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Hey folks, Harry here... And our spy called 'superhero' has just turned in a fantastic look at BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER. Why's it fantastic? Because... 'superhero' doesn't really care for the BATMAN BEYOND tv show... it has never had that... 'oomph' that it needed to begin to approach the resonance of the original BATMAN. And as a result... 'superhero' has been disappointed throughout its television incarnation. Well.... I felt the same way with SOUTH PARK... I have always been a bit disappointed with the television show... wanting it to be a bit harder... more subversive... really getting under people's skin... and when I saw the film... all my problems and hangups with the series were COMPLETELY answered.... and so it seems is the case here with 'superhero'. He is now a full fledged convert. NOW... Hopefully, Dini, Burnett, Stephenson and Yakin will be able to take the next step with the feature live-action film.... I can't wait. Here's 'superhero'....

Hello Harry!

I am the individual known in your talkback forum as superhero and I am here with a review of the new animated straight to video release, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.

Now before I get into this I must precursor everything I write by saying that Batman Beyond is not one of my favorite interpretations of the Dark Knight. I feel that the young charge that Bruce Wayne has taken under his wing and entrusted to carry the Batman mantle has no real edge to him. To me the original Batman Animated series encapsulated everything that was great about the Batman mythos. It had the perfect setting and the perfect mood. It nailed all of the villains and heroes perfectly and even when they changed things they made them better than the comics had ever been able to. I loved the original series, liked the WB follow up, and was VERY lukewarm about Batman Beyond when it premiered.

Yes you may hate me for saying it but it just didn't gel for me.

I missed the cape and I missed the attitude. I missed the,"striking fear into the hearts of evildoers everywhere." I felt that Terry wasn't scary enough and that he wasn't as tough as he could be. I felt that Batman should be a badass with a take no prisoners kind of feel to him and Beyond didn't capture that for me. To me the kid was a wannabe and the criminals he fought were NEVER scared of him. He had no great Rogues Gallery and his villians were all lame subpar 70's Marvel Comics villain ripoffs. And the teen angst thing was NOT Batman.

In other words: I felt if they wanted to do Spiderman than that's what they should have done.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't HATE it. It just didn't MAKE me want to watch it like the other show did. It just wasn't BATMAN.

So now you're thinking that I hated Return of the Joker, right? You're thinking I'm going to rip this Batman Beyond flick a new a-hole, right? I can almost imagine all the talkbackers clicking their mouse on the talkback button getting ready to burn me like little ol' Joan of Ark...

Well, guess what people?

YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!

I will sum this Batman Beyond video feature in one word:

AWESOME!!!!!!

This movie really takes the Batman Beyond idea EXACTLY where it needed to go from the beginning. It brings back that edge, that spirit that makes Batman what he is. This is a TRUE life and death adventure that pushes all of the characters to the next level of where they needed to go.

Not only that but it answers questions. A lot of questions. And in answering those questions it gives a whole new understanding to the Bruce Wayne and Barbra Gordon characters. Why there is so much bitterness and resentment between them in the Batman Beyond reality?

In this tale you feel that there are stakes. That something is going to happen that will change the way these people live forever. And it does happen and it's all because of the return of possibly the greatest supervillain of all time. You already knew it by the title but let me tell you: The Joker is BACK!

And he is not in a good mood.

If you always felt that the Joker in the cartoon could never reach the level of pure homicidal mania that he achieved in THE KILLING JOKE or A DEATH IN THE FAMILY you were wrong. The Joker in this video is out and out scary! He is playing for keeps. He's here for revenge and he's going to get it. In short: he's here to KILL people.

And when he comes back he brings a whole slew of baggage with him. A past that Bruce Wayne would just as soon not see revealed. There are revelations about the past of this series that are truly shocking. The things that occur in the flashback sequence will break your heart. The Joker went all out here and what occurred to Batman and his crew as result was just as tragic as when he killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Batgirl, and murdered Comissioner Gordon's wife. Quite honestly I was blown away. I had no idea they would go this far in an American mainstream cartoon. But they did and it's haunting.

