information age now? I couldn't tell. It doesn't feel any different than the nuclear age. If our assignment of the titles Jurassic and Triassic are based on our "flawed" carbon dating system, can any of that data be used to support any fact either way? No. Does anybody know the scientific distinction between the jurassic and the triassic by any chance? I'm curious. As for the watch? Those parts did nothing on their own. Spread those parts out on a table for billions of years and you would still have just parts, no matter how much shaking you did. I see the point you were trying for, but it doesn't apply simply because the basis of life is chemical reactions. I can't get into specifics, think of it like this, are you telling your heart to beat? Then why is it beating? Why does your heart beat if you're not consciously telling it to? But your heart technically isn't alive because it can't reproduce on its own. But you, which are alive is totaly dependent on your heart, and the rest of your "lifeless" organs working together to keep you alive. Is it so unreasonable to consider that this could have happened on a molecular level? Or even a microscopic level, with pieces that while technically were not alive as you and I are, but were alive as your heart and liver are? It all started with a single cell formed from just such a relationship between "lifeless" components. The key being "lifeless" as a heart, not as gear or spring in a watch.
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Damn it I agree, 'scuse me chief, what the hell happened to Veers?
Oh and, just vagueley in mrsnows defense, about the cute-little-dino in the other dinos mouth, factual when you said all that stuff about the transition from era to era, well I think that was his point. Someone else was saying how it was all inaccurate and one little guy didn't exist when the other did, so mrsnow was making a point, but anyway that's what I thought. But kudos anyway, fancy suggesting evolution was crap. Oh and, as mentioned, Buzz Maverik - the reason why the 'survival of the fittest' rule doesn't apply anymore is because you no longer have to be fit to survive... it applies to evolution, well, up to this point. Even up to the early 1900s that rule applied, people could still die of flu back then. Now we are 'blessed' with medical technology that keeps vegetables alive, saves people from heart attacks, etc, we have better shelter, don't have to hunt, etc - and so the 'weaker elements' of society that would once die off and leave the strongest to continue mating are now survivors like the rest of us... Somehow I would have thought that would have occured to anyone that has been through highschool or at least knows a little something of history... And the reason why you don't like football, kinggeorge, is most likely that you Americans play your 'football' with bloody helmets and padding. I'm not a fan of Australian football, but we don't need armour to throw a ball around...
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