But the wonderful thing about this is the fact that when the Joker makes his return he becomes, in effect, the reason why Terry will become the one, true Batman of the future. The Joker is the catalyst for tragedy but like in all great dramatic pieces the tradgedy actually makes the characters GROW. After the Joker's visit to this future Gotham none of its residents will ever be the same.

I feel that the screenwriter really outdid himself with this story. The first thing that impressed me the most is that it really is a mystery. Who is this Joker? Is he the real deal? Is he a clone? A robot? I'm not telling but I will tell you that when you find out the real answers I doubt you'll be disappointed. And what's truly great about the screenplay is that it leaves you guessing at every corner. You have no real idea what's happening or what's going to happen. You're going for a ride and theysure as hell make sure you'll enjoy it when you get to your final destination.

The animation is well done too. The colors seem to be much brighter and the fluidity of movement in someplaces is beautiful to behold. Of course, some of the stuff is a bit stiff in places but all in all this thing is really gorgeous to look at. And the character design! I really loved the look of the Joker's new posse. They absolutely fit in with what a bunch of goons working for the Joker in the future would look like.

But what really stood out for me amongst all the technical stuff? Mark Hammil. Let me just say that if they had an Oscar for voice over work it would have to go to him. His voice stuff is truly masterful. For all you people who think that voice over stuff is just showing up and talking into a mike you are wrong. It IS acting. You have to get into the character and BE that person almost as much as if you were doing it in front of the camera. The michrophone lies just as little as the camera does and Hammil IS the Joker in this film. He gives him a life and vibrance and horror that few other voice actors could. He is a main part of why this video is the greatness it is and I hope he gets real credit for it.

All in all this Batman Beyond movie is fantastic and it makes me more than a bit sad that this may be the last season for it when it FINALLY seemed like it was going to hit its stride. Hopefully it will be a huge success and give the suits at the WB an excuse to make many more episodes because after this I, who wasn't so keen on Batman Beyond, WANT to see more. I'm converted!

So in the trilogy that are the Batman animated films the order of greatness is this:

1) Batman: Mask of the Phantasm

2) Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

3) Batman: Sub Zero

So that's it. One last thing, though. If you are a parent I must advise you that some of the scenes in this are VERY intense. I was actually shocked (and I am a fully grown adult) by some of the stuff they showed. So if you have a kid under maybe ten years old you might want to watch it before you get it for them. I'm NOT a fan of censorship of ANY kind but I think you parents should know so that none of you can blame Batman when your psycho eight year old knifes another kid at the K-Mart.

Anyway, I think I can hear a woman trapped under a burning car...

I better go. Duty calls.

Until next time.

superhero.

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  • Sept. 18, 2000, 2:41 p.m. CST

    that's a fucking good review!

    by Ashen Shugar

    Almost no spoiler, although superhero tells a lot of things. Great job man! And I'm first...So what more do I need to say?

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 2:45 p.m. CST

    YAHOO!

    by BurninBullwinkle

    Damn skippy! I'm so happy they didn't tone down this flick. Oh PLEASE GOD make the WB suits see clear to establishing a direct to video series of Batman and Superman now that the series is "on hiatus". Amen.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 2:54 p.m. CST

    WHEN!!!!

    by Munchausen

    When does RETURN OF THE JOKER release???

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Damn right!

    by waynehead

    Does it sound like Bruce Wayne's gonna bite it to anyone else? I think he was getting at that with all of the 'tragedy' stuff. But that was one helluva review, superhero. Keep 'em coming!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I'll check it out

    by Celedhring

    I've always thought that Batman Beyond was a lame series with a lame concept (reminded me of that lousy "2050" Marvel comics). But after reading this review I'll check it out (I was going to do it anyway, heck THE JOKER is in that one...) Anyway, anybody knows anything about that live-action project? WB seemed that wanted to give up Batman 5 on favor of this one, something I didn't like at all...

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Manic anticipation!

    by derrickfish

    Wow. A great review. (Even though it did'nt quench my evil need for life-sucking spoilers. Ah well) Does anyone know if there's any footage of it anywhere online. A REAL trailer or something! I'm getting antsy!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Enough kidding around...

    by silentjay

    The joker is one sadisitic fuck in this movie...

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:11 p.m. CST

    wow.

    by grammarcop

    finally, a well-written review. harry, moriarty, and the rest of the dorks ought to take note.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    wow.

    by grammarcop

    finally, a well-written review. harry, moriarty, and the rest of the dorks ought to take note.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Re: WHEN!!!!-- October 24, 2000

    by Jeebs

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0790749416/qid=969309320/sr=1-/103-7973597-2030221 GOD!! I can't wait B-{{{{{

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Return of the Joker, eh?

    by Russell Hammond

    That title reminds me about the time that Keith Moon came back from the dead. It happened back in 1987. I was over at C.C deVille's house, watching Berry Gordy's The Last Dragon with Keith Richards, Billy Idol, George Michael, and Meat Loaf. I was busy smoking up a storm, while George was in the bathroom, "freshening up". Meanwhile, Keith and Billy became entangled in a deadly spork-fight,trying to determine who exactly was the ugliest asshole in rock N roll. Ol'Meaty was eating pizza.... his 47th pie that night. Then, without preamble, the rotting corpse of Keith Moon lept through my window! After promptly shitting myself, I lept up to embrace my idol. However, Moon was busy cracking open C.C's skull, digging for brains. Enraged that there was not a single trace of gray matter left in that Aerosol-imbued skull, Mooney attacked Keith and made him age another 10 years (not a difficult task, i can assure you). After 2 hours of hilarous hijinks, George stuck a 15 inch dildo up Mooney's ass and chucked him into the pool. I've never seen him since, although Jim Morrison popped in last weeks to wish me well. Maybe I should take Jimmy Page's advice and lay off of the Necromancy.... All this and more to appear on Russell Hammond: Behind the Music!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 5:07 p.m. CST

    does anyone know when this comes out in Australia??

    by baff

    holy shit this sounds fine!! this is my guess. this has been done before, i know it was lois clark with lex luthors retrn so it is hardly original but here it goes: harlequin has been this pathetic obsessed love sick idiot all these years in this dingy little hole trying to revive jokers body. she finally does it (thru cryogenics or cloning or somethin) and baddabing baddaboom he is back and laughin all the way! i have only seen one ep of BB so i dunno much; have they hinted at somthing goin on between bruce wayne and barbera gordan?? thatd make dick grayason get pissed off id imagine! there are lots of rumours that all them robins will be back in this flick as well. so many character and loose ends to tie up. are they gonna do it all in this 80minute movie (if that)?? i am very jazzed about although not really a fan of BB. baff

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I just had a bad feeling (Possible Spoiler)...

    by JimJim Binks

    If they kill off Bruce I'm gonna be pissed. I love the bitter old Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond. I'm pretty sure its gonna be Jim Gordon thats killed in the flashback sequence. It would explain why Barbara is so bitter towards Bruce in the future. One more thing, I'm gonna be pissed if the last shot of the movie is the new Batman watching the sun rise, or set. Don't know why, the thought of something like that happening makes me sick though.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 6:20 p.m. CST

    This Movie's gonna kick the @$$!

    by X-Girls

    I can't wait. I'm in love with what I heard up there. An adult animated batman set in the future written by the best of the best. It bothers me that the Joker has a green face, I hope they didn't give him a glider... but still who gives ? The movie will kick ass when is it comin' out? On video, right?unfortunate

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Hamill rules

    by Heir

    Not crazy about Star Wars, but Hamill IS the Joker- superb, genius, a star gone nova. Let's hope the industry sees this, that old kid deserves an award!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Bring it ON!

    by superninja

    I'm always up for a macabre Batman tale by Dini's team!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Excellent!!

    by Hiram099

    Congratulations SuperHero, this is a great review, and I can

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 7:54 p.m. CST

    BATMAN BEYOND

    by Batman_9

    Oh Man! I can't wait! I am not a big fan of "the new Batman" either, but after reading that I am so excited! I can't believe we will finally see what happened with the rest of the "Bat-Team!" I never should have doubted Paul and that other guy! I will be buying this film, even before I see it!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 8:16 p.m. CST

    ARRGH! STRAIGHT TO VIDEO!

    by Hinesy

    I absolutely hate Pokemon. Pokemon shit-ass movies get the royal treatment from Warner Bros. while the Batman Animated moveis get the shaft. Pokemon occupies nearly every time slot during the week and on Saturday mornings while we get ONE new regular Batman show (not that I don't appreciate Beyond, but we all want to see the real deal.) Since it moved to the WB it improved in every area EXCEPT for the fact that we see it next to fucking NEVER! This movie deserves to be shown in a theater. The last three live action movies should have gone to video if you ask me. These guys should be recognized for their achievements in restoring dignity and greatness to Batman. If only they could do a Dark Night Returns animated movie and release it THEATRICALLY. Shit, I'd trade in Matrix 2 and 3, Episode II and Lord of the rings to see that.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 8:41 p.m. CST

    VIDEO, SCHMIDEO!!!

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    When's this bad boy comin' out on DVD?! Come on, give it up, 'cause I'm there the second it does!!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 9:20 p.m. CST

    by darthpablo

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 9:25 p.m. CST

    This film will suck because I don't know anything about it or ho

    by U.R. Pretentious

    On second thought, this movie will rock because I've never read the script, or seen the film, and the only real information I have to go on is a review that a second rate Sherlock Holmes villain did for a pseudo-friend, and someone whose review doesn't really give any sort of new information other than what's been rehashed. I've only seen the teaser, and the poster, but that's enough for me to know this movie will rule the fucking Earth, because the Joker is back, and he's green! GREEN! Mark Hammil is a God because he was in SW so anything he does is obviously a goldmine! So is Dini, Timm, and Burnett! They're all Gods because they get the characters, and know what the true fans want! This movie will rule the fucking Earth because I know every minute detail of the Batman series' and the comics, and other than Batman, I only collect the most obscure, difficult to find underground comics and music that no one has heard of. This movie will be video-store Gold, just like BATMAN: SUBZERO. Why? Beause I'm a film geek, and I nitpick.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 9:28 p.m. CST

    batman beyond dvd

    by darthpablo

    Is there going to be a DVD release? I'm not a big fan of BB but from that review, it might be worth a shot. Batman has to be potrayed in a darker light than what Hollywood is used to vomitting out. From the sound of it,this animated feature just might hit the mark.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I thought this was supposed to be a real movie?

    by Eyegore

    Oh well, since it's another of these lame badly drawn batman cartoons, it sucks donkey balls like the rest of the batman animated crap.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Will someone PLEEEEUZE riddle me this....

    by TallScott

    Will someone please tell me why in the Wide Wide World of Sports that the Batman Beyond movie is going stright to video but Warner Brothers put the Pokemon 2001 movie in the theaters (..I know i know its the money stupid!)

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 4:50 a.m. CST

    So, what's it rated?

    by Kodani-kun

    Good to hear an AMERICAN animated film, not just anime, will go the extra distance to include some real edgy content and deal with serious mature themes, about time damnit. I'd just like to know what's it rated so I can get an idea of how extreme it might be. PG? PG-13? I doubt R, but wouldn't that be nice. By the way, the toy line is out now which seems to include classic Batman, classic Bruce, new Batman, and of course 'ol smiley himself, but guess what? Despite what's seen on the poster, the figure's got a white face! Which leads me to conclude that A. Joker's not really green and someone screwed the art or B. These are lame rehashes of previously released figures 'cause those lazy bastards at Kenner didn't feel like mak'n new ones. Most likely the latter, but we shall see. Lastly, if this film is as marvelous as some claim it to be, WHY OH WHY THE @!%# IS IT NOT BEING SHOWN IN THEATERS? Screw Box-Office earnings, this couldn't have cost much to make. God I'm sick of cartoon-crap fests like Pokemon being shoved down kid's throats while great art like this is doomed for the $3.99 bargain bin at Blockbuster. Justice will never be served, that is all.....

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Warner Brothers does it all for the nookie....

    by XTheCrovvX

    Ok, maybe not the nookie...but they're definitely some money grubbing assholes...they have some great quality stuff under their wing, then shoots itself in the ass by not using it right...i remember when The Matrix was about to get released....yes, they gave it a few commercials, but they absolutely screwed the film when promoting it, then jumped on the bandwagon when they saw how much people liked it...Then, getting closer to the subject at hand, i remember Mask of the Phantasm getting ZERO publicity, then they scratched their heads wondering why the hell it didnt make any money, despite it being one of the best Batman flicks ever...Sub-Zero, i can understand, it was good, but it worked best for me on video...but the way this is sounding, Return of the Joker DESERVES a shot in theaters...why then are we stuck begging for video, and new episodes of the TV show, when the ugly beast named Pokemon gets on three times a day?? Greedy bastards....either way, October 24th, i NEED this movie...and people, we need to support this movie, and show those leeching assholes at the WB that their audience is not entirely game boy touting brats with pikachu fetishes...Revolution is my name...

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Flash III - Revenge Of The Trickster

    by The Brain

    Anyone who likes Mark Hamill's voice talent as the Joker should check out the above film. He plays the role of The Trickster complete with alter-ego, high pitched Joker-esqe voice and harlequin lycra outfit (from what I can remember). It's good in a cheesy Saturday morning for the kids kind of way. For the more obscure Mark Hamill film try Mutronics (rubber monsters do battle) directed by some 80's fx guru, I think he went on to do Guyver but I could be wrong.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Joker Isn't Green...

    by Jon Zuckerman

    in this!!!I saw it as well, and it is probally the best Batman movie yet made. The flashback sequence to the last Batman/Joker confrontation is the greatest I've seen,live action or animated. I was very suprised as I'm not really a Batman Beyond fan, but I really enjoyed this.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Animation- the ignored art form

    by Terry_1978

    Seriously, if the review of this movie is accurate, then it proves without a doubt that animated characters in movies can evoke deep emotion within their audience. Hollywood has always been hesitant about releasing dramatic animated movies and tv shows for the mere fact that animation in the US has a stigma of being just for children or for the sake of comedy. I really hope Return of the Joker gets the rave reviews it deserves(though as someone mentioned earlier, straight to video usually means death, and releasing this in theatres would truly expose more people to it). The last animated flick to be nominated for best picture was Beauty and the Beast, about 10 years ago.....I'm not saying Batman Beyond is 100% Oscar worthy, but like Spawn, the original Batman series, etc...it's more than worthy of national acclaim.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 10:42 a.m. CST

    One more thing....

    by Terry_1978

    When I went to see Titan A.E. a few months back, the trailers were for nothing but Pokemon and Rugrats....why in God's name were trailers made for little kids put on an adult film? As soon as I saw those enormous flashes of Pikachu and Chuckie, I knew that the people who attach trailers to films truly are morons....they attach the trailers based on the genre of the movie...but all animation is not one and the same.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Batman and Superman movie???

    by IrishJoe

    Was there really a movie like this. Im presuming animated well of course its animated but when did it come out. What is the deal with it. Also i never got to see batman:subzero over here any one want to send me a copy. ill be your best friend.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 11:54 a.m. CST

    World's Finest is the best hands down.

    by superninja

    It's better than Phantasm or Sub Zero. Romance, action, mystery...it's go it all! I'd like to see more Superman/Batman crossovers, but I guess that's out of the question now.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Avi Arad is sure getting mileage off this Marvel casting hoopla.

    by superninja

    The guy is quoted nearly every week now, commenting on pre-production and casting for Blade, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, etc. Does he have ANY control over these elements, or is he just being a publicity hound?

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Better not be Bruce

    by Rictus

    Well I tend to concur with the general belief that someone is gonna die. I think both in the flashback and in the future "reality". I dunno about Commish Gordon, while a definite possibility its to easy and to close to the plot for the original series episode where Barbara goes into a coma and dreams of a future where she is dead and Commish is hunting Batman for revenge (the one that brought NightWing back to Batman's aid) It just seems to me that it would be to close to comfort to that plot. . I am thinking more along the lines of one of the Robins, I think one of 2 things, either Dick gets axed (I rarely watch the show so if he has shown up in the BB storyline then forgive my ignorance) and Barbara and he had a thing going on, Batman, for one reason or another, could not or would not save him and he ended up dying. Barbara is pissed at Bruce and quits the team, joins the police force and rises to commisioner, Or the younger Robin, forget his name at the moment, gets killed, Batman tries to save him, cannot, he dies. Barbara secretly or openly always opposed such a young child as Batman's side kick and took him under her wing like a younger brother, she is destroyed by Mini-Robin's death and blames Batman, see above possibility for rest. Another posibility is totally different and less likely. Barbara marries at some point in the past, Hubby either gets caught in the crossfire of a Batman/Joker brawl and is killed or Hubby turns into a feakish (or was always) supervillan that Batman lets die or can't save. As for future characters, Bruce Wayne, while a shocker, can't happen, the death of BW at the hands of The Joker would be insulting to everything the series/Comic has stood for, It would be a travesty along the lines of Stan Lee's "New Superman" GI Joe look bullshit. I don't care if Terry is the "New" Batman, he will never be Batman much like Dick Grayson is the only true Robin. Sidekicks may be interchangable and killing one off is dramatic and provides a turning point for the main characters, Killing the original main character, even if he has been relegated to the supporting cast can't happen. It will be a grave insult to the Batman "mythos" to allow Bruce Wayne to die at the hands of the Joker, it negates everything Batman/Bruce Wayne fought for, it will basically make his whole life a futile pursuit of justice only to have him discover in the end that evil never can be truely destroyed. Dramtic and Poingant maybe but I for one will be truly insulted if they let BW die. Terry is in no way ready for a solo gig, it is way to much of a burden for him. Even if Bruce left him everything in his will, he has no guiding force, no "inner voice", no direction. Bruce was orphaned at a young age true, but he always had Alfred, Alfred was basically young Bruce's father figure and guided him and molded him into the man he became. Bruce has taken on the Alfred mantle with young Terry, while Terry has a mother, he has no father and Bruce has taken on the father figure role. He is needed for any future growth of the character. I think we are looking at the death of either a member of Terry's family (mother or brother) or maybe Barbara Gordon (which while little better than killing BW is more feasible since BG always was a supporting character) or possible one of Terry's school friends or harem of female admirers will be taking a long dirt nap. Something personal to Terry, I think we may see a serious love interest or an old flame becoming serious and the Joker putting an end to that. While reminiscent of SpiderMan's Gwen Stacey storyline, its been something like 30 years since that particular episode graced the pages of a Spidey comic (I own a near mint condition of it :) ) and I think it would make for an OK plot. I mean how many of us would not want to tear the person who killed our first love limb from limb and beat him to death with his own appendages. I see it as massive motivation for Terry to go on a blood hunt for the Joker with Bruce trying to keep him from destroying himself in the process, much like he did with Dick Grayson. My question, shocking, or a variation of, is used liberally in the review. How are we going to be shocked? Violence, blood, gore, nudity? I mean are we talking Anime quality shock value or just shocking for an American Cartoon? Also is it shock for the sake of shock or does it fit into the story and enhance the telling of the story. Part of the reason I dislike most Anime is the gratuitous violence and blood that seems pointless to the plot. It reminds me of some animated Commando (Arnie movie). I mean is it necessary to see a mans guts spill out after he is killed with a katana? I like violence and action as much as the next guy but make it have a point. Mindless violence is ok in a John Woo movie, but thats because John Woo is an artist in the way its presented, its like some kind of morbid ballet. But blood just for the sake of blood bores me. Now Nudity, thats always welcome in American animation, seems like we get all twisted around, the naked human form is evil and should not be seen, but a man getting decapitated or disemboweled is ok. Oh well.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 1:44 p.m. CST

    The HAM in Hamill.

    by Scott Ridley

    On a recent talkback I dared to to suggest that that mister Hamill's joker was basically wildly over-acted crap, a stance I'm sticking to.What amazed me was the level of venom and defensive anger that got thrown back at me on the talkback afterwards.Why does everyone think this guy is so good?I think there is some kind of collective guilt going on because his movie career bellyed up straight after 'Star Wars'.Would anyone go and see a live action Batman movie with him as the Joker?I'm sure he's a nice guy and all that but I'd doubt it.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 1:47 p.m. CST

    _____The Official trailer says OCTOBER 31st....

    by IAmJacksUserID

    ...dammit

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 3:11 p.m. CST

    batman beyond: return of the joker

    by justaj

    One of the things that annoyed me (and everyone else i'm sure) most about the cartoon was how cryptic bruce was about his past. Finally we'll get some answer. I'm curious about what people think happened to Dick, Tim, and Gordon. So far the idea that one of the robins became the Joker has intrigued me most. Now as a loyal Batman fan i would probably never watch another batman beyond if they did that, but that really would have been a fantastic plot. From the little research i've just done (and its not anywhere near over) on the web I can draw two assumptions. Dick lives, Tim doesn't. http://www.comicology.com/f1joker.html The last paragraph states: "We finally explain what happened to Tim," said Timm. "And there's a line in the movie that says something about what happened to Dick," he added tantalizingly, "but he doesn't actually make an appearance, because we might want to save that for the sequel." Its the 'he doesn't make an appearance' that leads me to believe Dick is still alive. And its just the tone of the comment about Tim that leads me to believe he dies. Oh and someone mentioned that they thought Bruce dies in Return of Joker. From what i've read, it sounds as though he just gets injured. But i do think that in the flashback battle of batman vs joker, that is where he either a)whatever caused his heart condition occurs or b) he uses a gun for the first time. back to hunting... -A

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Which are movies

    by Heinrich

    Someone please list the actual MOVIEs of the animated Superman & Batman. I know about Mask of the Phantasm, but Amazon does not make it real easy to know what is a movie and what is just collected eps.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 11:10 p.m. CST

    ARRRGHGHH!! Leave it to the WB to #$%^ my world.

    by superninja

    Daily Variety reports 13 EPs ordered of a NEW Superman series -- where Clark is 15 YEARS OLD! Oh, I do SO not want to see that Smallville $hit with Lana. What is wrong with continuing the current Superman? Why are you trying to copy Batman Beyond? I hate you WB...Why can't we have both? Let Dini & Co. move onto other projects and hire a writing team for the previous projects! Make a 2-hour block on FoxKIDS.

  • Sept. 19, 2000, 11:19 p.m. CST

    The Batman/Superman "film" is called: World's Finest

    by superninja

    It was a straight-to-video release because it was a compilation of three EPs that played on Fox. Here's the addy on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0790736896/qid=969423881/sr=2-1/103-0803519-0984618 *********** It's referred to as The Batman Superman Movie (1998). Order it now. It's the best ever.

  • Sept. 20, 2000, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Where's Aquaman!

    by Cnatch22

    He's such an underrated character in the DC universe.... Ok I'm lying.

  • Sept. 21, 2000, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Kevin Conroy

    by Manos

    I agree with the general consensus that Hamil is the definitive Joker - he's certainly got Nicolson beat, but lets have a cheer for Kevin Conroy. For a lot of years he's been a great Batman. The way he could use his voice to differentiate between Bruce Wayne and the Batman was quite effective. I'm indifferent toward the movies (liked Keeton, sort-of liked Kilmer, hated Clooney). For me, whenever I read a Batman comic or see a Batman poster, I'll hear Conroy's gritty voice. Thanks, Kevin, for a lot of years of Great Batman.

  • Sept. 22, 2000, 12:12 p.m. CST

    How the hell did you all do it??

    by Eppy Thatcher

    I just want to know... Where did you all that have seen it get it to see it to review it? I mean... the thing isn't due for release until October, so where did you get a copy? How do I get on that privlaged list of previewers. I already do movie reviews for one of the local rags where I live, how come I don't get these really important things. I'll give up that gig to review the good stuff like a BB flic. HELP!!!!! Oh yeah... to reiterate one of the other poster's questions... does anyone know the rating on this? Based on your reviews to date I'd have to presume PG if not PG-13, but this is direct to video. Any info is good! Thanks All... Eppy Thatcher Devil in Your Heads Vivat Grendel!